No Charges in Eric Garner Chokehold Case for N.Y.P.D. Officer

J. David Goodman et al., New York Times, December 3, 2014

A Staten Island grand jury voted on Wednesday not to bring criminal charges in the death of Eric Garner, a black man who died after being placed in a chokehold by a white police officer.

The decision was reached after months of testimony, including from the officer who used the chokehold, Daniel Pantaleo. {snip}

For days, the New York Police Department has been preparing for a new round of protests, which first began in the city after the Ferguson decision and were expected to continue and possibly grow if the grand jury declined to bring charges against the officer.

Mayor Bill de Blasio, saying that it was a “deeply emotional day” for the Garner family and all New Yorkers, acknowledged that many people would not agree with the grand jury’s decision.

{snip}

The officer at the center of the Staten Island case released a statement offering the family of Mr. Garner his sympathies.

“I became a police officer to help people and to protect those who can’t protect themselves,” Officer Pantaleo said. “It is never my intention to harm anyone, and I feel very bad about the death of Mr. Garner. My family and I include him and his family in our prayers and I hope that they will accept my personal condolences for their loss.”

Jonathan C. Moore, a lawyer for the Garner family, said they hoped that federal prosecutors would continue to examine the case, and he urged people upset by the decision to voice their dismay, but to do so peacefully.

“We’re astounded by the outcome of the grand jury process and that after hearing months of evidence and having deliberated that they would find no true bill as to any potential criminal charge,” Mr. Moore said in a phone interview.

“It’s very upsetting to us–we obviously hope that the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District, Loretta Lynch, will take a close look at this.”

{snip}

The grand jury, impanelled by the Staten Island district attorney, Daniel M. Donovan Jr., in September, has weighed evidence, including a cellphone video recorded by bystanders of Mr. Garner’s violent arrest, and heard testimony from the officers involved.

{snip}

The case exposed apparent lapses in police tactics–chokeholds are banned by the Police Department’s own guidelines–and raised questions about the aggressive policing of minor offenses in a time of historically low crime. The officers involved, part of a plainclothes unit, suspected Mr. Garner of selling loose cigarettes on the street near the Staten Island Ferry Terminal, a complaint among local business owners.

Mr. Garner’s death hastened an effort to retrain all the department’s patrol officers and brought scrutiny on how officers who violate its rules are disciplined. Officer Pantaleo has been stripped of his gun and badge.

It was unclear whether Officer Pantaleo would return to enforcement duties. Commissioner Bratton said he would remain on suspension pending an internal investigation by the Police Department.

The Rev. Al Sharpton, who is scheduled to hold a news conference with Mr. Garner’s family later in the evening, said that he was not surprised by the decision and that he had little faith in local prosecutors when it came to pursuing cases against the police.

“People thought we were being extreme,” Mr. Sharpton said. “But now, I think you can see, we have no confidence in the state grand juries, whether in Ferguson or in New York, because there is an intrinsic relationship between state prosecutors and the police; they depend on the police for their evidence, they run for office and depend on the unions for endorsements.”

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  • MekongDelta69

    Now arriving at Gate 21 – Al Sharp-Tonnage, Jesse Hi-Jackson, Calypso Louie, and Eric Hold ‘Em Up.

  • dd121

    Watching the news the last year or so, the actual “facts” don’t seem to matter. It’s all about making the point that all whites are “racist” and all blacks are “victims”.

    • APaige

      I heard the officer in charge at the scene was a Black female.

    • JohnEngelman

      An event like this enables blacks to stop thinking about their congenital limitations.

      • LHathaway

        interesting.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Maybe Obama Bin Laden would find the “Cop-Cam” money better spent on
      public service announcements portraying the dangers of resisting arrest.

      • dd121

        I don’t think the point is to fashion a practical solution.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          Indeed. We are dealing with pirates.

          • Who Me?

            Are you sure you didn’t mean to say primates?

    • Sheik Yerbouti

      And that it’s OK to resist arrest or attack cops, but it’s a mortal sin for a cop to defend himself from an “unarmed” youth. And yes, all whites are racists of course.

  • DaveMed

    I have to say that I find this case to be nothing like those of Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin. I can’t find any way to defend what I saw on the video. While I wish that the White men were in the right here, I just don’t see it.

    I also think that it’s prudent to remember that such tactics may well be used against us once the coalition of the colored has taken control of the police forces in America.

    • Reynardine

      Mr. Garner had a rap sheet as fat as he was. The officer in question did not use a club, taser, gun, or fist, but tried to submit the huge giant with a rear choke, and a fairly non-aggressive one at that. Things can go wrong even with the least lethal methods. The officer was not aware of Mr. Garner’s medical history either. I cannot blame the officer in question.

      • DaveMed

        It was something like five policemen against Garner.

        I can’t think of any good excuse for this outcome.

        • Reynardine

          I laud you for your objectivity in this matter, but in reality, the autopsy revealed that Garner died of his own poor health. The New York Times reports:

          “Mr. Garner, who was at least 6 feet 3 inches tall and who, friends said,
          had several health issues: diabetes, sleep apnea, and asthma so severe
          that he had to quit his job as a horticulturist for the city’s parks
          department.”

          For a healthy person, a chokehold isn’t going to right-out kill you. A taser or club might though.

          Also, do you really think that black police officers would use any discretion or gentleness with whites?

          • DaveMed

            Regardless of his health problems, he would not have died had he not (unnecessarily, in my opinion) been so roughly handled.

            And, no. I don’t believe that Blacks would be more gentle.

          • Mr. Garner resisted when he didn’t have to. He chose the outcome of this incident by his refusal to comply with officers at the scene.

            The more he resisted, the more officers were forced to increase the level of force used in order to gain compliance. Mr. Garner, by his actions, forced the officers to use more force. It wasn’t their fault that he was morbidly obese and had serious heath problems.

          • Bob Johnson

            “He resisted when he didn’t have to. He chose the outcome of this incident by his refusal to comply with officers at the scene.”

            I liked that a lot better in its original form, when the feds used it to justify the slaughter of randy weaver’s family. Its reprisal when Reno used it to defend the waco massacre was pretty good too, although not as good as when Israel uses it to justify the shooting of white phosphorous into palestine.

          • Reynardine

            These are completely different situations. A more apt comparison would be if they killed Randy Weaver’s son while trying to wrestle him into submission. The Feds at Weaver’s and Waco were armed with firearms, implying that they were absolutely ready to kill. The police in the Garner incident used no weapons at all!

          • IBWHITE

            Have you ever watched a collegiate wrestling match? It’s extremely difficult to control another human being your own size or even smaller. Garner was a very large and powerful man and police officers are trained to subdue combatants quickly by overwhelming them with sheer numbers and force if at all possible. Had Garner cooperated with officers and allowed himself to be cuffed he would have celebrated thanksgiving last Thursday. On the other hand – had Garner been a heavily tattooed White biker it would have never made it out of the local news. I don’t feel the least bit sorry for Garner. He made his bed, let him lay in it.

          • John Jackson

            Give me a break, first off, I really don’t care if a guy selling cigarettes gets arrested or not. See, Mike Brown, that guy was a big, violent thug who was a danger to society, this Garner guy was harmless, you really want cops and courts wasting time on guys who sell cigarettes. If you had to do something give the guy a ticket and move on. Geez.

          • Nonsense! If it wasn’t this incident it would have been another. Mr. Garner would have resisted either way, and his criminal rap sheet since 1980 which showed priors for resisting arrest demonstrates that he had no intention of being handcuffed whether it was for a misdemeanor or a violent felony.

          • IBWHITE

            “Give me a break, first off, I really don’t care if a guy selling cigarettes gets arrested or not.”

            I’m sure the merchants who legally sell cigarettes would disagree with you. In fact, that was probably who contacted police regarding Garner in the first place. You see operating a store 16 hours a day doesn’t leave you much time to confront a 400 lb negro, with an attitude, who’s too lazy to make a living in a legal manner.

            Then there’s the question of how did Garner obtain all these cigarettes – since he had 31 prior arrests. A good cop will want to know the answer to that and decide if Garner was your average sneak thief at the local qwick mart or possibly part of a crew pulling heists around the area. At around $8.00 a pack a truckload of smokes is a pretty nice score.

            Had Garner cooperated with police like a civilized human being things would have been much different. But you see Garner, and many, many Blacks like him, aren’t about to take orders from some lily White pig because they think they’re above the law. And apparently you agree with him.

          • John Jackson

            Once again, there is no proof he was selling cigarettes that day, do some more research. Second, I feel for the merchants, however, that’s something they should take up with the city and state who put such a stupid law in place to begin with, I’d say too much taxation is the real culprit here, not some petty criminal, go arrest some politicians.

