White? Black? A Murky Distinction Grows Still Murkier

Carl Zimmer, New York Times, December 24, 2014

In 1924, the State of Virginia attempted to define what it means to be white.

The state’s Racial Integrity Act, which barred marriages between whites and people of other races, defined whites as people “whose blood is entirely white, having no known, demonstrable or ascertainable admixture of the blood of another race.”

There was just one problem. As originally written, the law would have classified many of Virginia’s most prominent families as not white, because they claimed to be descended from Pocahontas.

So the Virginia legislature revised the act, establishing what came to be known as the “Pocahontas exception.” Virginians could be up to one-sixteenth Native American and still be white in the eyes of the law.

People who were one-sixteenth black, on the other hand, were still black.

In the United States, there is a long tradition of trying to draw sharp lines between ethnic groups, but our ancestry is a fluid and complex matter. In recent years geneticists have been uncovering new evidence about our shared heritage, and last week a team of scientists published the biggest genetic profile of the United States to date, based on a study of 160,000 people.

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The data for the new study were collected by 23andMe, the consumer DNA-testing company. {snip}

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The scientists also have been developing software that learns to recognize the origins of the short segments of DNA that make up our genomes. Recently they used their program to calculate what percentage of each subject’s genomes was inherited from European, African or Native American forebears.

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On average, the scientists found, people who identified as African-American had genes that were only 73.2 percent African. European genes accounted for 24 percent of their DNA, while .8 percent came from Native Americans.

Latinos, on the other hand, had genes that were on average 65.1 percent European, 18 percent Native American, and 6.2 percent African. The researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 percent European, .19 percent African, and .18 Native American.

These broad estimates masked wide variation among individuals. Based on their sample, the resarchers estimated that over six million European-Americans have some African ancestry. As many as five million have genomes that are at least 1 percent Native American in origin. One in five African-Americans, too, has Native American roots.

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Most Americans with less than 28 percent African-American ancestry say they are white, the researchers found. Above that threshold, people tended to describe themselves as African-American.

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The scientists also linked geographical patterns to their subjects’ ancestries. Latinos in the Southwest had high levels of Native American DNA, they found, while Latinos in the Southeast had high levels of African DNA.

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Jeffrey C. Long, an anthropologist at the University of New Mexico who was not involved in the study, cautioned that the research was not based on a random sample of Americans. Instead, Dr. Mountain and her colleagues studied only people who were curious enough about their DNA to pay for a test.

“Perhaps people who have mixed ancestry are more interested in their ancestry than people who don’t think they have mixed ancestry,” Dr. Long said.

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  • Easyrhino

    “American with less than 28 percent black ancestry say they are white.”

    No, they’re not.

    • John Smith

      If they look and act human, they’re human to me. I’ve known light-skinned blacks who’ve married whites and produced blonde, blue-eyed children that I don’t plan to deny as white, so long as they’re raised right and not wiggers. Once our ancestors had dark skin too, until we evolved beyond this and the more defective elements of our ancestors were purged by natural selection.

      • the sound the flood the hour

        The out of africa theory that you are referring to is outdated.

        • Bossman

          Says who? Can you back that up with some good science?

          • the sound the flood the hour

            Well I tried to post something but amren wont let me.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            If it was a link, the mods need to approve it, I believe.

        • Luca

          Since monkeys and apes originated in Africa, I tend to believe ‘homo erectus’ did too. South American monkeys migrated before continental drift. Out of Africa is a sound theory.

      • IstvanIN

        I am not concerned too much about an alleged black relative from 400 years ago but first generation White-passing is a little too close. Their kids could revert to black.

    • pcmustgo

      Well 80% OF PUERTO RICO IDENTIFIES AS “WHITE”… even though, at most, 5% are.

    • Barry Hussein 0bola

      I have long, straight blonde hair that is past my knees and light aqua blue eyes and very pale skin and baby fine, blonde body hair.

      That being said, I’m a very good dancer. Uh oh. J/K

      I’m 50% Finnish mixed with Dutch/English/Irish but I’m very curious if it’s true that Finnish people are part Asian. I’ve read a lot of conflicting websites and many Japanese are convinced Finnish people are part Asian because their languages are very similar.

      I look very Swedish but Sailor Moon could definitely represent me too (lmao).

      I hope everyone had a great Christmas!

      • the sound the flood the hour

        There’s a small population of sami in finland who used to be asian at one point but are now a mixture of white and asian and are basically white but still retain a seperate identiy. Some of them have distinct asian features but most of them just look white. That doesn’t mean all fins are part asian though because the sami represent a small portion of the population and they’ve remained relatively isolated from everyone else.

        • Bossman

          The Sami like to identify themselves with American Indians.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            There Asiatic people in Russia and Scandanavia that are basically the same as native americans. For the most part they live as a separate people for thousands of years rather than the two populations mixing. So you have two populations of Finns: the Aryan one and the Asiatic one. It’s no different than being a white american vs an amerind. The finnish language is finno-urgic language related to Hungarian and Sumerian as opposed to an Aryan language. They are racially Aryan but speak an ancient non-Aryan language. I don’t know about its relation to Japan. The Japanese language is considered not to be related to any other language but it would be interesting if it has some similarity to Sumerian. Japanese do speak a non-tonal language. Most languages of the world are tonal except for European ones. All other asian languages are tonal. Japan

          • the sound the flood the hour

            The anti-white marxists in Europe like to use the Sami as a weapon to beat the white Scandinavians over the head with in order shame them into giving up political power or to go along with ‘progressive’ policies. This happens more often in Sweden and Norway (perhaps because of their colonial history?) and not so much in Finland from my understanding. The Sami are also the only ethnic group that’s internationally recognized as indigenous to Scandinavia even though the Aryans have been there just as long if not longer. Still the parallels between Scandinavia and the Americas are pretty remarkable in my opinion.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            It’s interesting how our ancestors lived among so many different people and interacted with them (mostly) peacefully but felt it was worthwhile to preserve our unique cultural and genetic heritage. Now all of a sudden we are forced to mix our culture and genes into a global cocktail race.

            Most ethnic Finns are blond but I think slightly different build and appearance compared to other Scandinavians. On average they don’t have as much of the “Germanic” appearance. To some degree they do but I mean less stereotypically Germanic than other Scandanvians, not as tall generally. The mixture with “natives” is similar to the U.S. maybe a 1% mixture or something but nothing significant among most people.

    • Bossman

      What does it matter if they can pass for white? I would suspect that such a population group would look healthier and maybe sexier too. It would be a case of Darwinian hybrid vigor in action. There has always been a massive game of dissimulation about this subject.

    • Tom_in_Miami

      I have less than 28% black ancestry and I’m certainly white. In fact, most pure Scandinavians with blonde hair and blue eyes have less that 28% black ancestry.

  • Don White

    Funny, but I never have any problem telling who is black. Obongo, Sharpton, Jackson, King, Dickholder, Frakkhan, Brown, Martin and Garner . . . all black.

    • ZB01

      Yes, but then there is a guy like Martin Gore, from the alternative British techno-electronic band, Depeche Mode, whose father is black. I would have never guessed that one.

      • antiquesunlight

        Yeah that one’s pretty hard to swallow. He doesn’t look mixed at all, much less 50% black. His “black” dad must have had a great deal of white DNA.

        • John Smith

          Most in the UK are Caribbean blacks, and most are mulattoes.

          • Cid Campeador

            There are plenty of Africans as well.

        • J.Till

          Yeah, exactly. Someone who is fully 50% African and not just socially “black” would look like Obama, maybe worse.

          • Who Me?

            I still refuse to believe that Barack Obama Sr. was the real, biological sperm doner of the creature presently squatting in the White House. For one thing, the squatter is far too light in skin tone. If his father had actually been that coal-black African, he would be far, far darker colored, being a F1 hybrid. Subsequent breeding down the line can produce unpredictable genetic variations, but a straight, single black/white cross isn’t subject to those variations. I am thoroughly convinced that Obama’s tramp of a mother was warming at least one other black buck’s bed, besides that of her supposed “husband” when he was conceived.

          • Luca

            Google: Frank Mashall Davis. Let’s just say he is a contender for the Obama baby-daddy. Stanley Ann Dunham had suspect morals and was known to associate with Frank Marshall Davis who was a good friend of the Dunham family. If Obama Sr, is the daddy, he already had a wife in Kenya when he impregnated Stanley Ann.

            So, the best case scenario for Barry is that his Obama-daddy was an alcoholic, bigamist, statutory rapist.

            If not, his Davis-daddy was a radical Chicago trained, communist, pedophile, pornographer.

            Either way, quite a resume for our Muslim-trained, most transparent POTUS, wouldn’t you say?

        • Who Me?

          I wonder how his mother convinced his dad that he was the father? At Gore’s age, DNA testing wasn’t an option at his birth.

      • Zimriel

        That explains “People are People”. . . Gore must have got it from all sides growing up.

        • ZB01

          Ironic, yes, but my understanding is that Gore didn’t learn of this until he was much older—just prior to the birth of his first daughter, I think.

      • cherrie greenbaum123

        And then there is Leslie Gore who was originally Leslie Goldstein.

        • Luca

          The list of Jewish name changers is too long to list here. Talk about ‘trying-to-pass’.

    • Wing-nut.

      Don’t forget Cosby!

      • Julius Caesar

        I was certain I read that as “Don’t forget Crosby” (Bing Crosby). My heart dropped for a second, I would have died if I found out Bing was part black. I should read a little slower next time.

      • ElComadreja

        Isn’t that the guy that likes pudding? Pudding it where it doesn’t belong.

  • Jaggers

    Safe to say that if your ancestors immigrated to the US sometime in the 20th century, you’d know whether any of your grandparents/great-grandparents were black or Native American. Pretty straightforward, actually.

    • ElComadreja

      Yep. My father’s parents came here right around the turn of the century and my mother came over in the 1930’s. No black or Indian blood likely here.

  • The Dude

    “The researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 percent European.”

    Uhh, that’s pretty clear-cut European to me.

    In America, those who are mostly black (from mulatto to fully) identify as “black”. Those who are overwhelmingly European (95%+) identify as “white”. For those who are in between, there’s the “multiracial” checkbox.

    Some for other races. If you’re distinctly, say, Asian, then you’re “Asian”. Otherwise, you’re “multiracial”.

    I don’t get it. What’s so murky about that? The author is just trying to see ambiguousness where there isn’t.

  • The crooked hat & shiny necklace (for me) is a dead giveaway.

  • NoMosqueHere

    Years ago, prior to the civil rights era, mulattos, quadroons, and octaroons wanted to pass for white. They wanted to be considered white. Now, they want to be black due to all the racist institutional advantages black receive in the US, such as affirmative action.

    • Northern American-Nationalist

      A sliver lining if you ask me. Let their genes gravitate back to the Afro-Northern American population, which helps them have a ‘native’ elite that can sustain their nation in modernity with less outside help, and our genes stay closer to the source that produced the greatest civilization the world has ever known. We stay truer to our ancestors as well, which is a nationalist preoccupation as well as practical.

