CUNY: Don’t Address Students as ‘Mr.’ or ‘Ms.’

Mike Vilensky, Wall Street Journal, January 26, 2015

“Mr.,” “Mrs.” and “Ms.” are being shown the door at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York.

In a new policy that has sparked debate among academics, school staffers have been advised to refrain from using gendered salutations in correspondence with students–and instead use a student’s full name, according to an internal memo sent out earlier this month.

The directive pertains specifically to administrators’ written interactions with students and prospective students, said Tanya Domi, a school spokeswoman. But the memo says the policy should be “interpreted as broadly as possible” and was sent to all faculty at the Graduate Center.

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The policy goes into effect during the Spring 2015 semester at the Manhattan public university, where some 5,000 students study in doctoral and master’s programs.

The memo, signed by interim Provost Louise Lennihan, calls the policy part of the Graduate Center’s “ongoing effort to ensure a respectful, welcoming and gender-inclusive learning environment . . . and to accommodate properly the diverse population of current and prospective students.”

The memo came after wide consultation with many faculty, staff and students at the Graduate Center, said Ms. Domi, a school spokeswoman. She also said the school was “working within a regulatory framework to comply with Title IX legal principles,” a federal statute banning gender discrimination in educational settings that receive government funding.

Saundra Schuster, an attorney and Title IX consultant for universities, said the statute is intended to protect individuals from gender discrimination–no matter how they identify their gender, including transgender individuals. But, she added, “to say they must [bar gendered salutations] because of the law is ridiculous.”

“I love the concept,” she said, “but they are not mandated to do this.”

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Some people said the policy showed sensitivity to students who identify as transgender.

Gendered salutations represent “an outdated and unnecessary formality [that] serves no purpose other than to label and risk misrepresentation,” said Allison Steinberg, a spokeswoman for the Empire State Pride Agenda, an advocacy group for gay and transgender people. “We’re hopeful this gesture will inspire others . . . to follow in CUNY’s innovative footsteps.”

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At other CUNY schools, some faculty members eyed the new policy warily. Joseph Borelli, a Republican state Assemblyman, said he hoped the policy wouldn’t spread to CUNY’s College of Staten Island, where he teaches a politics course.

“If a student asked me to call him ‘Godzilla,’ I would happily call him ‘Godzilla’ or whatever anyone asked to be called,” Mr. Borelli said. “But we do not need another ultra PC policy change.”

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  • Just say “yo dawg.” That should be culturally sensitive enough.

    • propagandaoftruth

      Kinda reminds me of the “Buddy Jesus” thing from that movie…

      Bet those guys/girls wouldconsider even Buddy to be a microagression.

    • David Ashton

      Dear Cur

      • stewball

        On Israel from first grade up children call their teachers by their first names and teachers do the same with their pupils.
        i don’t remember teachers calling pupils Mr or Miss.

        • David Ashton

          “Call no man father, rabbi or master” (Matthew 23.8-10).

          “There was this guy in the Turkish bath and a rabbi looked him over and said, ‘I didn’t realize you were Jewish too.’ ‘I’m not,’ the man replied. ‘I just had this tragic accident with a tin-opener.'” Boom, boom!

          “We don’t wish to know that. Kindly leave the shul.”

          • stewball

            Make up your mind. Turkish bath or shul?

          • David Ashton

            Wake up, Stewball! The joke was TOLD in the synagogue.

          • stewball

            DAH!!!! Sorry.

          • David Ashton

            Which reminds me to get a copies of David Mintoff’s & Michael Winner’s collections of Jewish Jokes. But as Kirk Douglas supposedly said, only Jews are allowed to make Jewish jokes – anyone else is an “anti-Semite”.

            Incidentally, I have written a serious article on Jesus as a humorist, tactfully not mentioning the anti-Jewish Fourth Gospel’s story of “Our Lord” seeing Nathaniel studying under a tree and remarking – in our modern idiom – “What an HONEST Jew-boy, for Heaven’s sake!” Boom, boom! Kindly leave the Church.

          • stewball

            I remember max Miller. Is it American Jewish jokes or English ones? Big difference between their Yiddish jokes and ours.
            Jesus a humorist! That’s a good one. As in father they know not what they do?

