Do We Need to Integrate Our Churches?

Naomi Schaefer Riley, New York Post, February 23, 2015

‘When it comes to race, our churches must reflect the united kingdom of Christ more than the divided states of America.”

That’s the mission of a Southern Baptist Convention-hosted conference in Nashville next month. In the wake of “recent events in Ferguson and with Eric Garner,” the Baptist leaders think it’s their duty to change their flocks. Many leaders of other denominations agree.

But is more diversity in their pews really all that feasible–or even that worthy a goal?

To start with, the people in the pews now don’t seem to be on board for this exercise in social engineering. In a new poll from LifeWay Research, just 40 percent of churchgoers said they think their congregations need to become more ethnically diverse.

Which disappointed the poll-takers. “Surprisingly, most churchgoers are content with the ethnic status quo in their churches,” Ed Stetzer, LifeWay’s executive director, told Christianity Today.

“In a world where our culture is increasingly diverse, and many pastors are talking about diversity, it appears most people are happy where they are–and with whom they are. . . Yet it’s hard for Christians to say they are united in Christ when they are congregating separately.”

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Another recent LifeWay survey found that 86 percent of US Protestant congregations have one predominant ethnic group.

And, according to the National Congregations Survey, a few more majority-white congregations had some black attendees in 2007 than in 1998, but no greater share of black churches reported having any white attendees.

It’s not much different here in hyperdiverse New York City. A 2011 study sponsored by the Web site A Journey Through NYC Religions found 130 ethnicities represented in the city’s evangelical churches.

But 44 percent are mono-ethnic churches (at least 90 percent of attendees are from one ethnic group) and 89 percent are majority-ethnic churches (more than half of attendees from a single ethnic group).

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Aram Bae directs family ministries at Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church, one of the few truly multicultural congregations in the city. She appreciates that factor, but also says, “People should understand the need for ethnic churches.”

She grew up in a Korean Presbyterian Church–her father is a pastor, too. “It’s the one hour a week where you feel like you’re in the majority.”

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Bae is skeptical of any special obligation for churches to bring people together from different backgrounds. She’s certainly not opposed to more diverse congregations, but she wonders why people just can’t work to improve race relations at work or among their friends.

The advantage of neighborhood ethnic churches, she says, “is that they feel more like a family.”

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  • Mack0

    It’s a silly question to even ask. If people want to integrate their churches that’s the business of the parishioners. Leave people the hell alone. The question is designed to plant a seed of guilt.

    • Sick of it

      Anyone who’s even remotely Christian should ignore the liberal rag calling itself Christianity Today. It’s chock full of heresy.

      • Robert Smith

        It’s psychological communism threaded through Christian verbiage.

      • Alden

        I would not dignify the churches following every diktat from the liberal indoctrination centers with the name of heresy. After all, the heretics put a great deal of thought into their ideas. And their ideas were religious, not hedonistic Marxism.

      • Alexandra1973

        I knew it was full of it when it did a hit piece on ex-Jesuit Alberto Rivera.

    • Alexandra1973

      My church’s doors are open to anyone who wants to come in and listen. It’s also in a predominantly White area and it’s about 99% White.

      What’re we supposed to do now…have churches that have bus routes purposely pick up “minorities” so we’ll have diversity?

      • Mack0

        The implication is there for that. They are using guilt to prey on christians good nature.

      • Sid Ishus

        Why, yes, you are supposed to have bus routes designed to target NAMs. Visited my family’s church this past Sunday, in the opening announcements they had a slide requesting help to start a bus ministry…all the children on the slide were Brown/Black. This church has historically been so White they were suspicious of anyone who tanned.

        The new, young, energetic, caring pastor’s sermon was on Thou Shalt Not Steal. Which he tied into man stealing, which he tied into slavery. Somehow the main point was how God hates slavery, the Hebrews didn’t practice slavery instead it was indentured servitude. I feel he was trying to ingratiate himself to the handful of Negroes he’s acquired so far.

        He and I are having a running discussion on whether that is biblically accurate, for some reason his correspondence is lacking in references.

