African-American’s Y Chromosome Sparks Shift in Evolutionary Timetable

Alan Boyle, NBC News, March 6, 2013

Scientists say an African-American male’s odd genetic signature suggests that the human Y chromosome’s lineage goes back further in time than they thought—perhaps due to interbreeding with other populations such as Neanderthals.

“This really upsets a lot of ideas, but at the same time, it’s understandable if we accept that human populations were structured in the past so that there were little pockets of diversity,” said Michael Hammer, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona who is one of the authors of a study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

The study focuses on the analysis of a DNA sample that was obtained from an African-American living in South Carolina and submitted to the Genographic Project, a National Geographic effort aimed at mapping human origins and migration. The funny thing about this sample is that it didn’t match up with any of the previously known genetic signatures for the Y chromosome, which is passed down from father to son.

“Nobody expected to find anything like this,” Hammer said in a news release.

A team led by Fernando Mendez, a researcher in Hammer’s lab, analyzed more than 240,000 DNA base pairs on the African-American’s Y chromosome. A comparison of the differences between the mystery genetic signature and previously known signatures led the team to conclude that the most recent common ancestor for the entire group lived about 338,000 years ago.

That goes further back than the fossil record goes for anatomically modern humans, Hammer said. “The fossil record speaks to 195,000 years or 200,000 years,” he said. It also goes further back than the previous date for the most recent common ancestor based on Y-chromosome analysis, which is in the range of 142,000 years.

The researchers followed up on their discovery by searching through a genetic database for African populations, and turned up 11 men from western Cameroon who had virtually the same genetic signature.

Hammer said there could be two explanations for the previously unidentified Y-chromosome type: Either the genetic heritage of anatomically correct humans really does go back much further than what’s reflected in the fossil record—or other populations, such as Neanderthals or the more recently identified Denisovans, interbred with modern humans. Anthropologists refer to that pattern of divergence followed by renewed interbreeding as introgression.

The results are “more consistent with introgression of an odd lineage,” Hammer told NBC News. Over the past few years, scientists have been coming around to the view that such interbreeding did take place early in the history of our species. Recent analysis of Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA has indicated that a part of their genetic heritage survives in modern-day humans.

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  • PBL

    At least we know who raped whom.

  • http://profiles.google.com/waepem hadley baxendale

    Uh-oh. Sounds like we are different species after all. We can cross-breed, of course, as can lions and tigers, as well as horses and donkeys. But it sure sounds like we are different species evolving in splendid isolation for perhaps 20,000 (!) generations. [at 15 years per generation] Not so surprising our psychological and physical makeup are so different.

    • brengunn

      [at 15 years per generation]

      Why are you measuring in ghetto generations?

      • Been There

        Ghetto generations are the same as jungle generations.

    • JDInSanDiego

      Imagine what the world would be like now if we couldn’t cross-breed?

      • MikeS

        Paradise.

        • Dent

          Peaceful in our own paradise without any scientific development though. In fact, the rate of progress would be 2 to 4 % per century.

          • MikeS

            I should have put my coffee down before reading your reply. You owe me a keyboard.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I guess that depends upon what you call progress. Seeing how things have turned out, I wish I was still living in a simple wood structure in Gaul like we did 2,500 years ago.

    • Uh-Oh

      It sure does.

      • Michael_C_Scott

        The term “species” is an artificial human-imposed definition, don’t you see?

        • Uh-Oh

          My comment is just there for comic effect — Mr. Baxendale started his post with “Uh-Oh”, probably unaware that it is my handle. BUT since I’m here, I’m aware that the term “species” is often mis-used by the media, but it’s my understanding that one of the genetic criteria for the term is that the life-form it’s applied to is either unable or unwilling to successfully mate with another species, even of the same genus. Baxendale suggests the possibility of a currently-evolving new “white” species. I had a friend long ago who used to say that they only way to get rid of racial discrimination is to have only one race — and he meant inter-breeding as opposed to extermination — but that wouldn’t work. Even if man somehow avoided accelerated human extinction as a result, we’d just get into the habit of re-defining what a “race” is, like we often do with “species” today. And even today, you still hear “the human race.”

    • Carlos Geary

      Species: Are genetically different and they cannot
      interbreed viable offspring. Animals, from different species, but closely
      related may be able to produce an offspring, but they cannot reproduce to
      create another of their kind. A mule cannot mate with another mule and produce
      a mule.

      Race: Are of the same species and can produce viable offspring. A European may
      look different from an African, but they are both still the same race and can interbreed
      viable offspring.

      • Triarius

        So can polar bears and grizzly bears, but are different species. The same can be said for Bengal and Siberian tigers, African and Indian elephants, countless fish, dolphins, and birds. There are hundreds of species that can interbreed and produce viable offspring. Whites are, at a minimum, a different sub-species simply by genetic difference.

