Chinese Student Spies Overwhelm US

Joshua Philipp, Epoch Times, September 19, 2014

Intelligence agencies around the world typically regard China’s approach to spying as sloppy and unprofessional. While many other countries focus on stealth and finesse for espionage, China’s focus is on mass numbers.

While regarded as unprofessional, China’s approach has also been extremely effective. The challenge posed by China comes down to a simple fact: It has too many spies for foreign intelligence agencies to keep track of.

“Our nation is overwhelmed. The problem is too big,” said Paul Williams in a phone interview. Williams is chief information officer at BlackOps Partners Corporation, which does counterintelligence and protection of trade secrets and competitive advantage for Fortune 500 companies.

Student spies–often college kids–play a fundamental role in this system. They help bolster a system of espionage where each person does a small share of the work. It’s based on the idea that you could have one spy steal 10,000 documents, or you could have 10,000 spies each steal one document.

By taking the approach of mass numbers for espionage, the Chinese regime has U.S. intelligence agencies outnumbered. In terms of both keeping tabs on their activities, and prosecuting Chinese spies, the United States can’t keep up.

The idea behind recruiting students as spies, according to Williams, is “if you can groom them in college” then they can be used to gain access to research at universities. After college, he added, “You can pick those students then follow their careers into corporate America.”

The Chinese regime can work spies recruited in college into positions in research, government agencies, or U.S. companies.

According to Williams many Chinese spies are not official spies. “Yes, you have those hardcore Chinese spies, but those are usually the minority,” he said. “The majority are just people who get asked to do something on the side.”

According to sources, the grooming process typically takes place before the students leave to study abroad. They may get approached by Chinese security officials who remind them to remain loyal to the motherland, and ask them to report back with anything that could benefit China.

For them, spying is often viewed as a matter of patriotic duty.

Williams said the approach typically works because the Chinese spy agencies don’t ask the students for much. The individual contribution, he noted, is often so minuscule that many may not even think of what they’re doing as espionage.

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In April, the FBI started a public information campaign warning U.S. students traveling abroad to be wary of intelligence networks interested in recruiting them as spies.

The FBI released a video telling the story of Glenn Shriver, an American student who was recruited by Chinese spies while studying in Shanghai. He was later caught and sentenced to four years in prison in 2011 after his spy handlers tried getting him into the CIA.

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  • TomIron361

    I always knew all that talk of how smart the Chinese are was a bunch of baloney.They’re spying on us because they’re not as smart as we are.

    • Bossman

      Much of their technology has been stolen from the USA or given freely by the USA government in the hope that they will become more democratic which is not happening.

      • Spaniard in LA

        Israel also sells stolen American technology to China.

    • Weisheit77

      Well, you do have to realize they did suffer from Communist rule and a massive war. I’m not defending them, but remember the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean, America’s two best armies.
      Some people theorize that the North’s war of Aggression against the South set them back by 115 years or so.

      • Alden

        Are you talking about the Taiping rebellion? That was bad enough but another problem was 2 retarded Emperors in succession. The Empresses did the best they could but 19th century China
        was a mess.
        The leader of the rebellion was a lunatic who thought
        he was Jesus Christ and set up slave labor farms in the south. Officially the rebellion only lasted 20 years but the result was almost a century of anarchy and warlords

        • Weisheit77

          Well that too, but I was mainly thinking of the Japanese invasion in Manchuria.

    • listenupbub

      They are spying because some of them are in competition with us, and are willing to play dirty.

    • BloodofAlbion75

      The obvious solution to this crisis of banning Chinese “students” from coming here in the first place will continue to be rejected by TPTB who are hell-bent on keeping our borders open.

    • Realist

      IQ tests show on average Chinese are smarter than whites by about 6 points.

      • ElComadreja

        If America didn’t have blacks and mestizos dragging down the average that wouldn’t be the case.

      • 3G4Me

        The Chinese who take those IQ tests are a self-selected minority of the country, and even if that were not so, there is an unmeasurable dimension of intellectual curiosity and creativity that they distinctively lack.

        And even if all else were equal, they are still Chinese: a different race and a different culture which has many of its own countries. They need to be made to leave ours.

        • Realist

          You people are living in a dream world. Whites are getting their ass kicked.

    • BlueSonicStreak

      They score higher on IQ tests, and have larger brains (with larger skulls as a result). But I guess not only are they cheating the IQ tests, they’re somehow making their brains bigger.

