15 Chinese Citizens Indicted in Alleged College Test-Taking Scheme

Associated Press, May 28, 2015

Fifteen Chinese citizens have been indicted by a federal grand jury in Pittsburgh in a scheme to take college entrance exams on behalf of others, who then were able to obtain student visas.

The indictment announced Thursday says the alleged conspirators scammed tests run by Educational Testing Service and the College Board–such as the Scholastic Aptitude Test, or SAT–under false pretenses.

The indictment clearly identifies six suspects as students and five as test-takers, but isn’t clear on the role of the others–including three whose names remain under seal.

The indictment says some students paid nearly $6,000 to have the tests taken in their name.

That was done by forging passports with the students’ personal information next to a picture of the conspirator paid to take the tests.

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  • The Worlds Scapegoat

    Nothing new. I have posted here before that this happened at the college I attended.

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    • Chip Carver

      Me too. At UCLA the campus police came in during a mid-term (Physics) and everyone was ordered to stop and then our IDs were checked. About ten Asian guys were escorted from the study hall. And this was years ago.

    • listenupbub

      I guess we all are “touched” by our experiences with Asian cheating. (or all of us who went to colleges with lots of them)

      • I was offered $50 to take a calculus final for a Taiwanese acquaintance during my freshman year. I explained that if I got caught, we’d both be expelled, and that if he later got caught doing something else like it, he’d be tempted to rat me out, and we’d both be expelled. I don’t look remotely like my last name would be “Wu”, so if someone looked at the exam while I was handing it in, we’d be screwed and tattooed. Instead, I showed him a bit he was missing about trigonometric substitutions, he (barely) passed the class honestly, and transferred to San Jose State the next year.

        His parents were doubtless unhappy, but Mike Scott’s Corollary to Murphy’s Law is “There is no situation so bad that it can not be made worse.”

    • Light from the East

      In Asian countries you can easily find some professional test takers on your behalf. Chinese simply bring this type of scheme from the homeland to the US.

  • Magician

    Engelman!!!!!!!????!!!!

    • Rob

      Why do you always call him? Do you like him?

    • APaige

      Well in defense at least when Asians cheat they get an ‘A’ or high exam score.
      Blacks will cheat and get an F. A high F, but still.

    • JohnEngelman

      15 Chinese cheaters proves nothing. If it could be proven that Chinese were 15 percent more likely to cheat than whites that would be a significant fact.

      It can be proven that they tend to perform better on all the mental aptitude tests however they are designed.

      Attributing high Oriental test scores and academic achievement to cheating seems more the result of jealousy than accurate moral disapproval.

      • Paleoconn

        They steal technological and industrial secrets, not to mention military.

      • MBlanc46

        Which is no reason we should be importing them by the million. Let them stay in China a turn it into a first-world country. Our universities should be for our people.

      • Magician

        I’m not going to deny that we should not compare a group of Chinese students cheating on their tests to other types of well-known crimes such as

        – Murder crimes that black men constantly commit in our country after they steal maybe $5 ~$10 from senior whites

        – Mass murder crimes that ISIS commit internationally involving heavy explosives

      • HE2

        John with due respect for your Asiaphilia:
        In medical school, we all knew they were cheating; we saw them doing it.
        UC let them get by with it, which p’d us off. It still goes on.
        They are graduated with M.D.s, granted internships, residencies and become your unintelligible English speaking doctor who may or may not know how to treat you because he/she possibly does not understand your speech either. I was seeing this phenomenon all the time before I quit. Barely intelligible, possibly incompetent Asian interns and residents.
        Patients would ask, “will you please send another doctor in to see me? She does not know what she is doing and I cannot understand her.”
        About a year ago a school in China surprised the students by bringing in teams of proctors to monitor students taking exams. The students, accustomed to and expecting to cheat, rioted.
        It is cultural, John.

        • JohnEngelman

          According to U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics, since 1986-87 Orientals have increased SAT gap in mathematics scores over whites. They have reduced the SAT gap in reading. For many English is a second language. No, I do not think that is because of cheating.

          According to a Wall Street Journal article appearing, Sep 17, 2013, “Among the race groups, Asian households had the highest median income in 2012 ($68,636). The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $57,009.”

          I do not believe that is because of cheating either. I think it is because Orientals give American employers value for the money.

          I have had the pleasure to go to school and work with many Orientals. They were highly intelligent and accomplished. I have never known one who cheated.

          • BleedALot

            Sure. Liberals are known for the honesty as well.

          • JohnEngelman

            If whites outperform Orientals, why is this true?

