Southern Baptist Leaders Call for Integrated Churches

Travis Loller, Yahoo! News, January 24, 2015

Leaders in nation’s largest Protestant denomination are preaching that integrated churches can be a key driver of racial justice in society. But that could be a hard sell to those sitting in Southern Baptist Convention congregations.

The Rev. Russell Moore, who leads the Southern Baptist’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, is one of several white leaders calling for multiethnic congregations in the wake of the unrest spurred by the killings of black men by white police officers in Ferguson, Missouri, and New York City.

“In the church, a black Christian and a white Christian are brothers and sisters,” Moore wrote recently. “We care what happens to the other, because when one part of the Body hurts, the whole Body hurts. . . . When we know one another as brothers and sisters, we will start to stand up and speak up for one another.”

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During the civil rights movement, Southern Baptists were largely silent or actively opposed ending segregation. The denomination eventually declared racism a sin, and in 2011 renewed efforts to reach out to Latinos, African-Americans and others. The next year, the denomination elected its first African-American president, the Rev. Fred Luter, Jr.

Moore’s commission has also organized a leadership summit called “The Gospel and Racial Reconciliation” to be held this spring.

Moore said he has two goals for the summit. He wants to spur churches to work for racial reconciliation by articulating it as a Gospel demand. And he wants to facilitate personal relationships between Southern Baptists of different races.

But some would also like to see concrete efforts to integrate the Southern Baptist Convention, especially at the level of leadership.

“The church lacks the moral authority to address the world about race before we set our own house in order,” said the Rev. Dwight McKissic, a black Southern Baptist pastor in Arlington, Texas.

While he praised recent statements by SBC leaders, he also noted that the denomination continues to employ all whites as top executives and seminary presidents.

“It’s obvious the rhetoric and reality is not matching,” he said.

Nonwhite congregations made up 20 percent of the Southern Baptist Convention’s nearly 51,000 congregations in 2012, the most recent year statistics are available from the denomination. But less than 1 percent of those congregations are multiethnic. The vast majority of Southern Baptists attend a church predominantly filled by people of their own race, be it black, white or Hispanic. The situation is nearly identical in most Christian denominations in the United States.

Despite that lack of integration, a phone survey of about 1,000 churchgoers by Lifeway Research recently found that only 37 percent of evangelicals thought their churches needed to become more ethnically diverse. The survey was not broken down by denomination.

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  • propagandaoftruth

    Are there no churches more interested in saving souls than “fixing all the problems”?

    • Alexandra1973

      Mine is. We figure, when souls are saved, that’ll take care of a lot of problems.

      • propagandaoftruth

        I want to find a church that uses it’s income to…

        1. Pay the bills and salaries it needs to pay to spread the good word.

        2. Does not send money halfway around the world or anywhere else to “help” poor aliens and support ideological causes antagonistic to me and mine.

        If good works are to be done, take a page from the Mormons and help out our own congregation – let others help their own.

        • Earl P. Holt III

          Ever heard of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church…?

          • AnthonyMa

            Unfortunately, the OPC has, as one of it’s doctrines, what it calls “corporate guilt” by which it means the guilt of the whole White race because of supposed mistreatment in the past (by some Whites) of the black race. This may not be reflected in individual congregations, but is the official position of that denomination.

          • Earl P. Holt III

            I hope you are mistaken: My guess is that “Corporate Guilt” refers to Original Sin…

          • AnthonyMa

            Wish it did, but I read their published statement and they were pretty specific in their ridiculous position.

    • Mary

      Yes, aren’t we all supposed to suffer on Earth, and then receive our reward in Heaven? Not anymore, apparently.

      • WR_the_realist

        As the churches diversify, we’ll all suffer a little more.

      • propagandaoftruth

        Liblefty crypto-Marxists are inherently hostile to true belief in anything not of this world and I don’t trust their faith.

        Put these do-gooder abominations in priestly robes and now we have just another preachy crypto-Marxist institution soliciting donations for the holy cause of civilizational suicide and messianic self immolation.

  • Samuel Hathaway

    I left the Baptist church over this phony, self-conscious, guarded issue several years ago. After bragging about how diverse they’d become, the church i used to attend now has separate services for Africans and Hispanics, one for the young people into “rock and roll” and a traditional one with all the grand old hymns. I left the church over these ridiculous cultural agendas. I did not become a skeptic.

    • Katherine McChesney

      I left the Baptist church when they voted Fred Luter in to represent them.

      • Right on Katherine!

      • Samuel Hathaway

        Fred Luter wasn’t vote in so much as he was appointed. From what i understand and correct me if i’m wrong, but no white candidates were allowed. In other words, no election.

        • Katherine McChesney

          Fred Luter was once an ally of Jeremiah Wright.

          • WoodyBBad

            Obama would feel right at home then.

    • Amen, I would have left too. I admire you that you didn’t allow yourself to slide in skepticism or atheism. It can be very discouraging to witness all the nonsense that goes on in churches because almost all of them have no white racial consciousness. But there are a growing number of us who are race-realists and who know the Bible does NOT teach multiculturalism nor even hint that all racial and cultural groups are equal.

      • pcmustgo

        Well, Jesus did bump into the Good Samaration and the Good Ethiopian… but even there, there’s a hint of “they’re Black, but nice”. like that’s a rarity. King Solomon shacked up with the Ethiopian Queen of Sheba (Eastern Africans are different from Western Africans and Ethiopians even are Semites. not Negroids), but it was phrased like “She’s Black, but Comely”… = “She’s good looking- for a Black woman”. He had 1,000 other wives anyways.

        • Reynardine

          The racial identity of the Ethiopians is up for some debate, as you put it.

          Most Ethiopians speak a Semitic or Cushitic language, and the ruling classes are very Semitic, and consequently there is a layering of genetics and language that is consistent with what we see in Africa across the ages: Semites on top, Africans on the bottom. Though, there is a whole lot of African interbreeding that’s been going on across the ages, and usually for the worst.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Whatever the Ethiopians maybe, they are just as negroid and horrid as the sub-Saharan Africans. I have known Ethiopian and Eritrean people that are just as good as pulling the race card and committing crimes like our sub Saharan brothas,.