  • John Smith

    Makes me glad to be an agnostic….

  • Groundhog Day story. We read it 20 years ago, 15 years ago, 10 years ago, 5 years ago. And we’ll read it 5 years from now, 10 years from now, 15 years from now, 20 years from now. And 20 years from now, Sunday will STILL be “the most segregated day of the week” (Thank God, pun intended).

    A number of years ago, I was at a national convention in Memphis. At the same hotel complex at the same time was a meeting of a black church group from Nashville. As if Memphis didn’t already have enough blacks, they had to import more from Nashville. Oh well. Anyway, I passed by the room where the black churchers were meeting, and I heard a black woman blurt out: “And we need more diversity up here up in these here churches!” And of course, all the blacks in the room started cheering, clapping, hootin and hollerin, Arsenio Hall style. I thought to myself that she didn’t know what she was talking about, because if her church and their churches become more diverse, literally, it would mean fewer black people. At the time, I came to the conclusion that she merely said it because she thought it sounded good coming out of her mouth and it sounded good going into the eardrums of the other people in the room, while in reality, nobody really knew what she was saying.

    Now that I know better, now that I know the very definition of “diversity” is a moving goalpost, I now think what she meant by that was that: White churches should have more black people.

    • WR_the_realist

      Diversity means fewer whites. So that black woman who said we need more diversity meant that we need more all black churches, and those people clapping and hooting understood her meaning correctly.

  • Dave4088

    The 40% of presumably white blockheads who said churches need more racial integration probably live in neighborhoods largely devoid of blacks and browns.

    • Wing-nut.

      Gated communities.

    • Awakened Saxon

      Why do you say that? Some of the most liberal whites come from heavily mixed areas like San Francisco and New York.

      • Dave4088

        Did you even read the article? Baptists were the focus of the article and there’s not many who in San Fran or New York if at all. And liberals in those cities live in mostly white or all white ethnic enclaves if they have the financial wherewithal. It’s only the starving artist libtard who lives with diversity because he/she cannot afford other accommodations.

      • LackawannaErie

        There are almost no blacks left in SF, just lots of Chinese.

        NYC is heavily segregated by neighborhood. The whole North is segregated socially compared to the South. We don’t shop at the same stores or eat at the same restaurants with lots of blacks like white people in the South.

        • Charles Martel

          Weaselzippers posted when a BLacklivesmatter protest showed up gays threw trash and stool at them. Even gays are not willing to suffer blacks. The link is in moderation in a reply to awakened saxon. Look at the comments in there.

        • Awakened Saxon

          I have never seen any segregation during my time in the North. I have no idea what you are talking about. I have never seen a place where the races mix more freely than they do in the North.

        • Sick of it

          You weren’t forced to do so by men with guns.

        • Awakened Saxon

          The US Census says there are 51,084 blacks in San Francisco.

        • Sid Ishus

          We didn’t used to mingle either. Now there is nowhere left to escape from them; neighborhoods, malls, restaurants, grocery stores, schools, hell, they’re even showing up at the lakes in the Ozarks where the klan used to be feared.

      • Alucard_the_last

        I lived in both and have found that the white liberals live in white liberal neighborhoods.

    • Alucard_the_last

      And you better believe that they formally announce the fact that they have 1 or 2 black friends.

  • TruthBeTold

    No they don’t. They only think they do or say they do because they were asked and don’t want to appear unchristian.

    If their churches were integrated they wouldn’t like it for long especially when diversity hits ‘critical mass’.

  • Truthseeker

    Churches should have congregations that reflect the people who feel at home in the church. A church is not a museum, it’s a house of worship. Different kinds of people will be attracted to different kinds of churches, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

  • HJ11

    Those that are integrated are lost and doomed. Segregation in all things is the best policy.

    We, no less than any other organisms, are the products of our genes. Our ways are ultimately from our genes. Pure White ways are not the same as Black ways or Yellow ways or Red ways or Brown ways or mixed race ways.

