Man, 47, Claims He Shot Dead Unarmed Teenager Because He Thought He Had a Gun–Not Because of Loud Rap Music

Louise Boyle, Daily Mail (London), February 11, 2014

A man accused of shooting dead a teenage boy over loud rap music took the stand today in his own defense and claimed that he feared for his life on the night of the attack.

Michael Dunn, 47, is being tried on one count of first-degree murder, three counts of attempted first-degree murder and one count of firing a deadly missile into an occupied vehicle tied to the November 23, 2012 shooting that killed 17-year-old Jordan Davis in Jacksonville, Florida.

Jordan Davis

Jordan Davis

Dunn testified that prior to the shooting, he believed he was in grave danger from the men parked next to him in an SUV. He told jurors: ‘I thought I was going to be killed.’

The software developer also revealed that he said: ”’You’re not going to kill me you son of a b****” and I shot him.’

Dunn added: ‘I had every right of self-defense and I took it.’

Defense attorney Cory Strolla called Dunn as the first witness on Tuesday. Dunn described the night that he and fiancée Rhonda Rouer pulled up at a gas station following his son’s wedding to pick up some wine.

Dunn, dressed in a white shirt, green sweater and tie, choked up during the questioning on Tuesday when he discussed his fiancée and their dog Charlie.

On the night of the fatal gas station shooting, Dunn said the music from a red Dodge Durango parked next to him grew ‘really loud’ after his fiancée went into the store.

‘My review mirror was shaking, my eardrums were vibrating. It was ridiculously loud,’ Dunn said.

‘I said, ”Can you turn that down please?”’ he testified. ‘They turned it off. I said thank you.’

Dunn claimed that the music had not made him angry but described it as ‘rap c***’ and ‘obnoxiously loud’.

The young men in the Durango soon began using expletives, the word ‘cracker’ and then turned the volume back up, Dunn claimed.

‘I start hearing things like F-him and F-that,’ Dunn said. ‘It was mean-spirited.

‘When they turned the music on the second time i wasn’t going to ask them for any more favors again.

‘Now it got ugly. I had no reaction–I’m looking forward and hoping Rhonda comes out [of the store].

‘Now there’s thumping bass and he’s yelling over the bass. I hear ”I should kill that m***********.”’

‘I’m flabbergasted. Now I’m paying attention to what they are saying. Then I hear in a more elevated voice: ”I should f****** kill, that m**********.”’

Dunn added: ‘At this point, I think I should try and deescalate this.’

Dunn then claims that a young man, identified as Jordan Davis, who was seated in the rear of the car, bent down and appeared to pick up something by his feet.

The accused said that at this point, he did not reach for his pistol stored in the glove compartment of his car.

Dunn said Davis ‘came back up and slammed whatever it was against the door’.

He said: ‘I saw sticking above the windowsill about four inches of a barrel. It was a thump I heard against the door. It looked like a 12-gauge or maybe 20-gauge [shotgun].’

Dunn testified: ‘I was in fear for my life and I was stunned. I’ve never been threatened, let alone threatened with a firearm. I was incredulous–I couldn’t believe what I was hearing and seeing.’

The accused said that Davis began to get out of the car and yelled at him: ‘This s*** is going down now.’

Dunn said: ‘This is the point where my death is imminent, he made it very clear what his intentions were. I’ve never been in that position.’

The defense attorney, Cory Strolla, told the jury in his opening statement that Dunn opened fire only after seeing what looked like the barrel of a gun or a lead pipe through the Durango’s back passenger window and that he was acting in self-defense as Davis was about to get out of the car.

Police found no weapon in the Durango after the shooting.

During cross-examination, prosecutor John Guy challenged Dunn’s assertion that he had told his fiancee after the shooting that he thought one of the teens had a gun.

‘You never told the love of your life that those guys had a gun,’ Guy said. ‘Did you?’

Dunn responded: ‘You were not there.’

Guy challenged Dunn on other parts of his story, citing letters Dunn had written from jail and interviews with investigators. The prosecutor said Dunn had told detectives the day after the shooting that it could have been a stick he saw pointing from the vehicle. But Dunn countered he was just suggesting a far-fetched possibility.

Guy also suggested that Dunn was angry because he was being disrespected by a young black man. Dunn responded: ‘I was being threatened, not disrespected.’

The prosecutor also said Dunn had stated in a jailhouse letter that his car was parked so close to the SUV that it would have been hard for him to exit.

Guy said that mean Davis also would have had a hard time getting out of the SUV.

‘Jordan Davis was never a threat to you, was he, Mr. Dunn?’ Guy said.

Dunn responded: ‘Absolutely, he was.’

Dunn admitted that he did not call 911 after the shooting because he was in a ‘panic’ and had ‘tunnel vision’.

Instead, Dunn told the jury that he and Rhonda Rouer had returned to their hotel in Jacksonville, he had taken their dog Charlie out to use the bathroom, ordered a pizza, had a drink and watched some TV.

The 47-year-old said that he was not in a rational state of mind when he made these decisions instead of going to the police.

Dunn said he was looking on his phone for news of a shooting. Guy asked: ‘Did you cry when the news came on and you found out the boy was killed?’

The accused replied: ‘I don’t recall.’

When asked why he did not report the shooting to police the next day–but instead drove two hours home with his dog and his fiancée – Dunn explained: ‘Whether I called that night or 2 weeks later it wasn’t going to change it from self defense to murder.’

He added: ‘It didn’t matter to me that I had killed a 17-year-old boy in self-defense.’

Dunn said that he managed to pull the gun ten times because he was in ‘sheer panic’.

Ronald Davis, the father of a teenager, testified on Monday about his shock and horror after learning of the fatal shooting.

Jurors also learned that Jordan died from a single bullet wound to his chest that severed his aorta.

Dunn fired nine times after getting into an argument with Jordan and his friends over the rap music blasting from their SUV.

The racially-charged case has sparked comparisons to the killing of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman. Jordan was black; Dunn is white.

Mr Davis, Jordan’s father, said he told detectives days after his son’s death that he was horrified to learn of how the boy had died.

‘I think I said at the time that I was shocked that my son was killed,’ Mr Davis said.

Prosecutors had hoped Mr Davis could testify about a conversation he had with the three other teens who were in his son’s SUV at the time of the shooting.

However, legal wrangling by Dunn’s defense meant Mr Davis was able to make only that statement.

Associate medical examiner Stacey Simons testified on Monday that the first bullet that hit Davis in the abdomen likely killed him. The bullet went from his lower right abdomen, into his diaphragm, through his liver and hit his aorta, she said.

‘I believe it would have been fatal within a matter of minutes,’ Simons said.

Under cross-examination, Simons said it was unlikely Davis was standing up when he was shot.

Dunn’s defense attorney, Cory Strolla, had argued in opening statements that Davis had threatened Dunn with a 4-inch knife.

Simons said the bullet appeared to have struck something hard, like a car door, before hitting Davis.

Florida Department of Law Enforcement analyst Sukhan Warf said toxicology tests on Davis showed no signs of drugs or alcohol in his body.

Another law enforcement department analyst, Maria Pagan, testified earlier in the day about the steps Dunn took before shooting the teen, bolstering prosecutors’ contention that he acted with premeditations.

