Baggy Pants Cause Plane’s Evacuation, Jail Time

RJ Middleton, NBC (Bay Area), June 16, 2011

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Deshon Marman, a 20-year-old football star from San Francisco’s Bayview neighborhood, was asked to pull up his sagging pajama pants before his U.S. Airways flight home–a flight to take him to his best friend’s funeral. Marman’s friend, David Henderson, was shot and killed on those same Bayview streets.

Marman told his mother (see video) that he at first refused, saying his hands were full. He then went to his seat, where he did pull up his pants, his mother said.

By that time, the pilot had ordered the plane evacuated. He then made a citizen’s arrest, according to the airline.

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The passenger refused to comply with instructions, so the captain exercised his right to make a citizen’s arrest after passenger refused to deplane.

The airline also said they do not have a dress code beyond “appropriate, that doesn’t offend passengers.”

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  • Mr.White

    The airline also said they do not have a dress code beyond “appropriate, that doesn’t offend passengers.”

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    Seeing some ” self-aggrieved” minority with his rear hanging out does “offend” me and probably most Americans. Thus, it appears the pilot was well within his rights and authority to demand this “passenger” pull up his pants and act like a human being.

  • Gimme a Break

    In response to one news article, a commenter, claiming to be an eye witness to the incident, stated the football star was asked four times not to enter the plane until he had adjusted his pants, and, still refusing to do so, he entered the airplane anyway, pushing past airline personnel. [Hence the battery charge.] Once in his seat, the football star continued to refuse. The football star’s mother’s lachrymose whitewash [pun intended] is a very good example of how the ghetto mentality works, even more so than her son’s in your face droopy pants. One purpose of the droopy pants style among black men and teens is to carry the pathos of the ghetto about the wearer and to passersby. It’s the hood front and center, up close and personal, especially for whitey. In this, it is wildly [wildingly?] successful. Hence, I usually go to DEF CON 3 around blacks; wonder why.

  • THE MAN

    He said he would have done things differently he would have complied to the rule. The pants are low for a reason the trend is a statement of defiance and a coded message. The message” kiss my a**”. The same trend of walking in the street is an act of defiance. Next time he will dress appropriately . Good for the captain he made a stand and he should be supported. Get ready!

  • Eric

    I wasn’t around to see it but I long for the time when people got dressed up when flying. I would love to have seen men in nice suits with a hat and a vodka tonic with women in dresses. I see far too many people of all races dressed like utter slobs, wifebeaters and flip-flops seem de rigueur unfortunately when visiting an airport.

  • HH

    Note the charge of “battery” is buried more than halfway through the video! This is obviously about far more than “sagging” pants. Moreover, they apparently weren’t even pants, but “pajama bottoms?!” Who goes out of the house, let alone gets on an airplane filled with presumably civilized people in their bed-clothes for heavens’ sake?

    As usual, more to this tale than meets the eye – and the obligatory apologist Black momma’s twaddle, of course.

  • Tim in Indiana

    Stereotypes? A football player (obviously very low-IQ)? Going to the funeral of his friend who was shot? Refusing to follow instructions? Wearing pajama pants on an airplane flight? Causing a disruption of all the passengers? And now his mother demanding an apology?

    You can’t make stuff like this up.

  • Peejay in Frisco

    He refused to comply with their instructions for something like 15 minutes, according to what I read this morning. He was literally asking for it.

  • Tom S.

    After watching the tape, is it any wonder why “Deshon” is what he is? I’d like to look into the background of this June Cleaver of the ghetto mamma of his just see how much she charged the taxpayer to raise this fine young man. I’d like to also look into the background of this “best friend” of his that was “shot and killed on those same Bayview streets”.

    These thugs do this to PROVOKE a “racial” incident, also known as a ghetto lottery setup. Having witnessed the spectacle on several occasions before, I can just visualize him ‘strutting’ on the plane – huge carry-on over one shoulder, huge racial chip on the other shoulder, tons of ‘jury’ on, his gold ‘playa’ sunshades on and, oh – talking loudly on the phone of course. My only surprise here is that there was no mention of the infamous blond White girl on his arm that joined in.

    U.S. Airways will of course have to grovel and meet with the “Rev” Jack$on and $harpton to arrange the ‘payment of penalties’ for ‘dissen’ an upstanding brotha. I wouldn’t be surprised if Eric “my people” Holder gets involved in this.

