At Ferguson City Council Debate, Some Still Don’t See a Problem After Brutal DOJ Report

Mariah Stewart, Huffington Post, March 10, 2015

Members of Ferguson’s city council met Monday night behind closed doors to discuss the Justice Department’s blistering report on the city’s police force and municipal court–and in a debate before a mostly elderly, white audience, some candidates for a council seat claimed the problems in the report were overblown.

In the wake of last week’s federal investigative report into the city’s law enforcement practices, the judge who ran Ferguson’s municipal court has resigned, a top court clerk who sent a racist email was fired, and two police department officials connected to racist emails have stepped down. The report highlighted problems with St. Louis County’s fractured network of municipal courts that extend beyond Ferguson.

But some people looking to join Ferguson’s government think the Justice Department was unfair to the city. Two black women and two white men are running in an election next month to replace Kim Tihen, one of two representatives for Ferguson’s Ward 1. Tihen, a former police officer, was one of the officers involved in a 2009 incident in which a man was wrongfully arrested, allegedly beaten, and charged with destruction of property for bleeding on police uniforms.

Mike McGrath, one of the white candidates, believes that Tihen did a good job on the council and that the Justice Department report on Ferguson was unfair.

“They tried to go after Officer Wilson,” McGrath said in an interview after the debate on Monday, referring to Darren Wilson, the officer who shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown on Aug. 9, 2014. “When they couldn’t do that, they went after the city.”

McGrath drew strong support from the audience when he said the residents of Ferguson’s apartment complexes, who are mostly black, didn’t care as much about the city as the homeowners.

“I may be a silly old man in all of this, but I don’t think we have a big race issue here,” he said in an interview after the meeting, which was interrupted several times by other white residents who wanted to thank him and offer their support. “We have an issue with that part of town and they’ve been a bad part of town for a long time, sadly.”

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Doyle McClellan, another white candidate for the seat, has written about the report on his website and criticized many components of it, calling the statistics “misleading” and the stories of residents “mostly unverified.” While he says that there are enough problematic anecdotes to show that the city has problems that need to be addressed, he does not believe the statistical analysis of stops and arrests by Justice Department proves anything.

“One thing that’s often overlooked in town is, it’s not just a white and black town. It’s a white middle class, a black middle class and a lower class that’s mostly African-American, and they have a very distinct characteristics,” McClellan said. “When you talk to a black/white homeowner, they’re worried about crime and their streets. Much of the black lower class, the problem they have is they tend to be in the rental homes in the higher-crime areas, so they have a very distinct situation compared to what the rest of the town experiences.”

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  • JohnEngelman

    in a debate before a mostly elderly, white audience, some candidates for a council seat claimed the problems in the report were overblown.

    – Mariah Stewart, Huffington Post, March 10, 2015

    The problems include the fact that when blacks moved in, the crime rate moved up. These “mostly elderly, white” people remember how nice Ferguson used to be.

    • Jason Lewis

      Unfortunately it’s hard for elderly people to move.

  • Eric Ruttencutter

    Brutal? I thought everyone was supposed to refer to the DOJ report as “Scathing”

    • TruthBeTold

      On the other article it was described as ‘damning’.

      • Charly Gordon

        Yes, the “neutral” news service Reuters is calling it “damning.” It is fairly brutal and damning, at least in the way it portrays Obama’s “Justice Department.”

  • notaliberal

    “We have an issue with that part of town and they’ve been a bad part of town for a long time, sadly.”

    “That part of town” meaning the one inhabited by black people. And they are right that the DOJ was not going to come up empty handed and found a few isolated cases of poor judgment by white city officials to paint a picture of Ferguson as a racist (against blacks) and out of control city. Of course, the media is just lapping this up.

    • Alexandra1973

      It’s not the geographical location itself that’s good or bad, but the inhabitants.

  • dd121

    Why do these people cower in the face of unsubstantiated accusations? The left tries very hard to rule through bullying and intimidation. Don’t fall for it.

    • Charly Gordon

      They probably genuinely fear for their lives. I imagine that they are splitting town, so as not to get shot in a driveby the way two officers in Ferguson were just shot.

  • TruthBeTold

    “They tried to go after Officer Wilson. When they couldn’t do that, they went after the city.”

    It sounds like this guy was quoting Jared Taylor.

  • We have two enemies–the government in Washington (and some state and local governments that suck on Washington’s teats) and the big corporate new organizations, including CNN, the LA Times, Huffington Post, ABC News, etc.

    Neither of our enemies are responsive to us.

