The Coming College Decline

Ronald Brownstein, National Journal, January 14, 2015

The best way to understand the stakes in President Obama’s proposal to massively expand access to community college is to consider a stark forecast from prominent demographer William Frey.

Frey has calculated that if the U.S. does not improve its college completion rates for young people, the share of Americans holding at least a four-year degree will start to decline as soon as 2020. After that, his model forecasts that the share of college-educated Americans will not climb back to its level in 2015 (just under one-third) at least through 2050.

That’s an almost unprecedented prospect for the American economy: The percentage of Americans holding at least a four-year degree has increased steadily since at least 1940, according to the Census Bureau. It’s also an ominous prospect in an international economic competition increasingly centered on knowledge and innovation.

The reason the U.S. faces the risk of declining educational achievement is its failure to sufficiently respond to the profound demographic change reshaping society. The current school year marks the first time in American history when a majority of all K-12 public school students nationwide are minorities. Minority students already comprise nearly two-fifths of high-school graduates and will reach about half by 2023, the Education Department projects.

This cresting wave of diversity is reaching onto college campuses. The minority share of the entering class at two- and four-year colleges has increased from about one-fourth in 1995 to nearly two-fifths now. But completion rates for African-American and Hispanic students who start college remain considerably lower than for whites (or Asian-Americans). Because those black and Hispanic students make up an increasing share of the college pipeline, it is their high attrition rate that creates the risk that the nation’s overall share of college graduates will shift into reverse.

That will quickly affect employers, because the Census Bureau has projected that through 2030 the number of working-age whites will fall by 15 million. All of the growth in the workforce through then will come from Hispanics, Asian Americans, and African-Americans (in that order). Frey projects that by 2030 minorities will become a majority of all young (18-29) adults. “The fact that the labor force will continue to ‘brown’ from the younger ages on upwards means that a great deal of attention must be paid to increasing minority postsecondary education so that the skill levels of our entire workforce stays competitive,” says Frey, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and author of the insightful recent book Diversity Explosion.

That’s where the sweeping plan Obama announced last week fits in. Obama proposed to spend $60 billion over 10 years to ensure that all students can complete community college at no cost. Students would need to maintain a grade-point average of at least 2.5 and complete their degree in three years or less. Community colleges would need to demonstrate that their courses either facilitate transfer to four-year institutions or instill occupational skills that lead to postcollege employment. States would need to contribute one-fourth of the cost. But, fully implemented, the plan could both broaden access for students and propel overdue institutional improvement at community colleges across the country. “This is about reform in community colleges as well as increasing access,” says Cecilia Munoz, Obama’s chief domestic policy adviser.

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Obama’s plan represents the beginning of a long conversation, as it’s unlikely to pass a Republican Congress. And it would work only if it genuinely demands improvement from community colleges, which admittedly face great challenges, but too often perform inadequately. {snip}

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  • Only a scant few blacks/Hispanics take a shine to college.
    Nothing will change that – not even wealth transfer.

    • walt

      So then college will have to change so that a B.A. is equivalent to a kindergarten diploma. Problem solved.

    • MooTieFighter

      It’s o.k., they don’t have to do well in college. Look at the recent med school admission advantage for blacks, that was recently published here on AMREN.

    • ElComadreja

      Of those “Hispanics” that do most are Caucasian.

    • Raymond Kidwell

      They have already been doing everything possible to push white males out of community colleges. They have lowered standards and made them far less G loaded. They have amped up minority recruiting programs and retention programs, so you have groups at the college meant to specifically help black males stay in college etc. Then they have resorted to outright discriminating against white males and breaking federal civil rights laws in the process. To some extent or the other this is happening all across the country.

      What bothers me is they have turned most of these programs into vocational school. They take away the more g loaded classes and replace them with vocational training or busy work so that dumb people can pass. It actually makes it more of a challenge for high I.Q. people in many ways, who really get tired of 12 hours a day of monotonous busy work in order to graduate.

      it’s like if you have an I.Q. above 110 and you aren’t rich, there is no place for you in society. This also leads to all kinds of failure and poverty on every level. Anytime I deal with a business, its completely mismanaged so the service sucks. But then working for them also sucks. Huge poverty created and inefficiency in the system due to low I.Q.s. Incompetent police officers, fire fighters, school teachers etc. everywhere as well. It’s planet of the apes.

      That’s why I’m focused on finding a handful of competent people and just try to create our own little mini society and survive this.

      • Anglokraut

        What are you looking for in your “band of brothers”? Strongmen, warriors, scholars, farmers, artists?

        • Raymond Kidwell

          Anybody that can act reasonably civilized and who shares the same underlying values. I have established a minimal standard of 108 I.Q. (possibly higher in times when we have less of a need to recruit), altruistic, good will towards others (measured through interaction and also criminal history), and to be rational. Belief wise the person must believe that intelligence is real, there are differences between people, that we can reasonably measure those differences (in regards to civility, intelligence etc.). That’s about it. Then we have a common culture we study, but not necessary to agree with every point, just need some common ground.

          The community itself is about friendship and community primarily but will also focus on self betterment, information sharing and working on real projects (such as collaborative projects to make money). Tribalism and raising families is an aspect. We try to help each other reach our personal goals (business ownership, college education etc.). I am dirt poor myself at the moment, so slowly working on putting together business cards and other things and when the time is right I’ll advertise in public for it. I have the website, books, videos etc. about finished now.

          • Anglokraut

            Well, if I don’t get accepted into university this fall, perhaps I will give you a call. There’s no real reason to stay where I am besides that it’s a comfortable rut.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            You can collaborate over distance as well. I don’t have much tying me down either other than the fact that I have no money. You can get a bachelor degree in a community college if you are willing to relocate.

            you can post in my online forum if you don’t mind being the only one. I’ll probably get more people later if you are willing to wait in terms of years.

          • Anglokraut

            I have an Associate’s Degree, but I’m trying to transfer into a university in order to complete a Bachelor’s Degree.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            You can do that. I went to college in Florida because they have low tuition and four year degrees through community college. You don’t need to be accepted. All you need is one year in state residence to get in state tuition then sign up and go. I was going for teaching. They also have bachelor in business management, nursing and maybe some others. They also work closely with Florida Gulf Coast University which is a regular university. And like if you take the courses to become a science teacher its also a degree in biology so you could work as a biologist as well with that degree. I dropped it and switched to language arts because the General Chemistry class was too hard for me. I took intro to chem one and two in a different college That may have been part of the problem. Money wise I would recomend to focusing on owning businesses and real estate investments.

          • Anglokraut

            I followed your Discuss profile to Facebook, and sent you a message there. It is probably in your “other” folder.

    • Yancy Derringer

      “Community colleges would need to PRETEND TO demonstrate that their courses either facilitate transfer to four-year institutions or instill occupational skills that lead to postcollege employment.”

  • AmericanCitizen

    Unfortunately this younger generation (white, black, brown, tan, you name it) seems to be comprised of ADD sheeple who can barely concentrate on a tweet or a text. Anything requiring a modicum of concentration or insight seems to be anathema to anyone under 30 years old. Is it surprising that less and less of them have the dedication, drive and concentration to spend four years learning?

    • And learning what? What is the percentage of grads with grievance degrees and other borderline useless degrees?

      • I agree. College is a scam – and an expensive one at that! Unless one is pursuing a degree in one of the hard sciences, it’s mostly a waste of time.

        I’ve noticed over the decades that those who graduate with a college degree are not necessarily smarter, well-read or intellectually well-rounded. They know enough to have crammed for an exam and seemingly haven’t retained a damn thing afterwards. Most of them have been taught WHAT to think and not HOW to think.

        • SentryattheGate

          Many, if not most, of students entering community college are in need of remedial courses, due to the student himself or because of the dumbed down schools. Hispanics and blacks are the lowest-performing students. No wonder it is they that have such low completion rates. And they are the reason Nerobama is pushing for free pre-K, starting at age 3! Idiocracy USA!

        • Julius Caesar

          I’m attending Illinois State University, and I told my parents from the start that the ONLY reason I’m doing this is for you. My father never finished high school, though he has become very successful nevertheless, and my mother went to college for a year or two but dropped out because she had her first kid. So having me going to college is their way of living out their lives through me. We’ve come to a mutual understanding of my thoughts on college being a complete waste, but they still insist I go. One positive about my parents is that both are in complete agreement on my views regarding just about everything (the same views most on AmRen share).

          • Raymond Kidwell

            But one of the best things about college is you generally meet normal well adjusted people of normal intelligence. Out here in the real world most working class people are complete retards with various mental defects, criminal inclinations, drug addictions etc. There are so many advantages to college that go beyond merely how much money you will make at a job. You’ll probably make better friends and date better quality people.