        And even if that wasn’t true, I don’t care. I don’t want them as my neighbor or in my country. They are a virus regardless.

        • Sherman_McCoy

          I was thinking more “parasite,” actually.

          • Triarius

            Parasites latch on and mooch, usually not killing the host. A virus destroys. In hindsight I probably should have stuck with my usually “locust” reference. Tomato, tomoto.

        • Carlos Geary

          White & Blacks belong to the same specie, that is science. We cannot change scientific realities, because, some people that never took a genetic or anthropology course, do not like it. Sorry

          • Triarius

            White and black people have more genetic difference than some of the different species listed above. Sorry.

          • Carlos Geary

            Still belng to the same specie. Sorry. Education is the most important tool for social climbing.

          • Triarius

            You didn’t read it obviously. And your implication that I am uneducated couldn’t be further from the truth. I have graduated with honors from some of the best universities in the world. And with my education, I disagree about social climbing, it is who you know. Sorry.

          • Carlos Geary

            My dear, go to school again.

          • Genetics Student

            I have a degree in genetics thank you and can answerthis question in a simple allegory.

            Tigers and lions DO interbreed because they belong to the feline genus, their genus speci, is big cats and therefore are genetically compatible to interbreed to create crossbreeds. These crossbreeds are not a ‘race’ but a species of their own.

            If you read Darwin, I’d expect you to know that the father of the theroy of Evolution makes jokes how “If a European and a Negro were taken to a taxonomist with no prior knowlege of either, he would classify them as completly separate species.”.(decent of man 226)

            Further, simply because all types of bears, i.e. all species of bear can interbreed that does not make the bear one species, and many subspecies. That makes ursines one genus and bears many species.

            Now say that to my face that all hominids are the same species but whites and blacks have “radically different genome structure”, while polar bears and panda bears can interbreed and also have readially different genome structures.

            We are precieved as the same species because of ethnopolitics and liberal victim politics

          • Carlos Geary

            Blacks & whites do not belong to different species.

          • Carlos Geary

            The author of Homo Erectus Walks Amoung ,us” is not an anthropologist. Is just another ignorant!

          • Wayne

            Read Origen of Species. Race is synonymous to “breed”. There are hundreds of breeds of dogs, but one species. Those breeds are very different in intelligence, speed, size, disposition, etc. It is pure breeds that are prized and valuable for useful work. Letting you husky breed with a chihuahua would produce uselessness.

          • Jaego

            Wolves and Dogs can interbreed too. So in that sense they are the same species. But no one pretends they are the same: they have a different hormone levels and thus a very different temperment.

          • Carlos Geary

            Of course I read Origen of Species. I was born in Europe, and that book is
            mandatory in high school. Charles Darwin’s ideas were misunderstood by the Social Darwinists. I know than European civilization, developed later than others, but that does not make Europeans inferior. Many people believe in racial myths, which bear no relationship to the reality of human capabilities or behavior. If a white person wants to marry white is not racism, if you are only attracted to your own race. My wife & me, we both have red hair! However, to assign some groups a perpetual low status due to their race is more than ignorance is insanity! Western Civilization could not have thrived without the valuable accomplishment of previous non-European civilizations.

      • hastings88

        Does not refute the importance of race in creatures so complex as homo sapiens.

      • TheAntidote

        Okay pal, whatever you say. A chihuahua and a timber wolf are the same species and can interbreed viable offspring; same for a grass carp and and a koi; same for a Clydesdale and a zebra mare. Both species and races are “genetically different”.

      • Bantu_Education

        You’re spouting the PC line – Darwin gave a number of exceptions to this rule and said that the various human races should be considered different species. There are so many physical and mental differences – far more than say between red and grey squirrels which cannot live together.

  • BonusGift

    “‘Nobody expected to find anything like this,’ Hammer said in a news release.” Maybe not in cultural marxist academialand, but here on planet Earth they do actually look and act primitive relative to the other races. Although, give them a teleprompter and close your eyes and I have been told that they can sound rather comforting to KoolAid drinking socialists and RINOs.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aunti-Occupy/100003232140389 Aunti Occupy

      Blacks are human?

    • NM156

      How long until public funding mysteriously dries up for genetic research at universities, no matter the high cost to the advancement of medical science and to the elimination of disease?

    • StillModerated

      Well, I don’t know about the genetics, but this is what Benjamin Franklin had to say about blacks in a letter to Granville Sharp: the majority of Africans are of a plotting disposition, dark, sullen, malicious, revengeful and cruel in the highest degree.

      He was making a case against slavery.

      When London Was Capital of America, by Julie Flavell, p. 222

      • 48224

        Ben Franklin was a very, very, very smart man. Didn’t he…. invent Bi-focal glasses, the pot belly “Franklin” stove, discover electricity, started the first post office in the US? And he didn’t have a positive view of blacks?….the hell you say!

