How Asian American ‘Tiger Mothers’ Motivate Their Children

Medical Xpress, May 16, 2014

An article titled “Why Chinese Mothers Are Superior,” published in The Wall Street Journal in 2011, has continued to provoke a cultural debate among parents after self-proclaimed ‘tiger mother’ Amy Chua asserted that Asian American parenting methods produce more successful children. Researchers at Stanford University delved deeper into Chua’s ‘tiger mother’ approach, and their research sheds light on key fundamental differences in parenting methods between Asian Americans and European Americans.

To reveal the cultural differences in parenting, the researchers compare how Asian American and European American high school students describe their relationship with their mothers, and how pressure by their mothers influences their relationship. They also examine whether mothers help to motivate their children during a challenging academic task. The study is published in the journal Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin (PSPB).

Lead researcher Alyssa Fu explains that their study focuses on maternal relationships because in Asian American families “mothers tend to be more directly involved in their children’s academic achievement.” According to Fu, “Asian American parents encourage their children to see themselves as part of an enduring relationship with them.” In other words, Asian American children are encouraged to be interdependent.

European American children, on the other hand, are encouraged to be independent. Parents encourage their children to see themselves as separate individuals from them and to explore their unique thoughts and experiences. This key difference between Asian American and European American parenting models has a direct effect on the ability of mothers to motivate their child in an academic setting.

Fu and Markus designed four studies to investigate these differences. In the first study, students answered open ended questions about their mothers. Asian American children were more likely to mention their mother’s relationship with them (e.g. she pushes me to succeed), while European American children were more likely to describe their mothers as a separate person from them; they focused on her attributes and her appearance (e.g., she has blue eyes and likes to read). Both groups of children were likely to describe their mothers positively, and as a source of support.

In the second study, students were asked to rate how connected they felt with their mothers, and how much they experienced pressure from their mothers. As predicted, Asian American students experience greater interdependence with their mothers. They also experience greater pressure by their mothers, but did not report feeling any less supported by their mothers because of that pressure. {snip}

European American children report that they experience pressure from their mothers as negative, and the more pressure they feel the less they feel supported by their mothers. European American children are also more likely to feel their mothers don’t understand them. As a reaction to that perceived pressure, European American children are then more likely to assert their independence. In the third and fourth studies, students were presented with a challenging academic task designed to induce a failure experience. When thinking about their mothers, Asian American children were more motivated to complete the task after experiencing failure than European American children. European American children were more motivated when prompted to think about themselves.

Notably, Asian American children were not only motivated by thinking about their mothers, but they can also be motivated when they remember a time when their mothers put pressure on them–when she nagged them. {snip}

Together the four studies underscore fundamental differences in parenting methods across cultures. ‘Tiger mothers’ are motivating for Asian American children because interdependence allows their children to draw on their connectedness with their mother to maintain their motivation on a difficult task. European American children, on the other hand, see themselves as independent from their mothers, and are not motivated by their mother’s pressure. In European American contexts, overcoming failure is a personal project not a group project.

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  • Pelagian

    “Researchers examine the differences between Asian and European mothers”

    What European mothers? They are all in the workplace. Their influence on their kids is close to nil. They would be better off comparing Asian Tiger mothers to the themes of the Disney Channel.

    • borogirl54

      The Asian Tiger Mother works as well. Amy Chua is a professor at Yale Law School.

      • Ella

        They have nannies too so don’t kid yourself.

      • Young Werther

        The Asian schools provide structure and education (America’s schools no longer do that. ), and when the mother does return home after work she provides the needed structure and discipline there, so does the father. (The American Home no longer functions like that…it once did, but not now.)

        • Anonymous

          Well, yeah, considering that the White divorce rate hovers around 50% and the White illegitimacy rate is around 30% its no wonder that many White kids don’t have a dad in the home. People need to stop blaming everything on minorities. Minorities did not cause White men to abandon their pregnant girlfriends, or for White married folks to commit adultery, or for White women to divorce their husbands out of unhappiness.

          • me

            Women’s “Liberation”, another ‘social experiment’ we can thank the globalists for. Why let the slavery and taxation of half the population go to waste, when the female is just as capable of being tax slaves in the globalist plutocracy? Who needs family unity, which only hinders the goals of the New World Order?