  • Luca

    All of us have some mixture of major DNA types. The one we most want to distance ourselves from is African DNA, especially sub-Saharan African DNA.

    It is something we have been trying to evolve and migrate away from for over 150,000 years.

    • Sick of it

      If you look at various DNA profiles, you’ll find that quite a few European Americans, and of course Europeans proper, are 100% white, without any ambiguity. There will, of course, be exceptions due to various invasions, slavery, and the hiding of one’s origins. Plus the folks who say they’re white when it benefits them, but turn against whites every chance they get. I’m excluding things like Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA.

      • pcmustgo

        half jewish on here… just mention that to try to get you to understand not all jews are out to get you.

        • Cid Campeador

          Too much time spent on ranting about Jews while the REAL enemy is creeping up on us.

          • Luca

            The real enemy is Marxism disguised as liberalism, socialism, progressives, etc.

            Jews are disproportionately represented in these areas and have a great deal of influence over the whole anti-Euro-White-American cabal. They have a great deal of influence over Hollywood, the media, academia, politics and the legal system to name but a few.

            There are too many good Jews and it would be ignorant to condemn all of them, just as it would be ignorant to not acknowledge their influence as I have outlined above.

          • Spikeygrrl

            It’s also necessary to point out that Ashkenazi Jews have arguably the most successful voluntary, positive, IQ-driven eugenics program in the history of our species.

            In the Middle Ages and Renaissance, the oldest son was the heir — end of story. The younger sons were placed into occupations according to their talents. The smartest son was typically placed as a priest or brother; one or more down the birth order got a military career. This bled off the genes of those with obvious smarts into celibacy (the Church) or early death (the military).

            Meanwhile, the Jews were also selecting for smarts…and wherever they found one, he was chanelled into the Rabbinate. But unlike the Catholic professional religious, Rabbis were expected to find a good, SMART girl and have as many children as possible, thus maximizing the impact upon future generations.

            We’d be fools not to annex the progeny of all those generations of selective breeding, and welcome anyone interested to join our efforts…even though most of them would probably be on the next plane to Israel if/when TSHTF.

          • HJ11

            They are not our kind. Our kind is “non-Jewish Whites of European descent.”

          • HJ11

            Actually, they were selecting for acquisitiveness. It’s not difficult to cheat others, when you consider yourself above others and different from them and thus have no moral obligation to them.

            This, of course, is one of the ways I recommend we Whites start thinking; that is, not necessarlly being overly greedy, but we need to start considering ourselves as a distinct people, different from all other peoples and we need to start doing what is right for us and not worrying about those who are not us.

          • HJ11

            Jews are not White. They are not part of our White tribe.

            However, many Jews are worried about the same things we are: miscegenation and the blending away of their Jewishness.

            It’s ironic, when Jews were almost universally hated, they were able to survive as a distinct people. Now they are dying off because of love as the intermarriage rate among young Jews is driving Jewish supremacists nuts.

          • Luca

            When we speak of Jews, we are generally referring to Ashkenazim Jews, which covers about 80% of the world Jewish population. They started acquiring their European DNA in the Roman empire over 1500 years ago. They proliferated in Central Europe throughout the Middle Ages, especially in Germany.

            Simply put, if you study their DNA you will find they are 50% Northern European and about 35% Mediterranean. both considered ‘White’.

            If you dislike their culture and want to say their culture is not White, well, you may have some basis in fact there. But biologically speaking they are a distinct European (White) DNA group.

          • HJ11

            But they are not “non-Jewish Whites of European descent,” which is how I define Whites.

          • Sick of it

            Which explains the Asiatic features…

        • James Wilson

          Not all Jews, but the ones that matter do.

        • the sound the flood the hour

          I don’t have a problem with jews. I don’t even have a problem with the fact that jews wield a disproportionate amount of power and influence in our society. My problem is that so many of them are working against the interests of non-jewish whites.

          • Alexandra1973

            I’m more concerned about the counter-Reformation.

          • ZB01

            Catholics?

          • Sick of it

            You’re making things too complicated. It must be stressful.

          • I don’t think you actually believe that but okay.

  • Brady

    I suspect “African DNA” could include descent from Mediterranean Causasiods who lived in North Africa during ancient of prehistoric times.

    • John Smith

      Except those peoples may have some mixed ancestry from their proximity to sub-Saharan Africans.

  • BulgAryan

    CELEBS YOU DIDN’T KNOW ARE BLACK:

    www[dot]pressroomvip[dot]com/celebs-you-didnt-know-are-black-4/2/

    • John Smith

      Most of those people you’d have to be pretty stupid not to be able to tell, but some could definitely pass.

      • IstvanIN

        Jennifer Beals, Troian Bellisario,Wentworth Miller,Carol Channing, Gabrielle Reece, Darnell Martin all would fool me. Especially Miller with the blue eyes.

        • BlueSonicStreak

          The texture of Miller’s hair is the biggest give-away.

          I still remember back in the early 2000s when a black forum I frequented pegged him as part black based on his hair alone. “The hair ALWAYS breeds through!” is what they (jubilantly) said.

          Never forgot that.

          • IstvanIN

            There are White people with curly hair. I went to school with an Italian kid, both sets of grandparents off the boat, who had the worst hair imaginable. His sister doesn’t, however.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            It’s true, Italians (and Jews) can have ‘fros. Not saying he isn’t highly racially ambiguous. Not everyone pegs him as part black, but I’ve heard him described several times as Arabic-looking with his hair grown out; he passes better when it’s shaved.

          • Sick of it

            Even shaved, you can see the texture difference.

        • Spikeygrrl

          Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson had me fooled since I first saw him in a movie (I am SO not a wrestling fan). I never questioned his ancestry until seeing a few days ago the very list referred to above.

        • John Smith

          Yes – me too. If you can find some of their parents’ pictures, most look pretty close to white themselves, like Bellisario’s mother. Reece’s children look white also.

  • Bryce Armstrong

    I support the “ridiculous” one drop rule.

    • Bossman

      Well if you support such a rule, you’ll need to back it up with good logic, science, facts and history which you can’t.

      • Bryce Armstrong

        According to who?

        • Bossman

          According to any sensible and rational person.

          • Bryce Armstrong

            I dont hear a sensible rational person demanding I prove anything, I hear you doing it.

      • BlueSonicStreak

        Not entirely sure what you’re trying to say here.

        Historically, the “one-drop rule” suggested that ANY descents of a black person were legally black, forever or until the earth falls into the sun. It’s a bit silly.

        Now that we have a better grasp of genetics, it would be a bit easier to say that eventually there is a following generation at which point the non-white blood is negligible. You could call the generation before that “one drop” if you wanted.

        I hate Stormfront, and don’t normally use them as any sort of good example, but…they have it in their FAQ that they consider anyone is who is 15/16ths white or more to be “white.” That seems reasonable to me.

        • Monkey Chatter

          Why would you ‘hate’ Stormfront if you are on this site when both share pretty much identical views? Makes no sense.

          Most are there are not ‘Nazis’ they are nationalists, like on here.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            Funny, I was just arguing with a liberal who believes this site is a tarted-up version of Stormfront. If you really think this place is no better, perhaps you should only hang out there. It’s larger, isn’t it?

            As for why I hate that site (not necessarily everyone on it, I suppose): for one thing, the extreme anti-Semitism. I understand being critical of Jews and the role they’ve collectively played in the way Western society is going; I don’t agree with the idea that they are an inherently evil race of people. I also don’t believe all the conspiracy theories that abound about them, and I think endlessly drumming on about it fuels craziness in people susceptible to that way of thinking about the world.

            Saw outright extermination of all non-white peoples championed there – several times in a few months of lurking. Saw outright glee at murder of/violence directed towards non-whites, gays and possibly other groups I’m not thinking of right now. I in no way want to be associated with “KILL ALL THE MUDS!” and “smear the queers!”

            Most of the site is white nationalist; but a significant minority of highly active users are actually white supremacist, to the point of a) being willing to deny the genuine accomplishments of other peoples, b) being intellectually dishonest enough to never admit to fault on the part of whites, and c) attempting to claim literally every functional society on earth as originally “white” – including in Asia(??!). I did NOT walk away from liberalism’s excessive demonization of us just to get caught up in excessive self-aggrandizement, either.

            That doesn’t mean AmRen always takes the higher ground. I understand the burning anger over black dysfunction as it affects whites, but sometimes I find the way AmRen riffs endlessly on blacks as through they are barnyard animals way over the top. But it’s not AS over the top as Stormfront. Hence how I ended up here: I asked Stormfront users if they knew a less dumpy version of their site. They mentioned here.

            I’ve posted over a hundred comments here by now; never been moderated. I posted two comments there, and got the distinct impression I would have been banned if I hadn’t been a guest in the first place. A mod told me I ought to not come back.

          • I think there’s enough room for both AR and Stormfront. One does its thing, the other does its thing.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            Fine, sure. I just want nothing to do with their “thing.”

          • brior

            Except the Amren censorship is a bit over the top. Not every WN is a snob academic with a literary pedigree to brag about.

          • joanofamerica

            no, there re not, some of us are just poor white trash with a brain and we know where things are going.

          • me

            Do you work for George Soros?

          • BlueSonicStreak

            I realize that’s probably intended as a dig, but I haven’t been here long enough to get the reference. Lost on me. Sorry.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            Just caught the edit. “Dumpy”?? Someone needs a new thesaurus.

            I hate terrible editors whose edits alter the original meaning of the text.

          • B Baker

            BlueSonicStreak, I am in total aggrement with you.

            I would be willing to bet everything that I own that %75 of the commentators here have not had genetic DNA testing. Since they do NOT know exactly what they are (including the moronic 1 drop rule bullshit supporters). Since they have not taken genetic DNA testing by their own definition them being White is only speculation.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            I figure it is a waste of money to get genetic testing and I don’t have money to waste right now. I don’t know everything about my ancestry but I have a pretty good idea going back pretty far. You can research family history. Also interacial unions were rare prior to 1960s, other than the occasional marriage between a white and an indian. Marriage between blacks and whites was illegal and the asian community lived separately from whites as well.

            I am aware that my grandma’s dad was one fourth Indian, which would make me 1/32 or about 3%. I wasn’t aware of Jewish ancestry until later in life, but that’s still “white”. Other than that my ancestors came from northwest europe like almost every other white American up until the 1960s. It just wasn’t normal back then for whites to inter breed with other races, so its unlikely. Someone might find out they have a Jew somewhere back there or some small amount of Indian, that is common, but I doubt someone will find out they are part black or have any significant non-white ancestry (like being half indian and not knowing about it). Not that I believe in one drop rules or place much importance on ancestry, it’s just that I have a pretty good knowledge of my ancestry without a DNA test.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            Agreed. On my mother’s side, I have a great-uncle who is very into genealogy. He traced my mom’s side back something like 12 generations and except for a tiny bit of Cree (1/256th in me), we are white on that side. Primarily Dutch with a mix of other European (Western and Northern).