        • StillModerated

          If only he could peer out from under the gingko tree and see just how well the freed slaves are running his beloved Postal Service today.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          Franklin stoves are not “pot bellied” types. Look it up.

      • Carlos Geary

        When the romans took celts & germanic people as slave, they said exactly the same thing! Slaves ussually plot agains their master.

        • http://valeofdarkness.blogspot.com/ ValeofIgnorance

          Yeah, and look what happened to the Romans.

          • Wayne

            Slavery was not the undoing of Rome. Rather it was immorality, unrestrained immigration, cheapening of citizenship and Christianity.

          • Al Gator

            Wayne, you forgot the dole. Romans were big on the dole for the immigrants and other indolents who came from all corners of the empire, to grab the goodies.

            And like senators today, Roman senators pandered to that crowd.

            History repeats.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            No, Roman citizens got bread for free, that is all. You’ll have to go elsewhere for better comparisons, but there are plenty of them.

          • StillModerated

            I disagree strongly, Christianity was the salt that retarded the corruption of the Western Empire. The Eastern Empire, Byzantium, lasted another 1000 years. Do your homework!

          • Wayne

            Edward Gibbon did my homework for me, professor.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            You do yours. Read the classic and ruling history of the fall; Edward Gibbon’s “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.” He squarely blames it on Christianity. Far from retarding corruption it promoted superstition and its leaders fought incessantly. Arius of Alexandria was poisoned by a Nazarine Christian when Emperor Constantine was set to return him to the conclave (Constantine was an Arian Christian). There were other factors, but the increase of superstition and the overwhelming concern with issues like the impending end of the world promoted disorder and chaos. The rise of illiteracy and decline of learning; early Christians believed that numbers were Satanic. You ought to read up on the death at the hands of a Christian mob of Hapatia in Alexandria. If not for the suppression of Christianity later on, Europe would have rediscovered or perhaps never forgot that the world was round, used practical philosophy as the basis of scientific discovery sooner, and avoided a thousand years of religious civil wars that killed hundreds of thousands, some calculate millions, let alone avoided the Christian reign of terror known as the Inquisitions.

            You’ve been taught lies by Christian apologists.

          • Carlos Geary

            Slavery is inmorality.

          • Carlos Geary

            Slavery is inmorality

        • Wayne

          Actually, Greek, Gaulic, Getmanic and other slaves did nearly all of the artisan work and teaching of Roman children. Of course those were from advanced civilizations, not Africa.

          • Carlos Geary

            The greeks slaves were the teachers.

        • StillModerated

          The Romans never took any Germans as slaves. They barely managed to cross the Rhine River. However, the Alemani cut a deal with the Romans when the Empire went into decline, fought a lot of their military battles and campaigns, and were ultimately rewarded with vast tracts of land in Northern Spain. Furthermore, the Romans occupied neither Scotland nor Ireland, and had a great deal of difficulty with the Welsh. And Boadicea, queen of the Iceni defeated the Romans at Colchester (Camelodunum).

          What dubious books have you been reading, Carlos?

          • 1rw

            Yes, and then proceeded to get slaughtered by the Romans at Watling Street. Roman occupation of Britain then continued apace.

            While Germans and Celts and such where fierce warriors, Romans were excellent soldiers who understood war on a strategic and operational level to a higher degree than the barbarians, and at least as well on the tactical level.

            It is only when the empire became decadent that the Romans became too lazy to fight their own battles

          • Michael_C_Scott

            The Romans didn’t like going north of The Wall. Every man and every horse would be eaten within a fortnight after they strayed into Pictish territory.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Why not, when Christians get to eat Jesus every Sunday for sure?

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            The Romans took Anglos (I mean people of the Angle tribe) as slaves. A famous comment was made by an early Christian leader that they had to be converted because they looked like “angels.” Also, Vandals were allowed to settle in the region of Spain known since as Andalusia. Visigoths settled themselves there later. By the time of the Moorish invasion, Spain was a Celto-Germanic, somewhat Romanized region. But trade with North Africa had existed since much earlier times.

            A number of German tribes fought under the Roman standard as mercenaries at first and its actual leaders and army next. The sack of Rome was over unpaid wages and unfulfilled promises of lands for settlement. All this was forced by the invasions of Huns in the East. It was a German leader Odoacer that became the King of Italy (476). Suggest a review of Gibbon’s “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.”

            You do know that Boadicea was captured and her people slaughtered by the Romans, as a result of her ambush don’t you?

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Sounds like they found some traits not seen in Denisovans nor in Neanderthals…Homo Erectus perhaps? I can see it…

    • Joseph

      “‘Nobody expected to find anything like this,’ Hammer said in a news release.”