            Your last paragraph was just stupid and doesn’t even deserve a response.

          • IBWHITE

            Only the cops involved know the full story at this point. And the feeling is mutual about giving a stupid response. I’ll be happy to ignore you and you can return the favor.

          • John Jackson

            We all the know story, it was on tape.

          • IBWHITE

            The struggle was on tape. What took place prior to that is not. You have no idea if there was a complaint or a prior investigation to this incident so quit coming off as obnoxious.

          • John Jackson

            I’m not being obnoxious, the whole point is was there excessive force, you do realize this don’t you????? THAT is all right there on tape, so was it excessive or wasn’t it?

            People only bring up the before as to ask was this amount of force necessary, the ONLY charge I’ve heard against this man, which is sounding more and more like it didn’t even happen, is he was selling cigarettes. Such a crime does not warrant arrest and 5 officers, and putting your knee on the guys head and grinding it into the ground.

          • IBWHITE

            Well in my view it WAS NOT excessive force! Do YOU understand?

          • John Jackson

            Then that is finally getting to the heart of the matter, so let me ask you:

            1. Should selling cigarettes be a crime (if he even was)

            2. How serious a crime, misdemeanor, felony?

            3. Is it an arrestable offense or do you give a warning, a ticket, leave it up to the cop, garnish his paycheck – or likely in his case his welfare check?

            4. If it is an arrestable offense, how necessary is it that the person should be arrested, what level of force do you use, any means necessary? Try verbal threats of a taser, etc? Try every possible way to talk to him first?

          • IBWHITE

            1- Stealing anything should be a crime regardless of what it is. Illegally selling a controlled product should also be a crime.
            2- Depends – anything from a city ordinance violation to a felony.
            3- Depends – If a controlled product is sold to a minor or the product was stolen it should most certainly warrant an arrest and prosecution.
            4 – You give the person a chance to cooperate and when he refuses you use whatever is necessary to take him in.
            A cop cannot simply walk away from a crime being committed. Especially when complaints have been made regarding the subjects behavior. This huge negro had been arrested 31 times prior to that confrontation. I would bet the cops knew him or were aware of his record when they approached. And again I will repeat – Had this negro thug cooperated with the cops he would most likely be alive today. He chose to fight with police when he resisted. The police did not choose to fight with him.
            You do know that it was reported he did not die from the alleged chokehold don’t you?

          • John Jackson

            Stealing? I’d agree, but who’s talking about stealing?

            Cops let people get away with petty crimes all the time, so yes, they can walk away from it.

            You say any means necessary, regardless of the offense? Well, thank God few people think like you.

            This has been fun, but I’ve completely lost interest in it at this point, likely you and I would agree on more things than we disagree on, but this one we disagree and will just have to leave it at that.

          • IBWHITE

            “You say any means necessary, regardless of the offense? Well, thank God few people think like you.”
            And thank God I never had to apprehend a criminal with someone like you as backup. This is my last response to you.

          • model1911

            Would you have preferred they kiss and hug him into submission?

          • tlk244182

            Some people just hate cops.

          • John Jackson

            …and some people defend them even when they’re wrong. I don’t hate cops, it’s called looking at each situation objectively.

        • I can. When you have someone as large as Mr. Garner, it takes several officers just to subdue him. Mr. Garner played a form of resistance in order to gain sympathy from witnesses and to indict the police officers on scene for abuse. This is why on the surface it looked so bad, but that was Mr. Garner’s choice to take it to such extremes.

          Looks like when the facts were carefully looked into, the Officer was not in the wrong at all.

          Last point. Police work isn’t pretty. Sometimes it’s just downright ugly. But that’s the nature of having to apprehend and subdue people who resist and fight the police. There’s a time to fight back and represent oneself, but it doesn’t happen when the police (whether right or wrong) start to place the handcuffs on. Those who resist in this form will always lose and likely get themselves seriously injured.

          • DaveMed

            I don’t know. It seems to me that once the reinforcements were in place, they could have dialed the force down a notch.

          • I hear you, but as a retired police officer, I’ve seen these types of incidents more than once. In the end, somebody’s got to gain control of this very large man and if he refuses to comply, it’s going to get downright ugly. But that was Mr. Garner’s choice. It was him who chose to up the ante.

          • DaveMed

            Well, if that is the case, you certainly know more about this kind of thing than I do.

            It goes without saying that I can imagine the challenges that must accompany being a police officer in environments that are culturally enriched.

          • Honestly, it’s fun when you’re a young cop fresh out of the academy because there’s always ‘action.’ After a few years, you become numb to it. After a decade or so, you no longer care and eventually as a white officer you want nothing to do with them.

            You become a ‘race realist’ without even formally knowing it. You pick up things about race and culture that no other line of work would teach you.

          • [Guest]

            I can very well imagine that what you say it true. But do black police officers also become race realists after dealing with black savagery year after year? When it comes down to it, which side are they on?

          • Reynardine

            The capacity for black self-delusion is infinite.

          • Yes, actually they do. Many, in fact, already know quite well about their own people. What may surprise a new young white officer in no way surprises them.

            Most black officers will not align with the ‘race-realist’ perspective as promoted here on Amren for obvious reasons. But in their own way, they will admit to black dysfunction and the criminal pathology that marks blacks wherever they live.

            I’ve heard some of the most anti-black things said by black officers themselves. Sometimes it’s subtle, but if you know what to look and listen for, they’ll admit the very things we discuss regularly on this site. They just don’t the white man to hear what they really think because it may threaten the ‘oppressed’ narrative and ‘gibs-me-dat’ culture that they’ve become accustomed to.

          • [Guest]

            Thank you for answering. That sounds reasonable.

            I will say, though, that when it gets down to it, white people seem more likely to hold to some principle or other, whereas blacks seem always to be black first and foremost. Racial solidarity, even when it’s lunatic, comes first with them. For that reason, I never regard a black as a trustworthy ally.

          • IBWHITE

            Spot on. When a law enforcement officer struggles with a resisting criminal it may actually be the fight of his life.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            One blogger on another site said that Garner died of a heart attack, due to obesity, not asphyxiation.

          • DaveMed

            Well, a heart attack would be possible if he was being asphyxiated, or undergoing severe stress in general.

            But heart attacks don’t usually look like what I’m seeing in the video.

          • meanqueen

            I believe he did have a cardiac arrest, but it was likely a result of hypoxia from an asthma attack.

          • tlk244182

            Short of letting him walk away, I dont see any notches below what they actually did.
            I honestly think I would say the same thing if it were a White Nationalist being arrested by 6 en words. The force level was exactly correct.

          • Reynardine

            One of my former college professors was an auxiliary officer who told me some pretty gruesome stories. One of the stories involved the arrest of a known felon with the help of two other officers. The felon went for something in his pocket while struggling with the three policemen. My professor reacted quickly and slammed the man’s head into the bumper of a nearby car. The felon had been carrying a gun. It could have turned out far more gruesome… a lot of police books teach you never to underestimate what someone has or what they might do.

            “He who hesitates is lost.”

          • John Jackson

            So cops should shoot first, ask questions later? Yes, there will always be that “story” of some crazy perp, however, that doesn’t give you the right to manhandle everyone you see.

            Cops have right to defend themselves, no one would deny that, but at the same time they take the job knowing it involves those kinds of risks, likewise, from what I understand the cops knew this guy, they knew he was a small time crook and for the most part harmless, sorry, but your argument just doesn’t hold water here.

          • You’re missing an important element of an officer’s job: Yes, they have the right to defend themselves, but they also have the right – nay, the duty! – to ENFORCE the law! They are law ENFORCEMENT officers – get it?

            You may not like them enforcing certain laws and I would probably agree with you, but officers assigned to plain-clothes street crimes have to enforce these kinds of laws.

          • John Jackson

            That is weak and you know it. First off, officers have discretion and they use it all the time, I know, I have a brother and 4 cousins that are cops and they’ve let people go for far worse stuff than this.

            Likewise, even if I agree he needed to be arrested, there was a better way to do this, have you even watched the video?

          • Reynardine

            I never said shoot first, at all. I’m talking about a situation in which you are feet from a perp and one that might turn into something very bloody in a very short period of time. Garner might have had a boxcutter or knife on him. It would have been outrageous if they had just shot him or tasered him, but these officers displayed some immense self-control and chose to end the dispute as peacefully as their training afforded them.

          • John Jackson

            OK, I can’t keep repeating myself, but the officers knew this guy, he wasn’t some stranger. They knew he did some petty stuff but that is all. He was kinda like Otis on “Andy Griffith”, they knew he wasn’t dangerous and as far as I know in all his prior arrests he was not found with weapons, if I’m wrong on that correct and I’ll admit I was wrong.

