Elite, Separate, Unequal

Richard D. Kahlenberg, New York Times, June 23, 2014

New York City’s elite public high schools were always meant to provide a quintessentially American blend of academic excellence and democratic accessibility. {snip}

“You pass the test, you get the highest score, you get into the school–no matter what your ethnicity, no matter what your economic background is,” Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said in 2012. But this year, only 5 percent of seats at those eight schools were offered to black students and 7 percent to Latinos, in a city where the public schools are 70 percent black and Latino. At Stuyvesant High School, just 3 percent of offered seats this year went to black and Latino students.

When the number of black and Latino students admitted to a public school is a tiny fraction of their share of the general population, it raises red flags about the fairness of the admissions system.

New York City’s eight selective public high schools base admissions on a single two-and-a-half-hour assessment–the Specialized High Schools Admissions Test–a practice that is unusual among other large public school systems in the nation. The N.A.A.C.P. Legal Defense and Education Fund, along with other groups, has filed a federal civil rights complaint against this arrangement.

In his campaign for mayor, Bill de Blasio called for diversifying these schools. His administration recently endorsed proposed state legislation that would broaden the criteria for admissions to the city’s three original specialized high schools–Stuyvesant, the Bronx High School of Science, and Brooklyn Technical High School–where the use of the test is mandated by state law, to also include factors such as a student’s grade point average, state exam scores and attendance. At the five other selective schools, Mr. de Blasio has the power to change the criteria without legislation.

The proposed law moves in the right direction, but simply adding grades to test scores may not do much to promote equity. And giving students credit for attendance sounds a bit like the old joke that 80 percent of success is showing up.

Is there a way to capture a more meaningful notion of merit without throwing out the test–a system that rewards hard work and talent and also recognizes the extra hurdles some students face?

Five years ago I worked with Chicago public school officials to create a program for their selective and magnet schools. {snip}

Under the policy we developed, 30 percent of students are admitted to Chicago’s highly selective high schools (such as Walter Payton College Prep) based strictly on the traditional criteria of grades and test scores. The remaining seats are allocated to the highest-scoring students from four different socioeconomic tiers, under the premise that students in the poorest parts of the city who score modestly lower on standardized tests have a lot to offer, given the obstacles they’ve had to overcome.

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The policy has resulted in far more racial and ethnic diversity than in New York City’s elite public schools. At Walter Payton, 21 percent of students are black and 25 percent are Latino. Some critics worry that these numbers are still inadequate in a public school system where 41 percent of students are black and 45 percent Latino. {snip}

Other critics argue that the system tilts too far in favor of children from low-income neighborhoods. But the plan has proved to be the basis for a stable and enduring compromise. Fears that students from low-income areas would fail have not come to pass, and Chicago’s top selective schools still rank as the top three in the state.

{snip} Isn’t it time for New York City’s top schools to recognize that excellence can be found among students of all racial and economic backgrounds?

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  • Lewis33

    Was it Sailer who pointed out the missing word in this article? That Asians are vastly over-represented in these schools…damn Asian privilege!

    • NoMosqueHere

      Many bright white and jewish kids in NYC attend private schools.

      • MikeofAges

        Add to that, some counterpart ideas. Some number of parents, I imagine, send their children to elite and magnet public high schools, but have them attend private lower schools. In other cases, parents may find that their children are not admitted to these selective high schools, and then send them to private or parochial secondary schools. Almost all of the wealthy and high income people send their children to private schools all the way through. Then there are parochial schools — Catholic, Jewish and Protestant. And schools run by other religions for their members.

        Ultimately, the demographic base New York’s selective high schools are drawing from may not be 70 percent black and Latino at all. What is it really? And what is it really when take out all of the mentally limited and non-performing eighth graders?

  • Basically he’s calling for race norming and quotas.

    Which is the only thing one can propose if one wants both “diversity” and testing.

    • Sick of it

      He’s calling for an end to one of the last bastions of peaceful separation from the other races. They will only leave us one option, as I have said before. They will not stop.

  • JohnEngelman

    When the number of black and Latino students admitted to a public school is a tiny fraction of their share of the general population, it raises red flags about the fairness of the admissions system.

    – Richard D. Kahlenberg, New York Times, June 23, 2014

    Actually it raises red flags about the dogma of innate racial equality.

