When ‘Traditional’ Apparently Means ‘White’

Steve Benen, MSNBC, June 17, 2014

North Carolina State House Speaker Thom Tillis (R) fairly easily won his party’s U.S. Senate nomination this year, after presenting himself as the most electable center-right candidate to take on Sen. Kay Hagan (D) in November.

He may have oversold his electoral qualities a bit.

We learned a month ago about remarks, first aired by MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, in which Tillis argued in 2011, “What we have to do is find a way to divide and conquer the people who are on assistance.” The Republican lawmaker described a vision in which policymakers pit those in need against one another, in order to cut off benefits for those on the losing end of the fight.

This morning, TPM reports on another striking quote from Tillis’ recent past.

State House Speaker Thom Tillis (R-NC), the Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in North Carolina, said that the “traditional” voting bloc of his home state wasn’t growing like minority populations in an interview he did in 2012.

In context, the host of the Carolina Business Review television program asked why the Republican Party was struggling with minority voters, most notably Hispanics. Tillis responded that he believes the GOP’s message is “appealing to everybody.” As for his party’s demographic challenges, he added, “The traditional population of North Carolina and the United States is more or less stable. It’s not growing. The African-American population is roughly growing but the Hispanic population and the other immigrant populations are growing in significant numbers.”

It sounded an awful lot like Tillis sees the “traditional population” as the white population.

The Republican’s campaign manager said this morning that Tillis was referring to “North Carolinians who have been here for a few generations” when he used the word “traditional.”


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  • MekongDelta69

    As if anybody with an IQ over 50 would actually listen to a lunatic like Chris Matthews (or anybody on MSNBC) – who hates all White people – except himself and his ‘elite buddies.’

    • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

      “or anybody on MSNBC”

      I record Rachel Maddow (and wish I had not ignored her up to about a year ago). She presents intelligent AND CAREFULLY RESEARCHED PROGRAMS which, if they happen to touch on topics of interest to me such as race, illegal immigration or (yesterday, for example) the neocon characters who got us into the Iraq War, can be informative — allowing for the hard left slant.

      I think this intelligent leftist lesbian has MSNBC’s highest rated show, which may not be saying much, but it is saying something. To be satisfying a diet of “conservative” FOX lightweights — whom I also record in case they take on a diversity issue — needs the “seasoning” of a bright, hard-working leftist.

      • Spikeygrrl

        I’m on record elsewhere as noting that when Maddow is not grinding her political axe she is intelligent, personable, and a first-rate interviewer. I was particularly impressed by her COMPLETELY APOLITICAL primetime special a few years back about the construction of the new World Trade Center. It’s probably unrealistic to hope that she’ll have a political change of heart…but hey, stranger things have happened (cf. Charles Krauthammer, David Mamet, Dennis Miller, Victoria Jackson, Tammy Bruce, Milton Friedman, Laura Schlessinger, and even Ronald Reagan!).

        • Löwenmensch ᛟ

          Did she question why building 7 fell straight down in a controlled demolition style free fall on 9/11? No, she just blabs about some new buildings. She is not a journalist just a actor reading the script.

      • Löwenmensch ᛟ

        She reads a teleprompter and papers with words wrote mostly by others. TV hosts are like Hollywood actors.

      • LHathaway

        I didn’t understand your post, for Fox news to be successful they need a bright hard working leftist behind the scenes helping out?

        • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

          No. My post has nothing about how to make Fox News more successful, just how to maximize our own information-gathering efforts.

  • Manaphy

    Please don’t be fooled, Thom Tillis is an anti-white, amnesty supporting shill who, if elected, would just be the puppet of Karl Rove and big business and the people we can’t mention. This is obviously a red herring meant to distract whites who would have otherwise stayed home.

    • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

      His opponent is Democrat Kay Hagan who voted in lock-step with the Democrat-controlled U. S. Senate for S. 744 the amnesty for 12 million (or more) illegal aliens and doubling of legal immigration. S. 744 was DOA in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives (though the risk of a smaller measure cannot be ruled out — so great is the pressure of business lobbies).
      Could Thom Tillis possibly be more anti-white than a Democrat?

      • borogirl54

        I do know that Kay Hagan voted against the Dream Act in 2010.

        • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

          That’s true. But it’s what she’s done lately (2013) that best predicts what she’ll do next.

      • Manaphy

        He plans to vote the exact way as Hagan in regards to immigration. All other issues do not matter.

        • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

          Your evidence of Thom Tillis’ voting plans on immigration?

          • Manaphy

            Look at his record as speaker of the North Carolina House of Representatives. Case in point: he blocked numerous bills for Arizona-style immigration enforcement, despite having a Republican supermajority in both houses, and a Republican governor. Instead he forced through a bill which would loosen the penalties on big businesses who hire illegals. Also, just look at the people who endorsed this guy in the primary, e.g. Karl Kardashian Rove, John McCain, Lindsey “closeted homosexual” Graham, Peter King, Michael Medved, etc..

