Last IOC in Marine Infantry Experiment Drops Female Officers

Hope Hodge Seck, Marine Corps Times, April 8, 2015

The two-and-a-half year period in which the Marine Corps’ Infantry Officer Course became gender-integrated for research will end without a single female graduate.

The final iteration of IOC to accept female Marines on a volunteer basis began April 2 with two female participants. One was a volunteer and one was a member of the newly integrated ground intelligence track.

Both were dropped that same day during the grueling initial Combat Endurance Test, said Capt. Maureen Krebs, a spokeswoman for Headquarters Marine Corps. Nine of the 90 men who began the course were also cut.

IOC, held quarterly at Marine Corps Base Quantico, Virginia, began accepting female officers fresh out of training in September 2012 as part of a larger research effort into the feasibility of opening ground combat jobs to women. Lieutenants who made it through the legendarily tough 86-day course would not receive an infantry military occupational specialty or career advancement; they did it only for the challenge and the hope of being part of a historical Marine Corps achievement.

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The testing period ends with just 27 female volunteers having attempted the course. Two other female officers also attempted the course as part of required ground intelligence officer training. The 0203 ground intelligence officer military occupational specialty was opened to female officers in late 2013, with IOC as a qualification requirement for applicants. None of the 29 female officers made it to the end of the course.

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Officials have said that ongoing research will consider many aspects of temporarily integrating IOC, including the number of volunteers, their pass rate, and performance in the course. That data will be taken alongside other research points, including the much higher success rate for enlisted female Marines in passing the Infantry Training Battalion course at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. As of February, 358 women had attempted the course, with 122 graduates, for a pass rate of 34 percent.

Also considered will be data generated from the Ground Combat Element Integrated Task Force, which is conducting assessments with male and female troops in a variety of infantry specialties now on the West Coast. All this information will be compiled this summer and used to inform Commandant Gen. Joseph Dunford’s recommendation to the secretary of Defense on whether or not to open remaining ground combat units to female troops.

A decision is expected from the Pentagon early next year.

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  • superlloyd

    Diversity delusion meets hard nosed reality. Diversity loses.

    • Susannah

      Yep, now standards will have to be lowered. We can’t have that!

      • Oil Can Harry

        In order for more women to pass they’re going to change the 86 day course into an 86 minute yoga class.

        • Mack0

          85 minutes of which will be used to discuss their feelings.

        • TruthBeTold

          Some years back, Gloria Steinem and the feminists were going on that women weren’t passing the firefighters training course because one provision required them to be able to carry someone out of a building on their shoulder.

          Steinem argued this was ridicules because the victims head would be in the smoke. She said the test should be changed to dragging a fire victim out of a building; presumably bouncing their head or face on a staircase.

          • Earl P. Holt III

            Whenever they open their mouths, the shrill and dizzy members of The Ladies’ Auxiliary of Marxism demonstrate why the Framers did not include women’s suffrage in the original Constitution…

      • dukem1

        Sheeeesh! Not even millennial lesbians can cut it!

    • TruthBeTold

      Diversity doesn’t take no for an answer.

      Diversity will say the standards don’t match real-world experiences and demand standards be changed to accommodate Diversity.

      • WR_the_realist

        We mustn’t have disparate impact. Even if that means we lose wars.

      • Earl P. Holt III

        I’d be FOR women in combat if there were all-feminist or all-lesbian units: We could then put them on the front lines against ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, and “kill two birds with one stone…”

        • Alden

          I agree and I’m a woman.
          White men created a wonderful civilization in which I thrive and White women joined with the blacks browns and Marxists to destroy that civilization

    • MBlanc46

      Wait until round 2.

    • Seniorsquadldr

      Diversity always wins. All that happens is the definition of reality, is changed.

  • I believe that there are women with the right stuff, but shoving it down the military’s throats is not the way to do it.

    • Alden

      Many have tried and all have failed. Maybe if they tried testosterone shots?