    • NoMosqueHere

      Stuyvesant, the Bronx High School of Science, and Brooklyn Technical High School are heavy on math ability. What is biased about a math test, and how does one judge math ability unless one tests for it? I took many math tests in high school and college and have never detected bias of any kind in any of them.

      • benvad

        Or for the fact that we give into them constantly.

      • Moooochelle

        What is biased about a math test…

        What is 8 x 5?
        It’s 40 if you’re white or asian,
        40-ish if you’re hispanic,
        and “shut up white b**ch” if you’re black.

    • Since the NAACP is whining about the admissions process, it must be OK. The NAACP is a reliable negative indicator of just about everything.

      • LIBERTYSINCURSION

        You certainly got that right. Rest assured America, that doing the exact opposite of what the NAACP wants. Is always the best and most fruitful direction in which to move. ALWAYS!

      • JohnEngelman

        When the civil rights legislation was signed the NAACP no longer had a reason to exist. It should have declared victory, and gone home.

  • Samuel_Morton

    It is infuriating being a race realist, and watching otherwise intelligent people tie themselves into knots looking for more and more hidden and obscure ways to explain differences in racial achievement. You just want to grab them by the collar and tell them that different groups have different abilities.

    The cult of egalitarianism is utterly destroying Western civilization. Will enough people wake up to reality before it crumbles to dust?

    • Xerxes22

      Egalitarianism is supposed to be based on merit, not on what group you belong to. This is the direct opposite. These elite schools offer working class kids one of the few ways to move up the economic ladder and the elites want to take that away from them because they don’t belong to the right group. If our elites want to help their pets then let them open separate schools for their pets with no admission tests or standards. That way, they can pretend that their pets are equal without endangering opportunities for the non-protected groups.

      • Samuel_Morton

        This would be a fun experiment:

        1) Take the same faculty from an elite school with impeccable scores, and move them all to a new school with nothing but blacks and Mexicans. Liberals can delight in achieving 100 percent diversity at a school with the best faculty.

        2) Then move the faculty from an inner city ghetto school with mostly black students to the elite school with white and Asian students.

        3) Watch the PC crowd’s heads explode when they try explaining how blacks still can’t achieve with proven faculty while whites and Asians do just fine with poor teachers.

      • LIBERTYSINCURSION

        It’s a little beyond simply being “non-protected” my friend. We are hated, despised and blamed for every and anything that has any form of a negative impact on those who are of the protected. Even though the vast majority of it is entirely self generated negativity. The target is firmly painted upon our backs. Just look at the tech company fiasco recently where Yahoo had under represented Whites, blacks and Hispanics. < which is a stupid and illegitimate thing to worry about anyways, but we'll save that for another day. ) With a massive over representation of some 6x or so of Asians. Who was the target for all the hate and calls for the thinning of their numbers, the vastly over represented Asians? Of course not, it was as usual the under represented Whites. We are not just seen as "non-protected" we are seen as the hated target!

  • sbuffalonative

    “You pass the test, you get the highest score, you get into the
    school–no matter what your ethnicity, no matter what your economic
    background is,” Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said in 2012. But this year,
    only 5 percent of seats at those eight schools were offered to black
    students and 7 percent to Latinos, in a city where the public schools
    are 70 percent black and Latino.

    Which PROVES blacks and Latinos can’t ahhhh, how to put this, make the grade.

    But let’s pretend otherwise!

    • UncleSham

      It is truly amazing the level of brainwashing it must take to deny such an obvious reality. Leftism is a religion that doesn’t even know its a religion. How do you defeat that? You can’t use logic or reasoning; these people think that their religion is based on science. Most people are saying that violence and intimidation are not the answer. Then what is? I would really like to know.

  • D.B. Cooper

    If you send your kids to the elite schools, and you are too weak to fight forced integration, then you deserve to have your kids go to school with diversity. They will keep attacking, and attacking until you finally decide to go on offense. You have become weak, white boy. Perhaps it is time for you to put up, or shut up and take it.

    • ElComadreja

      White flight has been the ruination of America. If whites had stayed and fought for what they built instead we wouldn’t be in this terrible position now.

