Fwd.us President Suggests Foreign Workers ‘Truly Great,’ Americans ‘OK’

Tony Lee, Breitbart, August 25, 2014

Joe Green, the FWD.us president who was also Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg’s college roommate, was asked in a recent Bloomberg TV interview how he felt about big-tech companies like Microsoft, Cisco, and Hewlett-Packard that are slashing American high-tech jobs while pushing for massive increases in guest-worker permits. He suggested that foreign workers are “truly great,” while Americans are “just sort of okay.”

Green stated that jobs in technology, engineering, and design are “extremely high-value, high-productivity jobs, where the difference between someone who is truly great and just sort of okay is really huge.”


FWD.us has poured millions of dollars into getting drastic increases in guest-worker visas that the Congressional Budget Office determined would lower the wages of American workers. The group, along with other high-tech interests, is pushing for more guest-workers at a time when, as Breitbart News has extensively reported, “scholars and studies from organizations on the left, right, and center have debunked the notion that there is a shortage of American high-tech workers.”

Green, though, insisted that America had the capacity to absorb more foreign workers and even claimed that a “vast, vast majority of tech engineers that I talked to who are from the United States are very supportive of bringing in people from other countries because they want to work with the very best.”


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  • MekongDelta69

    The Zuck is a big financer of Fwd[dot]us


    • IstvanIN


      • bilderbuster

        But of course!

  • Neither of the Indian H-1b engineers I worked with in the 1990s could have invented his way out of a paper bag with a chainsaw and a flamethrower. That said, they were in fact “truly great” at whining about how I was getting “too many” patents awarded.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      All anyone has to do is hang around enough of them for a few days to see how “brilliant” they really are. Same with arabs. I have witnessed first hand just how “intelligent” these two groups are who supposedly gave us most of our math that we have today (we are told). The Chinese on the other hand, may be brighter, but they seem to go calling on a white man whenever their computer or car stops working. They can’t seem to think outside of the box.

    • me

      Have you ever had your phone call redirected to those ‘truly great’, semi-retarded Indians–poor slobs that work for a dollar a day answering customer service calls? Michael Christopher Scott, testify with me! Having your call transferred to India is like being sent to the Babylonian section of Hades. These corporate btards that are outsourcing their customer service to India, the biggest sweatshop on the planet, just as well admit that they don’t give a good g-damn about their customers. The corporate exploiters of cheap, Third World labor should be rounded up and put in a stockade, where huge cow pies, rotten eggs, horse nuggets, rotten fish heads, and other sundry items could be hurled at them. Then, the corporate btards should be left there for at least a week, and given monkey urine to sip so they don’t die.

      • I am polite with the Indian women. When I reach someone speaking Ebonics, I hang up and try again, but while the usual sing-song Subcontinental Indian accent on a woman isn’t grating, one out of a man’s mouth simply makes me want to laugh.

        Moreover, I’m happy they aren’t here, and even happier that I don’t have to try to understand Ebonics when I need help addressing a software issue.

      • evilsandmich

        As a note AT&T for their enterprise services finally gave up on the Indian call center after ten years or so and moved it back to the U.S. I still hate AT&T though for putting me through years of torture of trying to communicate complicated network changes to people who had, at best, a tenuous grasp of the English language.

  • journey

    This Joe Green is looking for cheap labor. And most people in the industry know that
    American workers are better than foreign workers. Foreign workers are worse than robots. They cannot think on their own. Green loves foreign workers because he can slave labor and intimidate them.

    What people like Joe Green does not realize is that having the correct people in companies add tremendous value because these workers innovate and invent while on the job.

    Such traitors to the very country that nurture people like Joe Green.

  • Marc Zuckurburg

    Joe is my friend, and he knows how much I disagree with him when he says that American tech workers are just sort of okay.

    I don’t even think that highly of them.

    American tech workers have never impressed me. All they do all day is kvetch about how they need to be paid more than minimum wage, how my 20 hour a day 7 day a week work load at Facebook fatigues them, how they have to live in crowded apartments because of the high cost of rental units around here, how they can’t afford to have kids, (like anyone should want these whiners to reproduce), how long their commute is, their student loan payments. It’s not enough that I just let Starbucks open up a location inside Facebook and that employees get a 5% discount.

    I don’t have any of these problems from my international workers who have guest worker visas.

    Which is why I can’t wait until President Obama signs that piece of paper waiting on his desk, and it won’t take me but a second to replace all those ungrateful Americans with loyal grateful hard working folks from Asia, people who know what opportunity is all about. People who read A Christmas Carol because the first half is an instruction manual and the second half is a tragedy with a very sad ending.