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            San Jose Mercury News 11/30/2012

            Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce.

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            And why is this true?

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            The Wall Street Journal Sep 17, 2013

            Among the race groups, Asian households had the highest median income in 2012 ($68,636).

          • Rossbach

            I’ll bet a pound to a penny that if the top 1% of American university and professional school students were to emigrate en masse to China, we could outperform them in their own country, too.

            If Asians are more intelligent that Europeans, as you claim, then why are Asians migrating to America and European countries and not vice-versa? Why are Asian countries such as China so backward compared with, let us say, England or Norway? Why do they have such high levels of poverty and political corruption? Why is it that most of the high-tech exports from China, are products of Western, and not indigenous Chinese, technology?

            Does it not seem odd that such a large number of people who purportedly have such a high level of intelligence have been unable to use it for their own benefit? Why aren’t these supermen staying home and making their own countries decent places to live?

          • The Worlds Scapegoat

            English written tests do not consist of a definite answer like math or science. The person grading the written exam can be biased, and they usually are. I can read any Engrish essay and know it was written by a Chinese person. I have no doubt other can also.

            The picture below is of a paper I found on a table at the college I attended, and it was written by a Chinese person. He/She probably got an A for it. The college was about 35% black, 35% Asian, and 30% other.

          • The Worlds Scapegoat

            Some places I worked promoted an Asian, and paid they more, because they knew he wasn’t smart enough to go off and start a competing business. Most paranoid psychopathic white business owners are afraid that another white person will learn something useful when he/she is promoted, and will then start a competing business, and put him out of business.

            There is a mental illness that many white Americans posses. It is a fear that someone just like them will succeed more than they will, so they do anything in their power to stop the other white person from succeeding.

            Example: Two white people are running a cross country marathon race: The rest of the people in the race are minorities. The psychopathic white is in first place, but is passed by the other white close to the finish line. The psychopath fearing he might come in second place tackles the first white guy, so all the minority runners pass them up. In the psychopaths mind it is better that the other white person loses than if the psycho came in second. At that point it isn’t about winning: It is about the OTHER white person NOT WINNING.

            Americans have been bread by their masters to have this mental illness. Any person that doesn’t have this mental illness is destroyed.

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          • The Worlds Scapegoat

            My experience with East Asians in Science and Math classes followed a typical pattern. (The college I attended had more Asians than whites; approximately 35% East Asian, and 15% whites.)

            About half the time an Asian got the highest score in the class on a written Science or Math exam, and the other half of the time it was a white person (including myself: yes I’m bragging). There were a few times when someone from the darker part of the Mediterranean would get the highest score (they had and Arab sounding name, but were probably mixed). After the highest score, they bulk of the high scores were from whites. Example: Whites scored between 98% and 70%; Asians scored between 94% and 50% on those written exams.

            When it came to lab work, Asians quite frankly sucked. The meticulous workers were always white. Asians didn’t give a rat’s-behind about doing lab work. It was only about getting the work done as quickly as possible and getting out. On occasions I went back to class after hours to recheck the testing equipment because the test results didn’t come out right. I found that some of the equipment was out of calibration do to age (50+ years old). No Asian ever came in after class to check the test equipment. The only Asian I ever seen come in after class was a girl who would complain to the professor that she deserved a C on the test instead of a D. The professor, after hearing her whine, would just give her a higher grade.

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        • John Kar

          To be fair, whites also cheat in high numbers.
          More than half of whites admitted to academic cheating.

  • Just what the heck is the point of cheating to get into an elite university where one will then immediately have serious difficulty with the coursework?

    • They’ll cheat at the elite universities.

      • Cheating once, one may or may not get away with it. Making a habit out of it guarantees that one will eventually get caught.

        • Zimriel

          If you (not thou MCS, this is the plural generic you) cheat once, and succeed, you’ve broken into a higher tier that you don’t deserve. You HAVE TO keep cheating to stay there. And yes, you will be caught.

          • If you remember the old 1973 movie “The Sting”, with Paul Newman and Robert Redford, the protagonist con-men knew they had to keep Robert Shaw’s character conned, even afterward. In other words, they could only do it once, and it had to be perfect.

            Paying six grand to cheat on one test, only to have to pay to cheat on a succession of increasingly difficult ones is a fool’s game.

          • Blackfish

            I’m not so sure. I’ve heard more than once that getting into an elite private university (say Stanford) is extremely difficult but – once in – it’s almost impossible to flunk out.

            The reverse was true at University of California system schools in the 70s!