          • David Ashton

            I hadn’t thought of the last one, but probably not intended as black humor in the circumstances. The “joke” was left to his opponents, wagging their heads in imitation of the only movements he could make on a cross and “mishearing” his desperate cry to God.

            His preaching is peppered with amusing items not immediately obvious to modern readers; for example, the production of a coin on Temple precincts is even a practical joke played on his critics which readers of the text completely miss by concentrating on the apparent banality of his “answer” about giving to Caesar. He was a master of sarcastic repartee, which infuriated his opponents and delighted his supporters. The best example is swallowing a camel, which is not only pictorial but accompanied by words which in the original Aramaic make gobbling and sucking noises.

            Maybe (health & time permitting) I shall extend the article published by The Quarterly Review one day and put it on the internet; at present, I am working on an essay about the Resurrection which could well lose my remaining Christian friends.

          • stewball

            Will that leave you with only Jewish friends? 😉

          • David Ashton

            To say that some of one’s best friends are Jewish is usually considered a proof text of anti-Semitism!

            I propose that reported postmortem apparitions of Jesus could have resulted from the use psychoactive substances in shared meals.

            Let’s leave it there for now.

          • stewball

            I yi captain.
            Good night David. Be well.

          • David Ashton

            Biz shpeter.

          • stewball

            WHat?

          • David Ashton

            Google it.

            I don’t know about you, but in Olde England it’s just on midnight & I’m turning in.

          • stewball

            2am here.

  • Drifter745

    Insanity on display.

    • APaige

      I wish there were only two choices, Mr. or Mrs., it is difficult to tell if a woman is married.

      • Juggernaut3000

        These days it is difficult to tell if one is a male or female.

    • BulgAryan

      speech control as mind control

    • Juggernaut3000

      It is in no way insanity although it may appear that way to you.

      The Cultural Marxists who enforce their sick dogma of all races and genders being equal in every day know exactly what they are doing, and they are far from insane.

      It is a part of their evil plan to genocide the White race.

  • LHathaway

    You can bet if they have a phd they will insist on being called ‘doctor’. They love it when their hatred is given sanction.

    • SFLBIB

      In the early ’60s, I had a woman PhD professor for poly sci and was warned ahead of time to watch how I addressed her. One poor student hadn’t heard about it and addressed her as “Mrs. … ” instead of “Dr. …” The whole class had to endure a 20 minute lecture on the PhD degree.

      Her doctorate was in some aspect of music, and students kidded [not to her face] that she had a doctorate in harp.

      The only ones I have encountered who were sensitive about their title were two women: the poly sci professor and Senator Bow-Wow.

      • LHathaway

        It certainly exists outside the university, as well. I’m not so sure these ‘cigenders’, or the gender benders, actually, as so much different from the lady you discussed. I’m reminded of the three men in the boat in the film ‘Jaws’. The boat captain, working class guy (as the filmed accented it), turns to Dr. Hooper, the oceanographer – he tells him, “It shows one thing Mr. Hooper, you don’t have enough education to admit when you are wrong”.

        • SFLBIB

          That’s her.

      • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

        Yeah, women are usually like that. I had the same experience with a woman professor who got upset that I called her Ms. instead of Dr. It did not say on her profile that she had a doctorate and she sent me an email blasting me about that. BTW, she did not call me Mr. but by my first name when she emailed me back. So that tells you that he has false pride. I bet your woman Phd professor was one of the first feminists that used her degree to spred liberal posion in the early 60s. One thing, was she a semite?

        • SFLBIB

          I don’t know her background. Like your professor, she seemed to lack confidence if she’s that sensitive about it. Not very tolerant, either, if you ask me. After all a student might not know about her PhD. Made me wonder if she is that sensitive, why didn’t she have a nameplate made up for her desk?

  • Luca

    They all need to be in mental institutions not in academia.

    • Juggernaut3000

      They need to be stopped. Now. With whatever it takes.

    • SFLBIB

      Are you sure there are enough mental institutions?

  • Visceral

    Once again the majority has to change to accommodate the minority….

  • How about we all just limit our greetings to “Wass-Up?” “Yo” “Gnomesayin?” and assorted grunts and crotch-grabbing.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      I once had to call a black woman, who, when she ans. the phone I addressed her as “Ms.” ——” She immediately snapped and said, “no, no, no, no, no’…. It’s REVEREND —–” Rather than call her Reverend in order to correct myself, I simply replied, “Okay.”