            As medical, mental, emotional and psychological defects continue to spread in the population you have to understand the average citizen is an ADD down syndrome glue sniffing criminal. This includes many business owners and bosses you will be working for. The college degree weeds out at least some of the worst cases.

          • com contrarian

            This is one of the social catch 22s of being a reasonably bright, civilised conservative person in a liberal mulit-cultural society. You feel a misfit hanging around with the annoying SWPLs and you also feel a misfit hanging around with the increasingly rough, crass working class. You might better money working in a trade, but you can take a social status dive and can end up a bitter misfit.

    • pcmustgo

      Yup, quite a few smart whites even blow away their brains on reality tv, bs , dull, TV shows, celebrity crap, and then they get their “news” from John Stewart.

      • richard garyson

        TV, video games, graphic novels, and legos are my escape routes from reality. One can only take so much news.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        I get my news from John Stewart. It’s more intellectual than fox news you have to admit. Although I was rooting for O’reilly when they debated white privilege.

    • ElComadreja

      Many of them have been raised on Ritalin and Adderall. Their brains must be mush.

  • TomIron361

    The point is I think that college has just priced itself out of the market. The best people have already discovered they don’t need college. The middle level people are starting to wake up and in the not too distant future, the dumbest of people will figure out college is a scam.

  • anony

    It would be a serious discussion if college actually “educated” people these days.

    What good does it do society if a “college” degree means nothing and contributes nothing of value to the society?

    • Most people in our society are told all the benefits about going to college, but how many of us have been told why college is not necessarily a good thing? Most of us have never heard the case AGAINST going to college and, instead, pursuing a trade school or self-education. Believe me, it’s a lot less expensive!

      • WR_the_realist

        There’s still a case for college if you want to be an engineer, a scientist, or a doctor. For just about anything else save your money — read the relevant books, and go to a proper trade school if needed.

        • Batterytrain

          Accounting?

        • Yes, I agree because those are in the hard sciences (see my earlier comment). I definitely would want people that are pursuing a career as a physician, engineer or a scientist to have a full, formal college degree and even an advanced one at that! But this doesn’t take away from the fact that a very large majority of college degrees are utterly worthless.

        • Raymond Kidwell

          If you look at a lot of jobs they require a degree. If you want to go into the military as an officer you need a degree. FBI- degree. CIA- degree. To a lesser extent even some civilian jobs would like you to be educated. Some of the better management jobs for example. It’s just a way to weed out some of the dumbest people and ensure a certain baseline level of competency (you know people that can articulate themselves properly). You can have a degree in anything to apply for these jobs. Although I guess with the CIA and stuff unless you have a high demand skill, then you will need to impress them with your GPA and probably not impress much with a liberal arts degree. But many of the other jobs I don’t think it’s that important.

          I think those would be good career fields. Like get a bachelor degree then enroll in the army as an officer.

          • WR_the_realist

            The universal degree requirement came about as a result of court rulings that businesses and government organizations can not hire on the basis of IQ tests. So they use a college degree as a crude proxy. A test that requires a few hundred dollars to administer at most was replaced by a requirement that the applicant pay $80,000 in tuition and other college expenses. And our universities filled up with people who want to punch a ticket rather than get an education.

      • SentryattheGate

        The average age of those in the trades is ~54! Many trades will employ someone as a paid apprentice, where he learns on the job (with no college debt). And people need heating, air conditioning, electricity, cars as opposed to gender studies, popular culture and jazz studies.

        • TomIron361

          Yes, but do you know how hard it is to find a young man who wants to put his hand to work?

          • Sick of it

            Ironically, my father is a jack of all trades and I was desperate to learn the things that he knew when I was younger. He refused to teach me, saying he did not want me to work a manual labor job like him. I still don’t see how that lack of knowledge is beneficial to me (as Michael has proven, a guy can do both kinds of work).

        • ElComadreja

          Well they’re making a damn good try at pushing whites out of the trades too. Had any home renovations done lately?

  • Mary

    This country is poised for an overall decline in every conceivable way. The concern over who possesses an overpriced, increasingly meaningless degree is far from the point. We are set to lose our competitive position regardless (as well as most of the things that we value much more.)

    • Rhialto

      Brenda Walker, VDare contributor, has pointed out the the number of jobs / population is also predicted to decline in the next few decades due to automation. These are not just manufacturing jobs, which have been heavily impacted, but law, medicine, administrative, truck drivers, and other occupations at one time considered immune to automation. She discussed this as refuting the arguments for massive immigration to prevent “population shrinkage”, but I think it also will reduce the need for useless college degrees, as there will be no shortage of qualified people to fill the available jobs.

      • UncleSham

        Every new innovation creates new opportunities. People have been predicting that automation is about to leave the majority of people jobless for the last 200 years, but it never happens. The types of skills people need will change, but their is always more work to be done.

        • Raymond Kidwell

          For the first time in history this trend has reversed. Automation is no longer opening up more jobs than it destroys. It’s hard to predict the future, but we have begun to max out the number of people that can flip burgers or mow grass for a living. Most of which is done by immigrants now anyway.

          Most new jobs created by automation have been in tourism, entertainment, service industries etc. There may be a few that come about in regards to robotics or management or whatever, but it’s not in proportion to what was lost.

  • Luca

    Pushing and pampering minorities through college just so they can get an Affirmative Action degree in Liberal Arts majoring in African American or Hispanic studies. Then when they get out and find the marketplace not needing these “skills” they will become unemployed and disgruntled then join the “Occupy” movement and blame everything on the rich Whites who ironically funded them all in the first place.

  • TheMaskedUnit

    Maybe it’s time to stop pretending …

    • Usually Much Calmer

      Maybe it’s time to stop biting our tongues.

  • IstvanIN

    Our decline is inevitable because:

    1) We import low-IQ people.
    2) We encourage the breeding of low IQ people.
    3) We discourage high IQ people, especially women, from breeding.
    4) We downgrade standards to make it appear the low IQ are equal to the normal and high IQ people. (Liberal arts college graduates today are about as well educated as HS graduates of 1960).
    5) We hide our heads in the sand and pretend everyone is equal.

    • Sick of it

      We actually SUBSIDIZE the breeding of low IQ people.

      • IstvanIN

        Yup, we encourage through welfare.

        • Usually Much Calmer

          Which is cruel.

          I guess if you think that life begins at conception or see ‘God’s will’ on the world then I can’t discuss this with you.

          But we have cities full of human beings who feel that they are under siege because they and their environment are not matched at all. And if they were never born, they would never suffer this disjoint. And where is the loss? Mammas want babies, I guess, but do they want to cry on TV to stupid reporters when junior gets shot for resisting arrest? Does that make them ‘happy’? In their sense or ours? My guess is no. A friend of mine told me there was a Mencken quote (I’ve not found it) about how the worst thing you can do for your children is to give them an easy life. This is the trap of self-made men who spawn the phrase ‘rags to riches and back again in three generations’. And it is the trap of the White Man’s Burden, too. Jason Riley is right: just leave these people alone, having good intentions does nothing to change the fact that you don’t know what you are doing. And I think Tim Wise a sadist to mess with the heads of innocents (In this case, yes! Innocents!) as though it were a game to him.

          Sorry to hijack this thread but I feel strongly about welfare. It’s a waste, yes, but we’re still a rich country, all things considered. It is unconscionably cruel to any reasonable person who understands it’s effects. It’s like creepy Nazis in a bad movie that breed blind legless puppies and then nurse them every day just to watch in fascination as the dogs suffer.

          Phew. Again, sorry. I feel very strongly that welfare is the devil in fake wings.

          • IstvanIN

            Certainly we have free will which is why we make so many bone-headed mistakes, such as welfare. When it comes to able-bodied men and women:
            give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime
            Allowing blacks to breed indiscriminately on our dime, with no responsibility for themselves, has helped no one.

          • SentryattheGate

            Well, maybe the Demoncat party?

  • superlloyd

    More dumbing down of higher education to accommodate the low IQ demographics, in store. Even, if these blacks and hispanics get their dumbed down degrees it will mean nothing in terms of maintaining economic competitiveness. Tyrone’s degree in African Studies is not going to cause any sleepless nights for the Chinese. This is mere window dressing that will ensure America’s decline into third world status. That guy Frey is an idiot who needs to be read the Bell Curve until he fully understands its implications.

