City’s New Rules Make It Tough to Discipline Unruly Students

Aaron Short, New York Post, February 14, 2015

It’s going to be a lot harder to suspend unruly students under the first overhaul of the public-school disciplinary code announced Friday by the de Blasio administration.

No longer will inappropriate clothes, profanity and insubordination earn students an automatic boot from class.

Principals will have to get permission from the Department of Education run by Chancellor Carmen Fariña before kicking out kids who talk back to teachers.

Superintendents’ suspensions for “minor physical altercations” are being eliminated entirely.

Cops and school safety officers will need a supervisor’s permission to handcuff a kid under 12, except in emergency situations.

And in a pilot project at five Bronx schools, disruptive kids will get “warning cards” instead of summonses returnable in court.

Mayor de Blasio, who vowed to reduce unnecessary suspensions and arrests when he ran for City Hall, said the new policies would “treat students of every background with dignity.”

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Advocates were demanding reforms, pointing out that 89 percent of suspensions are handed out to black and Hispanic students, even though they comprise only 70 percent of the system.

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There were 4,000 fewer suspensions in the first six months of de Blasio’s tenure in 2014, compared with the same period in 2013.

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  • AmericanCitizen

    Mayor de Blasio, who vowed to reduce unnecessary suspensions and arrests when he ran for City Hall, said the new policies would “treat students of every background with dignity.”

    Too bad no one told DeBlasio that an individual is supposed to earn respect and dignity by acting like a civilized member of society. Just another way to officially excuse and ignore bad black behavior.

    • Nancy

      Notice he didn’t say, “Treat every teacher (and other adults in authority) with dignity”. Since, in his mind, they don’t count.

      • SentryattheGate

        Who is going to want to be a teacher? Already ~30% of teachers quit within their first 5 years, is what I’ve heard.

        • evilsandmich

          The problem with a union job like that (and I can be corrected) is that if you stay too long then you’re tenured and no one else will hire you and that means that you’re stuck at the ghetto swamp that you started at.

    • Race War Provisions

      He married an ugly woman, he’s an uncle tom for another day

  • Mack0

    Next step is to make this apply to law. The liberals have lost all faith black people can control themselves.

    • Georgia Boy

      If this quota-based punishment truly goes through and white kids start getting the wrong end of the increased bullying and anarcho-tyrrany, it will just make whites all the more intent on fleeing mixed schools and neighborhoods. Unintended consequences and all that.

      • Speedy Steve

        With no schooling at all, Whites will still be smarter than educated blacks.

        • Charles Martel

          educated blacks where graded on a curve, the proper word is credentialed

  • Easyrhino

    Apparently it’s far better to make school hell for everyone rather than be accused of racism for expelling the crazies!

    Good thinking!

  • Advocates were demanding reforms, pointing out that 89 percent of suspensions are handed out to black and Hispanic students, even though they comprise only 70 percent of the system.

    89% — That’s about the percent of those arrested for murder in that same city that are black and Hispanic.

    Actually, this disparity isn’t that bad, at least compared to all the other disparities they’re known for, if they’re 89% of suspensions and “only” 70% (only?) of the students. That’s probably not outside the rage of pure statistical insignificance.

    • APaige

      Exactly what I thought. There is already a push to not suspend Blacks and Hispanics.

      • If the system was fair, with NYCDE being 70% NAM, the suspensions would be even more than 89% NAM.

        • Reverend Bacon

          Yeah, that’s what I thought too. If a school is 70% black and Hispanic, I’d predict that the suspensions would be over 95%. Affirmative Action for delinquents is clearly in place already.

          • CofCC today: San Francisco Unified School District: Blacks are 8% of all students overall but 73% of all students arrested.

          • Reverend Bacon

            Yes- which tells us, if we do the math, that any given black is about 30x more likely to be arrested than a non-black, which even includes hispanics. That sounds a bit high. But this is behavior that rises (or falls!) to the level of an arrest, not just a suspension. Remember, the high number of Asians (who tend to be better behaved than whites) is probably skewing it a bit.

        • Charles Martel

          The top NYC public school has only 2.7% black + Hispanic combined.

      • Cid Campeador

        What happens if Blacks and Hispanics fight/ assault each other?

        • Win/win for everyone?

          • Reverend Bacon

            An oldie but a goodie. Well-timed!

          • It’s tough, with so many quick witted whites who post here, you’ve really got to be on the ball to get the witty retorts out first.

            And alas, Im usually much too slow.

  • MekongDelta69

    If ‘you’ (meaning not only AmRen readers – but everybody), really knew how bad De Blackio is, you’d be amazed.

    And I don’t just mean everything that’s public, e.g.:
    http://www[dot]discoverthenetworks[dot]org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2592

    • Sick of it

      I don’t get it. So far it just sounds like John Engelman.

  • Usually Much Calmer

    Public schools will get worse and even more white New York parents will opt their children out and public schools will further get worse and these people will shake their heads in confusion.