Dunn would have had to remove the gun from its holster, load the chamber with a bullet and then apply six pounds of pressure to fire it, Pagan said.

Dunn fired the gun 10 times, hitting the SUV nine times, and he would have had to pull the trigger every time using more than six pounds of pressure each time, Pagan said.

Pagan answered affirmatively when prosecutor Angela Corey asked, ‘Does that take a conscious effort of the shooter to have a second-round come out?’

The first witness to testify for the defense was Randy Berry, a friend of Dunn. He said he never knew Dunn to be violent. Berry’s wife, Beverly Berry, also testified that she had never seen Dunn with anything but a calm demeanor.

Dunn had been at his son’s wedding before the shooting. Dunn’s ex-wife, Phyllis Molinaro, and son, Chris Dunn, told jurors that Dunn didn’t appear drunk and was in good spirits at the wedding.

The defense attorney also called Davis’ father to ask him what he recalled in the days after the shooting.

‘I think I said at the time that I was shocked that my son was killed,’ Ronald Davis said.

Prosecutors rested their case on Monday. Defense attorney Strolla rested his case on Tuesday.

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  • NeanderthalDNA

    Don’t get me wrong, loud rap music should be justification for shooting people in a perfect world, but…

    Looks like the guy really thought these “teen youfs” were going to kill him. Whatever would make him think that?

    • http://www.amren.com/ Berserker

      Blacks go out of their way to stereotype themselves.
      The yoof’s gangsta portrayal blew up in his face.

      • Oil Can Harry

        Jordan Davis should have blocked the bullet with his giant lips.

    • 1stworlder

      They were listening to the song “I gonna kill ewe modderfracker” so he thought one of them was saying it.

    • LACountyRedneck

      The guy had a few drinks at his son’s wedding reception. If he knows half as much as we do about black society, he likely has also had enough. After a few drinks his balls increase in size, a few brain-cells take some time off, and parked alongside of him is a high output stereo worth twice as much as the Negro filled vibrating (C)rap-blasting automobile. Some words were thrown, he had a gun, ha may or may not have feared for his life. This won’t be as easy as Zimmerman. He’s White, there was no physical attack, and it’s his word against theirs. I wish they had a gun. Best thing to do is avoid dark areas. This guy is going to be spending at least a few years behind bars.

      • diversity

        This guy could have just driven away. His wife testified that he didnt tell her that tthere was a gun in the car and the police didnt find one … HMMM

        • SoulInvictus

          How many times are you going to post the same message?

          • diversity

            as long as ignorant people blame the muder on the victim

          • SoulInvictus

            The moral of the story is
            A. Leave the problem area if at all able (sounds like his wife was still inside during…so could he without leaving her there vulnerable in an apparently crappy part of town, I don’t know.)
            B. Don’t antagonize and threaten a man who is alone in a bad part of town, especially as a group, and not expect him to potentially panic and go into fight or flight mode. It may not end the way you expect.

          • diversity

            A. He was able to leave the “problem area” since he was in a car.
            B. The was no kind of antagonization at all. you cant seriously say that loud music is a threat. Otherwise you cant go to concerts or clubs because some “threatened” hillbilly pulls his gun on you

          • SoulInvictus

            You didn’t watch the testimony. It wasn’t just the music. They got pissed over his polite request for them to turn it down. Then proceeded to loudly debate whether they should “kill this mf”.
            I’ve had similar happen. In mid day traffic, I had a car load of …black youths cut me off. I didn’t so much as give the finger in response as I’d just had a couple of really great bowling scores and blew it off.
            A few minutes later, they were pointing a tech 9 and a snub nose at my head from the next lane over. Why? I guess I was on “their” road.
            Is it any wonder, in the world we live in, and with examples of black on white assault so common, that someone ends up overreacting and shooting.
            You’d have to be naive, ignorant of current events, or just plain stupid not to go on high alert around a group of blacks in a questionable part of town. I never said the guy handled the situation well, but I can completely understand why it escalated to what it did.

          • diversity

            I cant understand why he acted like he did. he could have just driven out. his stay at the gas station would not be more tha n 5 minutes, he can stand the sound of music. In the world we live in with soo much white on black hate crimes there is no wonder that some black people develop hate.

    • diversity

      the music you listen to doesnt justify anything

      This guy could have just driven away. His wife testified that he didnt tell her that tthere was a gun in the car and the police didnt find one … HMMM

    • Young Werther

      That first line, funny as hell.

  • bigone4u

    Black America has placed White America in the position of “kill or be killed.” Growing up, I never thought it would come to this. I was wrong, as kids often are. It has come to this and everyone needs to in advance make up his mind to defend himself or die because blacks love to start stuff. The youfs started it, Mr. Dunn ended it.

    • Jack Burton

      This is just a good example of why black-on-black crime is so high. Blacks are obnoxious, annoying, hostile trolls who provoke everyone around them. It’s perfectly natural to want to harm them.

      • Spartacus

        I barely ever met any, and I still want to hurt them .

        • Shawn_thefemale

          If you will provide me with a bullet proof vehicle, I’ll be happy to take you on a tour of the ghetto known as Atlanta.

        • diversity

          This is just sad. you are a sociopath

      • sbuffalonative

        Exactly. This ‘youth’ was one step away from a confrontation with one of his brothas.

        If attacked, fight back. But in this case, I would have left knowing I’d be seeing his picture in the paper in the future.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        Indeed, I lost count of how many times I was staring at a black or Hispanic punk like the muzzle of a gun, picturing blowing them away. I’ve met a few I wanted to kill with extreme prejudice, but fortunately for them they backed off.

      • Strider73

        If they would confine their murder & mayhem to each other, it would be of little or no consequence, like the antagonists in the old “Spy vs. Spy” comics. Unfortunately they intrude into civilized areas, and then must be dealt with.

    • Ron Cheaters

      It is important to note as Jared Taylor did after the Zimmerman verdict in a video which I can no longer find on youtube.

      That if this situation had happened to any one of us posting here, and our internet posts were submissible in court. We’d be automatically guilty of a hate crime.

      That was a good clear message from JT, I wish he would re-post that message to be clear.

    • diversity

      this is wrong on so many levels

  • Jesse James

    Now they have a real white man to sacrifice for heresy. Don’t put yourself in this position, take your loved ones and go somewhere else. Is this allowing yourself to be run out from someplace you have a right to be? Yes, but when we have a legal system, government and media that you know will do everything they can to destroy you it is time to face reality. Even if you win the court case they bankrupt you and probably cause you to lose your job and have to move. I am not saying you shouldn’t defend yourself but it damned well better be a clear case of self defense. Could this guy have told his fiancee just to skip the wine and go? Probably.

    • Who Me?

      From the article, it sounds like his fiance was already in the store when the kids pulled up, so he was basically stuck there until she came out with the wine.

      • diversity

        His wife testified that he didnt tell her that tthere was a gun in the car and the police didnt find one …

    • Larry Klein

      Society is too diverse, impossible to always avoid black people, unless you consider going to the gas station “looking for trouble .”