  • The day my church integrates itself is the day I am no longer a member of that church. Christians will once more have to worship in secret. Perhaps we’ll all get matching ichthys tattoos.

  • Robert Smith

    I can think of two ways to empty a church. One is to preach the true gospel of Jesus Christ. The other is to integrate it.

    • Sick of it

      Believe it or not, the former can be popular at times.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      What is the true gospel of Jesus Christ? If anything, I would think that would be a plus, not a cause of a church being emptied out.

      As far as integration, man messes up everything he touches with the best of intentions. I think back to the story of the mulatto Samaritan woman at the well, whom Jesus met. He didn’t blame Jews for her plight, nor did he suggest the Samaritans and Jews miscegenate… he just presented the way of eternal life and that was it.

      • Robert Smith

        The gospel makes people uncomfortable in their sin, or should. Today’s big tent church is full of concessions to the unrepentant sinner. Today’s church is about growing the revenue stream gospel be damned. A fire breathing Billy Sunday would have a congregation consisting of his own family today. Then she’d divorce him and sick the lawyers on him for alimony and child support.

        • Born_In_The_Pineywoods

          There are still some Independent Baptists who have the Word preached in their churches. No colored folks seem to want to stay for more than one service…

          • Gunter Mabuse

            There is a syndicated radio preacher called Brother Pendarvis (the “Old Trailblazer”) who is broadcast in the early mornings here in Mississippi–I think he is from Alabama. He’s blunt enough to be fairly shocking sometimes–I find myself laughing out loud on occasion, simply because of his audacity. I doubt his program would be very popular on any of the local black stations.

          • Alexandra1973

            I go to a small IFB church 3 times a week, 4 if you count my volunteering at a Christian addictions program. The Word of God is preached there.

            I’ve seen a black person here and there a few times…I don’t think I ever saw one come more than two or three times.

    • listenupbub

      Or to get a female priest.

    • Lion’s Mane

      Kindly go to YouTube and listen to prominent preacher John Piper. Here you will find a very common teaching on miscegenation in Reformed circles and today’s Southern Baptists. It very difficult these days to find any pastor who contradicts this.
      Just enter, please the first eight words, followed by a question mark:

      Can a White Woman Marry a Black Man? (John Piper episode 98)

      If you like, kindly let us here know what you think of his line of reasoning.

      • Robert Smith

        Plucking verses out of context is a common practice that leads to erroneous conclusions such as this one by Pastor Piper. One of the first acid tests I would use is “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” I see these relationships destroying Christianity not aiding it, or at least neutral.

        From the 10th chapter of Ezra we find,

        The People’s Confession of Sin

        10 While Ezra was praying and confessing, weeping and throwing himself down before the house of God, a large crowd of Israelites—men, women and children—gathered around him. They too wept bitterly. 2 Then Shekaniah son of Jehiel, one of the descendants of Elam, said to Ezra, “We have been unfaithfulto our God by marrying foreign women from the peoples around us. But in spite of this, there is still hope for Israel. 3 Now let us make a covenant before our God to send away all these women and their children, in accordance with the counsel of my lord and of those who fear the commands of our God. Let it be done according to the Law. 4 Rise up; this matter is in your hands. We will support you, so take courage and do it.”

        5 So Ezra rose up and put the leading priests and Levites and all Israel under oath to do what had been suggested. And they took the oath. 6 Then Ezra withdrew from before the house of God and went to the room of Jehohanan son of Eliashib. While he was there, he ate no food and drank no water, because he continued to mourn over the unfaithfulness of the exiles.

        7 A proclamation was then issued throughout Judah and Jerusalem for all the exiles to assemble in Jerusalem. 8 Anyone who failed to appear within three days would forfeit all his property, in accordance with the decision of the officials and elders, and would himself be expelled from the assembly of the exiles.

        9 Within the three days, all the men of Judah and Benjamin had gathered in Jerusalem. And on the twentieth day of the ninth month, all the people were sitting in the square before the house of God, greatly distressed by the occasion and because of the rain. 10 Then Ezra the priest stood up and said to them, “You have been unfaithful; you have married foreign women, adding to Israel’s guilt. 11 Now honor[a] the Lord, the God of your ancestors, and do his will. Separate yourselves from the peoples around you and from your foreign wives.”

