Why Chinese Moms Want American Babies

Sophia Yan, CNN Money, February 8, 2015

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Pregnant Chinese moms are flocking stateside to give birth, lured by rules that grant American citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil. A booming birth tourism industry has sprouted from coast to coast to cater to growing interest–in 2012, about 10,000 Chinese women gave birth in the U.S., more than double the 4,200 in 2008, according to Chinese state media.

Many of the families want an American kid because a foreign passport could be the family’s ticket out of China if they grow weary of pollution or food safety scares. President Xi Jinping’s widespread anti-corruption campaign has given rich Chinese yet another reason to be on edge.

“If things become economically or politically uncertain in one’s country of origin, the children have a place to come to,” said Leti Volpp, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley. The children can “then sponsor their parents when they turn 21.”

The desire to leave China is especially pronounced among the wealthy. Almost two-thirds of Chinese with more than 10 million yuan ($1.6 million) in the bank have emigrated, or are planning to, according to a Hurun report released last year.

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For others, like Miao, giving birth in the U.S. can also be a way to skirt China’s one-child policy. Although the rules have been relaxed slightly, not every couple is eligible to have multiple children.

Miao estimates she spent nearly $30,000 to have her second child in the U.S. {snip}

To make the process easier, Miao enlisted an agency that helped her find a short-term rental in a Los Angeles neighborhood popular with pregnant Chinese.

A number of such agencies exist, with websites and ads touting elaborate birth packages at “maternity hotels” that include luxury accommodation, meals, chauffeurs, doctor appointments and more. The websites even explain how to secure a passport for a newborn and where to apply for a visa.

While many mothers give birth in the Lower 48, U.S. territories like the Northern Mariana Islands are also popular. The islands are close to China, and there is a visa waiver program for Chinese tourists.

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  • Magician

    Citizenship abusal….

    • john miles

      yes, and it will only get worse as it becomes more and more obvious that our government just doesn’t care.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    Quoting NumbersUSA:

    “Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) has introduced H.R. 140, the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2015. H.R. 140 would end the process of granting automatic birthright citizenship to the babies born in the United States to illegal aliens.”

    “Send this fax [at Numbers] to your U.S. Representative and ask him/her to cosponsor H.R. 140, a bill to end the practice of granting automatic U.S. citizenship to the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens.”

    ===

    COMMENT: The Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment reads: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

    Many constitutional scholars believe that the pivotal phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” excludes illegal aliens. Nonetheless, it is a long-standing U. S. policy to grant citizenship to “all persons born” in the United States, regardless of the legal status of the parents.

    Congress has the power to stop this abuse of Americans and their Constitution.

    • tickyul

      This has been rehashed over and over again, the fix HAS to be an amendment to the constitution……..anything less falls short.

      • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

        Nonsense.

        • tickyul

          No, it is not nonsense! The basis for all the birthright-citizenship flim-flam is the wording in The Constitution. If that wording is NOT clarified and strengthened, all other legal maneuvers are inferior and subservient to the SUPREME document, The Constitution.

          • UncleSham

            The issue has never gone to the Supreme Court. If this law passes and then someone challenges it, the Supreme Court would finally be forced to clarify the meaning of the 14th Amendment.

          • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

            Precisely. The decision would depend on the policy preferences of the judges, which how the “meaning” of the Constitution has been determined for over 50 years.

          • tickyul

            Policies are enacted and enforced based upon what the wording of the constitution is. The supreme law of the land has some wording that needs to clarified and strengthened via amendment…….until then, watch for the politicians to play all sorts of games.

          • UncleSham

            You do not appear to understand the primary function of the Supreme Court.

          • tickyul

            HUM, I made no reference to SCOTUS???? I stand by my previous statements………anything other than a very clear amendment to the constitution will be ineffective in stopping birthright citizenship.

          • Spikeygrrl

            In case you haven’t noticed, vast swathes of the Constitution have been, and continue to be, under attack. Leftists believe that if they’re stuck with the darn thing at all, it must be reconcepted as “a living document” that they can rewrite any number of times on a whim (frequently via judicial fiat).

          • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

            Let me just say than many constitutional scholars disagree. I’d start, if I were you, with a five-minute video by John Eastman, Dean, Chapman University School of Law on the fallacy of “automatic birthight citizenship” — as applied to children born to tourists and children of illegal aliens.

            Go to Youtube, google “John Eastman” and “birthright citizenship.”

          • tickyul

            Until the supreme law of the land is strengthened and clarified on this issue…….watch for the same old games to be played.

    • john miles

      You’re right, but this will never pass congress and if it did Obama would veto. As would the next president, especially if it’s Hillary or Jeb Bush.

    • shmo123

      This is what Jacob M. Howard, the author of the 14th amendment wrote about its meaning:
      “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the family of ambassadors, or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”
      Note he specifically stated those who are FOREIGNERS! I keep blowing this horn, and won’t stop until people realize what an egregious misinterpretation the law allows. To my knowledge, no other country allows this insanity, and even the most liberal insist that at least one parent be citizen. The idiots in Washington just can’t see beyond the ends of their own noses let alone consider the potential harm policy this policy could create.

  • dd121

    Are there any politicians in Washington who think this is bad policy for our Country?

    • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

      Sadly only a few.

  • This scam only works if they can find a country dumb enough to enact a crazy policy like birthright citizenship.

    • Paleoconn

      The thing is, QD (and I’m sure I’m not telling you something you don’t already know, but for the benefit of other readers), the birthright citizenship interpretation is a scam. The Constitution is not wrong, the open borders shills are the ones who are twisting the words of the Framers to allow this travesty.

      • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

        Many constitutional scholars agree: Judge Richard Posner, Edward Erler, John Eastman, Kris Kobach, Lino Graglia, and many others. For short clips on this debate, go to YouTube and type “birthright citizenship”.

        • Of course they agree, and they’re right, and birthright citizenship as it is now was never the intention of the 14th Amendment.

          But we’ve got it anyway. And all the rhetoric on the part of living people with no power about the intentions of dead people doesn’t change that real world reality.

          • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

            What could change “the real world reality” is getting votes in Congress and thus garnering enough attention to force 2016 presidential candidates to take a stand, bringing this absurd abuse of the American people to their attention.

  • MartelsGhost

    So how many absentee ballots do they get to take home to China?

    • Reynardine

      In the US, ballots will be offered on a first-come, first-serve basis and will be open to anyone. There will be a limited number, however, and will only be available between the hours of 9:00-11:00 and 2:00-4:00, Tuesday through Thursday.

  • Truthseeker

    East Asians may have higher IQ’s than us, but they’d still rather live in the countries we created. Why aren’t liberals lining up to tell them to leave, since they’ll obviously just be oppressed non-Whites in this wicked, racist country of ours?

    • superlloyd

      But we have higher Standard deviations and more people at the extremes which has translated into more creative and original thinkers than they have ever managed: More innovators that have transformed societies and brought us to modern civilisation which they can only imitate and not advance.

      • Good point! For all the talk about Asians having higher IQ levels than whites, their societies don’t appear better and they’re always trying to catch up with us in terms of technology and scientific advancements.

        • Sick of it

          They always crow about average IQ. The average person cannot even do my job and it’s not that complicated.

      • 李冠毅

        I wonder why so many people still believe this… long after I have posted a comment attempting to debunk the “evil Asian” myth. Perhaps my comment isn’t prominent enough?

      • stonepillow

        Good points.

    • willbest

      These people aren’t necessarily looking to live in the US. They are just buying the option. If I could buy my kids a passport to another first world country for 20k, I would strongly consider it.

    • Raymond Kidwell

      Part of the reason for higher I.Q. is as you see in the article- it’s mostly the top strata of their society coming here.