          • Reynardine

            How many times have I heard “he didn’t do nuffins” or “he was a good boy” or other nonsense when a black goes utter jungle bananas. You cannot relax around these people. You cannot predict these people. You cannot reason with these people. These officers KNOW THIS.

            I can predict what my dogs and cats are going to do. These people are far more foreign to us than even our animal companions.

          • John Jackson

            You’ve got to be a troll, no one can be this absurd.

          • Reynardine

            “He was kinda like Otis on ‘Andy Griffith'”? Really? How do you know? Do the 30 previous arrests, including some for assault and resisting arrest tip you off? Did you know Mr. Garner personally in order to make this assumption?

            I am sorry that you are as deluded as many of the disingenuous white liberals whom we mock on this site.

          • John Jackson

            White liberal? My God, could you be anymore of a moron?

            I saw many articles which said he was arrested in the past for “assault” but that can mean anything, I got arrested for assault once for a bar fight which I didn’t start, I was just sitting at the bar and suddenly got hit in the head with a bottle cuz the guy thought I was with the guy he was mad at, cops just came in and grabbed all of us, no charges were ever brought on me.

            I don’t know the man personally, but the cop on the scene did, he was a petty criminal, maybe you ought to look into the BS laws about selling cigarettes and how the govt is just using that crap to make cops tax collectors eh?

            I’m not a liberal, tho it’s fools like you who give them their ammo, see there’s 3 kinds of white people, the looney Marxists (there are no liberal anymore), people like me who just want to live non-violently with their own race, and then clowns like you who make people like me look bad and ensure we will never have a white nation.

          • Reynardine

            I’d like to have a more reasoned discussion, but you decided to start calling me names. Nothing quite makes my point like you deleting one of your own comments.

          • John Jackson

            ??????? I didn’t delete my comment, guess an admin did, I’d like to know why as much as you. I don’t recall calling you a name until you called me a white liberal, and I only called you out on such a foolish assumption.

          • John Jackson

            Well, I’ve tried 3 times to respond to you and they keep getting deleted, whoever the admin is that keeps deleting my post: do you think maybe you could give some reason why you are deleting them? I’ve used no foul language or violated any of your rules, what is the deal here?

          • ZB01

            Mr. Garner played a form of resistance in order to gain sympathy from witnesses and to indict the police officers on scene for abuse.”

            Mind read much?

          • No, just from what I observed after watching the incident and reading about the case. I’ve seen this sort of thing many times. There’s no need to be a mind reader or a magician, just a working knowledge of blacks and how they agitate and overreact to things, as well as personal experiences as a street cop when the same thing happened to me (although it didn’t lead to anyone’s death).

          • meanqueen

            Well apparently this black wasn’t overreacting – he really was having an asthma attack and he really couldn’t breathe and he really did die because of it.

          • tlk244182

            Troll much?

          • ZB01

            If you look at the totality of my comments on this board, you can figure that out for yourself.

            Even other posters—on this particular incident—concede that, prima facie, it doesn’t seem quite as clear cut as those of Trayvon Martin and/or Michael Brown—two men who undoubtedly presented an existential threat to the men who would be forced to take their lives.

            Thank you.

          • John Jackson

            I’ve watched this video, yes, he was backing away, yes he did slap the officers hands away, but come on, it’s not like he was swinging at anyone or trying to tackle someone, they cops got ugly way to quick in this one.

          • These officers knew quite well that Mr. Garner would have only further fought them. Rather than allow things to escalate to the use of a Taser or baton, they chose instead to tackle and dog-pile him which was appropriate under the circumstances.

            Funny, didn’t people criticize the LAPD officers who beat Rodeny King with their batons instead of tackling and dog-piling upon him? Well, here’s a case in which NYPD officers did exactly the right thing, yet they’re lamely criticized by the same persons who are never happy no matter what police officers do.

          • John Jackson

            Guess you don’t pay attention do you? I clearly stated in the Darren Wilson case he was completely justified in his actions, these men were not, I judge each case individually, the profession or skin color of the people involved means nothing to me.

            Even in Rodney King – I think RK was a scumbag, and on a personal level I say he deserved every bit of that beating, however, I have no desire to live in a society where cops can give out a beat down, we need due process, today it’s some scumbag thug, tomorrow it’s you are me because we participate in “hate speech”, you get it?

        • tlk244182

          It’s an arrest, not a fight. It is actually safer with more police because it makes it less likely that the suspect can effectively resist. And that bullshit about not being able to breath: all perps say that, if you’ve ever watched “Cops.”
          They act like Shaft until they’re on the ground being cuffed, then they whine like children.

          • DaveMed

            Oh, don’t get me wrong. It’s a good thing that there were so many cops involved.

            My point was that, with so much help, shouldn’t they have managed to secure him without doing the things that led to his death?

          • Reynardine

            How would you have done it differently? His arms were facing forward, making a grab for a arrest hand-lock difficult. How would you know that a headlock was inappropriate?

      • Laura Dilworth

        What were the prior offenses?

        • The All Seeing Bry

          Not sure about prior offenses, but you can tell by the dialect that himself and the police had a history. He obviously sells cigarettes on the black market because taxes are so high on tobacco in NY.

          He was suspected of doing this, and that is why an undercover cop was there.

          • Laura Dilworth

            Minority business owners complained about him pedcdling cigs in front of their shops. Makes me crazy when approached at intersections

          • The All Seeing Bry

            I personally have no problem with selling tobacco on the black market. The black market is normally the “free market”. He was breaking the law though. I don’t live in the city, but it must be annoying if they are always approaching you.

          • Laura Dilworth

            And not really fair to businesses who go by the law and sell them at the going rate. Then the competition is hawking them cheaper in front of your establishment. I know someone who did time here in Illinois. He had a store. Went to Indiana to get cigs cheaper and to avoid taxes…

          • The All Seeing Bry

            I’m in favor of avoiding taxes, these people selling “illegal cigarettes” are the “good guys” as far as I’m concerned. Screw the business owners, but most of all, screw the government.

          • Laura Dilworth

            Ha!

        • Mr. Garner had over 30 prior arrests beginning in 1980. His arrests included resisting an officer, assault, and grand larceny. Gee, what a surprise, eh?

          • Laura Dilworth

            Thank you. Not sure what all the fuss is about

          • Dr.Bazzi

            30 prior arrests and this black fool decides at 31 he resists.
            All he had to do was go with the arresting officers and he would be out once again as in the last 30 times.
            Dumb dead negro fool.

      • benvad

        Ok he was a big monster but there were 5 cops, shouldn’t have needed to choke him.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          He was a big monster resisting arrest. In both these cases, Mike Brown–now this guy, if they hadn’t resisted arrest they’d both still be alive today. Let’s not lose sight of the core facts. The first illegal act was selling contraband, the 2nd was resisting arrest, the 3rd was the choke hold.

          • me

            Indeed! The insane ‘sympathy’ for a thug, and complete lack of appreciation for the police, is part of the fall of the American Empire. Crime isn’t ‘pretty’. Put yourselves in the policemen’s shoes. Did these commenters want the police to let Garner pummel them? Shoot or stab them? What’s the point? Resisting arrest is a crime. This thug sympathy is like a virus that’s going to kill them someday….

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I think tasers may have mitigated things a little, but resisting arrest is resisting arrest. You step through that threshold, you’re on your own. That’s the moral of the story in these two cases.

          • Reynardine

            Tasers are way more painful than a headlock, and far more likely to kill someone, especially someone with a heart condition.

      • tlk244182

        Yes. If the choke-hold had been tight, it would have been evident in Garner’s voice. Anyone can demonstrate this for himself, simply by constricting his own neck slightly and then speaking. The fact that Garner was able to speak normally means that there was virtually no constriction of his carotid arteries.

        • Good point. The officers did not use the ‘carotid hold’ which is against NYPD policy. Instead, they tried to subdue him with a choke hold that permitted him to breathe. Good Lord, they had to get this very large man to the ground somehow!

        • Reynardine

          Indeed! Thank you for bringing this up. I think people need to realize that there is a difference between strangulation (constriction of bloodflow) and choking (constriction of airflow). Garner could obviously talk, so he wasn’t being choked. Technically the police placed him in a stranglehold.

    • pcmustgo

      I’m not sure how to feel. I need to hear more evidence and how the jury made it’s decision. He did resist arrest and was a big guy,.

      • DaveMed

        True. I will not say “Pantaleo was guilty”, but nor will I reflexively defend his actions simply by virtue of his race.