      • Sick of it

        I’ve never never referred to ANYONE as Reverend. I would have just hung up the phone.

        • Samuel Hathaway

          I don’t care for the title Reverend, either. Sounds kind of creepy, really.

      • Juggernaut3000

        Next time slammed down the phone.

      • Tim

        I had a pimp try to correct me once, hoping I would forget about him stalling on the $6.00 for Cognac he owed me. I said, “That`ll be six bucks for the Cognac.” And he said, “You may address me as Lord Leigh…” So I said, “Six @#$%ing dollars for the Cognac, NOW!, Your Highness…”

      • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

        Imagine Al and Jesse calling themselevs REVEREND, when they are nothing but worthless money grabbing race hustlers.

  • Dave West

    This is classic commie-leftist thinking at its finest.

    A custom that has been around since god knows when, has worked well, and is not a problem for nearly the entire population is considered “flawed” because it makes 0.3% of the population feel “left out.”

    • Ah, I see you’re a man well-verse in ‘liberal logic’ – which is nothing more than irrational and convoluted complexities masquerading as informed opinion.

      Liberals are determined to ‘fundamentally transform’ everything – even in the way we address each other!?

    • Anna Tree

      Doublespeak: disguising the nature of the truth.

      According to William Lutz: “Only by teaching respect and love for the language can teachers of English instill in students the sense of outrage they should experience when they encounter doublespeak.” “Students must first learn to use the language effectively, to understand its beauty and power.” “Only by using language well will we come to appreciate the perversion inherent in doublespeak.”

      • SFLBIB

        Political correctness: the rejection of truth that conflicts with ideology. You have to pretend not to know some things you do know. The Emperor’s New Clothes is the perfect allegory for political correctness.

        • Anna Tree

          Political Correctness was first only white lies, to not say something because it was not polite to others. But indeed nowadays PC has completely morphed into Doublespeak: what was omission has now become the official truth, what was omitted “on behalf of social harmony” is now claim to be lies.

    • B.A_2014

      I doubt Stalin or Trotsky would have had anytime for these freaks.

    • BlueSonicStreak

      Really? I’ve always found gendered salutations to be a pain at best, and never really understood why they existed. Or at least, why they are still used.

      Using everyone’s name seems completely reasonable to me. Don’t know what’s wrong with this policy that everyone is making a fuss over. I’d be pleased with it.

  • dd121

    This has not a thing to do with Title IX. It has everything to do with extreme cultural marxism run a muck. Next they’ll demand men sit to pee.

    • Alexandra1973

      I heard they were already doing that in some places…making boys sit down.

      • dd121

        I think they tried to shame boys into doing that in Sweden. Don’t know how that little experiment turned out.

        • Alexandra1973

          Yeah, that’s where it was, Sweden.

  • TomIron361

    Tanya Domi is just another poor lesbian beast.

  • Bryce Armstrong

    Instead of Mrs. and Ms., I motion change it to b*tch and ho respectively.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      We’ve come a long, long way since the polite culture of the Donna Reed Show and Leave It Beaver.. just TV shows, of course, but they did reflect the manners and customs you saw and experienced in real life, like always calling grown-ups Mr, Mrs. or Miss.

  • IstvanIN

    This is simply NUTS!

  • Steve_in_Vermont

    I like the idea. When I visit this school please refer to me as “Your Majesty”, “Your Highness” or Sir Steven. I’ve always wanted a title, without all the bother of working for it.

    • Usually Much Calmer

      Sir Steven? SAINT Steven will remain, all he lost he shall regain.

      • Steve_in_Vermont

        Modesty prevented me for reaching for so high a title.

  • exlib93

    Would they prefer “comrade”?

    • Nan

      Da.

    • David Ashton

      Not for enemies of the People.

  • MekongDelta69

    …the Graduate Center’s “ongoing effort to ensure a respectful, welcoming and gender-inclusive learning environment . . . and to accommodate properly the diverse population of current and prospective students.”…. said Ms. (which should be Miss) Domi, a school spokeswoman.

    Uh oh – UH OH – They just broke their own insane, Orwellian rule!
    From now on, refer to Domi as a spokesthing.

    ALL these people… uhh… I mean, ‘its’… came straight out of Bellevue and Creedmoor mental hospitals.