  • Dave West

    I hope De Blasio is the start of a long line of libtard, “social justice” mayors of NYC who eventually turn the city into Detroit; in fact, De Blasio just might accomplish this after his first term at the rate he’s going. It would serve the progressives right and maybe even create some race realists in the process. It may sound harsh, but in a way I like when libs are victims of their own stupidity.

    • gacl

      Cheer for success, don’t wallow in failure and frustration.

  • JackKrak

    The kids take a test and still places are “offered” to them, as if the schools just went through the motions of maintaining the pretense of academic standards when what they really wanted to do all along was just pick out the good looking ones and “offer” them a place.

    • Kenner

      Exactly, that word leapt out at me, too. He keeps his copy of ‘Strunk, White [& Alinsky]’ close at hand.

  • connorhus

    If I remember right there was also a question as to how they spread the social/economic tier breakdown. Basically they figured if one tier was larger overall it then got more seats which only competed against others from that tier.

    In other words the admission process was rigged from the start and not based on ability after the first 30% was allocated.

  • They’re going to have to take a hard look at the curriculum too, adding ebonics courses for the brilliant blacks who haven’t mastered “white” English, and more Spanish classes for the Puerto Rican geniouses who can’t speak English at all. Plus, grading policies will have to be reconfigured. From here on, a 50 or above on a exam is an A. Geniuses deserve A’s, right?

    • ElComadreja

      Even many “Hispanics” born here speak only Spanish or heavily accented English.

  • willbest

    “At Walter Payton, 21 percent of students are black and 25 percent are Latino. Some critics worry that these numbers are still inadequate in a public school system where 41 percent of students are black and 45 percent Latino.”

    The City of Chicago is actually 30% white but only 10% of the public school students are white. If your child doesn’t get into one of these magnet schools, you suffer the private school tax or move to the suburbs.

    • alwaysright21

      walter payton had aids and they covered it up. I knew a waitress at his old restaurant “34’s”

      • MikeofAges

        Sclerosing cholangitis. A type of liver cancer call cholangiocarcinoma is a frequent consequence of the disease, and what he was reported as dying of. Could be he had and dies of AIDS, but consider the level of medical knowledge the source probably had. Dying young of a strange disease is a possible consequence of PED use. That is a possibility too, not to be overlooked. So is plain old bad luck.

    • saxonsun

      Notice that the idea of the “majority rules” is okay when applied to them but not whites?

  • MekongDelta69

    This came up once before on AmRen.

    I went to Stuyvesant when it meant something (i.e. In the Paleolithic Era). You took one test-one time and if you passed, you got your choice of Stuy., Bronx Science or Brooklyn Tech. (Btw, Stuy. and Bklyn. Tech. were all boys’ schools at the time).

    I still have my Indicator (Yearbook) and while there were a few blacks, browns and yellows, the vast majority were White. The BIG difference back then was this was before the ‘Great American Maoist-Leninist Cultural Revolution And Awakening’ shoved down America’s throats. There was no bleating about ‘equality’ and all the rest of it.
    It was just like when I was with who I was with in the Service…

    There was only ONE criterion for both:
    If you passed – you made it.
    If you failed – you didn’t.

    Second Place = First Loser.

    • Tarczan

      The physicists Brian Greene and Lisa Randall went to Stuy and attended some of the same classes. That must of been one hell of a high school physics class.

      I’m sure with D’Shitavious and L’Quanshekia the same will be true.

      • MekongDelta69

        The D’Shitavious-L’Quanshekia Theorem of Non-Theoretical Quantum Gangbanging.

        Kinda brings a tear to your eye – doesn’t it?!

        • Kenner

          Just the tattoo.

    • ElComadreja

      By the time I graduated high school in 1966 the vast majority of blacks had dropped out, been thrown out, gone to jail or gotten pregnant. We had plenty of them here but only about three in my graduating class.

  • RHG

    Not only do the admissions standards have to be dropped to accomodate blacks and hispanics, but then the next step is to dumb down the curriculum in order for them to get passing grades.

    • ElComadreja

      This has already been done in the “education” system at large so it’s only a matter of time.