    • Steve_in_Vermont

      We are already redefining definitions for “education”, “graduation”, “appropriate behavior” and “acting out”. As George Orwell said in “1984” words can mean anything, whatever you want them to. Perhaps, as an example, what was once called “assaulting” will now be known as an “alternative means of conflict resolution”. Or swearing will be “an alternative verbal expression of disagreement”.

      • Nancy

        Lord knows that “collegiate debate” now means “long string of unintelligible, repetitive, meaningless jibber jabber”. (See: Towson Debate Team)

      • Orwell wrote that in 1948, but Lewis Carroll beat him to the punch in 1872, with “Through the Looking Glass”:

        Humpty Dumpty: “When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”

        Alice: “The question is whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

        Humpty Dumpty: “The question is which is to be master – that’s all.”

  • Johnny

    Any White teacher who stays should have their head examined. Ah, when some bantu clubs them, they will, via x-ray.

  • David Ashton

    In Britain the unruly Left rules the student roost, but “peace” is coming: no-one must say or do anything that anyone else considers “offensive”. So the universities and schools become a place of “safety” i.e. silence for everyone with a mind and a mouth, while the PC “teaching” carries on more or less unopposed. They create cultural desert and call it social peace.

    • SentryattheGate

      That’s social justice for you!

  • Truthseeker

    Empowering the worst elements. Great.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    As if it isn’t hard enough in classrooms already.

    Discipline is absolutely critical in a classroom.

    This new policy means disinterested, arrogant, loud-mouthed thugs will hold entire classrooms hostage to their disruptions and make learning impossible for everyone else.

    Now, these thugs will be subjected to no consequences and allowed to take over entire schools.

    This robs others of their education, and now b/c of morons like deblasio with their PC agenda, it will be much much harder to penalize these criminals.

    Violence against teachers is about to get a whole lot worse:

    “Teachers are Afraid of Black Mob Violence at School”

    https //www youtube com/watch?v=ixgdygvVxaA&list=PLZFSBAtAmGqWxuvYqjdVCDBgbF2T15V6y&index=8

    • White parents and white teachers flee in droves to the suburbs in 3…2…1…

    • Jeff

      This is actually wonderful. Deblasio is ringing the death knell for the public school system in new york. How long can the school system possibly endure the upcoming anarchy? The collapse is nigh and the backlash will be glorious. Book it.

  • dd121

    Anarchy is the Democrat idea of equal education for all. I happily would let them own this position.

    • The intelligent creative and self-disciplined function far better under anarchy, as we create pockets of local order. The Cultural Marxists don’t want that, which brings us to “Anarcho-Tyranny” described by the late Sam Francis.

  • De Doc

    Were I a teacher there, I’d be wearing a Kevlar vest every day.

    • If I was a teacher there, I would update my resume and start mailing copies to other school districts.

      • De Doc

        That too!

        Truth be told, you’d have to be an idealistic, masochistic nut with a deathwish to want to teach in any of these urban setting hellholes.

    • IBWHITE

      “Were I a teacher there, I’d be wearing a Kevlar vest every day.”
      And a “no foul cup” for the men.

  • notyranny

    Time to bring in Snake Pliskin

  • JohnEngelman

    Mayor de Blasio, and those who agree with him, should work as substitute teachers for awhile. That will likely change their beliefs on the subject.

  • Robert Smith

    Some people apparently don’t know the difference between bad behavior and black behavior.

    • LIBERTYSINCURSION

      There’s a difference?

  • 4321realist

    “Advocates were demanding reforms, pointing out that 89 percent of suspensions are handed out to black and Hispanic students, even though they comprise only 70 percent of the system.”

    I’m betting that the Hispanic students constitute a slight percentage of that 89% with blacks making up the bulk of it.

    The white weenies and the black leadership just love to include blacks in with “people of color” rather than admitting that no other group does as badly as blacks in both behavior and learning, which, if admitted to, would highlight that blacks are standing alone.

    Any whites still sending their kids to school with these primitives should be prosecuted for child abuse.

    New York City is on the cusp of imploding. Watch the crime and violence increase and get out-of-hand once again, and the murder rate rise.

  • A Freespeechzone

    This policy will only embolden more violence and classroom disruptions since there are no consequences, other than the students there for an education being sacrificed in the name of ‘fairness’.

    To fools like de Blasio, social justice trumps everything—even when it emboldens bad behavior.

    • Evidently de Blackio doesn’t think that kids who are actually there to learn something are entitled to be treated with dignity. Instead, “justice” demands they be forced into an unsafe, chaotic environment 30 hours a week.

  • Reverend Bacon

    Many of us saw this coming. The only way to achieve “equality of outcome” in school discipline is to have different standards for “students of every background.”

    While I have regretfully come to the conclusion that education of “students of every background” is an impossible task, this won’t make it any easier, or any more fun, to be a teacher. Especially in communities that contain “students of every background.”

    • Jeff

      I’m closing in on 50 years old and have raised 4 kids. 3 of them are now adults. I made very little use of the public school system. Private Christian schools, home schooling, and other alternative educational systems. My daughter are all married or engaged, living independently, well adjusted, conservative in in nature and politics. No pregnancies, drug or alcohol issues. My son is 13 and is now home schooled. If there are any young parents on this site, I urge you to keep the State away from your kids. You will do a better job seeing to their education without the governments help.

