How Gangs Took Over Prisons

Graeme Wood, The Atlantic, September 16, 2014

On a clear morning this past February, the inmates in the B Yard of Pelican Bay State Prison filed out of their cellblock a few at a time and let a cool, salty breeze blow across their bodies. Their home, the California prison system’s permanent address for its most hardened gangsters, is in Crescent City, on the edge of a redwood forest–about four miles from the Pacific Ocean in one direction and 20 miles from the Oregon border in the other. This is their yard time.

Most of the inmates belong to one of California’s six main prison gangs: Nuestra Familia, the Mexican Mafia, the Aryan Brotherhood, the Black Guerrilla Family, the Northern Structure, or the Nazi Lowriders (the last two are offshoots of Nuestra Familia and the Aryan Brotherhood, respectively). The inmates interact like volatile chemicals: if you open their cells in such a way as to put, say, a lone member of Nuestra Familia in a crowd of Mexican Mafia, the mix can explode violently. So the guards release them in a careful order.

“Now watch what they do,” says Christopher Acosta, a corrections officer with a shaved head who worked for 15 years as a front-line prison guard and now runs public relations for Pelican Bay. We are standing with our backs to a fence and can see everything.

At first, we seem to be watching a sullen but semi-random parade of terrifying men–heavily tattooed murderers, thieves, and drug dealers walking past one of five casual but alert guards. Some inmates, chosen for a strip search, drop their prison blues into little piles and then spin around, bare-assed, to be scrutinized. Once inspected, they dress and walk out into the yard to fill their lungs with oxygen after a long night in the stagnant air of the cellblock. The first Hispanic inmate to put his clothes on walks about 50 yards to a concrete picnic table, sits down, and waits. The first black inmate goes to a small workout area and stares out at the yard intently. A white guy walks directly to a third spot, closer to the basketball court. Another Hispanic claims another picnic table. Slowly it becomes obvious that they have been moving tactically: each has staked out a rallying point for his group and its affiliates.

Once each gang has achieved a critical mass–about five men–it sends off a pair of scouts. Two of the Hispanics at the original concrete picnic table begin a long, winding stroll. “They’ll walk around, get within earshot of the other groups, and try to figure out what’s going down on the yard,” Acosta says. “Then they can come back to their base and say who’s going to attack who, who’s selling what.”

Eventually, about 50 inmates are in the yard, and the guards have stepped back and congregated at their own rallying point, backs to the fence, with Acosta. The men’s movements around the yard are so smooth and organized, they seem coordinated by invisible traffic lights. And that’s a good thing. “There’s like 30 knives out there right now,” Acosta says. “Hidden up their rectums.”

Understanding how prison gangs work is difficult: they conceal their activities and kill defectors who reveal their practices. This past summer, however, a 32-year-old academic named David Skarbek published The Social Order of the Underworld, his first book, which is the best attempt in a long while to explain the intricate organizational systems that make the gangs so formidable. His focus is the California prison system, which houses the second-largest inmate population in the country–about 135,600 people, slightly more than the population of Bellevue, Washington, split into facilities of a few thousand inmates apiece. {snip}

Skarbek’s primary claim is that the underlying order in California prisons comes from precisely what most of us would assume is the source of disorder: the major gangs, which are responsible for the vast majority of the trade in drugs and other contraband, including cellphones, behind bars. “Prison gangs end up providing governance in a brutal but effective way,” he says. “They impose responsibility on everyone, and in some ways the prisons run more smoothly because of them.” The gangs have business out on the streets, too, but their principal activity and authority resides in prisons, where other gangs are the main powers keeping them in check.

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Skarbek, whose most serious criminal offense to date is a moving violation, bases his conclusions on data crunches from prison systems (chiefly California’s, which has studied gangs in detail) and the accounts of inmates and corrections officers themselves. He is a treasury of horrifying anecdotes about human depravity–and ingenuity. There are few places other than a prison where men’s desires are more consistently thwarted, and where men whose desires are thwarted have so much time to think up creative ways to circumvent their obstacles.

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{snip} Prison officials have long known that gangs are highly sophisticated organizations with carefully plotted strategies, business-development plans, bureaucracies, and even human-resources departments–all of which, Skarbek argues, lead not to chaos in the prison system but to order.