  • IKUredux

    No. What is raised is the fairness of DNA. Blacks and Hispanics didn’t get into these schools because they are too stupid to do so. Simple. Now, these people in charge want to twist the requirements into a meaningless pretzel. This is beyond annoying! Why don’t they just come right out and say: “Hey, Whitey! Screw you! We are going to put our dumb ass brown and black kids into all the premier high schools. We are then going to promote them with scholarships and grants to go to Harvard and other “premier” colleges. Then, we are going to give them the jobs, that they are NOT qualified for, pay them extraordinary amounts of money, but have really smart White guys in the wings who make half the money, but who do all the heavy lifting. What a deal for we Whites! In South Africa , we would count that as a win for White people. ARE YOU F’ING KIDDING ME? Look at South Africa, and behold your future!

  • [Guest]

    >>>When the number of black and Latino students admitted to a public school is a tiny fraction of their share of the general population, it raises red flags about the fairness of the admissions system.

    >>>—Richard D. Kahlenberg, New York Times

    No, it doesn’t, you liars.

    • Texan1st

      Someone named “Kahlenberg” said that? Why am I not surprised?

      • LIBERTYSINCURSION

        I know. Remember when the Kahlenberg’s in Israel said that about the nearly retarded African immigrants they’ve been rounding up and deporting over there. No. Me neither.

  • alwaysright21

    what a fool, I mean tool

  • MBlanc46

    Unequal, because with respect to intelligence, blacks and Hispanics aren’t the equals of whites. I wonder whether these same folks will be pushing for diversity on the basketball and football teams.

    • expitch

      These folks will claim that skill in football and basketball can be measured objectively but yell “bias” when objective tests are used to measure academic ability. Like math tests mainly. But as I have been involved in the construction of literacy tests, they are so over-vetted for bias as to end up, effectively, objective. For example, tests of English sentence structure are based on what demonstrably exists. Nor are these based of fuzzy notions of correctness. They are based upon what is called Edited American usage.

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    Don’t they always say that our diversity is our greatest strength? It gives us the best and brightest minds this nation can produce, right? It’s strange how diversity always seems to achieve the exact opposite from what they slogans preach. Diversity is constant conflict! Diversity is a lessening of standards! Diversity, is one big massive national downgrade in every way! A downgrade that only the thoroughly dumb, or the thoroughly brainwashed self hating suicidal liberal lemming could ever celebrate in any way!

    • ElComadreja

      Diversity is, in fact, our greatest weakness.

  • jayvbellis

    Private boarding schools in Indiana.

  • Valmont

    Correct me if I’m wrong here, but if you lower the standards of elite schools, they won’t be elite schools anymore.

  • Rusty Shackelford

    Anybody surprised? Our educational system in most other parts of the country has already been dismantled to make blacks and Hispanics feel better about themselves. Let the children of the liberals in NYC enjoy the blessings of diversity.

    • ElComadreja

      It’s only fair to let them enjoy the benefits of the multicultural hell their parents have created.

  • Mrfinoni

    its called commuting… or parochial schools. 25% + 25% = 50% non-white, which is way to many minorities even if they are bright. even with so called bright coloureds your kid still might get killed for making a simple joke or your daughter constantly harassed or raped because she is white. diversity is anti diversity for whites.

  • TunaFist

    “When the number of black and Latino students admitted to a public school is a tiny fraction of their share of the general population, it raises red flags about the fairness of the admissions system.”

    Nonsense, the disparity actually confirms the fairness of the system. It’s when a supposedly merit based institution has proportional amounts of blacks, hispanics, whites and asians, that you can be certain something fishy is going on.

  • scutum

    “Five years ago I worked with Chicago public school officials to create a program for their selective and magnet schools.” This is a model we want to emulate?

  • Alucard_the_last

    A classic case is that a Best Buy commercial that uses a false word “bestest”. This is clearly a way to dumb people down to the level of a negro and make it pc (if you protest, then you be racist). They want the negro “dolla” so they use bad English to get it. What next, broken English.

    • MikeofAges

      The worst is use of the word “notoriety” to mean noteworthiness. A total malapropism.You do not want to achieve notoriety. Trust me.

  • Perhaps no whites or northeast Asians should ever be admitted to existing universities. Let the Afritards and greaseritos play with crayons there. I don’t care.

  • PvtCharlieSlate

    In my neck of the woods I can be much better armed than in yours.

  • Ellis Kurtz

    If there was ever a slippery slope, AA is it.