            My dad’s side is Slavic, and immigrated relatively recently…the chances of anything except MAYBE some Ashkenazi farther back have to be slim-to-none.

            I still think it would be cool to take a DNA test. But I wouldn’t expect any major upsets.

          • John R

            I agree with you about the Jews. Yes, there is a Jewish root to much extreme liberalism, but the problem is more than that, and not all Jews are flaming liberals or leftists. I have got into arguments here on that issue from time to time.

            Now, as to blacks. Not ALL are “barnyard animals.” But, lets face it a lot of our social dysfunction is directly caused by that one group. That I will debate you on. They have NEVER built a decent society in history and are unwilling to assimilate to ours. I think in some way “barnyard animals” is too GOOD a term for them. If you want to debate me on that, fine. But you will lose.

            Thank you. Peace!

          • TCA

            Perhaps you’ve been raised to believe anti-Semitism is low-class, and you’re too snobbish to see the truth about Jews.
            If social dysfunction can be caused by Blacks, why not by Jews?
            Who supplies the brains behind organized Blacks? Where do organized Blacks get their funding? Their favorable press coverage? Their political clout?

          • Raymond Kidwell

            I think its counterproductive to be overly insulting or threatening toward others whether its true or not. These are public statements that are often counterproductive, in that they just anger other people without really doing much to solve any problems. An honest discussion of I.Q. differences or social policies is one thing, “I hate blacks” is another.

            I would say 1) Jews are smarter than most others. To be successful I think the movement would need at least a few Jews and their abilities. Terribly racist thing to say but 99% of the time I meet someone intelligent they are Jewish. Among people with 130+ I.Q.s I would say more than half are Jews. Of course I don’t see any real efforts to make any real change here but just generally speaking.
            2) I would agree there are common traits among Jews that are less desirable, but the higher intelligence tends to trump those other factors.
            3) There are plenty of anti-semitic Jews. Well not in the HItler sense but in the sense that they would largely agree with many ideas that are against Zionism or organized Jewish efforts to harm others. Jews tend to be more assertive, opinionated, more likely to go against the mainstream, to be literate, have high I.Q.s etc. They would seem to be a demographic that would have a larger propensity for Amren ideas, perhaps if not for their loyalty to their current Jewish supremacist organizations.

            The one thing that really fascinates me about Jews though is their “Aryanization”. I can look at photos way back in my family tree of some real Jews that look like a different species. They remind me of some international banker stereotype or something. Most modern Jews look similar to me or one of my aunts or uncles. Where I have only a small amount of Jew. As well traditionally Jewish features are considered undesirable among most Jews. They even get surgery to look more Aryan.

            But I find it odd. You almost never see a Jew that looks like something out of a Nazi poster or that looks like Ben Stein. The few that exist hide their face, but even most orthodox communities or typical Jews living around the block don’t look real jewy. Most of them look really European except for some slight peculiarity or jewiness to them. I really wonder how “Jewish” these modern yids are. Even the ones that claim to be pure bred back 100 generation are often blond hair blue eyed nordic looking people.

            Just as an example, real yiddish Jews are almost a pygmy race. A few are tall but most of them are very short, and that is their normal height. They clearly stand out as different just by their height alone. Yet most modern Jews are of normal height. It’s similar with a whole host of other features.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            I don’t disagree that Jews are more likely than white gentiles to have IQs in the 98th percentile and above (if the average white IQ is 100, and the average Ashkenazi IQ is 112, that only makes sense), but I’m curious to know exactly how you’re evaluating the IQs of people in your life. Did you test them? Did you see their scores somehow?

            Because in another comment, you mentioned whites being dumb and not having a college education. I have nothing but a high school diploma and have held nothing but low-skill jobs in my life; but my IQ has always tested above 130. Were I to have children, there is a chance of somewhat higher intelligence to be passed down (accepting the likely possibility of some regression).

            Re: the Jewish “look.” I can mostly only ever pick out Jews if they have a bit of that nose (man, does the Jew nose ever breed through a surprising amount of the time…if we ever invent a time machine, we would save people tons of rhinoplasty bills if we could just go back and stop the first dude with that nose from ever making babies), but I once knew a Jewish family that was blond, blue-eyed, and…all under five-foot-three.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            I score around 130 on an I.Q. test and have been stuck with menial jobs. I have been denied the access to college education although I have an AA degree right now. I think anybody with the intelligence should persue college as its an easier way to make a living than working at non educated jobs (unless you own a business or know good people to work for). You usually can get a good idea of what someone’s I.Q. is by interacting with them. When I start talking about something complicated and someone gives me a blank stare and says “I’m not smart enough to understand that” well that’s an indication. Or if someone writes a letter and can’t spell right or do proper grammar. My personal experiences tend to correspond with documented data, so I don’t find it too far fetched. Let me put it this way, of the people whom I can have an intelligent and rational conversation with, most of them are Jewish.

            I don’t have a lot of experience with pure bred Jews, but a lot of people I have been friends with or met in my life turned out being part Jewish. My favorite teacher in high school was a Jew. We have pictures of Jewish lawyers all over the place around here. None of them had a “Jew nose”. Some may have a larger nose than average (not all). Most regular Jews don’t even have the nose anymore if you ever see a meeting of orthodox Jews dressed in black in public.

            In regards to being mixed the Jewishness can jump around. If you have a bunch of cousins with the same percentage of Jew, some of them may appear almost totally Jew and others appear practically not Jewish at all, just depending on what side of the gene pool they inherited. I have an uncle who is a stereotypical Jew in appearance and personality. Never raised Jewish or had any contact with Jews really. Just somehow inherited it even though his ancestry is mostly non-Jewish. That is probably another fascinating aspect of it are the inheritance patterns. But Jewishness is dominant. A person who is half Jew typically will overwhelmingly display Jewish traits.

            Personality is overwhelmingly inherited as well. The Jewy uncle is a master haggler. They tend to prefer sales jobs and buying and selling stuff over manual labor and it tends to be an inherited trait.

            Probably more prominent than the nose is curly hair. A pure Jew usually has hair like a black person, extremely kinky although now they seem to be evolving into curls. But a part Jew usually has wavy or curly hair. Then the skin is white but a different complexion white than most europeans, and very fleshy. Like a fattiness under the skin. Usually makes the woman look ugly after age 25, well ugly at least in regards to skin being kind of saggy.

            The blond Jews seem to all originate in East Europe. Well the ones that are purely Jew and not mix bred. I guess there was a separate population of blond Jews. The most successful and dominant Jews are the Yids that come from Germany and look sort of like a southern european and those are the ones we typically have in America, although increasingly some of them are blond. I wonder how much of that is evolution in play, some kind of selective pressure to look more Aryan. I heard the theory that the nazis spared more of the Aryan looking Jews, but it wouldn’t apply much to the U.S. because Jews were already here before that. It seems like they are evolving to look more “normal” by Western standards through selection and greater desirability put on those traits.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            See, but I have a hard time with your assertion that it is rare to find someone intelligent who isn’t at least part Jewish. I live in an area where less than one percent (actually just over half a percent) identify themselves as Jewish, and I don’t think I’ve been berefit of intelligent conversation my whole life.

            Your comment is interesting, but I’m catching a whiff of supremacy.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            A bigger factor is education, economic status etc. If you deal with college educated people its not too hard to find intelligent conversation, even though some college educated people are bit unsophisticated. There seems to be a general pattern though. Among dirt poor minimal wage workers black people seem dumbest and the Jewish ones seem smartest, regular whites below Jews and the general well known racial hierarchy of I.Q. And if we move up in social status, the intelligence may increase overall but you experience the same kind of hierarchy with the smartest ones generally being Jews, the dumbest being black etc. This is to such an extreme that I would say a lot of the minimal wage earning uneducated Jews are smarter than some of the college educated, high income blacks (even though its generally rare to see Jews in that position and Jews are over represented in high income positions even when adjusting for I.Q.).

            I would agree that Jews are on average inferior in a number of ways. Most are way too arrogant and over confident. Many have annoying personalities, or sexual perversions. Some may have undesirable physical characteristics. But in terms of raw intelligence they dominate. There are actually Jewish schools for the gifted. This involves Jewish students who score 130 or above on an IQ test. This is possible even when Jews are 5 or 10% of the population. Yet it would be hard to fill an entire school with 130+ I.Q.s among the other 90% of the population of any race.

            There are a number of dumb Jews, but among high I.Q. levels Jews dominate. We have a bit watered down version of this phenomenon with goyishe whites. By this I mean about 99.9% of the world’s geniuses are white, even though whites are only about 10% of the global population (a more extreme example occurs with Jews). This is true even though the average white I.Q. is relatively low at around 100. If you look at a group like Asians, the average I.Q. might be higher at 108, but there is little variation. There aren’t many that score 125 or 135.

            So I mean in regards to meeting people with 125+ I.Q. or somewhere in that range, usually they are Jewish or part Jewish, and on rare occasion white. Extremely rare to not be white. I doubt president Obama’s I.Q. is higher than 130 and his mother was Jewish.

            Nonetheless what we consider rare (3% of the overall population) would actually represent about nine million Americans (in an overall population of 300 million).

            I don’t like supremacy. I don’t want to be the only intelligent person around me. It does no good. If the company I work for is mismanaged and run by criminals and imbeciles, I’m not going to rise to the top simply because I’m better than them. No, I’ll fall with all the rest. If my neighbors are burning down their own city or destroying their environment, it doesn’t do me a lot of good simply being a little smarter. It doesn’t make me feel good and I’m no genius nor trying to appear superior. I’m dirt poor and typically a victim. But one thing is I’m fairly rational and do rely on facts to make my decisions. If someone is smarter than me I’m not really offended, nor offended by a race or group being smarter than myself. I just believe it makes me more powerful to believe in things that are objectively true than to believe in fantasies that make me feel good.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            I’ll give a good example. In China they openly embrace racism. They have a number of ethnic minority groups. Each group is supposed to be naturally predisposed to be good at something. They all have a unique skill bred into them. This type of diversity is most useful. Jews, in my experience, are usually the best authors. They are good at verbal arguments and presentation. If I had a group like Amren I would want to attract talented Jewish authors. Even though not every person fits this stereotype and there are plenty of great Aryan authors, I would think that excluding Jews would probably have a negative impact on the quality of articles written.

            It’s not that a Jew is completely superior, only that he is on average, superior in that narrow specialized field. With whites an most other races they have mixed out their unique specializations so its harder to stereotype them as much because they aren’t as monogenous.

            But I feel that generally any kind of movement probably will not have long term success if it doesn’t have at least some Jewish members. I think they would struggle competing against Jews in terms of formulating strategies or making written articles or presentations.

            In a similar way I think a community would be at a severe disadvantage militarily if it were to go head to head against Germanic soldiers while not having any themselves.