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Among the fundamental questions about prison gangs–known in California-corrections argot as “Security Threat Groups”–is why they arise in the first place. After all, as Skarbek notes, California had prisons for nearly a century before the first documented gang appeared. Some states don’t have prison gangs at all. New York has had street gangs for well over a century, but its first major prison gang didn’t form until the mid-1980s.

The explanation, Skarbek says, can be found in demographics, and in inmate memoirs and interviews. “Before prison gangs showed up,” he says, “you survived in prison by following something called ‘the convict code.’ ” Various recensions of the code exist, but they all reduce to a few short maxims that old-timers would share with first offenders soon after they arrived. “It was pretty simple,” he explains. “You mind your own business, you don’t rat on anyone, and you pretty much just try to avoid bothering or cheating other inmates.”

But starting in the 1950s, things changed: The total inmate population rose steeply, and prisons grew bigger, more ethnically and racially mixed, and more unpredictable in their types of inmate. Prisons faced a flood of first offenders, who tended to be young and male–and therefore less receptive to the advice of grizzled jailbirds. The norms that made prison life tolerable disappeared, and the authorities lost control. Prisoners banded together for self-protection–and later, for profit. The result was the first California prison gang.

That moment of gang genesis, Skarbek says, forced an arms race, in which different groups took turns demonstrating a willingness to inflict pain on others. The arms race has barely stopped, although the gangs have waxed and waned in relative power. (The Black Guerrilla Family has been weakened, prison authorities told me, because of leadership squabbles.) The Mexican Mafia was the sole Hispanic gang until 1965, when a group of inmates from Northern California formed Nuestra Familia to counter the influence of Hispanics from the south. Gang elders–called maestros–instruct the youngsters in gang history and keep the enmity alive.

What’s astonishing to outsiders, Skarbek says, is that many aspects of gang politics that appear to be sources of unresolvable hatred immediately dissipate if they threaten the stability of prison society. For example, consider the Aryan Brotherhood–a notoriously brutal organization whose members are often kept alone in cells because they tend to murder their cell mates. You can take the Brotherhood at its word when it declares itself a racist organization, and you can do the same with the Black Guerrilla Family, which preaches race war and calls for the violent overthrow of the government. But Skarbek says that at lights-out in some prisons, the leader of each gang will call out good night to his entire cellblock. The sole purpose of this exercise is for each gang leader to guarantee that his men will respect the night’s silence. If a white guy starts yelling and keeps everyone awake, the Aryan Brothers will discipline him to avoid having blacks or Hispanics attack one of their members. White power is one thing, but the need to keep order and get shut-eye is paramount.

Another common misconception about prison gangs is that they are simply street gangs that have been locked up. The story of their origins, however, is closer to the opposite: the Mexican Mafia, for example, was born at Deuel Vocational Institution, in Tracy, California, in 1956, and only later did that group, and others, become a presence on the streets. Today, the relation of the street to the cellblock is symbiotic. “The young guys on the street look to the gang members inside as role models,” says Charles Dangerfield, a former prison guard who now heads California’s Gang Task Force, in Sacramento. “Getting sentenced to prison is like being called up to the majors.”

But Skarbek says the prison gangs serve another function for street criminals. In a 2011 paper in American Political Science Review, he proposed that prison is a necessary enforcement mechanism for drug crime on the outside. If everyone in the criminal underworld will go to prison eventually, or has a close relationship with someone who will, and if everybody knows that gangs control the fate of all inmates, then criminals on the street will be afraid to cross gang members there, because at some point they, or someone they know, will have to pay on the inside. Under this model, prison gangs are the courts and sheriffs for people whose business is too shady to be able to count on justice from the usual sources. Using data from federal indictments of members of the Mexican Mafia, and other legal documents, Skarbek found that the control of prisons by gangs leads to smoother transactions in the outside criminal world.

Gangs effect this justice on the inside in part by circulating a “bad-news list,” or BNL. If your name is on a BNL, gang members are to attack you on sight–perhaps because you stole from an affiliate on the outside, or because you failed to repay a drug debt, or because you’re suspected of ratting someone out. Skarbek says one sign that the BNL is a rationally deployed tool, rather than just a haphazard vengeance mechanism, is that gangs are fastidious about removing names from the list when debts are paid.

