Racism as a Zero-Sum Game

NPR, July 13, 2011

A new Harvard Business School study reveals that whites believe discrimination against them is rising, and that it’s more prevalent than racism toward blacks. Host Michel Martin continues the conversation about anti-white bias with the study’s co-author Michael Norton and Color Blind author Tim Wise.

[Editor’s Note: View the original study here.]

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  • jack in chicago

    Please make respectful, but accurate comments about Tim Wise’s hatred of White Americans on the NPR comment section:

    http://goo.gl/9gRRY

  • sbuffalonative

    The following are semi-quotes:

    ‘White people confuse not being able to speak their opinions openly with being oppressed.’

    ‘Whites believe one job given to a black man means one less job for a white man’

    ‘Craft and deliver a counter narrative’

    Whites are losing their majority status so they are being marginalized and displaced.

    There are always a finite number of jobs so giving a job to one person who claims victim status does mean another person doesn’t get that job.

    As for crafting a counter narrative to the ‘belief’ that whites are being marginalized is simply another term for brainwashing.

    Mr. Wise would like to craft a new way to explain to whites why what they’re experiencing is either in their paranoid minds or since it is real, why they need to accept the new status quo.

    Mr. Wise, who likes to stress that he is ‘white’, has a profound hatred for whites and dreams of the day ‘their hearts will stop beating’.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I was the victim of discrimination by a black supervisor (affirmative action hire without a doubt due to his limited vocabulary and basic organizational skills). I was run out of my job and luckily found a spot in another department (where I am considered the top performer by the administration there, I might add).

    He showed favortism to the black, female employees, to the point where he would give them positive ratings based on NO work observations. Ironically, he was biased against latinos, also, but had a special hatred for the three Asian workers we had. I mean he raked them over the coals for no good reason.

    I found out he was removed from his position for incompetence one year after 40% of us in the dept. left or transferred. Now I work for a latino supervisor, who makes no bones about only wanting people around who will work “for his people” (latinos).

    And thus I feel stifled at work and I know my position is precarious, all based on my being a white male. I want to ask liberals why we white Americans HAD to give up our country and become a persecuted minority. What purpose is it serving? Who will send aid to Haiti and everywhere else when there are no more white people in places of power?

  • Mike Harrigan

    How can so much idiocy come from one mouth (wise)? Its the same thing whenever I hear him talk. He says a lot without saying anything. In fact he seemed somewhat reserved here. He usually rambles on and on. Especially when he has an informed opponent, like Mr Taylor. It appears he want’s as much airtime as possible to himself. Maybe to give his opponent less time to blow his arguments out of the water.

    As far as this particular “debate” goes? Looks like 3 leftists gathered to discuss another issue. As usual we hear one side of the argument from npr. How surprising.

  • Duran Dahl

    I find it nigh impossible to tolerate the effeminate whine of those lefty “elite university” mouth-pieces who always have the means to insulate themselves from the consequences of their treasonous machinations. They are “technical whites” and have no connection with their folk. Of course, the ship-wrecking system compensates them well for their perfidy.I assume that Tim Wise will boogie back to the Levant when the situation gets too hot for him in the States. As for the rest of us, we will fight or die…one way or the other.

    “We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality” Ayn Rand

  • Anonymous

    These guys are “Diversity” politics apologists, nothing more.

    Full of outrageous scenarios, these guys don’t think the huge white unempolyment rates of the Great Depression never happened.

    “Color Blind?” These guys are white cancelers.

    Their message is, “Don’t complain about it, when you are passed by for an less qualified minority, or lose your job to an H1B holder from India. To do so is to be expecting that America is a meritocracy. No, it is a socially engineered Marxist state where your perceptions must be adjusted for you to fit in to your diminishing role and rights.

  • Anonymous

    I won’t waste my time slogging through that podcast, since I already know how it’s gonna turn out: Wise will site cherry-picked studies (like the highly scientific one where a single resume with a white name was sent out to a certain number of employers, and a single resume with a black name was sent to as many – the same? – employers, and the white name got some 20% more responses), hurriedly rattle of a bunch of obtuse statistics, and go on about white privilege and about how ignorant and uneducated most of the (white) masses are to not know this, all done in a condescending tone. It’s how he’s always done it.