            This is the true advantage of diversity, rather than mixing everyone together into a racial soup. It would involve each unique nation (tribe) playing on its own specialty/strengths and contributing to the global community through those skills.

          • panasian

            According to Richard Lynn, the IQ of American Ashkenazi Jews is at around 110 but the IQ of Israeli Ashkenazi Jews is about 103 and also the IQ of Sephardic Jews is very low 91. So when you get all these Jewish groups together, the average IQ of Jews is about 103 which falls somewhere between the IQ of East Asians and the IQ of whites.

          • panasian

            It depends on what kind of a Jew you are talking about, Yes Ashkenazi Jews are smart but Sephardic Jews have low IQ.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            Sephardic Jews I have met seem to be of about normal intelligence for a white person. Which is to say not too bright, but not exactly stupid. They tend to be more party animal types compared to more academic minded Ashkenazim.

          • panasian

            The average IQ of Sephardic Jews is about 91 that is pretty low for white people. While you can say Ashkenazi Jews are smart, you can not say the same about Sephardic Jews.

          • Sick of it

            “not all Jews are flaming liberals or leftists”

            Sure, the ones who have forgotten their heritage. I’ve known quite a few. But they do not identify as Jews. The same thing could be found in Germany only a few generations back.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            True Jewish culture is very conservative, racist etc. They just promote opposite values on everyone else. Most of the true liberal jews are actually people who did not fit into their synagogue and no longer a part of mainstream jewry. You see a lot of those types in a Unitarian Univeralist congregation.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            Your average Jew is much like your average Christian, only a step higher. By that I mean the average Christian works in a factory or in an office or whatever (middle class), and sits in a church seat and mainly goes along with what the church tells him. He doesn’t rebel against what is normal. Humans are social animals.

            A typical synagogue attending Jew is no different. He goes to a synagogue where most people either own a business or have a college degree, so a little higher up the food chain on average, but otherwise the same. Jews are taught a more racist and ethnocentric religion that emphasizes self responsibility and superiority a bit more, but otherwise not much different. Well perhaps the high value of education and literacy. He just drops his money in the plate and goes along with the group.

            The problem is nearly all Jewish groups are organized by central forces (relating to rothschild et. al.). These forces instill Zionism and certain political agendas into their constituent members (the Jewish Federation, ADL etc.). What does 99% of Jews have to do with setting these agendas? Nothing. But they are social creatures. Not many Christians are going to jump up and argue with the pastor that ‘God is dead’. Nor are many Jews going to argue against the Jewish supremacy, anti-Germanism etc. found in their organizations.

            However, Amren appeals to rebels and those on the fringe. It wouldn’t be appealing to the average Jew but to the one who is outside of the politically correct sphere.

            It shouldn’t really matter whether you are black, white, Jewish or otherwise. It should matter if you support similar ideas and visions as the group.

          • sulbernick

            The Jews would have very little impact were it not for traitor whites.

          • Sick of it

            Undeniable fact, but, by the same token, one could say that traitorous whites would not have had such an impact if not for constant Jewish activism.

          • sulbernick

            Agreed. But the problem is the traitors in our midst not the outsiders that take advantage of them.

          • DaveMed

            AmRen contributors of of significantly higher quality.

        • davejon

          According to Sykes, all white Europeans have 1% ancient African genes after our origins in Africa. Was that taken into account in this latest work?

      • Samuel Hathaway

        The “one drop” rule always seemed a bit silly to me, contrived by a court judge or whoever made it up. I remember a case in Louisiana of a woman who was obviously Caucasian in appearance who discovered a black African in her distant ancestry. She had always considered herself to be white but thanks to the one-drop rule, she was coerced into accepting her official racial status as “black.”

    • rob

      Is Maria Carey black? Soledad Obrien? Her children? They look white as white can get. (Peejay in Fraico)

      • Bryce Armstrong

        You must not be looking very hard. Not one of these people claim to be white and they certainly dont want to considered white.

        • Samuel Hathaway

          Well, you see, they aren’t considered white and don’t want to be considered white, as that would set them outside the federal goody-handout, nonwhite privilege that they get for being black, hispanic.

      • Mary

        Mariah Carey has a White mother and a Black/Venezuelan father. She is certainly light-skinned, but she looks definitely part black to me. I think it’s evident in her features. Although she looks White enough where if she’d had children with a White man, they would probably look White. However, she chose Nick Cannon.

        Soledad O’Brien has a Cuban/black mother and a White father. She really doesn’t look very black to me, and her children certainly look White.

        • Bossman

          Cuba and Venezuela are Hispanic countries so there could also be a slight touch of the Native American in the background also. It is interesting to note that most of the black American beauties of the past also had some Native American and Hispanic ancestry. Here are a few names: Lena Horne, Josephine Baker, Dorothy Dandridge and Jennifer Jones. In the present, we have Beyoncè who is part Hispanic and Cherokee Indian.

          • panasian

            Most Cubans and Venezuelans are mulattos.

          • Samuel Hathaway

            The first wave of Cuban exiles who fled Cuba when Castro took over were more or less very Caucasian. I believe Marco Rubios parents were part of this wave.

          • panasian

            I like your description of ” more or less very Caucasian”. I think Rubio can be classified as ” more or less very Caucasian”.

          • Samuel Hathaway

            Any white parents with a trashy white daughter who is horrifyingly taking up black males as dating partners, would breathe a complete sigh of relief that she brought home a clean-cut, nicely-mannered Cuban Caucasian or even a Caucasian Colombian over ANY black.
            Daniel Arenas, a Colombian actor, is the most popular actor in the telenovelas this year. I’d prefer my daughter 100% to marry this guy from Colombia, than say, Michael Jordan.

          • panasian

            I lived in Colombia for a few years in the past. Most Colombians are mestizos but in costal areas, most of them are mulattos. I’m very curious about Caucasian-looking Rubio’s DNA analysis or this Caucasian-looking Colombian’s

          • Samuel Hathaway

            Daniel Arenas is originally from Bucaramanga, Colombia, whose father is a physician. He studied acting in the United States, so he’;s probably also fluent in English. I’ve seen him on Univision on occasion giving interviews. Not sure of his Euro-American ancestry make, but a cursory search of the name “Arenas” shows that the name originated in Spain, but also there are “Arenas” who also show up generations ago in England and Wales.

            Daniel Arenas may be Colombian by birth, but ethnically and racially, he is as Caucasian as the rest of us. A tip of the hat to the Arenas from Europe who kept the Caucasian bloodline clean instead of becoming mestizos.

          • panasian

            There are a lot of mulatto or mestizo “Arenas” in Colombia. It all depends on definition of ” Caucasian bloodline”. Just have a DNA test and go from there. I’m really curious about the DNA results of a lot of Caucasian-looking Latinos who come from the populations that contain a large number of mulatto or mestizo population or both.

          • Sick of it

            If you adhere to the one drop rule, do not seek a partner from Latin America. History tells a much more complicated tale.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            He has an obvious reddish tint to the skin which is amerind. He looks about 99% latin though. Could pass for a frenchman or spaniard easily.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            There are a lot of attractive Cubans, Mexicans, and other hispanics that are of mixed ancestry. But they seem to be less intellectually developed than the average white. And the average white is usually pretty dumb. So that is the one thing that makes them unattractive to me. I rarely see one with a college education or that seems very intellectual. Seems like you almost have to marry a Jew if you want brains.

          • panasian

            It depends on what kind of a Jew you want to marry. Although Ashkenazi Jews are smart, Sephardic Jews are pretty dumb.

          • panasian

            Although Ashkenazi Jews are smart, Sephardic Jews have very low-IQ.

          • panasian

            It all depends on what kind of a Jew you want to marry. Although Ashkenazi Jews have high IQ, Sephardic Jews have very low IQ. According to Richard Lynn, the IQ of American Ashkenazi Jews is about 110 but the IQ of the Israeli Ashkenazi Jews is around 103 and the IQ of the Sephardic Jews is about 91. So when you put altogether these various Jewish IQ numbers , the IQ of Jews as a whole is around 103 which falls between the IQ of East Asians and that of whites. I want you to read THE MYTH OF AMERICAN MERITOCRACY by Ron Unz that comments about the recent decline of academic achievements of American Jewish students.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            By the way in another post someone asked me how a white person can look mexican (or hispanic). I tried to link a picture, but the picture above is a good example. There are some white looking hispanics and some hispanic looking whites who are sort of in that middle zone appearance wise.

          • Samuel Hathaway

            Been listening to some Lena Horne Christmas music from the “Music Choice” station from my cable co. Her music goes nicely with the rest of the traditional, classy arrangements.

        • Who Me?

          I never gave it any thought, but assumed that Soledad O’Brien was white, or at the most, maybe part Hispanic. Then a few years back she hosted that “Black In America” series, and said she was black. She self-identifies as black, so that puts her out of the running, no matter what she looks like.

          • Samuel Hathaway

            Since black is “in”, (just as Larry Kings little boy) why not take up the identity and the government privileges it affords?

      • brior

        If you are accepted by blacks as black you probably are black, I don’t think acting black get’s you into the club.

      • antiquesunlight

        You are either joking or blind. Mariah Carey does not look white.

        • Mike

          She looks pretty white but the negroid features are there

          • Samuel Hathaway

            This is precisely why I oppose black/white miscegenation. The black takes over, the offspring look black, act black, think black, and on and on. B. Hussien Obama, the First-Mulatto-In-Chief is all the proof we need to go back to the high wall of separation between black and white

    • Chaucersknight

      Great Bryce. I have seen people with more than One XDrop who look whiter than you. Straight hair blond, Blue eyes….What does that make you? “Part Cherokee”? LOL!

      • Bryce Armstrong

        At least I’m willing to use my real name and picture coward.

  • Mary

    I like Steve Sailer’s analysis of this. American Whites average 98.6% White. For most people, this is not murky at all. Only about 3% of Whites have any detectable black ancestry, for example. For those with an obvious agenda, the data can be presented in a disingenuous way in order to further an anti-White position. “See, race is an ambiguous matter, many Whites aren’t all White anyway, so why oppose further mixing?” And of course the government and media, nearly all liberals, and many conservatives will happily agree.

  • TruthBeTold

    Who doesn’t want to be white?

    • John Smith

      I know I don’t want to be black, but I could accept other ancestries that I recognize as at least human.

    • Ultimate187

      The not-so-small number of miscegenators around here.

  • antiquesunlight

    One of my Christmas gifts was a DNA test. Can’t wait to get my results. Virtually certain I don’t have any black blood in me, but not positive I don’t have an Indian ancestor somewhere along the line.

    • Mary

      I wanted that as well, but didn’t receive it. Oh, well, I’ll just shell out for it myself.
      I’m very much into genealogy, and it’s almost amusing the level of enthusiasm many people have for that elusive Indian ancestor. Almost akin to the search for noble or royal ancestry. But you don’t typically see the same reaction for possible black ancestry. Gee, what a shock. My ancestors all arrived in the 17th and 18th centuries, so I could possibly have an Indian ancestor also, but I’ve never uncovered anything solid to indicate it.

