Belleville OKs Controversial Crime-Free Housing Ordinance

Jacqueline Lee, Belleville News-Democrat, September 16, 2013

Belleville City Council members on Monday approved a crime-free housing ordinance for the city with a 13-3 vote.

The city has been holding discussions since 2011 on whether to implement the national program to lower crime in rental housing.

Landlords now have until Nov. 1 to take a training class on the crime-free housing program. Landlords do not have to take the class if they already are certified from other metro-east cities with existing crime-free programs.

The crux of the ordinance requires landlords to register their rental units for a $25 annual fee; run criminal background checks on potential tenants over 18; and make an effort to evict tenants charged with crimes.

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Before the vote, the council heard from residents, landlords and aldermen about the proposed ordinance. At least seven residents spoke in favor of the ordinance and at least eight expressed an opinion against it.

Some speakers questioned the legality of the ordinance, and said it unfairly targets black renters and does not give landlords much recourse.

City Attorney Garrett Hoerner says the ordinance is constitutional, valid and enforceable and does not require landlords to do anything that would violate fair-housing rules.

Other speakers, including representatives of the Greater Belleville Chamber of Commerce, said it’s time for the city to have a program to protect the quality of life for Belleville residents and address safety issues in neighborhoods that stem from renters.

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Resident Rose Wilson reminded council members that Belleville is not the only city to consider a crime-free housing program. The program has been passed by other metro-east communities and it has been credited with helping to lower crime in rental housing in those communities.

Belleville resident Lee Otis Griffin said the ordinance discriminates against black residents and will present lots of problems down the road for the city. He made yet another plea for the city to hire more black employees.

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  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    Belleville, which shares a common boundary with…

    …East St. Louis.

    If the law is effective, the DOJ will drag it into court. If it’s not effective, then it will have been nothing more than political posturing.

    • Strider73

      Belleville is also where Scott AFB is located. I wonder to what extent the presence of such a large federal facility influenced the decision.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        Very little. ESL being a neighbor and its undertow spreading eastward is the entire cause of Belleville’s problems in this regard.

        • Strider73

          No surprise there, but I was actually referring to the extent that military personnel have been the victims of that undertow. Scott is a major command headquarters, which means lots of generals and colonels running, crawling and/or slithering around. If any of them or their families were victimized, they would instantly be on the phone to the Pentagon demanding the city “do something’ about the crime. And the Pentagon would certainly not hesitate to throw its weight around in such a situation.

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            I highly doubt many of the important personnel at Scott actually live or spend much time in Belleville, especially the black parts of it, which is in the western part of Belleville close to ESL. If they live off base, it would be in the newer whiter suburbs in St. Clair County.

  • TheCogitator

    No one will suggest that this ordinance unfairly targets men. Men commit more crime than women and would be more effected by an anti-crime ordinance. Like men when compared to women, blacks commit more crime than whites. As such they must suffer the consequences for that.

  • Luca

    The entire nation should do this. Not only in housing but every other aspect of society. This would be especially true for repeat offenders and those convicted of heinous crimes.

    Criminals by definition are anti-social, as such, why should they be allowed all the privileges of living in a civilized society? Rehabilitation is basically a myth to perpetuate the shyster-lawyer business.

    If I were king, I would pass an edict that all repeat/hardcore offenders would be outsourced offshore to the dark continent. We would confiscate their passports, never allow reentry, and gladly pay $10,000 a head to the receiving country.

    I know we’d be sacrificing some diversity at the same time, but hey, we all have to make sacrifices if we want a better society

    • NorthSea

      The resulting loss of vibrancy would be devastating to the enrichment of our culture.

      • Spartacus

        Not to mention how the gods would take back their blessing on the barley harvest !

    • Sick of it

      You’re a nice guy. I’ve been pushing for a return to the death penalty for at least rape and murder.

      • Juan Outtamany

        I support death by Wood Chipper. Reduce, recycle, re-use.