      • 李冠毅

        No, the article says it’s mostly the WEALTHIEST members of our society who emigrates to the West. I don’t mean to pull a John Engelman on you, but I live in Asia, and in my experience, those who are wealthy are not necessarily the cream of the crop. In fact, many of them chose emigrate because they failed to obtain a spot at a top-tier Asian university (such as Peking University), and are thus locked out from the best jobs. Rather than enduring the shame (rich people here seem to care a lot about self-image) of sending their children to a second-rate Asian university, many rich families instead send their children to study abroad, usually in the West. I have several distant relatives who were born with platinum spoons in their mouths, and not one of them managed to gain acceptance into a top-tier Asian university. My neighbor, who came from a middle class family, did.

        • Raymond Kidwell

          Thank you for the correction. It used to be in America you were successful based on ability. A lot of poor people became rich. That’s why America was the strongest.

          Now in America today we have a lot of average intelligence rich people who keep their spot at the top and smart people who are at the bottom or middle. That is the big problem with this country. But they keep the lie going that everybody deserves what they have.

          Probably though the wealthy are above average compared to someone living on a farm. I think most of our immigrants here are above average for their race. It creates the illusion that they have very strong races. I think if you traveled the world and see the average of each group you would probably consider white people to be some of the best.

          • 李冠毅

            Now in America today we have a lot of average intelligence rich people who keep their spot at the top and smart people who are at the bottom or middle. That is the big problem with this country. But they keep the lie going that everybody deserves what they have.

            ———-

            Enriching yourself and your family while denying others (especially your own countrymen) access to the same wealth seems to be a fashionable trend everywhere in the world. There was a recent article on AmRen about IT companies importing workers from abroad, making their domestic employees train them, and eventually replacing them with the foreign workers. This was because the foreign workers are willing to work for less, and this translates to more profit for the company.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            I do meet a lot of white people who have accumulated money but don’t give it to their children. It’s not everybody. But as an individual I’m not so sure how smart this move is. As a group, the problem is it is better to be the tail of a lion than the head of a sheep. In other words, it is better to be at the bottom of a strong group than the top of a weak one. So it makes sense to put the group’s goals ahead of your own. This means to step down yourself and allow the better person to lead. Instead you have individual greed taking over.

            I am not the best and never will be. Maybe I am above average. I don’t have any need to be rich or powerful or high ranking. But what does concern me is the incompetence of society, the weakness of the group. Most people aren’t smart enough to think that way.

            And with Chinese it is said Asians are collectivists. But they just have a culture where it is important to “save face” in a group. It is more common for Asians to “cheat” than white people. It just seems pretty easy to manufacture a superior humanity, or in the least a superior group by taking the best people that already exist. There is no need to make a new human being. They already exist. I mean simply find those who can operate as a team, show intelligence etc. As a society we are going backwards. The dumb are increasing in number. The altruistic decreasing. This is happening even within races. And in China also ridiculous policies where a dumb minority can out breed the more successful group. I just think the increasing stupidity or other low traits threatens the success and survival of humanity.

          • 李冠毅

            I used to believe dumb people are outbreeding smart people (dysgenics), but I’m no longer sure. In China at least, it appears that most “dumb” people are simply underprivileged and/or disinterested in studying (“Dumb brain or untrained one?”). This is supported by constant news reports about poor Chinese peasants improvising very advanced equipment with great success. Examples include a farmer who could not afford kidney dialysis, and who scraped together a quality dialysis machine using nothing but a medical textbook and common household items. He’s been using that machine for years with no problems. Imagine what these peasants can achieve if they are given access to the same education and research facilities many Westerners take for granted (err, no offense to Westerners).

          • Raymond Kidwell

            From what I understand the non-han under perform badly even with affirmative action and they also can have more children legally. This is enough to bring down the country, but possibly peasants as well. But since they are such a small percent of the population I guess it’s not a big deal. The stupid definitely breed more in the U.S. on average. Of course there are exceptions to this, but I speak of the general trend.

