So When Will Being ‘White British’ Become a Crime?

Richard Littlejohn, Daily Mail (London), June 12, 2014

Amid all the furore about Islamist infiltration of schools in Birmingham, another story involving the education watchdog Ofsted has received rather less attention.

Inspectors have criticised a rural school in Devon for being insufficiently ‘diverse’. Although they concede that Payhembury Primary is a ‘happy place’, it has been denied an ‘outstanding’ rating because all 68 pupils are of ‘white British heritage’.

Well, they would be. Small villages in Devon tend not to be melting pots of multiculturalism. In fact, outside the big cities, most people in Britain are of ‘white British heritage’ even though the mass immigration of the past 15 years is changing that demographic rapidly.

Parents have been told that they must pay £35 to send their children on a ‘sleep-over’ at a school in Isleworth, West London, where three-quarters of pupils are from ethnic minority backgrounds.

Headteacher Penny Hammett wrote: ‘The purpose of this trip is to build up a relationship with a school in a very different community to ours. This will enable our children to gain a better understanding of multicultural Britain, which was identified in our last Ofsted as being an area for development.

‘Through our topics, visitors and discussions we have been developing multicultural awareness in both Britain and throughout the world, but this visit will help us to experience in real life a school where there is a wide mix of children with different ethnic backgrounds and almost 50 per cent of the children do not have English as their first language.’

The Rev Cate Edmonds, chairman of the governors at Payhembury, said: ‘We are fairly mono-cultural as an area in Devon and we don’t want children growing up thinking the whole world is full of trees and cows.’

But one mother objected: ‘I’m astounded by this idea. Just because the children go to a small school in the country does not mean they aren’t aware of people with different-coloured skin to them. It’s very patronising–and for the school they are visiting, too.’

Let me make it absolutely clear before the usual excitable suspects start bouncing up and down screaming ‘racism’ that it’s commendable for kids to learn about different cultures.

Exchange visits for schoolchildren have been going on since the Sixties, initially introduced to help them develop their foreign language skills.

I’m fortunate to live in a part of North London where friends and neighbours from all kinds of ethnic and religious backgrounds rub along well together.

Even 25 years ago, my children’s school photo looked as if it had been plucked straight from the pages of a United Colors of Benetton catalogue. But I despise the officially sanctioned cult of separate development masquerading as multiculturalism.

Just as it is appalling that Muslim children in the Midlands are being taught that all white women are prostitutes and Western values are dangerous, so it is only right and proper that pupils growing up in the Devon countryside are made aware of the wider world outside their immediate vicinity.

No, what bothers me about all this is the language being used and the element of compulsion–as well as the frankly sinister revelation that a school can be marked down by Ofsted not because of the standard of education it provides but because there are too few black and brown faces in the playground.

Why should a school be penalised because its pupils are from a ‘white British heritage’ background?

It all smacks of Labour’s deliberate policy of opening the immigration floodgates to ‘rub the Right’s noses in diversity’. And although the trip is voluntary, you know perfectly well that any parent who protests and refuses to cough up £35 will be categorised as a knuckle-scraping Neanderthal.

In some schools in London, the roll call is similarly mono-cultural, but 100 per cent Muslim rather than exclusively C of E. Are devout Islamic parents in Tower Hamlets going to be told they must fork out £35 for their children to be sent on a sleep-over in Devon so they can meet people of a ‘white British heritage’ and learn all about the Anglican faith?

What do you think?

If country folk wish to visit the inner city, they are free to do so–and vice versa. But the State is obsessed with ‘celebrating diversity’, our new officially-enforced religion.

We are quite capable of celebrating anything we like, thanks very much, without Government intervention.

Millions of pounds are frittered away each year nagging, cajoling and compelling us to embrace different cultures. Great effort goes into persuading people from an immigrant background to make more use of the British countryside.

For instance, a few years ago the Environment Agency announced that fishing was horribly white, male and middle-aged. It decided to splash out £100,000 to attract more women and ethnic minorities to the riverbank.

To demonstrate the Government’s commitment, a pilot scheme was launched in Swansea, which involved taking Muslim women and children to a lake and teaching them to fish for trout.

