The University of Oklahoma chapter of Sigma Alpha Epsilon has hired a very high-profile lawyer after being kicked off campus in the aftermath of the racist-chant video coming to light.

The fraternity has engaged the services of Stephen Jones, best known as the lead defense attorney for Timothy McVeigh during the Oklahoma City bombing trial. In a press conference, Jones stated that the preference is to avoid litigation in the matter, but suing the school, and potentially President David Boren, isn’t off the table.

Jones told affiliate NewsChannel 4 in Oklahoma that his clients were angered over the summary closing of their house and having their entire fraternity labeled by Boren as racists.

“Obviously there are issues about First Amendment rights, due process and real estate issues, but we’re still gathering documents,” said Jones.


On Wednesday, Boren announced the creation of a vice president of diversity to help improve activities to make university life feel more inclusive and to aid in diversifying the pool of applicants for faculty and staff positions, according to


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  • phorning

    It is about time. What took them so long and what is the downside for fighting this obvious violation of the University of Oklahoma’s own rules?

    • John Smith

      Consequences don’t apply to blacks and exemptions and protections don’t apply to whites.

    • Realist

      “What took them so long and what is the downside for fighting this obvious violation of the University of Oklahoma’s own rules?”

      They will lose and it will cost a lot.

  • The fraternity has engaged the services of Stephen Jones, best known as the lead defense attorney for Timothy McVeigh during the Oklahoma City bombing trial.

    And we saw how well that worked out for Timothy McVeigh.

    SAE is doomed.

    • TruthBeTold

      Yeah. And it’s not good PR either.

      • TCA

        finally someone is fighting back, and this is how you react?
        WTF is wrong with you?

        • TruthBeTold

          I’m glad they’re fighting back but can you not see how the choice of representation is going to be a heyday for the opposition?

      • WJaMrenfan

        I am not familiar with Mr. Jones (the lawyer hired by the fraternity) but he is AV rated in Martindale Hubbel, a good source (AV is the highest rating possible). He was admitted to practice in 1966, so he has a lot of experience. Representing Timothy McVeigh could not have been easy, and that does carry some baggage and notoriety. I also don’t know the circumstances under which he represented McVeigh. I just hope Boren gets his well due comeuppance and the students who were lynched get justice.

        • TruthBeTold

          By all means, I hope Jones comes out swinging and hits hard and I hope President Boren gets thoroughly trashed for his outrageous over reaction and over reach and in the end is forced to resign.

          I just wish the frat could have chosen someone with less baggage.

  • I hope they sue the university big time, and then personally and legally go after all the administrative officials for what they’ve done to this fraternity.

  • anony

    Hope springs eternal!

    Imagine spending decades attempting to brain-wash a people only to find the youngsters singing songs like those SAE “brothers”.

    Sing a joyful song!!!

  • Sloppo

    “On Wednesday, Boren announced the creation of a vice president of diversity to help improve activities to make university life feel more inclusive and to aid in diversifying getting rid of white people in the pool of applicants for faculty and staff positions, according to NewsOK(dot)com.”

    • notyranny

      The University system is going over a cliff. Under no circumstances will I send my children to one of these indoctrination camps.

      • We whites must regroup and create our own higher learning institutions. I suspect apprenticeships will once again become a popular choice.

        • notyranny

          Exactly, that’s the route I plan to follow. I did a internship in college and learned more in one semester than the rest combined.

        • Germanicus

          Bingo. One needs to make sure a top-notch accreditation system is in place too. Getting the students hired will be bumpy during the self-segregating process, but will accelerate as time and events progress.

      • Alden

        Make sure they take algebra2 and trigonometry in high school and apply for an electrician’s union apprentice program. If they are lucky they can start at 18 or 19 and be making $50,000 to $100,000 a year depending on what part of the country by the time they are 25.

  • TCA

    ‘Atta boy.
    Stick it to those “liberals.”

  • TomIron361

    What shriveled up pieces of manhood these university presidents are.

  • superlloyd

    Let’s hope this marks the start of a successful campaign to get the fraternity reinstated.

    • John Smith

      And the expelled students.

  • LHathaway

    “The fraternity has engaged the services of Stephen Jones, best known as the lead defense attorney for Timothy McVeigh during the Oklahoma City bombing trial”.

    It was the first name in the yellow pages, what can you do?

  • newscomments70

    I went to college in a “diverse” rust belt city. I was in a fraternity as well. One of the local black youths seemed to be stalking me. I don’t know if he was gay, wanted to rob me, etc…no idea. He would follow me around, and walk past the house repeatedly, staring; he would often do this when I was outside. My Italian fraternity brother noticed this and asked him, “what are you looking at, (n-word)?” That solved the problem, I never saw the weirdo again. There were no news crews, no one knew or cared. We had black fraternity brothers who did not care; they probably would have said the same thing.