        • B.A_2014

          I don’t think he was guilty, nor do I think jabba the hut deserved to die but sometimes these things happen. I think it says something about our race when on an ” evil far right neo Nazi” site we can be objectionable when discussing an incident like this. You wouldn’t find that sort of honesty on world star hip hop, the N.O.I site or wherever the afrocentrists hang out.

    • Whitetrashgang

      yes, these people have a point this time, police get away with lots of things, let us all not over look this. Or they will get away with using it on us, which they already do.

    • alex

      Such tactics will be used against us regardless of the jury decision in this case.
      You can spend your vacations volunteering at the local Human Society. It won’t stop a pack of pit bulls from attacking you.

    • benvad

      The cop was wrong. Let’s not give the police a pass all the time. I’ve gone through nonsense with new guys “rookies” that act like Sean Penn in the movie Colors. The get a little self righteous at times, I’ve experienced it before.

      Saying that you’ve got to keep your wits about and humour the cops. They’re like bouncers at clubs, just looking to give a beat down.

    • Charlie

      What makes you think, that, the “coalition of the colored” will soon take over this country? There are only 40 million Blacks in this country…for starters, what makes you think that White police officers won’t ever use these type of tactics on Whites? So, you believe that Whites are somehow, immune to police misuse of force? Why do you think that they’re pushing for gun control, and not just the Liberals? The police would love to have the entire citizenry of this country, unarmed and prone, Whites included…I guess you never heard of Ruby Ridge and Waco, where the ATF used unreasonable force to kill Whites…the police are in the hands of the Zionists, not the minorities or the Whites, for they know that Whites are the most populous, most organized, as well as the most likely to be armed in American society…you can be complacent if you want, and believe, “well, at least I’m not Black”, because when the “order” is implemented, there will be millions of Whites that will fall into the Zionist grip, much like the Ukrainians in Stalin’s Soviet Union of the 1930’s…

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Maybe this will help.

      http[colon]//www[dot]thegatewaypundit[dot]com/2014/12/breaking-eric-garner-arrest-death-supervised-by-black-female-police-sergeant/#disqus_thread

      • DaveMed

        Frankly, that only makes it more likely that there was some incompetence at play.

  • There are massive street protests going on as I type. I posted a link on my site to the live coverage on youtube and some tweets from the scene. It’s total chaos as the police are arresting lefties for civil disobedience. And so the leftists continue their assault upon whites.

    I posted these comments:

    THE GOAL IS THE OVERTHROW OF THE ENTIRE WESTERN SYSTEM OF LAW AND THE RACE REPLACEMENT OF ALL WHITE POLICE OFFICERS WITH LEFTIST SCUM

    We’ve been seeing a lot of this lately as leftists mobilize in the streets to protest black deaths, blaming the police for catching too many black criminals. Not until the police forces of America are totally destroyed will the leftists be happy. Once the police are destroyed, then the USA can be dismantled, brought into a one world government tyranny.

    All the racial violence is going in one direction, from blacks to whites. The national media wants you to believe that whites are murdering and beating blacks with total impunity.

    Resist the lies. Learn the truth. The truth will set you free.

    • DaveMed

      The injection of race into the incident is, of course, absurd.

      The ethics of the police actions and the racial element of the media’s reporting ought to be kept separate.

    • pcmustgo

      Check out twitter’s #whitelivesmatter

      • pcmustgo

        There’s been 100’s of honest comments removed and many pictures too, but it’s still going strong and there’s too many of us for Twitter to completely censor it.

    • cherrie greenbaum123

      Thanks for being our eyes and ears there. I for one would appreciate frequent updates.

      • I agree. We need people who are race realists that can provide stories and perspective on events that effect whites.

      • When there’s breaking news of this type, I like to cover it on my blog. I go to this site, which is continually updated with no frills, just links:
        breakingnews(dot)com

        That site allows me to find stuff that shows up on sites like amren and daily stormer a day or two later. Thus, you know my little secret now.

        • MannyR

          Any chance you’ll give out your blog name, I follow your comments on this site and I’d like to give it a read

          • Keep Honkin, I’m Reloading

            http: // saboteur365.wordpress dot com

    • Amen! Thanks for posting this.

    • Winston_Jack

      Very true except for one thing: the leftists will NEVER be happy or content, even if the police forces are destroyed. They will simply (and obediently following the lead of their handlers and agitators) take up a new cause. How many times have you heard them say “There is still plenty of work to be done!”?

    • Ed

      The Left will always lose though because they thrive on emotion. These protests will die out when the next big thing emerges.

    • paul marchand

      Obama is demanding, after the Michael Brown and Garner incidents, that the whole American policing system be changed, in order to accomodate blacks. The response of some/many blacks in these incidents is appalling. Obama is demanding: More affirmative action in hiring. Equalization (to some extent) in arrests. Cameras on cops (why not cameras on Obama 24/7/365?).
      Instead of messing up civilization, how about this:
      blacks have black cops in their areas. But THEY PAY FOR THEM.
      Blacks PAY for their welfare. Food. Housing. Medical. Etc.
      Blacks PAY for their schools (Obama is insanely through the DOE trying to mandate equalization of discipline and even grades).
      They pay for incarceration of their criminals.
      In all of the above, whites will pay for THEIRS.
      Oh yeah. No more quotas in hiring. All voluntary.
      Good luck.

      • Tarczan

        Agreed. If there were no welfare, AA, and we were allowed freedom of association, who would complain? Let the other racial groups find their own way.

    • tlk244182

      Genrikh Yagoda

    • Dr.Bazzi

      This situation is nothing new from the left, just look at recent history from the 1960’s the SDS (students for a democratic or is it demonic society) were in the forefront of this type behavior.

  • I think this case creates quite the car wreck at the leftist intersectionality of pandering to blacks and hating tobacco.

  • TonyWestfield

    Wish we could get a look at God’s appointment book to see when Garner was scheduled to knock at the pearly gates. By the looks of him, the police might have found Garner’s body, already expired, if the cops had arrived five minutes later.

  • A Freespeechzone

    When you aggressively resist arrest, the decisions that have to be made in a split second can result in this result.

    I would like to see the transparent transcript of the Grand Jury evidence; for now, I will assume that they tried their best to assess the evidence before they rendered their decision.

    Unfortunately, regardless of the actual facts, there will be a segment who will ignore them and demand mob rule.

    • Tom_in_Miami

      That’s really what it comes down to: Do you want jury trials or mob rule?

  • Tarczan

    IMO this was some pretty poor police work. Gotta call them as I see them. They didn’t intend for him to die, but they didn’t have either the strength or training to subdue him without killing him.

    • I respectfully disagree. Unless you’ve tried to take down men who are fully resisting as Mr. Garner was, you have no clue how hard it is. As a police officer, I have and it’s extremely difficult and challenging.

      The police were actually stuck between a rock and a hard place. They couldn’t just shoot or club him to death. Even a Taser would have been seen as extreme and would have more likely threatened his life due to his morbid obesity.

      They tried a few pain compliance holds, but even that didn’t work due to the man’s massive side. He was clearly resisting and tensing up so that officer’s were forced to use other measures of control. In this case, one of the officer’s used the carotid hold. In the end, however, Mr. Garner died not because of the choke hold, but because of his own poor health.

      Mr. Garner resisted not because he was innocent, but because he was trying to make a scene and gain sympathy from witnesses. He was trying to exacerbate the situation in order to get the officers in trouble for allegedly targeting him racially and for physical abuse under color of authority.

      • Tarczan

        I’ll agree except for one thing- it seems like police officers have become less physically imposing as time goes on. The guy in front of him was tiny. You make some good poitns, and apparently the GJ agrees with you.

      • shawnmer

        This was my amateur take on it: The “chokehold” was applied, according to my stopwatch, for all of 13 seconds! He continued to say, “I can’t breathe,” for perhaps that length of time further, while prone, a knee in his back, having his hands secured. IF NYPD has prohibited use of the chokehold, this seems pretty open-and-shut that the cop screwed up, as a matter of procedure. Not necessarily criminally, but I think reasonable people can disagree on whether it could garner an involuntary manslaughter charge. Murder would be absurd, as it usually is in these cases.

        Where am I going wrong? Ignorant reporters express their ignorance in all subjects, so are they correct in labeling this a “chokehold, ” or not? Is it prohibited outright? I seem to remember there being a controversy about goin bb

        • MannyR

          Your going wrong by applying a stop watch to the cops actions and not realizing the black wouldn’t be in the situation he got into if he’d have just let the cop cuff him and shut his fat jaw.