      This is just a part of the liberal news toolkit. Everytime they finally have to release some bad news about a liberal pet program it sounds like that. “There was an *unexpected* downturn in the economy”. “In *unexpected* news, Project Head Start has failed to benefit the targeted children” etc.

    • Lygeia

      I expected this.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VGPASMCMPNEWRSR652OTXXG36A Nikolas Sfantos

    It’s clear that Europeans and sub-Saharan Africans have a common ancestor being though we can reproduce, but the genetic similarity is far less than the mainstream media would have us believe. The genetic distance between the races of man is much greater than that between the breeds of dog, and anyone who has experience with dogs knows what a huge difference breed makes, not only in physical appearance but also in behavior and intelligence.

    • http://twitter.com/BillEBOBB1 Bill E. BOBB

      A common ancestor in the same way that chimpanzees and humans have a common ancestor? Maybe not that far back, but pretty far I’m guessing.

      • JohnEngelman

        Around six million years ago, the most famous speciation of all occurred – the divergence of the lineage that eventually led to modern humans from the lineage that led to chimpanzees (1) (2) (3). That speciation initiated the evolutionary process that led to the divergence of mankind from our nearest living cousin, the chimpanzee.
        http://www.evolutionpages.com/homo_pan_divergence.htm

        • David Ashton

          Evolutionary processes were responsible for the diverse lineages of humans after they entered the sapiens stage. In theory, global panmixia would curb this process and gradually eliminate specialized variations, resulting in a regression to a less developed collective phenotype.

          • brengunn

            Are you saying we’re destined to go the way of the feral pigeon!?

            There is no way to stop a ‘global panmixia’ in the days of international travel and semi open borders. Instead, I have hopes for genetic modifications through science rather than natural selection.

          • http://twitter.com/BillEBOBB1 Bill E. BOBB

            very enlightening

  • The__Bobster

    Scientists say an African-American male’s odd genetic signature suggests that the human Y chromosome’s lineage goes back further in time than they thought—perhaps due to interbreeding with other populations such as Neanderthals.
    _________

    I’m confused. Didn’t a recent study show that there was no caveman DNA in Congoids?

    • CaptainCroMag

      Yes. There is no Neanderthal DNA in sub-Saharan Africans, except those Africans that have mixed with Eurasians. He was saying that some other species interbred with west Africans and used Neanderthals as a broad example. There have been a few studies that have found that west Africans have as much as 13 percent archaic admixture, but we don’t know what they mixed with because we don’t have the DNA to compare it with, like we do with Neanderthals and Denisovans.

      So from what we know so far, we are all hybrids, but every race has mixed with different archaic lineages. Eurasians are all part Neanderthal and Australoids are part Neanderthal plus Denisovan. And Congoids are mixed with something unknown, maybe something similar to homo heidelbergensis:

      http://shadowness.com/file/item3/58292/image.jpg

      • TheTruthHurts4

        When I look at that picture I want to say, “That’s him, Officer. I’m sure of it.”

      • TheTruthHurts4
        • StillModerated

          Great lipstick!

        • NM156

          Yep, he be crunkin’…

        • jeffaral

          Loved the pics! Keep them coming!

        • http://twitter.com/BillEBOBB1 Bill E. BOBB

          looks like the rivalry between the crips and the bloods goes back a long ways

          • TheTruthHurts4

            With blacks time stopped a long time ago. There has been no evolution since.

        • Joseph

          If Obongo had a son…

          I couldn’t restrain myself.

        • Bantu_Education

          Mugabe, but without the Hitler moustache.

      • http://www.jackswar.com/ C. C. Conrad

        I am not familiar with the science behind this but I am wondering, does this mean that blacks were a social construct back then too? Have you ever noticed that the anti-whites never say that a “social construct” took the Indians land from them?!

      • Jessup K. Crabtree

        That introgression appears to be surprisingly recent- hybridization with late pleistocene paleo-humans that were estimated to survive in Africa until 13,000 years ago. I’ve read up to 20% admixture. But that estimate will likely rise as more existing, isolated african populations are tested. The article says “the most recent common ancestor for the entire group lived about 338,000 years ago”, but that could be up to 581,000 years. That’s a lot of divergence.

      • rightrightright

        Oh yuk. Did you have to put that up? He’s got blood on his teeth. My Lab disposes of rabbits less messily.

      • Carlos Geary

        American Indians, also have neanderthal genes.

    • brutaltruth

      Interbreeding can’t be conclusively ruled out, but for the most part has been.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9474109/Neanderthals-did-not-interbreed-with-humans-scientists-find.html

  • Athling

    As I said, Africans have very old and primitive DNA substructures. Science will eventually prove this but may not publicize the findings. Might upset the miscegenists.

  • New Rise

    This isn’t saying that all blacks have this type. Quite to contrary, all other studies have found blacks to flow from the same y-chromosomal Adam that has been traditionally believed to have lived around 125,000 years ago.