          • Young Werther

            The culture change is not the result of the Asian lifestyle being forced down the throats of American society…

          • Young Werther

            yeah i posted a reply …

      • Bob

        The Chinese I’ve talked to said Chua is a fraud and the Chinese don’t abuse their children the way this loon did.

        • Berkeley Guy

          My friend, a girl from Nanjing, was pushed harder than Chua pushed either of her daughters. From what I have heard on both sides, it may depend on the family.

          • Bob

            This type of brutality might work on ant-like Asians but it wont work on whites. It won’t work on anyone with white in them. Just take a look at the half-white, half-Asian porn star Asia Carrera. She was brutalized as a child and was essentially insane for a long time. There is nothing we can learn from these people. We are better than they are, which is why white men have invented/discovered about 98% of everything in the world.

          • Berkeley Guy

            Please be careful. Blanket statements like this may turn off visitors to this site. Just my opinion.

            Whenever I feel joy about western culture I am careful to note that what I enjoy is for the most part a set of subjective statements about the positive aspects of our culture. I understand your underlying sentiments, and there is a lot to be said of European inventiveness, but to boast is a wasteful habit.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Why should we be “subjective” when admiring our race? Or why should we claim our boasting is “subjective”? There is nothing unfactual about what Bob said. I think we should be shouting it from the hilltops. We don’t do it enough. That is part of the problem.

            When it comes to deterring visitors to the site, I am more concerned about blanket statements about white women, or North vs. South divisive statements, or statements about how Italians and Greeks aren’t white etc….. I am concerned about statements like that that either offend certain groups of whites and/or show our enemies that we are divided among ourselves.

            I could care less about factual boastings about how we are truthfully superior to other races in certain areas. As I said, we need to be doing it more.

          • Berkeley Guy

            Maybe shouting from a hilltop is a waste of time. I just cannot see the benefit. Intelligent people do not shout about or boast about their accomplishments since it attracts attention and possible competitors. Boasting also gives away information for free. So many things are wrong with boasting that I shudder to think of making a list of why not to boast.

            There is no objective feature of the world that shows that we Europeans are superior. Our preference for our culture is widely held amogst us. But this is changing due to cultural influences, pop culture, junk journalism, and junk foods. While my fellow whites shout from the hilltop how superior they are, I’ll be reading research on fatty acids and herbs and phytonutrients so that I nourish my family and myself; I’ll be working math, physics and chemistry problems; I’ll be reading philosophy; I’ll be reflecting on how to continuously improve my emotional reactions to perceived threats so that I am not manipulated; I’ll be exercising major muscle groups for health rather than straining my voicebox.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Actually, there was a speaker at American Renaissance one year who proved how it is possible to measure the superiority of a race. I don’t mean superior in God’s eyes. That isn’t my place and that would be very hateful. I mean superior when measuring certain criteria. When comparing inventions, the white race is superior, and that was the criteria Bob used above.

          • Within the white race, Scots are the best at invention, but notoriously poor at cooking. I may be the exception in the latter case, but I was trained as a laboratory chemist.

            I completely understand that whites and northeast Asians are superior to African blacks in every respect. I’m 3/16 Injun and have 79 US and foreign patents awarded. The Barium-Strontium Titanate integrated capacitor in your mobile phone was my work.

          • Brutus

            In Scotland, you can find deep fried haggis. Scots are brilliant cooks. 🙂

          • Brutus

            We are all created in God’s image, but that doesn’t mean that we are equal in other regards, such as the kinds of societies we create, or that heredity doesn’t figure in that. “But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever” (1 Tim. 5:8).

          • If God created me in His own image, He must have had a Miserable Hangover that morning.