          • John Smith

            Somalis fit in roughly the same category and we all know about them.

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            Well, the Ethiopian eunuch wasn’t out raping ‘n sheeit. In fact, from what I can figure, he was probably a Jew of some kind.

    • pcmustgo

      I used to know a Pentecostal church that integrated Jamaicans and some poor white people in NY… upstate… not sure how that’s going , it was awhile back. I have a Caribbean friend who boasts about attending a diverse church. I think these people are worshipping diversity. Like, aren’t we godly, we’re diverse!

      • Weisheit77

        Good point… Worshiping diversity.

    • Sick of it

      In what state if you don’t mind my asking?

      • Samuel Hathaway

        Georgia

        • Sick of it

          I haven’t seen the like in Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, or Texas. Not with Baptist churches.

    • Sid Ishus

      I was a musician in a large Southern Baptist Church. Developed a severe case of cognitive dissonance and left.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    Why don’t the Baptists just admit that they’re all a bunch of racists? Whites love to go along with the left and point the finger of racism at other whites, but they refuse to admit that they just prefer the company of those like themselves. That’s one reason why we’re in the mess we’re in today.

    • pcmustgo

      Because most whites live in clueless white bubble worlds. Outside of online dating, they’ve never actually had to pick and choose. All their friends are white (well, Ok, except for that one Black or Asian) and they make friends through their friends. SO no, they are not even AWARE of the fact that they prefer other whites. They just somehow wind up with a 95%+ white social circle, without even questioning why that is. It just is.

    • Sick of it

      Southern Baptists do…around other white people. I’ve rarely seen any jump through hoops in other situations to prove they are not racist.

    • Secession

      The same reason no other white person wants to be labeled as a racist.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      I finally left the Baptist church i think it was in 2002… the pastor stood at the pulpit one Sunday and asked the congregation, “How many of you out there are prejudiced.”? How many of you would object if your daughter brought home a young man of color.”?

      Well, the pastors wife, whiter than Caspar the Friendly Ghost, sure didn’t bring home a man of color. She brought home her now pastor husband, white as she is. Well, if anything, he should be asking HER why she didnt date and marry a a man of color.

      • meanqueen

        Say it ain’t so . . . I admit I haven’t been to church in 15 years but, wow, just wow, that would have never happened the last time I was there. Where was this, do you mind saying?

        • Samuel Hathaway

          It happened at Rehobeth Baptist Church, in Tucker, GA. I got a phone call, believe it or not, to sign a petition in 2004 to get this pastor out. It had more to do with bringing in Charistmatic elements into the church, rather than is racial views.

          • John Smith

            Or that was the cover story.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        I wouldn’t object. I would disinherit and kick her out onto the street.

  • Good luck with that.

    Denominational leaders of all sorts have been banging these drums for decades. Yet, even now, Sunday is still the most segregated day of the week, and I mean that as a compliment.

    • Good point. In a church I attended many years ago, they used to talk about how all-inclusive they were. However, they had services in which the parishioners were clearly separated by race: The whites had their services at different time than the Hispanics and other racial groups.

      The whole thing was absurd and didn’t do a damn thing to bring any lasting unity between the various groups. We all kept to our own kind.

      Whites just don’t get it that humans are tribalistic by nature, and each of us prefers our own kind. This is natural and proper.

      • Samuel Hathaway

        The Catholic church down the street does the same thing It has regular, English speaking mass at the regular time, around 10:45 a.m. Then around 1 p.m. the Reconquistas come a ‘callin, packed in like sardines for the Spanish mass. I’ve been to the Spanish mass several times, and lordy, lordy, the colorful characters with their tattoos, ghetto dress and hordes of children under age 5 who can’t be quiet. It’s quite a scene.

        Then you have the Vietnamese coming in. As the Reconquistas file past the Vietnamese coming in for their turn, they pass each other without saying a word or hardly looking at each other. Diversity… experience the joys of our multi-ethnic society.

        • Ella

          Of course some whites will be the door greeters before Sunday morning masses.

          • benvad

            Who do think worked with the church to give sanctuary to these hordes? Yeah, that’s right, that smiling idiot holding open the door.

        • WR_the_realist

          That is why the Catholic church should have stuck with Latin.

      • Who Me?

        White people as a rule are curious, fearless and friendly. This is why we have made the advancements we have in every field of human endeavor. The young even more so. When the young are not taught caution from birth, they have no fear and become prey to non-whites with evil intent.

      • You see, bluffcreek, that’s the great thing about me getting older middle aged. I have enough years on my odometer such that I can honestly say I’ve been paying attention for awhile. And this bit about denominational leaders of one sort or another complaining about Sunday being so segregated and how we need more integrated churches is one of those Bill Murray Groundhog Day sort of stories. We read them over and over again, and nothing changes (thank goodness).

        Twenty years from now, there will be a story about some leader of some Christian denomination complaining about Sunday being the most segregated day of the week, and that there should be more integrated churches.

        Quite a few years ago, I was at a conference near Memphis at the same time some black church group from Nashville was meeting there. (As if Memphis already doesn’t have enough blacks, they had to bus more in from Nashville.) At one point, I passed by the room where they were holding their conference, I heard some black woman blurt out: “We need more diversity up here up in these churches!” And everyone of course hooted and hollered in agreement. Of course it didn’t make sense, because in order for their church to get literally more diverse, it would have to get less black and more non-black. I concluded at the time that it was just the sort of thing that blacks say because they think it sounds good coming out of their mouths and going into the ear of other know-nothing blacks, but none of them really know what it means. But now, that I have been able to see that the very definition of “diversity” is a moving goalpost, what I now think she meant by that was that white churches should have more blacks.