  • Anonymous

    NPR and most of the media reporting this story are spinning it a completely different way, that he was arrested for baggy pants. NPR doesn’t even report that all the other passengers were evacuated from the plane. He wasn’t arrested for baggy pants. He was arrested for refusing to leave the plane, for refusing to follow the pilot’s instructions.

  • Question Diversity

    This story is the classic example of a lie being on the other side of the world before the truth can get out of bed to put its boots on. You have to watch the video to see that the pilot arresting Mr. Marman (as far as that goes, I think Federal law gives pilots certain implicit law enforcement powers, so this wasn’t a “citizens arrest”), had to do with battery, not the sagging pants.

    Why do they tell us at all that he played football? Is that supposed to make him exempt from statutory criminal law?

  • Harumphty Dumpty

    Deshon said in a jail interview that if he could do it over, he would pull up his pants when asked to.

    This should convince the naysayers on this site that blacks ARE capable of learning, if only we are willing to devote the necessary resources to the task!

  • Flaxen-headed Strumpet

    Not only will doctors and decent cops just throw up their hands and quit, airline pilots and cruise ship captains (with special and extraordinary international treaty legal discretionary powers) will also abandon their professions when the pain (or perceived risk of same) exceed the rewards.

  • UnclePen

    “Deshon said in a jail interview that if he could do it over, he would pull up his pants when asked to.”

    Nuts, I was hoping Deshon would hang tough, and that tourists would soon be able to view his pants hanging in the MLK, Jr. museum in Atlanta.

    His mother said baggy pants are a trend. Hopefully whites saying, “enough, already,” will also become a trend.

    Thanks to poster “2 — Gimme a Break” for reporting what the battery charge may be all about. It sounds likely.

  • Anonymous

    In general a private business such as an airline may determine the terms of contract. Such terms may include proper dress.

    “No shirt, no shoes, no service!”

    The passenger’s contractual license to be seated on the airline may be revoked upon failure to comply with the terms of agreement. If this black passenger didn’t want to be bound by the dress code, he should have chosen an alternative means of travel.

    Once the license is revoked, the airline may use reasonable force to remove the passenger who is now deemed a trespasser. Physical resistance of such privileged force constitutes batter by the trespasser against the airline.

  • AlmostMusicPhD

    One commenter made the (incorrect) statement, that ‘droopy drawers’ means, ‘kiss my *ss’ on the part of blacks.

    Nope. When this trend first began manifesting itself, I was told by an ex-con, that this form of (un)dress arose in prisons, where the (submissive) homosexual was ‘advertising’ his wares, and able to ‘drop trou’ for their ‘lovers,’ and that this then became a ‘fashion statement’ outside of prison.

    It was not four years later, that I read many of the ‘best and brightest’ in the ‘Black Church’ scene were HIV positive, for many of them were doing the ‘down low’ with the same rationale as those poor sick kids locked in an all-male hothouse of perverts, and animalistic tendencies.

    In the 1970’s, people remember men wearing earrings in either left or right ears, and the paisley handkerchief protruding from back pockets. This, too, was a ‘gay’ signal, indicating which ‘side of the fence’ one was on, in the heady days before AIDS.

    As a professional musician, who has watched numbers of his colleagues die of this disease of choice, and not genes, who (thank God) married a woman who has made my monogamous marriage of twenty years one of the few stable ‘relationships’ among my musical peers, I felt I needed to point out (again) that perversion is poisoning our culture, and we ignore it at our peril.

  • Jason

    No one wants to see your underwear or ass. It makes me sick every time I see it. It looks stupid and it is offensive. But, it’s always “because I’m black”. If it were a white guy, the same thing would happen.

  • Anonymous

    OK, so there is this mildly interesting story about a young brat who has to learn the hard way that the world does not revolve around him.

    Why on earth is the liberal media making this sob story about alleged racial discrimination out of it?

  • Anonymous

    I find it very hard to believe that all this was caused just because some idiot refused to pull up his pants (pajamas?) a bit. Must be a whole lot more going on here. Not that the MSM will ever tell you.

    Offhand, on the general issue of saggy pants, who cares? If blacks want to walk around looking like such complete fools, let them. There have been a number of cases where they got caught because of this.

  • rjp

    A ticket taker and a stewardess asked for boarding pass?