    • pcmustgo

      I had a non-white friend who can barely spell and writes the way she speaks, in a Caribbean patois. I was surprised when I found out she got a 4 year degree in pre-law, from where, god knows where… ha, ha. . She makes like $10 an hour filing and is basically the working poor. And she randomly got all angry at me, like “I worked very hard for my college degree!”… well, too bad, you’re still a low iQ dumbbell mental midget. Made me realize more and more how these non-whites are jealous, what an inferiority complex many must have. I’ve had this happen with Blacks (and Mulattos) before- random outbursts of “You think you’re better than me because you’re white!” (this one wasn’t directed at me, but another white girl in a movie theater. “You’re not the only smart person in the world”. “You think you’re smarter because of X– elite college you went to! My IQ is sky-high!” (yes, I actually had one black tell me this, and no, I had never discussed anything racial or IQ with her. I’m always hearing non-whites online stereotype whites, saying “Whites think they’re better/nicer than everyone else”. As if that’s an acceptable justifcation to be rude and hostile towards us.

      • Batterytrain

        What was your experience with Asians?

        • Sick of it

          They can be very condescending but, to be honest, they are much easier to get along with than blacks, many Hispanics, white liberals, etc.

  • phorning

    The most sensible solution would be to improve K-12 education standards and discourage businesses from requiring a college degree for jobs that don’t need one. That doesn’t help college enrollment so it won’t even be considered.

  • JohnEngelman

    In order to benefit from a college education one probably needs an IQ of at least 115. That only includes the upper one third of the U.S. population. Many even in the upper one third get useless degrees from colleges and universities without academic reputations in the liberal arts and social sciences. They could do the U.S. economy more good by going to trade schools and becoming skilled blue collar workers.

    Those who love the liberal arts and social sciences, like I do, can study them for free in public libraries.

    • IstvanIN

      I see nothing wrong with a liberal arts degree as long as it is rigorous. We need English teachers, foreign language teachers, historians of various stripes and economists. Bachelor degrees in Woman’s, Afro/Caribbean/Black and gay studies are worthless. If someone wants to concentrate in those areas it should be done in a graduate program.

      • WR_the_realist

        It is certainly possible to have a rigorous humanities department, emphasizing great literature and philosophy, including learning Latin and Greek so you can read important works in the original, foreign languages, and history. This isn’t stuff you learn to do a job, it’s what you do do broaden you understanding of life and civilization. But universities have tossed that all out, worshiping the demon god of diversity instead.

        • redpill99

          career prospects

      • LiberalismFailed

        I think he’s right though, but not for the reasons I think he’s alluding to. The future America will have such a shortage of capable “brain trust” that whites will need to be the engineers, scientists, doctors, business class, etc. if we’re going to have any hope of maintaining a semblance of a civilization, let alone advancing our standard of living.

        • IstvanIN

          Oh, I agree, we need Whites with hard science and applied science degrees. We don’t people affirmative actioned into those programs.

        • SentryattheGate

          And that’s why the Insiders have been pushing for more H1-B visas; for immigrants supposedly with those skills, saying there are not enough Americans.

    • MooTieFighter

      I agree. There was a time when only the best and brightest went to college and that was o.k.. It kept competition high for our professional degrees and allowed those that were not truly cut out for college to become another productive member of society. It worked well. Now we just push anyone through college, and it’s really starting to show. Many of these degrees are becoming worthless.

      • meanqueen

        Vocational school needs to come back.

        • Those classes are almost free at local community colleges.

        • BloodofAlbion75

          Truer words have rarely been spoken.

      • TomIron361

        Sir, please try to can the “best and brightest” bs. There is nothing gained by using such lousy lingo. There are plenty of bright people who are absolute bums in every sense of the word and there are plenty of average or low IQ people who are the salt of the earth. That best and brightest stuff is what got us into this mess we’re in today.

  • Ronald

    What this article leaves unsaid is that one of the consequences of the demographic change of the US is resulting in a generally lower level of intelligence among the population. It is unlikely that awarding that demographic a Government diploma would compensate for the decline of intelligence. Shoveling even more hard earned taxpayer money down the bottomless Big School rat hole is unlikely to solve the underlying problem.

    • SentryattheGate

      Exactly! Nerobama pushing for earlier school start age (3) and also paid college, for a growing majority of blacks and browns; the lowest-performing students nationwide, despite decades of massive spending to close the wide gap between their performance and that of Asians and Whites.

  • The dream of college is a white man’s dream. Blacks and Hispanics, for the most part, simply don’t value education the way whites do. Those blacks and Hispanics that do value education do so only because they’ve been influenced by whites and not because it’s something dear or inherent among so-called ‘people of color.’

    Asians are the exception but, then again, we’re dealing with a more highly evolved race and culture(s) in this case.

    All the promises and educational opportunities granted to ‘minorities’ will do little to motivate large numbers of them to become college bound. Now, if you offered them chicken wings, malt liquor and weed things might be different – nah, probably not!

    • Spaniard in LA

      For the past 45 years the cream of the crop asian population has been immigrating to the U.S. so they have a huge advantage on everyone else. If both your grandfather and father have engineering degrees it is likely you will achieve success. The 1960 Cuban exile population is a good example of achievement.

      • Zimriel

        Even the earlier African immigrants and Jamaicans did fine in college. (Ever talk to some of this generation about the home-grown boyz in da hood? Yikes! They’d be BANNED off of here if they said to us what they’ve said to me.)

      • LHathaway

        The article, and most of the comments, completely ignore that aspect of higher learning. Those born overseas attending colleges in the US, or earning degrees overseas and then moving here. All it needed was another paragraph and this article could have been a plea for ‘diversity’ from overseas as a means for us to be able to compete. What they are doing is importing men of color to provide affirmative action females with a suitable (also AA beneficiary) husband.

  • Elephants in the room:

    Credential creep, aka diploma creep

    Set off by Griggs vs Duke Power

    Obama’s plan sounds like the perfect way for junior college to be just as rigorous as an average middle school.

    • GeneticsareDestiny

      I’m glad you mentioned Griggs vs. Duke Power. Most people have never heard of this court case, but the current college bubble can be almost solely traced back to the market reaction to this case.

      When Griggs outlawed IQ testing for jobs, employers had to find another way to tell which potential employees were intelligent and which ones were not. Since they could no longer simply administer a test to find out, they had to find a proxy: the college degree. Since people with college degrees are, on average, smarter than those without them, this functioned as a adequate but not perfect solution to the court decision.

      Unfortunately, this caused an artificial rise in the value of a college degree, leading young people to enroll in college in unprecedented numbers, including many who are not actually intelligent enough to be attending college in the first place. This caused a glut in the amount of people who have a degree, leading to a decrease in the degree’s power to help its holder find gainful employment.

      That leads us to our current situation, where tons of jobs that shouldn’t require a degree do require one because it functions as a filtering mechanism to separate job applicants into two groups (more intelligent and less intelligent).

      It would be incalculably better and more efficient to simply allow companies to administer intelligence tests, because that would allow people who are intelligent to get decent jobs without requiring them to go thousands of dollars into debt for a degree. But of course, das’ racis’, so we’ll just continue forcing everyone to delay purchasing a home or starting a family because of their massive student loan debt.

      The ironic thing is that blacks, just like everyone else, would be better off under the testing system. Intelligent blacks wouldn’t have to waste time and money on college to get a good job, and unintelligent blacks wouldn’t be encouraged to waste money trying to get a degree they’re not intelligent enough to get (which often leads to them getting garbage degrees like Black Studies instead). They’d still have a hard time finding a job, but they wouldn’t have student loan debt, so they’d be better off too.

      • SentryattheGate

        Great points!

      • Reynardine

        I had read somewhere about this being a cause, but I didn’t remember the actual court case until you refreshed my memory.

    • ViktorNN

      Exactly. Prepare for a massive lowering of standards.

  • david dorian

    Respond??? So stop the ‘demographic’ change. NOTHING is inevitable. This is planned.

    Hide your money folks… Parasites everywhere.

    Try finishing high school for REAL. You know, calculus, algebra, literature. Yes, that;s high school!!!

  • TruthBeTold

    I wonder if a high school diploma will be required or does that risk disenfranchising the less advantaged.

  • LiberalismFailed

    We’re going to see an appreciable decline in our civilization. I have an advanced degree, and trust me, in my own personal experience, the drop off from the White/Asian students to the Black/Hispanic in terms of intelligence is mind boggling.

    • Germanic Depressive

      Can you share any specific examples or even just more detailed thoughts and observations on this? It strikes me as an interesting thing to hear more on.