      Damn those Chinamen.

    • ElComadreja

      Whites innovate, Asians imitate, blacks desecrate.

  • Charles Martel

    Just like their engineers quantity not quality. The best they can do for advancement is improving their ability to copy

    • Bossman

      Copying is what the Chinese do best.

      • evilsandmich

        I don’t know about that; those copies don’t have much of a market outside of Chinatown rubes.

    • Ultimate187

      What they’re doing isn’t mere copying.

  • IstvanIN

    Patriotic duty wish we had some more of that among real Americans.

    • John Smith

      The way this country is now, I couldn’t, in good conscience, aid our govt. It is the patriotic duty of Americans to NOT cooperate with the US govt.

      • Weisheit77

        Precisely, I wish the people in my father’s generation that helped Ford through Reagen get elected would have realized just how sneaky the left was. They participated in good conscience and now where are we? I’m talking just back to the ’80s!

        • BloodofAlbion75

          Loyalty to our current minority-occupied government is treason to our fellow White Americans.

      • BloodofAlbion75

        Just be sure to make the distinction between our corrupt overlords in Washington,DC and the average,hard-working American people.

        • John Smith

          Every DC scumbag sent packing is a bit more freedom for a real American.

    • evilsandmich

      The default process for just about any citizen of any other country is to help the homeland, an idea that’s just about dead in America; helped along by our treacherous elites.

    • Weisheit77

      You have to consider that China still has a blood connection for the Chinese.

      The US of A has convinced me that I have precious little blood connection to this land even if my ancestors helped settle it and fight in its wars.

      I’m only slightly joking when I say these days I could sooner seeing myself buying a plane ticket to Russia to defect to Putin if the shooting started.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        It’s not only that but the outright hatred and contempt, turning you into a second class citizen. What kind of idiot country turns against its smartest and most productive citizens? Well the Soviet Union did it in the early 1900s and we see the results of them rounding up and killing intellectuals and other productive citizens.

        • Alden

          It was the intellectuals who made the revolution. Boo hoo

          • Absolutely true. But absolutely also true: there were more groupings than intellectuals versus non-intellectuals.

      • listenupbub

        Go ahead and buy an extra ticket for the seat next to you on the plane. I will ride with you, amigo. I will pay you back.

      • ElComadreja

        I’d be on the plane with you.

    • listenupbub

      Why would I aid a country that is forcing me to lose my genetic character to the hordes of browns and blacks trying to absorb as much white DNA as possible before they take us over?

      Why would I aid a country that acts against economic security for 99% of its people, in the interest of 1%?

      Why would I aid a country that promotes the viciously intolerant ideological discrimination (to people of the right-wing) that have driven my father into near-isolation?

      Why would I aid the country that promotes the blurring of national borders through free trade and free immigration, making the concept of a “country” pointless in the end?

      Why would I aid a country that is run by pinheads who have contempt for their countrymen (I’m looking at your fat a**, Gruber)?

      I could go on for days, brother.

  • Race Heretic

    I for the life of me do not understand why we allow full-blooded Chinese access to classified material. It’s a simple matter of national security. Immigration is a fifth column.

  • This does not surprise me. Most Chinese students are communist-indoctrinated, and they will do whatever it takes to serve their communist country. Trust me on that. I am against the communists, but I think that China is pretty much lost for the time being. It will be quite hard to ever get a nationalist movement to overthrow the communist government, because the tentacles of the government are everywhere.

    • Weisheit77

      I find a tinge of nationalism, too. Not the Chinese Nationalism of the Kuomintang or the Chinese Nationalism you advocate, more like the “USA USA” nationalism of some silly Americans.

      I have a Chinese friend with whom I’ve promised never to mention Chairman Mao’ name around. I like history, politics, and alcohol on weekend nights and I have a thing for Germany, so this inevitably leads to discussions about the great dictators of the 20th century. It never ends well.

      I have met a few who openly hate Mao and the communist party, but they’re rare.

      • I am opposed to Party-styled nationalism. Party-styled nationalists are fake nationalists in my humble opinion, because they put Party interests before the people’s interests. The Party tries to convince us they represent the people’s interests, but, as far as I can tell, they represent their own interests, and whenever the people’s and Party’s interests meet, it is only “lucky” coincidence.