  • Easyrhino

    “In the church, a black Christian and a white Christian are brothers and sisters,”

    Sure, then why don’t they ever speak out publically against the epidemic of black on White violence.

    • pcmustgo

      Tell the Truth, Brother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Speak it!

    • Reynardine

      That’s why they shouldn’t marry, because that’s incestuous.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        No, it’s bestiality.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    That is why I have stopped donating money to Christian churches over this racial integration and helping minority nonsense. I still go to church because I should not be angry with God at what his priests do.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    God help us if the next pope is Black.

    • Alexandra1973

      The current pope is a Jesuit. After that a black one would likely be relatively harmless.

      • BulgAryan

        the OCA is close to 100% white
        www[dot]oca[dot]com

        • ShermanTMcCoy

          You wish.

    • pcmustgo

      Why would you care about the child-molesting pope-is-god Catholic church anyways? Worship god in your own way.

      • evilsandmich

        I can’t say as I care for anti-Catholic trolling, but what I can tolerate even less is the Catholic bureaucracy trolling their parishioners (and my befuddlement at the parishioners continuing to show up in order to be trolled; it’s like some religious 4chan).

      • BulgAryan

        Pope John Paul II: “Europe has two lungs, it will never breathe easily until it uses both of them”, thus hinting that the Catholic and Orthodox Church are both complementary lungs of the same body.

        Maybe you should use the healthier lung.
        the OCA is close to 100% white
        www[dot]oca[dot]com

        • ShermanTMcCoy

          No thanks. I’ll stay with the Russian Orthodox Church. The OCA is way too multiculti for me.

          • BulgAryan

            Good choice, especially ROCA. But not everybody speaks Russian, so the OCA is a good start. As are Timothy (Kallistos) Ware books – not perfect, but a good start.

      • TheHBD

        Like yeah dude…I mean what does two thousand years of carefully constructed theology mean anyways right? I mean that St. Thomas Aquinas guy didn’t know nuthin’ about nuthin’…just make up your own beliefs and stuff…

        It’s rather ironic that your name is ‘pcmustgo’ and you swallow the poison that the Leftist media feeds you. Seriously…if that’s the extent of your mental ability, you might feel at home on some other knuckle-dragging website. We like to have adult conversations here…

  • I hope people realize that these Baptist and ‘fundamental’ churches are NOT representative of all Christians. Baptists, historically, have not bought into the ‘we’re all the same’ multicultural myth. They recognized vast differences between the world’s different racial and ethnic groups.

    While the New Testament does teach Christians to proclaim the Gospel to all the nations, there is no suggestion or hint that God desires each nation to be filled with hordes of people who differ religiously, racially and culturally from one another.

    There is an ‘already-not yet’ aspect to New Testament eschatology in which all believers from various races (comprised as Christ’s Bride) will become one. But this will not be realized until AFTER Christ returns and the New Heavens are established.

    Many Christians, unfortunately, are attempting to accomplish NOW something that will not realized in its final form until much later. No wonder it never seems to work, even among churches that claim to be ‘all-inclusive’ and ‘non-racist.’

    • pcmustgo

      Tower of Babel

      • BloodofAlbion75

        The “Tower of Babel” will inevitably collapse just as surely (and painfully) as the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in NYC did on September 11,2001.

  • Dave4088

    There never seems to be any herculean effort to make synagogues and mosques more ethnically diverse.

    • Good point! Now that I think of it, you’re right. I never hear of black churches being rebuked for not having enough whites in their congregations. I never hear of Mosques and Synagogues being challenged to invite more whites and gentiles into their places of worship.

      In reality, as you already know, this whole thing about ‘integrating churches’ is just another attack on whites to show how ‘discriminatory’ and ‘racist’ they are. However, when the same principles are applied to other religions, we see that Christians are no different than anyone else.

      • It’s the usual suspects attacking Christianity. There’s nothing new under the sun.

      • BloodofAlbion75

        “this whole thing about ‘integrating churches’ is just another attack on whites to show how ‘discriminatory’ and ‘racist’ they are.”

        And that’s why Rev.Moore is such a natural and unsurprising leader in the effort to guilt-trip Christians into drinking from the unholy grail of “integration”: he is a “Christian” Cultural Marxist right down to the marrow of his disingenuous bones,and the “god” he really worships is the unholy trinity of Tolerance,Equality and Diversity!

  • Alexandra1973

    That’s why I go to an *independent* Baptist church.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      I prefer a real, Roger Williams, Baptist church

      • Alexandra1973

        As long as they preach the Word of God (in English preaching from the KJV 1611 Bible), that’s what matters.

  • Luca

    For 50 years the social engineers have been forcing racial integration in schools, at work, on television, in the movies, in housing etc. So far everything has failed. So of course their solution is to try more of the same and expect a different result.

  • Brian

    Right now you have two separate traditions. It’s not hurting anyone for it to be that way. Force them together and you lose the essence of both traditions. There is no greater enemy of actual diversity than today’s progressives. If it were up to them, the entire world would be a gigantic London or New York. Sure, you’d have your hodge podge of different languages and food styles all cramped in together, but there wouldn’t be any true heartland for anything, western or otherwise.

    • pcmustgo

      I live in NY… There’s tons of diversity but no integration… nothing is melting here.

      • LexiconD1

        Believe it or not, it’s mostly, like that here in CA, too. Lots of lip service, very little action.

      • BloodofAlbion75

        “nothing is melting here.”

        Nothing except the snow falling as a result of the blizzard pounding your part of the country. I hope you and your family remain safe during the current upheaval in the weather.

    • Sick of it

      White Baptists would not fit in with a black service. Way too different. And I mean the style alone.

  • Transpower

    I’m certainly not a Baptist, but I fail to see the merits of “integration.” If individuals voluntarily seek out their own kind, what is the problem?

  • Caucasoid88

    Church members make up the general vibe of the church. Black churches tend to feel da spirit and begin break-dancing to a bassy beat while the preacha man (in his shiny new bling unwittingly purchased by the congregation) injects a yo, get it sista! in between the voodoo-like nonsense.