It was headed by Nica Pritchard, the international president of the Ladies’ Fly Fishing Association, who said: ‘A couple of hours out in the countryside and you come back a new woman. If you could just see their faces when we’re teaching them, you’d know we’re really on to something.’

Talk about patronising. It made them sound like special needs children. But what struck me about the accompanying picture of these poor women was that they were forced to wear goggles over their traditional Islamic headscarves on the insistence of elf’n’safety officials.

You couldn’t make it up.

Let’s hope the children of Devon have a whale of a time in Isleworth. They should make the most of it before possession of a ‘white British heritage’ is made a criminal offence.

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  • When did being a native born white become a crime in Britain?

    I guess it was at some point during Tony Blair’s first term.

    • So CAL Snowman

      It became a crime to be White on planet earth shortly after the Marxists won World War 2.

      • Sloppo

        You may be right. I used to think we were the “good side”, but now I know there was no such thing in that war. Oddly enough, I think the Jehovah Witnesses may have been among the most sensible people in that era because they refused to fight for either side. (BTW-I am NOT a JW.)

        • adplatt126

          There was a better side… and you weren’t on it.

        • Jacobite2

          Well, let’s put it right up front. Can anybody imagine a Nazi Germany admitting millions of untermenschen from Africa and SW Asia without a word?

          • Sloppo

            I can’t imagine a Europe run by Nazi-Germans doing that either. I’m no fan of Hitler, but I believe the European people would have out-lived his carnage more easily than they have done with Stalin’s. What many European politicians are now doing is perhaps infinitely worse because the European people may never be able to recover from being ethnically replace their own homelands.

          • Jacobite2

            Most European politicians today are not Europeans. They are deracinated, deformed humans who are socially abnormal. The garden needs to be weeded.

          • Sloppo

            There is definitely something terribly wrong with them.

          • Jacobite2

            It’s called cosmopolitainism. Anti-human, anti-religious, anti-social, abnormal, un-natural.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Indeed, and there’s no way to fix that……….medically or otherwise. Let’s just say the rotten and dead wood has to be cut away from the tree.

          • Jotun Hunter

            Hitler may have been a bit too harsh (though even that aspect is greatly exaggerated) but in light of the struggle ahead to avoid our entire world wide extinction, it is very very hard not to see virtually everything he stood for in a positive light. If we are going to sit around weeping about the jews after watching ‘shindlers list’, as we ourselves are forcibly replaced, raped, beaten, killed and generally scorned for imaginary crimes of the past, then we aren’t going to have the sand to pull through. It is likely very harsh times are ahead requiring an iron heart.

          • Sloppo

            I agree that we will have to become much more pragmatic about our survival, but I don’t consider that to be a “dark path” at all. My family has a some black friends and we genuinely like them as individuals, but my children must understand that in the overall picture, black society is not compatible with ours. A rational examination of most American cities easily proves that fact. To be a seeker of racial separation, I believe it is not necessary to have hatred or “blackness” in our hearts towards outsiders or even blacks in particular. Our need for separation is simply what is necessary for our race and heritage to survive. What I want for my race is what I want for the other racial/cultural groups, the right to exist and control our own destiny. I believe that goal is completely compatible with the “golden rule” from the Bible. I believe it’s important to remember that separation-seekers are not on a “dark path”, but instead we stand for something which is necessary to prevent violent conflict and genocide.

          • Jotun Hunter

            I said iron in our hearts. I think the dark times are coming for us whether we like it or not. How would you suggest achieving racial separation without conflict? How will you in practice reconcile your black friends with what you teach your kids? You think these black friends will take kindly to these ideas, you will not be able to ask them to leave, and if we leave they will not take kindly to not being allowed to follow. Think about the actual resolve required, it is a thing from the past, but lays dormant in men in times of hard necessity. Even if/when we achieve ethnostates again, we will have a problem with other hostile nations, such as iraq or iran or china for instance. Eventually our will to survive will include not just fleeing to tiny islands of whiteness, but (if we are rational and full of heart) expanding our borders again. I can’t even imagine how the nuclear issue will play out in all of this.