    I saw a black man comment on this story. He admitted that his black fraternity would often saw awful things about whites, hispanics, Asians, and even light skinned blacks (who weren’t black enough). He claimed to have outgrown this behavior and was shocked that such obvious racism was ignored.

    If you’re white, you’re not allowed to be human anymore.

    • Making us nonpersons is a crucial step if their intentions are genocide.

  • Guatemalan Housekeeper

    Hilarious. This is the biggest joke I’ve seen in years! Bkacks speaking among themselves routinely use terms like, “white MFer”, “cracker b*tches”, “casper”, “snow flake ba*tards” , and on and on. They know it and they do it yet they are PRETENDING to be oh so offended by the tame white lingo. This is BS!

    • Dwight

      Saltine here. You speak the truth housekeeper. I have overheard them many times. Common and routine.

      • anony

        When I was in the third grade oh so many years ago, I was called a “white soda cracka” by a black kid on a black school bus. This was in Virginia when schools were still segregated.

    • WhiteVeinKratom

      I prefer the term “Toe Head”.
      Hell, I’ll wear any of them as a badge of honor!

  • james AZ

    HEY. President of O U. You are BIG joke that you gave black player second chance to stay school after push 18 years old female off stair….. That dangerous way get hurt. SAE song. Harmless huh IDIOTS

    • Sticks and stones only hurt my bones, but words can always hurt.

      It is amazing how words and symbols outweigh mayhem and murder. Throwing a banana onto a soccer field is worse than throwing stones and glass bottles. Maybe even worse than molotov cocktails.

      • Alexandra1973

        Sticks and stones may break my bones…but a banana–that’s a riotin’!

  • I thought they hired this guy. He destroyed the tobacco industry.

    www prlog org/12434501-college-presidents-and-other-brass-to-be-sued-personally-over-date-rape.html

    PRLog – March 13, 2015 – WASHINGTON — The costs to schools of dealing with allegations of date rapes and other campus sexual assaults, which may have already topped 100 million dollars, could skyrocket under plans announced this morning to sue nor only colleges, but also key academic administrators, for violating the constitutional rights of accused students.

    The plans – and an explanation about how and why conducting expulsion hearings which do not permit accused students to cross examine accusers and others violates their right to Due Process under the U.S. Constitution – were revealed by public interest law professor John Banzhaf.

    The controversial professor, “The Man Behind the Ban on Cigarette Commercials,” and “a Driving Force Behind the Lawsuits That Have Cost Tobacco Companies Billions of Dollars,” has also been called an “Entrepreneur of Litigation, [and] a Trial Lawyer’s Trial Lawyer.”

    That’s because he helped develop and popularize many novel legal theories in addition of those related to tobacco. These include victories against food companies over the issue of fat (“The Man Big Tobacco and Now Fast Food Love to Hate,” and the lawyer “Who’s Leading the Battle Against Big Fat”), a leading Supreme Court decision protecting the environment, several novel law suits attacking governmental corruption, and over 100 successful legal actions protecting women from sex discrimination.

    On this basis he announced at a press conference this morning at the National Press Club that “nobody can accuse me of being anti-woman, a men’s-rightist, or even a diehard conservative or libertarian.”

    According to Prof Banzhaf, state schools considering dismissal of students charged with date rape or other sexual assaults must provide them with Due Process by assuring them of various procedural protections, including the right to cross examine adverse witnesses.

    These fundamental rights cannot be taken away or abridged by the university, by any federal agency, or even by Congress, because they grow out of a constitutional principle and formula established by the U.S. Supreme Court. Moreover, entities and individuals – such as college presidents – who violate these rights can be sued in federal court, not only for monetary damages, but also for attorney fees.

    The Supreme Court rule and formula provides that when people face serious losses based upon the finding of specific individual facts – whether that’s a loss of benefits, or of a job, or the loss of student status – the entity making the decision must adopt any procedural protection likely to help prevent an unfair loss of the benefit, unless it’s too expensive or otherwise too burdensome to do so.

    Thus, in date rape situations, where there’s often no other evidence but his word against her’s, the accused must be able to use what Wigmore famously called “the greatest legal engine ever invented for the discovery of truth,” cross examination.

    In other words, the right to be able to cross examine is most vital when the only two witnesses to an event tell diametrically opposed versions of the same event – which is typical in date rape cases.

    For example, in a case known as Donahue v, Baker, 976 F.Supp. 136 (N.D. NY. 1997), a rape charge against a male student hinged solely on whether a female had consented to the act of sexual intercourse which both agreed had taken place.

    The federal court held that the accused had a constitutional right to cross-examine the complainant because the only evidence that the act had not been consented to was her testimony, and the determination of guilt or innocence therefore rested solely on her credibility.