    How did he get so far that a stewardess was involved?

    I think that is the important thing that isn’t being stated.

    This black thug was acting like a black thug and refusing to do things every other passenger was required to do.

  • SKIP

    I can see, and would bet, that the pilot will be suspended without pay until this is settled by the airline ponying up the usual agrieved payment (bribe) and the pilot dutifully apologizes in public and yet mo money changes hands with the miscreant and the usual suspects (Jackson and Sharpton) get their pound of Whitey!

  • Anonymous

    It’s not about the attire, it’s about not obeying authority.

    This goes to the heart of why blacks are disproportionately arrested.

  • Anonymous

    This is why I don’t like baggy pants:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge8aZqgxV7Q

  • Anonymous

    I am black and I support the pilot’s decision to ask the passenger to deplane. I hate thugs and those that want to be thugs. I congratulate the pilot.

    I love my country. I feel its about time white America start waking up and fighting to end immigration and thug culture.

  • Just Curious

    QD wrote:

    I think Federal law gives pilots certain implicit law enforcement powers, so this wasn’t a “citizens arrest”), had to do with battery, not the sagging pants.

    I think you are absolutely right about this. The captain is not just another “citizen”; he is the law on his plane.

    Why do they tell us at all that he played football? Is that supposed to make him exempt from statutory criminal law?

    Exactly! Does that make him special? Who gives a bleep that he plays football? So what? Just what does THAT have to do with anything?

    The media tell us that race is not mentioned in arrest incidents because it is irrelevant. Well, how is playing football considered to be relevant?

  • Just Curious

    The source of all this black defiance and sociopathy becomes immediately evident when you hear the indignant mothers defending their angelic sons.

    So that’s where it comes from! Lack of manners, lack of discipline, lack of social responsibility, lack of respect for authority.

    Hardly surprising. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

  • SunnyvaleSal

    I fully support this method of Black self-expression! The more non-Whites speak their own languages, have their own clothing styles, and maintain their own manners, the less likely they are to mix with Whites. Those who want Mexicans to speak English or Muslim women to not wear head scarfs just haven’t thought the matter thru.

    As for the baggy pants style of African American youth: it has always struck me as clownish to the extreme. In fact, if I was to design a clothing style meant to embarrass, demean, and signal out it’s wearers; I could hardly do better than what these youths have chosen for themselves!

  • Anonymous

    “20-year-old Deshon Marman of San Francisco’s Bayview neighborhood is behind bars after refusing to pull up his pants at San Francisco International Airport. The University of New Mexico football player was back in the bay area to attend a friend’s funeral. NBC Bay Area’s Cheryl Hurd reports.”

    There is something wrong about this story. The reporter couldn’t even get it straight. If he is a student in New Mexico, returning home from there, and he was arrested IN SAN FRANCISCO, that means he was arrested UPON ARRIVING at SF, not departing.

    He was removed from the plane and the plane was evacuated? But they all would have been leaving the plane anyway, upon arrival.

    He had already completed his trip! Something must have happened, on the plane, during the trip.

    As seems usual when reporting “minority” misbehavior, these stories seem to get strangely garbled.

  • White, Jewish, and Proud

    I’m in contact with young black dudes every day, and about half of them or more walk around with their pants hanging off their backsides. I’m also in contact with foreigners, mostly Asians, who see these blacks with their boxer shorts exposed and are completely perplexed and amused by this bizarre habit.

    Even more absurd are the whites who emulate them

    I wonder if they (the blacks) have any indication how ridiculous they look. I wonder if they even care.

  • WASP

    I think the pilot over-reacted but I am somewhat glad he did.

    I am sick of seeing the underwear of baggy-pants ghetto half-wits. That goes for the white “wiggers” as well.

    Wonder if he will sue…and win?

  • Anonymous

    17 — WASP wrote at 9:18 AM on June 17:

    I think the pilot over-reacted but I am somewhat glad he did.

    I am sick of seeing the underwear of baggy-pants ghetto half-wits. That goes for the white “wiggers” as well.

    Wonder if he will sue…and win?

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    Over-reacted? Nope. Not to decent law abiding passengers and citizens. Bravo for the Captain!

    That moron does NOT want to obey ANY rules set by the White man. One reason they cannot abide by our rules and norms is because they are BLACK! They are a different species altogether.