    • http://twitter.com/BillEBOBB1 Bill E. BOBB

      So homo sapiens had western names 125,000 years ago?

      • Sherman_McCoy

        More a description than a name, I would think.

  • http://www.wfdcenter.org/index Dave Trader

    Monkeys make better parents than africans. They don’t rape and kill them constantly. I would also live with wild monkeys before i would live around the napa.

  • a multiracial individual

    Are most biological scientists true believers? If so, how? This is like being a geologist and still being a creationist.

    • Sherman_McCoy

      Yes, blacks are the best evidence for evolution. Or in their case, devolution.

  • Zimriel

    Question. Can we verify that this person’s paternal ancestor is even African? How far back does his genealogical tree go? (Mine goes only to about 1820 or so, mainly because I stink at genealogy.)

    It could be that this Y chromosome is white or Middle Eastern / Berber.

    • Guest

      No, it can’t be. This particular Y has ONLY been seen in this one black guy and 11 other guys in Cameroon [Africa]. Whites, middle easterners and Berbers have totally different Y chromosomes from this one, per the article.

      • Zimriel

        Thanks, that answered my question. I’d misunderstood that part about Cameroon. Yeah, not many Berbers as far south as Cameroon.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      My Y chromosome is Orkney islands, all the way back to “something else” during the last ice age.

  • APaige

    Is the Y chromosome a social construct? Or is there a biological reason it is passed on to the next generation?

    • StillModerated

      You need to ask Al Gore, he had some sort of Y-chromosome faux pas.

  • http://twitter.com/BillEBOBB1 Bill E. BOBB

    I love these stories, each one gets us a little closer to declaring the negriod a separate species from human beings

    • Tyrone Ooks

      I’m sure a lot of negroid information has made it’s way into a hidden file cabinet.

  • LastBastionOfHope

    Any time you hear some idiot claiming that races don’t exist or that we are all the same, use the dog example. Say, “So you are telling me Pit Bulls are the same as Golden Retrievers?”. Sure they are both dogs, but they have very different temperaments, build, and strength. Now back to race. Sure we are both humans, but blacks have very different temperaments, build, and are way more aggressive. And just as certain dog breeds are smarter than others, blacks excel with physicality, but not anything involving higher-order thinking. Would you call someone a “breedist” for suggesting that Pit Bulls are more muscular and more dangerous than Poodles?

    • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

      Dr. Raymond Coppinger, who pioneered the “accidental – trash dump” theory of dog domestication, contends that the human breeding of dogs into specific breeds for specific purposes is an example of “Nazi eugenics.”

      • jeffaral

        Nazi eugenics sounds good to me.

      • Djangotamer

        Eugenics has been around far longer than when the Nazis discovered the concept.

    • refocus

      Someone from the British Isles would say, would swear that Pit Bulls are the same as Golden Retrievers.

      • brengunn

        I don’t.

      • rightrightright

        Not this English someone. Strange remark, yours. My placid and efficient chocolate Lab could not be more different from my nervy Whippet cross who thinks he is Napoleon. We can tell breeds apart and not just dogs.

        I can’t find the link but read somewhere that dogs in sub-Saharan Africa are closer to the wolf than other dogs as Africans never raised them into different breeds for work. I am not surprised.

    • a multiracial individual

      Border collies and retrievers are the most intelligent breeds of dog. Afghan hounds are toward the bottom. Scientists have no problem speaking about differences in dog intelligence. They are the same species, and they share more DNA than humans do. Yet they have different average cognitive ability….hmmm..

      • StillModerated

        Say, you wouldn’t be insinuating that Euro dogs are brighter than Third World dogs, are you?

        BTW, the Romans favored British dogs on the grounds that they were the best hunters.

      • a pure White individual

        Exactly and you’re a mutt indeed “mutiracial”. I like your honesty here for once.

        • a multiracial individual

          Ha! You didn’t appreciate my honesty before? Who says there is something wrong with being a mutt? I don’t experience any grief about it. People forget, these are just averages. There will always be overlap and outliers. While most border collies are more intelligent than most mutts, there will always be a few mutts that are more intelligent than most border collies.

          • brengunn

            There’s such a thing as being too pure, at least where dogs are concerned. All those poor kennel club breeds with congenital defects due to inbreeding in the stock. All to preserve the desired (unnatural) traits. It’s clear that a little bit of diversity in the gene pool is healthy.

            Give me a Jack Russel mutt any day over any of those monstrosities they call pure breds.

          • Sherman_McCoy

            And I loved my mixed Maine Coon, orange Tabby cat. But y’all can keep the mulatto in the WHite House.

          • Joseph

            “All to preserve the desired (unnatural) traits.”