    • Raymond Kidwell

      Most wealthy Chinese immigrate to the U.S, or the West. There is a net brain drain on China. The U.S. actually is winning by absorbing many of their richest or smartest people. The cost of this is the number of spies. Most Asians I met in America don’t have the highest opinion of Asia. They like the U.S. better which is why they are here.

      • Alden

        I have gathered that you, like I have been a victim if anti White affirmative action discrimination. Those high IQ Chinese are taking the jobs of high IQ White Americans

        Just how does the replacement of high IQ White Americans with high IQ Chinese benefit White Americans?

    • Cheri Rodriguez

      A good book on the subject is “Chinese Intelligence Operations” (1994). A bit outdated but one of the few publications that provides a detailed look at Beijing’s spy network.

    • JohnEngelman

      Democracy works well in Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea. I am sure it can and will work well in mainland China, and North Korea.

      • Democracy is as foreign to China as communism is. Only the restoration of the Empire will be a meaningful return to our native ways.

        • JohnEngelman

          I like figure head monarchies, like that of the dynasty in Japan. However, I think the authority of figure head monarchs should be limited to things like deciding who to invite to state dinners.

          Constitutional monarchs still have the power to cause mischief.

          Absolute monarchs are far worse.

          The problem with hereditary rule is that leadership ability usually becomes dilute after a few generations. Powerful men are usually more attracted to beautiful women than brilliant women. After a few generations emperors become better looking and less intelligent.

          • Call me mad, but I support absolute monarchy. In Republics, including those which are nominally or functionally democratic, people are actually far more controlled and less free than in your average absolute monarchy; monarchies would never be able to achieve the level of control that republics, especially those which are democratic, have achieved.

            Monarchies have to do far more to accomodate people’s needs and desires than say a democracy, because democratic ideology claims that it represents the people in whatever it does, which makes it easier to control people, while they have no idea that they are being controlled.

            The best indoctrination is done when people believe control is freedom. Monarchs would never be able to convince the people into believing things as ridiculous as those that republicans, especially democratic ideologues, manage to convince people of. I do not buy into democratic ideology. Despite its shortcomings, monarchy used to do just fine.

          • JohnEngelman

            Democracy has spread throughout the world because in every major war since the eighteenth century the more democratic side won.

          • Weisheit77

            Huh, interesting… Tell that to the Russians and Germans or the Chinese and the Japanese. Or do those major conflagrations not matter? And for that matter, who has beat the Chinese?

            It wouldn’t have anything to do with one of the biggest supporters and exporters of Democracy was surrounded by two oceans and thus unable to be invaded (sorry if you buy into the we’d be talking German, Russian, Iranian, Japanese thing, then eres estúpido), would it?

            And you do realize how short 200 hundred years is in the course of human events?

          • Alden

            Like Russia in WW2?

          • JohnEngelman

            Russia had the good fortune of being allied to the United States and Great Britain.

          • Weisheit77

            You’ll realize that ol’ John is a major supporter of the status quo in every way. They say a conservative is a liberal who got mugged by reality. Well, he got mugged by blacks and only changed one aspect of his ideology.
            If you want to read a better version of John just buy the NYtimes and read a few websites about black crime and IQ. It is so easy for me to stereotype him.

          • Weisheit77

            The fact that he hasn’t even mentioned a Republic, which is the way America was set up, should tell you a lot.

            The fact that he didn’t answer my question as to what type of Democracy he advocated, should tell you a lot.

          • Weisheit77

            And would you explain GWB or Obama to us? These exemplary examples of human beings?

          • JohnEngelman

            Who would you prefer?

          • Weisheit77

            “The problem with hereditary rule is that leadership ability usually becomes dilute after a few generations.”

            I’m just saying…Your theory seems to be full of holes.

          • Alden

            Like the Holy Roman Emperors who became the Austrian/ Hungarian Emperors 900 to 1917 AD?

            Like the Byzantine Emperors 325 AD to 1452 AD?

            The present royal family of Spain is the direct descendants of the Visigoth Kings who conquered Spain in the 5th century AD

            You really need to donate your children’s encyclopedia to Goodwill and avail yourself of the many excellent university libraries in the Bay Area

        • Weisheit77

          I can’t tell you how much it pleases me to see our resident Asian disagree with our resident Asian fetishist who has so special affiliation for whites.

      • listenupbub

        How about America?

      • Weisheit77

        Isn’t it a little bit early to say that?

        • JohnEngelman

          With an average IQ of 106 Orientals have the aptitude for democracy.