    ANYWHERE we go we have to obey certain rules and laws. It is called being civilized and creating some sort of order so we can all be free from these thugs. That idiot just wanted to act tough and DELIBERATELY stick it in the White mans face as usual. All the other decent passengers are suppose to put up with and sit next to these thugs/creeps? NO, a thousand times NO!

    Of course he will sue, that is one reason they do this stuff DELIBERATELY. His stupid “momma” will make sure of that.

  • lamchops

    US Air just became my favorite airline.

  • Anonymous

    Headline in video at 2:48 states “Baggy pants football player arrest”. This has nothing to do with baggy pants, it has to do with exposure and odd, suspicious behavior.

    As for mom saying, “…it’s a trend, all boys do it”, if only sexting celebrity Congressman Anthony Weiner had thought to have his mom use that defense…

    Inappropriate behavior risks stereotyping appropriately for other maladies. If one can’t wear pants at a level that is within norms, what else might be going on? Change pants to pajama bottoms, and unwillingness to hike them up could be considered as a disturbed person. I would think the captain has the duty to err on the side of safety.

  • Anonymous

    Eve if we didn’t know the race of the prep, why is it one would surmise it is an Afro-American person? Not black, but Afro-American. What is the message? Freedom of expression is fine, but when it indicates strange and potentially unstable behavior, the Captain must consider the safety of the plane and its passengers.

  • ProudtobeWhite

    Kudos to the pilot! That black thug should have been sacked and stuffed in the cargo hold. If he weren’t a football playa he would no doubt be wearing striped pajamas in North Block…

  • voter

    WASP wrote at 9:18 AM on June 17:

    I think the pilot over-reacted but I am somewhat glad he did.

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    Well, we don’t know what really happened on the plane. You don’t get arrested for your clothes. (A battery charge?) Obviously there was considerably more to this story.

    PS. I agree that when you see the mothers of these thugs, suddenly it all fits together.

  • Harumphty Dumpty

    “I think the pilot over-reacted…”

    That’s only because you’ve become so accustomed to whites underreacting. And remember that there’s a battery charge involved (see post # 2)…I haven’t followed reports in the mainstream media, but are they exploring what the battery charge is about? (I’m betting the MSM is not, since to do so would create the kind of story the MSM generally tries to avoid in these situations…an ACCURATE story).

  • if_teardrops_were_pennies

    11 — Harumphty Dumpty wrote at 8:30 PM on June 16:

    Deshon said in a jail interview that if he could do it over, he would pull up his pants when asked to.

    This should convince the naysayers on this site that blacks ARE capable of learning, if only we are willing to devote the necessary resources to the task!

    ———

    Quite. U.S. Airways and the passengers should be feeling all warm and fuzzy for the privilege of absorbing whatever small costs were involved in this educational epiphany for Deshon. One hopes that U.S. Airways will sponsor a reunion of the passengers and crew so they can celebrate their contribution to Deshon’s turning his life around and taking his first step on the path of understanding and enlightenment. No child left behind, and a (putative) mind is a terrible thing to waste.

  • ^NATE^

    What is the problem here?

    We have a black who chooses to make up his own rules and show his body in a very offensive way.

    Now he is removed from the plane.

    What part of (He is black) didn’t they get?

    The new American laws plainly state whatever a black wants to do should be okay to everyone.

    Everyone except RACISTS that is.

    When are we going to tell these throwbacks Enough is Enough,.

    In talking to other white people I get the impression it will be never.

    Oh well if Kenya was good enough for Obama it should be good enough for us when the United States is under the power of these minorities and they take us back to Their Heritage by converting America into Old Mexico and Little Africa.

  • Cassiodorus

    “I wonder if they (the blacks) have any indication how ridiculous they look. I wonder if they even care.”

    This “fashion trend” garners attention, which is what the blacks want. Much of the annoying public comportment of blacks has to do with attracting attention.

  • Anonymous

    From Baycity news:

    Marman, who was boarding Flight 488 to Albuquerque, N.M., was instructed by airline crew members several times to pull up his pants to cover his underwear, both before he boarded and on the plane, according to San Francisco police Sgt. Michael Rodriguez.

    Marman allegedly refused to pull up his pants and when he sat in his seat, he pulled them all the way down, Rodriguez said.