        • If he’s yelling out “I can’t breathe,” he’s breathing. His windpipe was not cut off in the struggle, but he sure wanted people to believe so.

          • meanqueen

            No, you are wrong. He was having an asthma attack. His trachea is open but his lungs are constricted. He could not breathe. It’s a terrifying sensation. Lack of oxygen causes people to feel anxious and agitated.

        • antiquesunlight

          Yes, that is the essential question: whether the officer behaved inappropriately by using the hold. It’s hard for me to imagine that the grand jury didn’t carefully consider that point, which makes me think they probably had good reason to consider it an exception somehow, but it is a curious thing.

      • Tarczan

        I’m coming around to the cops viewpoint. This guy had 30 previous arrests, so he knew the system, and choose to resist. Most of the blame for this incident has to be put on him, he knew if he complied with all those cops there he would be ok.

    • MannyR

      Maybe we should allow cops to go back to using nightsticks on people? Would that be ok? No it wouldn’t because this whole scenario has nothing to do with the cops. It has to do with the obese black pig resisting and making a scene so he can try and get out of a charge by claiming police brutality. Didn’t work out for him ho hum.

  • Weisheit77

    One would think that they would be first to understand St. Augustine’s line of reasoning when he said, “Without justice what are kingdoms but great bands of robbers? And what is a band of robbers but such a kingdom in miniature? It is a band of men under the rule of a leader, bound together by a pact of friendship, and their booty is divided among them by an agreed rule. Such a blot on society, if it grows, assumes for itself the proud name of kingdom.”

    Someone forgot to remind them that the state requires its pound of flesh if one asks the state for cradle to the grave assistance. He was a tax thief. The state provides a myriad of social services and these services have to be funded by exorbitant tax rates which encourage the black market. To thwart the black market the “band of robbers” have to agree to use force, sometimes deadly, against those who seek to decrease the income flow and thus undermine their (the state’s) legitimacy. It’s pretty much like how the local drug gang operates.

    If you would like the state to cross your path less often QUIT BEGGING THEM TO BE THERE ON THE FIRST OF THE MONTH!

    (EDIT: Sorry I watched some of the footage and saw some signs which said STOP STATE TYRANNY and the first thought was how many of you say that when they’re giving you money for your apartment through subsidies or rent control, money for school, head start, public school, after school programs, etc… ad infinitum ad nauseam.
    Critical thinking is a lost art in this country.)

    • The kook left has declared jihad against tobacco, especially cigarettes.

      Why?

      Two main reasons:

      1. Tobacco company money run through PACs and 527s and what not go almost entirely to Republican Party political candidates and their omnibus slush funds.

      2. The kook left has a sociological hatred for the kind of people that smoke cigarettes. In 2001, the city of Seattle was pondering a 10 cent per cup tax on coffee style beverages (but not straight coffee itself) to fund early childhood education programs. I was listening to NPR talk about it, and they interviewed one woman from Seattle who said that she was not going to vote for it. Instead, she said this, which I’ll remember even if I live to be a 1,000-year old man with Alzheimer’s:

      “I don’t see why we should have to pay more in taxes to pay for our children. They should raise the cigarette tax so that those filthy rednecks down south in trailer parks can pay for our kids.”

      Do governments need tax revenue? Yes.

      Did the NYPD seem to spend a lot of time and energy to enforce the January 2014 anti-“loosie” (black market single cigarettes) ordinance? The king’s soldiers are very diligent in collecting the king’s taxes so that the king can pay the king’s soldiers. Always has been, always will be.

      But that does not mean that every taxation and every tax rate and every tax scheme is good, and it does not mean that bad law doesn’t make for bad law enforcement. Remember, Randy Weaver’s wife, children and dog were assassinated because of a $5 transfer tax on a shotgun sawed off 0.25 inches too short.

      My opinion of the Eric Garner matter depends on where you want to place the bookends. If you want to place them closely together, only examining the case in terms of the NYPD-Garner conflagration without regard to anything else, then I can see no reason for the GJ indicting the NYPD cops for anything. But if you want to spread the bookends to the far edges of the universe, then I think it’s a matter of the kook left’s chickens coming home to roost, and a matter of bad tax policy having the inevitable law enforcement consequences.

      • DaveMed

        Cigarettes should have sky-high taxes. It’s difficult for me to think of a more tragic vice.

        For those who are addicted to nicotine, I strongly recommend e-cigs.

        • B.A_2014

          I would ban them outright and condemn all those in possession of cigarettes to 20 lashes.

          Liberals hate cigarettes but want to legalize marijuana. Liberal logic at it’s finest. Exceptions should be made where it is medically beneficial to dance with Mary Jane.

    • TonyWestfield

      The art of critical thinking isn’t lost on you, 77.

      Excellent post, and I especially appreciate the symmetry in your sketch. Indeed, an overweening “democracy” cannot be expected to act in perpetuity as caretaker only. The engine that drives every action of the state is the force of law, of which I always emphasize the FORCE component. Every gift that one receives from the state means force applied elsewhere.

      P.S., As an economist, I have long advocated for the “shadow benefit” of reducing tax rates, i.e., that higher rates make the prospect of cheating more appealing (literally more profitable). In the opposite direction, as a tax rate falls, there is a “sweet spot” at which the responsible decision-maker would not even feel the temptation to cheat, up against the prospect of jail, fines, asset seizure, loss of reputation, etc…but try convincing any typical pro-state totalist to account for what it costs the state to investigate, to collect the taxes, to prosecute, to imprison, not to mention the lost tax revenue due to successful cheating. Funny, the big-state libs seem always to be the ones to complain most loudly about the so-called “prison industrial complex,” which cycles right back to your original point, 77.

      • Laffer Curve. $12-$14 packs of cigs officially above board in NYC not only blow right past it but lap it a few times.

        • TonyWestfield

          All true, QD. Too bad most of the country has been busy hollering “trickle down” for the last thirty years and spinning fairy tales about “economic justice”…instead of giving an hour’s thought to Art Laffer’s very sensible and accessible concept. At 14 bucks a pack (and most of it taxes), it’s almost time for a new DEA, replete with SWAT teams and helicopters, to go after the new breed of cigarette “kingpins.”

  • alex

    What have we learned from all that?
    Get fit before resisting arrest. Rodney King did really well.

    • HE2

      Rodney King was “dusted” higher than a kite.
      Until you have struggled to subdue a PCP high subject, you have not lived.
      Had we been filmed in our inner city E.R., Trauma, or Psych Crisis as we attempted to subdue our cracked, dusted, coked up, etc. “customers,” I would be in prison. These patients have the strength of superman.

      The “take down” as it is called, which involved the care team, police and in house security guards was often brutal and ugly.

  • would this one be called St. cigarette?

  • Ringo Lennon

    OMG. Looks to me like policeman Pantaleo killed Mr . Garner. Terrible job by those cops.

    • alex

      “OMG. Looks to me like policeman Pantaleo killed that guy over a minor offense.”

      And Rodney King was beaten up because he was a black motorist, Trayvon was killed because he was wearing a hoodie, Michael Brown was killed because he was walking in the middle of the street, etc.

      • RileyDeWiley

        Skittles. Trayvon was killed because he had Skittles.

  • [Guest]

    >>>…we have no confidence in the state grand juries…

    And I have no confidence in the juju of the African witch doctors, Mr. Sharpton. If you’re so opposed to the white man’s system, resettle to the African continent and live like an authentic black man.

    • B.A_2014

      Why does no one ever make that point. This is surely an event unprecedented in human history, where you have millions of people running towards their own oppression. In apartheid South Africa, I remember reading that 10 million entered the country illegally. S.A had more women graduates that the rest of sub Saharan Africa combined.

      • [Guest]

        I believe that one side hates the truth and so dominates the country that the other side speaks up only at its peril. I’m not sure how to change that or whether it can even be done. I’d say it’s probably too late and that the entire system has to come crashing down.

  • Yves Vannes

    Policing is a human endeavor which means that on occasions there will be errors made. This looks like one of those situations. Unfortunately, the progressives will use this particular incident to color all other similar incidents as unjustified – and thus racists. Never let a crisis go to waste.

    • paul marchand

      Absolutely Alynsky tactics: target and magnify.
      Same tactics the Muslims use against Israel, as Muslims cause trouble worldwide.

  • Who Me?