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On every cellblock at Pelican Bay, the guards post plastic identity cards on the wall, to keep track of which inmate is in which cell. These cards include each inmate’s name and photo. But the most-important information is conveyed by the cards’ color, which roughly correlates with probable gang affiliation: green for northern Hispanics, pink for southern Hispanics, blue for blacks, white for whites, and yellow for others, including American Indians, Mexican nationals, Laotians, and Eskimos. The information is crucial to the smooth running of the institution. Maintaining balance in a cellblock, and not putting a lone gang member in a situation where he might be surrounded by members of a rival gang, requires constant attention on the part of the corrections officers.

Out in the yard, when Acosta and I watched the inmates gather by gang, the guards knew exactly what was happening, and they could have intervened and broken up obvious gang activity. And it was obvious: nearly all gang members have gang tattoos across their torsos, and some have markings on their faces too. {snip}

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Over the years, California has tried two broad strategies for gang management. The first was to break up gangs and scatter their members to distant prisons where their influence would be divided and diluted. That strategy too frequently allowed gangs to metastasize, effectively seeding the whole prison system, and even other states’ and the federal system, with gang activity. The current strategy, implemented in the 1990s, is to identify high-level gang members (a process called “validation”) and bring most of them to Pelican Bay.

Pelican Bay is far from the gangs’ strongholds of Los Angeles and the Central Valley. In every direction there is little more than redwoods, marijuana farms, and seacoast. More important, Pelican Bay has the facilities and knowledge necessary to isolate and neutralize gang members. {snip}

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  • LHathaway

    I remember driving by a prison quite awhile ago. While it was raining fairly hard outside, all of the prisoners were outside standing in the rain. They must have been quite eager to get out into the larger yard, outside the building.

    • My best afternoon locked up was when the heating system in the federal detention center in Engelwood, CO broke down and burned. We spent a whole, glorious September Colorado day out on the rec yard, and they brought us lunch there. It was a great federal picnic. I spent about four hours playing volleyball and walking laps around the track, talking with my cellie.

      • Michael, have you ever thought about writing a book about your prison experiences?

        • I have a family and a machine shop and a houseful of books. The reason I am not bitter is because that old experience doesn’t cut into me anymore. I had to let it go for my own well-being. The whole reason I went down in the first place was because I wouldn’t let some things go.

          I would rather write about vegetable gardening, though I have been collaborating on a chapter about making fishing lures with a famous author. I also have been writing about the US navy fleet air-defense problem in the immediate postwar era.

          I would have had to had to written the book you suggest 10 years ago. I have another life now, and while things sometimes remind me of the old days, I don’t think about that every day. There is no emotional content for me in it anymore.

          • John R

            Good move. It is best to let go of baggage.

          • A grudge is heavy and it does not have a handle.

        • Kelly John

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          • Puggg

            Your friend’s sister-in-law won’t be making $79 an hour once the Feds discover that her work is some sort of scam or crime, she’ll be making pennies an hour stamping out license plates.

          • OK, Mr. Puggg: My friend’s sister-in-law’s dog makes more money than that sniffing crotches. Ask me how!

          • Shadow

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            : )

          • Puggg

            Your friend’s sister-in-law’s dog could actually make some good money if she’s a purebred that has done well in shows.

          • MekongDelta69

            Hey he/she/what – don’t stop at a porn site. Go all the way and tell your “sister-in-law” (*cough*) to become an escort!

        • I could write a book about how to kick moderated and take no names at rummy. There’s also how to sew a pair of worn-out sneakers back together with dental floss. The leather eventually pulls away from the dental floss, but heck, I got another year out of those shoes. There’s also rolling cigarettes. I saved cigarette and cigar tobacco from the butts, and then rolled my own. Bible paper is thin and works best.

          What I felt was loss. I missed my home, being alone, my tools, my car, my books and my vegetable garden. I missed the sighing sound the wind makes as it rushes through the trees here on Colorado’s front range. I missed being able to go to the store whenever I wanted, to buy whatever I wanted. I missed women. I missed deciding what I would eat on a given day.

          Lots of my friends had it worse. The married guys usually were divorced by their wives, who then kept everything, but when getting through that $#!& sometimes a guy needs some emotional help. We looked out for each other.

          Rex was in tears when his wife divorced him and lost out on his last appeal; his lawyer had managed to get him the max. I wanted a sentence reduction, and lost that as well. We got all that mail in the same week. We looked out the windows from the rec room and watched the 2003 July 4 fireworks over Ft. Worth. I told him that there is no situation so bad that it can not be made worse.

