IRS to Pay Back-Refunds to Illegal Immigrants Who Didn’t Pay Taxes

Stephen Dinan, Washington Times, February 11, 2015

IRS Commissioner John Koskinen told Congress on Wednesday that even illegal immigrants who didn’t pay taxes will be able to claim back-refunds once they get Social Security numbers under President Obama’s temporary deportation amnesty.

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Mr. Koskinen, testifying to the House oversight committee, said the White House never asked him or anyone else at the IRS about the potential tax effects of his amnesty policy.

“I haven’t talked to the White House about this at all,” he said.

He also clarified his testimony to the Senate last week, where he acknowledged illegal immigrants who had paid taxes using substitute Social Security numbers but who gain real Social Security numbers when they are approved for the amnesty can apply for back-refunds of the Earned Income Tax Credit.

On Wednesday, he said even illegal immigrants who didn’t pay taxes will be able to apply for back-credits once they get Social Security numbers.

The EITC is a refundable tax credit, which means those who don’t have any tax liability can still get money back from the government.

“Under the new program, if you get a Social Security number and you work, you’ll be eligible to apply for the Earned Income Tax Credit,” Mr. Koskinen said.

He said that would apply even “if you did not file” taxes, as long as the illegal immigrant could demonstrate having worked off-the-books during those years.

That expands the universe of people eligible for the tax credit by millions. He said only about 700,000 illegal immigrants currently work and pay taxes using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, but as many as 4 million illegal immigrants could get a stay of deportation and work permits under the temporary amnesty, which would mean they would be eligible to claim back-refunds if they worked those years.

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Mr. Koskinen said he didn’t know how much money the tax refunds would cost, and said the White House never checked with him before announcing the amnesty. He said the maximum annual credit is between $500 and $600 for an individual.

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  • dd121

    Why God, why?

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      Because NO ONE is stopping them.

      That’s why.

      • LS Wight

        I like your name. Yes, your comment may be the best one here.

    • Sick of it

      I’m pretty sure He’s in the “you made your bed now lie in it” frame of mind right about now.

    • LS Wight

      Did you not notice that this was also forced on Europe, Australia, New Zealand and beginning in Canada besides the USA? It’s because they need to level the globe into one socio-economic unit so they will bring the 3rd world to all formerly white nations.

      • FEEuser

        Indeed. And the end game doesn’t look too attractive for white middle class people, does it?

  • Chip Carver

    They have to keep the replacement population fat, happy, and breeding. Got to make sure the mamcitas keep popping out new gangbangers and welfare recipients.

    There’s no conspiracy though. No one really wants to rid the nation of whites because they have a silly dream of themselves and their fat little spoiled kids ruling over a land filled with low IQ Amerindians and mestizos. Just the thought itself is outrageous – and if “they” get their way – soon to be criminal.

    • LS Wight

      I’m so glad you are awake, makes me feel a bit relieved. God bless! WPWW!

    • The_Iron_Guru

      Of course there is a conspiracy. The brainwashing that has people automatically deny their existence is as powerful as the PC brainwashing that has made so many whites hate themselves or be idiotic enough to believe that we can vote ourselves out trouble. Why do you think so many people, including a lot people here, take things at face value? It’s been said that is one of the main weaknesses of whites, that trust that we have that helped us develop as a people is being used against us. Do you believe this to be the case?

      • Laika

        Chis is being sarcastic.

        • Chip Carver

          I think he knows that. But like a lot of us the frustration has risen above the usual levels because we can see that the program to repopulate the country has accelerated. The powers that be are more brazen because they have put a non-white face on the Puppet in Chief this time, and this does help derail a lot of criticism. In the end I guess you could say that the federal govt. is a tool being used to marginalize and possibly eliminate Whites.This is why aware people become frustrated because there are those who try to keep well intentioned people’s attention on the political parties rather than on who is controlling those parties.

          • FEEuser

            Whites are too prosperous and hard to control. They are also the group from which most of the opposition to the NWO (New World Order) will come. So, you marginalize them, neutralize them, and get rid of them.

            The Mojados are MUCH easier to control. Poor, destitute, and ignorant, they will make excellent serfs if they survive the great culling.

            This is not going to end well. I don’t like to make predictions, but this could get violent.

  • mike j

    Aren’t there some 14th Amendment issues here? I mean that if mojados may commit document fraud and fail to file taxes with impunity, shouldn’t I be allowed to do likewise? Or is it only the mojados who are privileged to choose which laws they’ll observe and which they’ll ignore?

    Obviously, the EITC is an absurd Marxist scam in the first place. Giving EITC to persons whose income and employment can’t be verified is beyond belief.