        Some may say they were forced out due to being of a different faith. Notice there was no conversion option.

        The Tower of Babel lesson is another example of segregation.

        These things were so well understood until 50 years ago in the US that they didn’t need explaining. There is no need to explain that water is wet.

        This sickness is even more apparent at your local ethical society, It’s a plague brought to us not on blankets, but in music, movies, and free school.

        • Awakened Saxon

          That’s a long passage about the Bible frowning on Jews mixing with non-Jews. Do you have anything equivalent about whites mixing with non-whites?

    • sephora

      Have you ever seen a lutheran church? They are very integrated.

  • TruthBeTold

    In the wake of “recent events in Ferguson and with Eric Garner,” the Baptist leaders think it’s their duty to change their flocks. Many leaders of other denominations agree.

    I’m missing the link and the conclusion.

    Blacks would stop being criminals and committing crime?

  • Robert Smith

    Christianity is a powerful inoculation against psychological communism, but not without discernment.

    • Awakened Saxon

      Not in my lifetime, certainly. Christianity is right up there with the other destructive forces of the Left, notably the media and academia.

    • Drago Lord

      The Early Christian communities were communistic

      Jesus condemned the rich, the strong and the healthy many times

      “The Meek shall inherit the Earth”

      • Robert Smith

        I would simply say the difference being “free will” vs. government imposed with a top tier milking, controlling, and profiting from the situation.
        A man voluntarily sharing is quite different than being robbed by the state at gunpoint. The free will gesture can be withdrawn at any time if it is being abused. The state entitlement system benefits from abuse to keep the diverse groups fighting and distracting from the man behind the curtain.

  • Luca

    They want ‘Diversity’ to be seen as a religious experience.

    A taste of Hell if you ask me.

    • Robert Smith

      I guess this is the Diversity Cult’s version of self-immolation.

      • Samuel Hathaway

        These Southern Baptists are flirting with the diversity cult. They need to stay out of conforming to the official civil religion and just keep to the traditional, reformation-based faith. Diversity creates nothing but problems. It creates nothing constructive. It is the most damning, judgemental ideology that dares to tear down Christmas and treat it as just another holiday in the cultural pantheon, along with Ramadan, Kwanzza, and Hanakah.

        • Awakened Saxon

          The Baptists began agitating for equality almost immediately after arriving in the South from Rhode Island in the 17th century. This is nothing new for them.

          • LackawannaErie

            Damn straight. Evangelical style Christianity is not native to the South. It was spread by egalitarian Yankee missionaries. Southerners need to ditch this nonsense of only practice religions that are nationalistic.

        • Robert Smith

          One of the first perversions was the Scofield Reference Bible used by many protestant pastors and seminaries.

  • pcmustgo

    Yeah, cause they know nothing of real diversity yet. Wait til’ it actually happens… then they’ll regret it…

    Most whites know Blacks only from “the job” if that. Most people of all races put on their best act on the job…it’s not a real way of knowing somebody…

    • Awakened Saxon

      pcmustgo: Yeah, cause they know nothing of real diversity yet. Wait til’ it actually happens… then they’ll regret it…

      Are you sure? There are still whites in South Africa who support integration.

    • Alden

      I only know blacks from the job. At least at my various jobs they do not behave well, they are horrible. They spend their days gossiping, eating, taking breaks, squabbling and intriguing against Whites and sexual harassing White woman. But Maybe you are right it is their best behavior.

  • Caucasoid88

    Yes. I think we should integrate churches. Round up every color of the rainbow per the predetermined quota forcefully and lock them in the church. Don’t let them out. That’s the only way you’re going to get diversity in your churches, you sick puppies.