      • antiquesunlight

        I hope I don’t have any Indian ancestry, and I don’t really think I do, but there has always been a rumor on my dad’s side. It will be nice to know once and for all. My American ancestry is similarly old, so it wouldn’t be terribly shocking if one of the wives were half-Indian or something. If I do have some Indian ancestry, I expect it to be a tiny percentage.

        • Sick of it

          • Alexandra1973

            My Amerind ancestor was from at least seven generations ago and you can still see a hint in my features. I got made fun of for having “Japanese eyes.”

          • Sick of it

            It is funny that that feature tends to hang on more than anything else in white-Indian mixes. Of course, some folks end up with round eye blondes. Genetics can be weird.

          • pcmustgo

            Nope, it’s the cheekbones and too dark eyes that do.

      • John Smith

        Many of the old Virgina planter/gentry families have Pocahontas as an ancestor.

    • Alexandra1973

      My mom suggested that we might be descended from black slaves on her father’s side. I really doubt it and I fervently hope it isn’t true. The tiny bit of Amerind admixture I’m okay with. But black…um, no.

      I’m very obviously White and you can see a hint of Amerind in my eyes.

      • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

        Then do a DNA test and tell us the result

        • Alexandra1973

          Personally I think my mom was just trying to jerk my chain. She tends to focus more on her tiny bit of Amerind ancestry, almost like she’s ashamed of being predominantly White. She wonders how she managed to raise a “racist” daughter. LOL

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            and why is your mom anti white and pro black or pro anti white?? You better do the DNA test just to make sure.

          • Lin

            I’m from a different generation but my slightly older than baby boomer parents, whose parents all arrived from Europe under a century ago, act anti racist, and think I’m an ignorant bigot. Unless they think I’m talking to someone black.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Ask her if she would be happy with mullatto grandkids. I bet she would not be. So tell her to be racially conscience before she invites trouble and has mudsharks in her family have mullatto grandkids and destroy her family lineage..

    • Augustus3709

      Can you make up a fake name and just have them send the results via e-mail?

      • HJ11

        They won’t share your name if you don’t want them to. Don’t buy into the paranoia of one troll on here.

        • Augustus3709

          I am unaware of the troll in which you speak. I am however concerned of having your real name with your most intimate genetic information being held in a database by google.

          • Anna Tree

            It seems there is more safety issues than the name and genetic information:
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    • ElComadreja

      I got one too. I’m sending it off today.

      • antiquesunlight

        Let me know what your results are. I will share mine when I get them.

        • ElComadreja

          Will do. I’m of mixed Greek/German heritage but the history is murky on both sides especially the Greek.

          • antiquesunlight

            My results came in today.

            I am 99% European and <1% North African. 45% Irish, 17% Scandinavian, 17% Western European, 13% British, and 7% Italian/Greek. The North African is very probably Berber.

          • ElComadreja

            All of North Africa was Caucasian in ancient times. I wouldn’t be surprised to find some in my results. I should have my results within a couple of weeks. I’ll let you know how it turns out.

        • Manxman3

          Keep your fingers crossed for British / German I say.

  • John Smith

    I’ve known some light-skinned blacks raised in a white environment and most will say they are mixed with “indian” rather than admit to being black, if they even suspect that they have black ancestry. They don’t much care for blacks either and avoid them.

    • cherrie greenbaum123

      I’d rather admit to being a child molester than to have negro blood.

      • BlueSonicStreak

        That’s completely irrational, to the point that I would suggest seeing a therapist.

        • haroldcrews

          You can’t stop being part black.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    For me anybody with black blood is not white. I d not care even if it is 0.00000000001%. Everyone needs to stay away from people with black blood, or they will cause problems for western civilization

    • Sick of it

      Before it gets to such an infinitesimal amount, it disappears out of one’s DNA. Generally, things like that are gone within 400-500 years.

      • Alexandra1973

        I’ve heard that after ten generations any “foreign” blood is gone.

      • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

        I would hope so. Maybe the white libs have that infitesimanly small amount of negro blood.

        • Sick of it

          Quite a few are pure white people, even Nordics, descended from European Marxists. Thus I’m not a fan of any immigration.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Hard to weed them out. A lot of modern day Europeans are Marxists.

  • Anglo

    This is the reason I don’t think there will ever really be a White state established for “Whites” only. Everyone wants to live with White people or be accepted as “White” if possible. There must be an accepted standard of who is “White.” I don’t see that happening.

    • Pathfinder75

      “There must be an accepted standard of who is ‘White’.”

      There must also be a limited standard of who is “White”,as well.My own set of standards would entail,among other things,that we necessarily reject such absurdities as classifying Arabs and mestizos as “White”.

      • Sick of it

        Indeed. The pure white Arab vanished centuries ago into the murky gene pool of the mussulman.

  • WoodyBBad

    I’m going to start identifying as African-American. Might be able to get a better job that way. All of our ancestors were from Africa originally, right?

    • Alexandra1973

      Nope. Middle East.

    • cherrie greenbaum123

      They’re now telling that they invented the pyramids in Egypt. Magical negroes invented lunar flight sometime around the time when Ford introduced the Edsel. Unfortunately, due to white racism, the 1961 “Model Lunar Navigator” never left the launching pad after the Kennedy administration’s pivot to Vietnam.

  • B.A_2014

    My sister’s best friend is half black, yet she has blue eyes and is as white as most white people. Her siblings on the other hand are very dark and clearly of African origin. I don’t consider her white but I still am polite to her as she’s a bubbly and cheerful person. I’d deport her in second if I could but to somewhere safe and welcoming.

    • Keep Honkin, I’m Reloading

      You should consider her “adopted.”

    • Samuel Hathaway

      Instead of deporting someone who is as bubbly and cheerful to you and who has done nothing to harm you, why not deport Tim Wise or Jeb Bush instead?

      • B.A_2014

        Tim wise and Jeb Bush are your side of the Atlantic so how you deal with your traitors is up to you in the end. She may be a nice person but that doesn’t make her part of my people. She has only been in the country for a couple of years. I have a half black cousin and I wouldn’t treat her differently from all the other non whites in my country. I’m a friendly person and have had some non white friends but they know my views and that if it were up to me, they wouldn’t have any place here.

  • pcmustgo

    I agree. Except I don’t consider them white, but people of varying degrees of mixed race. I have known many, many mixed race people in my life. I met a southern girl recently who was totally white looking but had trace amounts of Melungeon (Black/Native-American) ancestry. And I have met hillbilly Melungeons, “hillybilly portuguese” in the South before.

    • Who Me?

      “Melungeons, “hillybilly portuguese” = mystery meat

  • Anon Emus

    I’m very proud to say I’m “a-friggin-american”

    • haroldcrews

      “American” isn’t a particularly meaningful term. It can mean pretty much anything and therefore means nothing.

      • Bob Dole

        a homeland for everyone is a homeland for no one

        • HJ11

          Right.

      • Anon Emus

        I was being sarcastic of course, we’re all friggin americans.

      • IstvanIN

        When I think of an “American” I think non-hyphenated person of European descent. Everyone who is hyphenated, “Asian”-American, Mexican-American, Afro/African/black/etc.-American, etc. are not real Americans.

    • HJ11

      “American” what is that? That’s like saying you’re a Dodgers Fan. It is meaningless.

      We are Whites. It is our genes that give us our identity, not pieces of land.

  • Cid Campeador

    Carol was 1/4 Black. One of her grandmothers was.

    • ElComadreja

      A quadroon.

    • Jim Barlow

      She wasn’t black at all. She made it up.

  • Chasmania

    “Perhaps people who have mixed ancestry are more interested in their ancestry than people who don’t think they have mixed ancestry,” Dr. Long said.

    I was interested to find out my heritage. Not because I suspected or even WANTED to know if I had black heritage, but more specifically where my Europeans heritage came from. Turned out that I am a mix of NW Europeans with a smattering of British and an even smaller mix of Southern France/Iberian.

    • Spikeygrrl

      I was adopted at birth. My late [adoptive] parents claimed to have been given by the adoption agency very little information about my birth parents, and claimed to have passed all of it along to me. (This was when adoptions were SO “closed” they might as well have been hermetically sealed.) I believed what I was told, and all was well: mostly German on one side, mostly British Isles on the other.

      Just the other day I read in a novel — I know, I know, it’s FICTION! — that adoption agencies ROUTINELY tell adopting couples all sorts of lies so they won’t walk out of the process because of a baby’s unsavory ancestry. The most common of these routine lies was that the birth parents were clean-cut college students who were not married, who’d “made a mistake,” and just needed a chance to “straighten up and fly right.”

      That is SO close to what my late parents told me that the agency told them, that now I’m questioning EVERYTHING: Did my birth mother lie to the agency? Did the agency lie to my parents? Did my parents lie to me? I bonded so strongly into my parents’ family, its proud Anglo-Saxon heritage, and its connection to a uniquely fascinating, all-American subculture that I’m literally losing sleep wondering (pace Ronald Reagan) if EVERYTHING I know just isn’t so.

      I NEED THAT KIT. And once I get my results, what is AmRen’s policy: One-drop, “just a little” (a trace amount), 5%, 10%…? I would so hate to leave this board! In a new city, in a wheelchair for Pete’s sake (hopefully only for a few more months), you folks (and your counterparts at American Thinker) are literally all the friends I’ve got.

      • BlueSonicStreak

        Goodness gracious, why would you even consider leaving, regardless of the results? People with no white blood at all comment here; why should you stop, even if you turned out to be partially non-white?

      • Chasmania

        Racial heritage is something to be proud of, as long as it is married to a civil and civilized cultural heritage and upbringing.

        There are plenty of lily white, ignorant rednecks that I am simply mortified by when it comes to their behavior. The same easily goes for blacks. Their problem is they are genetically pre-dispositioned to some outlandish behavior and their culture (and so called ‘leaders’) encourages the very worst of their instincts. An issue we who identify as whites are seeing our culture being eroded and attacked at every turn and our young being lured into this cultural trap.

        As to your own conundrum I would say this. Get the test done and see the results. If there is a “problem” for you in your results that in and of itself is a sure sign that you’re going to be just fine. Under no circumstance should you let any result drive you away from a website that espouses the culture you identify with.

        • HJ11

          It is not about behaviors, but about genes. We are who we are because of genes. That is what matters in the long view of existence. I prefer poorly behaving Whites over good behaving non-Whites because the former–if they only breed White–will produce more Whites, while the latter will never produce Whites.

          • Chasmania

            Did you miss this part of my post ?

            “..Their{Blacks} problem is they are genetically pre-dispositioned to some outlandish behavior and their culture (and so called ‘leaders’) encourages the very worst of their instincts. ”
            To place sole importance about behaviour to genetics is a mistake. Upbringing and IQ is much more likely to have an effect on a persons civility and social character than a few genetic markers. I myself am a bit of a hothead, and regularly have to take a breath to keep from curb stomping the occasional idiot when they get within my ‘radar’. I am able to do this because of my upbringing and being taught that there is a time and place for all things, and that restraint is a virtue. Genetics didn’t get me there: Upbringing did.