    • TheMaskedUnit

      LOL

    • LS Wight

      Prosecuting them would be “Racist” according to anti-white Marxist critical theory.

    • FEEuser

      Seen in the context of the NAU (North American Union) and the NWO (New World Order), it makes sense. They can’t establish one world government with a bunch of well educated, middle class white people standing in the way. White people know too much, are too hard to control, and will just get in the way.

      They must cut us down to size by bankrupting us and importing third world colored people. The friction that the latter will cause our society will be invaluable to the power elite and will serve as the replacement of the whites in the new age to come.

      We will be ruled by “philosopher kings” (all white of course), and everybody else will be colored, ignorant, and poor. What a wonderful world that will be!

  • DonReynolds

    It is worse than reported.
    Illegal aliens can reach back three tax years to collect their (un)Earned Income Credit checks, which should average $3,000 per year…..even if they did not pay any tax whatsoever. Lemmie see……5 million amnesties, $3k per year, 3 years. Yeah, that only comes to $45 billion in income transferred to illegal aliens (TAX FREE). Will there be any fraud?

    Of course, there won’t be any fraud for the elderly illegal aliens (with multiple health problems). They automatically qualify for Social Security retirement and Medicare (if they say they are old enough), but they are not required to purchase Obamacare crap. What could go wrong?

    • Oil Can Harry

      Obama should just call this Pigford 3 and claim the illegals deserve $ because back in the 80s Ronald Reagan wouldn’t let them become farmers back in Latin America.

    • iuyyyyui

      Absolutely correct.

      We’ve all heard the phrase “tax transfers”.

      Meaning: TRANSFERRING $$$.

      Meaning: TRANSFERRING $$$ FROM THOSE WHO WORK, TO THOSE WHO DON’T (actually, those who WON’T).

      Meaning: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (see: classical Marxism).

      Meaning: Rob the Rich to Pay the Poor.

      But remember: the REAL rich will be exempt from being robbed (see: Obama and his Big Dem donors and his Crony Capitalist buddies).

      So the burden of “Paying the Poor” (remember: NYC already has “programs” which PAY minority high-schoolers to do homework … “to improve educational outcomes”, and which pay minority moms to regularly take their chillunz’ to Medicaid doctors … “to improve health outcomes”) … so the burden of “Paying the Poor” will fall WHOLLY on the MIDDLE CLASS.

      The middle class will be GUTTED over the next 1-2 decades, and the U.S. will become an exact replica of:
      -the Philippines
      -Mexico
      -pick just about any third-world country.

      OBAMA AND THE “PROGRESSIVES” WILL ACHIEVE THEIR GOAL OF “INCOME EQUALITY”, JUST AS CUBA DID: MOST OF THE POPULACE WILL BE VARYING DEGREES OF POOR, WITH OBAMA & HIS CRONIES AT THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID RULING OVER THE REST.
      _______________________________________________________

      • DonReynolds

        IF WE DO NOTHING….
        you are absolutely correct.
        I happen to believe at some point a good many people will see as clearly as you do and they will begin to resist.

      • FEEuser

        Of course. Wealth confiscation is what government is all about. That’s crony collectivism for you.

        • iuyyyyui

          Mr. Fee User: Huh. That’s not what the U.S. government as originally founded was about. Taxes to a certain extent, to provide for national necessities, and as supported by the populace via their representatives. It’s all spun out of control at this point. I think your fatalism is way off base. As did the men who founded the U.S.

    • Paleoconn

      I like my math better: 10 million illegals x $500 average one-way plane ticket = the best $5B the US taxpayer has spent in a long, long while.

      • DonReynolds

        Not many good deals like that anymore. But I do not see why the US taxpayer should pay the airlines to send people back to their own country. They came here under their own steam….they can go back the same way.

        Provide them with a dated “Safe Conduct Pass”, good for 120 days, to enable the illegals to evacuate their families and their junk. Once the safe conduct pass expires, confiscate any property remaining in the US and send them back on a bus with a box lunch in their lap. Auction the property off at the flea market and use the proceeds to pay rewards to Americans for helping apprehend the difficult ones.

        • Paleoconn

          Even better, Don. My point though is just that we are to spend any money on these invaders, it should be on sending them back.

    • FEEuser

      I would expect nothing less from a crony collectivist system with no use whatever for freedom loving, independent-minded people.
      I see only one rational course of action for Americans. Peaceful secession. Just deny consent and walk away. Spread the word. Get your neighbors to do the same.
      Last I heard, some 67 million people do not even file tax returns. I’m sure the number is higher now.

  • superlloyd

    Who says criminality doesn’t pay?