  • Glaivester

    I don’t think churches should be deliberately segregated, but there is no reason for them to have to be integrated if it does not happen naturally.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      I agree… Christianity is meant for the world. Churches are like any other social institution.. very small minorities can be tolerated without any trouble but if they increase in number to where they start agitating for their influence, there can be trouble. I believe strongly in the separation of church and state; hence, the government should have no say whatsoever in the ethnic makeup of any church, nor should it ever inquire about it.

      • Lion’s Mane

        But our ‘independent’ media will never leave the churches to themselves. They’ve been at this for the past 50+ years. If a white church were to exclude blacks — as used often to be the case — the media — especially the local television news — would hound that congregation night and day. The media might even encourage blacks or some other minority to attack the church in some ‘non-violent’ way.

  • Who Me?

    People are forced to interact with “diverse” types every day at their office or other place of employment/business. I’d think the last thing they’d really want is more of the same on Sunday. Plus, I never saw a church with a sign on the door stating the color of the persons allowed inside. If someone were to bring along a friend of a different race, I hardy think they’d be thrown out. Made to feel unwelcome, perhaps if they persisted in coming to services week after week.

    • Sick of it

      It’s amazing how many non-whites leave and never come back even when they are treated with kindness. They prefer to stick with their own.

      • Samuel Hathaway

        I remember seeing a young black woman come to my sunday school class once, about three years ago. It was her first — and last time.

        • Alexandra1973

          There’s only one black child that comes every Wednesday night…and she’s only there Wednesdays.

          One church I went to, there was a black girl of about 10 or so on our bus route. Last I heard she’d been kicked out of school–she wasn’t coming to church anymore. I was thinking, I am not surprised.

      • Sid Ishus

        How I wish that were true. It has been my experience they discover what a windfall White churches are and latch on.

        • Sick of it

          Around here they seem to prefer “churches” where the preacher constantly berates white people.

  • Erik

    Anyone who reads the bible knows we are to live segregated. Babylon is an example of a mixing pot that god destroyed. All white Countries are turning into Babylon. Why is that? The Edomites want those of Jacob to suffer and be wiped off this planet.

    • Erik

      Most have never even read the bible. They go to their Marxist preachers to learn the truth, but they aren’t being taught the truth. By the way, Thou Shalt not commit adultery means Thou Shalt not Mongrelize. The tenth Commandment already tells us not to take the wife of another. God didn’t need to repeat himself.

    • Robert Smith

      Someone sure knows what they are doing.

      • Usually Much Calmer

        I’m sorry, but I do not see the connection between your two images, let alone concepts. Perhaps you can help me out?

        • Erik

          Babylon was creating a mixed people, one religion, and one gov. That is what the agenda is today. To create one race of mixed people, one religion (Luciferian), and a one world government.

          • Usually Much Calmer

            Ah.The connection you drew attention to was not entirely visual but conceptual. Got it, thank you

      • Warner

        Alexander the Great could claim the title of being the founder of “international paganism” (as opposed to small-scale, local tribalism). Famed ancient writer Plutarch praised him thus:

        http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Moralia/Fortuna_Alexandri*/1.html

        “For Alexander did not follow Aristotle’s38 advice to treat the Greeks as if he were their leader, and other peoples as if he were their master; to have regard for the Greeks as for friends and kindred, but to conduct himself toward other peoples as though they were plants or animals; for to do so would have been to cumber his leadership with numerous battles and banishments and festering seditions. But, as he believed that he came as a heaven-sent governor to all, and as a mediator for the whole world, those whom he could not persuade to unite with him, he conquered by force of arms, and he brought together into one body all men everywhere, uniting and mixing in one great loving-cup, as it were, men’s lives, their characters, their marriages, their very habits of life.39 He bade them all consider as their fatherland the whole inhabited earth, as their stronghold and protection his camp, as akin to them all good men, and as foreigners only the wicked;”

        And Alexander died in the city of Babylon, in the palace of Biblical king Nebuchadnezzar; symbolism!

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Alexander_the_Great

        “According to a Babylonian astronomical diary, Alexander died between the evening of June 10 and the evening of June 11, 323 BC.[1] This happened in the palace of Nebuchadnezzar II in Babylon.”