    My opinion is that the best way to deal with our enemies is to starve them and to deny them legitimacy. Washington rules at the point of a gun. There’s no benefit to try to stare down a goon with a gun. Stealth is required to stab Washington in the back at every opportunity. Such as through legal tax avoidance.

    The press has no guns. Calling out their lies, distortions, half truths, and crackpot reporting can cause them some damage since they are advertiser supported.

    • connorhus

      Exactly. It is simply time to go Galt whether you agree with Rand’s view of the world or not. One has to pay attention to their local elected officials to a point and try and keep the Democrats from taking away the last rights we have but the main objective at this point should be starving the beast.

      Only one race will be around after it dies that can pick up the pieces.

      • Hank Richter

        So it’s only Democrats who try to take away our rights? Oh Boy, please tell me you’re not still following the Rep around like a lap dog, they have done more to harm this country and whites than Dems ever could.

        • connorhus

          I don’t know what it’s like where you live but around here on a local and state level the Republicans are the only ones who stand up for our rights. The Republicans are the ones who block the gun grabbers, enviro-freaks and the endless cries for more minority money laundering programs. Doesn’t always work but they have had the victories. What happens to politicians when they get to DC and the national level is maddening but I am not going to let it taint me so bad I let the local Democrats run wild or paint all Republicans with the same brush.

          You think both parties are just as bad and in some ways you are right but I can assure you that had the Democrats won the house and senate in 2010, 2012 and 2014 we would be in MUCH worse shape than we are right now.

          • Hank Richter

            You couldn’t have it more wrong. Even if I was to agree with this “lesser evil” thing the Rep is still far worse because all those things you list are expected from a Dem, not a Rep, so when Rep do them, and then of course cause great harm, it all gets blamed on Conservatism, Capitalism, Free Markets, etc.

            If someone I know hates me punches me in the face it sucks, but when someone who is supposed to be on my side does it it’s a 1000 times worse. Fact is, if it wasn’t for filthy rat Rep like Bush, McCain, most of the crew at FOX news the leftist-Marxist in this country never would have gotten the kind of power they have now.

    • Jason Lewis

      They seemed responsive at the Bundy Ranch. The Feds tucked their tails and ran out.

    • exlib93

      I think we should use the power of our white “privilege”, by boycotting ANYTHING to do with black people. When the businesses see the great loss of income (not the makers of malt liquor or rims) they would be wise to listen.

      • Keep Honkin, I’m Reloading

        I have for years

      • Bryan Dennis

        What on earth can you financially boycott that is black? Taxes?

        • WhiteVeinKratom

          Football, basketball, Rap music….
          Popeyes,…….

          • exlib93

            Any company that uses them in their ads. Any movies which tell their untrue version of history. Any TV shows that feature them. All mainstream news, for starters.

          • Irish

            Except for rap I don’t think Blacks own any of those things….

          • Bryan Dennis

            Oh.. I already boycott those things.

    • Jeff

      One of the methods for tackling the federal beast really intrigues me. There are voices calling for a Convention of the States provided for in the Constitution. I can’t imagine a bigger threat to the DC power structure. There are a lot of “Red” States, if they can identify some common ground they could effectively neuter the federal goliath. I would imagine that just the threat alone may intimidate the left into backing down.

      • Alexandra1973

        We do not want or need another Con Con. Unless you want to kiss a LOT of your rights good-bye.

        The Constitution needs to be followed, not updated–or scrapped altogether.

        • Jeff

          I think you’re missing the point. A convention of the states is in the Constitution. It’s one of the processes that provides for the states to reign in a federal government that is out of control. I would like to see the constitution followed, and this is a method for doing just that. The states could compel the feds to follow a budget, curtail the feds ability to interfere in the affairs of the states, restrict the feds from exempting themselves from the laws they pass.

          A convention of the states is one of the last viable means of preserving what’s left of the republic.

  • Jason Lewis

    Brutal DOJ report? Some court clerk sent a black joke thru email?

    • John Smith

      That’s all it takes now… I prefer K-9s and firehoses myself.

  • MekongDelta69

    Get rid of Section 8 and move ALL the people in them back to where they came from.

    Problem solved

  • John Smith

    I guess I’m one of those people.

    FWIW, oppose any new apartment complexes being put up in your area before it is too late, unless they’re gated, if even then.

  • Light from the East

    Title : At Ferguson City Council Debate, Some Still Don’t See a Problem After Brutal DOJ Report

    Content: Mariah Stewart, Huffington Post, March 10, 2015

    I think that’s all what the title indicates.

  • ABC

    Uhuh, spend months investigating any agency in the country and you will find some off color emails. Imagine what we would find if we ever saw Hillary’s.
    Every police force in the country uses fines and court costs as a form of funding.
    Nothing to see here.