  • D.B. Cooper

    For those hard core women, the Military Intelligence branch is best suited for female officers who want to be what they see on TV, the movies, and video games. M.I. is available in all branches of the military. Some fictional characters who no doubt convinced many young women to try for Marine Infantry: G.I. Jane, Black Widow, Sonya Blade, Catherine Rollins (Hawaii 5.0 TV show), Jill Valentine (Resident Evil) Xian Mei (Dead Island); and one real M.I. officer: Former Eagles cheerleader Rachel Washburn.

    • Cheri Rodriguez

      You forgot Lyudmila Pavlichenko. Soviet sniper with 309 confirmed kills including 36 enemy snipers–all between June 1941 and June 1942. Chris Kyle (“American Sniper”) only got 160.

      • D.B. Cooper

        It sounds like whoever wrote Full Metal Jacket based that Vietnamese sniper girl on Lyudmila.

      • stonepillow

        You believe that Soviet war propaganda?

        • Cheri Rodriguez

          Did Sgt. York kill 20 krauts and capture 132 more or is that U.S. propaganda? Dude, “Lady Death” is part of military history.

          • stonepillow

            You should look up the meaning of the word “Stakhanovite .”

          • Randall Ward

            You need to read more of the Soviet history written after the USSR broke up. Lying is the normal way for communists. You may be too young to remember but the USSR claimed to have invented most of the modern machines we use today. It was a standing joke.

          • Marie

            That was the Star Trek joke, when the Klingon recommends they read Shakespeare in the original Klingon.

        • Seniorsquadldr

          Sooner than Obolamilitary propaganda.

      • Quido

        I have heard that women have the patience to be good snipers. That is not the same effort and endurance needed by assault troops or the platoon leaders. The Russian sniper also had the benefit of shooting from a defensive position. Her kills were troops in the attack which are always more exposed.

        • Cheri Rodriguez

          That’s always been my philosophy on women in combat. Use women as snipers, pilots and on all-girl ships (submarines). Anything else is pushing it.

      • Alden

        Knowing what I do about Marxist and soviet propaganda I never believed that story
        Sniper and spotter are combat roles women are suited for but I never believed that story any more than I believe any other soviet propaganda
        She probably got a lot of confirmed kills but not that many

      • Randall Ward

        Confirmed by who? The Soviets lived by the lie.

  • David Ashton

    Join the US Infatranny – Uncle Sambo needs you!

    • MBlanc46

      Coming soon, to an army near you.

  • Luca

    I saw lots of fellow recruits drop out of USMC boot camp and infantry training. It is designed to separate the men from the boys. I imagine it should also be able to separate the men from the women.

    • dukem1

      I’ll bet you are a male chauvinist pig who doesn’t even believe in guurrrrrl power!
      If so, welcome the club.

    • MBlanc46

      Do you mean you think they’ll fix it so that only women can pass?

      • Luca

        No, It will separate the men from the boys and girls. Men pass, all others go home.

    • Cheri Rodriguez

      My platoon on P.I. started with 60 and finished with 57 (a 5% dropout rate). Guys who couldn’t cut it were usually sent to PCP first and then Casual before being shipped home. Can’t say what the dropout rate was for WMs but I suspect it was higher.

    • Seniorsquadldr

      In todays USMC the men are separated from the boys, with a crowbar.

  • connorhus

    Of course this means requirements will have to be lowered…. No matter how many young White Marines must die there will be Female Infantry officers.

    • Deacon Blue

      This is unfortunate and truthful. When I was in the service {ROTC} back 25+
      years ago it had already started. There was virtually no way that the Army was
      going to just walk away from someone who they just paid their way for the last
      4+ years to get a “free BS/BA degree.” They were getting their 4 years of
      active duty out of you, even if you ended up supervising office staff doing filing
      work on the local base. While I was not assigned {nor did I particularly want
      to be assigned} to an active combat unit and I got out before the first gulf war
      started we had plenty of folks – men as well as women – who could not or “did
      not want” to make it through even basic. Yeah, they all ended up “making it”
      irrespective of whether they could or could not hack it. You’d end up repeating
      something until you got it “the right way.” Black, women, Whites and all.