        • Warner

          And Stoicism turned the legacy of Alexander into formal ideology. Gary North writes:

          “Stoic natural law theory was used to justify the new world empires of Macedonia and Rome. The Stoic concept of the rule of universal law was exclusively philosophical, not judicial. The foundation of Stoic philosophy was a denial of the Creator-creature distinction. Its outlook was summed up by Epictetus:

          “When a man has learnt to understand the government of the universe and has realized that there is nothing so great or sovereign or all-inclusive as this frame of things wherein man and God are united . . . why should he not call himself a citizen of the universe and a son of God?”(58)

          Stoicism offered no basis for political theory. Stoic man, as a citizen of the universe, did not regard participation in politics as the means of maintaining his universal citizenship. This citizenship was granted to him by natural law. Wolin has identified the elitism of such a view of citizenship, “a kind of invisible church of rational beings.”(59) Wolin cites the Stoic emperor (and persecutor of the church),(60) Marcus Aurelius, who defended the existence of common reason, common law, and common citizenship. This rational ideal became the foundation for empire, a one-world State and one-State world: “For of what other common political community will any one say that the whole human race are members?”(61)”

    • Dan Greene

      How do you explain the fact that David’s grandmother was Ruth, a Moabite?

      • Erik

        Ruth was an Israelite who lived in Moab. A few of the Israelite tribes lived in the plains of Moab. This is the deception. God doesn’t lie. If Ruth wasn’t an Israelite, then the line was not pure. For some reason I can’t post a link.

        • Samuel Hathaway

          Moab was the son of Lot, through an incestuous relationship with one of his daughters. Lot had another incestuous relationship with another daughter, which resulted in the birth of Ben-Ammi. Genesis 19

          • Alden

            I had no idea. Gross!!!! I’ll stick to the Christian part of the bible.

          • Alexandra1973

            Lot was also the nephew of Abraham.

            What happened was Lot’s daughters got him drunk so they could get pregnant by him. I’m guessing one-night stands for each one.

      • Samuel Hathaway

        Abraham, the first Jew. His nephew was Lot. Lot had an incestuous relationship with his daughter and she gave birth to Moab.
        Given the family lineage, Ruth probably wasn’t very racially different from Abraham. Not really much of a mongrel, like the hapless B. Hussein O.

        • Alden

          So Moab was a pure Jew. But Ruth was several generations of descent from Moab.

          • Alexandra1973

            Moab was the grandnephew of Abraham, so not a direct ancestor of the Jews.

      • Lion’s Mane

        Deuteronomy 23:3 reads: “An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD forever . . .”

        The Old Testament commanded the Ancient Israelites to exclude the Moabites from their nation. I explain, then, certain examples to the contrary as tolerated exceptions. These do not amount to endorsing the practice for everyone, as this would clearly nullify the commandments.

        It could be that certain exceptional persons were found in these nations who found favor with the LORD.

    • Awakened Saxon

      One Old Testament reference to people mixing together that does not even specifically mention race? That’s not exactly a handbook for racial separatism.

      • Erik

        Look into Christian Identity/Anglo-Saxon Isreal. You will find the answers. The bible is clear about being pure and not mixing your seed. Noah and his family survived because they were pure.

  • ejXinMI

    Ha. Force diversity into congregations…looking forward to forced inter-racial (and homosexual?) marriages. Awesome.

  • Erik

    Funny how they say when you feel like your in the majority. Whites are the minorities. Colors are the majorities on this planet.

  • Dan Greene

    It’s a paradox. In theory, no identity for a Christian should matter except Christian identity, but in practice, socializing and communing with those of common ethnicity/ethno-psychology seems to be critical. Best not to force things. That way lies disaster (as the experience of much of the Episcopal Church demonstrates.) Still, there should be some connection or willingness to interact to some extent between “brothers in Christ.” Or is that a meaningless phrase?

    • Robert Smith

      “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

      Make disciples of all nations, NOT integrate with all nations and peoples of the world. Make disciples, not babies. There is a famous painting of Queen Victoria giving an African ambassador a copy of the Bible when he ask her what the secret of England’s greatness was. Just like God gave man free will, the African has to choose to do right.