          • Sloppo

            I agree completely. Our black friends are primarily from sports teams and a few from work. They’re not that close to us, and my children understand that race-mixing is a very big “no-no”. Nevertheless, I am very courteous to our black friends and hold absolutely no inner resentment toward them personally. If and when the conversation comes up, I certainly don’t mind explaining to them why I believe racial separation is important for the preservation of human diversity and to reduce deadly human conflict and oppression. If they don’t like my opinions at that point, that’s okay with me.

          • Just ask your black, um, acquaintances, if they like Muhammed Ali or not. Odds are about 99.42% that they’ll say they do. Then, you grab your smartphone and plug his name into a Youtube search and show them his articulate and well-reasoned and passionate pleas against race-mixing, views from the black perspective that completely mirror our own views on the topic. It might go down easier coming from him than you.

          • Sloppo

            Most of the blacks I know might not even like him, but I believe yours is a good idea because I saw Ali make a very rational argument regarding that subject. It actually made me feel a bit of respect for Ali.

          • Lion’s Mane

            It’s the most sane, common-sense thinking I’ve ever heard from a Black celebrity. Ali is not hateful or resentful against Whites. He just happens to love his own people in the way that is natural to any sensible human being.

          • Frank Morris

            “Blue birds go with blue birds, red birds go with red birds…”
            I’ve recommended that same video!

  • D.B. Cooper

    I have lost respect for your entire nation. I wonder if the very final king England will ever have is alive this very minute. You’re right, this school is too white, and I propose diversifying the student body until it becomes 90% foreign. What are you going to do about? Nothing. Look at how the pink clad Eloi cowers in fear as the Morlock carries off one of the Eloi women.
    That castrated serf is YOU.

    • Sangraal

      You’re like a broken record, D.B. Still butthurt about King George?
      America will fall long before any European nation.

      • D.B. Cooper

        “Any European nation”? Then…. wha hoppin to Yugoslavia, and Czechoslovakia? America has become as bloated as King Henry VIII. Every once in a while, a wake up call is needed.

    • David Ashton

      We know you hate and despise every white English person – you have said so many times – and you have no interest in supporting or encouraging any of our resistance efforts. In a way you are worse than the “white” traitors who have actually put us in this situation and far worse than most law-abiding non-white immigrants with your ignorant abuse. Anyway, when you and your compatriots have saved white America, you can look again at Britain. Meanwhile, we patriots regard our transatlantic cousins with friendship (you excepted).

      • D.B. Cooper

        I disrespect you because you had famous leaders in the past who would never have approved. Let me guess, your schools are teaching you that original Elizabeth is such an evil woman for purging Great Britain of several thousand Africans all those years ago?

        • Ron Cheaters

          Shouldn’t turn on your allies..
          And what do you do to promote the cause?
          At least Spartacus was one of us. Albeit a rebel. So I put you in that
          category along with Engleman.

          Always good to have some fuel in the fire.

        • Ron Cheaters

          Shouldn’t turn on your allies..
          And what do you do to promote the cause?
          At least Spartacus was one of us. Albeit a rebel. So I put you in that
          category along with Engleman.

          Always good to have some fuel in the fire.

    • Adolf Verloc

      As an American, can’t agree with this at all. In what major US newspaper could one post an article like this?

  • MekongDelta69

    Inspectors have criticised a rural school in Devon for being insufficiently ‘diverse’. Although they concede that Payhembury Primary is a ‘happy place’, it has been denied an ‘outstanding’ rating because all 68 pupils are of ‘white British heritage’.

    Oh the horror. The horror.

    I swear to God, that guilt-ridden, self-loathing white leftists have been genetically mutated enough to become clinically insane. What normal person willingly goes to his death for NO reason?

    • Ron Cheaters

      Ask Lee Rigby.
      Oh that’s right you can’t
      And it certainly isn’t too soon!

    • Ron Cheaters

      Ask Lee Rigby.
      Oh that’s right you can’t
      And it certainly isn’t too soon!

    • Petronius

      Good question. Obviously the Liberal Death Wish is not a normal part of human nature; we could not have successfully evolved and survived as a species / race through countless millennia with that kind of mindset.

      I have a hunch that the answer might be revealed by a chat with some hard-core commies from the 1940s and 1950s. Certainly nobody thought that way in the first half of the 20th century.