      From people who ended up being career officers and who hold field ranks of
      Major or Lt. Colonel now that I know? Most are very bitter with the military {or
      at least the army} for the “quality” of young soldiers they are seeing come
      through in the last half decade and the new ‘EEOC’ requirements. If they do
      not tow the line, they are forced out. I know some good guys {White, male}
      who are hopeful to get that full bird pinned on their uniform before they
      retire who literally are walking on egg shells in the Army because they are
      concerned that if they make any critical remarks they will become
      “non-promotable” – this sets up a dangerous situation. When your mid-level
      career guys are afraid to tell the truth for fear of being persecuted and pushed
      aside {out} it only weakens our combat readiness.

      • connorhus

        I saw the same thing when I was in the Army, both as enlisted and later as ROTC and beyond myself. At least back then we could isolate ourselves from it somewhat by going combat arms and staying away from headquarters postings. No Women and not something the Blacks wanted to do.

        What this is is a mad scramble to get Female officers in the fast track combat promotion lane. They will serve the minimum amount of time in each slot and be field grade in record time.

        • Deacon Blue

          No doubt about it! You will see some of the youngest
          Captains & Majors among any women who “make it through”
          for sure. Those that stay will have a golden path to higher ranks
          as the Diversitards are salivating to have a flag officer in a combat
          area who is female.

          Due to my AOS and billeting, I did not see a lot of Blacks during
          my “4 and out” – but we had plenty of women. About 1/3rd
          anyhow between enlisted and commissioned. I met my 1st
          wife in the service actually. Great gal, just had zero real ambition
          in life & I wanted more. She got out as a Captain & transitioned
          into a civilian position readily, one that I believe she still works
          in – or at least the same place – 20ish years later. She
          signed up for a second four years beyond mine {part of the
          reason we did not work out as I wanted out and she really
          thought she would have this amazing career & future in
          the Army}. It took me all of a week after I was stationed to
          realize that no matter what I did or how well I did it that I
          would never rise above the rank of maybe Captain or Major
          because I was White and male. Even pursuing a graduate
          degree {which I did} was not going to help me. In my AOS
          you had to be a minority to get fast tracked or you had to
          be a legacy. Majors make good money and the retirement
          bennies are OK. I think I did better though despite my
          current battles with the EEOC’ers. Considering it only got
          a lot worse after I left I am sure I made the right move now
          more than ever.

        • Alden

          You see that every time a new affirmative action group is created, a promotion every few years

  • Hammerheart

    Not only is the USMC IOC one of the hardest schools in all of the DoD, but the Combat Endurance test is a hell of a gut-check. It is designed to measure your physical and mental endurance, infantry knowledge, and ability to solve problems and stay composed while fatigued and under pressure. I was an enlisted Infantryman, but I had a platoon commander that put together a modified Combat Endurance test for all of us MARSOC/Recon hopefuls to measure our abilities and I have to say I really don’t think there is a female on earth that could pass it to the current standards.

  • Roninf9

    How many 18-20 year old girls want to be potentially turned into bloody hamburger meat by machine gun and mortar fire anyway? That’s what ground combat is. Ripping out guts and bashing skulls with high velocity metal or bare hands. Girls don’t want to do that unless they are sick in the head. The men that put them into that position are plain evil.

    Some once said that the supreme act in a man’s life is to be in combat. The supreme act in a woman’s life is to birth a child. To put women into combat is an abomination.

    • stonepillow

      I’m prone to agree but can’t help thinking of Joan-Of-Arc.

      • Roninf9

        Joan-of-Arc was more of a inspirational leader. I’m not sure how much blood she got on her hands. I’m not saying women can’t fight or won’t fight in defense of her home and her family. In that they can be brutal. Putting them in modern front line combat units with men though is an different matter entirely.

      • Reynardine

        Joan never participated in combat. She was just an inspirational leader.

      • Alden

        She had a body guard of 100 knights She couldn’t fight off the enemy which was why she was captured one of her guards was Giles de Rais better known as Bluebeard

        If you are interested in woman who were real combat infantry
        Google Renee Bourdereau Vendee revolution

    • MBlanc46

      Of course they don’t want to do that. But that doesn’t mean they don’t want to be Marine officers. We’ll just have to change the job description,.