    • Paleoconn

      It only pays for certain ethnic groups, not for you and me. Unless we get in the coyote business.

  • Luca

    Screw the IRS and Obama. Everyone should just file false tax returns. This year I will have 12 kids, and $250,000 in medical expenses.

  • MekongDelta69

    So THAT’S where my refund went…

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      I’m going to use this excuse when it comes time to pay taxes this year:

      “I lost all my tax records for the past seven years due to a computer glitch”

      It worked for Lois Lerner.

      • Just say you’re unable to remit tax payment this year or any future years because the government, through false flags like the Underwear Bomber and the Boston Marathon Bombers, and through their constant middle eastern wars, is a state sponsor of terror and therefore it would be illegal to support them by giving them your money.

      • LS Wight

        Lois Lerner is Jewish and you are White. Have fun in prison and/or having all your assets seized!

        • Bon, From the Land of Babble

          I’ve got a timer running on your post.

          • John Smith

            Yep – can’t say anything about the “chosen people” here at this white-focused racial-consciousness website.

        • Laika

          You’re new here, aren’t you.

          Stay seated. You will soon learn the moderation policy, which you have violated. You’ve touched the third rail and will suffer the consequences.

          See you back at Stormfront.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Koskinen said that would apply even ‘if you did not file’ taxes, as long as the illegal immigrant could demonstrate having worked off-the-books during those years.’

    Try that, American citizen, and see if the IRS forgives you for not filing or paying back taxes for three years.

    Meanwhile….

    In 2010, 741 tax returns were filed to the federal government from a single address in Belle Glade, Fla., the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports. In response, the Internal Revenue Service issued over $1 million in combined tax refunds to that address.

    In addition to the Belle Glade home, there was an address in Tampa that sent in 518 tax returns and got back almost $1.8 million in refunds, and an address in Lansing, Mich., sent in 2,137 tax returns and got more than $3.3 million back.

    • LS Wight

      Koskinen/synagogue of satan/Jewish.

  • Danny_J_W

    I hope everyone remembers every low info that did this to us as well as Obama. I told you they were trying to destroy this country and what do you know, it’s continuing right on schedule. The law abiding tax paying citizens get audits and the illegals get free money when they never paid a dime in taxes. This country is f^cking sickening since the ” A$$hole in Chief ” got elected.

    • ElGringo

      I’m trying to destroy it too. The US is over. It’s time for something just for us that is free of liberal scum and non-whites. A civil war is the only way to get there at this point. Our enemies are just not going to simply roll over.

    • Laika

      It’s called buying votes which has long been a tradition in American politics.

      Once the low-informaiton electorate is permanently ensconced in the U.S. it will be curtains for Whites.

      • DonReynolds

        My white relatives are all Scot-Irish and I would not count them out until you see their head severed from their body. Even without arms or legs they would try to head butt. It will get really bad before we avoid the end you expect.

        • Laika

          What end do you expect? A “rainbow nation?” That worked out so well for South Africa.

          All human history is about a struggle over resources and, in the end, that’s what this will be about.

          If you want to know what the US will look like in the near future when Whites are a minority and non-Whites are our overlords, look no further than SA where Whites are being ordered off the land.

          Think that won’t happen in the US or England? Think again.

          • DonReynolds

            Unlike yourself, I do not expect the whites to lose. Seventy percent of the people in this country are white, which is well over 200 million people. Any force in the world that could prevail over 200+ million American whites cannot cross an ocean and there is no minority or combination of minorities that would even pose a credible threat. (Besides, they really do not like each other.)

            If violence breaks out, it will be nearly impossible to stop it before it reaches the logical conclusion, which is not a “rainbow nation”.

          • Laika

            The end product in All and ONLY White homelands will be economic collapse and destabilization with one warring tribe against another over resources.

            That was the goal of the war in Iraq, endless, perpetual civil war between tribes that hate each other. If they’re busy fighting each other, they won’t band together to attack their real enemy in the ME.

            I don’t believe the US is 70% White. It is more likely down to 60%, and falling as fecund 3rd world scum is imported wholesale into our homeland. White numbers are puffed up by adding in some hispanics and arabs from north africa.

          • DonReynolds

            Fighting over resources is something humans have done since the dawn of time. We are actually very good at it.

            The US Census says 13 percent are black and 16 percent are hispanic…..that leaves 71 percent that are either white or asian. But it does not matter much, so go with 60 percent, as you insist. There are still 200+ million whites in this country and there has never been a year when that number declined.

  • Sam_Bowdin

    Illegal immigrants first get a social security card and then (as if the first travesty wasn’t enough) get tax refunds for not paying any taxes.