            No, it is artificial selection of *natural* traits. Few who own Labradors or Collies think of them as “monstrosities”. They are simply selected for predictable traits desirable to the owner.

            Ashkenazis are susceptible to Tay-Sachs but inherently more intelligent. High IQ is genetically linked in some cases to nearsightedness. It is a tradeoff.

          • brengunn

            Yes, I went overboard there. I meant pure breeds like a pug nose bull dog which can hardly breathe and die of heat exhaustion in the summertime because the breeders and owners want a cute nose or German Shepherds that have been bred with a sloping back which ruins their hips and causes difficulty walking. Dalmatians too, have all sorts of genetic defects that can be bred out in a generation or two if they are mixed with a common pointer. They will also regain their distinctive looks but the kennel clubs won’t allow it.

            The point about the Jews is fair, inbreeding has clearly been beneficial to them. Yet, if it caused them physical pain and suffering just to be a Jew, I doubt they’d carry it on.

      • JoePatriot12345

        I used to have an Afghan hound when I was a kid. He was dumb as rocks but it was funny…

      • Bantu_Education

        “Afghan hounds are toward the bottom.”

        They must be Muslims too.

      • Michael_C_Scott

        We have a fox, who’s very smart. All dog breeds have different traits. Poodles are quite intelligent and easy to train. Schnauzers bark a lot but are absolute murder on rats and mice. Dalmatians need attention all the time. Welsh Corgis are good for hunting rabbits. The Komondore, a.k.a. the Hungarian mop dog is I suspect the most intelligent.

        They’re all very different from each other, but nobody finds this threatening or even strange.

    • Carlos Geary

      Worldwide is accepted that there are only three races: White, Black & Mongoloid, this last one includes both asiatic and indians from North/Central/South

      • Lygeia

        Hispanics are actually Asian. Asian and white, Asian and black, or Asian and American Indian.

        • Carlos Geary

          No, no and no. I was born in Ireland more than 80 yrs ago, but I lived in other parts of Europe and also 20 yrs in Uruguay (South America). Just, google “German emigration to South America”, “Irish emigration to Argentina”, Welsh emigration to Argentina”, “Dutch emigration to Brazil”, “German Emigration to Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Paraguay”. You will find plenty of information

  • Don

    When I was a young boy, my daddy said “blacks are subhumans” he also said “the blacks mate with chimps” was my daddy lying to me?

    • Guest

      I’d phrase it “sub-species” with whites being another sub-species. Humans come in several separate sub-species that we’re supposed to call “races”, but we’re all still human since we can procreate together. Think bulldog vs sheepdog, not giraffe vs frog.

    • MobyWhite

      “Today, Whites are so afraid of Racism, they’d rather their daughters be robbed, kidnapped, beaten, tortured, mutilated, infected, burned, and brutally murdered than for anyone to use Racism to save White lives.”

      R.J.DeV.

    • David Ashton

      Just mistaken.

      • Sherman_McCoy

        Understandably so.

    • libertarian 1234

      “……was my daddy lying to me?”

      I’m afraid so, Don.

      Chimps have too much pride in themselves for that.

    • Carlos Geary

      Impossible. IHumans have 23 pairs of chromosomes while chimpanzees have 24, no viable offsprings.

  • bigone4u

    I’d rather be living in a biracial society with Neanderthals as the other race than to be forced to live mixed with the putrid evolutionary mistake called the black race.

  • Snowhitey

    No wonder they can’t catch up with us, let alone keep up with us. We truly are light years ahead of them. So, when one asks “when are blacks finally going to act civilized?” you can answer with all honesty “in about 337,500 years.”

  • Johnwharl

    Does this explain why black men are more masculine than white men ?

    • Jerrybear

      Sure. Too much testosterone makes you stupid and violent.

      • Johnwharl

        And too little testosterone makes white males wussies and Jerry Sanduskies.

        • Bozo

          Africans have invented a cure against aids. Raping infants.
          Must be a lack of testosterone according to Dr.Wharl

    • Triarius

      Yet seem to be absent from Strongman competitions as well as cross fit.

    • HaroldWesterling

      If by “masculine” you mean dialed up on the “ook ook” factor…then the answer is yes!

      • Sherman_McCoy

        As in “apelike?”

      • Johnwharl

        Ask Sarah Palin what masculine means,she has first hand knowledge.

  • Johnwharl

    After watching the super bowl and counting on one hand number of white players on the
    field,it was obvious who the real men are and who the ‘almost men’ are.

    • Commonsense80

      It can read but can’t understand. Instead of responding to the findings in a reasonable and respectable manner it appears to prefer insulting the studying group based on professional football prowess and numbers. Interesting R strategist tactic.

    • whiteuncleruckus

      The MVP of that game was a White male. And all of your wild, african beast football players were being told what to do by two White male coaches. Oh yes, one more thing, football was invented by White males and never could possibly have been invented by such a primitive and inferior race as africans.