    Churches will never integrate because blacks and whites see religion differently. It’s like trying to get blacks to go to a Michael Bublé concert.

    • Bryce Armstrong

      You don’t mention their funerals were they prop up a dead fambly member with a forty in hand and proceed to shuck and jive to the inspirational hymn’s of 50 Cent.

      • IstvanIN

        Here she is:

        • Lygeia

          How did they keep her from falling over?

          • IstvanIN

            Erector set?

          • A stick. Don’t ask where they put it.

            (Sorry.)

        • evilsandmich

          That’s a joke, right? (Please God let it be a joke…).

          • IstvanIN

            Nope, the real deal, took place in New Orleans.

        • She looks like she has the same bad attitude she had when she was alive. She’s got that typical entitled, piss-poor, ‘hate-the-white-man expression that a good majority of blacks have.

        • Reynardine

          Video, please.

        • meanqueen

          You’re not serious!

      • Sick of it

        Actually, blacks add various pagan rites to their funerals. I’ve heard of some pretty weird stuff.

    • pcmustgo

      Well. I’ve heard people on here say Blacks are hyper-religious, yet the least Christian people on earth in terms of their behavior. Tons of store-front churches, in the ghetto…. it’s all a “Show” for them. Like a voodoo ceremony, but Christian. I am not against “feeling the spirit” though myself, per se… I don’t think uptight white churches are great either. I don’t attend any church, just practice on my own.

      • Very true! As a cop who worked both the ghetto and barrio, I can personally attest to how many store-front churches there are in the black community. The ‘reverends’ are all ignorant, self-appointed charlatans, and the parishioners are over-emotional hoopla Christians who make a big show of their religiosity, but live like the Devil throughout the week.

      • Caucasoid88

        Blacks are hyper-religious, yet the least Christian people on earth in terms of their behavior.

        Bravo. Most blacks think that religion is a magic white juju bean that allows them to commit all kinds of sin with impunity. “I lubs dis relijun!”

  • JohnEngelman

    As long as blacks who wander into white churches are welcomed, the whites are living up to any responsibility they may have.

    • Alexandra1973

      I’ve seen one or two come and go at my church. I wonder if they’re put off by the fact that worship service is orderly and we don’t “swing from the chandeliers” as I’ve heard it put. Also, the church I attend is in a very White area.

      True story: This took place back in the 60s, when Dad was living in Detroit. One day he was drunk and he happened upon some holy-rollers. He thought they were having a party so he thought he’d join in. He told one woman her kid looked like a monkey. LOL They finally threw him out when they realized he was drunk.

      Another true story: Also back in the 60s, there was this black “revrum” going by the moniker of Prophet Jones. Dad said he used to sit on the fire escape at Fox Theatre in downtown Detroit (or whatever theatre) and watch the show. He would totally scam people out of money, and he was also a drug dealer. Do a Google search on him.

  • 4321realist

    “Leaders in nation’s largest Protestant denomination are preaching that integrated churches can be a key driver of racial justice in society.”
    Such an idiotic scheme will fall flat and only a fool would suggest such a thing.
    If these out-of-touch, mentally challenged, naïve fools, haven’t learned by now that the primitive cry of “racial justice” is just one more false excuse for criminal black behavior and refusal to acknowledge and condemn the crime and violence that is rife throughout their populations all over the country, they have no business being leaders of any group of whites. Black problems with police is, and always has been, out-of-control black crime and violence. It has nothing to do with race.
    Looking to obtain more black privileges through black terrorism, blacks and their liberal cohorts created a false scenario of calling legitimate police action against blacks “racial injustice” when it was no more than a response to vicious black conduct and behavior and attitudes. But it was enough to fool these white weenies into taking up the lie that has been brazenly created.
    These white fools are dumber than the blacks. If their followers are just as stupid and accept such a shameful scheme, then just stand back and watch the turmoil and trouble that will be occurring among them with blacks within their midst.
    Personally, however, I doubt many blacks will take them up on the absurdity, because they can’t engage in any kind of religious service with being able to clap, dance and sing, and Baptists just don’t do that.
    Disgusting fools.

    • pcmustgo

      Well, hey now, I do love me some gospel music. If I recall, White Southerners worship in a more colorful way too, some even with snakes. Gospel is not just Black right, but Southern?

      • Gospel is Southern. Check out Johnny Cash and The Carter Family for some great old gospel tunes.

      • meanqueen

        No, no! The snake thing is just in Appalachia among really weird low class fundies. It is not at all something that is done in normal Protestant southern churches. Same for speaking in tongues.

    • Robert Smith

      Rev. Moore is a bold and courageous man. He will lead by example and bring 5 foster home youfs into his home to love and nurture. If he will integrate his home then I’m sure the churches will follow. Good luck Rev. Moore.

  • dd121

    That doesn’t sound like the Southern Baptists I know.

  • pcmustgo

    I’m a Christian. Had some crazy spiritual experiences. Jesus and God said be nice to all people. It also said DON’T LIE…. hence, why I’m on Amren. Lying about Black’s (and other non-whites) poor, manipulative behavior is still LYING…

  • baldowl

    I was raised in a Southern Baptist church. I consider myself to be a cultural Christian.
    Christianity, especially this modern feel-good strain, can be blamed for being a major factor contributing to the demise of white people.

    • Sick of it

      The modern feel good strain is anti-Christ. It is the way of the Sadducee.

      • When anything goes, anything will. It is satanic.

  • LexiconD1

    I was raised Greek Orthodox (I’m an atheist now, however). Even though my church was located in the deepest part of Africa in my city, not one person of ‘diversity’ ever once attended. Heck, no one who wasn’t Greek (or married to one) attended. Even now.

    • I attended services at the local Greek Orthodox temple a couple of times. It was beautiful in every way and made me envious, in a way. I could never see myself joining (a Greek church should be for the Greeks) but felt honored to have witnessed such heartfelt, lovely worship. The Greek language is so nuanced and poetic.