          • Weisheit77

            Interesting… Everything I’ve read about democracy has never mentioned IQ as a function of it being successful. I have read that the larger the group the more of a myth democracy is. (Hint: Mass Democracy is a sham.)

            And which democracy are we talking about? The Athenian democracy? The Republic of our founding fathers? Or the the “democracy” of your beloved democratic party and Paul Krugman and/or the police state of modern Great Britain?

            I can’t help but notice that Japan’s democracy and Krugman/Keynesian economics are on the verge of maybe creating one of the most spectacular economic crashes in the history of man.
            Maybe you can cut and paste some Krugman to prove me wrong.

            Oh well, I respectfully disagree. Mass Democracy is the death knell for an ethnic group. If you live long enough, maybe you can write how you were wrong about this one, too.

          • JohnEngelman

            Keynesian economics got us out of the Great Depression.

            The reversal of Keynesian economic policies, which began during the Reagan administration, is responsible for our current difficulties.

            In The Communist Manifesto Karl Marx noted that the natural tendencies of capitalism are to accumulate wealth at the top, and to experience increasingly destructive economic downturns.

            The policies advocated by John Maynard Keynes and instituted by the Roosevelt administration, reversed these tendencies, and led to an increase in the size and affluence of America’s middle class.

            Since the inauguration of Ronald Reagan, Keynesian reforms have been repealed, middle class incomes have stagnated, the rich have gotten richer, recessions have become longer and deeper. Recessions are now followed by jobless recoveries, when economic growth resumes, but job creation and wage increases lag behind.

          • Weisheit77

            You keep saying that and you may well believe it. Now you’ve quoted Krugman, Marx, and defended Keynes and Roosevelt. I’m coming up to Wilmington to look for the black guys who mugged you because I disagree with you and I honestly don’t know why you’re here.

            I’m not going to quote them because this is not an economics forum, but there are numerous economists who have discredited Keynes. (The only good thing that Keynes ever did was to advise against the severity of the Versailles Treaty.)

            WWII INDIRECTLY got us out of the war. The depression didn’t end until the early 50’s. Hiring everyone and putting in the army is not a valid back to work plan. All our international competition had been destroyed. Roosevelt got us out of the depression, alright, but it wasn’t with economics, it was with the blood of millions who were bombed back into the stone ages.

            Also to act like that after Reagan that we’re somehow post-Keynesian instead of in some sort of death spiral brought about by Keynesian economics… Well, wow, wow, wow. You’re telling me that Bernanke and Yellen aren’t Keynesians?

          • Alden

            WW2 military manufacturing got us out of the depression. We started military manufacturing especially ships for England in 1937 I believe

          • JohnEngelman

            There was nearly as much economic growth during Roosevelt’s first term as during the terms of Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge. There was more job creation.

            Military spending and employment is government spending and employment. If the money spent for World War II had been spent by the government on the civilian economy, the benefits to the economy would have almost certainly been better.

          • JohnEngelman

            Democracy frustrates those who know that most of the voters disagree with them and are likely to continue to do so.

            These political outliers sometimes fantasize living under a dictator who agrees with them. The problem of course, is that the dictator is more likely to disagree.

            Under democracy the complaints of these malcontents are ignored. Under a dictatorship they are noticed and punished.

          • Weisheit77

            Where do you get this monkey poop from? You’ve never heard of hate speech laws? Posting on this site from Europe is dangerous because of democratic governments and the groundwork for that is being laid here.

            You need to leave New Castle County sometimes. I know the Dart bus doesn’t go far, but…

          • Alden

            Probably the only real democracies are primitive tribes in remote parts of S America where the men, just the men get together and form a consensus

            But once the tribe increases to about 500
            Democracy ends

          • ElComadreja

            Yes, but not the attitude.

      • Alden

        You sure are ignorant about China and the Chinese. You have spoken many times of your contacts with Asians. It seems to consist of short chats with waiters and cashiers.

        • JohnEngelman

          My two best friends in high school were Chinese Americans. I studied Korean Karate from Ki Whang Kim as a teenager. I have had Oriental girl friends. I am well read in the classics of Taoism and Confucianism. Orientals have earned my admiration.

          But what did I say that is not true? How does democracy not work well in Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea?

          • Alden

            You have been in caught in so many lies over the years that nothing you write is believable
            I dated a Japanese American for a while. I don’t claim to be an expert on japan based on that.