    I’m proof of that!

    Make my immigration reform imminent, please!

    • me

      Marc, you scallywag! Taking time off from being Satan’s butt buddy, are you? You and Barry should invest in some central air conditioning before you guys depart from this mortal coil. It will come in handy when you relocate to that Tenth Layer of Hell.

      • They won’t be ably to take it with them.

        • me

          But, Michael, they DO think that they’ll be able to ‘take it with them’. They are truly delusional….

          • Puggg

            Or maybe they think they’re not going anywhere.

          • I’m not religious, so of course I already understand that. To me, life is already Heaven, if one knows what to appreciate. My daughter and I worked on her arithmetic today, and I intermittently finished two more fishing lures, and made a dust trap that goes inside my metal polisher. I now only need shut down the polisher, open the lid, and then vacuum out dust composed of rust particles and old paint from the trap with a Shop Vac, before closing it back up and turning it on again, without wasting the polishing media. I also made all three meals today and ran a load of laundry. We had enough rain that I didn’t have to worry about the garden. I finished two more fishing lures.

            I also posted here and on Yahoo. Today was a good day. I would like that forever, instead of God.

    • Puggg

      I challenge you to the Ferguson Police Department Challenge.

  • Luca

    There is no shortage of High Tech, highly educated American workers, except for those who refuse to work for $8.25 an hour. At those wages it would take 135 years to pay off their student loans. On the other hand, I doubt the H1 visa holders even have to pay for their airfare.

  • They don’t care how blatant their lies are anymore, do they? Joe Green is only interested in green–pieces of paper with dead WHITE males on them.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    Another fable to stroke the egos of Hindus. As if they aren’t arrogant enough.

    And by the way, I heard recently from a “scholarly” source that it was Indians who saved the world during Y2K. Please tell me this is a myth?

    • me

      Myth. Barry hired a bunch of ‘truly great’ Indians to launch his ‘truly great’ healthcare website, for his ‘truly great’ healthcare plan, and you know how well those ‘truly great’ Hindus did on the design and implementation of that ‘truly great’ boondoggle. And so it goes, in the ‘truly great’ age of the Kali Yuga.

    • thomasdosborneii

      No, who saved the world from Y2K were older guys in their 50s or so, who had gotten into computers in the late sixties when programs were still written on punch cards and sorted by unit record equipment, and worked on huge main frame computers made by companies like IBM and Honeywell, that processed data on grids of magnetic rings. They remembered how to program in languages like Fortran and COBOL which were the shoulders that more modern operating systems and languages still stood on.

    • Luca

      Y2k was a fabricated crises. We saw it coming a decade in advance and had solutions long before the contrived doomsday arrived. They just wanted to scare everyone into buying corrective software at an inflated price.

  • it’s great to see the Dissident Right get away from the old mainstream conservative approach to knocking immigration (namely, immigrants use more social services and have lower IQs).

    Most white people are not rich. But they do need to get jobs and they want their pay to increase. So taking a Labor-centric approach to fighting mass immigration is the way to go. Look at how well Dave Brat did with that approach.

    Let the propaganda trap of the establishment GOP behind, and delve into the world of Capital vs Labor. Capital vs Labor is what immigration is really all about, and what it has always been about.

    • Chris R

      This is true. I have seen that the more moderate lefties

    • ATBOTL

      The dissident right is getting further and further from Reagan-style conservatism. Younger white Americans are calling themselves libertarians and nationalists rather than conservatives. Conservatism is now clearly a dying ideology.

      To bad most white nationalist leaders in America decided to make WN subservient to conservatism instead of building their own independent movement.

      • well, they might justify their adherence to the tenets and dogma of conservatism by arguing that doing so would attract more followers/readers. The question is whether they cling to conservatism in order to attract more followers to the movement, and thus give the movement more relevance and power, or whether they hope to make money for themselves by attracting more readers and viewers, followers etc.

        Are leaders of the Dissident Right in it for money, or are they in it to fight the power and preserve the white race?

        • ATBOTL

          That was the question in 1994. It’s been answered. It’s clear now in 2014 that that strategy didn’t work. We need to build our own movement. Clinging to conservatism is not an option when conservatism itself is dying out among younger white Americans.

          I don’t think it’s likely than anyone is getting involved in the truly dissident right for reasons of money or fame.

  • kjh64

    Well, maybe Joe Green and Mark Zuckenberg ought to be replaced by foreign workers and maybe likewise Congress.