      • Diws

        There are a lot of Antiochan Orthodox churches with services in English and a predominantly white American congregation.

        • If I could find one, I would probably join. It strikes me as a truly authentic way to worship.

          • Diws

            URL’s seem to be getting filtered out; if you go to Antiochan dot org, there is a fairly extensive parish directory. I am Greek Orthodox and a former Episcopalian – I will never forgive the liberals for what they have done to the church of my ancestors. I do understand your point about the ethnocentric nature of the Orthodox churches – it is their great strength and weakness.

          • Thank you!

      • LexiconD1

        Greek, Russian, Serbian…all the same church.

        • Interesting. They call it a temple here. I’d send you a link if Disqus enabled private messaging.

    • Holden

      Just curious. What do you think led to your loss of belief? Was the the Church as an institution or was it that faith as a whole no longer made sense?

      • LexiconD1

        I just never believed, even while attending church as a child. When I got older I was curious if I was alone…I wasn’t, one of my cousins, and my brother felt the same way. None of us are religious today. Although, we all ‘good people of character’…

  • Sick of it

    “The denomination eventually declared racism a sin, and in 2011 renewed
    efforts to reach out to Latinos, African-Americans and others. The next
    year, the denomination elected its first African-American president, the
    Rev. Fred Luter, Jr.”

    Who are these people? I’ve been around Baptists my entire life. We all know that differences exist between races. These people have no say in practically any, or any, white Southern Baptist church. Thus the segregated congregations. Did someone just make up this leadership from smoke and mirrors? Baptists are not big on centralized authority.

  • Lygeia

    Will they expect black churches to accept white parishioners? Or will they expect white churchs to accept black people. Wait. I know the answer to this one.

  • Secession

    Southerners are the most racially conscious whites in America. The future of white people in America lies in the South. Liberal northerners living in their comfortable white suburbs lack the awareness and conviction to preserve white heritage in America. As soon as the first black moves into their neighborhood they flee in terror. Have no doubt, there is no honor in “white flight”. It is a form of treachery and cowardliness. These are the types of people that are the first to run away on the battle field. I’m sure we will see greater numbers of northerners fleeing into Canada in the coming decades, while the true patriotic Southern nationalist Americana fight to defend their heritage an culture.

    • SentryattheGate

      Perhaps you’ve heard of the League of the South?

    • MBlanc46

      White flight is no more dishonorable than southern whites building private academies for their children in response to mandated school desegregation. In fact, it’s the same phenomenon, except that northern whites had to build entire neighborhoods, not merely schools, because their old neighborhoods were being over-run by Negro migrants from the South. Our elites betrayed us and people did what they had to do to save their families, “honor” be damned. This sort of sectional finger-pointing does us more harm than good. We need to be figuring out how to hang together or surely we will all hang separately.

    • Laura Dilworth

      And west

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    Sadly churches are no longer bastion of White civilization. They have caved into this DIE-versity agenda just to look trendy and welcoming. Now they play a major role in destroying western civilization.

    • Secession

      Huh? Which church exactly? Like this article states, most Southern baptist churches are still homogenous.
      The church is an extension of the people, if the people in your region choose to live a certain way then the churches will be like that as well. Just have a look at some churches in Northern Europe which are led by openly gay sodomites, their churches are like that because their societies are like that.

      • jayvbellis

        Tops of most all tax exempt churches are PC, multi cult – worship MLK and Mandela as saints.

        A big problem is childless women tend to take over these churches as they have so much free time.

        The a Episcopal nation Cathedral in Washington – led by some Hillary type PC womyn now does gay, transgender services, also welcomed Muslims to defile our church.

      • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

        True and what you said onlye bolsters my statement

  • A Freespeechzone

    Now they want to ‘brainwash’ those who don’t ‘fall into line’ with religion……I call it ‘re-education’ and NOT worship.

  • PouponMarx

    Anybody can walk in the door. This crap is the infusion and contamination of Marxist collectivism, where the behavior of large groups infers some sort of imagined pathology. Has anybody ever noticed the very large difference between White Protestant churches and Black churches? Whites don’t feel comfortable in over emotional under tow in Black churches and Blacks feel awkward in the refined and intellectually enhanced atmosphere of White churches. Plus, many Blacks may find themselves struggling to follow the sermon in its detail, structure, correct syntax and content and grammar.

    This is a neurotic, forced, false guilt endeavor that has all the wrong motives and antecedents.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    Worst are churches that encourage Latins to come in. Once they do, the whole church becomes Spanish speaking in a few years.

    • Secession

      Latin is a great European language.

      • IstvanIN

        He was talking about Spanish, which is not Latin and not the language of the US.

        • Secession

          Obviously i know what he was trying to say. But he said it wrong.

      • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

        Secession, don’t be a jerk. You know I meant the dreaded Hispanics. But I do agree that Latin is a great european language.

        • ShermanTMcCoy

          You know he was kidding, right?

  • bubo

    Remember the mid 90’s “Promise Keepers” started by that football coach from Colorado? I remember my friend’s dad taking him and him telling me that the announcer wanted people to get down and wash black men’s feet or some such to apologize for racism. I pretty much gave up on religion after hearing that.

    • Bryce Armstrong

      His daughter was a coal burner who was dating no talent Kordel Stewart in school. Didn’t you also see all those hysterical “guys” balling, and hanging on each other? It was truly a repulsive sight, that caused much mocking and laughter.

    • That was coach McCartney, who’s daughter Chrissie gleefully banged the entire team.

      • A vile, disgusting, coalburning race traitor. Sooner or later, coalburning always ends in tragedy.

      • bubo

        McCartney always came off as a creep.

      • John Smith

        Sports is the refuge of many white liberals, as evidenced by the typical sports journalist.like Olbermann, Costa, etc.

    • Sid Ishus

      Was invited to go to a PK event in Memphis. It was okay up to the end when they sprung that on us, told my crew I’d meet them at the bus and left.