      • Jesse James

        Look I understand what your are saying but you know as well as I do that any sensible person picks and chooses where to shop based on levels of diversity and the “feel” of a place. I choose which box stores, grocery stores and gas stations that I frequent based on not just on the normal consumer criteria but also by levels of diversity and potential threat. This may vary by time of day and from season to season. A place that is perfectly OK for a quick stop during the winter at 10 AM in the morning during the week may not be OK during the spring at 7 PM Friday night. I am pretty certain the majority of whites in this country have a similar process. We don’t shop much at the Dollar General that is closest to our house and on the way home because it is run and mostly patronized by blacks. I have asked my wife to NEVER stop there by herself. We do stop in sometimes during the day together or I might stop in to get something when I am by myself but only if I am carrying. So yes, I do think that stopping at some gas stations at some times and places to be “looking for trouble”.

        • SoulInvictus

          I’m tired of this rationale. We have retreated and white flighted until we’ve completely ceded some of our most beautiful cities. I was recently in Detroit, and I could see the remnants of what it once was. If you allow yourself to be intimidated and driven out, you’re enabling more of it. Stand your ground, literally.
          I’ve taken the opposite stance. I’ve armed myself. I’ve armed my girl. Soon I’ll be teaching my daughters how to shoot and self defense classes. They won’t respect anything but brute force, and the above is why we have the reputation of prey and “dey pus***s”. Break the stereotype and the word spreads.
          One of my favorite moments was riding through the hood with a Marine buddy, in a white Mustang, top down and blaring Duran Duran of all things (whitest thing I had on tap). Nothing like seeing the facial reactions to two unafraid white boys and White Lines blaring lol. Both of us legally armed to the teeth. ^_________^

          • Jesse James

            I have physically fought and stared blacks down more than most people but if you want to go OK Corral on every guy playing his music too loud and being generally rude you will just end up just like this guy in jail at best. What is the point? I live in the South and have most of my life and understand blacks as well an anyone. Pick your own battles, you have your line in the sand and I have mine. Once walking around town I faced off against two black guys that were looking for trouble, I didn’t have to say a word or draw my 1911, we just stared at each other a bit. One guy was mouthing off but his buddy didn’t like something about my stance so he grabbed his buddy by the arm and they turned and walked away. It was touch and go for a minute but I defended my woman and we both finished our walk and went about our business. So I do understand what you are talking about and I do agree with it up to a point.

            Have you ever driven the interstates around Atlanta? I commuted through that crap everyday for eight years. If you get in a smash up derby or a gun battle with every idiot who cuts you off, shoots a bird or has his music playing too loud (white, black, brown, yellow or purple) you wouldn’t make it through a week of daily commutes without ending up in jail or on a slab. Same principle applies, draw your line in the sand but just make sure it is worth defending with everything you have…or just skip it and go home another night for dinner with your family.

          • SoulInvictus

            It’s the larger point. I agree it is inconsequential on an individual basis, trivial. But as a whole, when we’re content to avoid the corner store near our house until you’re forced to completely relocate to escape the crime, well then its starting point was ceding an inch to begin with.
            Also, as with this guy or even Zimmerman, how many whites were emboldened by that? To see that you could make a stand, or even be aggressive and Win.
            If it’s to be war, then so be it. There will be martyrs, Paul Kersey type heroes, and there will be casualties. We aren’t in the position the Afrikaners were, yet. Now is the time to organize, to be seen in groups, and be prepared to answer blow for blow.

            “Have you ever driven the interstates around Atlanta?”
            Yes, I used to live there. Well on the nicer north side of things anyway. I actually had far more grief living in Montgomery than I ever saw in Atlanta, even when downtown.

          • Jesse James

            I agree on the larger point, it is why Mexicans usually drive blacks out of their neighborhoods and whites just run. The problem for the individual white with the the desire to resist at this point is that we no longer have the racial solidarity where you can expect your neighbors to support you. Blacks and Mexicans don’t give each other up to the police. They frequently utilize jury nullification to support their race. Most whites in America will be the first to call 911 and report you – even if you are trying to defend them. I have a very strong feeling that we are all going to get more action sooner and harder than we could ever want no matter what we do now. We will need smart and strong fighters then, men of character and ability. Don’t waste your life on some BS skirmish, save it for the real battles to come. You want to help your people? Make friends with the men of your community and start forging those bonds of brotherhood and trust. We will need them.

          • SoulInvictus

            We should grab a beer if you’re still in the GA area.

          • Jesse James

            Sounds good to me.

          • SoulInvictus

            Just contact me at the email address I edited into the original message.
            Sounds like there are more than just us interested. Good. :)

          • Jesse James

            GON forum JamesK, you can reach me via PM over there.

          • SoulInvictus

            Reread the original message above.

          • Brian

            I would be interested in meeting with any fellow ATL denizens as well.

          • SoulInvictus

            Reread my original message above.

          • r j p

            When I first moved to Chicago I needed to use a pay phone.
            I didn’t know I was in Cabrini-Green.
            “Rebel flag” plate on the front bumper.
            Metallica blaring from the speakers behind the seat.
            I don’t think they knew what to do.

          • SoulInvictus

            Hilarious. I like seeing the reactions when they’re on the receiving end. Once I was meeting up with the same friend after he got back from drill. Two homies rolled up on us in their ghetto sled in the parking lot. We were cautiously ignoring them while continuing to talk (funny enough we by chance happened to be discretely checking out our latest mutual firearm purchases) when they start in, “Hey white boy!.
            When I stood up, pulled my shirt tight over the outline of my S&W and my friend was palming his behind the seat of his car, suddenly the tune change changed to a profusely apologetic one and they proceeded to try and sell us a stolen radio… non-cop whites that have a backbone are such a reality shaking encounter for them that it’s always worth a laugh.

          • LHathaway

            The world your describing is ‘jerry springer’ nation, with the only ones they ever get tough on are other whites. . .

          • SoulInvictus

            I agree completely… read any of my past posts and the vocabulary alone should let you know that isn’t how I’d like it to be. I’d much rather an affluent, futuristic 50’s America. Shakespearean theater, fairs and malls that aren’t overrun with chaotic hordes, sexy women on the nose art of our planes, rocket ships to Mars… it’s all part of my Mad Men fantasy. ;)
            I didn’t make this world, I just live in it. Or to paraphrase Nietzsche, When you stare into the ghetto, the ghetto stares back into you.
            Our culture has been staring into it, admiringly even, for a long time…

          • diversity

            So detroit being mismanaged is the fault of the black population …

            Wow you are so cool driving around. but what this was exactly the same what the black kids at the gas station did. except they werent marines. And they werent armed

          • SoulInvictus

            Yes, Detroit being mismanaged is the fault of it’s majority population. Who else is to blame other than the people running and living in it?

            You missed the entire point of the car story.

          • diversity

            You missed the point of the story. you say if white people do it its alright (people that are known for racism in america) but if black people do it (people that are know for being oppressed) it is bad and a threat

            otherwise please explain

            I am here to understand

          • SoulInvictus

            No. You’re not.
            Read SBPDL for half an hour. Then revisit this case and you’ll understand why this kind of thing is going to become increasingly common.

          • diversity

            educate yourself from unbiased sources. just a hint

          • SoulInvictus

            Violent crime stats, personal real life experiences around black people and black cities, endless factual accountings of black violence, rise of black mob violence…
            I’ve got all the education and experience I need on this subject. And I’m Far more tolerant than most here as you’d see in my posts.
            Your bias is clear, and if reality contradicts your egalitarian fantasy, then you won’t believe your own lying eyes.
            I’ve been a lefty before, I’m not any more. That isn’t for no reason.