    • Whiteplight

      Ahem, it’s women that are putting them into that position and, …. themselves. The military has been all volunteer since 1976.

    • Seniorsquadldr

      They are not girls, women, or even female, they are lesbians.

      • John Smith

        Not all, but I do believe many are.

    • Alden

      It wasn’t men who put girls into combat it was Marxist women, the girls born in the 1930’s and 40’s to hard core communist parents

  • stonepillow

    I took the enlisted version and don’t ever remember anyone given the opportunity to fail. They hold you back and send you into a new company to repeat but you had to eventually graduate or they’d discharge you because every Marine had to be infantry trained even those candy-asses destined for the air wing. So what’s up with the Corps or as Obama would say the “corpse” ? Semper Fi!

  • JohnEngelman

    I am glad they did not have an affirmative policy that lowered requirements for those women.

    Most women cannot fight. If the enemy captures them most get raped.

    • MBlanc46

      Yet.

    • LHathaway

      Men’s and women’s military service is based on double standards. Men and women have different minimum standards they must meet, such as the number of pushups, situps, and how quickly they must finish a 2 mile run. Until women must cut their hair and are prevented from wearing make-up there will be glaringly obvious and basic double standards, favoring women, for those serving in the military. It hasn’t seemed to have affected military readiness.

      • Alden

        I read something about our troops in Europe during the height of the Cold War. It was something like Only 50,000 combat troops and more than 300,000 support troops

        • 李冠毅

          That is to be expected, as today’s military is highly technical. I’ve read that a fighter plane requires several hours of maintenance for each hour of flight. And that’s just the planes, there are tons of other equipment, from radar to vehicles, that require constant maintenance. There is also the need to transport tools and spare parts. As a result, for each soldier who saw combat, there are several support troops who stay behind the front-lines to keep the military functioning.

  • dondavy

    Marine officers lead from the front. It’s always “follow me”.

  • Roninf9

    IIRC the Israelis tried putting girls in co-ed combat units and the men died protecting the girls instead of closing with the enemy. That was the end of that.

    • Johann Wald

      Was that before they found out that if they bribed enough American politicians, they could get the US to fight their wars for them?

      • Alden

        No it was because the early zionists needed the propaganda value

        Theme song of the Israeli army
        Onward Christian Soldiers

        • Johann Wald

          I was being bitterly sarcastic but that part about the theme song is downright funny.

  • LHathaway

    This isn’t about Marines or Marine officers. This is about garbage collectors. We still need them so some chauvinism must survive . . .

    • John Smith

      “Equality” just doesn’t fit the natural scheme of things.

  • GeneticsareDestiny

    Women do not belong in most portions of the armed forces. We are just not strong enough or fast enough. I really wish women wouldn’t embarrass our entire sex by trying foolish things like this that they are doomed to fail at for basic biological reasons. Any woman who doubts the difference in physical capabilities between men and women should simply take a look at this:

    • MBlanc46

      Don’t worry, the standards will be lowered so that your sex will no longer be embarrassed.

      • GeneticsareDestiny

        No, that’s even worse! I sincerely hope they don’t do this. Our armed forces need to have high standards; this is vital for our national defense.

        • MBlanc46

          From whom? Latin American invaders? Not to worry, we provide them with servants and lawyers.

        • Alden

          Our last defensive war was the war of 1812. The Texas and California wars were revolutions against the Mexican govt
          We invade all over the world but no one invades us with an army that is.

  • Brady

    “All rulers in all ages have tried to impose a false view of the world upon their followers, but they could not afford to encourage any illusion that tended to impair military efficiency. So long as defeat meant the loss of independence, or some other result generally held to be undesirable, the precautions against defeat had to be serious. Physical facts could not be ignored. In philosophy, or religion, or ethics, or politics, two and two might make five, but when one was designing a gun or an aeroplane they had to make four. Inefficient nations were always conquered sooner or later, and the struggle for efficiency was inimical to illusions.”