  • Southron

    I read that Timmy got his “anti-racist” education from something called the “People’s Institute.” Also he’s struck up a friendship with Angela Davis, the black Communist Party activist of 1960s fame.

    It seems that Timmy loves Red folks about as much as he hates white folks.

  • Anonymous

    Of course, they have to trot out Tim Wise! I did some research on Tim Wise’s background and it turns out that he holds a Bachelors degree that he was barely able to achieve due to mediocre grades at Tulane University. Yet, this scheister has found a way to use his own “white guilt” to bankroll himself.

    So, my challenge to Tim Wise is this: Take 3/4 of all of the money you have earned at seminars and speaking engagements bashing Whites and donate it to Black causes! I say “black causes” because this whole charade has more to do with blacks than any other group.

    If you truly practice what you preach, then you’ll do it Tim. It’s time to put up or shut up!

  • Ron

    Interesting the length blacks will go in order to escape other blacks so that they can live amongst Whites. For all their crying about Whites being a bunch of evil racists scheming to keep them from reaching their full potential, their actions sure don’t match their paranoid rhetoric.

  • Tim in Indiana

    Well, I must confess I couldn’t make it all the way through the whole smarmy piece. Ever hear of the “free enterprise system” in which people are judged based on their ability rather than their skin color? Of course it’s a “zero sum game” because when the top performers rise to the top, others will end up closer to the bottom. The alternative is communism in which a few leaders are at the top and everyone else is underneath.

    Also, isn’t it nice how “balanced” this interview was? Two interviewees agreeing with each other with softball questions lobbed by the host. Our government handlers obviously control the whole game. Another reason why NPR is so deadly dull.

  • Anonymous

    It’s good they can all agree about white privilege: Tim Wise, the researcher here and the NPR radio personality. Apparently they think Radio, TV, Books, Music, Movies, Classrooms, Government edicts and Newspapers and Magazines, are not enough to get out the proper word about minority dispossession and white privilege. They’re not enough. More must be done to get folks thinking the right way. White thinking they are ‘oppressed’ is just a delusion of some kind. Good thing they got on top of things and figured out whats really going on. We can all relax now.

  • Anonymous

    The AmRen White Community needs to support and encourage Tim Wise.

    We all know that the Whiteys with the most White privilege are those who force Diversity upon us while protecting themselves from it. They live in expensive White neighborhoods, attend White country clubs, enjoy Whites only vacations in Whites only vacation spots, send their kids maj. White private schools, and they never have Diversity guests in their homes to eat off of their tableware or use their bathrooms.

    Whatever Tim Wise can do to make them squirm over their misused White privilege, good.

  • growing pains

    Look for more and more “respectable” articles to come out that trend toward our realism. We are approaching the tipping point of Affirmative Action absurdity, and seasoned, reasonable journalists are taking note. The consequence will be more shill hysterics from NAACP-SPLC-ADL Axis of Anti-White Privilege coming out with more Intelligence Reports denouncing the “mainstreaming of hate”:

    Harry Stein

    The Equality Principle

    Why the GOP shouldn’t avoid race in 2012

    14 July 2011

    http://www.city-journal.org/2011/eon0714hs.html

    Heather Mac Donald

    Less Academics, More Narcissism

    The University of California is cutting back on many things, but not useless diversity programs.

    14 July 2011

    http://www.city-journal.org/2011/cjc0714hm.html

  • Eric

    I’ve always considered Time Wise to be the Elmer Gantry of the race hustler industry, of course he’s not nearly as charming or vivacious as Elmer. Here’s a white guy from Tennessee or wherever that’s made a very comfortable living for himself by peddling the made up concept of “white privilege” to governments and Universities. Nothing more than a snake oil salesman.

  • Ben

    Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Tim the Wise.

    I thought not it is not a story the jedi will tell.

    Darth Wise, the Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise, he could use force to convince Caucasians that they were in fact evil and should dismantle their own interest, “white privilege,” that will benefit them.

    He had such a knowledge of the dark side, he could even make those convince themselves that brutal crimes are due to too white privilege and poverty, thus justifiable and understandable.