            I have not been given access to education. If I was not white or not male, or rich and white or some other circumstance I would have it. The problem is if things were “fair” in the U.S. and based on ability it would be all whites and asians at the top (including Jews as white). It’s necessary to hammer down white males otherwise if you gave them access they would always be doing better than everyone else. And oddly the people most effectively fighting affirmative action in the U.S. now are Asian groups, because now they must endure the hammering down as well. I always scored well on tests, but grades aren’t based on test scores. I score in the top 15% or better on every national test I take and score in top 5% of I.Q. tests. Yet I am poor at the bottom of society.

            Nobody says “hey you scored high on a test, let me give you a job” or “let me give you a bunch of money for college” they try to make people believe this is the reality but its not. I don’t do my homework, I’m not a great student. I don’t have a good family, don’t have money. I guess I have some relatives with money but whites don’t help each other as much as some others. If you go to a job they just say “what was your previous job” They don’t give you a test and say “hey you are really smart here you can run the company”. So for someone like me it is much easier to just try to start my own business and do everything myself and find partners like me.

            I find the comparison of Asian intelligence to white to be an interesting one. East Asians are the most calm race. They are low energy and comfortable sitting still for long periods and doing boring things for long periods. Blacks are at the other extreme seemingly constantly in an emotional state and always jumping around or screaming. Whites are in the middle, although maybe closer to asians than to blacks. Females are more calm generally and men more exited. There seems to be a greater difference in male and female among whites than in asians as well.

            So when you talk about people that don’t want to study, those are people who need more excitement, high testosterone perhaps. You see a lot of this in white males, they don’t do well in college, drop out of college, but really smart and run their own business or invent and discover things. Almost never see it in females, and very rare in non-whites. So it has more to do with energy I think than intelligence. I can’t work like Asians. Most Asians I work with they can sit still all day or do the same boring job all day. I need to get out and go for a walk or have something exiting happen.

            I think it would be better if I had some of the Asian ability to do boring work. It would make me more successful in this modern world. But it’s rather unnatural. Most jobs are made really simple for stupid people and the school work also kind of either simple or else not relevant enough to be interesting. Of course the leaders get more interesting schooling. I can’t memorize useless facts all day, I need it to be relevant or to translate to some skill or have some interest.

            I think I have taught myself a lot of things that many others don’t know. They don’t teach you things that make you powerful in school. You have to question, debate, put things together yourself.

            But there is some difference between male and female intelligence, as well between white and asian. I can’t say one is better than the other, but each has its own advantages and disadvantages. Whites are 8% of the world’s population and even in white nations we have all this affirmative action, but almost all inventions or innovations are coming from white males. Not all of them but the majority. You even have asians here who were born and raised in white culture, so it can’t all be cultural.

            I know for example China has made some effort to create a small minority of white people in China to do the things that whites are better at. I think it’s a good idea. Some skills whites tend to do better typically and other skills asians do better, although of course always exceptions and just speaking of averages here.

            I have to agree though environment is a huge factor. Europe was starving through much of history. Definitely culture and technology and different things improved that situation. North and South korea is a good example, also racially similar but different political systems. China will rise as its population shrinks.

            It’s better to be a minority in some ways. If I went to China I would probably be treated better than in my own country. And the same with Asians in America. If America became flooded with Asians then math related jobs would just see lower wages and higher unemployment. All the things Asians are good at and make money from will become more competitive and life would get harder for them. But for now they can take jobs that they are better at than whites generally. The reverse would be true in Asia where whites would excel in certain skills.

            Only there are certain people that don’t excel at anything. I think we know who they are.

            I think it would be easier for me to find Asians to work together with though because most of them seem intelligent and normal to me. Most white people either they are really smart or really dumb. It’s hard to find just a normal level of intelligence. The same with attractiveness. I see a lot of good looking Asians, not really amazing looking just good. Whites are either ugly or else the most beautiful thing on the planet. It’s usually an extreme with white people with only a few falling in the middle. Whereas its easier to find more “normal” Asians.

            Of course now I will be attacked again about Asian females. I’m just stating an observation.

  • Even Canada has banned this practice.