      • Dan Greene

        “Just like God gave man free will, the African has to choose to do right.’

        And if he does choose to do right, then what?

        • Robert Smith

          He’ll be slaughtered by his brothers for practicing witchcraft or “actin white.”

      • Reynardine

        “Whaddafuq, I can’t eat dis, get krunk fro dis, or get crazay all up in it, gnomesain? What good be dis?”

      • InAFreeCountry

        “Dere ain’t be enuff pitures in dis here book, Miz Victorya!”

        • Reynardine

          “Dis heres honkey peepuls toilet wipes sure is elemgant!”

      • Alexandra1973

        This reminds me of the account of Philip and the Ethiopian. The Ethiopian didn’t stick around in Judaea after he heard the gospel–he went back to Ethiopia and spread the word.

      • Awakened Saxon

        Robert Smith: Make disciples of all nations, NOT integrate with all nations and peoples of the world. Make disciples, not babies.

        The distinction is easily missed and has been missed by many Christians for centuries. Your two sentences above contain more condemnation of racial mixing than the entire Bible does.

        • Robert Smith

          Like I said earlier, it was understood by all. There was no reason to say water is wet.

          • Awakened Saxon

            At what point in history was it understood by all? Christians have been mixing for centuries. Why not say water is wet? Why does a book inspired by God himself – that gives commands that must be followed in order to avoid eternal damnation – use such vague language that is open to hundreds of interpretations? Where are the New Testament commands against racial mixing?

  • dd121

    If my Southern Baptist church had allowed blacks in, they would have fired the minister. Now they’d all get up and walk out.
    There isn’t much left of religion so it probably doesn’t matter. The major protestant denominations have long ago gone over to the liberal dark side when it comes to race. The Pope said he was thinking of joining Mexicans crossing the Rio Grande with illegals.

    Jesus!

  • libertarian1234

    “…..the Baptist leaders think it’s their duty to change their flocks.”

    It is their duty to step down, because this is only one more inane decision by them that reveals them as grotesque bigots who can only see PC.

    Too, did I mention they think by securing more warm bodies they’re going to enrich themselves further? Have they learned nothing about what a failure this multicultural mish mash of contentious tribes has turned out to be. Personally, I truly believe someone should encourage these leadership dupes to visit ISIS with their message.

    They’re disgusting. And they’re on the wrong side of history. The trend is toward secession and it’s coming on fast.

  • IstvanIN

    I could not tolerate the hootin and hollerin blacks love. Plus blacks in the congregation eventually means a black preacher.

    • LeonNJ

      At least they get their cardio for the week when they get wild in the aisle as the organ music plays.

    • InAFreeCountry

      It’s just like going to the movie theater with them yelling at the screen. The people in the movie can’t hear you, dummy!

  • Rhialto

    I think the Southern-Baptists are engaging in some PR, perhaps so the Liberals will be a bit nicer to them. These leaders know that the Southern Baptist style of Protestantism is not to the taste of Blacks.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      I’m tired of the Southern Baptists. They’re desperately trying to be trendy and hip, and modern. The sting of criticism for not being more outspoken against slavery has taken its toll.

      • Alden

        Aren’t they still against abortion especially for the babies of retarded teen blacks whose baby daddies are in prison?

  • Anglo

    I’ll always believe it is wrong to join what God separated. Unity in the spirit does not justify the mixing of the “natural” races on the basis that we are all one in Christ. All nature and human kind worships God in their own unique way.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      We do not know why God created all these different races and ethnicities. I do not presume to have the answer. We do not know why God preferred the Jews in the Old Testament. I’m not Jewish, but never did I ever feel that God liked me less or discriminated against me because I wasn’t one in the chosen circle.

      As I have said before, for His own sovereign reasons and purposes, God created all these races and ethnicities in the world. And it is not up to puny, little, ignorant man to blur those lines of distinction… and it’s a sin to even pursue it.