      • SentryattheGate

        The nationwide wide gap in student achievement between Whites and Asians vs. blacks and Hispanics has resulted in 33(maybe more now?) states adopting race-based achievement standards. For decades, schools were dumbed down so that blacks and browns wouldn’t fail, and drop out, thereby causing many social problems, like early pregnancies & welfare moms, criminality, drug abuse and dealing, etc. Massive money (some report 10 times more) was spent on the lowest-performing students, to close the gap–it didn’t work. More minority teachers were hired, extra nice schools were built, thinking that would spur better performance–didn’t work.

      • LiberalismFailed

        The few black classmates I had burned out after a semester or two. They never offered to answer questions in class. When called upon, it was embarrassingly obvious that they were out of their intellectual element. They were there because of affirmative action. Intellectually, they had no business being there. And this was probably the brightest of their demographic. And it was an incredible disservice to them and to society, because they weren’t stupid and could have spent time learning an occupation that was within their ability. Years later I saw a study that was “embargoed” for a decade, which gave me insight to the entrance test scores the black students had. Thousands of whites had scored much higher and been turned away and had far higher undergraduate GPAs.

  • WR_the_realist

    The article presents the demographic transition as a problem that will somehow be solved with the right government programs and enough tax payers’ money, rather than as the unsolvable problem that could have been avoided with sensible immigration policy that it is.

    • Dave West

      Step 1: blame Republicans
      Step 2: spend more and more on education
      10 years later, the situation remains the same
      Step 1: blame the “greedy” republicans again
      Step 2: spend more and more on education

      • LexiconD1

        Since when has thrown money at anything ever solved the problem? I’d love a liberal to answer this truthfully.

        • WR_the_realist

          It did get us to the moon. But as far as social problems go, no, they never get solved. We keep subsidizing bad behavior and then act surprised that we get more of it.

          • LexiconD1

            Should have been more specific….I mean social programs. Thanks, to all, for answering.

          • Irishgirl

            Splitting hairs here, but I think it got us to the moon because the intelligence (i.e., the scientists’ ability) was already there. Money can’t create something out of nothing.

        • Dave West

          It makes them feel like their doing something. For a lazy, jobless libtard, the thought of supporting a cause that helps “marginalized people” makes them feel special.

        • Sick of it

          Theoretically, if we threw billions of dollars behind a pro-white candidate, they might actually win the Presidency. And stay alive long enough to take office. They could easily win on the issue of immigration alone.

          • BloodofAlbion75

            “They could easily win on the issue of immigration alone.”

            A commitment to implementing a policy of America first economic nationalism,in addition to a principled dedication to finally ending our misbegotten attempts at nation-building oversea, would help a serious candidate,as well.

  • LeonNJ

    Don’t major in sociology. Trust me.

    • LexiconD1

      Political Science, Women Studies, Gender Studies, African anything, and many others are totally worthless ‘degrees’.

      • Christorchaos

        Does anyone have any thoughts about psychology? One of my kids wants to major in that

        • Sick of it

          They are not likely to find a job without a PhD.

          • SentryattheGate

            My niece, working on her Child Psych. Ph.D, is 30, has been in school all her life so far, raised without a father, no brothers, never married, no kids, a skinny vegetarian liberal—so has no real life experience and somehow the degree will qualify her to counsel kids????

          • Sick of it

            Could be worse – Add in the LGBT element. They would hate most people who walked into their offices right off the bat and give them the worst advice imaginable.

        • LexiconD1

          Don’t bother, unless you have a viable specific reason, otherwise you wont find a job with that.

        • Sha of Communism

          The only three places where you can get a real white collar job nowadays are the business school, medical school, and law school.

          A degree from studying psychiatry in the medical school is a valuable one, but a degree from psychology is not. None of my schoolmates graduated from the psychology programme (excluding the few with connections, of course) have got a real white collar job yet. Most of them are realtors, salespeople, nurses, and social workers. I don’t see why one would a bachelor’s degree for jobs like these.

          • LHathaway

            Being a social worker certainly beats working for minimum wage at Dollar Barn. You raise a point. Our ‘economic overlords’ want to keep wages for everyone down? It wouldn’t be surprising there are moves toward efficiency in a system based on money.

          • SentryattheGate

            For me, it would be a living hell to be a social worker!

          • Like being a schoolteacher. Bon has already written volumes here about that. I didn’t know about “lockdown” in schools until reading Bon’s posts on this site. I was familiar with the term only from prison.

        • Ed

          Depends it’s not as absurd as sociology but it’s on the light side. Honestly a good rule of them is that any major that attracts a higher number of Blacks, stay away. It’s a signal that it’s a low quality major. Don’t think Psychology is that bad.

          • Ella

            Most counselors and psychologists are white so generous scholarships are available for nonwhites and Spanish-speakers. I think research and clinical can be a good field, especially private-practice.

          • Christorchaos

            Seems like it might be a growth industry, with all the people screwed up by the unnatural world we live in. But I dont know…

          • Spaniard in LA

            It depends on your state.

          • redpill99

            when you say ” absurd as sociology” is it in terms of a career or in terms of being an easy major of no-substance like GLBT major?

          • Ed

            If taught correctly sociology could have positive real world applications. However it’s a den of left wing clap trap so it’s little different than the GLBT, ethnic or gender studies.

            Sociology is one of the degrees where Blacks are heavily concentrated in, that’s all you really need to know frankly.

          • redpill99

            tbh i knew of a couple of blonde teen girls majoring in it. sociology does require statistics and statistics is a pretty difficult subject

        • Spaniard in LA

          With a bachelors in psychology you can’t really do much. You can be a caseworker making around 37k a year (depending on your state). You need a Masters degree in order to get decent pay. I know several individuals who majored in psychology but then went on to a Masters in Social Work. Mental health seems to be big in California. One girl I know makes 91k a year working in mental health.

          • That makes sense in California. The place was full of crazy people when I was there 25-30 years ago. I can’t imagine it has gotten better.

          • Spaniard in LA

            It’s much worse, people with mental disorders (some drug induced) everywhere, especially in the area around Hollywood. Downtown LA has kicked most of them out to make room for the hipster community which seems to be growing.

        • B.A_2014

          I had three friends with a degree in psychology. One of them was a complete bum. How he got the degree I will never know. My friends sister works in Boots or a similar type shop and the other was stacking shelves in a garage the last I heard. The same goes for two friends with law degrees.

        • meanqueen

          Don’t do it. It’s just another soft science that doesn’t lead to a job, unless your child has a serious interest in pursuing a graduate degree in Psych in order to become a therapist or researcher.

    • Ed

      I have read reports where they break down majors by the average SAT scores of students. I believe education is the lowest, sociology is near the bottom too. It’s also extremely biased to the left.

      • LexiconD1

        LATimes reported, about 15 years ago, that the students who do the poorest in college, major in ‘education’, and become teachers.

        That’s not the first time, or the last time, I’ve read that.

        • BloodofAlbion75

          Or they become “reporters” for the LA Times.

    • redpill99

      Why single out sociology?

    • Spaniard in LA

      To late for me.

  • Dave West

    Another milestone on the way to a third wold America.

    #thirdworldpeople-make-thirdworldcountries.

  • Sick of it

    “Frey has calculated that if the U.S. does not improve its college
    completion rates for young people, the share of Americans holding at
    least a four-year degree will start to decline as soon as 2020. After
    that, his model forecasts that the share of college-educated Americans
    will not climb back to its level in 2015 (just under one-third) at least
    through 2050.”

    In other words, if they don’t act quickly to stop this horror, college graduates will be able to find decent jobs between 2020 and 2050.

    • Ella

      Instead of having 100-400 degreed people applying per job, we might now have a better chance in being hired with only 70 applicants to compete against and even, offered higher salaries.

      • Sick of it

        Perhaps a whole 40-50k no less. Seriously, it’s gotten bad.

      • IstvanIN

        Our “betters” will just import more Indians (dots).

        • The dots will still need whites to do their work for them while playing office politics and whining that they aren’t paid enough to play “dress up”. Give me honest feathers, any old day.

          • IstvanIN

            At least “Feathers” are legitimately American.

          • Walking back to Siberia would be a bit tricky.

          • Ella

            I really appreciate your suggestions in Denver proper. Golden is a very nice town as I viewed photos. The real estate doubled though in 10 years meaning a bigger mortgage. Any other suggestions South of Denver? I’ll keep Golden in mind.

  • libertarian1234

    “Because those black and Hispanic students make up an increasing share of the college pipeline, it is their high attrition rate that creates the risk that the nation’s overall share of college graduates will shift into reverse.”

    First of all lumping Hispanics in with blacks is a distortion, because they do much better than blacks. Obama and the black leadership like to include blacks in with Hispanics, trying to promote the idea that it isn’t just blacks who are struggling to rise up to the level of mediocrity.