          • HJ11

            Actually, your ability to control your impulses is genetic.

          • Chasmania

            Part of it may be influenced, but to imply that a trait like self control is totally controlled by genetics is simply silly.

          • HJ11

            Very few characteristics, if any, are totally controlled by genetics, because our genes help us adapt to various internal and external environmental forces.

            I often use the metaphor that genes are like the recipe and they also assemble the ingredients to make a cake but the oven is the environment.

          • Chasmania

            “Actually, your ability to control your impulses is genetic.”

            “Very few characteristics, if any, are totally controlled by genetics ”

            Do you even read what you write, I wonder ?

            …genes help us adapt… blah. You start by totally discounting upbringing, that thing you then fall back on as the metaphorical ‘oven’. Do me ( and yourself ) a favor and pick a course on your train of thought .

            Genetics predetermine certain things, physiologically speaking, but if you can’t see that being TAUGHT to use a fork and to NOT kill everything in sight and to be civil, etc … has scant to do with genes and is orders of MAGNITUDE more important than the odd trait or ten thousand. Lets pose a question.

            The Ferguson riots were caused more by a lack of instruction and bad upbringing, environment, etc… than they were by the slight deviations in IQ, brain chemistry and so forth. “Genetics” merely made the riots more likely

            A: True

            B:False

          • HJ11

            You’re obviously a troll and a lefty one at that. You rely on environment as a cause to hide the reality of genes. Perhaps, when you finish high school you may wish to go to college and study genes.

      • antiquesunlight

        Well it takes 6-8 weeks for your DNA to be processed, so don’t put it off if you’re going to do it. We like you here, so calm down.

      • Sick of it

        Michael still posts here and I have no problem with him whatsoever. Seriously, calm down.

      • Anna Tree

        I will do the test eventually but no matter what the results, I will still be an Amrener, a race realist and a staunched pro-white. I think you too.

        I see and will still see myself as White, I am and still will continue to think, act and talk like a White and that means loving and defending white interests/people/countries/cultures, no matter what others say. I think you too.

        To be a race realist Amrener and a pro-white is also about being for what is right, for the truth. Race realism and white nationalism is right in my opinion, regardless if I am white or not.

        I think white race realist philosophers will have one day to define who is White and I will honor the decision.
        I think thought that eventually outside the borders of white nations it could be good to have nations that although not white could still be pro-white and civilized.

  • cherrie greenbaum123

    My 58 year old coal burner neighbor has some half black adult kids. The boy isn’t bad looking at all. Kind of a hunk. The girl is a fat slob with the usual mess of negro hair. All in all an unfortunate race that should not be mixed with.

    • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

      I hope you are not attracted to the mullatoe son.

    • Pathfinder75

      “my coal burner neighbor…”

      You have my deepest sympathy.

      “All in all an unfortunate race that should not be mixed with.”

      I think the exact same way about the Mexicans and Central Americans in our country.

    • stonepillow

      I often read these comments simply to see what Cherrie greenbaum123 has to say

  • Lin

    When the mulatto Vanessa Williams was tested, she found out she was about 17% Finnish. She was excited- had no idea and put it on her list of countries to visit. I would say she has no business polluting Finland or claiming to be one of them.

    • the sound the flood the hour

      “put it on her list of countries to visit.”

      She’ll be shocked to find the lack of ‘diversity’ when she gets there no doubt.

  • The Dude

    Well, most blacks settled in the South during most of their history in America, so it’s normal white Southerners might have slightly more African ancestry, and the Northerners slightly less. The 1.4% presented in the article is certainly a nationwide average.

    • Mary

      Yes, “slightly more” is correct. But you can imagine the gleeful spin utilized by most media–“Racist Southern Whites Not So White After All, Revealed To Have Black Ancestry”. They literally salivate over this and twist it way out of proportion, naturally.

  • Mary

    I read a variation of this article, and it stated that 10% of White Southerners have at least 1% African DNA. So the vast majority have none, and for most who have it, it’s a very small percentage. But the slant of the article was obvious—more of the “murkiness” and “gray areas regarding race” spin. Yes, Africans who average around 25% White DNA are mixed, but Whites generally are not. But with the lying MSM’s twisting and misrepresentation, people who only scan the headline or skim the article will be left with the impression that we’re all equally mixed.

    • ElComadreja

      They’ve been trying to turn us all into “negros” for years.

    • Sick of it

      Her position is amusing considering her own origins. Genghis Khan and his ilk were not exactly white.

  • Itooktheredpill

    My 23 and me ancestry breakdown. I am about as white as they get.

    99.9%
    European
    82.8%
    Eastern European
    Northern European
    1.0%
    French & German
    0.4%
    British & Irish
    0.0%
    Scandinavian
    0.0%
    Finnish
    3.6%
    Broadly Northern European
    Southern European
    2.7%
    Balkan
    0.0%
    Sardinian
    0.0%
    Italian
    0.0%
    Iberian
    0.8%
    Broadly Southern European
    2.9%
    Ashkenazi
    5.8%
    Broadly European

    0% sub Saharan african, middle eastern, east asian etc.

    • Ultimate187

      Interesting. When you used this service, did you provide any background information to them about your race and family history? Or did they generate these results from just the DNA sample provided?

      • Itooktheredpill

        Just DNA. I actually originally got it for other purposes related to my health that required me to know what version of certain gene alleles I had. The ancestry composition ended up as a bonus.

        There are other ancestry testing services. I do recommend 23andme however as it has been great and very professional.

        • Itooktheredpill

          There is actually this great feature on 23andme called the global similarity map. It shows all the various genetic clusters (aka races) found world wide. Very interesting to see.

  • Hy Alldredge

    What’s notable here is that the major propaganda newspaper of the Cathedral is admitting without hesitation that race is genetic. The scientific research has progressed so much that they’re apparently ditching the line that race doesn’t exist. If this idea promulgates to the general population, perhaps more people will start to connect the dots between why people of different ancestry not only look but behave markedly different from each other.

    • Da Troof

      No, they’re not ditching it entirely, just when it benefits them. You act as if logical consistency is important to these people or something.

  • stonepillow

    I hope every reader of AMREN had a White Christmas!

  • Da Troof

    But race is a social construct guise.

  • ElComadreja

    It’s their natural tendency to make the gang/tribe bigger.

  • Itooktheredpill

    Go to 23andme.com and get your DNA tested. Only way to know for sure

  • Bossman

    This research is not very scientific or exact. It is interesting to note that most Latinos are about 61.5% European. It means that they can move freely between cultures; that alone should convey some power to them. What is also interesting is that those legislators who were defining who was white and not white were also descendants of Pocahontas.

    • Mary

      The research is grounded in DNA analysis; how is that not scientific? But it actually is not fully comprehensive in the sense that it involves self-selected data samples. For example, Latinos who are Whiter are more likely to be affluent and involved in a hobby such as genealogy where they choose to participate in DNA studies. This also may partly account for American blacks’ high average White ancestry percentages in this analysis. Genealogy is mainly for the middle class and above.

    • 3G4Me

      Those Latinos who’ve had their DNA tested by 23& Me or other firms are not your “average” Latino. They are a self-selected bunch and have a much higher percentage of European DNA than most Latinos. You’ve posted this lie innumerable times. Those who like to claim a bit of “Indian” ancestry are also usually perpetuating family myths. Your average American White is about 99% White. That last 1% is often genetic “noise” – the initial (and inexpensive) autosomal DNA test is not accurate enough to break it down. I realize this doesn’t support your agenda, Bossman. Get over it.

      • Bossman

        I did say that the research was not exact or very scientific. By the time anybody gets to look white, they will surely be of a very high percentage white. Anyone who has used 23&me must be better educated than average. According to the researchers, even the pure natives of the Americas already had some West Asian ancestry even before they came into the Americas.

    • Anna Tree

      It’s an average. It is possible that some/many Latinos are ~100% Spaniard or even German, some/many are mixed and most are just Aztecs.

  • Anglo

    I’ve seen people who are very fair, blonde, blue-eyed, yet I knew they had African ancestry. A man and his two children had blonde hair and fair skin; but their hair was very kinky, wiry; he had a reddish tone to his skin. People of Nordic ancestry simply do not have that particular skin tone nor that kind of hair texture they exhibited. African DNA will always express itself in some way. African ancestry is almost impossible to breed out, hence the one-drop rule.

  • John R

    Trust me, I have been around enough blacks to know them.

  • IstvanIN

    He could. It depends on the photo. On the other hand not all White people are handsome and our looks do deteriorate with age.

  • IstvanIN

    If you look White, act White, and support White survival you are White to me.

  • IstvanIN

    If you look White, act White, and support White survival you are White to me..

  • propagandaoftruth

    1. Looks White
    2. Lives White
    3. Acts White
    4. Self Identifies White
    —————
    Factors I use. “Looks White” gets a double weighting because it’s the strongest indication.

    • BlueSonicStreak

      I give the last one the most weighting, personally, because it is the biggest factor in how they choose to act.

      I once knew a girl who was 1/16th black who did NOT look white…she looked Latina or something. But she definitely identified herself as white (in the face of her black female friends insisting she should identify herself as black, mixed or a “person of color”).

      By contrast, I’ve met blonde/red-headed and blue-eyed Jews who identified themselves as Jewish, not white. (I am not using this as an example because I hate Jewish people, incidentally, but it’s the easiest contrast to make here.) I would never consider someone white who put another ethnic identity ahead of whiteness, no matter what they looked like.

      • propagandaoftruth

        The problem with number 4 is that Whites are under genocidal pressure and being turned into “the new Jews” by the brainwashing bifecta of “educa-media”, so…

        Many people who in a sane world would self ID as White…

        In our upside-down world are trying to survive by being ever squirming “me-last” worms.

        But things are changing. We approach a cascading “have you no decency” moment and the weight of the BS is straining the load-bearing façade of the rotten structure.

      • Luca

        Ashkenazi Jews acquired much of their European DNA by living and migrating from the Roman empire then throughout Europe and mainly in Germany.

        For all practical purposes they are European-mix but usually self identify as Jews first.

    • Sick of it

      Unfortunately, #4 is less common than it should be.

  • Jack Whistler

    I speak with no humor or jest when I say such people should be hanged as traitors to their race, and saboteurs of the human condition.

  • antiquesunlight

    She has blue eyes. She’s definitely not pure black.

  • Monkey Chatter

    Jews ‘look’ White, but they are not, and they do not fight for Whites nor care about us, they actively work against us. They are not your ‘white brothers’ no matter how pale they are.

    • antiquesunlight

      There are Jews and half-Jews on this website. Not all Jews are against us. I’ve known two Jews in real life who identified as white but were afraid that other whites would not accept them as such. I have no idea how widespread a feeling that is among them, but I suspect there are a fair number who would happily identify as white if it weren’t for all the weird conspiracy theorists.

