An Edgy Inquiry

The Economist, April 4, 2015

By law, French authorities cannot collect ethnic statistics. All citizens are considered equal. Differentiating them is felt to imply stigmatisation, or even worse to echo the singling out of Jews that took place under the collaborationist Vichy regime in the 1940s.

Yet however strong the historical reasons, this approach makes it difficult to tell whether French people of different backgrounds really do fare as well as each other. A new study suggests they do not.

It comes, surprisingly, from an official source: France Stratégie, the government’s economic-strategy unit, which is run by Jean Pisani-Ferry, an economist. The authors get round the ethnicity taboo by using census data on national origin. Several decades after mass immigration began, enough long-term data exist to see how the generation raised in France by parents from other countries has done.

In a word, badly. Youth unemployment of 32% for French-born citizens whose parents arrived from Africa, including sub-Saharan countries and those of the Maghreb, is twice as high as for those with no immigrant background. Fully 30% leave high school without any diploma or qualification, against 16% of those without immigrant parents. French people with parents from Africa have less stable working lives, and are more likely to live in poor neighbourhoods, than those with non-African immigrant backgrounds, the report finds.

Other studies use the data to reveal further differences by national origin. French-born citizens with parents from Morocco or Tunisia, for example, seem to do better at school than those with parents from Algeria or the African Sahel. Only 10% of French men aged 25-35 with Algerian-born parents, and just 9% of those with parents from the Sahel, have a degree, against 19% of those with Moroccan or Tunisian parents and 23% of the non-immigrant population. (Among those with south-east Asian roots, the figure tops 30%.)

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  • Just like everywhere else.

    • LHathaway

      Just like everywhere else, they need to look a little bit deeper and examine what’s really going on. Hasn’t the phrase, “we didn’t really know what was going on” grown a little stale?

      • rightrightright

        When you bake a cake, you put it in the oven and don’t open the oven door to check on it until it has cooked through, or the crust will crack. So you ‘don’t know what is going on’ either. It is intentional not to know what is going on while the treason cake is still cooking.

  • Fed Up

    Don’t forget to factor in the CRIME statistics for immigrants!

    No matter what the Liberaliars claim — crime is very much a part of immigrant culture.

    • Speedy Steve

      Just ask the local gendarmes, or sit in felony court one day. This is something French reporters are too scared to do.

    • Germanic Depressive

      The dynamic of them being in our countries will always be one of getting away with something, taking advantage, looting while they can, etc.

      They know on a deep level that they don’t belong here and they’ve lucked out to get into our nations. While they’re here, their mindset is similar to a criminal who has broken into a shop and knows that it’s only a matter of time before the cops show up. So the idea is to grab the best stuff he can as fast as he can.

      So while they’re in our nations they are trying to get the best goodies they can, and for many of them their top prize is a white woman. A woman they never should have had access to in the first place. For all of them, grabbing as many handouts as they can from the government is part of the plan. For many, that is insufficient and they want to revel in destruction of things they could have never built on their own.

      When will people realize that they not only have these natural inclinations, but they also lack any sense of belonging or a bond with the history and genetics of our nations, which completely undermines the sort of social contract and feeling of deep connection which would be necessary to discourage criminality?

      • Ditto for American blacks who we brought here. After 400 years they still know they don’t belong here.

  • how about this

    Oh my God, we must take action to combat Moroccan and Tunisian privilege! I propose a tax on being Moroccan or Tunisian. They need to pay their fair share!

    • No. Just go back to Morocco and Tunisia, where they came from. Then I don’t care how much taxes they pay.

  • Put this on bumper sticker: You import the thurd world, you get the thurd world.

    By the way, I know how to spell.

    • Speedy Steve

      Have you slugged your kid today?

    • Lexonaut

      For some reason I’m reminded of the following light bulb joke …

      Q: How many New York City union electricians does it take to change a light bulb?

      A: Tree. You godda problem wit dat?

  • superlloyd

    The Bell Curve can’t be imagined away. Sorry, libtards. Your creed is a pack of lies and will never be realised.

  • USofAntiWhite

    The real question should be; does France benefit from importing African people and if so, in what way?