          • JohnEngelman

            On rare occasions I may have been mistaken. I have never lied. Nor am I known for gratuitous insults.

  • Bossman

    Currently there are over 250 thousand Chinese students studying in the USA; before the 1980s there were almost none.

    • evilsandmich

      Notice the correlation to trade with China and Chinese students: they have to spend those Benjamins we send over there on something.

      • Weisheit77

        I always joked that they sell us overpriced cheap, plastic crap and we sell them cheap, plastic degrees. Well, at least the ones who don’t have the drive to get a degree with a future, at least, but an art degree costs just as much as an engineering degree.

        The only downfall is that the universities, which could stand a haircut, are being propped partially on foreign tuitions. One just has to wonder how long can this business model will continue until China develops its own universities.

        Lastly, a lot of these students are middle-class to top-level upper-class. These are not rice farmers.

        • Alden

          So what? Why should White American Drs, programmers, researchers, engineers, accountants etc be replaced by non White foreigners ?

          • Weisheit77

            It was a joke… I don’t like the situation. I was agreeing with the person who stated that they have to spend their American money they got making our stuff for us.

            Sorry, if I don’t come across a militantly angry 24/7.

      • listenupbub

        Yes, we trade our government debt for our trade and the dreams we sell to the Chinese.

        If the government stopped spending so much extra money, we would owe them nothing.

        • archer

          They would still own us because of trade deficits, our criminals in DC saw fit to export much of our manufacturing capacity and jobs, almost everything you buy today is made in China.

    • LHathaway

      correction, 250,000 male chinese students studying in the US. Each and every one eligible for life time affirmative action at our corporations and large companies and likely government offices too.

  • Magician

    Engelman!!!

  • Jaggers

    Oh my, those Chinese are sneaky. I guess another stereotype is confirmed…

  • AndrewInterrupted

    We had a Chinese spy at a technology company I worked for, years ago. He absolutely raped the place of intellectual property. We never heard of any litigation. Probably the same fear of being called a racist, just like how those 1400 little girls got raped by those Paki slobs in Rotherham, England.

    • Alfa158

      I used to work with one who seemed to enjoy thumbing his nose at the oblivious DWL management by sometimes wearing his People’s Liberation Army web belt and buckle with a red star to work.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Yes, candy from a baby. This guy got walked out, but it doesn’t sound like there was much of any fallout. None of us ever anything more about it. Corporate managers display an equal mix of cowardice and corruption. They hide the IP breaches.

        China had MIG fighters with vacuum tubes in them a few decades ago–and they bought them from Russia. Massive theft of IP is the only way they could have gotten this far. I read a recently unclassified document that said China was the NUMBER 1 thief of U.S. technology.

        And guess who was NUMBER 2 (and it wasn’t a shock to me)….

        • SentryattheGate

          When I worked and went to school at Los Alamos Labs, in the late 70’s, there were quite a few Chinese there. I was alarmed that our “enemies” worked in our top scientific labs, and sure enough, a few years later, some of them were caught giving away our top secret info!

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Wow, the 70’s huh? What were they thinking?

            Oh, by the way, the NUMBER 2 U.S. technology thief is (drum roll please)……

            Israel —-Bibi Netan-blow-hole and his boys.

          • Alden

            If you want to know what the right wing really cares about go to the March 3rd and 4th pages of TheConservativeTreehouse
            and read the worshipful comments about Netanyahu’s speech

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I go to the treehouse from time to time. They are a little Bible-thumpy, but I like their primer on cultural Marxism–a little crude, but effective.

            http[colon]//theconservativetreehouse[dot]com/2013/07/23/cultural-marxists-the-barely-visible-termites-destroying-from-within/

        • Alden

          Every one knows. The so called right wing worships that tiny freckle of a country

  • Hilis Hatki

    Wow, so many things to say about this. Tihis is a legit article ? Not Mad magazine ? Maybe this is just their version of the American dream. My American dream has been a nightmare.

  • USofAntiWhite

    The Chinese and Israelis are the smartest people on Earth I hear, yet they are the two biggest thieves of technology and intellectual property. That is weird, I’ve never heard of the smartest people having to steal ideas and research from not as smart people. Hmmm…

    • NoMosqueHere

      They can be both smart and thieves. The two are not mutually exclusive.

      • USofAntiWhite

        OK but don’t tell me particular cultures and people are at the top when they have to resort to espionage.