    Eventually the plane’s captain told other passengers on the aircraft to deplane, ordered Marman to leave the plane and then placed him under citizen’s arrest for trespassing after he refused the order, according to Rodriguez.

    Marman was escorted off the plane by police and then allegedly resisted officers when they tried to handcuff him. One officer received a cut to his hand and a sprained knee in the struggle.

    U.S. Airways spokesman Andrew Christie said Thursday, “While U.S. Airways does not have a specific dress code, we ask our customers to dress in an appropriate manner to ensure the safety and comfort of all of our passengers.”

    – Bay City News

  • diversity = adversity

    This is why I do not discourage baggy pants: http://goo.gl/gVx4r

    He was arrested for battery against an airline employee. But the governmedia

    with Al and Jesse and his mother are making it about the pants and race, which is all they are capable of.

    Though, I understand why people want to wear flip flops and wife beater tank tops at the airport, to not be singled out for pat-downs and screening (like that Baywatch woman was singled out), and for the ease of removing your shoes for shoe bomber checks. They really ought to have a blacks-only airline which they must use (when flying anyway), but they never will unless we re impose segregation, because all this business with this thug is for the sole purpose of his mom winning a ghetto lottery.

    We should stand by the airline and pilot when they start getting attacked, we can not let them be beaten down and made to apologize.

  • Anonymous

    Reply to #28:

    I wonder if they (the blacks) have any indication how ridiculous they look?

    I very much doubt it. Awareness, self-awareness in particular, are simply not traits of blacks. They seem to have no capacity for introspection or being self-reflective. They are more emotional and impulsive then anything else. Even if a few of the more thoughtful or insightful ones WERE aware, I doubt they would even care. I honestly believe that blacks simply have a different psychological framework then other people.

  • Edmundo

    Personally, I hope the saggy-pants trend never goes away.

    It’s an excellent way to differentiate between the “US”, and the “Them”.

    If morons want to voluntarily brand themselves with a “Scarlet Letter”, great. It makes it so much easier for the rest of us to pinpoint exactly who the greatest dimwits are amongst us.

    As well, it is a perpetual visceral reminder of how different these cretins are, and of how they can never integrate.

    The best part, their wardrobes provide comic relief…they look shameful and ridiculous.

  • Anonymous

    “I think the pilot over-reacted……..”

    That’s very easy for YOU to say. Don’t forget that pilot is responsible for the safety of everyone on board that airplane; the passengers, flight personnel, everyone (including himself). He also is responsible for the plane itself, making sure it flys, takes-off and lands safely. He has a schedule to maintain and has to consider weather and flight conditions too. He also has to interact with flight and ground control and be aware of all flight traffic. Then there is all the security issues since 9/11. Have you ever flown a large plane? IT’S A TREMENDOUS RESPONSIBILTY! Do you really think this heavily burdened pilot needs or wants the distraction caused by this idiot? Any reasonable person would have complied with the perfectly reasonable request made to them and that would have been the end of it. But this kid had to be a smart*** with a false sense of entitlement.

  • SKIP

    Is “Deshon” a 20 year old High schooler or some sort of AA college freebie? You also gotta love articulate manner of speech the “mother” exhibits. I agree too, that this is the prelude to the airline apologizing for the “over reaction” of the pilot and the appearance of the Jesse and Al show and again, the subsequent exchange of the ghetto lottery winnings.

  • Mr.White

    “I think the pilot over-reacted……..”

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    Whatever…I contend that we as a nation could use a lot more of this so called “over-reacting” when dealing with these black thugs who are always “just trying to make it” according to their mothers.

  • Anonymous

    The pilot waS just trying to help. After he attended the funeral

    of his gangbanger buddy, young Dr. Deshawn was going tothe 18th

    International Conference of Astrophysicists to deliver his NAACP sponsored research paper on the racist aspects of “Time Space Curvature of Black Holes”… or “black ho’s” as the NAACP

    reads it.

  • Richard

    Plane on the ground! Plane on the ground! Looking like a fool with your plane on the ground!

  • Just Plain Bill

    If they’re not going to let the pilots carry guns, at least give them Tazers(tm).

    Ride the lightning, Deshon.

  • Anonymous

    Of course the NAACP has entered the picture, Deshon (sorry Shawn the female) may be holding a winning Ghetto lotttery ticket. After all you can’t “dis” a black man or expect him to act civilized without repercussions.