          • gemjunior

            “There is no objective feature of the world that shows that we Europeans are superior.”
            The objective feature of the world is the appropriation of Western inventions all over the world from household appliances to adoption of cultural norms. We have had egalitarianism and equality battered into us for so long and it sounds terrible to most ears to say “Europeans are superior.” But the fact is that the countries most of the world are trying to pack themselves into are European countries, filled with the ways and creations of Europeans. They claim to have pride in their countries (especially the Hispanics) but will leave them without a backward glance for everything European (I include the Anglosphere when I’m talking about European things because various people from Europe have long been part of the Anglosphere). It is always mannerly not to boast and brag. But to clearly state the truth, which is that almost everything, at any time, that came out of Europe was more desirable to the rest of the world than seemingly anything else. So why is it so wrong to actually say it out loud – that from a purely objective standpoint, without any subjective or personal feeling on the matter at all, Europeans have produced more useful materials innovatively, rapidly, progressively.

          • Berkeley Guy

            I understand you. But think for a moment about the bitterness you engender, the envy, the theft of intellectual property.

            For the way I want to live, I believe that western culture suits me best. Probably because I am mostly Anglo Saxon with some French and Northeast Italian and probably some Celtic. Maybe it would be great if people the world over thought that we were inferior and left us alone, and then why would they want to pack up and leave for our countries? If the Swedes didn’t proclaim to be so altruistic and so open and loving of all, then would they have the problems with integration that they have now? If England didn’t boast that it had one of the highest standards of living, had such a wonderful history of invention and innovation, then would people be packing themselves into various transportation vehicles to gain entry to that land by hook or crook? Weigh the benefits of boasting–or even of claiming the bald truth–to people around world and then tell me if it is such a good idea.

            I stand by my assertion that there is no feature of this world that shows us Europeans to be superior. I’m waiting until we close the gap in differential fertility rates, until we are expanding as a people to think that our people are prospering once again. Until that happens, even the opinions that we are better are wasteful.

          • JSS

            “I stand by my assertion that there is no feature of this world that shows us Europeans to be superior”.

            I agree. Africa and Asia have contributed just as much intellectually and technologically as the White world. We have boatloads of Whites trying to get to Africa and Asia proving that their society’s are just as desirable as ours. Your right that White people boast to much. We can’t go anywhere without seeing some politician, celebrity, or professor talking about how great White people and White culture are.

            Really what parallel universe are you posting from?

          • We actually have a lot of new visitors to this site, which has me delighted.

    • AutomaticSlim

      “They would be better off comparing Asian Tiger mothers to the themes of the Disney Channel.”

      Or to the black and mestizo women I see pushing White babies around in expensive neighborhoods in Manhattan. And the White “career women” who give their babies over to black and brown hired help are usually married to men who can support them 10 times over. They just don’t want to stay home and take care of their own kid(s). Very sad.

      • Ella

        I play with the White children who have nannies at parks and play places as they play with my White children. It is so ridiculous at times. Some of these ladies are not nannies but mothers of bi-racial children. I never ask questions anymore out of confusion and disgust.

        • Diversity Fatigue

          The brown hybrid child seems to be in vogue with many white women. It’s the latest fashion accessory.

          • Young Werther

            Actually, that appears to be the truth.

          • Kathy M

            I was in the mall yesterday and saw a blonde woman breast feeding her mulatto spawn. It made my skin crawl.

          • Magician

            The child’s biological dad could be one of the following

            – Already dumped his own biologicial child’s mother for another woman
            – Already behind bars
            – Both of the above

          • Garrett Brown

            eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwww

          • Brutus

            One time at a bus station, I saw a pretty blonde woman with two mulatto children and no man. I think she was going back to her parents, wherever they were. It made me sad, because she had thrown away her life for an egalitarian lie.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        Yes, but I highly doubt these women are doing all this completely independent of the consent of their husbands. It is usually a family decision. It is a problem with our race overall right now.

        • AutomaticSlim

          “but I highly doubt these women are doing all this completely independent of the consent of their husbands”

          I agree the husbands consent to it, but I believe most of them would prefer their wives to stay home and take care of the kids. They are simply afraid to stand up to them and tell them so. I live in the suburbs and over the years it is becoming more and more common to see FATHERS on the train hauling their babies and toddlers to daycare before going to work. It is embarrassing to watch. Not only are their wives working, but they rely on the male to drag the kid to the daycare center before work. I don’t know why they put up with this. Are these men so desperate to be married that they put up with all kinds of ridiculous feminist BS? I would rather be alone for the rest of my life.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            And there, my friend, is part of the problem. Assuming that gender roles are as messed up in our race as people on here claim they are (I am from the South and don’t see it as much), then we have to recognize this disease in both genders, not just one. If too many women are acting like men, then that has to mean that a similar percentage of men are acting like women and not standing up to them.