          • diversity

            Biased experience. I am not biased i think evvery human is good unitl he does something bad. i mad this experience with black people and white people.
            I am not left. i am liberal (there is a difference)
            Smoking marijuana is no bad thing, we could spend the money that is used for preosecution for more important things, since the drug does no harm, or less than alcohol.
            Free love is important, as are LGBT rights.

            This is not growing up what you did. this is picking up ignorance

        • Jack Burton

          It’s not always that simple, lots of blacks infest formerly White areas now.

          I had some stupid Negro actually back into my parked truck while I was waiting for someone in a White shopping area. My truck physically moved forward from the contact. So I get out and this sociopathic moron is just going to leave, I tell him to stop. He denies it all, typical sub-human pathological liar you see on the Cops TV show. Then some dumb White liberal bitch walks past me and says “he didn’t hit you.” Typical, it’s not just one moron I have to deal with but a multitude. So he gets irate and continues to deny it all.

          Lucky for him there was no damage, so I tell him he’s a terrible driver, should have his license suspended permanently and try not to hit anyone else on his way home.

          A normal person who has even a minute degree of intelligence, self-awareness and empathy would have admitted their guilt, apologized, felt remorse and offered to pay for any damages. That’s not the case with blacks. Your typical black is a low-IQ, narcissistic sociopath, some are just more violent than others.

          • SoulInvictus

            For this reason, I Always park far, far away from the other cars at Walmart. I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen one swing wide a heavy ghetto sled door. Bone crunching scrape against the neighboring car ensues. And then they stroll on in oblivious or blissfully unconcerned. Black privilege in action.
            I had it happen when I was like 16 while I was actually sitting in my car and upon catching my nasty stare. the fat old cow was like, Oh, did I hit yo car?
            Knowing she wouldn’t have insurance, I just said F it, left, and chalked it up to lesson learned.
            My favorite was when my prized sports car got rear ended, and the cop knowingly let the ghetto chick leave before telling me she had no insurance. I was so pissed I barely thought to ask, “so you let her drive away, to hit someone else with no coverage? Ok, genius.”
            He didn’t care for that. That made two of us.

          • LHathaway

            Someone who has a minute degree of ‘intelligence, self-awareness and empathy’ would not have responded to this incident by saying to the other guy, “I tell him he’s a terrible driver, should have his license suspended permanently and try not to hit anyone else on his way home”. It IS jerry springer nation. . .

      • Katherine McChesney

        I question his taste. Seriously, what kind of wine can be bought at a gas station? Ripple, MD20/20?

  • MekongDelta69

    This is the perfect description of the old adage, “I’d rather be tried by 12, than carried by 6.”

    Except that was said at a different time, in a different world.

    Today, it’s, “If you so much as even give a black person an evil look, you will either be carried by 6 or convicted by 12.”

    • Jack Burton

      There’s a fine line between murder and self-defense, you have to know the rules of the game if you’re going to play it at that level for sure.

      If you’re not the typical submissive liberal who apologizes for everything, and you actually are a White man with a backbone who will speak up and defend himself, you have to know beforehand all of the angles and the law.

      The system is stacked against you, White man.

  • sbuffalonative

    This one isn’t as clear cut to me as the Zimmerman case. Trayvon clearly initiated the attack. If you start trouble, expect trouble.

    Unless this guy can prove he was threatened, he’ll likely be convicted.

    I can’t can’t stand loud rap music (or any music) in a public space that someone decided they wanted to share with everyone. It’s obnoxious behavior. Same with talking loud on cellphones in enclosed spaces. But I’m not going to jail over loud music or obnoxious people. Defending myself or my family is another matter.

    • Jesse James

      This is also my position.

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        Shooting a loudmouth on a cell phone at a movie seems reasonable to me. When I am paying to see a movie, I don’t want to listen to some idiot’s “important” conversation. I’m delighted the idiot is dead, because at least now he has shut the heck up, but sorry the shooter is facing charges.

        Whenever I am sitting near someone chatting on a mobile phone, I always join in the conversation. It completely infuriates them.

    • Jack Burton

      It’s not just obnoxious it’s an act of aggression and psychological warfare. Our military uses it in that capacity, such as in Operation Nifty Package.

      The main difference being that Zimmerman was actually attacked and he has just cause to use lethal force. This man did not, he was not physically attacked, just verbally threatened.

      • sbuffalonative

        Playing loud music (or any music in public) is an act of territorial display. It’s a challenge to others; as you say, an act of aggression and display of dominance. It’s not overt like attacking someone but it is a challenge.

        But it’s not an immediate, direct threat. It’s a trap to see who will challenge him for territorial control and dominance.

        The chances are very good that this group of ‘youths’ would have gone on to be even more brazen blaring their music in front of other people. The chances are very good that someone would eventually get into a fight with him.

        This kid was driving around with a brick on his shoulder waiting for someone to knock it off. I’d leave it for the next guy. More than likely it would have been with a brotha so it would be a double-win.

      • Jesse James

        Exactly there is a big difference between obnoxious and physical assault. Just never turn your back they love the sucker punch.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        He acted very unwisely. Here he is, one white guy, next to an obnoxious pack of negroes acting obnoxious, but…
        Come on, man. Think like a White. Four of them… Wisdom dictates perhaps having the gun in hand, but engaging them verbally like that, with your woman inside the store so you can’t just bug out if things go south…
        Not very wise.
        That cop in NC getting railroaded for doing his job is terrible, but hate to say…this guy was not thinking very well when he engaged them in the first place.

      • Young Werther

        “…loud music is not just obnoxious it’s an act of aggression and psychological warfare.”
        In certain ways this is spot on. I used to play my music really loudly when I was younger and dumber, like a child wanting attention…ha ha I thought I was just too cool to be missed…and that is aggressive though of a passive nature…but you are so right…it is a provacation often times in the way your are speaking.

    • Xerxes22

      This is more similar to the Bernie Geotz case than the Zimmerman case. In the Geotz case, Bernie knew the youfs were getting ready to attack him and he decided on a preemptive strike. Bernie struck first. He was only found guilty of having an illegal firearm. Mr. Dunn acted in self defense and I hope he is found not guilty too.

      • LACountyRedneck

        Dunn is done.

      • bilderbuster

        Although Goetz didn’t see them at the time, the coppers found sharpened screwdrivers on the Blacks after they had been shot.

  • D.B. Cooper

    He didn’t call 911, even when he was safely in his room. THAT is what will send him to jail.

    • Jack Burton

      That’s one thing. Obviously the shooting and killing of him is the main reason, and then the context surrounding it including firing 10 times, the other party being unarmed, the defendant having suffered no injury and also not reporting it promptly. He’s done.

      • iberianpride

        I totally agree. Maybe he had too much to drink at the wedding, or has anger management issues.

        • Jack Burton

          He has shooting accuracy issues as well. 10 times, 1 missed the SUV completely and only one shot actually hit the target.

          All of it shows that he’s an irresponsible gun owner. If he had practiced more he would likely have been more calm, calculating and more accurate.