          He was released in April 2010. I wish him well.

          Convicts have to be polite to each other because everybody is under a lot of stress, like divorces and lost appeals and just plain wanting to be home. Once one has been stripped away from normal life, it is easy to become angry.

          I wasn’t angry or bitter. I like talking with people, and I planned out car builds down to the last detail, even the rear-end gearing. One of the Mexicans had me work out one for his brother. He had $100 put on my books, but his brother later wrote that he was afraid to give it too much gas. It probably has a nice mural of Jesus and Mary on each side, but I’ll bet it is the fastest Monte Carlo from 0-60 in the world.

          One inspector took a tour of the place, and said “These are not criminals. They’re just a bunch of guys waiting to go home.”

          It was relatively easy for me.

          One guy I knew in Denver County got 37 years for being stabbed in his neck by his ex-girlfriend, who illegally sold his Land Rover and was looting out his bank account until we called my mother and she stopped that. I was one of the lucky ones.

  • I was at a federal low, so these were not very serious troublemakers, but we all self-segregated for the most part. I thought the speech the warden gave us at orientation was perfect. I don’t remember all the details, but some of the details are this:

    Take care of your teeth.
    Eat lots of vegetables at the chow hall.
    There are no gangs here. If you form or join a gang, I will ship you.

  • anony

    Prison: a microcosm of the world including the violence.

    Segregation by race is natural. War is the norm.

  • MarcB1969

    Writer Jim Goad has mentioned how surprisingly polite prisoners were to one another and how relatively uneventful prison life was during his two years and change spent in an Oregon penitentiary.

    • TruthBeTold

      With the exception of ultra violent criminals, I suspect most people try to keep it as uneventful as possible. Why put a target on your back?

      But there are always the loose canons and instigators.

  • BernieGoetzFan

    AR has had a few items on prison race gangs over the years – mainly from whites in prison. While white gangs seem mostly defensive in nature, it is good to know that they fight back when attacked.

    • IBWHITE

      In the prison I worked at if a White didn’t defend himself he was not allowed in the gang and could be victimized by anyone without retaliation. If a White gang member observed another White being attacked by a different mob and did not come to his assistance then he would be assaulted or murdered by his own gang. This kept the gangbangers in check since no one benefitted from an all out war.

  • Dave4088

    The prison system is rife with racial conflict thanks to the witches brew of racial groups that are forcibly integrated inside the prison walls. If commons sense would prevail instead of radical equalitarianism and prisons (especially max security) were allowed to segregate prisoners according to race then the prisoners would be much safer and prisons would be far less barbaric than they currently are.

    • IstvanIN

      You can Hag Bader-Ginsburg for that.

    • Mack0

      White prisons would be safer. Black prisons would be just as violent. What the article implies but never outright says is that black brought the gang culture to the prisons.

      • Shadow

        “…black brought the gang culture to the prisons.”

        I’m inclined to believe that black gangs AND Hispanic gangs are equally responsible for bringing the gang culture into the prisons.

    • Who Me?

      They not only forcibly try to integrate the prisons; by their very nature, prisons are full of the worst dregs of every society. Segregating them by race would help immensely, but would never completely remove all the danger.

    • newscomments70

      Alcatraz, closed in 1963, had a mostly white inmate population, reflecting US demographics at that time. Many guards lived on the island with their families. The guards’ children actually had some limited contact with the inmates during work details. The inmates were mostly kind and gregarious. At one point, the warden ordered inmates to help collect toy guns from the children. He thought it was dangerous for children to have toy guns so close to a prison. (Yet he had the inmates collect them…hmmm). The inmates found this ridiculous and gave the toys back to the children. On Christmas, the guards’ children used to sing Christmas carols to the cell blocks. The prisoners would listen appreciatetively and yell “Merry Christmas” at the finale. Can anyone imagine that happening in today’s diverse prison environment? The prisoners would say and do every perverted act imaginable in the presence of the guards’ children. Nothing is sacred in multicultural, third world societies.

  • Tarczan

    An interesting side story is the story at Angola prison in Louisiana. It was once the most dangerous prison in America, something like 5 or 6 murders a year. The new warden kind of forced Christianity upon the inmates. He forbid swearing. There have been no murders there for the last few years. An amazing story. The Atlantic did a story on the warden and pretty much did a hatchet job on him, because of the Christianity.