      White self-hate seems to run particularly strong in schools and churches. Once I began posting on AmRen, I figured it would only be a matter of time before I was hauled before a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, where somebody like Headmistress Penny Hammett or Rev. Cate Edmonds would be standing by to clap on the leg irons.

  • Magician

    It will be a crime to be a white British male who does not actively oppose Christianity and support Muslims

    And it will be a crime if a white British woman is not in a black refugee male’s arms and if she does not openly hate her own white brothers and men!

    • LHathaway

      It may not be a crime, but it could certainly be an unusual occurrence once Britain becomes successfully diverse and not so parochially white.

  • Einsatzgrenadier

    So When Will Being ‘White British’ Become a Crime?
    It already is a crime to be “White British” in what will eventually become the Islamic Republic of Grand Britanistan.

  • Kenner

    Excellent op-ed. The Daily Mail is widely read, and I check it for black-on-white crimes our media pushes under the radar.

    • David Ashton

      It is not ideal, despite the fact that “Daily Mail” has joined “far right” and “racist” as robotic swearwords from liberal media-mouths that hardly ever read it. It dislikes Prince Charles and is always running some anti-German story. But Peter Hitchens is worth reading. Other journalists are speaking out – Rod Liddle, Douglas Murray, Allison Pearson, Leo McKinstry, &c – the PC nomenklatura is beginning to crack.

      • Kenner

        The comments on racially charged articles are pretty blunt, so much so that ‘moderated in advance’ is attached to many of them, but not all. Often they’re up for a day before they’re moderated at all.

        • Vesuvius

          i have been banned from there for being too honest about muslims and blacks

    • Katherine McChesney

      DM censors heavily. My comments don’t show up and haven’t for several months.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    Government schools are a feast for satiation of leftist desires for control and manipulation. But with the young white demographic dwindling (to under 50 percent of public school students nationwide this fall), expect the leftists to target neighborhoods where whites still cluster in substantial numbers outside of schools.

    Section 8 and other forms of subsidized housing are too slow, too limited. Many whites escape their worst effects. Preview of a top domestic priority of the next Democrat president:

    In “Remember Our Racial History” (Education Week, March 26), Professor Richard Rothstein urges the integration of America’s neighborhoods “with inclusionary zoning laws, scattered public and private housing for low- and moderate-income families . . . and even the removal of tax subsidies for property in communities that fail to take aggressive steps to integrate.” His purpose is to reduce “the racial achievement gap.”

    • IstvanIN

      His “noble” purpose is a great deal more sinister.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        That purpose is to prevent whites from unifying to defend themselves, to subject them to armed attacks wherever they go, to enable the government to use darkies to monitor them, to crush their property values, to facilitate the rape, assault and murder of whites, to destroy their freedom of association and assembly, destroy private property rights, and to subject them to relentless mental stress. Did I miss anything?

        • IstvanIN

          I don’t see to eventually make them extinct.

  • Sangraal

    ‘But what struck me about the accompanying picture of these poor women
    was that they were forced to wear goggles over their traditional
    Islamic headscarves on the insistence of elf’n’safety officials.

    You couldn’t make it up.’

    No, you really couldn’t. You are confronted with the demise of your people and you still cling to your petty Tory shibboleths like that’s the real problem.
    ‘I’m not racist, I’m more concerned about the tyranny of health and safety regulations’
    Silly conservatives.

  • Pro_Whitey

    If any of the Devon kids gets hurt in this sleepover, Ofsted should get hurt.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    While this stern rebuke of forced multiculturalism is nice to see, it also shows that even opponents of forced multiculturalism in Britain have been so worn down by the Left that they accept that Britain has been multicultural and will forever continue to be. The author should not only point out the absurdity of discriminating against white Brits, but also the absurdity that non-white Brit is a designation. Brits are white.

  • RebelliousTreecko

    “White British” is as redundant as “Oriental Chinese”

    • Samuel_Morton

      Excellent point.

    • baldowl

      Used to be, yeah.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    most people in Britain are of ‘white British heritage’ even though the mass immigration of the past 15 years is changing that demographic rapidly.