  • MekongDelta69

    This black muslim Marxist dictator and his totalitarian regime will let anybody from anywhere come here, for any reason – UNLESS – you are Caucasian.

    THEN – you will NOT be allowed in, or if you are already in, they will do their damndest to deport you.

    • BulgAryan

      sad, but true

  • Luca

    All countries do this including jihadist countries. They also indulge in medical tourism by showing up at ER’s with fatal heart conditions, when the free operation is over, they go home.

  • IstvanIN

    The US is the joke of the world.

    • tickyul

      Sad but true……a global doormat.

      • Reynardine

        Try global toilet paper.

  • Bossman

    East Asians are using all kinds of strategies to enter North America with the long-term plan of eventually conquering North America.

    • Magician

      Or if their kid chooses to study at a college here in the future, they can enroll for domestic prices which saves them large amounts of money.

      • Charles Martel

        Most state universities have a residency requirement for “in state” tuition. If you are a U.S. citizen but live overseas you do not qualify for it

    • Dr.Bazzi

      That means conquering the Blacks and Hispanics… that’s an upside considering there will no longer be whites.

      • BulgAryan

        there will be an unprecedented massacre first, than they will enslave the remaining mud-colored massaes

      • Bossman

        When you use the term “Hispanic” what exactly do you think of? A dark-skinned Mayan Indian from Central America or is it Miss Universe and Miss USA both of whom are Hispanic?

        • Reynardine

          When you use the term “Black” what exactly do you think of? A dark-skinned Bantu tribesman or is it Beyonce and Halle Berry, both of whom are Black?

    • Reynardine

      HIspanics are using all kinds of strategies to enter North America
      with the long-term plan of eventually conquering North America.

      • Bossman

        Your reply is meaningless as usual. First you need to properly define what “Hispanic” is. It is not a race nor a geographic area. If you’re talking about Mexicans, they are already in North America and are North Americans.

        • Reynardine

          Your reply is meaningless as usual. First you need to properly define what “Asian” is.

          • Bossman

            Asia is a continent and Asians are the people indigenous to that continent and East Asians are a group of people who can be identified genetically as coming from that region.

          • Reynardine

            The Turkic peoples live in Asia, as do many Caucausians, Semitics, Dravidians, Sinoids, Aboriginals and others.

            Which East Asian people do you mean? The Han? The Yamato? The Koreans? The Japanese? The Turks? The Manchu? The Uyghurs? The Kazakhs? The Mongols? Filipinos? Malaysians? Indonesians? Which Indonesian subgroups?

            As you see, your term “Asian” is without meaning. There’s no such thing as an East Asian.

          • Bossman

            I know an East Asian when I see one.

          • Reynardine

            Well I know a Hispanic when I see one.

          • Bossman

            No you don’t! Hispanics can be of any race and many of them are white or can pass for white.

          • Reynardine

            I merely observe their last names, behaviours, and thought patterns.

            Hispanics reveal themselves by their inability to grasp the gist of Anglo-Culture, Anglo-language, and Anglo-intelligence, just as you do every day on this forum. You are Hispanic through and though, and have thus far been completely unable to grasp any of the deeper things I’ve tried to hammer into your prefrontal-cortex-deficient brain.

            They are indubitably arrogant, creepy (they do not observe anglo body language), and shallow as a puddle. Their future-orientation is measured in hours (if that, often they don’t bother to show up for work – evidence of a more ‘mentally relaxed’ culture), and they lack even the basic vestiges of creativity.

            They will only go down in history like the Vandals, a tribe known only for their desecration and deprivation of a more civilized people.

  • NoMosqueHere

    Charlie Chan for President!

  • pcmustgo

    Hey, Amreners, check out my Teach for America interaction with a certain White Male…. how about “Why White Men Want Asian Women”?

    • Raymond Kidwell

      I replied to an asian female who supports white nationalism and asked her to contact me if she is interested in working together on mutual goals. You assumed that I had some intent of dating her for some reason. Then when I explained to you that it’s not my intent you still seem to believe it. Not all white men have some thing for asians. I’m more open to it than some more hard core racialists but it really is not any kind of desire of mine.