  • [Guest]

    So, in prison, people from diverse groups—including white people—form gangs along racial lines for protection of themselves and other members of their race. Outside of prison, each of these diverse groups—except white people—looks after the interests of its own race.

    • LHathaway

      Lets see. Plenty of liberal whites with nice lives lament the disparate impact society has, on people of color. The justice system has a greater need to address an inequality of outcomes. The ‘diversity field’ of racial consciousness just has no white advocates or representatives. . .

    • ElComadreja

      Whites have been stripped of their racial identity while it’s been encouraged in blacks and browns. They also have a primitive tribal mentality that makes ganging up natural.

  • MekongDelta69

    They’re scum. Integrate all of them and let them kill each other until the last piece of garbage is standing.

    No more scum. No more gangs. No more prisoners. No more wasted tax dollars. A warning to scum on the outside to let them know what awaits them.

    • ElGringo

      Did you forget that all of us are “criminals” or “terrorists” according to this regime? What if George Zimmerman was found guilty? What about Darren Wilson?

      • It’s a very good point. Our Disqus commentary alone would have us in a supermax thanks to juries whose minds have been polluted by mass-media propaganda since Day One.

    • Who Me?

      True story: my husband had to escort an inmate to the local hospital for some lab work or some such. This was a high-risk guy. So he was wearing belly band and hand and leg cuffs. The nurse, an older lady, asked, (word for word, I kid you not) “What did that nice boy do that you have him chained up like a dog?” My husband looked her right in the eye and replied, “He beat his grandmother to death with a rock.”
      She replied “You are a liar!” He tossed the guys papers on the desk and said, “Read it for yourself.” She did, and disappeared down the hall, never to be seen again.

      Some of these liberal idiots that argue against putting murderers, rapists, carjackers, and other violent scum in prison need to be required to take one or two of them home to live with them for a while. Most probably wouldn’t last a week. The only thing wrong with that is that the felons would be allowed to run rampant, and they’s why they are in there in the first place, because they can’t be allowed to live among us, for our safety.

      • MekongDelta69

        “The only thing wrong with that is that the felons would be allowed to run rampant, and they’s why they are in there in the first place…”

        First – I believe the story about your husband. Bleeding hearts are everywhere.
        Second – When I said, “Integrate them… (etc.),” I meant in prison. I didn’t mean letting felons running rampant on the streets.

        • I don’t run rampant on the street. Wednesday evening, I walked to the liquor store, but most days I don’t travel farther than the mailbox. When I returned home from prison, the feds wandered around my neighborhood “warning” everyone I was back. For several years I got my mail at night, just so nobody would see me. It wasn’t like I was some renter; I had bought my home in 1996, seven years before.

          The hilarious aspect to the whole thing is that the TSA agent I had house-sitting for me, who stole from me and who told anyone who would listen that I was “crazy” is now almost 8 years into a life sentence for child-molestation. They should have warned everyone about him, instead. A Japanese gal in her late 20s or early 30s with a college degree, a career and her $#!& together is my dream date – waitaminute, already got one – and not someone’s kid.

          What did federal prison do for me? It turned me from a very good scrounger into the Marquis de Scrounge. When someone throws away a vacuum cleaner here, I cut the cord off, take that home and put a female plug on the chopped end. These plug ends are $1.50 at Wal Mart, so for that price, I have a nice, long extension cord that will take a continuous load of 12 or 15 amps at 110 volts AC. The low end of that is thus still 1300 Watts, which is pretty good. I recently made the rotating blades for six spinner lures out of some scrap aluminum that I traced patterns onto, cut with tin snips and then ground fine on a carborundum wheel.

          I keep a list of $#!& I scrounge each year, and at Christmas, I am thankful. I didn’t want to be a felon, but I am, and short of a Presidential pardon, I always will be.

          • I count it as a good day anytime I don’t have to venture further than my mailbox.

      • The problem with the whole thing is that most of us are eventually released.

        • Michael

          The Problem is most people that are sent to Jail/ prison are at first non violent and there crimes have no victims… then once in the system have fewer and fewer reasons to rebuild their lives, and options as well. Being a felon, you would have a hard time getting a mortgage even if you could pay for example.

          A high school friend is doing 25 to life in California under 3 strikes. His greatest fear, early release. He now has many health problems and no job skills and is going to be almost 60 when released, what is the point as he will be homeless and all his family has passed while he has been away.