  • Spartacus

    How about black-free housing ? All the other problems would disappear along with the people who create them in the first place…

    • dd121

      It’s illegal to have black-free housing but it’s not illegal to have almost black-only housing. They’re called prisons.

      • borogirl54

        Or racial segregated housing in prisons. In California prisons, you have the white section, black section and Latino section all run by gangs of each race.

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    Speaking of the Metro East and black crime. Yeah, I know I shouldn’t be conflating the two, even though it’s so easy.

    The Feds are starting to Federalize armed robbery charges on something called the Hobbs Act, that is, a violent crime that interferes with interstate commerce. A trio of Bellcurvii that knocked back a restaurant in the city immediately north of Belleville are going to face such a Federal rap, and evidently, the Feds are doing this in Milwaukee, Philadelphia and other cities, mainly as a means to imprison black armed robbers so far from their hoods that their fambly can’t visit them, and I suppose that’s supposed to be a deterrent. In the case of the Metro East, it’s also because of wonderful Pat Quinn and his get out of prison free and very early cards.

    I predict that we’ll soon see the Federalization of murder charges where a deadly weapon esp. a firearm was used, with the interstate transportation of the deadly weapon being used as the hook to make it a Federal object. One good part about that is that the Feds have the death penalty, so they can do executions for murders committed in states where there is no death penalty.

    • dd121

      That’s a pretty significant story that nobody ever heard. I didn’t hear it in the msm or internet. I predict that it will end with lite sentences and no death penalties for blacks and just the opposite for whites. Obama and Holder have admitted as much. I wondered how they were going to do it.

    • Jenkem Huffington

      Federal courts are known to be a complete travesty of justice. I wouldn’t celebrate too long if they usurp this sort of jurisdiction because trust and believe the new power will be used to punish and subjugate whites long before it makes a dent in black crime.

  • Romulus

    Let me be the first to congratulate all the posters for last night’s destruction of John E’s
    Arguements on the thread. NewMiss America?

  • Kit Ingoldby

    This law will ‘unfairly’ targets criminals.

    If that is a problem for blacks, then blacks need to deal with their criminal problem instead of blaming everyone else for it.

    • borogirl54

      I could not agree more. Anyone who comes up with a solution is seen as an traitor if they are black or a racist if they are white.

  • borogirl54

    What is the big deal? Most landlords check the criminal history and credit history of potential tenants anyway.

    • Xerxes22

      It’s aimed at those landlords who take section 8 tenants. They don’t care who they rent to as long as the monthly rent is guarenteed by the government.

      • Ella

        The city wants to avoid crack-using abusing boyfriends or relatives who pile into apartments at high numbers. You saw what they did to the FEMA trailers after Katrina.

    • Greg Thomas

      Really? Then how do illegal invading mexicans rent apartments.

  • Sick of it

    They need to expand the measure to city employees.

    • Evette Coutier

      And politicians.

  • MekongDelta69

    Belleville resident Lee Otis Griffin said the ordinance discriminates against black residents

    Allow me a juvenile moment here:
    Well, duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • MBlanc46

    I’m sceptical that anything of value will come of this, but it’s an idea worth following to see what does happen.

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    At the end of the article we have one Mr. Lee Otis Griffin, calling for more blacks to be hired as city employees. These people don’t let a single opportunity to get on to the Government dole in one form or another pass by, ever. He’s basically calling for blacks to be hired not because they can do the job, but because the color of their skin is black. And yet somehow, it’s the white people of this nation who are supposedly the racist, right? Not only are black people absolute parasites, and Mr. Griffin demonstrates that quite clearly. They are also by far the most racist of all racial groups in this country, and Mr. Griffin demonstrates that quite clearly as well. They care about them and only them. Yet they demand that everyone else care about them just as much as they do. And as ridiculous as it is, as far as the white population goes, for the most part, they do.