    Yeah, no kidding and not for the better:

    Group: Number of children

    Whites 1.6

    Blacks 2.2

    Indians 2.3

    Pakistanis/Bangladeshis 5.0

    Somalis 5.0

    Native born White English are being genocided in their own homeland and anti-Whites like Headteacher Penny Hammett and Rev Cate Edmonds are cheering on and encouraging the process

    Only a genocidal, evil monster would celebrate the extinction of an entire race of people.

    • Conrad

      Whites of Britain (& other whites) were warned about this many times. They refused to listen. They even fought against the ones that warned them. So now they must learn the hard way.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Yes, they were. Enoch Powell was right, he was always right. Even Churchill wanted to start a campaign and put up billboards saying “Keep England White!” He was dismissed by the cultural marxists as a doddering old fool.

        Unfortunately, there will be no going back.

  • 1stworlder

    “Talk about patronising. It made them sound like special needs children”
    Special needs children probably have a higher IQ

  • Ron Cheaters

    What is wrong with trees and cows?
    Except the fact someone might ask you to chop one down or milk the other.
    Sounds like work, and it is. But if white’s don’t do it, who will?

  • Ron Cheaters

    What is wrong with trees and cows?
    Except the fact someone might ask you to chop one down or milk the other.
    Sounds like work, and it is. But if white’s don’t do it, who will?

  • Anna Tree

    When I was young, French children went to study a foreign culture/language in the neighboring country.

    Not in French big cities. And it was only European cultures/languages of course.

    I hope those kids will get how lucky they are: that an ‘happy place’ IS where all the pupils are of ‘white British heritage’.

  • Sloppo

    Moral of the story – it’s not fair for that village to have happiness when the rest of Britain has the misery of the violent chaos heaped upon them by their political leadership.

  • LHathaway

    I wanted to give the article an up-vote and then realized I couldn’t.

  • The Final Solution

    All that and this guy still doesn’t say the most important thing, which is that England IS white British and nothing else. As it was for 15,000 years.

    • Richard Littlejohn is a bit of a plastic-patriot, that’s why. He would not agree with you, wrinkle up his nose at the very remark and distance himself from any such viewpoint as quick as possible.

      He occasionally comes out with these attacks against the “PC brigade” – and some may say that it all helps stir the masses – but he is no friend of nationalists and is not on our side, not even secretly.

      The Daily Mail and their writers are schizophrenic in this way. They love to endlessly point out how this country is transforming and how ludicrous it all is – but you could have an article right on the next page that is some scare-piece about the rise of “The far right” – or attacking some “anti-immigrant” sentiments expressed by some kind of UKIP member.

      They are in the business of selling newspapers – and pointing out all the immigrant related lunacy sells papers. As soon as somebody takes a stand against it all going on, they get hounded by these papers too.

      It is ridiculous and a farce. What is more, it unfortunately creates a “release valve” where folk think if they comment to the Mail, the government will read it an their comments and do something about it! They then comment on the equally absurd story the next day, and the day after. Year after year.

      Richard Littlejohn won’t lift a finger or a voice to preserve the White British people he is talking about in this article. Much like Peter Hitchens and Melanie Philips – who are like three conjoined cheeks of the same backside.

      All we can do is make the best of what they put out and what the Mail and Express tend to run as headlines. It is certainly useful for knowing what is going on, but nothing seems to come out of it being exposed.

      • The Final Solution

        And who runs the papers? Jews?

        • Personally, I would say they do have a disproportionate involvement. Not always physically, but certainly attitudinally and influentially.

          I don’t think it would be accurate to suggest they sit there twiddling their moustaches as they connive what wheeze to come out with next, looking over the shoulders of their writers and overtly blocking material or whatever – but I do think that they have already created a culture and a narrative that is generally now self-propelling and in not much need for ‘control’ any more.

          The Daily Mail has been said to have quite a few Jewish people as part of their editorial team (they revealed this when the paper was accused of something or other) – which may explain the obsession they have with running stories about Adolph Hitler and the “Nazi” party.

          Melanie Philips is, I believe, a self confessed Zionist. Peter Hitchens is not far off being cut from the same cloth, but is more your ‘traditional’ ‘conservative’ – and Richard Littlejohn seems to mix in those kinds of circles too.

          I believe the situation in America is much more stark – with something like 50 separately owned media companies being reduced down to about 9 (over the last 50 years) which now own the whole lot behind the scenes – and that they have a whole host of owners and editors of Jewish heritage within each one.