      • Johnwharl

        It was invented by whites,yet whites suck at it.Pathetic isn’t it ?

        • Bantu_Education

          Of course it was invented by whites – blacks never invented anything, except perhaps some disgustingly sadistic torture methods.

          • jtkayLA

            Don’t forget that CPT was an exclusively black innovation. Give credit where credit’s due.

    • Joseph

      After watching any chess tournament, it is obvious who the real homo sapiens are and who are “almost sapient”. Lessee there has been exactly ONE black chess grandmaster in the world -and fully half of the chess pieces are black! How do you explain that?

    • jtkayLA

      Yes, well, perhaps you also appreciate the superior physical prowess of all the “athletes” who’ve taken part in the Pan-African Machete Olympics over the past decades.

  • hastings88

    I’m not surprised at all. Black Africans have always seemed like a different species to me, not only because of appearance, but also because of cognitive abilities and temperament.

  • hastings88

    So what if we have a common ancestor. Human beings and fish have a common ancestor–a vertebrate worm.

  • brutaltruth

    Scientists recently ruled out interbreeding between Neanderthals and “humans.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9474109/Neanderthals-did-not-interbreed-with-humans-scientists-find.html

    • Michael_C_Scott

      They recently decided all non-Africans ran about 4% Neanderthal or Denisovian. Get with the… err.. “modern” age.

      • brutaltruth

        It wasn’t due to interbreeding, it was more likely due to a common ancestor (as the first sentence in the article states). The discovery of “Ardi” was a big breakthrough.

        http://news.discovery.com/history/archaeology/ardi-human-ancestor.htm

        You would know this if you read more and typed less. Or is that what the “modern age” does?

        • Endangered Species

          So what they are asserting in those articles is that the Modern Human (North-East African Caucasoid) and the Neanderthal had a common Ancestor that was not shared by the Negroid Africans? If so, Eureka! What a revelation! That answers the question that has confounded me since 2010 as to where the Neanderthals originated and why the Neanderthal genes were not present in the pure Negroid population of Africa but in the North-East African Caucasoid population which just happened to be the one which migrated out of Africa into the rest of the world. (“African Americans” are not pure Negroid any more due to considerable mixing of the American gene pool over time and do have the Neanderthal genes due to mixing with Europeans). So two migrations by two Species (or if you like, sub-species) of the same origin at different times in history. Makes total sense now and confirms that Caucasoids and Negroids are not that closely related.at all. Different Common Ancestor. What could be more defining of Species than that? Dogs and cats have different common ancestors. If this is not what those Scientists are asserting and I am missing something over here and if I am on the wrong track then please enlighten me in a sensible non-hysteric way.

          • brutaltruth

            African lineage is basically the result of a genetic defect. Without the Neanderthal DNA, Africans lack the genetic code to develop into the advanced humans we know today. Essentially, they’re stuck on the evolutionary ladder, and even though they can be shown how to develop, they can’t do it on their own. This has been proven throughout history. Without the helping hand of people with Neanderthal DNA, true Africans are nothing more than glorified chimps. Maybe you can teach them to smoke a cigarette, flip for a banana, or even sign language, but they’ll never develop beyond their instinctual code.

            The entire population of the world which contains Neanderthal DNA is the organ grinder, leaving the Africans left with nothing but dance moves to entertain them.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          I know, but that was part of my joke about “Something Else”.

  • Johnwharl

    There was a scientist whose name escapes right now,who discovered that all white males
    carry the pedophilia gene.

    • Triarius

      Then why is pedophilia at a much higher rate with blacks and middle easterners? I’m not sure what the scientist’s name was, but I bet he was from Narnia.

      • Sherman_McCoy

        Not from Narnia. Probably that retarded Black Muzzie hero called what? Jackoff?

  • Triarius

    More proof that backs up common sense. Funny how liberals are so quick to be pro-science until it refutes their fairytale beliefs. We are different species, whites and blacks.

  • KenelmDigby

    As far as I know, there never has been a discovery of Neanderthal bones in Africa.

  • ConcernedYoungAmerican

    Wait, wait, wait…so I’ve always been willing to accept that we came from a common hominid ancestor and then evolved independently throughout Afro-Eurasia, but now science may prove that the white man isn’t necessarily related to blacks?!
    HALLELUJAH!!!

    • Joseph

      If this were found to be irrefutably true, it would just be a liberal launching pad for yet another level of special rights, protections and reparations to be doled out to these dangerous troglodytes.