    • me

      They’re too stupid to have that kind of foresight.

  • OS-Q

    If you think White Americans are OK then leave and GO somewhere TRULY great, like Burkina Faso, Fernando Po, Bangladesh, or the 4th Circle of Hell.

    • evilsandmich

      I think that he may be ‘projecting’: “I’m a crappy worker, ergo…”

  • Brian

    Ask how many American IT workers whether they’re making more $ now than 10 years ago.

  • John

    The only reason these companies want guest workers in the IT industry is because they can get them more cheaply than native Americans. That’s all. The average IQ for India for example, is 85. Where are all these super smart, highly skilled IT workers coming from if the population as a whole is less intelligent? The US has plenty of super smart and highly competent IT, engineers and mathematics graduates that would be absolutely better than these foreign invaders would in every respect. Additionally, Americans prefer to take their bowel movements indoors and in private, unlike millions of Indians who prefer the wild outdoors, even when indoor plumbing is available. Nasty, nasty people. Makes me wonder why every Indian I’ve met except for 1 is so arrogant.

  • JohnEngelman

    Immigration is one area where the interests of employers and employees clearly diverge. More immigrants mean more job applicants and more consumers. By the law of supply and demand this means lower wages, higher prices, and higher profits.

    When someone says that a policy is good for the economy, you need to ask, “Whose economy?” When someone uses the word “reform,” you need to ask, “Will I benefit from this reform?”

  • Mrfinoni

    It can not be both TRUE and FALSE at the same time. This is simply NOT TRUE!

  • This is where the American workers non-violent protest must do a Ferguson

    • I’ve managed some rather effective non-violent protest. I haven’t worked in my field in 14 years. Since I averaged 13 patents per year, that is 182 patents a certain Colorado Springs company didn’t get. The hell with those guys; I’d rather the Japanese got them all. Since they couldn’t replace me – they tried with another H-1b – they no longer have a chemistry division anymore, so instead of developing new materials, they do circuit design. Everybody and his kid brother does circuit design, so the company is on drip-feed: DARPA Phase-ones.

      I think this is great, and couldn’t happen to more deserving people.

      They had to let all the H-1b engineers from India go, once they no longer had contracts to pay them from. Thank Vishna, that I was no longer getting “too many” patents for their liking awarded at that point!

      In the meantime, my blood pressure is almost exactly half of what it was while I was working for those moderated moderating bosses.

      I won. I am a stay-at-home dad, and those two greedy oafs have to go hats-in-hands to Matsushita to beg for joint R&D money, even when everyone knew that would end after Dr. Gota Kano retired. I wonder how much time those jerks have for fishing, or for their families.

      The best revenge is living well.

      • I like that Mike ..

      • Luca

        The best revenge is living well…and fishing often.

      • ATBOTL

        This troll needs constant attention.

  • tetrapod

    I work for the US affiliate of a European computer services company. The CEO of the US affiliate is Indian. In the years I’ve worked for this company the majority of vacant leadership positions have been filled by Indians. The homepage of the internal company website shows a “diverse” group of “representative” employees. The single white in the photo is a smallish women toward the back. The rest are of Asiatic/black/Hispanic mystery meat ethnicity. Oh, and by the way, the European CEO is of the tribe.

    When will whites wake up and start playing their own ethnic games?

    • ATBOTL

      Younger whites are psychologically distancing themselves from America. They don’t have the same feelings of loyalty or belonging that older whites do. This is happening on an emotional level and is not yet tied to political ideology. It’s from these post-Americans that nationalism will emerge.

  • ShermanTMcCoy

    There are good and bad, competent and incompetent Indians. Pound for pound, we Americans run rings around them in terms of creativity and programming capability.

    But they are cheap. And that is all that counts. Not lying on their resumes, not the blatant corruption that is endemic to their culture, their horrible lack of hygiene.

    Nope, none of that counts.

    Because they are cheap.

  • Paulie Boy

    And BOTH parties are complicit in the selling out of the working class. Little Eddie Gillispie and Reince Pribus (sic) have suggested increasing annual work visas to seven million. They are tools of oligarchs such as Adelson and Zuckerberg (hmmm, what do those two have in common) to depress wages by creating excess labor.

  • journey

    That’s quite a truthful intellectual entertaining piece you wrote. Enjoyed reading it! Overall in agreement. Thanks for the informative link. “They” are currently riding high on what this country has created and built. “They” do
    well in other people’s countries but not so when on their own. This in turn creates resentment and anger toward the host.