          • SoulInvictus

            Hard to practice for adrenaline. Most shooters practice (if at all) in a calm environment, single stationary box shaped paper target, etc.
            In other words, the exact opposite of a real life situation.
            I run a few laps beforehand to get my pulse way up (drastically affects your aim), and then draw on multiple silhouettes. Not the same effect as fight or flight fear, but closer than not.

    • Jesse James

      The problem in a lot of areas now is that if you successfully defend yourself and wait around for the cops if you are in tagged territory or near to it and your opponent is affiliated you best move out because his boys are likely to have a faster response time than the cops.

    • The Bogeyman

      Yes, he’s definitely toast. I wonder if it is too late for him to plea to a lesser charge of animal cruelty?

  • Spartacus

    Good man !

    • sbuffalonative

      He may have taken out this guy but his life and his family are forever changed; prison most likely.

      And, I know you won’t like this, but it plays right into the hands of blacks who will use this against whites in the future.

      This kid was a walking bomb. If left alone his next confrontation would have been with one of his own. That would have been a double-win.

  • NotTooSwift

    I wonder why this shooting did not get the press that the Travon shooting received. Could it be that a conviction is a slam-dunk for the prosecutor?

    • iberianpride

      I believe Rolling Stone magazine did a story about it last year. But what you’re saying is probably a factor as well.

    • sbuffalonative

      I wondered about that too. This one is a bit more ‘black and white’.

      But it’s now getting national attention so we’ll be hearing about it.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/GenXinOz GenX ANZAC

      The Travon shooting was even all over media on the other side of the planet, yet not a peep from this one. I wonder why myself.

  • r j p

    Dunn said he was looking on his phone for news of a shooting. Guy asked: ‘Did you cry when the news came on and you found out the boy was killed?’

    Why would any sane individual cry over the death of a rabid animal?

  • John K

    “Racially-charged case”? Why is it that whenever a white person defends himself against one of these thugs, it’s racist?

    I suppose he should have waited until being killed by these thugs to know for sure if his life was in danger? “Oh, well, I’d better be sure that’s really a gun before I shoot the ‘poor, oppressed youth’. Hmm, is he a victim of poverty or the system? Should I reach out to him and let him know I feel his pain?”

    When the thug started calling him a cracker and beating on the car, then afterwards saying he was going to kill Dunn, that was enough justification to fire on him.

    How convenient that the elder Davis was there to testify how “shocked and distraught” he was to find out his son was executed. What a good kid he was, out thuggin’ and terrorizing whitey…..

    • Jack Burton

      That’s the risk you take, that’s the risk police take every day.

      That’s why Whites move away from blacks, it’s the easiest and most logical way to avoid crime.

      You can defend yourself, but then you actually have to defend yourself twice. Once from being harmed or killed by blacks, and then again against the anti-White political system and criminal justice system.

  • dave

    This guy had every right to shoot this savage. Once his life is threatened,he has every right to defend himself. I hope he gets off,but they will use him as scapegoat and make him out to be a racist. Whites are now slaves in their own country. I am so sick of everyone bowing down to these savages.

    • Jack Burton

      No, by law you don’t have the right to shoot someone because they verbally threaten you.

      • SoulInvictus

        I think there’s some nuance to that when they overtly threaten to kill you, and there’s a group. Armed or not, when it’s multiple aggressors and a guy alone with his wife, then I don’t see many juries deciding against him.
        If I was his attorney, I’d make sure the jury was stacked with women, preferably who answered yes in jury selection to whether they’d been the victim of a violent attack previously. Then play up the wife and family angle which wouldn’t be a hard sell. Bonus if there is a child in the car.

        • Major

          Too late now … it’s in the jury’s hands. And as I said above, he needs to go down. I’m not willing to see Shaprton and his army of black thugs down here anymore.

          • SoulInvictus

            Why? OJ didn’t. How is it beneficial for him to go down, even if you don’t like or believe him?

          • Major

            I think I tried to explain it above….take a look. It has zero to do with with liking the man…I don’t even know him so what can I conclude about him?

          • SoulInvictus

            I did read the earlier post. Either way, clean shooting or not, they’ll use any case to erode gun rights when it’s an otherwise upstanding citizen that shoots someone. It’s another, evil whitey shoots a pure as driven snow black youth.
            Could he have handled it better, sure. But I’ve been in those situations where it’s something you’ve never dealt with before, especially a violent one. Your mind goes to this hazy wtf do I do place, and time goes all surreal and slow. The ensuing reaction to a bloody shootout for the average soft white suburbanite could be a psychotic break, it would seem to be completely reasonable reaction to the trauma. I think the inaccuracy of his shooting at such close range could even be evidence of that panic. If he’s made of sterner stuff and the reaction was a feeling of justification and a lack of remorse, it also doesn’t mean he was wrong.

            The news made it sound like he sought the guys ought, walked up to the window and emptied his clip. After seeing his accounting, that doesn’t sound the case at all.
            It definitely sounds like they antagonized and threatened him, then paid the price for it. Why you think he should go down for that is beyond me.
            My point with dredging up OJ, is that as someone else pointed out, they have no problem with using jury nullification to help out their tribe. Time for us to get in that mindset too because the legal system is a rigged game for us now. It’s all banana republic politics as sad as that is to say of America, but that’s what they’ve brought us down to, so better to realize it and act accordingly.

          • Major

            Then if we want it “clean”, we all better start carrying a drop gun for the cops…rather than finding no weapon at all…or even anything resembling one?

          • SoulInvictus

            Unfortunately, yes we have to think like that.
            When the world is so screwed up by PC thinking that people sometimes go to jail for defending themselves in their own home, much less in public, then…yeah.
            Knives are cheaper.

      • dave

        It depends on the threat. I’ll bet he had a gun and his friends disposed of it after the fact.

        • TheCogitator

          It certainly is possible the other blacks got rid of the gun, but if it isn’t found, or someone comes forward to testify he saw the gun, I’m afraid this guy is going down.

          As much as I hate the rude behavior of blacks and their loud music, nothing good can come from calling them out on it as this man did. Save it for the final battle when were rid this country of them.

          • seapeaMP

            The “final battle”… heh!

            Hello fellow White People, we’ve been a quote FINAL BATTLE unquote for decades.

            Are you really waiting for an “Official” announcement?


            “Diversity” is a code word for White Genocide.

      • Young Werther

        This is true.

  • Glen

    So, what should a person in that situation do when one or two “youts” make it look like they are going for a gun?

    • Jack Burton

      Either drive away and avoid the confrontation, or do what that man did up until the point where he started firing before he actually saw a weapon, by having his weapon at the ready.

      Sounds like he was panicked and he’s not someone who is cool under pressure.

      • MBlanc46

        I don’t fault him for not betting his life on his split-second reaction.

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        As a group, black males have done everything they possibly can to make other people fear them. It turns out that when some folks are afraid, they shoot.

        • itdoesnotmatter

          Well, Michael, I look at this way. Righteous indignation, of which I’ve more than my share, is no cause to draw down on the triggering element.
          Dog owners who leave their barking dogs out in the yard to bark all night have the same homicide inducing effect.

  • dd121

    That gun was loud and a public nuisance, therefore the most he should be charged with is “disturbing the peace”. (When I say this on some place like CNN the libs think I’m trolling. I couldn’t be more sincere).