      • jayvbellis

        Very good and well said.

        Kicking some of these pussies in the arse is also a good idea.

    • The Promise Keepers group was a disgusting, groveling, kiss-the-black-man’s-ass religious fad that actually taught that racial dissension could be healed if only enough white men apologized to blacks for slavery. These folks were not only clueless, but they didn’t have an ounce of racial consciousness in them.

      A lot of conservative and Reformed Christians spoke out against them, so not every Bible-believing Christian had jumped on the foolish bandwagon.

      • Samuel Hathaway

        In the beginning I had a favorable view of Promise Keepers, when it emphasized being honest family men, morality, good citizenship… then the racial thing happened and I never paid it any mind since.

    • jayvbellis

      Wash Black men’s feat…

      Now Rand Paul will soon lick the dog excrement boots of Black gan members leading the letting in Ferguson MO.

  • Congoids are certainly not my brothas or sistas … impossible … not the same species.

    • Bryce Armstrong

      They are some real muthas!

    • MBlanc46

      Fair enough, but be careful what you say about my mother.

  • TruthBeTold

    4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.” Rules for Radicals. Saul Alinsky.

    This tactic is used to guilt-trip Christians and others by trying to make them feel like hypocrites. That’s the means. The end is to destroy the institution itself.

  • BloodofAlbion75

    The infamous Russell Moore strikes again!

    Regardless of the impious pontificating by the likes of Rev.Moore and others who “think” like him,preferring to worship God among people of your own race is NOT a sin.

  • dean53

    Once upon a time I was a practicing Christian. Very devout, committed and anti-racist. I believe that being Christian and being racist are mutually exclusive. I had to choose. So I abandoned Christianity. I was tired of being condemned for normal, healthy, wholesome, natural instincts.

    • Lion’s Mane

      The Bible apparently lacks a clear and explicit statement of race-relations. There was great concern for racial purity in the O.T. (See Ezra Chapter 9) Our very instincts, coming from our evolutionary biological need to reproduce our kind, cannot be wrong. It is a higher and better choice to marry within one’s own race.
      And for the religious: Why would your God bother to create different races if he wanted them to mix and blend those differences into oblivion?

      • Robert Smith

        Your last statement paired with the Towel of Babel lesson is a powerful message. The reason there is no clear statement is probably because in those days “water is wet” didn’t need explaining.

  • De Doc

    Does that mean Jeremiah Wright will let whitey inside of his chapel?

    • WR_the_realist

      I’m sure he will. Of course whitey will have to enjoy being demonized and humiliated.

  • jayvbellis

    The Roman’s should have thrown all these guys to the lions and spared us all this.

    How cool if Diana Princess of the hunt was our religious model, and….

    Might Thor never turned the other cheek.

  • MBlanc46

    With the racial reconciliation movement, evangelical churches might find themselves as empty as mainline churches in a decade or so.

  • BulgAryan

    How old is your Church?

    If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

    If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry.

    If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

    If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

    If you are Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Senbury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

    If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1606.

    If you are of the Dutch Reformed Church, you recognize Michelis Jones as founder because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.

    If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1774.

    If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, New York, in 1829.

    If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

    If you are Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.

    If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as “Church of the Nazarene, Pentecostal Gospel,” “Holiness Church,” or “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past hundred years.

    If you are Roman Catholic, your church shared the same rich apostolic and doctrinal heritage as the Orthodox Church for the first thousand years of its history, since during the first millennium they were one and the same Church. Lamentably, in 1054, the Archbishop (Pope) of Rome broke away from the other four Apostolic Patriarchates (which include Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem), by tampering with the Original Creed of the Church, and considering himself to be infallible. Thus your church is just short of 1,000 years old.

    If you are Orthodox Christian, your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It has not changed since that time. Our church is now almost 2,000 years old. And it is for this reason, that Orthodoxy, the Church of the Apostles and the Fathers is considered the true “one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.” This is the greatest legacy that we can pass on to the young people of the new millennium.

    • Alexandra1973

      If you are a Catholic, your church started with Constantine in the 4th century.

      If you are an independent, fundamental Baptist, you are not a Protestant. Seriously.

      • BulgAryan

        Well, Baptist is just another of hundreds Protestant denomination. The Orthodox love and embrace all Heterodox Christians, most are received through Christmation only (Baptism is valid).

    • Nonsense! The mark of Christian authenticity is not weighed by how long a organization or church building has been around. Rather, it’s by faithfulness to apostolic teaching as taught and modeled in the New Testament. In other words, fidelity to the actual teachings of God’s Word.

      I don’t have the time or space to go into it now, but the Orthodox Christian Church, while faithful in some matters, has radically departed from apostolic ecclesiology (doctrine and practice of the church) with its hierarchical, man-made traditions that stand in start contrast to the lowly, unofficial, non-professional and non-clerical forms of the early churches.

      For example, while Jesus condemned official and honorific titles given to religious leaders (Matthew 23), the Roman Catholic Church, Orthodox churches, and most Protestant churches in direct violation of their Master’s own words routinely give lofty and exalted titles to their leaders. The apostles and each church leaders were humble and didn’t follow the way of the world by exalting their leaders. Instead, they chose lowly, non-official, non-clerical terms such as elder, shepherd, overseer, etc. These were not used as titles either, but were functional terms to describe the task of leading and shepherding God’s people.

      Local church leadership was also plural. Churches were led by a plurality of godly men, and not one man alone known as “the Pastor,” “Senior Pastor” or “the Bishop.”

      Lastly, the local church was marked by a polyform ministry and the mutual participation of spiritual gifts as opposed to a pew-sitting event in which a few clerically ‘ordained’ men perform ministry on behalf of others. In other words, church meetings among the apostolic churches were marked by an every-member ministry and mutual edification as opposed to a pew-potato religious ceremony.

      Nope, the Orthodox Christian Church doesn’t meet these basics of NT ecclesiology, and this is partly why those who have bothered to seriously reconsider what the NT says about church practice have rejected them.