    Even 98% of us whites who identify ourselves as race realist do not wish harm of any sort upon blacks. We simply do not like them at all and just want to be left completely alone by them. For the last 60 years every single domestic policy must be, and has been, put through the “how does this effect the black community” meat grinder before ever being implemented. Which leads to the daily task of Governing revolving around the sole wants and needs of black America. Who make up just 13% or so of the population. Yet they still claim that they are somehow being neglected, and even crazier some whites ( Liberals of course ) actually agree. I’m just sick and tired of these people all together.

    They cry that elected officials don’t care about black people out there killing themselves. Screaming that the police need to do more to clean up the crime that’s destroying their communities. Then when the police and public officials try to do just that, these same people cry that the police are racist because they arrest more blacks than whites. Never mind the fact that it’s the black population who are carrying out the crimes. No they just want to see a few whites arrested as well, even if they committed no crime. It just makes them feel a little better. No matter how you look at it, black people are an entirely worthless burden to America. Which leads me to bitterly curse the enslaving plantation owners who delivered to America it’s most destructive legacy, the mud people.

    • Major

      Wow….Up 100+

    • Brian

      And the modern ‘plantation owners’, the ‘country club’ Republicans and limousine liberals, want the cheap, pliable labor so badly they’re bringing in another low-IQ, third-world underclass on top of our heads…this time from Mexico instead of Africa. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

    • Puggg

      If there are a lack of black employees in both the Belleville city government and public services agencies, and in the county’s, the county seat is Belleville, it’s because Belleville and St. Clair County are basically an oligopoly where the same three or so extended families and its members run for and win virtually every public office, and reward each other with public payroll jobs. In that it’s really not much different from a Middle Eastern country.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        Is that you, Bob Romanik?

        • Puggg

          But I’ve listened to his rants a few times, and he’s totally right about St. Clair County. I knew that even before I ever listened to him. You know what kind of work I do, and that gossip among us in that profession gets around.

  • Truthseeker

    According to blacks, all of the following are “racist”:

    1. Accountability for one’s actions
    2. Rule of law
    3. Judging people by their character
    4. Self-sufficiency
    5. Behavioral standards
    6. Statistics
    7. Common sense
    8. Educational standards
    9. Any instance of not getting what one wants

    And of course,

    10. Being white

    • jane johnson

      Don’t forget 11 & 12:

      Freedom of association and property rights.

  • Guest

    Here is a small example of what the undertow has wrought in Belleville:

    Soup dispute lands Shellice Connors and Carlos Anthony in jail

    ksdk dot com

    BELLEVILLE, Ill. (KSDK) – A couple is in jail after refusing to open their front door for police during a dispute over a can of soup and lying to a 911 dispatcher, police say.

    The St. Clair County Sheriff’s Department was called to the 2700 block of West Boulevard in reference to a domestic battery in progress on Sunday. A woman, later identified as Shellice Connors, 47, had told a 911 dispatcher that her fiancé, 47-year-old Carlos Anthony, had beaten her and was entering the home through the front door.

    The dispatcher told police that it sounded like a man yelling in the background. When deputies arrived on the scene, they heard some type of banging from inside the house, noises they thought indicated a struggle.

    Connors told a 911 dispatcher that she had gotten out of the residence and was staying with relatives. She told the dispatcher that Anthony wasstill inside the house. Because of the developing situation and exigent circumstances, deputies went inside the residence, where they found Connors and Anthony.

    Neither of them showed any sign that a physical altercation had occurred. According to a news release, deputies had determined that Connors and Anthony were arguing over a can of soup, knew that deputies were on the scene and refused to open the door.

    After an investigation, Anthony was charged with attempted obstruction of justice and Connors was charged with disorderly conduct. A St. Clair County Judge set Connors’ bond at $15,000.

    Both Carlos and Connors are in custody at the St. Clair County Jail.

    ***

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    Here is a small example of what the undertow has wrought in Belleville:

    Soup dispute lands Shellice Connors and Carlos Anthony in jail

    ksdk dot com

    BELLEVILLE, Ill. (KSDK) – A couple is in jail after refusing to open their front door for police during a dispute over a can of soup and lying to a 911 dispatcher, police say.