      • Puggg

        Take it from someone who works in a jail, most of the time, even though I’ve been sent out on patrol more and more as of late:

        Thank dog for jails.

        And remember my county is about as all white as a county can be these days, which means the jail is just about that white too.

        • The last time I was in county was 11 days for harassment. One of the other inmates had a festering wound on his leg. I got him to see the nurse. She asked me to stand back, so I did, but not quick enough for the deputy.

          He got in my face. I remember his face, and that wasn’t OK.

          I hope to dear God I see him after someone shoots him, just so I can walk away and go home via a liquor store.

          You guys get to go home at the end of the day, and we get to go home after a few weeks, but we remember.

          I hope someone pours gas on that PoS and sets him on fire. You folks need to back right the heck down.

        • You must live in a very cold place like Maine, New Hampshire, or Montana. I just might join you one of these days.

          • Puggg

            South of St. Louis.

          • Well south, I hope, for your own safety.

    • ElComadreja

      Agreed. Gangs exist in prison because they are allowed to. A direct result of the progressive approach to incarceration. The type of measures needed to end this would never be tolerated by the bleeding hearts.

    • Unfortunately, not all of them deserve to be there.

  • Dave4088

    The author of this article failed to point out that the Aryan Brotherhood was formed in response to a pattern of abuses suffered at the hands of mostly black, but also mestizo gangs and inmates. It’s original mission was swift and brutal retaliation against any black or brown who assaulted a white inmate. This worked since those two racial groups only fear and respect lethal force.

    • Maybe so, but now they’re just another criminal organisation selling drugs and raping each other.

    • John R

      Exactly. I am sure any of these bleeding heart White people out here would love the protection of their fellow Whites, if they were locked up with the poor “persons of color” who just got “caught up in the system.”

  • The feds have banned prison segregation by race, so whites sent to prison are at risk of being beaten to death by blacks, Mexicans, and crazy whites, too. I doubt there are any white multiculturalists singing the praises of diversity among white ex-cons.

    I’d join the Aryan Brotherhood if sent to prison and it was necessary to survive.

    At the University of Texas at San Antonio during my final years there, the university president, from the barrio himself, began recruiting students from the barrio in the name of diversity. He’s a Mexican supremacist.

    Not surprisingly, the gangs were brought on campus too, with drug dealing and violence. One of my students was threatened with death via a large knife during class one day. The administration covers up a lot of the crime on campus.

    Schools and even universities are now going to have to deal with gangs. It’s not just a prison thing or a ghetto thing anymore.

    • cherrie greenbaum123

      The complexion of universities is changing as well. Libs think this is great, seeing all the saggin’ pants bros strut around campus looking like they have somewhere to go. It looks great in the Diversity Catalogue for the school as well. But race realists know what lurks behind all this. YT pays the bills while Shitavious gets a piece of paper that says he just loves reading Walt Whitman. Plus Shitavious gets all the white girls to shake their groove thangs at him. It’s all part of the Multi-cultural Diversity Quilt, brought to you by Liberals and the string pullers of the Tribe.

      • Periapsis

        All the more reason to keep our daughters away from Universities. Most college degrees are worthless, and too many college students major in drinking, drugs and promiscuous sex.

        • Shadow

          Great advice.

          • Periapsis

            It should be a Capt. obvious to parents of young women, but it isn’t and far too many end up raped or murdered as a result.

          • Funny you should mention, as I just got permabanned from the ABC News website for posting the following in response to an article about Hannah Graham:

            Obviously young women shouldn’t wander around late at night drunk, but it’s also obvious that they shouldn’t trust mass-media depictions of people they should instead be very afraid of, and careful around. Particularly television and Hollywood movies. This unfortunate woman didn’t have her guard up because like most, she trusted the media more than her own common sense.

            Incendiary, wasn’t it? I’m always saying we should take our message out into the larger world, but we get shut down quickly indeed if we dare to veer even slightly toward inconvenient truth.

        • redpill99

          college is expensive and full of majors like wimmin studies. but what’s the alternative ? esp careers in law medicine business

      • Shadow

        I doubt there are more than 100 blacks in the entire country,in college or not,who even know who Walt Whitman is.

        • IstvanIN

          He done put up dat bridge betwin Camdum and Philly.

        • bilderbuster

          Walt Whitman Chamberlain be an old skoo B-Ball playa!