          • I sure did know a lot of “one-year-wonders” at UC Santa Cruz in the mid-to-late 1980’s. They’d end up on academic probation after fall quarter, and flunk out in June.

      • George Moriarty

        Yes, it is done legally using coaching services or English tuition services. Cheating by any other name.
        They will eventually get their degree and eventually get a job in a government department of a public hospital.
        Mr and Mrs public will eventually have to put up with a doctor or local government official who can hardly speak English and just gives a blank stare when you try and explain something to them.
        Does this sound familiar?

    • The Worlds Scapegoat

      They come here, get pregnant, drop a baby, become a citizen.

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      • I thought they were coming here already in late-term pregnancy.

        • George Moriarty

          Some already have a baby back in China so they then use this ploy; They say; “If you send me back to China they will kill my baby under the one child policy, please don’t send me back…”

      • Bossman

        That is the ultimate aim.

      • phillyguy

        Last year in the local Social Security office three busloads of Chinese who just got off the boat came in with an interpreter telling the woman at the desk ” we sign up for SSI”,, they are nothing but cheats and frauds out to destroy us and take over this country

    • Rob

      They cheat there too. Do you think that the language pocket dictionaries they use are just for translating??, nope, they hide stuff in it as well and look it up in exams.

    • listenupbub

      Many Asian nationals study math and statistics, anyways. They just need to know a few english words. They do not need verbal skills. They hope to improve their english as they go along.

    • John Kar

      Not all cheaters cheat because we can’t handle the work.

      I used to cheat in my history and psychology classes back in high school, because these subjects require you to read and memorize, things I didn’t want to do.

      I took the SAT fairly and scored in the 99+ percentile, because the SAT was mainly an intelligence test that required very little studying.
      I majored in mathematics and economics at a top 15 university, where I also never studied and still aced all my classes easily.

  • Bossman

    The Chinese are using all kinds of tricks to get themselves into the USA and Canada these days.

    • George Moriarty

      And Australia. As I have said before some of the suburbs near where we live are now almost totally Chinese. It almost makes my blood boil to see what is happening to this once white nation.

      • Race Heretic

        The colonization happening to your country is disgusting. Your leaders have sold you out.

      • Bossman

        Yes, I should’ve mentioned Australia also.

  • HJ11

    Asians are not smarter than pure Whites. They just study harder for the tests or cheat or both or when in class they are apple polishers.

    • listenupbub

      maybe so, maybe not…hard to say, and it is not vital to our ideology.

      But you already know that, because you have said the same thing before.

    • George Moriarty

      I agree completely. You certainly can not have a sharp conversation with any of them. I notice they all have a very limp handshake. They don’t seem to be able to keep going under pressure. And if they were so smart they would have developed this country (Australia) instead of waiting for white man to do al the hard work.
      I would also find it quite inconceivable that a Chinaman could even start to run a farm or cattle station in this country. Dodgy real estate investments yes, hard work in the harsh outback, no way.

      • Caesar Avgvstvs

        Indeed. There are almost no nations constructed by Europeans on this planet that are near as miserable as crime-infested Thailand and many other Asian cesspools. Even Greece, Bosnia and Malta- all of which could be candidates in any list of worst European nations- are still better off than the average Asian country.

    • Zimriel

      It depends on the course.

      With the engineering classes, I think you’re right – just because they then go home and design stuff in Asia that falls down in a year. The purer courses, from what I saw (I have a BA in math), get genius Asians who *don’t* cheat. There aren’t any more jobs in China for math geniuses than there are here – so the motive is not there as much. And math professors tend to be smart enough to catch cheats quickly.

      • John Kar

        Actuary.

  • Rob

    Well Asians look the same just as colored look the same to me.

    • Zimriel

      In a more general sense, you have to live in Asia for awhile to tell a Japanese from a Han from a Viet. Our host lived there and so *he* would know. *I* can’t personally tell the difference; because the Asians I’ve met have been one-on-one, not group-by-group, and I simply haven’t made Asian anthropology my primary field of study.

      • John Smith

        I notice that Japanese seem to be the best looking, while Vietnamese are about the ugliest.

        • ViktorNN

          I would also throw in Filipinos as tending to be unpleasant to look at.

          I worked with this Chinese guy who was pretty Americanized, but still had close ties to his family in Hong Kong. He explained intra-Asian racism and bigotry to me in great detail.

          Apparently the Chinese and Japanese despise each other with great hatred. The Chinese think they’re superior to everyone, have contempt for everyone, but with special contempt for Southeast Asians, like Filipinos, Indonesians, Vietnamese, Thai, etc. All groups south of China are considered “jungle monkeys.”