    The St. Clair County Sheriff’s Department was called to the 2700 block of West Boulevard in reference to a domestic battery in progress on Sunday. A woman, later identified as Shellice Connors, 47, had told a 911 dispatcher that her fiancé, 47-year-old Carlos Anthony, had beaten her and was entering the home through the front door.

    The dispatcher told police that it sounded like a man yelling in the background. When deputies arrived on the scene, they heard some type of banging from inside the house, noises they thought indicated a struggle.

    Connors told a 911 dispatcher that she had gotten out of the residence and was
    staying with relatives. She told the dispatcher that Anthony was still inside the house. Because of the developing situation and exigent circumstances, deputies went inside the residence, where they found Connors and Anthony.

    Neither of them showed any sign that a physical altercation had occurred. According to a news release, deputies had determined that Connors and Anthony were arguing over a can of soup, knew that deputies were on the scene and refused to open the door.

    After an investigation, Anthony was charged with attempted obstruction of justice and Connors was charged with disorderly conduct. ASt. Clair County Judge set Connors’ bond at $15,000.

    Both Carlos and Connors are in custody at the St. Clair County Jail.

    ***

    It could be worse, they one could have murdered the other over a Kool Aid recipe dispute, the favorite pastime of Detroit.

    • Greg Thomas

      Jesus Christ! Over a can of soup. And they still have the audacity to claim blacks are our equal.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        My guess is that they were arguing because neither one of them knew how to open the can.

  • plaintruthforidiots

    How dare law abiding white people get to live AWAY from non-white criminals! Whatever next! We can’t have decent white people living happy lives among their own kind! We MUST force them to live with people they don’t want to – doesn’t that make us wonderful.
    Freedom of NON-association is the most fundamental human right of all, and almost nobody on earth is able to not associate with people who are ruining their lives, due to the tyrants in power.

    • HaroldWesterling

      “Whatever next! We can’t have decent white people living happy lives among their own kind!”

      Next? That is already happening now!

  • Juan Outtamany

    Of course there is a disparate impact. That is the point of living in such a community.

  • Earl Turner

    Get rid of section 8, return to public housing projects, and institute a zero tolerance policy. Screw up the first time, 1-year ban. Second time, 5-year ban. Third strike, lifetime ban. And by ban I mean ALL public assistance.

    • OlderWoman

      My building accepts some section 8 renters. You should see the trash that has moved in. They move in their relatives to squat without paying rent. Their grandchildren tear up the property and run wild throughout the complex. And, yes, they’re black. This was a wonderful place to live three years ago. It was predominately white. But, of course, we recently took in Muslims from Iran. The building is going to hell in a hand basket.

  • willbest

    My problem with such a policy is that I would have to increase rental rates by $25-75 a month on everybody to cover the cost of evicting petty criminals or those that are charged with a crime.

  • MarcB1969

    Everything put in place to maintain a stable civilization disproportionally affects NAM’s.

  • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

    “Evict tenants CHARGED with crimes?” What happened to conviction and due process and all that happy, fun white stuff?

  • Greg Thomas

    How about not renting to illegal invaders! God only knows how much crime these degenerates are responsible for, on top of breaking our immigration laws and violating our sovereignty.

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    Me? Defeatist? Whyever would you say that?

    No, in this case, it’s just intelligence guided by experience. I happen to think that in this case, the ordinances will be substantively ineffective but wind up making the city some money.

  • itdoesnotmatter

    Perhaps to keep out long rap sheet animals as this one?

    From website: Black on White Crime:

    400 Pound Black Miami Man Accused Of Anally Assaulting Toddler
    MIAMI – A 20-year-old Miami man has been arrested and charged with multiple counts of sexual battery on a child. Timothy Jeffrey Horne, 20, allegedly sexually assaulted a child for several years. According to the accuser, Horne, who is 6’1” and weighs 400 pounds, forced them towatch pornography on his telephone and then forced them to have anal sex when the victim was 3, 4, and five-years-old.