    Jonathan C. Moore, a lawyer for the Garner family, said they hoped that federal prosecutors would continue to examine the case, and he urged people upset by the decision to voice their dismay, but to do so peacefully.
    —————————————————
    Yeah, because that worked so well in Ferguson, didn’t it.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    I found it very fitting that when Obama was addressing the Garner decision by saying that we need to do more to gain the trust of communities of color he was standing in front of a sign at the Native American gathering that read “Tribal Nations”. Indeed, America is comprised of tribal nations and Obama’s tribe is becoming increasingly adversarial.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Eric Garner was a 6′ 4″, 400-lb career criminal and asthmatic diabetic–with 31 prior arrests on a variety of charges ranging from drug possession to assault–adamantly refused to be taken into custody by police who are investigating yet another an alleged crime by him (while he is out on bail facing 3 other charges), and he starts actively resisting when they try to handcuff him..

    The officers involved… suspected Mr. Garner of selling loose cigarettes on the street near the Staten Island Ferry Terminal, a complaint among local business owners.

    More fallout from the war on tobacco. Democrats have raised taxes on tobacco to an insane level in New York.

    A pack of cigarettes in New York costs more than $14, the most expensive in the nation.

    When a product that people want and desire becomes illegal or prohibitively expensive, a black market is sure to arise.

    A black market is a free market operating against the wishes of the state.

    DeBlasio may be a Communist but he was correct when he said:

    “Not wanting to be arrested does not grant an individual the right to resist arrest, nor does it free the officers of the obligation to make the arrest.”

  • Reynardine

    I don’t think that Garner’s death will cause the level of rioting that Michael Brown’s did, if only for the fact that New York is solidly in the enemy’s hands and Missouri is still up for grabs. They want to support and organize their frontline troops: you don’t want to “burn this b**tch down” when it’s your own backyard.

    • paul marchand

      Did you see the Traitor in Chief’s response? Surely O will attempt to use this to change America’s policing, possibly will attempt to federalize.

      Obama is demanding, after the Michael Brown and Garner incidents, that the whole American policing system be changed, in order to accomodate blacks. The response of some/many blacks in these incidents is appalling. Obama is demanding: More affirmative action in hiring. Equalization (to some extent) in arrests. Cameras on cops (why not cameras on Obama 24/7/365?).
      Instead of messing up civilization, how about this:
      blacks have black cops in their areas. But THEY PAY FOR THEM.
      Blacks PAY for their welfare. Food. Housing. Medical. Etc.
      Blacks PAY for their schools (Obama is insanely through the DOE trying to mandate equalization of discipline and even grades).
      They pay for incarceration of their criminals.
      In all of the above, whites will pay for THEIRS.
      Oh yeah. No more quotas in hiring. All voluntary.
      Good luck.

      • Juggernaut3000

        Ferguson was dying down so The Traitor in Chief is using this to deflect from his EO giving amnesty to millions of illegals. That and the IRS and Gerber scandals.

    • Ed

      Protests I’ve seen seem to be dominated by white yuppies.

      • Tarczan

        White communists, not yuppies.

        • PvtCharlieSlate

          Beaucoup same-same, GI –

          Radical Muslim : Moderate Muslim.

    • HE2

      S.I. is more conservative than the other boroughs.
      Last time I was there, it felt as if they were still living in the forties.

    • Tarczan

      No, the rioting is being incitied behind the scenes by the WH to keep a low level of insurrection and to provide cover for their other nefarious activities.

  • Caucasoid88

    Here’s a picture of the 43-year-old teen. Used by media. Before he tacked on a 200 pounds.

    • Yeah, I remember this one. His high school classmates voted him “most likely to make a living selling single cigarettes illicitly on Staten Island.”

      • B.A_2014

        I was voted most likely to end up in prison. Except for a couple of nights in the cells and a few very close calls, I’ve proved them wrong.

    • HE2

      I wonder if there are any up-to-date fat slob “gentle giant” photos available.
      GGs seem to be raising hell these days.

    • Juggernaut3000

      His recent photos and the video showed him to be an overweight, out-of-shape blob.

      Media releasing baby photos of Garner in 3..2..1…

  • Laura Dilworth

    This was not excessive force?

    • [Guest]

      I think maybe a better question would be how much force is required to subdue a 400-pound man who is resisting arrest?

      • Laura Dilworth

        Yep

      • archer

        I would almost agree, but when he kept repeating” I can’t breathe” they should have taken notice. As I posted before the whole thing was stupid and meaningless, I didn’t see any cigs near him and even if he was selling them, in the scheme of things who really cares.

        • ronald54321

          DeBlasio and Bloomberg care. They’re tax fanatics and cigarette and soda haters. It’s their policies that made a phalanx of police tackle a seller of looses like he was Dillinger.

        • Reynardine

          You can breathe and talk in a stranglehold. You cannot breathe or speak in a chokehold. The police used the former on him.

    • model1911

      No. Obey the law, even a stupid one. If the LEO says stop resisting, do so. Simple actually.

      • archer

        He should have just said take me in, there wasn’t any evidence that I could see in the video, if that’s true there was no “probable cause”, he would have been in and out of jail after he was booked, if there was no evidence they might have deferred pressing charges.

        • paul kersey

          they had been staking him out and there was evidence on him. also they probably had him on video.

      • paul kersey

        If you are high on drugs like most of these blacks it is not such a simple thing to do.

        • model1911

          True, sir.

    • tlk244182

      what was excessive about it?

      • Laura Dilworth

        Could have loosened his grip. I am not in garners corner

        Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

        ——– Original message ——–

  • Untel

    What is de Blasio’s legal background, and how does it qualify him to pass judgment in this case?

    • His black wife’s black chief-of-staff’s black boyfriend has a rap sheet, and his black wife’s black chief-of-staff’s black son has been arrested a few times.

      • LIBERTYSINCURSION

        Seriously though, just why the h— does the Mayor’s Wife need a Chief Of Staff for anyways? I mean, is this a common thing or what? Did Bloomberg, Giuliani, Dinkins, Koch or Beame’s Wives all have a Chief Of Staff when their Husbands served as Mayor? Or is this a unique characteristic to Mrs. De-Blasio alone?

  • [Guest]

    I read the article at that link and found this:

    Police are looking for three men who witnesses said fled in a white car. The car was later found, but was empty.

    Are we to take it that witnesses mentioned to the police the color of the car but not the color of the three men?

    Both the police and CBS news have some kind of descriptions of three men who are wanted for murder, but they’re withholding those descriptions.

    It’s total madness!

  • alex

    From CNN,
    “On New York City’s West Side Highway, a group of protesters stood face to face with rows of police officers, shouting, “I can’t breathe, I can’t breathe.”

    Primitive people are easily influenced by primitive slogans:
    “If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit.”, “No justice, no peace.”, “Hands up, don’t shoot.”

    • Juggernaut3000

      Blacks, who aren’t known for organizational skills, are influenced by agitators who hide behind their skirts, feed them their marxist slogans and incite them to riot.

      There is more stuff to loot in New York than Ferguson, the cops are hamstrung and the Communist mayor DeBlasio is pro-criminal/anti-cop.

      It’s win-win-win for the agitators and blacks.

      If DeBlasio hasn’t driven enough Whites and businesses out of NYC, this may do the trick.

  • antiquesunlight

    It wasn’t excessive force. He resisted arrest and the police officers did what they needed to do to subdue him. The only question is whether the chokehold was appropriate. If it’s illegal, it’s illegal.

    • meanqueen

      No, the question is “why didn’t any of the officers present recognize that the man couldn’t breathe?”

      • antiquesunlight

        They called an ambulance.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    And this jurisdiction is Loretta Lynch territory. Ruh-roh!
    .

  • benvad

    I saw the video and the black was pleading with them that he couldn’t breathe. I’ve no qualms with the victim this time.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      That was a taser situation. Choke holds are illegal in the NYPD ROE.

      With that sour puss press conference, Loretta Lynch all but said: “Gonna get u (white) suckuzz”. At least that will kill her chances for Holder’s job. Silver lining.
      .

      • Juggernaut3000

        Loretta Lynch has made a career out of prosecuting White cops.

    • paul marchand

      There was absolutely no intent to kill.

      • meanqueen

        Probably true, but they should have listened to him when he said he couldn’t breathe. When someone is hypoxic, they get extremely anxious and agitated. They are desperate for oxygen.

    • HE2

      ben, if he could speak, his airway was NOT obstructed. Remember your Heimlich manuver classes? One of the diagnostic criteria is the subject grabbing his throat, unable to speak.

      My guess in this case is accidental carotid compression by the officer leading to slowing of the criminal’s heart rate with subsequent cardiac arrest.
      His high risk morbid obesity contributed much to the fatal outcome.
      An honest mistake which would not have occurred if the perp had not #1, been involved in criminal activity, #2, resisted arrest.
      One evening, a harried staff member was being neck massaged from behind by a co-worker. The masseuse apparently irritated the carotid sinus causing a neuro-vagal reaction and unconsciousness.
      Obviously, the subject in question did not die, as he was fit and in good shape.
      Had he been a struggling, morbidly obese man who was more than likely also hypertensive, the outcome might have been tragic.
      Remember this when you massage another’s neck. Avoid undue pressure to the area where the carotid pulse may be palpated.