      I just point out that I have a really difficult time finding rational and intelligent people. One example here is you make all these wild assumptions and even when I explain in detail how they aren’t true, you still believe them. This is pretty much what I encounter with the majority of people I deal with.

      • pcmustgo

        Fair enough….

        • Raymond Kidwell

          That’s far too rational of a reply. You have fizzled out the entertainment value of this conversation. I can only imagine what the poor Chinese girl will think when she sees all this.

          She wrote an article for another white website. I thought it all made a lot of sense.

  • Close the borders, deport all non-whites.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    Just stop the chinese from entering into the US and kick them all out.

  • Ella

    Chinese tourists sport a bathing suit at 9m pregnant–common folks! ICE should return them immediately, which will always be cheaper than US hospital maternity bills.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    You know the cultural Marxism invasion has transitioned into an occupation phase when invaders publicly and comfortably mock the founding population’s laws without the slightest fear of prosecution.

    You also see “occupation” behavior with federal agencies/contractors/corporations and their “diversity” hiring quotas. The anti-White occupiers make no attempt at concealing their demographic preference behavior, like they once did during the cultural Marxist invasion portion of the campaign.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    I know a Chinese girl illegally in the US and she obtained the deferred action from Obama and is now in college. She went to a community college and lied and got in state tuition. Now she is in a university. She has relatives from China that get pregnant and come to the US and have their babies and then go back to China. They then send the kids back when they are around 8 and collect welfare freebies.

  • John Jackson

    Is there really anything that surprises any of you anymore? I’m finding myself more and more saying that I’d be surprised if the things I read on Amren WEREN’T happening, this country has gotten so nuts.

  • shmo123

    This makes my blood boil. For one, that a country could be so stupid and myopic that it would allow citizenship be handed out like candy on Halloween; secondly and even worse, you don’t even need to get to the US–any remote outpost flying an American flag will do just fine. I’m sure the Chinese would never consider such a ridiculous policy be enacted on their own soil and must laugh at us for the fools we are. I’ll retire to Bedlam.

  • stonepillow

    I don’t have a problem with millionaire Chinese flying in, paying all their bills in cash and flying out again. However this does not portend will for China because it look like a net outflow of capital to the United States is being positioned not mention a net outflow of the risk taking business class.

    • Charles Martel

      I would not automatically assume these wealthy Chinese are successful entrepreneurs. Plenty of party members have gotten filthy rich through corruption.

      • stonepillow

        Hmmm? You’re right.

    • Rustler

      This kind of thinking is totally incompatible with nationalism or concern for our people’s survival.

      • stonepillow

        I guess it’s just my inner Shylock talking.

    • shmo123

      No problem at all. As long as they’re not leaving with a newborn carrying an American passport.

  • Hammerheart

    The original united states consitution is the finest document ever written by man in the history of the world. It transcends even the Bible, Hamlet, and War and Peace.

    I am tired of seeing politican exploit and defile this sacred document for their own personal profits and to further their radical, misguided agendas.

    Muslims aren’t shy about castigating those who defile their book of lies. Why aren’t we? We are starting to no longer deserve our heritage.

    I pray the Saxon is beginning to hate.

  • ghettovalley

    I remember hearing about these “Chinese baby mills” over fifteen years ago. The Chinese seem to love circumventing and abusing our laws , plus they’ve been buying up this country like it’s hot shrimp fried rice for decades. Of course those running the show do nothing for us, because money talks. When you’re a spineless greedy piece of living and breathing garbage, for example 99.9% of our elected government representatives, I suppose that everything has a price. Even the country your ancestors founded, the birthright of your descendants.

  • Annabelle Pettyjohn

    25% of China desires to migrate……….

  • Ella

    A six month visa for younger Chinese women??? What excuses do they give to remain in the USA this long? EU only grants us 90 days without a visa for a faster visit or vacation.