        • NoMosqueHere

          Espionage is as old as the bible, or older. It will never stop; america does it too. But nations must still protect themselves from spies. This is particularly true concerning the chinese, who routinely infringe US derived patents and copyrights and thereby jeopardize the US economy.

    • archer

      The Caucasian population is said to have a higher rate of geniuses, about one per hundred thousand, which is more than any other race. Also there is more deviation from the mean of IQ scores, at least from what I’ve read.

      • bv

        But we lack common sense.

  • NoMosqueHere

    If we arrested and hung a few of them perhaps the spying would stop.

    • USofAntiWhite

      If we deported them all and didn’t allow Chinese students to take up spots at US schools perhaps the spying would stop.

      • NoMosqueHere

        I would add that not one prospective GOP prez candidate advocates curbing immigration; some, such as the execrable Jeb Bush, don’t even advocate stopping illegal immigration — it’a a “act of love.” And who wants to oppose “love?”

  • listenupbub

    Sounds like an ethnocentric people group doing slightly immoral things to other people groups to benefit their group…where has this story played out before?

  • LHathaway

    “Every Chinese is a potential spy”.

    Lol, a twist on the ‘every (white) man is a potential rapist’?

    • listenupbub

      Yup! Damnright!

  • LHathaway

    This is real, ‘Chinese are spying on Westerners’, or this is another mostly media invention?Just another phony made up story in the news. I have to admit, I think everything is a conspiracy, including each and every war we’ve ever been in. The ‘winners’ were known before the war even started.

    This is just the spreading of some kind of fake ‘white supremacy’ idea. Maybe the idea is, kids in school will do better thinking this way (thanks for helping out, China). I do wonder if any of this has ever made even page 50 of a newspaper anywhere in China.

    Maybe, we’re being lulled into a false sense of security while everything important is being taken from us.

    • listenupbub

      It’s a weird one. But intellectual theft is a real thing.

      Think about “Chinese knock-offs.”

      I remember Boeing has all sorts of ways to try to keep their secrets hidden.

      • LHathaway

        I know those ember air passenger jets made it Brazil look just like Boeing aircraft. They’re like slightly smaller versions of the big ones. Those are all that fly out of the smaller airports, that feed the hubs, in some cases. They seem to be just as good as what Boeing and Airbus make.

  • So the best our Government can come up with is to increase H1B visas for Chinese scientists to come here to do research on subjects having military applications?

    • AndrewInterrupted

      H-1B is an absolute scourge in so many ways. It’s a white displacement vehicle.

      • Yes I know. I’m a white engineer (Master’s Chemical) and in a field which is used to design weapons among other more peaceful purposes. The US Gov’t basically wants us all out of the industry which is to be fully staffed by Indians & Chinese. I see other countries which treat their engineers/ scientists far better but the US seems intent on driving all it’s own citizens out of this field.

        It’s crazy!

        • bv

          Why???

  • Hilis Hatki

    I would expect no less of the Chinese students. I applaud them for being true and not selling who they are for 30 pieces of America.

  • Ludwig

    Arnon Milchan, an Israeli Hollywood bigwig and a producer of ’12 Years A Slave’, admitted to stealing U.S. nuclear technology and was treated by the Media as the coolest thing since James Bond. His efforts have been acknowledged by former Israeli prime minister Shimon Peres.

    • bv

      He should have been shot for treason.

  • Alden

    Nice to see a bit of the truth about Asians on this “high Asian IQ” worshipping site
    We Californians who are surrounded by every race on earth but White Europeans
    Have long known what the Chinese are up to
    Epoch Times is a Taiwan and overseas Chinese paper. It is opposed to the Peoples Republic. It is an excellent source of news about ChinaI I read it all the time. It’s nice to read something other than the MSM/Taylor/Englemann
    “Chinese geniuses and their slave labor high pollution totally corrupt economy will take over the world.” mantra.

    • bv

      Right on.

  • Ringo Lennon

    As Trump says, “China is screwing us royally.”

    • archer

      China isn’t screwing us it’s our politicians that let this happen, they’ve known the Chinese are spying but still let them displace our own students in school. Just another facet of the take down of the west.

      • bv

        Obama’s crew and Holder would love it.

    • bv

      That’s completely true and Trump would know, he’s always in negotiation with them.

    • Ultimate187

      Espionage is actually the smartest thing China’s doing for itself right now. This has less to do with a lack of intelligence and more about saving time and resources.