    Just when I thought we hit rock bottom, the anti-whites dig the hole deeper.

  • A Freespeechzone

    This is redistribution to the ignorant, unskilled and unwashed masses not wanted by their home countries by Obama as a matter of ‘payback’ as result of the hate and disdain he has for the average American.

    Nobody will do a damned thing to stop him…..

  • IstvanIN

    Can you imagine this getting past Congress in the 50s or 20s?

    • LS Wight

      That’s why they had to work all those decades at it. It’s called social engineering.

  • LS Wight

    When it was gay marriage, the first thing they said is that no children would be involved and now we have forced homosexual sex classes in school so kids can know how gay men use dildos—complete with a demonstration and I have seen the cell phone vid from Nebraska.
    When it was illegal immigration, the illegals said they pay more taxes than citizens because they never get a tax refund.
    IF ANY OF YOU STILL BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT YOU’RE TOLD BY THE ELITE THEN YOU JUST ABOUT DESERVE TO BE LIED TO ANYHOW!
    (We are already told we are not allowed to disagree with child molesters and gay marriage isn’t even legal in all 50 states yet. It’s legalized in every zionist nation–37 US states currently.)

  • IstvanIN

    Made up or stolen.

  • LS Wight

    The stated goal was to take over “Without a shot fired” to transform the USA like they have Europe.

  • LS Wight

    It will never break, it’s called the “Long March” of the Frankfurt school. They are boiling frogs. They’ve been boiling frogs for decades. Frogs boil to death on a slow burn.

  • LS Wight

    Dead people or else you can buy them off the street.

  • De Doc

    Math is not important to Obama Inc. And Koskinen is one of its many lackies, who do the administration’s bidding.

    Al Quaeda once said they would inflict death on us by a thousand cuts. Those chumps never needed to sharpen their knifes for our benefit, because they didn’t realize that we are far more efficient at cutting ourselves. So endeth the Republic.

    • Laika

      They also control Al Quaeda, playing both sides as usual, just as they do in American politics.

      Our overlords are very clever, they are, and always hedge their bet by funding both sides.

    • Hank Richter

      Actually, you can trace much of this back to things Osama and Al Quaeda orchestrated.

      We could go back further but to keep it simple let’s just start at 9/11: There is the obvious economic damage that did and loss of life, but tragic as it was, it was just the beginning.

      With the country in a state of fear the NeoCons/NeoLibs used it to invade Afghanistan, just as Osama wanted, then grant more power to the federal govt ie Patriot Act, DHS, TSA, then came Iraq of course.

      Add to that all those things cost tons of money, so here comes the borrowing, money printing, more taxes and hidden fees and permits to pay it which cripples the economy.

      These new agencies create 100’s of thousands of new govt workers who are now beholden to the govt for their livelihood and so they will fight tooth and nail against anyone who would try to abolish them.

      Over the next 6yrs the wars, the debt, the govt intrusion infuriate the people, suddenly “Conservatism”, “Capitalism”, and “Christianity” – which are sadly associated with the Rep party – become dirty words and everyone runs into the arms of Obama. Go read some of Osama’s writings, he spelled it all out and America still walked right into his trap.

      • “Everyone ran into Obama’s arms” not so much as a visceral reaction to the previous administration, but because Obama is half black, had a high enough LSAT score, he can charismatically read a teleprompter, and he was cogent enough to do a delicate balancing act of all the disparate left wing causes, such that the whole left wing and a lot of other people “atoned” their racial “sins” by becoming an Obama cultist.

        Wait until Obama is a political non-factor. For what I’m thinking, the 2016 Democrat National convention, which will be in Philadelphia, we found out yesterday, may well be a grab the popcorn 1968 style event.

        • Hank Richter

          Oh, I don’t deny much of his initial popularity was his skin color and charisma, but that was all just the icing on the cake. Fact is Bush was a hated man, I think any Democrat would have won that year, people were tired of the war mongering.

        • DonReynolds

          Don’t forget…..OBAMA LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH.
          Had he told the voting public even SOME of the nutty policies he had planned to magically transform this country, he would never have been elected. Also, he has failed to make good on the promises he did make.
          At no time during the campaigns for 2008 and 2012 did OBAMA say he had the Constitutional authority to run the country by himself, ignoring the law on the books, bypassing Congress, contrary to the will of the people of this country. He would have been given the George McGovern treatment.

  • nordmann

    These ogres can say whatever they’d like because they know the traitorous republicans are completely spineless and are paid opposition. What are we supposed to do, wait for the Ragnarök?

    • Race War Provisions

      Get your Provisions ready!