    • itdoesnotmatter

      dd, I followed you over to CNN, up-voted your comments. You are a better man [or woman] than I am, Gunga Din. I would never take on CNN readers. They are about as awake as the libtards on HuffPo.
      Life is too short to put that much squeeze on my coronaries.

      • dd121

        Man, and thanks. Maybe I should post there more often. Here, we just all agree with each other which can get boring. I like CNN because unlike most liberal spots my posts don’t get immediately deleted. It’s been quite an awakening for me. I get responses that are at first incredulous then mocking and hateful. I think most of the libs there have never heard our point of view presented frankly and without vitriol. I wouldn’t say I’m making converts but you never know. There might be an impressionable lurker who might at least consider an alternate point of view. On other parts of the internet which you would not consider political venues, you hear a lot of young people who aren’t swallowing the Diversity propaganda.

        Just read my comment above that you commented on. It couldn’t be more in your face to liberals. It drives them crazy and I just love it.

        P.S. I survived my first heart attack a few years ago and I’m not afraid of the next one. Cheers!

        • Jesse James

          One comment out there in the sheep world is worth a hundred kicked around here in the clubhouse.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            You are right, of course, Jesse, but I despair of the antics to which libtards resort. So many are as children. Who wants discourse with bratty, irrational kids when there is so much at stake?

        • dd121

          BTW one of the liberal posters rewarded me with this:

          “I have read your posts, and you are one of the most foul, racist, repulsive creatures I have ever had the displeasure of encountering anywhere. If you had a shred of decency, you would be deeply ashamed of yourself. But you have no decency, because you are nothing but a piece of rigth-wing trash. You should be removed from this country. You are not fit to live in society. Anywhere.”

          I think they would be a bit more effective if they avoided the personal attacks. But they all do it.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            I know, and find it childish and silly. When one has nothing in mind to post, no discussion or rational debate, only ad hominems, his case is lost. Game over.

          • dd121

            That post does provide a little insight into how liberals think. They feel they have the high moral ground and anybody who disagrees is unspeakably evil. In countries where they took absolute control their first act was to murder everybody who they disagreed with. That should be a cautionary tale for conservatives in this country.

          • SoulInvictus

            I wear that sh*t like a badge of honor. I get the same thing on the odd occasion I post on Alternet, and I even try to stick to more mundane politics and economics there just to maintain a semblance of civility and dialogue.

          • dd121

            I thought the posters here would appreciate. I’m civil in my posts by I try to push the liberals biggest buttons that ring their bells the loudest. It’s lots of fun.

        • itdoesnotmatter

          Following you and other awake posters on the CNN thread, “Who still can’t sit at America’s table?” in awe of libtards’
          ad hominem remarks. They make it past the mods?
          Sorry about your coronary event. The good news is you survived.
          Female here, but still a cardiac risk related to high lipids, aka “familial hyperlipidemia.”
          Unfortunately, over the years, have developed an intolerance of every single lipid lowering drug, including niacinamide.

          • dd121

            Hope your health stabilizes. Getting older isn’t always fun. Oh yeah, lots of stents.
            I was surprised that one of the nastiest posters had his post removed by the CNN mods. It usually goes the other way for conservatives. Usually, you get a post deleted from liberal sites merely because they disagree with the content rather than any “abuse”.

  • MBlanc46

    It sounds as if Mr. Dunn did everything right except stop for wine at a gas station. You could argue that he should have called the police, but it’s quite rational to not involve the police when the involvement of the police leads to your persecution.

    • seapeaMP

      Mr. Dunn might have been trying to follow the adage…

      Shoot, Scoot and Stay Mute


      “Diversity” just means less White people.

      • itdoesnotmatter

        If only, seapea. We Whites seem to be too law abiding to leave a shooting. We need to change that.

      • Jesse James

        and pay in cash.

      • MBlanc46

        There’s certainly some wisdom to that. But skedaddling can make some folks look askance at a self-defense plea.

  • Major

    I live in Florida. Dunn has done a disservice to every CCW licensed carrier down here. Less than a year after GZ’s acquittal … we didn’t need another one like this. Certainly not another White / black confrontation that ended with another shooting.

    We’ve managed to push back all the libs and anti 2A sissies and commies that wanted to repeal SYG by fierce lobbying of our legislators who are predominately Republicans.

    We don’t need to give these loons any more ammo ( pardon the pun ) against us. So far Florida is a shall issue state and very liberal when it comes to 2A and gun rights.

    If we want to keep it like that Mr. Dunn has to go down. He was not justified IMO and his actions afterward were that of a guilty man. Plus I think he’s a lying sack of ________!

    • seapeaMP

      What will it take for you to support one of your own?


      If “diversity” is so wonderful, why does ONLY one race have to practice it?

      • Major

        My answer or opinion was not based upon diversity. It was based upon what would be considered a legal defense, period. There are many others here who believe as I do, that Dunn had alternatives to choose from.

        I’ll “support my own”, as I always have when they are in the right. Dunn’s life wasn’t threatened by the loud rap music, as much as he didn’t like it. And I think that’s what led him to act as he did. He already had a chip on his shoulder and was probably muttering n*gger under his breathe and his hate took over.

        There have been plenty of times in my life when my finger was curled around a trigger … but I learned restraint. In his case it would have saved his life.

        • seapeaMP

          Every traitor justifies their treason with language like “pursuing a higher ideal”, “following a transcendent vision” or “in the right.”


          One Race “Diversity” is GENOCIDE.

          • Major

            Then pick your opportunities, wisely. Dunn would have had another clear, clean one as all of have had at one time or another.

          • seapeaMP

            I see no reason why Mr. Dunn doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. His recollection of the events of that night are accurate or they aren’t. Holding him to some imaginary standards based on imperfect information just seems cruel.


            “Diversity” is a genocidal scam.

          • Major

            We shall soon see…won’t we? The standards for SYG are not ‘imaginary”. In Florida they are clear cut. And verbal abuse isn’t one of them. Otherwise we’d be an OK corral down here. And as I see it everyday…they’re doing a good job of shooting each other on a daily basis.

  • OhWow

    I will admit this guy was in the wrong for shooting. But blacks put themselves in these situations. Even if the black kid turns out to be a good student with no criminal history, he still portrayed himself as a black thug with the loud rap music and all the ghetto yelling. It’s the whole “can’t tell me nothing” attitude blacks have especially around whites. It’s like they feel like they have to vindicate their ancestors from 200 years ago and “give whitey what he had coming to him”. I find it odd that the guy went back and ordered pizza without calling police or anything. He will probably be found guilty, but the real focus here should be WHY blacks are seen as a big threat.

    There is a reason this guy felt much more threatened. They were black. If it was a car full of white teens it would be different. That’s what needs to come out of this. Blacks are responsible for the image they put out there of themselves. The black community loves hip hop culture that promotes acting like a tough guy thug and criminal at all times. It glamorizes selling drugs, dropping out of school, murdering, stealing, robbing, assaulting, shooting, stabbing, etc. They love dressing like thugs and acting like them. Even if you get straight A’s and never had a single run-in with the law as a black man, if you portray yourself as a thug you will be seen as one. It’s not like people have a digital criminal history or threat level attached on some digital screen on their heads. This is why humans profile. It’s to judge whether someone is a threat or not. And the reason blacks have the profile they do is because of their own choices.