            Seriously, look this guy up. You will find an ocean of Hispandering.

          • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

            Good answer. He’s definitely suspect. However, it must be said that the one vote in the NC House I know of — “the loosening of penalties on big businesses who hire illegals” (expanding the time between hiring and mandatory use of E-Verify from 90 days to 9 months) — he was joined by 100 percent of Democrats in North Carolina and something like 2/3’s of Republicans. Meaning? You always get a traitor in a Democrat, you’re like to get a traitor in a Republican — but a traitor that can be “persuaded” to do the right thing if watched like a hawk.

            I still think he’s a better bet than the Democrat he’s running against.
            If Tillis wins he’ll have to be watched like a hawk. If Hagan wins, no amount of “watching” will do any good.

    • JustJeff

      If he was he would’ve had the guts to say White, not “traditional”.

      • gemjunior

        To me every single one of them is an anti-white liar. The only politician I will ever trust will tell the truth – they will state unequivocally that blacks commit most of the crimes in the US and that whites face extinction. Then he or she will make plans accordingly. Otherwise they are just looking to keep their jobs, and the only way to do it is to spout the party line. They disgust me. Chris Matthews, however, is in a class by himself. He is hardly human.

  • Yo, Thom: When you’re on the right track, don’t veer off the road.

    But with your amnesty and open borders agenda, you still wouldn’t get my vote. Unless you tell the zillionaires, the open borders lobby, the donors and Karl Roverrated to go eat rocks, then I’d consider it.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    Political correctness (and MSNBC in particular) knows no bounds. America and North Carolina were once overwhelmingly white. That was the tradition of those voting blocs. What’s wrong with stating the obvious?

    • TruthBeTold

      I know.

      What’s the controversy?

      Has no one ever referred to blacks as a traditional voting bloc?

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      The forces of political correctness must narrow the field of acceptable discourse in order to accomplish their goal of white genocide with the least possible resistance. This is something that was discussed by George Orwell in his book 1984.

  • TruthBeTold


    And no one ever talked about blacks being a traditional democrat voting bloc.

  • dd121

    What’s wrong with asking for white votes in the USA? We created everything, including the institutions and infrastructure. I WANT a white identity for our people.

    • Pro_Whitey

      “Whites are people, too!” is now such a radical phrase, I have to use a pseudonym to say it.

  • Tillis cowardly response re his use of the word traditional bodes ill for his courage to resist the pressure that comes once seated in Congress. We need men of courage, but we get pansies like Lindsay Anne Graham, even in the south. That’s because the same money that controls the Dems also controls the Repuglicants.

    • bilderbuster

      And gives us “traditional” Southerners like Eric Cantor.

      • Pro_Whitey

        Although not that nontraditional either. Look up Judah Benjamin and his role in the Confederacy. However, please do not misinterpret that as some kind of claim that the Confederacy was Jew-controlled, etc. I have become a pro-Confederate northerner, although I am really more anti-Lincoln and anti-radical republican. I support what was the dream of Jefferson Davis, the eventual abolition of slavery in conjunction with the “colonization” of the freed slaves (that is, moving them out of the U.S. as soon as possible).

        • bilderbuster

          I know but I couldn’t help myself.
          Maybe I should have used Piyush “Bobby” Jindal as a fine example of a “traditional” Son of the South.

      • DiversityIsDeath


  • DiversityIsDeath

    The traditional population of North Carolina IS undeniably White. Anyone can just scan Wikipedia to find that this state was founded, settled, and developed by Europeans (predominantly Brits) centuries ago. Why is this obvious fact shocking or unspeakable? If not Whites, then who do the white-hating liberals claim IS the “traditional population” of North Carolina? Asians? Africans? The Tuskarora Indians? Let’s hear it just for laughs.

  • HJ11

    When enough of us ordinary citizens refuse to apologize for being White the politicians will soon join in that refusal. Right now, it is too easy to back down Whites about being White and liking being White.

  • OhWow

    Funny when Charles Barkley declared the NBA a “black league” no one batted an eye. It’s hard to see double standards when you are black.

  • IKUredux

    Everybody on this planet knows that “traditional American” means WHITE. Period. Now, they plan on taking that away as well. They have changed our present, they are working on changing our future. And, they are distorting the facts and changing our past. Unbelievable. And, we just let them. My head is ready to explode with this crap. But, if it does, I know who I want to be standing next to when it happens.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    Before being double-crossed by Ted Kennedy, when he said America’s demographic percentages wouldn’t change with the passing of Hart-Celler 1965, America was close to 90% white.

    Steve Benen, what part of “…When ‘traditional’ apparently means ‘white’..” don’t you understand? The truthful, verifiable part?

  • IstvanIN

    Perhaps a better way of putting it would be North Carolina’s former owners?

  • Rodney S

    Left-wing loons hate tradition. To them, traditional America needs to be “fundamentally transformed” into a Third-World, polyglot boarding house.

  • LHathaway

    If he were referencing the white population, ‘fact checkers’ would force him to admit that the white population is not stable but in decline.