            I blame our government for making things unfair for white men more than anything else. But I don’t think it is accurate to talk about white women like they are their own separate monolith of people, being held accountable for every evil thing they do, and lacking any influence whatsoever from society, government, media, and white men. The problem is more intricate than that.

          • JSS

            “I am sure a lot of white women would like to stay home with their kids too, but they work because both they and their husbands feel like they have to”.

            That is a very specific feature of modern Amurrika in regards to Whites, not a bug. The fruits of our labor ensure diversity have kids to spare, not us.

            “If too many women are acting like men, then that has to mean that a similar percentage of men are acting like women and not standing up to them”.

            If White men would act like men not only would we have our women back would have our countries back as well.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            JSS, nice to hear from you. I wish I had seen you involved in these discussions more often in the past.

          • JSS

            Seeing as how the official discussion on this article is about how asians raise their kids it’s not like it’s anything relevant to our peoples long term survival. I know what you mean though, the neutering of the White male and fake “empowerment” of the White female has done incalculable damage to our race. When men abdicate their role as leaders naturally women will walk all over them. I understand why so many White men today seem to disdain Women. On the surface it does seem like the overwhelming majority of young White women have very few redeeming qualities outside of sex objects. But the bottom line is women regardless of their social programming more often then not will respond to perceived strength. If White men rediscover their ba!!s are for more then internet porn and start acting like Vikings, Spartans, and legionnaires again then our women will follow us. We can’t wait for White women to just start liking and respecting us again. Men have to make that happen. It’s mens role to be in the lead and shape events.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Good points, JSS. I am just tired of the constant negativity on this website. It seems that no matter what the topic of the article, the commenters underneath always see it as an opportunity to bash other whites. Our media already does that enough as it is.

            When I read this article, it made me think about what makes whites different from Asians, and in many ways that are good…….NOT all the supposed shortcomings of white women.

          • I believe that to some extent negativity is unavoidable on a site like this one, because we are complaining about the current state of affairs in Western civilization. That said, we are not self-destructive about this, at least not particularly so. I am still sorry that Mr. Spartacus was banished, because being continuously engaged with level-headed thinkers would probably have been good for him. It certainly would not have hurt.

            We’re the normal ones. We only sleep with our own spouses. We dress like regular people. I am wearing green jeans and a blue denim work shirt and smell like pine sawdust. I have been rebuilding a 105mm tank cannon ammo crate as a subcompartmented toolbox for fly-tying materials. I’ll take a shower before bed.

            We are the ones who pay our bills on time. Sayaka and I do not receive utility, telephone or HOA bills: we have these automatically debited. We receive monthly statements that we deduct from the balance here. Nothing can possibly be late that way.

            People like us are accused of possessing some magical “white privilege”, but we are the normal ones.

          • Pelagian

            Bishop Willliamson used to say, “If men lead, women will follow”, “If the Church is strong, the Jews are weak”, “If whites lead, blacks will follow”. But once you stop providing real leadership, everything goes to pot. Which I took to be the Bishop’s way of saying, “we dont have a race problem, we have a God problem”.

            My immediate, , “top of mind” example. Just before my lifetime, there was the Playboy magazine of the 1950s. It was great! Beautiful curvy, naked women lounging in negligees on couches. *Everybody* wants to see that. Me, most of all.
            But women were not going to take it, not for a minute. And why should they? Voilà 60s Feminism.

            (But, as a review in the April Culture Wars of Victoria Woodhull’s Sexual Revolution shows, polyamory among upper class “Gentlemen” was prevalent even in the 19th century.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            So, in your first paragraph there, are you agreeing with JSS and I?

            As for the Playboy example, I don’t get that either. The feminist movement was wrong to demand equal and/or better treatment for women compared to men. It was wrong to tell women that they don’t need men. I can go into so many things wrong with it. But speaking out against Playboy, in my opinion, would have been the one productive and proper thing to do. But it wouldn’t have been necessary for feminists to do it. The church and family groups could have done it (and they do, and should).