    • itdoesnotmatter

      Please, please, stop referring to hip hop as “music.” It is noise.

      • Brian

        As a musician, one of the old-fashioned sorts who think ‘music’ involves singing a melody or playing an instrument with the hands, seeing three-size-too-large, gaudy athletic garb on a bunch of clowns jumping around grunting profanities over a pre-recorded drum machine track…does not cut it. I call it ‘afraoke’.

        • itdoesnotmatter

          Yes! Very good, ‘afraoke.’
          The hip hop junk the vehicle had thumping was by someone named Notorious B.I.G., the noise selection called, “Beef.”
          The eek ook grunts emitted as “lyrics” are totally obscene.

      • Alexandra1973

        My dad always referred to it as “jungle bunnies.” I had no idea the term was “RAY-CISS!” until I posted it on a forum a long time ago.

        Meanwhile, Dad would ask me to turn on his hillbillies….

    • Reverend Bacon

      I think he had reasonable suspicion that his life was threatened. He’ll almost surely fry, but there was a very decent chance that the youfs would be violent, and they probably were chimping at the bit. I’d guess in half the circumstances he described that the white guy gets attacked.

      Contrast that to a cop who shoots a family dog and gets off completely. They too claim to believe they are in danger, but I bet it’s a lower percentage than in this case.

      • Brian

        ‘chimping at the bit’– i need to remember that one.

        • Reverend Bacon

          I was wondering when I wrote it if people would think it was just a typo. I was amused too. People often say “chomping” when it’s actually “champing.” But now, it’s “chimping.”

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      I disagree, he had every right and reason to fear for his life, and to act accordingly. I was in that man’s shoes, more than once. I have pulled weapons on people who are very fortunate they did not provide the final provocation that would have drawn them a single, but fatal bullet. The fact he sprayed ten shots at them shows how frightened he was, shooting at targets is nothing like shooting at someone who is shooting back at you. I would rather be judged by twelve than buried by six.

  • redfeathers

    John Guy and Angela Corey back together again. I’m guessing that HLN and Nancy Grace are all over this one too.

  • Ron Cheaters

    He’s a scapegoat.
    He’ll go down for sure.. the question now is for how long.
    Save your ammo for the real combat to come.

  • itdoesnotmatter

    When a White kills a black, never mind if in self defense, it is described as a “racially charged incident.”
    When a black kills a White, it is a problem with a White “in the wrong place at the wrong time.”
    Any ideas about how to turn this twisted narrative around?

    • seapeaMP

      By pointing it out like you just did, over and over and over and over again. Ad nauseam.

      When a White harms a non-white, it’s a “racially charged incident.”
      When a non-white harms a White, it’s a “in the wrong place at the wrong time.”

      100% “Diversity” = 0% White people

      • itdoesnotmatter

        Thank you, seapea. It is a start.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    prosecutor Angela Corey

    What disgusts me the most about this case is that racist, sadistic witch Angela Corey is still employed.

    The governor should have removed Corey from office after she “willfully and deliberately” withheld crucial exculpatory evidence from the defense in the Trayvon Martin case.

    Corey should be wearing an orange jumpsuit breaking up rocks in a federal pen somewhere.

    That said, thugs deliberately blasting degenerate, anti-social rap music could drive anyone to murder. Lines of civility have to be drawn somewhere and punks inflicting profanities and obscenities at 120+ decibels on the rest of us crosses that line.

    • Jesse James

      Right about the noise but most areas there are still functioning police patrols, call the local cops and let them send a unit out to investigate. If they are blasting 120 decibels they will probably get a ticket and have to put off the purchase of their next set of spinners for another month. Well that works if your local cops still practice “broken windows” policing. It is getting harder for them to do because it generates huge gaps in racial stats due to black misbehavior and general stupidity.

    • Major

      Corey will get her pound of flesh on this one. And Gov. Scott is a POS and a wimp for not firing this “diversity” slut… Eric Holders sista.

  • Truthseeker

    I once spent a semester living in a college dorm above two black guys, and I can attest that unwanted noise can inspire murderous feelings in an otherwise mild-mannered person. Being forced to hear bass-thumping rap at midnight is not exactly conducive to a general disposition of good will. I remember going on the internet and reading similar experiences other people had had with unwanted noise, and they also spoke of wanting to kill the people making the noise. People who blare their music truly don’t realize how serious it is.

    At the time I came across a news story of two teens (I’m pretty sure their race was what you’d expect it to be) who were playing basketball while blaring loud music. A man couldn’t take the noise anymore, so he came out and yelled at them to turn it down, and even threatened them if they didn’t. According to the youth who survived, “we just ignored him,” and the man later came out with a gun and killed one of them. I’m pretty sure the man went to jail, but I think that story demonstrates what unwanted noise does to people. I actually found myself more sympathetic to the man with the gun than the teen who was killed.

  • bubo

    This happened in my town. If he didn’t drive off and called police he might have stood a small chance at beating the charge. He’ll be found guilty in my opinion. Mostly to appease blacks after the Trayvon trial.

    I see mean-mugging black youth every day. They want to make you believe they are dangerous. They love the thug image. Young Mr. Davis got his wish. Dunn believed him.

    I would imagine as the bullets were ripping into him he must’ve thought, “I’ve made a terrible mistake.”

    • jane johnson

      Verdict watch. Think I’ll skip school tomorrow since I don’t really want to be downtown. Looks like Dunn thought Davis had a gun, and Davis thought Dunn didn’t.

  • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

    The problem here is that when blacks are deliberately threatening, some of us pretend to believe their nonsense but chose to act in precisely the opposite manner from which they would like. I have done my level best to provoke THEM at various times, and the smarter ones have decided that I’m crazy and backed down themselves. The last time I heard rap music going full-blast, I screamed “Oogabooga” out the bedroom window as loud as I could. The idiot responsible turned it down right away and I haven’t heard it here since then. We don’t have to back down from them; this is our country.

    The most Mr. Dunn needs is a littering ticket for not picking up his spent brass.

    • Brian

      When I encounter shiftless bums at the gas station or grocery store parking lot, coming over to ask for change, I occasionally beat them to the punch and ask THEM for change… ‘sir, I don’t mean to bother you, but…’ The look on their face is priceless.

      • Alexandra1973

        You tell ‘em go ask Obummer. After all, didn’t he promise change?

  • blight14

    I wish you nothing but the best Mr Dunn……….

  • saxonsun

    He did exactly what I’ve wanted to do so many times.

  • Shawn_thefemale

    I’m still shaking my head at those lips…. another human being could be created with that much skin.

    • Guest

      Another?

  • LHathaway

    These days, I suspect leftists are in agreement with this ‘poor women, blacks, gays’ philosophy because they think one day these liberal ‘good intentions’ and sentiments will be displayed toward white men. Have mercy on white men when leftist make Them their cause. White men as a groups will not survive it. And people of color and womens’ groups will not allow white men to receive legal favor (it would be hatred, of course). The realists are right again.

    Then again, when you listen to blacks, most of them carry on as if they Do believe that which is diametrically opposite from reality. Most of them really do. In fact, the worse they treat whites the more important it is for them to believe whites are the bad guys. A book should be written about why whites, in this day and age, go along with it. Personally, I believe they are afraid not to.