    The dark side of the force is a pathway to abilities that some seem to think unnatural.

    He become so powerful, the only thing he was afraid was losing his power, which of course eventually he did.

    Unfortunately he taught his African followers everything he knew, then they demanded Tim the Wise had befitted personally from white privilege and institutionalized racism, and therefore was to relinquish everything and hand it over.

    Ironic.

    He could save others from racism but not himself.

  • Anonymous

    Something to ponder, my friends: Affirmative Action and minority privileges are being challenged or stopped JUST AS WHITES ARE BECOMING A MINORITY.

    It is possible those in charge can see that Whites will have the knowledge to use these set-asides for ourselves, and so the anti-white power structure is putting an end to them before that can happen.

  • German

    I have read a lot of him and heard a lot about him.

    My conclusion is still the same: He is a race realist.

    He is searching for decades for information, studies and arguments that the black people are somehow as intelligent/good/wealthy as whites if they are not suppressed by whites and still he hasn’t any one.

    He’s sites and youtube videos are full of comments like:

    So why are blacks in Africa so poor, there aren’t many whites there?

    So why is it the same with Detroit, France, London, India and Brazil, why are blacks in all places around the world no matter if and how many whites are around.

    If he believes what he is saying, he would move to a black community. But he doesn’t. As long as he goes anti-white, he will remain popular and get a lot of jobs. I am pretty sure if he won in the lottery, he would get out of the public and maybe than telling the truth.

  • Valkyrie

    I agree with the poster above. Tim Wise should be hugely encouraged because he genuinely wants to take the fight to the liberal middle-class gated community lot.

    The elite cadre who foist blacks on the rest of us need to be tasting the reality first-hand.

    Tim Wise is also just the kind of guy who annoys working class white people. His appeal is only really to left-wing masochists. I bet even blacks despise him for his lemming-like self-flagellation… How could anyone respect such a ‘man’?

    Encourage him…. he does nothing but good for our cause.

  • Sureesh

    What would a liberal like Tim Wise say about “successful” nonwhite groups like Indian and Chinese immigrants? He claims minorities are “oppressed” by whites? How come that oppression doesn’t affect Asians?

  • Fr. John

    “Tim Wise shares his wisdom.”

    Your byline is an oxymoron.

  • white is right, black is whack

    If whites like Wise really feel so sorry for blacks, then they can give up their money, their careers and all their possessions to them. If not, they can shut their mouths. So typical of these leftist types. Always preaching to others what they don’t do themselves. Karma will strike him someday. He’s going to find more and more whites aren’t toleraing much bad behavior from blacks and hispanics more and more. He’s also going to find that more and more companies will say, “Sorry, we don’t have the money to pay for this stuff anymore.” In fact, if there were real (white) employers with any guts, they’d tell Wise to take a hike.

  • surrender monkey

    I attended a Tim Wise event. He physical demeanor was short, swaggering, arrogant. He was actually chewing gum when he entered the room. If he were a big guy and walked into a bar like that, you would know he was looking for a fight. He wore jeans with his shirt untucked in that metrosexual way that looks almost girlish. He was too sour to be effeminate.

    Most of the audience were blacks, and the few Whites were there with black friends. None of them would we consider coming from the elite White gene pool.

    His main point was that that future peace requires that Whites now recognize their White privilege and do something about it. Not sure what. He fears that demographic changes will make for a nasty future unless Whites “do more”.

    Maybe he is a race realist.

    He wasn’t a very good speaker and had an off-putting personality. He is not the kind of evangelist who draws people to him- he repels.

  • Gloria

    Tim Wise lives in a 600K house in a rich Nashville neighborhood that used to be blue collar until it was gentrified by hypocritical yuppies like him. He was interviewed by a black nationalist on a podcast called Context of White Supremacy (yes, C.O.W.S.). The host asked him whether, since he’s gotten rich giving speeches against racism, he’d be willing to donate 1% of his income to black people. Wise said that he couldn’t do that, because it would turn his children into victims. He wouldn’t even give away 1%! At least he was being honest for once.