        • Neuday

          You raciss! I knows who Wal’ Whitman is he makes dem chocolates I got my mamma.

          • Now you such nice boy ta buy your mama dem chocolates. You know she do love them. I’ma bring dis up at yo nex’ parole board hearin.

        • KevinPhillipsBong

          Why should dey hafta know ’bout Walt Whiteman?

        • ElComadreja

          He dat guy wut cook dat bloo met awn dat teebee sho.

    • It’s my understanding that if sent to the pen, you have to join a gang to survive. I’ve read several articles about the A.B. acting as enforcers for the Mexicans allegedly in some instances which certainly wouldn’t make me want to throw in my hat with them. But under the circumstances of having been thrown in prison and not wanting to get shanked by some darkie for his initiation rights without him knowing my people would get him back for it, I’d probably do the same.

      • You don’t always.

      • Gentleman Jim Crow

        Crazy isn’t it? The PC obsessed fools would rather have relentless interracial violence and killings than segregate by race and let everyone live peacefully among their own kind. It’s bit like the way society a large is going really.

        • John R

          Liberalism is a cult. These aging liberals just are unshakable in their cherished beliefs: Racism is bad; all we need to do is come together and “understand” one another; and “Kumbaya.”

        • anony

          It’s part of the agenda to eliminate war. “They” think that war is caused by a combination of religion, economic disparity, race, and ethnicity.

          If those things are eliminated, there will be no more war.

          They are fools.

      • ElComadreja

        I don’t know about now. When I was there in the early 70’s there weren’t prison gangs as such. If you were respected on the street and had the right people for friends nobody would mess with you. Of course that was before blacks and browns became a majority in the prisons. Hispanics and Asians were virtually nonexistent then. Any violence I saw was usually well deserved and any homosexuality was consensual. I’m sure that’s not the case anymore.

    • Nancy

      The cover-ups in everyday society is one of the most insidious aspects of diversity. And it’s everywhere. Our two closest grocery stores had drive-by purse snatchings in the parking lots in broad daylight, but I only learned about them by stumbling upon one of the incidents a few minutes after it occurred.

      Likewise the County Fair…we’ve been going to this fair every year for 20 years as a family, and never had a problem, nor ever heard of one there. I’ve been a regular reader at Amren for quite a while, and know exactly the mayhem that the Bantus cause at similar places around the country. So I decided to strike up a conversation with the cops on duty the other night, and found out that over the weekend, upwards of 300 Bantus ran rampant through the fair, causing 7 different fights, stealing, etc. Funny, though…even after several arrests that night, we heard NOTHING about it in the paper or online.

      I say we lock up the media for a week or two. Then see how much they want to cover up Bantu behavior.

      • Dirk Agia

        When will people like you figure out who runs the news? The Jews do and brag about it…

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Hey, supposedly DISQUS works with WordPress now.

  • benvad

    Why not just gas these vermin? Just exterminate them and the hell with rehabilitation.

    • someonewhoknows

      LOL!

  • Deiter Botha

    The spread of Islam among blacks is probably a lot of reason for their weakening.

  • Thorsted

    I think some cultures and races do not have the ability to make large complex organizations, functioning states because of low level of trust and association. Arabs and africans do not have that ability.They end up in small groups that are at war with the rest.

  • MBlanc46

    We didn’t used to let Negroes form gangs. Nor Mexicans, either, I imagine.

  • Jerrybear

    Whatever happened to chain gangs? These criminal scum have too much time on their hands. Work them to the point that they are too tired to plot and organize.

    • Nancy

      Hey, Jerrybear!!! Love your avatar! (I considered calling myself Stella Blue, but was just too lazy to bother.)

      • Jerrybear

        I Love that song. Glad to see another Deadhead at a forum where there aren’t very many of us.

        • model1911

          You might be surprised.

          • Usually Much Calmer

            She said.

    • Mack0

      From what I’ve been told chain gangs were eliminated for two reasons. The first reason is that chain gangs are a kind of forced labor akin to slavery. The second reason is prison labor competed with union labor. I don’t know how true this is but I was told this by a Union contract negotiator.

    • anony

      Prisoners should be required to grow their own food and make their own clothing.

      • Who Me?

        Nope. To grow their own food, they would need shovels and hoes and such–lethal tools in the wrong hands. To sew their own clothing they would need stuff like scissors and needles, etc. also dangerous in the wrong hands.