          • Rossbach

            This would seem to undercut the PC maxim that racial bigotry is the exclusive provenance of whites.

        • The Worlds Scapegoat

          I don’t think Vietnamese Woman are ugly. They aren’t as pretty as white Europeans (to me), but they are not ugly.

      • Rob

        I can tell if a person is from South east Asia or from Northern Asia by skin color. However there are many Chinese who are just as brown skinned as Vietnamese or Cambodians.

  • Shock of shocks – Chinese students cheating…

    • Tully

      It’s not, it’s so bad in China that you can buy a MD for $4000 with transcripts. As one old wag put it, ‘in China not only whats on the table is for sale but the table as well’. It’s not uncommon to get a physician who can’t read a X-Ray or blood panel results if you go to a public clinic. You have to go to private clinic to get any kind of competent doctor.

      This goes for EE’s, acupuncturists, CS types as well.

      In short there is a massive culture of corruption in China that permeates everything aspect of Chinese society.

      As for the U.S. these people are our competitors, not allies in anything. Their loyalty is to China not the U.S.

      • phillyguy

        They are a greater menace to white Americans than the blacks and the Browns combined

    • phillyguy

      and if they were not cheating they are working in a sector where they can steal our secrets.

      • IstvanIN

        What’s one atomic bomb between friends.

        • John Smith

          Or lathe technology for props for your nuke subs, or stealth for your fighters, or guidance tech for missiles. I seem to recall them getting much of this during the Clinton era, probably left on the mattress in the Lincoln bedroom.

  • listenupbub

    The fact is that it is extremely hard to get even a decent score on the verbal sections of the SAT/GRE tests if you do not very good at English. With regards to GRE scores, I am going into a popular field for super-driven Asians, and even they get verbal scores that are about 155, after going to undergrad in the USA to hone their English and studying like mad for the GRE.

    That is like a 65th percentile score, and the GRE is taken by many non-English speakers, so their SAT percentile would be WAY WORSE.

    Assuming they can get a 600 on the Verbal and Writing sections (generous guess), there is no way in h*** that they can get into a top university with a 800/600/600 SAT score since they are not black.

    • John Kar

      Asians have lower z-scores for the higher SAT scores than whites do.
      For 700 SAT Reading, whites are at the 94th percentile and Asians are at the 91st percentile.
      Although Asian ELLs may lower the average Asian SAT Reading score, Asians are more likely to score in the higher range of scores than whites are.

      • listenupbub

        I meant to say that I am going into a field for Chinese from China, and Indians from India. Mostly foreigners. Their reading scores are pretty average, because it is simply too hard to do all that reading and thinking in a second language.

        I have no doubts that an English-speaking Asian will do well.

  • MBlanc46

    Doing the work that Americans won’t do.

    • The Worlds Scapegoat

      Doing the cheating that white Americans won’t do.

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  • Magician

    ….

  • Hilis Hatki

    It’s a Chinese eat dog world.

    • George Moriarty

      Eat Dog, now that will really start a new thread to this discussion. (Yes, I know it was meant to be a word play on the Dog eat Dog saying.)

  • ViktorNN

    In my personal experience, cheating was almost unheard of in the all white schools I went to – especially when it came to high stakes testing like the SATs.

    It wasn’t until I went to college at schools with large numbers of Asians that I discovered the Asian culture of cheating, for which there’s simply no parallel among white kids.

    In my experience, even if a white kid admitted to cheating, it would be considered a shameful, pitiful thing to do. Far cry from the cheating-as-a-cultural-value that Asians have (especially the Chinese).

  • Fr. John+

    Again and again it needs to be said, pointed out, driven home- a nation can only function if the citizens are of one race, one ethos, and ONE MORALITY. When pre-1965 America first began to test our own people for the ‘privilege’ (not the ‘right’) for higher education, Christian morals and White altruism were the norm. You can’t have greatness without a moral framework, and the only moral framework Anglos have succeeded under is that of Christendom, and not some ‘alien ideology’ of expediency at all costs, or a racial framework of lies, as Martin Luther pointed out to his people, 500 years ago.

  • John Kar

    I’m inclined to agree. I went to a top 20 university (By USNEWS rankings) and I’ve seen whites and Asians cheat similarly.

  • This case is federal, I believe due to wire fraud and immigration fraud, but the local DA could also throw state felony charges of criminal impersonation against the five test-takers. Separate cases in multiple jurisdictions always makes fighting them harder. The federal court isn’t going to give these perps a bond; since they are foreign nationals who were using forged passports for the test-cheating, they will be considered a “flight risk”.