  • Bunky

    Davis was a felon in waiting.
    Waiting to turn 18 so they could charge him as an adult.
    Now he was.

  • Bunky

    Plus there were more of them.
    If there were one or two what would they do?

    • diversity

      He was in a CAR, he could have driven away

  • diversity

    This guy could have just driven away. His wife testified that he didnt tell her that tthere was a gun in the car and the police didnt find one … HMMM

  • itdoesnotmatter

    My needs for regular “aggravation fixes” are met by posting at the worst hydra head Medea out there, Huffpo.
    Also, Yahoo, and [gasp] the San Francisco Chronicle. Surprisingly, I have attracted more fans than one would expect on heavily moderated Huffpo.

  • Young Werther

    I grew up in the deep south with men like Dunn everywhere. Quiet Men. This man was minding his own business, and most likely asked them to turn down the music, politely. When he realized a gang of young men were revving themselves up to beat his ass as well as harm his girlfriend he did what a normal *man* would do. He reacted to the threats with force. Isn’t that normal? BTW, notice no news about Dunn’s supporters outside the court house…notice the *media* aren’t camped out on the court house lawn either…maybe they are afraid of something? What’s race got to do with it?

    • Young Werther

      Then again, thanks to the internet, Dunn most likely knows about the targeting of whites by blacks so he must have gotten nervous and paniced just like he said he did. People do lots of wild things when they are nervous. But, sometimes they do reasonable things too.

  • Young Werther

    This bit of info:
    JACKSONVILLE, Fla. – The New Black Panther Party will rally Thursday morning to demand Michael Dunn receives the death penalty.

    (The death penalty is not an option in this case, however.)

    The Thursday morning event is slated to take place in front of the Duval County Courthouse at 8:30 a.m., according to a release from the New Black Panther Party. The NBPP release suggests the shooting death of Jordan Davis was racially motivated and makes statements such as, “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.”
    The details of the rally describe it as non-violent, however the release also stated, “In accordance with our legal rights a false arrest can be resisted with just as much violence as the officers has to make it!”
    The Duval County Courthouse is located at 501 West Adams Street in Downtown Jacksonville.
    (First Coast News)

    • itdoesnotmatter

      Whoa, Nellie. This is a throwdown if there ever were one.

      • Young Werther

        Guess not since it is obvious that after the verdict Dunn will be in prison for the rest of his (short) life. Jeepers, looks like the grand party will have to wait for another time…but it will surely come.

        • itdoesnotmatter

          What a shame. A life wasted, the shooter’s, not the shootee. The black kid was on his way to prison in the not too distant future anyway.

          • Young Werther

            I don’t know anything about the kid or what his future may have been like, but in the future the white man will be showing much more of this behavior…he has no other real choice.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            The black kid was hanging with “the wrong crowd.”
            A telltale sign.

          • Young Werther

            These people should get a grip on themselves, because there are many people who love what Dunn did and can’t wait to do the same thing. They are simply tired of being pushed around and made to feel frightened… this leads to rage…a back-lash, when it happens, will be nasty.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            I feel surges of internal outrage, but do not act upon those emotions as Dunn did, because I possess restraint. I refuse to risk loss of my [for now] ability to come and go as I please, my family, professional license and standing, all that I hold dear.
            It does not take much imagination to envision how this case would have played out if the races were reversed. That ticks me off, and that is I why I come here.

          • Young Werther

            It is rare I feel much of anything about black persecution of whites backed and encouraged by certain leftist elites, and feared and hidden by silly liberals as well as many conservatives, because I have formally studied it for too long. This brings about a distance, an intellectual distance as well as emotional. But I am certainly aware of things that are going on, especially human nature. It is true that had Dunn been black and the teens been white there would have been no media about it. That is just a fact, and that in itself builds more and more*quiet rage*…Dunn is what the white man looks like when he is f***ing fed up to the point all hell will break loose at the least provocation. Can you imagine how many are out there? The white man/woman will soon be driven mad with rage…the most obvious and most logical conclusion.

    • jane johnson

      You can bet that we won’t be hearing from “my people” Holder; unless, of course, Dunn is acquitted, Then there’ll be a “civil rights” witch hunt. The nation’s top lawyer doesn’t believe that the concept of double jeopardy applies to Whites who kill feral blacks in self-defense.I will not be attending my class at the downtown campus this morning since I rely on public transport and am one of only a handful of Whites who rides this packed bus.

      • Young Werther

        Holder made it clear long ago about how he feels and what his plans are for his people…I can’t imagine riding on public transportation without having some radical protection handy.

  • Ograf

    They are right in comparing this to the trayvon case. He was guilty also of trying to kill an innocent person when he got shot.

    • Young Werther

      There is one very obvious element in these cases…the media, except for FOX, have all tried to stirr up a racial unrest all over the place. Especially Nancy Grace, and even Jane V. Mitchile…and of course msnbc. Grace kept calling the guys in the car Dunn was shooting at CHILD AND CHILDREN, just as she lied about Zimmerman calling Martin a *coon*. She should have been prosecuted for that.

  • LACountyRedneck

    They are at this time into their tenth hour of deliberations. Perhaps they have info that we don’t have. This guy stands a chance of getting off.

  • Major

    Dunn…guilty of 4 out of 5 charges. Hung Jury on 1st Degree murder…Corey says she’ll retry to get that conviction.

    • itdoesnotmatter

      I doubt Corey will proceed. Why she was not disbarred over her handling of the Zimmerman case, I do not know.

      • Major

        My guess? Because she’s one of the chosen pet minorities. And female.

        My vote for Gov. Scott will not be appearing this year because he refused to fire this racist ball buster along with Pam Bondi, our AG who should have ket this hag go long ago. She’s as dangerous as Eric the Red Holder, IMO.

        • itdoesnotmatter

          She’s as dangerous as Eric the Red Holder, IMO.

          Now that’s saying something, Major.

          • Major

            As are every one of the AA’s that have taken over our institutions and now…the White House. How far have we descended into a hell of our own creation?

          • itdoesnotmatter

            Very far, Major, very far. It is depressing to ponder just how far. Taking a look at Barry’s appointees is a tell. This is the only area in which he is transparent.

      • Young Werther

        But crazy like a fox because she will certainly prosecute Dunn or Holder with get him tried by the feds on a hate crime charge.

        • itdoesnotmatter

          Agree, she will at least try to facilitate federal charges. She has an axe to grind in this case.

          • Young Werther

            Yes, she will surely have her office go after him on that first charge. She is a strange person.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            In my book, she is not only strange, she is unprofessional and not to bright. She should have been disbarred.

      • Major

        Either way…it was pre ordained that Dunn would have to take the fall. Diversity demanded it. Not to mention the “strife” that cities like JAX would face by an out of control Bantu nation looking to even the score.

        In reality, that’s all they cared about. Keeping the savages at bay.

        • itdoesnotmatter

          With NBPP members slapping their truncheons against their palms in slavering anticipation, who would expect a jury of any color mix chancing any kind of fairly mediated verdict?

  • Young Werther

    Well, well…those cute postcards I got from you but you didn’t answer me when I sent you a post to the site of your busiiness (listed on the the business card you gave me, fool!) …ha! Thanks for that deoderant, bub…I thought you were refreshing and fun. Really enjoyed meeting you at the conference.