      • Laika

        Sharpen your knives (so to speak), it’s going to get very very ugly very soon.

        • DonReynolds

          “He’s checking his list…
          Checking it twice…
          Gonna find out whose
          naughty and nice.”

  • John Smith

    Cloward-Piven strikes again with the help of foreign invaders.

  • archer

    The congress of the U.S. is the most useless thing in the world, they could stop all of this but choose not to, It’s time for a strong third party or we’re finished.

    • 1G25

      That, or secession. Blue states (not the few good people trapped within them) are the reason America is screwed in the fundament.

      • DonReynolds

        There are no Blue States.
        Check out the map.
        There are only a few Blue counties in some of the states that are Blue.
        Some of them are urban centers.
        There is no reason why a few Blue counties should destroy this country.
        Burn them to the ground instead.

    • DonReynolds

      There is no political solution to treason.
      Voting is not going to solve the problem (every four years).
      Talking is not going to solve the problem.
      This is a conflict that cannot be avoided.
      Patriots already know the only thing that will work.

  • Earl P. Holt III

    If we ever return to sanity, we must eliminate the so-called “Earned Income Tax Credit,” which is nothing but a vehicle for transferring wealth from people who work and pay taxes, to people who do not…

    • Laika

      It’s called redistribution…of poverty.

      Makes the cattle easier to control.

  • Laika

    LS Wight assumes most of us here are either dumb or naive about what’s going on and how it came about. We are not. We’re not allowed to discuss it here.

  • Spikeygrrl

    “…as long as the illegal immigrant could demonstrate having worked off-the-books during those years.”

    Oh, that’s rich: Gotta document being “undocumented.”

  • Spikeygrrl

    YES. And for all of you grousing about the EITC, be aware that a LOT of military enlisted personnel get it every year (because salaries are ng low). Also be aware that most JUNIOR enlisted who are married with one or more children also need Food Stamps to make ends meet.

    That bears repeating: Brave, patriotic men and women who put their own lives on the line to protect American civilians (and most of the rest of the Western world) from the likes of ISIS need Food Stamps to survive…while illegal aliens get refunds on taxes they never even paid.

    SHAMEFUL.

  • Hank Richter

    That’s what I was thinking. Are they going to pay all the expenses for their kids who have been going to school? All the medical bills they skated out on? All the other services they’ve leeched off of? We all the answer to that.

    • FEEuser

      Ohhh, it’s enough to make a person quite this country and move somewhere else. They say Colombia is nice.

      Herbert Spencer:

      “Be it or be it not true that Man is shapen in iniquity and conceived in sin, it is unquestionably true that Government is begotten of aggression and by aggression.”

  • mike j

    In a word, fraudulent.

  • withcaution

    Go after 15 million people? Are they going after them right now for being here illegal?

  • withcaution

    “…as long as the illegal immigrant could demonstrate having worked off-the-books during those years.”

    Amazing part is, those that owe taxes won’t file and those that can claim the earned income credit will file and nobody will be prosecuted.

  • T_Losan

    Meanwhile, record numbers of expat Americans are renouncing citizenship due to the punitive US tax code. Let’s get rid of these “old ass, uptight” net contributors and replace them with some multicultural net consumers. This should end well.

  • Once upon a time, in the bad ole bigoted non-comprehensive days, back when I had to walk 20 miles one way to school through a foot of snow while wearing worn boots, the EITC was only for single parents who had dependent children under 18 and who had an income in a certain range that was indicative of the lower and low-average rung of the income bell curve, and that money was earned through gainful employment.

    During the Bush years, the EITC was expanded so generously that Jared Taylor might qualify for it. It was one of the ways he tried to chase after the Hispanic vote, and it worked so well that he got 40% of it in 2004. Of course it means the other person on the ballot, a plutocrat billionaire, got 59%, meaning it worked so well that Bush got blown out in a landslide defeat among Hispanic voters, a defeat which the Republican establishment still celebrates to this day.

  • Again, for the one thousandth and first time, I will ask the question: What part of “in this country illegally” don’t some people understand?

  • DonReynolds

    Counterfeit…..same as the green cards…..and the drivers licenses.
    Not a single one of them have a verifiable identity.

    • FEEuser

      Yes, the whole business is sort of becoming a meaningless exercise, isn’t it? I wonder at what point “citizenship” just doesn’t matter any more? And after that, what WILL matter? The NAU, I guess, and then the NWO.
      That is……unless we secede. A lot can happen before they create “one world government.”

  • DonReynolds

    Google the term……Agenda 21

  • FEEuser

    Frederic Bastiat, the 19th-century economist and pamphleteer:

    “The state is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.”