      • meanqueen

        He was asthmatic and obese. He got hypoxic and then had a heart attack. Carotid sinus irritation is also a strong possibility.

        • HE2

          meanqueen, asthma, morbid obesity, both cogent reasons for him to cooperate and not act the fool by physically struggling with law enforcement.
          If stopped or arrested for any reason, I would not resist or struggle with LEOs because I am not stupid. Sort it at the station.
          When still active in inner city Trauma Care, I met and talked with many policemen. What horror stories they related. Even black LEOs were jaded from working this demographic.
          Blacks feel “disrespected” if they are stopped, questioned, let alone arrested. They fight.
          There is no salary that would induce me to work inner city street law enforcement.

          • meanqueen

            Yes, I know, and I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said here. I am sick of black men thinking they can go up against the police and win. I would just find it hard to keep choking or pressing down on someone who is complaining of not being able to breathe. There’s really not more to say about it. We are on the same page most of the way.

    • Juggernaut3000

      So blacks breaking the law and resisting arrest should get a pass?

      The autopsy showed no damage to his windpipe.

  • B.A_2014

    He was breaking the law and resisted arrest but he didn’t deserve to die. The officer wasn’t trying to kill him. I understand why his family are upset, I would also if one of my relatives died in similar circumstances. I still don’t know what race has to do with it. They were apprehending a low level semi criminal and things went horribly wrong.

    • paul marchand

      And Obama is trying to utilize this accident for basically federalizing the American police force.

      Obama is demanding, after the Michael Brown and Garner incidents, that the whole American policing system be changed, in order to accomodate blacks. The response of some/many blacks in these incidents is appalling. Obama is demanding: More affirmative action in hiring. Equalization (to some extent) in arrests. Cameras on cops (why not cameras on Obama 24/7/365?).
      Instead of messing up civilization, how about this:
      blacks have black cops in their areas. But THEY PAY FOR THEM.
      Blacks PAY for their welfare. Food. Housing. Medical. Etc.
      Blacks PAY for their schools (Obama is insanely through the DOE trying to mandate equalization of discipline and even grades).
      They pay for incarceration of their criminals.
      In all of the above, whites will pay for THEIRS.
      Oh yeah. No more quotas in hiring. All voluntary.
      Good luck.

  • paul marchand

    * change civilization or blacks pay their way? *
    Obama is demanding, after the Michael Brown and Garner incidents, that the whole American policing system be changed, in order to accomodate blacks. The response of some/many blacks in these incidents is appalling. Obama is demanding: More affirmative action in hiring. Equalization (to some extent) in arrests. Cameras on cops (why not cameras on Obama 24/7/365?).
    Instead of messing up civilization, how about this:
    blacks have black cops in their areas. But THEY PAY FOR THEM.
    Blacks PAY for their welfare. Food. Housing. Medical. Etc.
    Blacks PAY for their schools (Obama is insanely through the DOE trying to mandate equalization of discipline and even grades).
    They pay for incarceration of their criminals.
    In all of the above, whites will pay for THEIRS.
    Oh yeah. No more quotas in hiring. All voluntary.
    Good luck.

    • Juggernaut3000

      It’s become increasingly obvious that the government will not protect Whites from black violence. The cops are being hamstrung to make sure blacks can attack Whites and White businesses with impunity.

      There is only one solution: Lock and load to protect your life and that of your children.

  • Ed

    Most citizens are not prepared to throw a cop in prison for an honest mistake that ends in death. The chokehold is not illegal & some experts are saying it’s not even a chokehold.

    The city will settle with family financially, they’ll promptly blow the money and life will go on.

  • crockadoodle6

    “I can’t breathe, I can’t breathe.” Where can I get the T shirt? Or has the American Lung Association already claimed the ferals’ new poetic slogan?
    The average white person needs a figurative mental electric fence running 24/7 to keep out the black foolishness.

    • Juggernaut3000

      The average white person needs a figurative mental electric fence running 24/7 to keep out the black foolishness.

      Turning off the msm will accomplish the same thing.

      That includes Faux news.

  • Epiminondas

    Mr. Garner’s lifestyle led him to that dead end, whether he died justifiably in that particular incident or not. Sooner or later, he would have met an unsavory end, no matter what. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    • John Jackson

      What? The guy sold cigarettes without paying tax on them ooooooohhhh. Big criminal.

      • paul marchand

        GARNER, NYC…the LEFT was to blame in this…..he was
        selling SINGULAR cigarettes, to make a living….evading the HIGH TAXES of the
        left….and it was MINORITY SHOPOWNERS that made the complaint (they have to
        tax THEIR cigarettes)….and it was a MINORITY ADMINISTRATION that is in charge
        of enforcing their onerous laws….so when the COPS, caught in the middle,
        RESPOND, and this Garner guy DOES NOT COMPLY (he had previously been arrested /
        warned about 50 times), they do what is necessary to subdue him….and he
        dies……………AND OBAMA, HOLDER, SHARPTON, MORIAL TRY TO SUBVERT THE
        TRUTH.

  • John Jackson

    I must say this is where most of you lose all credibility. In the Darren Wilson case, there is no doubt he acted in self-defense, Mike Brown was a big, violent thug and a danger to society.

    However, this case is completely different. Those cops were out of line and should have at least been charged with assault. I think this is where we see the differences among us, I came to Amren because I believe in standing up for the rights of white people, that doesn’t mean I stand behind someone just because they are white nor do I hate other races and think they can just be abused or killed, I only ask for freedom to associate as I please, and if I please to only associate with whites (which I do), then I should have that right.

    But that certainly doesn’t mean being white is my ONLY criteria, it’s stupid whites who do more damage than non-whites ever could. All you defending this cop look just as absurd as all the blacks who were defending Mike Brown, any progress this site may have made is emptying down the drain by the minute.

    • SolStans

      The way I figure it: I’ll start picking out actual white-on-black abuse and abusers once a majority of non-violent blacks start decrying black-on-white violence. Until then, I frankly don’t give a hoot about Mr. Garner

      • John Jackson

        Well, you’re welcome to that opinion, but this is all the more evidence of why the Marxists win and the Nationalists do not, the Marxists, F’ed in the head as they may be, understand psychology and propaganda, most of you don’t.

    • Charlie

      Exactly…you’ve echoed my sentiments…we, have to look at things, objectively, at all times…

      • John Jackson

        Thank you.

      • withcaution

        You’ve all restored some of my faith in the posters on this site. Violence is never excusable, I think mankind should’ve learned something from all the needless wars we’ve engaged in. Gandhi saved more lives than Abraham Lincoln who killed 600,000

        • meanqueen

          Violence is never excusable??? Are you a pacifist? Pacifism is not a moral position to take, by the way. For those who respect the bible, even God tells us not to stand idly by while our brother’s blood is shed. Violence has saved many lives. Gandhi was a fool. He only won his battle because the British were not crazed barbarians like the Muslims are. Pacifists are only alive because non pacifists take care of the evil for them.

          • withcaution

            If you believe in poorly constructed mythologies, how can you ever to be trusted to have a sane idea about anything else?

          • meanqueen

            I’d trust a bible-believer’s sanity over the sanity of a pacifist any day!

          • Max

            True; there must be a balance.

          • withcaution

            “…even God tells us not to stand idly by while our brother’s blood is shed…”

            That’s a great policy that’s working so well in the Middle East. By the way, why does your God want you to do all the heavy lifting while he sits and watches it on TV?

    • meanqueen

      Agree, and glad you said it. I know Garner was acting like a typical idiot black man by resisting arrest, even if passively, and I know that he was doing something illegal, even if it wasn’t all that serious as crimes go. This is a case of “sometimes stupidity can kill you.” However, these officers should have noticed that he was in respiratory distress. He kept telling them he couldn’t breathe. They forced him to lie flat, and an obese asthmatic cannot breathe in that position, even once the chokehold was over. Resulting hypoxia caused him to have a heart attack. Is his death a great loss to humanity? No. But these officers are stupid and dangerous and something needs to be done about them. If we want to preserve the white race (and I, for one, DO) then we have to hold ourselves to a bare minimum of ethical integrity. Stand up for what’s right, speak out against what’s wrong, and for pity’s sake, stop blaming the Jews for your failings.