      • InAFreeCountry

        Maybe it’s like in Job.

      • Lion’s Mane

        Please listen on YouTube to John Piper: Can a white woman marry a black man? This is what the leaders are teaching today. There are plenty of other recorded statements from today’s leading theologians that reflect this line of reasoning. According to your own statement (and I agree), John Piper and the others are sinning in pursuing this.

      • Alexandra1973

        God does have a chosen people (the Jews). That’s His prerogative.

        Salvation was offered to the Gentiles when the Jews rejected their Messiah (stoning of Stephen) to provoke them to jealousy. It’s in Romans 11.

        During the Tribulation the Jews will be dealt with–that is why it’s referred to as the time of Jacob’s trouble.

        The purpose of different races, languages, etc., was to prevent (or more like slow down) a “new world order.” This way things happen on God’s timetable and not man’s.

  • listenupbub

    If the church had blacks, the black kids would be doing everything in their power to have sex with all the pretty, nice white girls. It would be a mess.

  • Awakened Saxon

    ‘When it comes to race, our churches must reflect the united kingdom of Christ more than the divided states of America.”

    You would think they would be more interested in filling the emptying pews than in embarking on social experiments. Oh, well. The more they keep up with this nonsense, the fewer people take these twerps seriously enough to spend Sundays listening to their rants.

  • InAFreeCountry

    Maybe we could bus white people to a black church and then take it over.

  • Lion’s Mane

    First the blacks come and integration begins. Then the blacks outnumber the whites. Then the blacks replace the leadership with their own people. In the end, the place is just another black church. This is a microcosm of integration itself. Diversity, inside and outside of church, means replacing whites and driving them into extinction.

  • Jeff

    This is an interesting topic with some very insightful commentary. I would have to think that churches segregate of their own accord for natural reasons. I would imagine that peer involvement with others who are of the same background as you makes it easier to translate the Gospel into your own life. Certainly God Himself established the races for reasons of His own. It makes sense that true integration is a matter He doesn’t trust us with and will take care of it Himself on the other side of the grave.

    • Lion’s Mane

      ‘God Himself established the races for reasons of His own.’ Exactly! But modern ‘Christians’ prefer to think that there are no longer any reasons for this — they’ve all disappeared! Now we can pretend that the races and nations were never created, so far as today’s world is concerned. Race and nation have ceased to have meaning for the modern Christian.

  • Lion’s Mane

    The difference between this world and the next is so simple in this matter: Here we have CARNAL -a.k.a. ‘reproductive’ — relations, and there we will have none. The biology that we have on Earth will not exist ‘on the other side.’ There is neither marriage nor giving in marriage there. Carnal desires will not be present at all in the life to come.

  • bv

    Mrs. Naomi Schaefer Riley please occupy yourself with your synagogues and we’ll concern ourselves with OUR churches. Don’t interfere.

    • Guest

      The ‘mainstream’ popular media have been interfering for the past 50+ years. The racial composition of a religious organization should be decided by the organization and protected under religious liberty. The popular media have used bullying tactics to force religious universities and local churches alike to integrate — even when these groups had biblical beliefs favoring segregation.

  • Born_In_The_Pineywoods

    Not at MY church.

  • LackawannaErie

    Remember, the SBC is now in favor of amnesty for illegals.

    • Alden

      They run charity trips to Haiti and bring back babies to adopt. Churches don’t get their money from donations any more. They get it from government grants for their non profit do gooder organizations taking care of minorities.

  • Alucard_the_last

    Oh, I know the answer. The government should force us to go to another church based on the color of OUR skin (white).

  • Who Me?

    Utter filth, presented in such smooth, urbane, educated tones of “Biblical reason”. This is stuff to stay away from!

  • Alden

    I thought people go to church to worship God not to worry about the race of the other people at the service. Churches are tax exempt. Maybe like the colleges the Churches will soon be under affirmative action orders to keep their tax exempt status.

  • Alden

    With almost all black men marriage is not a consideration; nor is romance, friendship or any kind of relationship other than wham bang won’t bother to thank you maa’m.