    “Diverse” = Heshewhat

    • IstvanIN

      The EU parliament tried to force the British delegation to replace Mrs. and Miss with Ms. They refused. There isn’t much to admire about the UK these days, but that is a small one. Not enough to save the kingdom, of course.

  • Tarczan

    This goes along well with the Congressional expression “Gentilelady”. Gawd, what a tortured phony word. It hurts your ears.

    • Nan

      What would they say if she was Jewish?

    • Kenner

      The Honorable Shiksa…

  • TheCogitator

    When will they decide that separate sex (gender for the younger generation) bathrooms are no longer allowed? Wait, in some ways they have. Those folks who cannot makeup their minds about what they are get to chose. I think they get to decide differently from day to day. Had they had that sort of nonsense when I was in high school, a bunch of us guys would have decided we were girls during gym class so we could go in the showers with them.

    • Juggernaut3000

      IN West Hollywood (the gay capital of S.California):

      No label required on West Hollywood’s gender-neutral bathrooms

      http //www latimes com/local/westside/la-me-gender-neutral-restrooms-20150115-story html

  • They can address me as “The Claw of Nyarlathotep”. This would save them much trouble. I prefer “Michael”, who also had quite a reputation.

    • MartelsGhost

      “It wields the promise of knowledge that when revealed does nothing but cause fear, terror and apprehension.”

      Beautiful. Love the reference………….

      I am henceforth to be called Capt. Lincoln F. Sternn……..

  • Samuel Hathaway

    Growing up in the South, we always were careful to address anyone older than us, outside older siblings or cousins, as Mr., Mrs., or Miss. Not Ms.. didn’t know about that one till later. This was always a good social arrangement, no one ever complained about it or thought it should be changed. And it shouldn’t be changed today, either.

    • meanqueen

      When I was growing up in the south, and I’m not THAT old either, you said ma’am and sir and anyone who didn’t was either a northerner or white trash.

      • Samuel Hathaway

        Yes sir ,and yes ma’am… blacks say it more often than whites, believe it or not.

        • WoodyBBad

          No, they usually say, “Yassuh” or “Yess’m”. Oh nevermind, that was the movies.

  • LeonNJ

    Outdated? Outdated my pale hairy backside! Liberalism is a mental disorder.

  • Magician

    Senor! Senorita!

    • Samuel Hathaway

      yeah what to do about Senor y Senorita? If one thing strikes the ire of hispanics, its trifling with their culture. This mess with doing away with Mr, Mrs. or Miss deserves laughable contempt.

  • MartelsGhost

    Does this mean I can also stop calling them students and just start referring to them by their more appropriate title………”lemmings”.

  • John Smith

    Do they use “dawg,” “homes,” and “esé” now instead?

  • Alexandra1973

    I’m a Mrs. No Miss, and certain no Ms.

    • MBlanc46

      Alas, not at the CUNY graduate center.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      Mrs. means you’re married.

      Miss means your single, hot and available.

      Ms. means it’s a SECRET.

      • superlloyd

        Ms. usually means you’re a dyke and/or feminazi.

        • Alexandra1973

          I have to agree there.

  • Musashi5000

    Schuster and Steinberg….what a shock.

  • De Doc

    This is definitely a ‘Down the Rabbit Hole’ approach to everyday language use.

  • Luca

    In the mental institutions they’re not allowed to teach.

  • Douglas Quaid

    It’s all egalitarianism run amok, they believe in equality so much that they need to obliterate even the most obvious distinctions among people, be it race, sex, size, intelligence, competence, etc. This is why we have 90 lb female “firefighters” dragging bodies out of burning houses, egalitarianism refuses to acknowledge that perhaps being a fireman, whoops, “firefighter”, is probably not the appropriate line of work for her, whoops that’s a gender loaded word, I mean that person. If we recognize there are differences this means we aren’t equal and we all know that to acknowledge inequality is a thought crime.

  • Itooktheredpill

    I was born and raised in NYC. Its the new Babylon. The amount of freaks,drug addicts, liberals and brain dead that infect the place is beyond the tipping point.

    I currently live and study in Europe. I feel like my soul has been rejuvenated and cleansed since leaving that place and coming here.

    While I am a big believer in the power of genetics I do believe environment and the type of people you surround yourself does play some role. To put it mildly its good to be amongst the living again.