          Another commenter here points out that articles like we get in the Daily Mail would never be published in America. If this is true, the culture that has been created and the nature of newspapers cultivated by certain interests may be a reason as to why.

          • The Final Solution

            Just as they ran the media and news in pre-war Germany. The Germans drove them out of Europe into America, where they quickly proceeded to gain control of the media companies. Free speech and the constitution are their worst enemies – America is not yet as far gone as England where this is concerned. If we lose free speech, which could very well happen, the Jews will celebrate a great victory.

          • adplatt126

            America isn’t “as far gone”? LOL! America is lost. It is well past Britain. Quarter of a century ahead perhaps.

          • ATBOTL

            The mass media in the USA is a Jewish dominated industry just like Hollywood. It’s common to have a panel of “experts” on the television news discuss some issue and have all four or five of them be Jewish.

            Magazines, newspapers, book publishing — all the same story.

            Gentiles who are journalists at elite publications must grovel to Israel and Jews to prove their loyalty. It’s nothing like the UK media.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            And if they don’t, they’re out of a job or their careers go nowhere.

  • Long Live Dixie

    I hate that putting ‘white’ in front of ‘British’ is necessary. There is no other kind of British besides white.

  • archer

    When will someone finally ask the 64 thousand dollar question, “what exactly are the benefits of diversity”? It would be fun to watch these race traitors hem and haw trying to find just one benefit.

    • I saw a little youtube video the other day titled “Multicultural Britain”. It aimed to celebrate what it was that made multicultural Britain so good. It was so awful to listen to I did not manage the whole 15 minutes.

      In answer to the question of what makes multicultural Britain so good – people just replied that “it was good” {what logic!} and that we “all can live together” and that we “learn from each other”. It was a common theme of reply. One guy stated it was good because it was “cool”.

      Why it was good that we all live together was never explained. What it was that these people learned exactly, was never explained either. I suspect that they know next to nothing about anything.

      Ask them when some Hindu festival was, after working alongside their “Hindu friends” for five years and I bet they haven’t a clue. As them what some event or figure was in Hungarian culture and they would not know where to start.

      Many of the interviewees were immigrants themselves or of immigrant origin. They are hardly going to say multiculturalism, read multiracialism, is a mistake and that they should not be here!

      The British participants were hedonistic and short sighted drones. I like your thinking though – figuring out how to combat these drones to make them look ridiculous. It is the only way – to humiliate them and remove their sense of a moral high-ground.

      • Mary

        The use of the Socratic method with some of these brainwashed beings would pretty easily, and comically, reveal how pathetically asinine these viewpoints are when applied to the real world. Many of their views contain all of the realism of 1960s hippies and their whimsical lifestyles. We see what staying power those had!

  • ATBOTL

    Can anyone imagine an American daily paper having a headline like this? This is what I mean when I say that the media in the UK is far less PC than ours is.

  • Medizin

    “where friends and neighbours from all kinds of ethnic and religious backgrounds rub along well together.”

    Using the word ‘rub’ definitely ‘rubs’ me the wrong way.

  • Jacobite2

    “Multi-cultural Britain” is only a euphemism for ‘battlefield’.

  • DonReynolds

    Everyone with the name “Reynolds” is originally from Devon and some still live there.
    The name became Anglicized when they came to England with William, almost a thousand years ago, from Switzerland.

  • Annabelle Pettyjohn

    Hitlers’s Revenge. The Jews are deconstructing the Western Culture. Jews are very good at creating misery and havoc but they NEVER, I MEAN NEVER consider the end result. There is not one time in history that the Jewish Agenda has produced a positive result. It will be interesting to see how the new majority diverse peoples of the Western World treat the Jews. The Jews may be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. There may be a time in the future when the Jews will look back on Hitler with fond memories. How will the Islamist treat the Jews when the Islamist rule the world?

  • Ella

    What if my white children lived in mostly non-white metropolis and had very few friends to play with who are like themselves? Will the school provide these few white children a field trip to understand their “white British heritage” for enriching their identity development? You can reverse the situation for white children who are stuck in inner city slums.

  • Jotun Hunter

    I find that hard to believe