    If that ploy wasn’t used, blacks would be standing alone as failures and their lame excuses for not being able to learn and achieve would be pretty obvious. By placing blacks as a group in with Hispanics as a group draws attention away from the fact that
    it is blacks who are failing and are behind Hispanics in last place. And that gap is going to increase, because most of the Hispanics who immigrate or sneak into this country have only a grade school education, and many of them not even that.

    The dialogue today should not be about the achievement gap between whites and blacks, but the achievement gap between Hispanics and blacks. Black average group I.Q. is 85 in this country and average group I.Q. of Hispanics is 89, but I truly believe, based on much reading about the subject, that black I.Q. here is inflated.

    Whatever the case, there are very few blacks who are capable enough to do college level work, and that won’t change. Hispanic I.Q.’s do not have the tight grouping of black I.Q.’s, which means there are many in the Hispanic population who will have people in the 114 I.Q. group who are said to make up the average I.Q. of college students today. The black contribution will be minimal, as always.

    So what can academia of tomorrow do to stop the decline in college students? They’ll do as they always do when it comes to accommodating blacks, which is to fabricate schemes and pretend the standards have always been too high, so they will lower them, and continue on with their quota system of mandating that X number of blacks get certified even if they can’t learn the course material.

    The only thing we can be sure of is that we will continue to live an abysmal lie and continue to drop into last place in almost every field of study compared to the rest of the developed world.

    • Zimriel

      Also, “Hispanics” is just a silly designation in that it’s not a race. I keep telling people it’s like calling “Muslims” a race. (Or “English speakers”.) So if someone stuck to Mam and Yucatec speakers who do not, in fact, speak Spanish then, yeah, sure, you could run a 89 IQ average. Old-school Tejano ranchers or Filipino computer programmers might run a lot higher.

    • LexiconD1

      Hispanics drop out in alarming rates, there really is no difference between the behaviors of blacks and Hispanics. Look up the numbers for yourself.

    • IstvanIN

      I would love to see Hispanic IQ and criminality rates broken down by race and ethnicity (white, mulatto, amerindian), it would prove enlightening.

    • SentryattheGate

      Anti-racist education research claims that the only reason minorities don’t do as well in school is because whites hold everyone else down! Even though different cultures do not all value education equally. And the UN’s Agenda 21 book says that higher education results in higher incomes and therefore more consumerism, which contributes to climate change. So it is part of the plan; to bring “social justice” by evening the playing field worldwide.

  • Usually Much Calmer

    Higher ed is the housing market of the twenty-teens.

    Meet the new bubble, same as the old bubble.

  • John Ambrose

    This is the same William Frey who on numerous occasions has spoken in a manner that can best be described as sheer orgasmic glee at the coming demographic marginalization of whites in this country. Either this man is certifiably insane or he has a death wish for the US. or both.

  • Ella

    So minorities get a higher education for “free” and we paid for our educations through loans and basic job employment 10 plus years ago?

  • Evette Coutier

    A college produces two products: education for students and the students as educated graduates who enter the workforce. A college’s reputation is degraded and even made worthless if their graduates are of poor quality. The university of Phoenix has encountered this. Many businesses will not accept their degrees. As Obama floods education with unqualified minorities, the value of a college diploma will plummet. higher education is an elitist activity. In his drive for government enforced equality, Obama will long term destroy the very value that sets higher education apart.

    • SentryattheGate

      Social “justice”!

  • ssohara

    I don’t care about the skin color of a person, I care about his qualifications. Affirmative action degrees do not inspire confidence re. the qualifications of the recipients.
    It’s bogus to link college education rates with competence levels of a society. During the late 1800s and early 1900s, for example, when America had an incredible period of innovation and growth, and during which it was also a prosperous and free society with a very limited federal government – how many people held college degrees?

    I am one of those who is very well educated. I saw a lot of people doing doctoral work who were probably less competent than the average 18 year old back in the 1920s.
    The problem with a goal of college degrees for minorities (where, BTW, Asians don’t get lumped in with the Hispanics or blacks because they actually manage to get a college degree without any help) is that it doesn’t actually create competence. If a piece of paper made you educated… why am I finding myself thinking of that scene from the Wizard of Oz where the Scarecrow gets a diploma? We seem to value diplomas more than we value actual brains in this country, don’t we?

    Anyway, if the goal is to actually educate minorities, then Obama would be calling for a return to standards at the K-6 level. This is much more important for core competence than a college degree since this is when you lay the foundation for an education – a child who masters reading (and most can do so by the time they are 4 or 5) can teach himself what he needs to know. A child who masters and understands the basic mathematical concepts can then build on this knowledge. But, instead, we have Obama and his ilk pushing common core.

    Also, if the goal was to educate minorities, then Dems would be pushing school choice, having fathers in the home, increasing discipline. Instead, it’s all about creating slaves to the Dem plantation, feeding the teachers’ unions, fostering self-esteem instead of a hard working and moral character.

    I have a very good friend (who is white). She and her husband adopted a black baby of a crack addicted mother. This little girl is home-schooled, and despite the horrible hand she was dealt by nature, through good nurture she is thriving. She is 7 years old now and speaks fluent German and Italian as well as English (not ebonics!) and knows her multiplication tables, reads well above her grade level, etc. She is also very well behaved, kind-hearted and sweet, just like the other home-schooled children I know.
    I think it is even more important with children who might be genetically challenged to be MORE strict, more hard-core with education, etc. They need the discipline even more if they are to achieve.

    • Spaniard in LA

      If Asians are so bright why are their countries a pile of doggy waste (with the exception of Japan and Korea)? For example, Indians are doing very well but that has to do with the fact that only the brightest are immigrating. India is a pile of waste compared to Argentina and Mexico. My point is that the Latin American poor live much better lives than the Asian poor. If the U.S was located on the Asian continent, we’d all be here complaining about the dumb Asian.

      • Ultimate187

        It’s population size. If China and India had the same lower population numbers as the US, they would be doing significantly better.

      • ssohara

        I have no idea what point you are trying to make? I’ve never insulted Latinos and I’ve never denied that India has got problems, and of course not all Indians are smart. Who are you trying to argue with?

    • E. Newton

      “I don’t care about the skin color of a person…”. I don’t care about the color of the wolf’s fur. If I am without defense, the wolf will kill me nevertheless. It makes no difference how I care or care not about the wolf’s fur. Stop apologizing for using life’s observations. I don’t think you’re educated enough to even be here.

    • Sick of it

      “We seem to value diplomas more than we value actual brains in this country, don’t we?”

      If people in this country cared about brains, we’d have a better gene pool.

    • Småsnoppdemokraterna2018

      The human brain undergoes a massive reformatting starting around the age of 11-12. I think your friends will be surprised and not in a positive way. Its not like they are the first to try to lord over nature.

  • ssohara

    Also, not everyone is “college material”. That’s not a bad thing. A really good mechanic is a marvel to behold and a decent plumber can earn more than a college professor. I for one would rather live in a society with a lot less “well educated” lawyers and politicians and more “blue collar” people who are actually useful.

    • SentryattheGate

      I can’t help but bristle when an Indian, such as you, gives US advice! There are ~1.5 BILLION Indians and they are coming for our territory, and our jobs! I see that you cheer on Bobby Jindal for president! Of course, one of your own!

      • ssohara

        I like Bobby Jindal but I like Scott Walker better. Just because you are a racist doesn’t mean I am.
        The last I checked, people born in the US were US citizens. And I am not giving “the US” advice – I am merely stating my own personal opinion. If you disagree, and can rationally point out the flaw in what I said, then that would make a good discussion. If all you can do is get upset, bristle, make assumptions about me, etc., then how are you any different from liberals who call people “racist” at the drop of a hat?

        If you are worried about unchecked immigration to this country – work to help secure the border. I agree with enforcing our immigration laws.

        BTW, Indians currently make up .5% of the population in the US and the ones who come here come here LEGALLY. My Dad came here in the 1960s because a Congressman actually invited him. I have a cousin who got his PhD in chemical engineering from Stanford, he went back to India when his Visa expired. If he had stayed here he would probably have started a high-tech company hiring whites as well as Asians, which is what a very high percentage of Indians, Chinese, etc., with PhDs in Silicon Valley do.

        If you just hate Indians – well, nothing I can say to that.

        • SentryattheGate

          I did not say I hated Indians; I object to them being over here! And I am not a racist, as you describe me; I am a racial realist. I don’t want my country invaded. You wouldn’t want India invaded would you? When you say that Indians make up .5% of the population; who knows how high that percentage will climb? Esp. with SO MANY Indians! So many Indians seem to be quite haughty; that we NEED them and their expertise—well where did that knowledge come from? Admit it; from the West!