  • Lt. Greyman, NVA

    negros use the brown paper bag test. Mixed but looking White will be oppressed or mocked as “unauthentic” black, but prized as trophies. If we are talking about a White homeland, One drop rule is a pretty good standard, with anything less judged on a case by case basis.

    Same Standard as Israel. The Amish are even more strict.

    • IstvanIN

      I thought the Amish took black converts?

  • Germanic Depressive

    I’ve had my 23andme test done and it came back as 100% European – and 99.5% of that Northern European with just half a percent Southern European. It was satisfying to look at the vast number of other groups from around the globe and see 0.0% for every single one.

    I don’t hate those other groups, I just love being what I am and I love my people and our distinct culture, history, appearance etc.

    I used to believe humanity needed to blend into one race before I woke up, and I’m really glad I realized the folly of that before having kids myself. Now I just need to actually have said kids.

    • DaveMed

      You have a funny username.

      • Germanic Depressive

        Thank you, I plan to add a funny avatar soon

        • Epiminondas

          Bismarck.

          • Germanic Depressive

            I turned his mustache and smile upside down but at this avatar size it’s not real obvious. He’s not looking as sad as I intended, but it will have to do for now.

    • Chaucersknight

      Break down the “European” areas please.

      • Germanic Depressive

        I am somewhat guarded with my exact details but I will tell you that my entire genetic composite is made up of some mixture of the following, and *very* heavily weighted (almost entirely) to one of them:

        1.) French
        2.) German
        3.) English
        4.) Irish
        5. Scottish
        6.) Scandinavian

        Now may I ask what you’re getting at?

        • Chaucersknight

          Just curious because you are sharing unique information. Do realize that they use your data and it is not private. I am sure you know this but just looking out for anyone willing to contribute to racial knowledge. Mercurially 23 has supposedly been discontinued last I heard.

    • Sick of it

      Did you run through the various tests to see where your Southern European blood came from?

      • Germanic Depressive

        I was just looking now and it gets into very speculative stuff at that point, but it seems like it may be from Spain.

        • Sick of it

          Fascinating. I don’t have Southern European ancestry, but Spain’s a pretty good result (imo).

          • Germanic Depressive

            What’s your breakdown like?

          • Sick of it

            British & Irish 42.7%
            French & German 16%
            Scandinavian 3.1%

            Everything else is conglomerate categories (broadly this, broadly that). I was surprised to find Eastern European DNA (again, broadly), but I assume it is related to my German ancestry. My family name is an old one in Prussia.

          • Germanic Depressive

            Interesting, thanks for sharing. I’d like to share my numbers but I get a bit nervous about it.

            I’ll just be a bit mysterious about it.

            So, mine came out:

            100% European
            99.5% Northern European
            .5% Broadly Southern European (0.0% listed for every subcategory, including Iberian, oddly – so who knows)
            ~90% British & Irish
            ~4.0% French & German
            ~.5% Scandinavian

            (So why the name Germanic Depressive then? I thought it was amusing, I like German people, and my former name here I forgot the password to and I needed something new)

          • Sick of it

            Over 30% of that broadly was Broadly Northern European. Again strange, since I know where my ancestors came from for the most part. It must be due to a lack of data at this point. Some of those genes came from my Dutch ancestors, others German, Anglo Saxon, probably more French, definitely more Scandinavian, etc.

  • John Smith

    If you look human and want to actively be one, I’d take you, for my part. If you want to ID as sub-human and consort with the same, even if you’re absolutely unimpeachably white genetically, I’d let you and exclude you from my society.

  • Weisheit77

    You can always tell where the US military has been. I’ve seen it in Germany.

  • davejon

    Some blacks have almost white skin but retain negroid facial features.

    • HJ11

      It’s important to remember that although white skin is our most striking difference from other races, we also have hundreds of other differences as well–bone structure, head shape, hair textures and colors, eye colors, and so on.

  • So, we have here an article by one Carl Zimmer✡who is attempting to muddy the concept of whiteness, as if his racial brethren doing so much to muddy our formerly white nations isn’t enough.

  • Anglo

    Her eyes always looked African to me — large and very, very dark.

  • Guy Luck

    He never said all people of European descent are Americans turd, but he did say that being of European descent was one of the requirements to be considered ” American”.

  • Lkoehn

    Lets face a dose of reality, if you had a choice going in would you choose to be white or black? Anybody that can pass for white is going to claim to be white just because things go better with white.

  • HJ11

    My 23and me came back as 100% European with 68.4% of it British and Irish and the rest various, French, German, etc.

    It’s a pretty good and relatively inexpensive way for all of us to learn a lttle, not only about our own family lines, but about evolution and how we came to be who and what we are.

    As far as who is White, I’ll take the one drop rule until a better idea comes around.

    I look at evolution as a little like distillation purifying drops from a greater volume of liquid and in time with the right matings, we can purify our family lines.

  • Lygeia

    Really its just about the behavior. Indians from the subcontinent of India have blacker skin than some Americans blacks. We don’t care about Indians having dark skin if they behave well. It’s not about skin color; it’s about behavior.

    • HJ11

      Wrong. It is about genes. If you do not have our genes,then nature has placed you as an enemy of our kind. And, one doesn’t have to intentionally be an enemy of our kind, to be one. Anyone who can cause us to go extinct is an enemy. And, those with different genes can do that by flooding our White gene pools with their non-White genes.

      • UncleSham

        People of different races are not necessarily enemies. They can be allies as long as their is mutual respect and both people take pride in their own race.

        • HJ11

          Nope. We are in eternal gene wars. The winner will be the one whose genes replace all other genes. All non-Whites are competing with us in these gene wars even when they and we are not conscious of this fact.

          Think of germs that can harm us. They have no intent to harm us, but they are our enemies simply because they can harm us. It is the same with other races.

          Nature doesn’t care about mutual respect or who takes pride in their own race. Nature just says: Let the type that is fittest, win. And, by “the type that is fittest,” nature means the one who wins.

          • Ella

            I agree with you if you want your family to remain Dutch, German, English, Czech and such that depends on genetic and heritage transmission. I hope my children demonstrate the same mindful selection as the rest did over generations.

          • Chaucersknight

            Czechs and Slavs were never legally white in the US until relatively recently!

          • HJ11

            “Legally,” has nothing to do with a biological reality.

          • Chaucersknight

            Oh come on! It did back then when Celts, Greeks, Poles , Slaves and Italians were not scientifically white. Have you read the court cases or the laws about the color line? Science was referenced all the time! It may make you uneasy but the vast majority of Anglo Saxon European immigrants changed their surnames, lied about their backgrounds, hid or kistchified their unique non WASP traditions and most importantly distanced themselves from Blacks. That is not “sticking together” or even “assimilation” that is self hating, dishonorable and worst of all makes one a straggler and a follower, non beholden to one’s rightful ethnicity.

          • HJ11

            You continue to mix up various things and one has to wonder if you are simply that confused or whether you are a troll.

            Look, this isn’t very difficult. Most Whites on the planet aren’t exclusively this or that nationality. We have feet and we’ve used them to move about.

            Most Whites are part this nationality and part that, etc.

            However, our most essential identity is White Race (actually, I say we are really a subspecies or even a species, but I’ll just go with the present taxonomy and accept race for this comment).

          • Germanic Depressive

            Are you one of these amusing chaps who would like to imply that all racial and ethnic distinctions are mere social constructs because they’ve shifted over time?

            Designation of new subspecies and re-categorization is something that happens a lot in taxonomic fields relating to animals, plants, etc.

            We, being humans, are imperfect and everything we make is therefore also imperfect including any sort of system of categorization we create.

            And none of us here is silly enough to believe that the existing races of humanity floated down from the sky fully formed in the same configuration and with the same distinctions that they had 500 years ago, say. We all know that blending, conquest, migration, etc. has happened since the dawn of time.

            None of that invalidates the fact that whites comprise a distinct, beautiful, and valuable subset of humanity which is worth recognition and preservation.

          • Chaucersknight

            I am talking about 23 and me. You are saying that white people who find out they have A small amount of Black ancestry and no identification with Blackness cannot be white while entire races of non Anglo Saxon people such as Poles, Slavs , Celts, Greeks, Italians can simply become “white” because of court rulings made LONG after the fact. I don’t hate anything but bad logic.

          • Germanic Depressive

            I never said I cared about “Anglo Saxons” – I care about and value white people, Europeans.

            All definitions and distinctions with biology are always imperfect, but I’m referring to the people who can regularly produce blue eyes and hair colors other than black. The people with white skin and pink portions of their bodies where other groups have dark brown.

            When it comes to places like Spain, Italy, Greece and other border territories of Europe, these people have had their genetics impacted by proximity to non-whites over time. So I would make determinations about who, from those countries, is white and who is not on a more specific basis. Northern Italians are typically white, for instance.

          • Sick of it

            There’s nothing wrong with being fond of dolichocephalic Celtic Nordic types (i.e. Anglo Saxons).

          • 1G25

            You are as full of $h it as a Christmas turkey. Go away.

          • HJ11

            Actually, you’re talking in terms of nationalities. I believe in Pan-Whiteism.

          • UncleSham

            I think that the future will go a lot smoother if nationalists of different ethnicities can come to some sort of peaceful agreement rather than continuously trying to conquer each other. It may be true that we can not share nations, but that doesn’t mean that we can not share the planet.

          • HJ11

            Competition is nature’s way to select the best of any type. In areas that are mostly White the competition is naturally between Whites, but today we face external non-White enemies whose very presence in our lands is a danger to our continued Whiteness.

            When we get rid of that external threat we can bicker among ourselves again, as we will, because, again, that’s the way natural selection works.

  • I am 3/16 American Indian: Cherokee and Tuscarora. I don’t mind it, and there is nothing much I can do about it anyway. I was once told here that only two white parents can produce a white child. I believe it. If we regress to the original problem, I am thus not white, though I “pass”. It was ugly back then. One of my ancestors bought a young Cherokee girl and screwed her until she was pregnant at age 12. At least he kept her and their kids.

    By marrying a Japanese lady, I deliberately didn’t pollute your bloodlines.

    • Chaucersknight

      Don’t sell yourself so short. Look at the wacky, kooky history of “racial classification” in the US: Are Armenians white or aren’t they? How could someone like your Japanese wife with her very white skin be nonwhite and Italians with a very dark skin and curly be white in one set of court proceedings and the reverse found in different courts on different days? You might be amazed…

      • HJ11

        With all due respect you’re falling into a semantics trap. His Japanese wife may look :”white,” (the color), but she is not White (the race). When most of us speak of Whites (capital W) we mean Aryan. By Aryan, we mean non-Jewish White people of European descent. By this we mean a White is one who is born of two White parents who were also born of two White parents who were also born of two White parents.

        • Germanic Depressive

          Indeed. A lot of people really seem to be very invested in convincing us we don’t exist.