  • archer

    Flouride, vaccinations with mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, etc, I’d say we’ve all been made a little crazy.

  • Juggernaut3000

    “Mr.,” “Mrs.” and “Ms.” are being shown the door at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York.

    Using those terms is a sign of respect, as opposed to calling someone one doesn’t know by his first or last name only, or “hey you.”

    Cultural Marxist dogma, enforced on most campuses nation-wide, dictates that Whites be cut down to size, debased and denigrated and gender be eliminated as oppressive.

    We are all equal, except those who dictate the terms of Cultural Marxism.

  • Juggernaut3000

    They aren’t trying to prove a thing. They are trying to eliminate White, Western Culture and the White race that created it. Control of mainstream, traditional White churches is a part of this process.

    We are not in a self-induced decline, we are being subjected to conditions forced and imposed on us by force, conditions that the UN deems as genocide if it were any race except White.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      The immigration policy, dating back to 1965 plays fine into eliminating whites as a majority, and perhaps whites completely by year 2100. By that time, if current immigration trends continue, whites will be less than 10% of the total population. A tragic scenario, indeed. And the disappearance of our nation.

  • meanqueen

    I know! How about “Comrade”?

  • JustSayin

    “Inmate” is a more fitting salutation for these cultural marxists professors.

  • WR_the_realist

    This is never any end to the madness of political correctness.

  • shmo123

    It cracks me up to see these idiot academics twist themselves in knots in order to be “inclusive” and try to accommodate even the most ridiculous social deviancy. It’s like trying to stay clean while wrestling in a mud puddle.

  • I address women as “babe.” And I address black men as “boy”; is that okay?

  • SFLBIB

    Anything that is more than one generation old has to be jettisoned as too old and outdated.

    “What started as a demand for basic civil rights has mutated into a Leftist demand to overturn the whole society, along with its traditions and norms, its standards
    and laws, its history and heroes.” — L. Auster

  • SFLBIB

    Women have “Miss”, “Mrs.”, and “Mzz.” to choose from, while men have only “Mr.” I demand equality. Let’s adopt the French method whereby only the first initial “M.” is used.

    • Alexandra1973

      100 years ago young boys had the title of Master, then as adults they became Mister.

      • WoodyBBad

        Master was dropped at the age of 12, at least in my family. It was usually used only in correspondence for us.

      • SFLBIB

        Proof of the war on boys.

  • Mark Hillyard

    Someone pointed out that this third WW would be different from all others. So far I can see divide and conquer going on. People are being separated from any form of allegiance so I suppose that getting stoned is just as acceptable as getting an education. Doesn’t make sense to me but it’s something that seems to be happening.

    • Tim

      They lied to you about weed just like they lied about Blacks and immigrants and everything else under the sun…Getting stoned IS your education…

  • Ella

    We could just make it easier for transgendered people and call them “IT” much like a Pat or Kelly. Student “It” does not sound too bad. Lol

    • WoodyBBad

      We should call them Pats. I’ve done that before.

    • Kenner

      Since humanity is just one extended family, we could address each other as ‘Cousin It’.

  • Realist.44

    Just say “Hey bitch”, or “Hey faggot”. It’s all good now. Buncha morons.

  • libertarian1234

    “CUNY: Don’t Address Students as ‘Mr.’ or ‘Ms.’”

    Of course not. How insensitive.

    “Bro” and “Ho” works just fine and the administration just loves it, because of their unrelenting love of all things black.

  • Cid Campeador

    Just address everyone as “citizen” as per the French Revolution or “Comrade” as per the Fundamentally Transformed America aka the FTA.

  • Who Me?

    Well since they don’t want to be addressed according to the plumbing, how about just addressing them as “A**hole!” That should be gender-neutral enough for the little “A**holes”.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    In a few years using the term brother, sister, husband, wife, son and daughter will be deemed non PC. A few years ago it was ok to say secretary and maid or servant. Now you have to say Administrative Assistant and Helper. I blame the older generation for trying to act young by trying to dispense off younger people calling them Mr XYZ or Ms XYZ because it makes them feel so old and the younger generation should call the older people by their first name. No wonder we have so many brats running around that lack respect for authority.

  • Augustus3709

    Apparently the egalitarian cultists deny all biological and evolutionary realities, except for the case where you’re “born gay.”