    • InAFreeCountry

      Funniest thing I’ve seen all day.

    • I will, show some respect for African American culture here, on my comment and reply. (Sorry, Mr. Jared Taylor.) So, my reply to your comment is to quote from a Motown song:
      “If you don’t know (me) by now, you will never know…”

  • hastings88

    “French people with parents from Africa . . .”

    There are no such people.

    • They are about as common as humans, with parents born on Mars.

  • logwarrior

    So they are just as useless in France as they are in the US. Their batch didn’t endure slavery, so what will be the excuse?

    • Colonialism is the excuse. Racism in France is the excuse. Failure of the French to integrate them is the cause of their crime /sarcasm end.

      • dd47

        Their Prime Minister of the “Socialist Party”- Manuel Valls- holds exactly that attitude, actually:
        “territorial, social and ethnic apartheid”
        “The fight against hatred, anti-Semitism in all its forms, racism — these fights are absolutely urgent”
        “We have to look at all the divisions, the tensions that have been going on for years… the neglect of the suburbs, the ghettos, the social misery,”

        • how about this

          If he is so interested in opposing anti-Semitism, is he opposing immigration by the kind of people who firebomb synagogues?

        • Alden

          He is a Spanish immigrant Became a French citizen when he was 20

      • It’s pretty bad when a sarcastic reply actually sounds like a serious mainstream liberal argument.

  • Light from the East

    It’s a universal phenomenon worldwide. It can be modeled to predict the future when you have large samples. No surprise to me.

  • I understand that doing such studies in France is a CRIME. Analyzing Black crime is a crime. People get arrested, fined, and imprisoned (?) for such vile thoughts. Anyone has links and details on this?

    I guess Jared Taylor’s study “The color of crime” is a crime in France.

    This seems worse than the medieval inquisition.

    I am positive that racial and ethnic quotas will come soon, like in the US. They will probably be color blind only regarding ethnic crime, but very racially sensitive regarding racial “injustice”. Europeans are very strong on “gender” quotas already.
    The article’s writers have never heard about IQ or inborn racial differences. If they mentioned such heresy, they certainly would be criminalized in France.

    >>>What explains the French pattern? History may play a part. The bloody war for Algeria’s independence may have created feelings of hostility to the French system, and general alienation, which are slow to disappear. Poverty and discrimination clearly play a role. Many French immigrants came from countries with very low living standards, like Mali, Mauritania and Niger. And coming from a poor family background, notes the France Stratégie study, seems to have a stronger impact on school performance in France than it does in other comparable countries.

  • Sweden has about 5000 violent stranger rapes a year, almost all of them perpetrated by immigrants (including those that are already swedish citizens). These 5000 rapes could have been avoided by not inviting these strangers into Sweden.

    On the other hand, so many Somalis are still left in Somalia, that Sweden’s self destruction has not even made a dent in the suffering of the Somalis and other Africans.

    Is it not a cruel to import criminals into peaceful towns and cities? If you compare how towns are now, and how they could be without these immigrants, the difference in murders, rapes, robberies are due to immigration policy.

    In European papers you read, every day, about towns who MUST do their share and host refugees. Many of them are opposed to this but are obliged. Those citizens who are in favor of refugees suffer from pathological altruism, but more so from misinformation. They are not aware that they are ruining the future of their town.

    Did immigration policy CAUSE 5000 rapes in Sweden per year. Did it CAUSE 40 000 car burnings per year in France. Will those responsible take responsibility?

    Oh no, it ithe fault of the Swedes and French who FAILED to integrate the peaceful immigrants.

  • An East German town resists Asylum seekers. But they MUST house 40 Africans, Syrians, whatever in their 2000 person village.

    aljazeera com/news/2015/04/german-housing-asylum-seekers-burnt-150405104620256.html

    Burning their future housing (with nobody in it yet) is not a good thing. But forcing a quiet crime free village to house people who will bring crime, and cost, is evil too.

    I believe that this is the same village that in the past destroyed an asylum seekers’ housing ultimately driving them out.

  • The Dude

    Yeah, so?

  • David Ashton

    From French Algeria to Algerian France. Who are better off?

  • JohnEngelman

    There should never be any taboos against telling the truth.