        • anony

          Ok, so the make small rocks out of big rocks. Gee, that requires sledge hammers. Ok, so they lie around all day.

          • Who Me?

            Exactly, and that is what they do, lay around all day. Short of exterminating them if they are sentenced to over a certain amount of years or something, I don’t have any answers, do you?

          • Modern US prisons are not about punishment and also not about rehabilitation. It’s just warehousing.

          • anony

            Hoped you would weigh in.

            And so it seems. Pity.

    • Cid Campeador

      The criminal scum e.g. murderers, rapists and such should be shot.

  • The medical bills for the survivors would cost a bundle.

    • Malgus

      You mean the last guy left alive?

      Still a bargain.

  • ATBOTL

    Individualistic Anglo-Saxon criminals were put of of business in big cities over a hundred years ago by “collectivist” ethnic mobs. That paved the way for the displacement of Anglo-Saxons from the lucrative and critically influential entertainment industry. That’s how hollywood ended up in the hands of our enemies. Anglo individualism is an evolutionary dead end. We need to retribalize our people, not complain that others won’t play by suicidal rules.

    That’s really the heart of the disconnect between conservatism and nationalism.

  • ATBOTL

    Just to be clear, there will never be a time again on planet earth when atomized Anglo/NW type cultures can survive in isolation. Never. No use wishing for old days, they were where the seeds our our destruction germinated. We need to come to grips with that and give up the libertarian and classical liberal fantasies forever. The future belongs to tribes and no one else.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    Get a load of this seditionist, Charles Barron.

    http //theconservativetreehouse com/2014/09/18/new-york-democrat-charles-barrow-praises-zimbabwes-robert-mugabe-genocide-and-rabid-racism-all-my-heroes-were-americas-enemies/#more-89087

    • I would be happy to heap vituperative like “seditionist” and “traitor” on Charles Barron if I didn’t already think and know that there’s a very obvious plain as the nose on your face reason why he loves Robert Mugabe.

      Barron can’t be a seditionist and a traitor because white people aren’t his people.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Welcome to multiculturalism: my people versus your people.

  • ViktorNN

    “The explanation, Skarbek says, can be found in demographics…”

    Yep. Put multiple racial groups alongside each other in conditions where resources are scarce and the environment is stressful, and they will align along racial lines for collective self-interest and self-protection.

    Our prison system is a big social science experiment which proves the existence of race.

  • Cid Campeador

    We nuked hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians, killed and incinerated God knows how many Vietnamese citizens, we incinerated the Branch Davidian children at WACO but we continue to house, feed and clothe these beasts in these prisons that de facto THEY rule.
    Does something seem wrong here?

    • newscomments70

      Japan has a thriving economy and rules there own country efficiently. They have no strong military nor much of an international presence. ie they are not annexing countries with constant aggression and bullying, such as Russia and China. Vietnam is a starving third world country. They don’t rule anyone. The part about the prisons is correct though. Prisoners/gangs have too much power and should have it taken from them.

  • State prisons receive inmates from all over their respective states. Since the majority of a typical state lives in cities, and since many offenders are black, one would expect that even Oregon’s state prisons would be heavily black.

    I fought my case out from behind bars for 17 months, and then did another 18 in Ft. Worth Texas (and one more at a halfway house here), and the worst thing that happened to me at Ft. Worth was that someone stole my alarm clock.

    I bought another one from the commissary and later gave it to my friend when I was released.

    I took some of my books with me, and my notebooks (full of things to do, places to visit and stuff to buy), but I gave everything else away. I had a new pair of issue shoes, so I wore those out. I deliberately did not have my mother send me any release clothes, just so the feds would have to give me civilian clothing (Rustler jeans and a green Haynes pocket t-shirt). I kept my sweatshirt handy, because Greyhound buses are often heavily air-conditioned.

    Part of the drill is that a fellow doesn’t take much out with him when released. It’s just good manners to give it to one’s friends. This way, the stuff stays where people need it.

  • Tom_in_Miami

    It’s posts like this one that drive away many potential AmRenners, presenting a small group of negroes as unable or not allowed to peacefully walk down a public road. The sympathy and support goes to the negroes while the whites bellow “USA…USA…USA.” This is a disservice to educated, race conscious, proud whites.

    • someonewhoknows

      When they are Nation of Islam Panthers, then they sould be reacted to as such.