          • Spaniard in LA

            My 3rd generation German American friend recently graduated with a degree in Computer Science and he is having difficult time finding a job. Meanwhile, Indians are starting these agencies that import foreign workers. I recently met 2 Mexican Nationals at my local gym. They were telling me they work for a local tech company. They also mentioned that 30% of their salary goes to those that helped them get their visas. And by the way, my friend is still looking for a job.

          • ssohara

            Dude, instead of arguing with me, call up your Congressman and ask them to enforce our borders. I’ve already written letters to mine. It’s insane that we don’t enforce our existing immigration laws.

          • SentryattheGate

            I’m way ahead of you, and don’t need your advice. I’ve been on a very popular talk radio re. immigration since the late 90’s. I’ve been called one of my state’s leading immig. experts. My US representative calls me for immig. advice, and Tea Parties have hosted my speeches.

          • ssohara

            well that’s awesome! 🙂

      • Fletch

        Very hard to keep non-whites from invading our countries to take advantage of whites in every way they can. More competitors for our grandchildren to deal with. More diversity and enrichment. More miscegenation. The West is being raped by these aliens and whites are supposed to be happy about their own displacement.

      • ssohara

        To be totally honest, though, I like Sarah Palin better than either Bobby Jindal or Scott Walker.

    • meanqueen

      YES!!! Why do we need Women’s Studies majors? I prefer to have some more craftsmen, farmers, people who can actually keep us alive.

      • Chasmania

        “..Why do we need Women’s Studies majors? ”

        Because there are a lot of unemployable lesbians out there who need their version of welfare, only with more money and prestige.

      • cherrie greenbaum123

        When you are around white men you are around progress and enlightenment. Black men? Not so much.

  • realgone222

    In my town the local public schools are seeing this demographic shift and with it comes the challenges that “diversity” brings i.e free/reduced lunch costs, curriculam remapping to “special needs”, ESL, decompensated academic rigor etc. It frightens me having children in the district and thats why I am having to take out a second mortgage to pay for private school next year. I view this reality as “diversity tax” on hard working people, not only do I have to pay increasing taxation at the local level I also have to take out $200k loans to get away from declining moral and academic standards. This is the unspoken truth that ALL white parents in my situation have to deal with and of course to say it in the public forum is racist. My prediction is that this segregation will continue to escalate and the public schools will become bastions of mostly minorities receiving sub par educations. Whites/asians pay the enormous tax I described just to SURVIVE.

  • redpill99

    Is philosophy a good major?

    • WilmotRobertson

      It depends on what you want to get out of it. If it is money and job options, probably not. If it is critical thinking, yes.

      • newscomments70

        College professors have a pretty good racket. Live in a multimillion dollar home, owned by the university. Teach marxism and chase after young women.

        • Those positions require doctorates, not just a four-year BA. University professors don’t have it as good as they used to; tenure-track positions are much scarcer now. As for chasing after the co-eds, sexual harassment rules on college campuses make that a dubious pastime for a professor who wants to remain employed.

          • newscomments70

            I guess I am remembering “Educating Rita” too much. At UCal Irvine, some of the professors’ residences are worth millions. Although, I imagine most instructors don’t have such perks. I do know one junior professor. He is only 30 and a bit girl crazy. He does stay away from his students though.

        • Ella

          College prof. today, up to 80%, are mostly contracted adjuncts. Then, they cry when a good prof. leaves for a stable paying job!

        • WilmotRobertson

          It depends where you go. Although, I think it is safe to say that you will more often than not find a professor with his head in the sand or his own nether region. I have only had one negative experience which was, of course, in a social science class. The social science department is like mordor.

  • Reynardine

    Why have colleges in the US at all? Can’t we just import EVERYTHING?

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    God help us when 2030 comes and whites are a minority.

    • Fletch

      The worm will turn. The rainbow society that libtards think will be a blessing will turn out to be the curse we all know it is.

  • meanqueen

    Research Khan Academy, or The Great Courses. Everything you could want is online. Why do we even need colleges anymore? We just need a computer and a testing site with proctors.

  • Texan1st

    They flood our country with “browns”, then act surprised when our academic performance declines and our global competitiveness suffers. We’ve tried telling them for years but they wouldn’t listen. They still won’t.

  • Brady

    Fewer people going to college means fewer young people subjected to leftist indoctrination. A college degree isn’t as important in the job market these days as most people think anyway.

    • Ella

      I’d go vo-tech today if I did the education years again.

  • SimplyFred

    Just at this moment there are 17 million underemployed and unemployed college graduates in America. These unfortunates live in mom’s basement because their jobs have been given to foreigners through the genocidal H 1 B Visa program. The student loan debt is a full trillion dollars. Why not end the H 1 B Visa?

    • Sick of it

      Many actually live together in groups of three and four, not in mom’s basement, and work low wage jobs to get by. It took me a while to get a decent job, but a guy I used to work with is still in said terrible situation years later.

      • Ella

        These situations delay dating and marriage leading to more economic insecurities and stress. You also lose years toward paying a mortgage and contributing to retirement funds. That sucks.

  • Lkoehn

    A four year college degree does not mean a thing if your studies do not contribute to a profession. There is way too much money wasted on students who have no business in college at all and who would be better served going to a community college or trade school where they could learn a profession that would lead to a job rather then spending 4 years in a left wing progressive environment where they are trained to do nothing and leads to their parents basement.

    • cherrie greenbaum123

      but, but, but, they told me my degree in Afro Lesbo Studies would get me a management job.

      • Lkoehn

        Only in the Afro Lesbo sex toys industry which has very limited openings.

        • meanqueen

          No pun intended!

          • Lkoehn

            Absolutely straight faced!

    • geofly

      hey grandpa, I actually agree with you on this post….except for the leftist thing which seems to be a continual wet dream of yours.

      • Lkoehn

        Are you in denial over our education system, teachers, and professors being primarily progressives which is left of liberal? I don’t blame you for being ashamed of your politics but you will grow in knowledge as you age. I can even remember when I thought DemoRATZ were OK.

  • BloodofAlbion75

    I’ve heard that our overlords in DC are in need of a few good psychologists.

    Heh,heh,heh…

  • BloodofAlbion75

    “Hard science degrees are most often a waste of time as well…”

    A fact that any STEM graduate whose job has been stolen by an H1-B visa holder from India can readily confirm.

  • BloodofAlbion75

    Not if our lives depend on it.

  • newscomments70

    Some “student athletes” are illiterate or barely literate. Kindergarteners know some basic reading skills. I don’t think walt exagerated.

    • ElComadreja

      Don’t you mean “affletes”?

    • Spaniard in LA

      And they drag down the schools academic reputation.

  • ElComadreja

    Make that tens of thousands.

  • ElComadreja

    No, the homosexuals, blacks, illegal aliens, Muslims, feminazis etc. will band together and fight for their multicultural hell hole.

    • DAWNOFNEWDAY

      Let them be busy fighting with each other and the normal white men and women (like us) should continue storing up guns, ammunition, long-term storage food, stay in shape, don’t smoke, don’t drink alcohol excessively, learn self defense techniques. Let us go are own way and the Left will eat itself.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        I’m really surprised no one on here has contacted me about my society because that is exactly the goal I am reaching for in my group.

  • ElComadreja

    Down deep they know they’re inferior and they hate us for it. Whites are a constant reminder that they drew the evolutionary short straw.

    • UncleSham

      And thus, Whites must be eliminated. Blacks are the rightful rulers of the Earth, but they can not achieve their birth right as long as Whites are around. That seems to be the gist of everything I have heard from Farrakhan.

  • UncleSham

    Actually, most of those degrees in which you don’t actually learn anything can lead to high job security in a cushy government job, where your role in society is to get in the way of White men who are trying to be productive.

    • com contrarian

      This is why so many still go to college and do liberal arts degrees, even though only 55 percent of them get degree-level jobs. The unlikely ones will end up serving coffee, but the lucking ones can still find reasonably cushy public service jobs.

      Unfortunately, it’s often reasonably bright white males that end up serving the coffee, as most of the non-technical white collar jobs go to go to white females (particularly the pretty ones) or minority AA recipients.

  • Hammerheart

    I wonder how this will affect my GI Bill? Will my bill be refunded for the portion of it I’m currently using to attend community college?

  • Julius Caesar

    “The greatest university of all is a collection of books.”-Thomas Carlyle

    • cherrie greenbaum123

      Readin’ be rayciss n’ sheeit. Gnome sane?