    George Orwell, “Nineteen Eighty-Four”

  • Hilis Hatki

    In 1941 the Germans captured a Russian tank with a husband and wife crew. Near Tula they captured a female rifle battalion. At Stalingrad it was a baby face cutie pie female who took German prisoners to the garden and executed them, after their interrogation. Russian women, “Night Witches”, flew open cockpit bombers on night missions. Russian female tankers fought on the drive to Berlin.

    Flip it

    Females in trenches…and you thought WW1 trench foot was bad. I can smell deer, we could smell “others” in the tropical jungle. A woman’s odor would be like smelling home cooking. No woman on earth could have “humped” and endured what we did.

    Women in war…. is just like all Strategies and Tactics ….

    • John Smith

      They’d probably go into septic shock from months of no hygiene in the field, wearing the same clothes the whole time.

    • Nimadan

      The Russians are coming out with a major movie about a female sniper who was credited with 300 kills during the “Great Patriotic War”.

  • InAFreeCountry

    The defense of our country is not the area where we should be using social engineering.

    • Michael Robert Ryan

      The purpose of the U.S. military is no longer to defend our country. Its purpose is to fight wars for oil and Israel. And soon, another purpose it will be turned to is to disarm and genocide white Americans domestically. The more it is weakened by these Laputan diversicrats, the better. As Napoleon was fond of saying, “never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.”

  • Anglokraut

    The psychotic rarely believe that the voices aren’t real. That would suggest that they are still living in reality, and psychosis requires a break from reality.

  • MekongDelta69

    GOOD

    Semper Fi, not Semper Feminazi…

  • Cheri Rodriguez

    He must’ve had a very long arm to make that slap. She operated in Odessa and Sevastopol up until June 1942; he was at Stalingrad from Sept 1942 – Jan 1943.

  • Lexonaut

    This is what happens when you have sexist white, patriarchal non-inclusive military forces. You get the Marines you deserve. Live with it.

  • Blackfish

    Let them fly the drones. That’s close enough to combat for them.

  • slobotnavich

    Boy, it this ever a shocker! Women couldn’t make it through the USMC IOC! Nor would they make it through the Army Ranger School, SEAL training, or any number of other military training courses intended for male fighting men. Even the Israelis gave up on this hare-brained idea. Men start, win, fight, and often lose wars, leaving the women to clean up the resultant messes.

  • Katherine McChesney

    No contest!

  • John Smith

    Even if you win against a woman, it’s no victory. They should’ve picked a negro Marine, since blacks are experts in beating up white women and no white man has to accept the loss of moral standing having done so.

  • De’Ontavious Jizzaiah Jones

    I am an Army retiree and I have never supported opening all military jobs to women. I remember it first became a big issue back in late 80s when I was in college and I wrote a research paper opposing it for an English class . The female professor was surprised at first by my choice of topic but she came around with all my physical statistics – some of which could be found at the back of the Army Physical Fitness Manual – and my interviews with male Infantry and Rangers about their experiences. Yet, to this day, too many females who consider themselves feminists and have zero military experience continue to argue for it. So in a way I am glad the experiment was tried so that now there are cold hard facts to point to.

  • Albert

    I liked how in the movie GI Jane the protagonist objected to passing tests under lowered standards that applied only to her. The reason the character protested was on the grounds that she would receive less respect for not having met the same requirements as the rest. Any self-respecting person would demand no less of themselves and others.

  • Alden

    I read a banned book once.
    Number 4 was “appoint the unfit and incompetent”

  • Thank Goodness, some good news for once.

  • Nimadan

    My guess is that foolish woman sucker-punched a couple of drunk guys in bars and from such trivial victories had convinced herself she was actually tough.

  • slobotnavich

    I think the Marines have cast aside a brilliant and progressive idea, one that should be applied to the NFL, the NBA, and all of big league baseball. “Everybody knows” that male-female physical differences are merely social constructs, designed to exclude women from lucrative traditionally male occupations and to preserve the gross patrimonious injustices inflicted on all females. Additionally, men who break marriage engagements should be required to pay alimony to the aggrieved woman equal to 75% of their take-home pay.