      The Orthodox Christian Church only demonstrates that humans always want their visible popes and ‘holy men’ in order to replace Christ as the True and Chief Shepherd of His elect.

  • ViktorNN

    Christianity is slowly dying in white countries.

    Want to kill it even faster? Force white churches to integrate through politically-correct browbeating and Christianity will be dead in white communities within a couple generations.

    • Spikeygrrl

      Good riddance to bad rubbish.

      • meanqueen

        I’m not eager to see Christianity die. Christianity and Judeo-Christian values have been the foundation of this country until recently, when some resolved to destroy that. I just wish they wouldn’t get sidetracked into stupid stuff like this. Whatever happened to “good fences make good neighbors”? Let worshippers be among their own kind where they are most comfortable, and periodically hold some joint regional events to satisfy that urge to see everyone as a brother/sister.

        • Spikeygrrl

          The VALUES which were adopted first by Jews and subsequently by Christians are a good thing. These two religions claimed and codified the civilizational concepts and behaviors which amounted to a “best practices” manual for individuals and groups. That’s pretty impressive for a species still in its childhood!

          However, Humankind is older now, and no longer needs an imaginary supernatural being to enforce those best practices with a carrot and a stick. So: ABSOLUTELY keep the “rules,” but for Pete’s sake aren’t we as a species old enough yet to lose the various Flying Spaghetti Monsters…or at the very least to keep them out of government?!

          That being said, those who insist on a supernatural being to reward and punish Humankind should be free to worship in their own ways, but not to claim superiority over those who don’t need a supernatural crutch in order to follow the rules.

          And btw, “good fences make good neighbors” is among my favorite quotations. I wrote a whole paper on it for an undergrad ethics class — back when dinosaurs walked the Earth. 🙂

          • Lion’s Mane

            The rejection of Evolution and Science by fundamentalist types is of great concern to me. The biblical creation story is so obviously a myth that it’s the height of childish thinking to take it literally.

          • Alexandra1973

            Evolution has never been established by true science. Ever.

            I believe in Big Bang–God spoke and BANG it happened! LOL

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            Then whence the barely human black?

          • Robert Smith

            The spontaneous generation myth, a.k.a. “evolution theory”, requires just as much faith for its acceptance as does the Biblical account. Natural selection is not evolution. If it was conclusive, as with the heliocentric theory of the solar system, then we wouldn’t see the name calling and attempts at shaming those who are skeptical. The destruction of Christianity is aided by the theory of evolution in the minds of those politicizing science for their agenda. Regardless of which origination theory you have faith in, biological science marches forward. This is a clusterf-q diversion that is just another front in the dividing of our people.

          • Lion’s Mane

            Your posts are gracious, very thoughtful, and well articulated, and, for my part, I greatly appreciate them. In this case, however, you are simply mistaken. It is not my desire to offend or exclude Christians, and I certainly do not want to divide our people. The fact is, in my opinion, that we are already divided on this question, and the only question remaining is that of how to manage that tension. I was raised a fundamentalist and anti-evolution Northern Baptist church — which is now Southern Baptist — and my family remain fundamentalists. They are disloyal to their race — and very angry at me for being a ‘racist’ — for the reasons discussed in this article above on Southern Baptists. BTW, I used also to reject evolution for religious reasons.

            I can address the points you raise in this post, but to do this requires a huge expenditure of time and effort. It’s a deep subject, and there’s a lot to talk about here. And, sadly, in the end, few people ever change their minds from mere debates, whether online or in person. Most people believe what they WANT to believe. So much so, in fact, that I am not sure whether people are even capable of deciding for themselves what to believe in matters of religion.

          • Robert Smith

            I was able to read your unedited version yesterday. I think it is unfair to hold the Bible to the standards of a modern science textbook. Firstly, it was not intended as such. It’s a historical narrative/revealed wisdom book 2000 years old. Your belief is that the creation story is immature. I think trying to hold it to a standard other than it’s intended purpose is also immature.
            I agree it is impossible to debate the issue in this forum. I personally see it as a waste of time in any forum. Natural selection is obvious, and we see the results around us. That is good enough for our purposes. We simply must be mature enough to avoid the internal squabbles that bear no fruit.
            How you and I have “managed the tensions” is the correct way. We disagree, but that disagreement is inconsequential. There are bigger fish to fry. As you can imagine, my views as expressed here, are about as welcome at a church as yours would be at your local Ethical Society.

          • Garrett Brown

            How convenient of you to support an atheistic society in a Christian one while your children will have to suffer your wish coming to reality.

            Any person who wished to live in an atheistic, thus Communist, Jewish run society is an absolute fool. But hey, look who’s making the comment, good ol’ Spikey grill.

      • Lion’s Mane

        We have to deal with the hard truths of the human condition, not some religious or political ideology that denies the very existence of these truths because we would prefer a simpler solution.

      • ViktorNN

        I’m an atheist, but not a militant one.

        As a white Euro-American I can feel affinity and respect for the amazing historical and cultural legacy of Christianity. This respect extends to not picking needless fights with fellow white people who are Christians.

        But there is a deep, unavoidable problem with Christianity that can’t be gotten around – it’s universalism, that is, the idea that Christianity is a religion for all, and that Christians should try to convert everyone.

        Christianity’s universalism has been continually used as a wedge to divide those with strong racial loyalty apart from those who are convinced that “we are all equal before God” (or whatever).

        If one must be religious, then I think it’s better to follow an indigenous religion that originated with one’s own racial or ethnic group. Unfortunately for those of us of Euro descent, those religions were wiped out by Christianity – a real crime in our racial history.

        • ShermanTMcCoy

          Christianity is indeed a religion for all . . .
          humans.

        • Spikeygrrl

          Spot on. I don’t dislike Christians, unless they keep proselytizing me after I have asked them nicely — twice — to please stop. If there really is a single, universal god (ess?), I can’t fathom why he (she?) would want his (her?) believers to rush around being a pest to other people.