    It’s unfortunate but true that universities often react more quickly and effectively to legal and other pressures than to fairness, reason, or logic, says Banzhaf. For too long they failed to act decisively to complaints of rape because of pressure from coaches and big donors, and concerns about their reputations.

    Then they overreacted to legal threats from the federal government to begin expelling students accused of rape, even if they has to scrap most procedures providing fairness, Banzhaf argues.

    So, to help counter, or counterbalance, this pressure from the federal government, Banzhaf said he planned to work with others to put college president and other administrators on notice that they must begin providing students facing dismissal for date rape the fundamental procedural protections required by the Due Process clause of the United States Constitution, or face potential legal liability.

    If they refuse, he plans to help attorneys representing the student to “SUE THE BASTARDS” – with law suits being brought not only against the school, but also its responsible administrators.

    They must understand that being sued in one’s individual capacity is very unpleasant and taxing, even if the university promises to reimburse the administrator for any adverse judgments.

    Being named as a defendant in a law suit can affect a person’s credit rating where the notation can remain for many years, regardless of the outcome of the litigation.

    Many such individuals may also find it necessary to hire their own attorneys, not completely trusting that university lawyers will give their interests the same priority as their employer’s.
    Finally, they may have to submit to pre-trial discovery.

    • Somebody should have done this 25 years ago, when Political Correctness began to become really firmly entrenched on university campuses.

  • LeonNJ

    Good for them. To scare the school a little bit, this lawyer should say, “If you think tuition is high now, wait until I’m through with you!”

  • LastBastionOfHope

    Good. Oklahoma can’t possibly win. You can’t just banish people and organizations from saying something in a public university.

  • bv

    Don’t ever regulate speech, no matter what!!

  • shawnmer

    No objections in the least for retaining a lawyer, but, for the sake of optics, guys, could you not find anyone besides McVeigh’s??

    • Jeff

      Why not? Clearly, the battle lines have already been drawn. May as well go all in with an attorney who you know will not hesitate at butchering any sacred cows.

      • Usually Much Calmer

        I agree. No pussyfooting.

  • dd121

    Most colleges and universities are run like little communist dictatorships. Fortunately, the legal system still offers some respite.

    • anony

      Not “like little communist dictatorships”, they are “little communist dictatorships”. That’s why all the “politically correct” stuff is called Cultural Marxism, that is, Groupthink.

  • Strider73

    When the OU presidency was open c. 1990, several leading candidates withdrew their names from consideration, on the grounds that the post was ceremonial and Barry Switzer — then the head football coach — was actually running the place. I suspect the same is true today. Boren is just a figurehead acting on the orders of current coach Bob Stoops. One black high school player has already changed his mind, and Stoops must forestall any further damage at all costs. This is also why Boren routinely gives multiple “second chances” to black thug athletes. I hope Mr. Jones names de facto president Stoops as a co-defendant in whatever lawsuit he ultimately files.

    • IstvanIN

      Stoop probably likes having the easily blackmailed Boren as President.

  • archer

    Boren is dirty, he let 1 black stay on the team after assaulting and causing severe bodily injury to a woman, and took another miscreant from Missouri in to play even though he had multiple drug arrests and was charged with breaking into a woman’s apartment and throwing one of them down a flight of stairs. Boren is a creep, I hope they go to trial and is shown to be the hypocrite he is. In regards to the first black he said ” I believe in second chances”, well I guess that only applies to certain people.

  • As it is, Stephen Jones could have been Clarence Darrow and it wouldn’t have mattered. Official story or the alternate stories I’ve believed in the last 20 years, there’s no way McVeigh didn’t do something worth a guilty verdict and the death penalty.

  • Pat Boyle

    I’m a news junkie but I’ve yet to hear or watch this so-called ‘racist chant’. There are plenty of references in the news to their song but I would like to judge for myself.

    • TheMaskedUnit

      Of course it would never make it past the censors but basically “(the word that shall not be used by white people) will never be allowed in their club.”

      Naturally the negro must attach himself as he can not resist being oppressed. SAE won’t let him be victimized so they took SAE’s ball and went looking for other white people to be oppressed by.

  • listenupbub

    another (black) person making tons of money to jack off all day in a diversity officer job.

  • newscomments70

    exactly. And if a black person is actually physically attacking a white person, it is unlikely to receive any coverage, except on low traffic, niche websites.

    What happened to you, if you don’t mind me asking?

  • notyranny

    Brick and mortar universities are obsolete in this new age. The worlds information is at everyones fingertips. Why go into enormous debt and possibly lose your children to Groupthink and the seductive arguments of the Radicals? We will vote with our wallets and our feet and find a better way. The Universities, sadly, are intellectual carcasses stripped clean by the radical left.

  • Alden

    The San Francisco police department is going after some officers for private

    ” racist and homophobic comments ”
    Made in 2010. The liberals are going after Whites.