    For all his equality talk, Wise doesn’t think blacks and Mestizos are equal to upper class whites like himself. He thinks they’re equal to white proles, who he despises. As with every sanctimonious rich white liberal, the message is let’s you and him help the poor nonwhites.

  • Anonymous

    @ Valkyrie- His appeal is only really to left-wing masochists.

    We need to stop using the “White guilt” explanation for our troubles. Those who profess what we call White guilt aren’t really guilty. They are engaging in a form of self-aggrandizement and virtue display. They hope to gain status and promotion in their institutions. They want MORE White privilege, not less. You’ll never see anyone who professes White guilt ever actually ever do anything that costs them. They will not sacrifice their own privileges, security, and opportunities to atone for the guilt.

    They will only SAY that “we need to do more to atone for the sins of segregation by holding ourselves accountable to the beloved community of color for our unearned White privileges.” But they never actually go find a genuine, full blooded AfroAmerican and start confessing their guilt. They are scared of blacks, just as they should be. They are race realists, but they don’t want you to know it, so they talk from White guilt.

    These Whites will talk about “the burden of our White privileges,” and then buck up and shoulder that burden without another complain. If they were genuinely burdened, they would loosen the load and share some of their ill gotten White gains, but they don’t and won’t.

    We need to support and adopt the Mark Lloyd Mandate for Whites who talk with White guilt, or “sensitivity”:

    “There’s nothing more difficult than this. Because we have really, truly good white people in important positions,” Lloyd said. “And the fact of the matter is that there are a limited number of those positions. And unless we are conscious of the need to have more people of color, gays, other people in those positions we will not change the problem.”

    He continued, “We’re in a position where you have to say who is going to step down so someone else can have power.”

    So, that’s really the answer: White who talk against their own interests and in favor of minorities MUST STEP DOWN IMMEDIATELY.

    Next time you encounter crazy White guilt talk, just follow it with a demand that “well, yes, of course you are right, now you need to step down so that a more deserving minority can have the job you’ve been hording with your unearned White privilege. We are deeply concerned that you haven’t surrendered that job before now. Are you sure you aren’t harboring any hidden racism that makes you think a black couldn’t do as good a job as you?”

    In other words, if they talk like left-wing masochists, let’s force them act like it.

  • sshadow

    #18 ” I have read a lot of him and heard a lot about him.

    My conclusion is still the same: He is a race realist.”

    I agree.

    After listening to him, it’s obvious that he is quite intelligent and has a high degree of literary sophistacation. There is NO POSSIBILITY that he doesn’t know the truth about the causes of blacks failure in complex society. That leaves us to conclude that he is intellectually dishonest to a malignant degree for his personal gain. He is personally willing to sacrifice any degree of his nation’s well being to pad his nest in any way he feels like. This may be the highest form of treason.

  • Sureesh

    TIM WISE- read this-

    http://goo.gl/kLu5D

    Now- please- EXPLAIN!

  • sshadow

    Interesting comments:

    “America is becoming a Third World country. The radical decline of the human race is accelerating. Both Jews and non-Jews are committed to ideals based upon falsehoods that will lead to the suicide of our nation.”

    This from Susan Green from a current essay on V Dare.com. Well worth reading for anyone interested in these issues.

  • Gerald Martin

    JACK IN CHICAGO – I went to the NPR comment thread as you suggested and posted my own. Most of the other comments were hostile but well-reasoned rebuttals to the assertions of Tim Wise and the study’s authors, and there were several requests that NPR interview someone like Jared Taylor for a more balanced view of this subject, so obviously your suggestion had an effect. It was good to see so many intelligent, race-realist comments at such a leftist site. I believe AR readers should email NPR and continue requesting they interview Jared Taylor. Taylor also should be on C-span, in one of those long author interviews they present, so email C-span as well.

  • Ron

    As far as Tim Wise is concerned, the article in which he exposed his greatest desire as being the death of the White race (then excused it away as being written while drunk) was just the icing on the cake for me. I thoroughly enjoy when Mr Taylor destroys him in debate but now refuse to waste my time listening to him. His anti-White rhetoric is just too much for me to stomach.