  • Speedy Steve

    minor physical altercations = bullying and micro-aggression.

    • Diana Moon Glampers

      Minor physical altercations = any attack that doesn’t require an ambulance

  • 李冠毅

    Cops and school safety officers will need permission to HANDCUFF A KID UNDER 12? You mean this is currently a regular occurrence in Bronx? If this were to happen anywhere else, it would be headlines for weeks.

    • I guess you aren’t familiar with blacks and hispanics when they are the majority.

      • 李冠毅

        Honestly, I have never met one before, other than on TV.

        • Fair enough. And it makes sense how such a thing as handcuffing chikdren would seem outrageous to you, if you have no personal experience with them.

          In regards to another response where you said, and im paraphrasing here “judge everyone as an individual, and not as a group” things like this are where that admittedly “fair” viewpoint fall flat. Black and hispanic children, at young ages, are perfectly capable of killing, raping, brutally beating and robbing others, and those others are often other children, white, asian, and much smaller at the same age.

          If you are ever around black children for any length of time, and i imagine the teachers here can confirm this, you will see that aside from acting generally rowdy, loud and obnoxious, they can turn from disruptive, but harmless, to suddenly pummeling another child with fists and feet till theyre lying bloodied on the floor, all in a flash.

          If you’ve seen this behavior in person, as i have, on more than one occasion, you will come to the understanding that they are animals … creatures more basic and primal than other races, unstable and above all, dangerous.

          If you knew this, on a personal level, you would not give them the benefit of the doubt, especially if you, yourself, have children who would be put at risk of physical harm by practicing the MLK “content of their character” nonsense.

          You have never met one, so my words can only do so much to convince you. I firmly believe that to truly understand them, you must see them in person, see just what they’re not inly capable of, but prone to do…

          A last point, something to think about, and its really not that farfetched, is think of a known dangerous animal in your country, wherever that may be, a tiger, a bear, a scorpion, a cobra, etc. These creatures dont actively seek out humans, they dont hunt us, but you know they are dangerous if YOU seek them out, maybe 9 times out of ten, a lot of these creatures will actually turn tail and run, depending on the situation. And so you avoid them, because the percentage chance of an interaction with a tiger leading to your death is too high to risk.

          And this is so with the negro, with one major difference, they DO hunt you. They hunt your wallet, or your body for sexual gratification, or your life because “you be rayciss”. Not every single one of them, but enough that if you were truly aware of their true nature, you would steer clear of them whenever possible, you would teach your children to stay as far away as possible, to not allow them to get close, just like with a dangerous animal.

          Except you’re not allowed to acknowledge what they really are, none of us are … because that would be racist.

  • Roninf9

    Mayor de Blasio, who vowed to reduce unnecessary suspensions and arrests
    when he ran for City Hall, said the new policies would “treat students
    of every background with dignity.”

    I would contend that all the suspensions and arrests were necessary and that many, many more that were necessary were not carried out. I would also say that a lot of these “students” don’t deserve dignity due to their own undignified behavior.

    Doesn’t de Blasio know the Golden Rule? Treat others as you want to be treated. These “kids” have shown us how they want to be treated. Giving them a free pass is not what they want and will only engender more hostility and disrespect.

  • Raymond Kidwell

    This is basically the “culture shock” that i have had to endure most of my life. Group behavior tends to be a product of the average of the group. As average intelligence and civility decrease, what is considered “normal” goes down as well. People who were average in the 1950s are now geniuses compared to the normal population.

  • mikefromwichita

    Yeah…………………expect teachers to start the same sort of slowdown as the cops are conducting.

  • namberak

    ‘… treat students of every background with dignity…’ Not worthy of respect, teachers, apparently, as they’ll be the primary brunt of this idiocy. And I’m sure DeBlasio will be sending his kids to NYC public schools right? I’d recommend getting a team of videographers into those schools ASAP. They can start shooting an updated, NYC version of ‘The Wire.’

  • IBWHITE

    Now let’s hear from the teachers who are affected by this nonsense.

    • We won’t for a while, as they will all be at their therapists’, having their prescriptions strengthened.

    • Charles Martel

      I would like to offer a welcome to any fresh race realist NYC teachers that are now joining us.

  • “Advocates were demanding reforms, pointing out that 89 percent of suspensions are handed out to black and Hispanic students, even though they comprise only 70 percent of the system.” One answer could be a far-reaching conspiracy, in which white people everywhere conspire to keep minorities down. Or, perhaps Black and Hispanic students just behave worse than white students. Occam’s Razor.

  • maxsnafu

    …reason No. 3472 why you should NOT send your children to public schools.

  • theallseeingmaster .

    Enrollment in private school and home schooling is going to soar. The net result is going to be less state money; parents want their children safe and educated but not in a zoo full of feral beasts.

  • John Smith

    Animals running the zoo. Pretty soon they’ll turn our justice system into the same thing and Willie Horton will become the rule, not the exception.