  • Alden

    Remember Larry Chin? He spied on the communists for the Americans and Nationalists during WW2
    When the Nationalists lost we brought him to America. We hired him to work for the CIA where he remained for more than 30 years. Think about it. America gave him a lifelong tenure well paid government job during a time when Chinese were starving by the millions and party members like himself were killing each other off as well.
    All those years he spied for China. He was finally caught when he downloaded
    More than 20,000 pages of top top secret atomic bomb material to his personal computer on Christmas Eve night to Christmas morning
    Investigation showed that he sent vast amounts if information to the Chinese during the 30 years he worked for the CIA
    As soon as he was arrested his daughter and every Chinese organization plus the media in in the country went into the full discrimination mode. The massive Chin did nothing wrong it is only anti Chinese discrimination defense succeeded The defense claimed he downloaded more than 20,000 pages in the middle of the night to his personal computer, a violation of all security regulations because he was so devoted to his work he did a lot if work at home another violation if security regulations
    What is really shocking about the massive support of Larry Chin by Chinese living in America is that most are refugees from the communism of China

    The media of course defended Larry Chin because he was not White.

  • SlizzardAjeosshi

    China is what it is, basically a 1.4 bln people rat hole that is only now walking his baby steps toward a modern civilization. It was too poor, too isolated, too gigantic to have any option, in order to modernize, other than leveraging their humongous population into building the most massive fraud and theft operation the world has ever known.

    On the other hand i prefer China to all the other Asian nations which are basically a bunch of pretentious non-entities whose day in the sun is probably already past its prime.

    Japan is a declining sleepy dormitory full of short-legged grandpas and a motley ensemble of weaklings who generally don’t dare walking out of their outdated, badly heated homes without fixing the foundation on their face properly first. Japan now has pretty much all the business acumen of Italy, with none of the qualities, first and foremost a supply of non-third worldish real estate (and mind you Italian homes are pretty bad for Western standards). I find most Japanese in general verging on retarded, with very unpleasant passive-aggressive traits and a ridiculous sense of self-aggrandizing. And Christ pretty much the country has no food, no wonder everybody there is a gnome.

    Korea is basically a frustrated gang of raging alcoholic troglodytes, who by some Gods miracle managed to make money in the last 40 years or so. The place is so culturally underdeveloped, due to centuries of isolation, so uncivilized, under a thin veil of modernity, that can be pretty much described as the Albania of Asia…only with credit cards, fiber optics, condo towers, big cars and robots. A mix of the most crass elements of the American model mixed with Japan, some Soviet Union and a civil society still stuck in the Golden Horde era. Soju-fueled beating sprees of their wives and kids is pretty much the favorite pastime of Korean men.

    And don’t get me started on Taiwan, which is basically not even a nation. Some confused dumpster version of Japan populated with scrawny guys with bad breath and demented women into the kawaiiiiiiiii thing. The quality of Taipei real estate is one of the most atrocious i’ve observed in the industrialized world. On the other hand i have to admit food is delicious, country is safe, public areas are clean and there’s none of drunken aggression you so often encounter in Korea and sometimes Japan. Overall a useless place though, had it to disappear tomorrow, the rest of the world wouldn’t even flinch.

    Hong Kong is basically an unsanitary, horribly overcrowded swampy subtropical village. if it wasnt for China it would still be a third rate port full of cockroaches, an unberable smell of rotting garbage and housing conditions comparable to a Kenyan slum. Now it fancies itself as the new London, go figure…of course there’s pretty much no cultural life here, all people talk about is money, business, money, stocks, real estate prices, money, petty gossiping…oh did i mention money ? Local population is also incredibly hilarious in their social interactions with outsiders: they have this Asian century arrogance when they deal with a Westerner and pose as enlightened sophisticated quasi-Brits when confronted with the Mainlanders. This city also produce absolutely nothing of value, it’s just one gigantic noisy night market, the day China finally manage to bypass them, they will literally revert to dirty Guangdong village.

    Let’s move a bit further south to Singapore: basically a glorified Hokkien village who think they reinvented civilization cos they have a good private banking business, clean roads and hospitals equipped with modern gizmos.

    The truth is, for all their short-comings, the only Asian ruling class with a vision for the future can be found in China. Say what you want about the chi-coms, but they’re competent and they know their country is the only one who can compete permanently at superpower level. Asia belong to China, all the other tigers in the areas are nothing but scrappy, annoying kitties.