  • Raymond Kidwell

    I put some statistics I found on my website. About 40% of low income people are white. About 50% of school children are white. 70% of high scoring (SAT, or even IQ test if you want to do that) 70% of high scoring low income people are white. Most of these high scores are white males. In other words, among poor people, whites are high achievers by a ratio of about 2:1.

    At the same time almost all grants, welfare, job training and other programs for the poor are directed at minorities and women. When I went to college I was denied access to classrooms because they “hate men” as I was told. What little talent exist at the bottom is being completely neglected because it isn’t the right race or gender.

    I find it far more realistic and important to organize socially in order to protect each other from the discrimination and hate that is real and that I experience everyday, as opposed to focusing on dreams of some whites only nation. But the fact is, this white male bashing hurts everyone. The low I.Q. people can watch their jobs vanish, wages decline, neighborhoods fall apart etc. as people put into leadership positions are increasingly incompetent. Meanwhile high I.Q. white males who weren’t born in the right families are eating out of trash cans and unemployed while low I.Q. minority women are taking key positions in government and being handed PhDs in the name of diversity.

    That’s the other problem is they have made a college degree a joke by lowering standards in certain areas in order to churn out minority graduates. If we really had a fair and unbiased system then those at the top would be overwhelmingly white male. Even those who come from low income and graduating from college or experienceing upward mobility would be overwhelmingly white male. There would be some rare exceptions, but that would be the general rule. So in order to destroy white male dominance they have to turn the whole system upside and basically collapse everything.

    I wonder when the rich elite will start feeling the effects of this or realize they are destroying their own wealth and power by collapsing the underlying foundation that holds this society together. I don’t think we need to discriminate against non-whites or females. But we do need to discriminate in places where its important: I.Q., academic ability, altruism, law abidingness etc. We have basically replaced academic standards with a “reverse” racism that cares more about your skin color than it does about your ability to pass a math test.

    Another bridge collapsed in Cincinnati today… welcome to the new normal.

  • cherrie greenbaum123

    Perhaps if we simply mailed them the degree they could stay home and whites could actually learn something in class?

  • Raymond Kidwell

    No, what they do is replace academics with busy work. So it is hard going to college, but not so much intellectually. Maybe in some cases there are intellectually hard classes, but whenever they can they just give you piles and piles of busy work. This allows some people to drop out because they can’t handle the work load, but because intelligence is less of a factor, you get a more diverse class. Actually it favors females, who for some reason are able to be more blindly obedient and endure more boring tedious work. So you have about 80% female graduation rates on average in these schools. Apparently 80%, 90%, and even 100% female student bodies is not considered a problem to the diversity police. I am trying to get Federal officials to do something about 100% female classrooms that won’t let men attend.

    • com contrarian

      This has certainly happened in high schools in Australia and New Zealand. Boys prefer pass/ fail exams, and their grades have gone down since the schools reduce the number of exams and switched to internal assessment with lots of projects and essays instead of exams. The headmasters of boys schools complain about it but nobody listens. Lots of busy work also puts those kids who have to part-time jobs at a disadvantage, since the only have so much time to devote to study.

      • UncleSham

        A lot of the boys will just end up copying the homework from someone else, that’s what I did in high school. I figured that if I knew all the material and could get an A on the tests then I deserved an A in the class. The only purpose of grading most of the homework was to allow the kids who weren’t smart enough to actually learn the material to still get good grades. This meant that basically all the girls received good grades no matter their level of intelligence. Very few of the boys were willing to waste their time with all the busy work and the ones who thought it was immoral to cheat wound up getting Cs no matter how well they did on the tests. My male classmates who were committed to being honest missed out on receiving any college scholarships.

        • Raymond Kidwell

          Studies have also shown that boys do better in classes where they must debate, or give presentations. Females do better listening to lectures. So the classrooms have been mostly tilted towards activities that seem to favor females.

          • Wing-nut.

            Never met a professor who didn’t like to hear themselves speak.

          • Not one bit good for the US, now or in the future. Not one bit.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            My eyes really opened when I went to school for teaching. I always thought that schools were dumbed down to the max, because that is what I experienced. They have programs for rich kids that teach them to think and be a leader. Then they sprinkle these classes with minorities. It’s all social engineering.

            They seem to assume that if you come from a poor family that you must be stupid. So they put you in these dumbed down busy work classes learning first grade material in 11th grade. And the truly smart people get low grades in these environments. Then the semi-dull who get As will be given scholarships.

            If you are a white male from a low SES background, and high intelligence you will meet a very hostile academia. But if you simply have rich parents or even well off middle class parents who know what schools/classes to enroll you in, then the story is different.

            Like the “gifted” classes. They don’t give people an I.Q. test for these classes. They just arbitrarily choose who is “gifted”. 99% of the time this means rich parents and parents who call up and bug the school to put their child in the gifted program. Then of course sprinkling some minorities in for diversity.

            Then everyone seems to delude themselves into believing its a meritocracy. They often boast about their high I.Q. I’m like “have you ever taken an I.Q. test in your life?” For the most part the students do have high I.Q.s but the sorting process is mainly about who your parents are.

            So the point i’m making is it really is about prospective. It’s a totally different world depending on what side of the tracks you were born on or who your parents are. In the private schools and such you have an environment where white males can shine, where high I.Q. is a net plus, talent is recognized. If you go to an average public school and don’t have the benefit of being pushed into a gifted program, then you can pretty much expect things to be dumbed down to the max, even if you aren’t stupid.

          • Yep, it’s pretty sad. So much for the issue of equality.

  • Raymond Kidwell

    I don’t really have a choice. If the doctor isn’t Jewish you probably need to be skeptical.

    • Anglokraut

      I have a really nice D.O. who did his schooling in North Dakota; he’s also White, non-Jewish, and with good, strong German blood. It’s nice to know there are still such doctors out there.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        North Dakota is mostly Germans and Scandinavians. Nobody else wants to live in that weather except for a handful of native americans. There are a fare number of white non Jewish doctors though.

  • John Doeman

    Huh? So as the demographics in the country shift away from a white majority, the percentage of Americans holding four-year degrees has declined. I wonder what could be going on. Well, I guess more welfare and government programs should solve the problem.

    • Raymond Kidwell

      There’s less white people in the classrooms, making it harder to sit next to someone who’s test you can copy.

  • propagandaoftruth

    This is just the high schoolin’ of “college” for the benefit of the negroes.

    What follows I first posted on Takimag in response to the Buchanan piece on Selma there…

    One can see the decline in standards very well if one looks at public education since the stealth Marxist revolution of the late 60’s/early 70’s.

    Since 1970 we spend between 2.5 and 3 times what we spent prior, inflation adjusted of course. Input.

    Output? Well, to peruse the official data – nothing. According to all standard indicators we are treading water. Output has not changed. After the massive, traumatic, and dislocating changes forced upon us ignorant Folk by “progressive” do-gooders (Marxists), nothing has changed. Of all the “glitter and unicorns” style educational fads ginned up in education departments nationwide by cutsey crypto-Marxist haradrinry, for example, the only one that seemed to have positive observable outcomes was the “Back to the Basics” movement of the bad ol’ Reagan administration.

    But of course this was squelched for two reasons…

    1. If the answer to educational nirvana is good old fashioned hard work, long hours and sacrifice, how does the trouble making Education Mandarin justify his/her salary or position? If the goal of making all learning fun and easy is not pursued (with the corollary assumption that it is somebody else’s responsibility to make learning fun and easy and it is not therefore the responsibility of the individual learner and his family), how does the education professor self justify?

    2. If an educational trend actually results in improvements across the board, but the “achievement gap” remains between blacks and all others – we have failed! Racism! We would rather sink all to the black level than hurt their feelings by outperforming them everywhere but on the sports field.

    But here’s the real clincher – or buttcheek clencher if one is cursed with apprehension of the big picture (ooooh! I’m a global learner!)…

    The only way we have been able to show that educational results have “stayed the same” since the Marxist takeover is to…

    LOWER STANDARDS!

    Look at the reading levels prior to Marxist education and compare with now. Look at math standards, look at all standards and what one finds is that if standards were the same as pre-1970…

    Output would be very highly negatively correlated to input. The only way Marxist educational mandarins and kapos can justify their parasitism is to cook the books, lower the standards, and purposely lie.

    What do you expect, eh? Modern “education” is a parasitic Marxist tool that is destroying our nation.