  • WR the elder

    #17 Anonymous: Something to ponder, my friends: Affirmative Action and minority privileges are being challenged or stopped JUST AS WHITES ARE BECOMING A MINORITY.

    It is possible those in charge can see that Whites will have the knowledge to use these set-asides for ourselves, and so the anti-white power structure is putting an end to them before that can happen.

    There is no possibility that affirmative action will be used to the advantage of whites, no matter how small a minority they are or how underrepresented they become in some occupation. After all, affirmative action only works because the majority race was willing to discriminate against its own people in a misguided attempt to buy racial peace. There is no possibility that a majority black or majority Mestizo city, county, state, or country will ever discriminate against its own people to favor whites. After all, blacks are an absolutely majority in South Africa, and in the South African government, and affirmative action is virulent there, all directed against whites to the benefit of the majority blacks.

    We all know that when blacks control a government here within the United States they discriminate relentlessly against everyone who isn’t black. Mestizos do likewise. Unlike whites, they have not and will not cast off their sense of racial solidarity.

  • white is right, black is whack

    24 — Gloria at 12:10 PM on July 15:

    Bingo! We of course all knew that, but I honestly think it’s good for these blacks who hate whites and listen to the self-hating whites like Tim Wise to know that he cares more about his own bank account than helping them out. I always knew he was intellectually dishonest as another poster pointed out. Just as I knew most people who make public statements against whites (be they white or black) do it for the attention and money. Nothing more.

  • Anonymous

    #23: “He wasn’t a very good speaker and had an off-putting personality.”

    I have to disagree with this. Tim is a very good speaker and that’s the problem – his ability to be speak well makes him seem credible no matter how silly his arguments may be. Funny, if White people are so evil, wouldn’t it be rational if Black people were made to be completely separate from Whites? Why put Black people through the horror of living among us “evil racists”?

  • George

    23 — surrender monkey wrote at 11:57 AM on July 15:

    I attended a Tim Wise event. He physical demeanor was short, swaggering, arrogant. He was actually chewing gum when he entered the room. If he were a big guy and walked into a bar like that, you would know he was looking for a fight. He wore jeans with his shirt untucked in that metrosexual way that looks almost girlish. He was too sour to be effeminate.

    Most of the audience were blacks, and the few Whites were there with black friends. None of them would we consider coming from the elite White gene pool.

    His main point was that that future peace requires that Whites now recognize their White privilege and do something about it. Not sure what. He fears that demographic changes will make for a nasty future unless Whites “do more”.

    Maybe he is a race realist.

    He wasn’t a very good speaker and had an off-putting personality. He is not the kind of evangelist who draws people to him- he repels.

    I disagree. In fact, most of the Whites who follow Tim Wise are well educated, upper income Whites who have been blinded by muliculturalism, divesity and other rubbish over the decades.

  • Gerald Martin

    #33 (Anonymous): I agree with your comment about Tim Wise. Also, he is not only an effective speaker – he is skillful in debate as well. (He was supposedly a debate champion in high school.) Much of his technique is based on verbal aggressiveness, and not letting his opponent establish a cohesive premise before he attacks it, causing the audience to believe he has discredited it. Wise employed this tactic against Jared Taylor in his debate with Taylor several years ago (taking advantage of Taylor’s good manners) and had some success with it (IMO). Nevertheless, I’m pretty sure he has avoided opportunities to debate Taylor again.

    But “surrender monkey” (#23) is right about Wise’s personal demeanor and overall lack of appeal. Wise basically snarls out a speech and relies heavily on sarcasm. This is indeed “off-putting” to many people (especially women) and in the long run, Wise is not nearly as effective as he thinks he is. Or as the networks, liberal churches, and colleges which showcase him as an “authority” think.

    In my message to NPR, I recommended they put someone like Jared Taylor on any program on which Wise appears. If enough other people do the same, it might even happen!

  • Anonymous

    Look him up in Wikipedia. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white. Nuff said.

  • Lewis O.

    That a taxpayer funded national radio station would present a blatant anti-European hatemonger like Tim Wise as though he were an unbiased intellectual expert on the reality of racism, speaks volumes about how far away from fairness and justice for all this country have gotten lately, and how blatantly biased the media has become.