    China is a giant and it won’t go away easily, it never did in the past and it will keep impacting world civilization for as long as humans walk the Earth. What we have seen so far in North east Asia, with Japan and the others, was just beta testing for the re-rise of the true ruler of the continent.

    And yes in case you’re wondering i’m having a bad Asia day.

    • bv

      China will sink faster than all of the others combined. It has 1.1 billion people who survive on the avg. GDP of Togo about. $2000/year. The country is held together by a 4 million man police force called PLA, ethnic implosions are occurring in Tibet, East Turkestan, Guangdong and finally the Mandarins themselves may split between the poor interior vs the Wealhy coasts.

      The bubble that’s brewing is going to make Japan’s look like a kids party.

    • Bossman

      It looks like you know them well. I’m now only beginning to learn about East Asia.

  • Hilis Hatki

    Iam still upset over what the Chinese did to my Coke.

  • ViktorNN

    An entire evolutionary strategy based on cheating? I can think of two groups who seem invested in this approach.

  • Diversity Heretic

    This isn’t exactly news, at least not to the intelligence/espionnage community. Over twenty years ago I was told by an official at the Department of Energy (responsible for the nuclear weapons program) that China regards every Chinese residing abroad as an espionnage resource.

    • Ultimate187

      That doesn’t mean anything. It’s like people here considering any white person to be a potential white nationalist. Not every Chinese person is loyal to China, and it’s probably much more difficult to recruit people to do stuff than we think.

  • antiquesunlight

    Can someone please remind me why it’s not supposed to be completely idiotic to let tons of foreigners in?

  • tetrapod

    Simple solution. Lower quotas for Chinese students, and promote the interests of white American students.

    Unfortunately, it’s never going to happen as long as our favorite hostile elite controls admission policies.

  • Uncle Bob

    The Chinese have 5 times as many engineers as the US, yet they still need to come here for education? Right now, the China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO) is operating a vast fleet of ships and trucks that bring cheap Wal-Mart products to stores all over the US. This company is essentially the Chinese Merchant Marine and ultimately under the control of the Chinese navy. We have been thoroughly infiltrated at this point, and the way things are going, Beijing may be the future capital of California. The USA sure is being run into the dirt. Damn the traitors that have brought us this low.

  • Ultimate187

    Or they’re not spies at all.

  • Ultimate187

    American Intelligence agencies are dragging this issue into the open because they feel overwhelmed, precisely because they assume every Chinese person is a spy, which is not just unrealistic but also impossible. Either China actually has them scared, or they’re exaggerating the threat to get more department resources. I’m go to wager that it’s a bit of both.

    There is no nation on Earth that can marshal the efforts of tens of thousands of live spies. Last time I checked, the Chinese are still ordinary human beings, not The Borg ala Star Trek. I’m not doubting that they conduct espionage, but most of it comes from electronic warfare, buying secrets from less scrupulous US allies, and probably having people in high places who aren’t Chinese or even Asian. Gaining the trust of students or workers abroad is not easy, and people here who think it is are working under the assumption that they all have the same motivations, and have a degree of racial cohesion unseen since WW2 Germany.

    • Weisheit77

      I don’t know if you know this and I think it’s still the case that Saudi Arabians can become members of “fast pass” but Israelis can’t because the pass has to be vetted by our security services and they know how much the Israelis spy on us.

  • Hilis Hatki

    Because of Chinese birth tourism America may have a Chinese-American president who is as American as Obama.

  • InAFreeCountry

    So…why do we still have the gate open?

  • Alden

    It’s also so they can spy on each other

  • Alden

    Surprised this post was not deleted if you want to know why the story was buried read the March 3 posts on TheConservativeTreeHouse

  • Chino Gambino

    The Chinese education system is oppressive and cruel to students, independent creative thought is discouraged for fear of creating political dissent. As a result intense rote learning is the norm and culminates in the Gaokao, a 9 hour university entry exam. After 16 hour days of cramming for 3 years straight, no dating permitted and constant party propaganda you tend to get a lot of unimaginative conformists. Stealing ideas or data to get ahead is just a continuation of that mindset which ultimately has actually muzzled Chinese potential, the Communist Party has ruined China.

    Imagine if the nationalists had won, China maybe could have been as productive as Japan yet 20 times larger. Now they have to knock off the innovation of others, even using kids to do it.