      • John Jackson

        Oh yeah, I’m not claiming he was a saint, and he definitely could have been doing better things with his life, I just don’t see that he was some big threat to these cops or to any other 3rd party to justify this much force.

  • KyraNelson

    One would think that even the brain-addled “journalists” at the NYT could do a simple fact check and see that Sharpton is no reverend and has no divinity degree whatsoever. Not to mention he’s a lowlife.

    • withcaution

      Nonexistent degree to serve a nonexistent entity seems logical to me.

  • KyraNelson

    I am suffering SERIOUS Negro Fatigue.

  • Ringo Lennon

    Pantaleo killed that guy. Look for a hefty payout.

  • Again, you’re missing the point: Garner upped the ante when he physically refused to cooperate with the officers. I haven’t read the grand jury’s report as of yet, but their unwillingness to indict the officer in a city like New York speaks volumes about what really occurred. There’s more here than we even know.

    Moreover, the officers didn’t baton, Taser or pepper-spray the man. They simply tried to handcuff him. There was no attempt to kill the man nor was there any racial animus in any of this. Mr. Garner increased the level of force that had to be applied by his refusal to cooperate and by physically resisting the officers at the scene.

  • RINO and Amnesty supporter, Charles Krauthammer of FOX News, is hardly the person I would appeal to as an ‘expert’ on law enforcement matters. He’s an armchair political correspondent, and I agree with him on some matters, but not on this one.

    Moreover, he was not on scene, and he’s never had to work as a street patrol officer dealing with the very types of people as Mr. Garner was. It’s a whole different world when you’ve got to face these people and make real-life decisions. The fact that the grand jury didn’t indict the officer speaks volumes, especially in a case dealing with a black man in NYC!

  • Do I have to explain the obvious to you? Moreover, Mr. Garner was placed in the ‘carotid hold’ which is against NYPD policy, but in a choke hold that still permitted him to breathe. Mr. Garner died because of his own weight and bad health (e.g., asthma, hypertension, obesity), including the weight of the officers who had to take him down. The stress of all of this combined was too much for his frame and constitution.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    Check this out. Big news.

    http[colon]//www[dot]thegatewaypundit[dot]com/2014/12/breaking-eric-garner-arrest-death-supervised-by-black-female-police-sergeant/#disqus_thread

  • Reynardine

    Oh you’re right, one of our prophets has declared Garners Innocence to be the Word of God. We cannot question the Krauthammer (may he live forever).

    Or, you know, we can form our own opinions in a marketplace of ideas.

  • [Guest]

    As you know, if your hyperbolic comment that Garner received a “death sentence” were accurate, it would also be accurate to say that the cause was a combination of resisting arrest and gross obesity.

    >>>This should have been at best a ticket…

    Who but Garner decided that it was something more?

  • Reynardine

    There is a very good reason why boxing and MMA have pretty strict weight divisions. Bigger people really do have an immense advantage in wrestling and hand-to-hand fighting.

  • Steve_in_Vermont

    Please stop speaking ill of “Rev” Al Sharpton and questioning his credentials. He was ordained a minister (at age 10) and did attend Brooklyn College (completing 2 years of the 4 year program). But why get picky? On a side note, perhaps on his business card it should say something like “When Blacks start bawling, Al comes calling”.

  • Reynardine

    Were you on the Grand Jury? Have you reviewed all the documents given to them?

  • withcaution

    We live in a country were transacting buisness is grounds for arrest but crossing the border illegally and taking public benefits and diluting wages by taking jobs gets the full blinders attitude from all presidents since Reagan and every Congress. Anyone still think you Live in a sane free country?

  • paul kersey

    I think it was excessive force but I support the grand jury because it is a pro-white decision. Blacks support any decision right or wrong that favors a black so i must do likewise regarding whites out of self-preservation. Blacks are racist. If i am NOT racist that puts me at a disadvantage to my own survival. If blacks were fair minded I would say the decision was wrong. It is BLACKS who are the racists in this country.

    • Brady

      What are you going to do when cops start doing this to white people? This decision wasn’t pro-white, it was pro-blue.

  • paul kersey

    The bottom line with me is that I AVOID the cops AND blacks! Just like I avoid bees. Stay away from all three. Just avoid them at all costs. Even if you see them far away change direction. Drive the other way, go to a different store. JUST AVOID THEM. Nothing good comes from any of those groups.

    • ElComadreja

      Well said.

    • Ringo Lennon

      Every time I see a cop car in the back of me I get the chills. You’re right avoid these two groups. Negroes are savages and SOME cops are power crazy losers who couldn’t make it elsewhere.

  • ElComadreja

    The cops kill a black and everyone goes berserk. When they kill a white it’s crickets chirping. The hell with blacks and their never ending whine.

  • Dave West

    The buzz going around social media is that black people are being shot with impunity by cops and white people who commit crimes are alive to tell their stories because they’re white.

    How is this misinformation allowed to circulate so freely? Out of 40 plus million police contacts per year about 300-400 people get shot dead by the cops. The percentage of black people who don’t get shot by cops is the same as the percentage of white people who don’t get shot, that percentage is 99.999%. Garner wasn’t killed for “being black while selling illegal cigarettes.” He died as a result of resisting arrest, weighing 400 pounds, having heart disease, and having asthma while being placed in a chokehold. If he was 200 pounds and healthy, he would not have died. The real debate should be as to whether chokeholds are the best way to subdue a suspected criminal who is resisting.

  • Dave West

    If he was not put in a chokehold he would have kept resisting and the police most likely would have tased him. Given his conditions there is a good chance he would have died from being tased. Then we’d still be going through the same song and dance, “gentle giant tased to death for standing on corner while black.”

  • John Jackson

    Nice rant there. First off, I would not have arrested him in the first place. Of all the stuff going on in NYC, let alone the country, I’m not losing much sleep over someone selling cigarettes.

    Next, I would have tried talking to him a bit longer, THEN, yes, I would have pulled out the taser, warned him if he didn’t comply he’d be getting tased.

    Also, I worked in a jail for over 5yrs, I do security now, the guy was big, but there were also 5 of them and if you actually watched the video you can clearly see a time when he was down and helpless, he wasn’t putting up much of fight and even if the guy ran, how far would he get, 10ft? Let’s say by some miracle he got away – so what? Big danger to society.

    Forget the choke hold what about that jerk who stuck his knee on the guys head and ground it into the pavement? You’re saying that was necessary? I’ve had to take guys down, I still have to on occasion, this was not the way to handle such a minor issue.

  • Reynardine

    I am referring to the standard martial arts tactic of applying pressure to the carotid arteries to induce unconsciousness. This is known as strangling. Choking is when you collapse the airway with a twist of the hand in order to suffocate breathing.

  • Paleoconn

    This guy died from several afflictions, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, you name it. He resisted, so the cop put a submission hold, still practices. It was not a choke hold banned in NYPD since 1993

  • Ograf

    It seems as the whole thing could have been avoided if he owned up to selling loose cigarettes. (not the crime of the century) instead of fighting the police knowing he weighed about as much as a buick and couldn’t breath as it was. I believe the death and the cause of the death is with fat boys decisions, not police mistakes.

    • John Jackson

      The whole thing could have been avoided if there were no laws saying people can’t sell cigarettes, it’s a stupid law for 1, second, there’s now some evidence that he didn’t even have any loose cigarettes at the time, he was actually breaking up a fight which is what brought the cops there and they knew him and just decided to arrest him because of his past.

      He should not have resisted, true, but he really wasn’t resisting all that hard, and again, was it really worth it, even if he was selling cigs? Come on man, cops have better things to to do wouldn’t you say?

      • Ograf

        A law may be stupid in your opinion, but it is in place and says not to do it. The real problem is these people always have to fight and resist the police, they should know the outcome is not going to be good for their side. Yes the cops do have better things to do, like trying to hold down the riots that come from blacks not getting their own way. I think the country is pretty sick of their crap. I know I am.

        • John Jackson

          He did not fight the police. How do you define “fight”. I’m sick their crap too, when they are in the wrong, like with Mike Brown, Trayvon, countless others, but this guy was not in the wrong, I certainly am not suggesting rioting but this is BS and if you’re not going to call it fair both ways you just as bad as them.

          As for “the law”, I’ll say it again, we don’t even have any proof he was breaking a law, people keep bringing up these cigarettes (which is assinine in the first place) but there is no proof he had any cigarettes or was selling them, cops are not our mommy and daddy, it’s scary how some of you are so quick to embrace this, just remember this when the law turns on you, as you know in many ways it already has.

  • [Guest]

    To find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a “substantial risk” that gentle giant Eric Garner would have died due to the takedown.

    There was no way that Pantaleo could have expected such a thing.