  • Endangered Species

    The misconception that most people in the world labour under is that the whole of Africa is homogenous as far as the population is concerned. This is in fact not so. There are a number of sub-species on the Continent. They have clearly identifiable physical traits and look and act totally different from one another and this is the core reason for all the genocide that has in the past and is currently taking place in Africa. The three main groups are the Hutu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutu the Tutsi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutsi_people and the Horn of Africa peoples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_of_Africa who all hate one another and generally kill one another virtually on sight. The “Out of Africa migration into Europe and the rest of the world took place from The Horn of Africa in North-East Africa by a people totally different from your “African Americans” who were from the West Coast and are mostly Hutus sold to the slave traders either by Tutsis or their own Tribal Chieftains. The Horn of Africa peoples are Caucasoid and the Hutus are Negroid. Negroids were not part of the migration into Europe. I quote the Wikipedia “The recent single origin of modern humans in East Africa is the near-consensus position held within the scientific community” The European people are not devolved from the Negroids of West and Central Africa but from the Caucasoids of North-East Africa. That might explain the American racial classification of people of Arab extraction as “white” As a member of a very endangered species in South Africa today I witness the Hutu vs Tutsi vs All Others on an ongoing daily basis. The most base and vile criminal acts of violence against my people are carried out with total impunity after we were stupid enough to hand over power to them. Our president even sings a song “kill the boer,kill the farmer” in public and then defends his right to do so. This is incitement to genocide. It cannot be termed anything else. So if you are wondering whether your black population will treat you with the same consideration with which you are currently treating them when they soon become the majority in your country? Forget it. Not going to happen.

    • Johnwharl

      If Blacks gave white same considerations whites gave Blacks,it would be 300 years of
      slavery,murder,rape of Black women,lynchings.I think whites deserve same,don’t you
      think ?

      • Joseph

        You seem to have missed the part in his posting addressing the constant intertribal war and slavery from pre-history continuing to this day and not attributable to whites.

        Remove first the log that is in the eye of thine own race then shalt thou see clearly to remove the speck from the eye of the white race.

        The blacks who were fortunate enough to leave the disastrous continent of Africa were far better off than those who remain. But please, we want no more. They escaped their cages and are wreaking havoc here just as they do there.

      • Endangered Species

        And this in your warped and twisted mind would be the right thing to do? You are obviously a mentally unbalanced barbarian. You have no basis for your point of departure. You are using a construct developed to trigger “The Guilt” in whites as a means of defending the indefensible. The whites fought a war amongst themselves about those issues and abolished those practices and have legislated against themselves in favour of other races to the extent that they are wiping themselves out. . Your media has so addled your excuse for a brain that that type of justification probably seems right to you. You are a sad example of humanity. Go away.

    • Lygeia

      Please get you country back.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-McConnell/563448640 Michael McConnell

    This is just more proof that blacks are not truly human. Just because they speak and can mate with humans doesn’t them one of us. Time after time, no matter where they go, they bring down the neighborhood/city to the level of a third world cesspool.

  • 43wewe

    i sometimes have to wonder how many amren commentators are on the autism spectrum

  • gssfsf

    it almost reads like niggermania or chimpout in these comments

    great job amren, you’re sure doing well to appeal to more people!

  • scutum

    Africans are simply a modern version of Homoerectus.

  • Johnwharl

    Does this explain why black men chase after women and white males chase after little boys
    ala Jerry Sandusky ?

    • libertarian 1234

      No, but it does explain part of the reason blacks are mentally deficient compared to the other races.

  • Carlos Geary

    We whites have a wonderful
    culture. I WOULD LIKE to READ ARTICLES, about
    the APPALACHIAN CULTURE. also, about the INVENTIONS & TECHNOLOGICAL CONTRIBUTIONS of WHITE AMERICANS WHICH have lead to significant improvements in the standard of living for all AMERICANS, and the WORLD. I WOULD LIKE TO READ about SCHOLARSHIPS for POOR WHITES KIDS. Education is very important and we must dedicate our lives to growing as much as we can & to learning as much as we can.
    Sometimes when we try to fight for our rights, we frequently resort to criticizing, condemning and lowering others, instead of focusing in providing affordable education for our youths.
    In order to have big families, we need affordable medical care. With the aim of making ourselves look better,we put other people down. However, this is not the way to get ahead or to climb in the social ladder as an individual, a group, or a race. It is very difficult in life to accept our own responsibility, our own mistakes, let us examine what we can do to solve the problem, without putting other people down. Let “Do to others as you would have them do to you.” Luke 6:31 I am an old man, but I would like to see children going to college

  • Michael_C_Scott

    I am being actively prevented from posting here via Disqus.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    Finding “Neanderthal” genes in African Americans when it has been solidly proved that Neanderthals were not in Africa and Africans missed out on likely helpful mutations helping along both intellect and the immune systems of Asians and Europeans can only really mean that these African American samples were adulterated with non-African genes. African Americans are NOT pure Africans. How this research parlays this into some new meaning just because an earlier marker is also found isn’t as scientifically based as it seems politically motivated.