          It seems to usually be people who either have a chip on their shoulder about their own ethnic makeup (insecurity about it, jealousy of whites or full blooded whites) or people who would like to see whites blended into oblivion, and therefore wish to undermine our sense of ourselves and imply that our destruction has essentially already taken place, so why fight it?

          • Chaucersknight

            No. This is about US history and racial identification which has been solely controlled by laws, the color line and cultural and racial alchemy. Unique to the US. If you are Anglo Saxon and were preaching inclusion of celts, Slavs etc 110 years ago you would have been a race traitor. Poles have enriched White America? Really?

          • There might have been some ethnic conflict between the different european ethnic groups in the US at one point but it wasn’t based on ethnicity or ‘race’. It had more to do with differences between religion, culture and language. I think you’re assertion that anglo saxons viewed other european ethnicities as a distinct out-group is greatly exaggerated though. They might have viewed them as an out-group but not nearly as much of an out-group as the chinese, the natives or the blacks.

          • HJ11

            My guess is that most of us here aren’t concerned about old laws that divided Whites. Those were from a time when the competition for dominance was by and between Whites. Now, we have external enemies–all non-Whites–who can destroy all Whites by infecting us with their genes.

    • Ultimate187

      “By marrying a Japanese lady, I deliberately didn’t pollute your bloodlines.”

      That’s not the reason you married her though.

    • LackawannaErie

      But you still pollute our websites.

      • BlueSonicStreak

        I only started commenting here a few months ago, barely know anyone yet, and consider myself to have just arrived here. I have disagreed with some people so far; but I would think it would be rich of me to challenge the overall contributions of the top posters.

        YOU have three comments thus far. Who the hell are you?

        • Sick of it

          We have a lot of fly-by-nighters who try to shut up long-time contributors.

  • Oh great, a Jewish author telling white people what being white does and doesn’t mean.

    • HJ11

      Yeah, typical Jewish behavior.

  • Ella

    Amish marry very young (18-22) and have kids younger. Marrying late is a type of birth control for BOTH males and females, which naturally shrink the family size.

  • Chaucersknight

    Plecker was a psycho who may have, like J edgar been part Jewis or something else as he had his birth records partially destroyed. A gaeansloist atepted to do atree and ran into “vanished” records. Plecker would attack the whitest looking people with no proof they had non white ancestry. When he was hit by a car it was well deserved. His bogus methods destroyed two generations of proper historical record keeping in regards to race and made the US look like backwards hillbillies. Why be scared of the truth in regards to ancestry? . And users on here with the whole “we are part Cherokee” is either fiction or used to cover up Black, Jewish or other ancestry. Interactions between Native Americans and whites have been so exaggerated and fictionalized. Other than Oklahoma and a few other isolated areas, breeding between whites and native Americans was almost non existent. Many getting “enrolled” today have 2% “First Nation” ancestry. It is a big welfare money grab .There are many people out there with mixed race or all Black grandparents or great grandparents who look fully white-certainly whiter and with straighter blonder hair than Frank Borzellieri and ilk. We don’t notice it, they don’t want to be Black so why should they identify with something they are not? Then there are Whites of European descent who don’t look that white such as Rita Ora, Johnny Cash’s first wife, Annette Funicello, Christian Louboutin, Lorne Green, Epstetin from Welcome Back Kotter etc and many others. Those people along with white looking mixed people are solely attacked today by blacks and Black identifying mixed race people. Black academics like Nutbar Gates are now the biggest upholders of the one drop rule. They want anyone with curly hair to be labelled “Black”.

    • IstvanIN

      Annette Funicello not White? huh?

      • Chaucersknight

        Google pics before she straightened her hair. I think she ‘s white.

  • Bill E. BOBB

    If someone is 1/16 blak, they probably look very white, but what if they inherited blak genes for low IQ? or for sociopathic behavior? or any of the many other undesirable blak traits? That would make them much more blak, even if they appeared white. whites are far more different from blaks than simply skin color. Look at how different the civilizations of africans, and Caucasians are, would you attribute it to skin color alone? And what if the blak traits are not expressed in this person, but are passed on in the offspring? blaks will only contaminate the white lineage, better to protect it, and civilization along with it

    • Chaucersknight

      You won’t know because most are in the closet or “part Cherokee” lol

  • Ella

    To mention I think many Europeans are more mixed with other European ancestries as you study various migratory groups and invasions from other European tribes. Europeans also had mass movement to escape religious persecutions.

    • Chaucersknight

      Hate to break the Viking tribal bubble but people who came from Ireland, Poland, Germany, Italy, Greece, and Jews from Russia and other Slavic nations all became, by virtue of the “melting pot” ethic, “Caucasian” whites in the US due to magical thinking. The Celtic, Nordic, Alpine and Mediterranean races were abolished in favor of the myth of one homogenous “white” race (with the adoption of the “scientific” term “Caucasian” providing a new legitimacy to the honorific “racial” term “white.”)

      • HJ11

        So, your point is?

        • Chaucersknight

          That non Anglo Saxons Europeans gained a great deal from the civil rights movement.

          • Forced integration and affirmative action hasn’t been all that great for Europeans. I would even argue that it hasn’t been all that great for blacks either seeing as how they’re in worse shape now than they were before the civil rights movement took off but that’s another issue.

          • HJ11

            Nonsense. Few Whites (and I suspect you are not White) scratch the surface that much to distinguish between Anglo-Saxons and other Whites.

            Our ancient tribes have always played leap frog as a natural part of evolution.

            When we were in all White lands, evolution and natural selection did not stop, it was just more intensely turned inward to automatically find the most fit among Whites for every niche.

            Today, we must turn our cannon outward, because the competition now isn’t within the White community: we now face truly alien genotypes in all non-Whites and their genotypes can wipe us out.

            I suspect more and more Whites are now circling the wagons against this external threat.

          • 1G25

            You obviously don’t know the definition of “Anglo-Saxon.”

            A relatively small number of CAUCASIANS (the subject at hand) who migrated to England from parts of what is now Germany many centuries ago.

            Stick to the subject. Or better yet, keep quiet until you know something about the subject.
            .

      • BlueSonicStreak

        You are really insulting people’s intelligence here by assuming people don’t already know this. I’m half-Slavic, and there are people TODAY who would not consider me white. I’m fully aware of this.

        I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove here. Social racial categories have evolved and changed many, many times over the course of human history. That does not necessarily mean that racial categories are completely meaningless; it definitely means that our understanding of human groupings is constantly evolving.

      • Germanic Depressive

        The era when white people could afford to split hairs or have internal divisions is over. If we’re going to survive, we need to have an overarching white identity and while I would love for us to preserve our distinct variations internally, and hope we can, that has to be a secondary goal particularly outside of Europe itself at this point.

        The prize is white survival, sad as it may be that our situation is that dire.

        • BlueSonicStreak

          Very good point. We absolutely need a pan-European sense of identity, old disputes and feuds aside. It’s not that white people will live in some utopia where we all adore each other, but we need to have some sort of united front vis-a-vis non-whites.

          But I need to note here that “Chaucersknight” is an anti-white troll obsessed with Madonna’s tits. The poorly-fitting username is quite misleading.

          • Chaucersknight

            Pro white. …what tits? Those are small.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            “Pro-white”? You look like a divisive troll to me.

            So, are you still a communist?

          • Chaucersknight

            And you miss my point…you can’t have pan-European anything when large portions of Europe morphologicaly are not Anglo Saxon.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            You don’t appear to HAVE a point. Your comments on this post are all over the map. Lay out what you are thinking so it can be discussed, or you are really just trolling for reactions.

  • Chaucersknight

    Odd that Middle eastern and Hispanic who clearly have African ancestry get the white pass legally or at least the Caucasian pass but all White looking “Blacks” don’t. According to the laws of the US at one point much of what it is “white” today was not white. Biggest lynching in US history of 11 Italians. Was that a failure of multiculturalism? I would venture to guess that close to half of the White Nationalists today would not have been considered White for centuries at a time in the United States. Irish, Greeks, Italians, Portuguese, Alpines, Syrians, Jews, Spaniards could be as white looking as you’d like but legally were not white.

  • Anon Emus

    How would you classify someone like Mariah Carey? Years ago I used think she was white, maybe Italian. She looks it.

  • gregCall

    i wouldn’t trust anything from that 23 and me DNA testing company. The FDA attempted to shut them down last year and the company is only operating because they sued claiming the FDA didn’t have the right to regulate DNA testing companies and won that argument.

    • Ultimate187

      The FDA isn’t the positive, benevolent force you think it is.

  • MekongDelta69

    From The New York Slimes:
    “Most Americans with less than 28 percent African-American ancestry say they are white, the researchers found.”

    African-American – Capitalized, hyphenated American, noble and proud.
    white – small letters, (implied) not worthy to be American, low-lives and despicable.

    • BlueSonicStreak

      Both “African” and “American” are proper nouns. “White” (and “black”) are not.

      Honestly never understood the obsession with capitalizing these things.

      • IstvanIN

        White is a proper noun when referring to European-Americans.

  • Jack Richards

    I have two grand-children who are officially “Aborigines” and get extra handouts because of it. My little grand-daughter is the epitome of Australia’s indigenous people in every respect: long strawberry blonde hair; eyes as blue as the south Pacific; winter skin as white as pasteurised and homogenised milk that tans quickly in summer, a smattering of freckles. What’s important is the 1.56% Aboriginal ancestry – and we’ll just ignore the 98.44% English, Irish, Scottish and German DNA.

  • HJ11

    Class does not count just as much as race. We are our genes and our genes are us. Lose our genes and we are no longer us.

  • Sick of it

    Does he donate to groups which seek our destruction? It’s very possible.

  • HJ11

    Try natural law instead of man made law.

  • HJ11

    Every word ever uttered by humans is a made up word. I define White (uc W) as a non-Jewish White person of European descent. I don’t care what some others in the past (or present) use as a definition. I left the herd a long time ago.

  • HJ11

    Ah, okay, what about them?

  • HJ11

    So tell us what makes you elite. Do tell. And, tell us how successful you are.

  • BlueSonicStreak

    Whiteplight, sorry for the late reply. Disqus oddly never notified me of your comment.

    I just wanted to say that I think I agree very much with you. Your observations about Stormfront are mine as well. There is quite a bit of discussion of history there, and while some of it when I read it seemed interesting…some of it was just so obviously and wildly wrong that it frustrated me. I am not the greatest student of history ever, and I was concerned to read any of it when I saw how wrong some of it was, because I didn’t want to be taken in by nonsense that might be more subtle. I just had to write it all off.

    I also agree about Christianity. How is it a “white” religion? How are people so invested in the idea of the idealistic white ethnostate also being Christian?

  • panasian

    @ AR: You have been removing my comments about Jewish intelligence in my reply to Raymond Kidwell. There was nothing offensive in my comments. What’s the problem? Am I censured because I don’t agree with Raymond Kidwell’s assessment of Jewish intelligence?