          • ViktorNN

            [Yeah, don’t get me started on how little sense Christianity makes…]

    • Robert Smith

      It is my opinion that traditional Christianity is the best defense to the cultural destruction of America and the West. Commie-Christianity is just another attack on the culture. These same destructive ideas have infected not only Christianity (Protestant and Catholic), but environmentalism, education, business, health care, etc. moral strength as a group is our only hope. Weaken the morals, destroy the nation.

      • Well said.

      • ViktorNN

        Christianity may (or may not) be the best defense to the destruction of Western Civilization, but today’s white Christians aren’t doing a particularly great job of defending – especially when it comes to the problems of immigration, race displacement, and anti-white “anti-racism.”

        • Robert Smith

          Can you name a white group that is? Point is, there are pockets of sanity in all camps. The majority of all groups are seriously compromised.

  • IKUredux

    Here’s the way I feel about integration. If you want to do it, do it. If you don’t want to do it, nobody on the face of this earth should have the power to make you do something you don’t want to do.What the hell happened to being an American? Why does being an American today, require an asterisk? Because it does! EVERYBODY in this God forsaken country is an ASTERISK American. If you asterisk an entire country, you have no country.

  • Whirlwinder

    Uhuh, you Baptist leaders wander about in your gated communities and count the number of your black neighbors. Rave on fools. Multiculturalism does not work!

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    This is the height of Christian stupidity. I know a very beautiful white girl dating a fat ugly Jamaican negro. I asked her if her dad did not say anything and she said that he said that everyone is equal in the eyes of God. Guess what, her dad is a graduate student of Christian theology and Divinity. I wonder what he will say when he has ugly mullatoe kids.

    • Lion’s Mane

      I never read in the Bible that “everyone is equal in the eyes of God.” In fact, in several places I read quite the opposite (e.g., Noah, Abraham, and King David were all favored by God over others, we are told).

      • Robert Smith

        It says to, “…make disciples of all nations…”, not to integrate with all nations as we are doing. Christians didn’t have a big problem with this until the 20th century. Our interpretations have been skewed. You might say we have hemlock in our hermeneutics.

      • Alexandra1973

        I think the reference is “God is no respecter of persons.”

        Still doesn’t mean there aren’t physical differences between the races.

    • John Smith

      She’s not related to the Boehner family, is she?

      • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

        No LOL. Funny you should say that. When I see her I do remember John Boehner and his mudshark daughter. She too married a Jamaican. This Jamaican does not have dredlocks like Boehner’s son in law. He is just fat and his fat wobbles when he walks. I cannot understand what this mudshark white girl sees in him.

        • John Smith

          BBC?

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            WHat is BBC??

          • John Smith

            Big Black —-.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            LOL!!!

    • crockadoodle6

      Corrupted DNA of the children is only a small part of the problem. She will be abused and deserted. And as low as her self-esteem must be for her to sleep with a monkey, it will be worse when he takes the possessions and leaves without any chance of child support or alimony. She is better off mating with an oak tree. At least it will give you shade and can’t run away.
      There are two consistent observations I have made over a 65+ yr life: 1. A black has never bought a bicycle. They are all stolen
      2. A black man will always cheat on a white woman.
      Both traits are genetic.

  • model1911

    I left a church whose pastor is know around the world, very conservative and a Bible preacher. I left because there were many blacks in the church. God love all his children and all that. But they couldn’t control themselves with all the ‘Praise God’, “oh yes Jesus’ and making sure everyone knew they were there “hey look at me’. Very disruptive to hearing the pastor preach. Well that’s just the black way.They ruin everything.

    • Alexandra1973

      At my church, 99% White, you hear an “Amen” here and there but it doesn’t bother me. At least they’re not doing it for show.

  • Earl Turner

    Southern Baptist Leaders. Ah yes. The well-to-do Pharisees living in all-white gated communities who believe that only those who can afford to do so should be able to live and work and worship apart from Diversity. They look down on us middle class working folk and laugh quietly to themselves, “diversity for thee but not for me!”
    They would never tolerate the diversity in their own churches that they want for others, just as they would never allow Section 8 housing anywhere near their gated communities nor for their precious white children to attend school with the same non-white children ours are expected to be culturally enriched by. Why would they expose themselves to their biological weapons? The teaspoon of manure is meant for our gallon of vanilla ice cream, not theirs.

    • newscomments70

      They sound like Malibu liberals…same thing. Ask “babs” if she wants section 8 on her street.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    No wonder thanks to these stupid white liberals, the blacks wants Jesus to be a Negro and to celebrate Kwanzaa. The other races also think that Jesus was a brown skinned Semite or a partial negro.

  • John Smith

    Knowing Southern Baptists, I don’t see this changing anytime soon, and that’s a good thing.

  • Earl P. Holt III

    Time to retire that bunch of collaborators…

  • ShermanTMcCoy

    Assuming these subhumans actually have souls, heaven will be soon enough for me to start associating with them.

    • IstvanIN

      They’ll be there, too?

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        Questionable, I’d say.

  • Who Me?

    Who are these loons calling for the integration of churches? White people spend five days a week working with or around blacks. The last thing they want to do is spend another day with them. (And unpaid, at that.)
    Blacks don’t want WT breathing down his neck at church, either. Church, at least, should be one place where he can mingle with his own kind and say what he wants to without being overheard by “da man”.
    Did anybody ask Jeremiah Wright if he wanted Whites sitting in his pews listening to him spewing hatred and calling for destruction and genocide?

  • Samuel Hathaway

    I never participated in the Mass. I only was an observer. The thought of drinking from the same cup as 100 or people before me really wasn’t my idea of Christian inspiration.

  • John Smith

    Finally gots hisself a cackalacky….

  • WoodyBBad

    Church is the last place one can choose with whom he associates, without government-enforced diversity. The self-segregation of congregations seems like the natural order of things.

  • WoodyBBad

    Should just go back to Latin.