    • Raymond Kidwell

      Actually the black-white achievement gap has increased as a result of Marxist policies. The reason is that Marxism has affected blacks more than whites (i.e. more welfare births, single parent families etc.). Violent crime went up about 700 percent in black communities from the 1950s to present. All these trends can be directly correlated with leftist social policies that started in the 1960s. The people who Marxism claims to help, actually suffer the most from it. This is touched on to some degree in Charles Murray’s book “losing ground”.

      so we are spending a lot more money and overall scores are about the same, but racial achievement gaps, actually increased. I would speculate though that without all the extra money we would decrease due to lower I.Q.s. Also we are on a decline if you compare our scores to the rest of the world, which has increased since the 1960s, while we have been treading water.

  • Raymond Kidwell

    I agree from an economic standpoint I feel that going to college was a mistake. I have not been able to complete my degree due to finances and discrimination I experienced with the schools. Plus even when I graduate I don’t think I will make any more money than a plumber. From a financial standpoint it doesn’t even make sense to work. Own a business if you can. But everybody is in a different situation in regards to what is available. I never had a chance to go to a good vo-tech. I guess I could have in high school but didn’t want to enroll in the “retard” program where they send the rejects to vo-tech. Wish I did though.

    But beyond financial reasons, I like college. I like to learn. I like the atmosphere. I like to be exposed to new ideas and viewpoints. I just wish they weren’t so highly biased against white people and males. They say things like “women are superior to men” and won’t let you speak against it. or that “all wars are caused by white people” and other hostility. I really question where these views are coming from. It seems almost like china or something is running our schools. I wasn’t even exposed to much economic marxism. The only thing I was exposed to was raw hatred towards whites and males, and specifically white men. Beyond that, though I love going to college.

    I meet people who have high paying jobs and enroll in community college classes for fun. It’s something I would do if I had the time and money as well. There is a value to education that goes beyond mere economics.

    In regards to kids being too dumb for school, I didn’t see a lot of that. I think some of the classes should be more g loaded (although I really struggled with classes myself and some of them are really hard- mostly the math and science ones for me). It doesn’t take a genius to pass college. You just can’t be completely dumb. I have never seen a complete moron even attempt college. So most of the people going are intellectually able to graduate. The only exception were some black students that tend to enroll in universities. The universities attract them in order to get their diversities numbers up, and give them a free ride and set them up with a really easy major. Most of them still drop out. But that’s not community college.

    Community college the biggest problem is a lot of people think it will be easy. They think they can party all the time and go to school. Those people usually fail. Then you have people with kids and a job and think they can juggle all that and do school. They usually fail. So that is where most of the drop outs come from. Very few find that it’s too hard. If you are in an intellectually challenging major you can always downgrade to something easier. But some of it does require you to focus and study a lot, and other times a lot of work involved. Some people I meet seem to think college involves going to class a couple hours a day and goofing off the rest of the time. I would say college is just as hard if not harder than a full time job, which a lot of people don’t get.

    • com contrarian

      In Commonwealth countries like Australia it’s pretty easy to get a BA from a state university and pass with Cs but you need to get a 2:1 to get any chance of a degree-level job. A 2:1 is like a B plus average, and this does require a reasonable amount of work, and a certain level of brain power.

      However, as in the US there is government pressure to produce more graduates and pass more NAMs and this leads to grade inflation, so it’s getting to the stage where you need straight As to be taken seriously by employers.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        In my opinion you can work at Mcdonalds and enjoy a pretty high quality of life. You can be a farmer or dishwasher, just about anything. The problem I encounter is not the job, but the low I.Q., and insane behavior of the managers and co-workers. Even dealing with some educated people, their behavior is really ridiculous. I think the solution is just to have a private society with people who meet a minimal level of intelligence and reasonable behavior and work together with them.

        The thing is most people I meet don’t value intelligence. they don’t feel its important. Even highly educated, high I.Q. people. They don’t worry about the falling I.Q.s. There’s little concern about sociopathic behavior or other pathologies in the population. This is the underlying concern for me. We could be a bunch of primitive amish people growing corn and raising cattle and actually live a really high quality of life. By contrast, even being educated in this world around me full of crime, corruption, stupid people, mentally ill people etc. where these mental pathologies are the norm rather than the exception, it’s kind of hard to enjoy any quality of life or even to earn a living in this environment.

        How do you run a business when your customers are all criminals that can’t read or write and will scream and fight with you every chance they get? How do you become a lawyer when the cops and federal agents don’t even have a concept of law and order or rule of law? People have to understand these basic things for society to function. Increasingly it’s lacking.

        I’m sure you can go to zimbabwe and get a doctorate degree, but I doubt you will make any money or have a very high standard of living. There is a certain base line level of competency that is important to maintaining a first world quality of life, and it seems to be lacking in the majority of citizens. I’m more concerned about that than education. The only solution I can see is to gather a small group of competent people and try to live as a people apart sort of like amish or jews and just try to survive the collapse of the rest of society.

        And also it’s not solely about race. White I.Q.s are free falling and a majority of whites I deal with are incompetent and mentally defective.

  • Raymond Kidwell

    All the jobs in the army that can actually lead to a good career in the civilian world have long waiting lists. You have to be pretty lucky to get one of those. Plus jobs that used to be a one year vocational school are now associate degrees in community college and require three years worth of classes to complete. It would be better if a community could get together and set up their own schools and businesses and bypass some of the corruption.

  • Itooktheredpill

    College degrees are essentially the new HS these days. The standards have been so drastically lowered. Going to college used to mean something but now just about everyone goes and provided your not completely retarded you will at least pass.

    • Magician

      Well when our modern college women have such wonderful, intelligent and sophisticated discussions as “vagina monologues” it is hard to deny the notion that we are truly dumbing down the quality of education at colleges around the country.

      Can you imagine a group of American college boys having a quality discussion called

      “penis monologues”? Just imagine how intelligent our young men would appear, while having that discussion.

      • Itooktheredpill

        Unfortunately when it comes to the problems caused by feminism college is our #1 enemy.

        Before I went to college I heard a lot of older friends say “people change in college”. Well I found this to be true in a number of ways but it was exceptionally obvious with the vast majority of the girls I was friends with before college.

        By the time they graduated they where all obsessed with this kind of “sex and the city”, girls (the show), feminism, have sex with as many guys as possible narrative. Most of them had none of this garbage in their heads senior year of HS.

        To be fair though a lot of guys I know came out brain washed to and addicted to drugs.

        We live in strange times.

  • Raymond Kidwell

    You don’t have to go to college for that. It begins in pre-school and continues all the way up through every grade level. If you weren’t brainwashed in the first 12 grades, I doubt college will be able to get to you.

  • Outstanding comments!

  • Interesting. I’ll check it out, thanks!

  • John Smith

    This speaks to the intellectual abilities of minorities and their effect in a minority-majority country. The solution will be to drop standards even further until they pass, though even that probably won’t work, much like many minority members themselves.

  • Raymond Kidwell

    I usually didn’t do well in school. The reason was when they told me two plus two is five I questioned it. Females have more of a tendencies to do what they are told and to repeat nonsense. Over time I realized they aren’t teaching us to be leaders but just teaching us to do what we are told so that we can go work in a factory or flip burgers for the elite. Smart people are weeded out of the system and not really welcome. They want you to be just smart enough to do your job right, but not smart enough to question orders. The school system mirrors the military, both of which are based on the prussian model- the same one the Nazis used.

    Pink Floyd had it right- it’s all about being another brick in the wall. Education is about how you can serve the elites and society, not about how you can grow as an individual or “win” at life.

    And of course equality only becomes an issue when the person is too stupid to take advantage of the resources thrown at him. You can give jimbo a five million dollar grant to finish his degree in nuclear physics and he still won’t graduate. As soon as they see someone capable of actually accomplishing something the equality rhetoric goes away. It’s just another excuse to beat down average people and keep them from climbing ahead in wealth or power.

    “Hey I was reading that. Why did you take away my book on international politics?”

    “Well because its racist. Jimbo here is disadvantaged and we had to burn your book to pay for his free lunch” This way they can deflect their true intention and get you made at the minorities rather than the authority that is actually keeping you down.

    “Hey why did you give that woman an A in physics for saying two plus two equals five?” She’s just smarter than you. Men are part of a repressive society and women are naturally the smarter sex. Get used to it.

    So when I go into a classroom of children of the rich I’m really surprised to see that they are being taught to think and solve problems. Very unusual compared to the education us regular people get. It’s part of a three tiered social construct they have come up with. The first tier are the elites. The second tier are the professional class that mostly serve the elites (your doctors, lawyers and scientists) and the third tier are us peasants that mow grass and work in the factories or else sent to die in a war somewhere. Each tier gets a different education.

    At least in the Soviet Union they test you and see what you are good at. In America the tier they put you in largely relates to the neighborhood you live in or who your parents are, what your accent is etc.