          • captainc

            Then how do you propose to solve the outbreak of atheism epidemics among whites?

          • JSS

            To the moderator

            Can we use “reproductive organ” instead of courage? Courage just doesn’t work as an editing word in that sentence.

          • AutomaticSlim

            “If White men would act like men not only would we have our women back would have our countries back as well.”

            Depends on what you mean by “acting like men”.
            Do you mean being intelligent, hard working, and getting an meaningful education so you will always be employed in a 6 figure income job? Do you mean getting up at 5:30 AM and going to work everyday, no matter how aggravated you get from the BS you have to take from your commute and sometimes on the job? Do you mean always trying to be a gentlemen, even when the rest of the world seems to act like obnoxious jerks? Do you mean being honest and truthful and trying to do the right thing?

            There may be White women around who want to be with decent men, but the simple truth is that the younger, prettier ones go with the loud, obnoxious, aggressive jerks. I won’t speak for other places, but where I live, that seems to be the norm. And for the women who do marry “nice guys”, they seem to do it to take advantage of them. Like the sappy husbands I see on the train who drag their kids to daycare.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            I think the problem is far more complex than how you are viewing it, Automatic Slim. What we are doing here is examining the roots of the problems to our current cultural demise. These problems are inherent in whites it seems. We are the most compassionate race that has ever existed. We are the only race that cares about human rights or even animal rights. Let’s examine those innate characteristics about our people, that has led us to where we are at, before we start blaming only women for the results of all of this.

          • JSS

            Those loud obnoxious jerks that young pretty White women can’t get enough of often don’t make 6 figures. Those are just the ones they sleep around with until they realize they are middle aged and childless. Those loud obnoxious guys are just doing what they need to do to get laid because being a normal, humble responsible White guy is not going to get a young girls attention anymore. Our whole culture is utterly geared towards extended adolescence for males and false “empowerment” that consist of sleeping around and pursing a career that leaves no room for children with White females. Thats all by design as Im sure you know.

            When I say acting like a man I mean treating your women like a women. That means you don’t bow to her whims just to keep her. You don’t live to please her, she isn’t the first thing in your life. If you make her the center you lose her, thats her nature. She want’s someone to follow. Women like “bad boy’s” and rebels, there is nothing more rebellious these days then an unapologetic strong White male. Those men who lose their wives in marriage are often effeminate White beta liberals who let their wives walk all over them.

          • AutomaticSlim

            “Those loud obnoxious guys are just doing what they need to do…”

            If you are suggesting they are just putting on an act I disagree. I think being jerks comes natural to them. It is simply what they are.

            In a separate comment I see you mentioned two highly educated and accomplished gentlemen, George Washington and Robert E. Lee. Were they “bad boys”? When I hear “bad boys”, the picture that comes to mind are loud, obnoxious, tattooed low lives like Jeremy Shockey, Kid Rock and Eminem.

            But I do agree with you on the fact that Hollywood is intent on feminizing White males, especially middle class White males. Commercials, TV, and film use them as the laughing stock these days. The perfect example is the character of the dentist from the “Hangover” movies. He is the now the”everyman” for White male characterization in the media.

          • JSS

            What I mean is that in our modern culture loud obnoxious jerks get more young naive girls to go home with for the night at the club and bar. Thats just the reality of modern Amurrika. Behavior that used to get you beat up gets you laid now.

            For their time period Lee and Washington were literally rebels. Being a rebel or bad boy doesn’t mean being an illiterate and a moron. There is nothing rebellious about eminem or Kid rock. Thats pre packaged fake rebellion. They are the public face of the system thats killing us. Nationalism is what’s actually dangerous and rebellious now.

          • Sick of it

            Thomas J. “Stonewall” Jackson was probably the most conservative rebel to have ever lived. Women fawned over him continually.

          • captainc

            This is pretty hard subject, what do women want? Perhaps, they don’t know themselves and need the men to show them and lead them the interesting life. And, at the end, these pretty young ones, do you really want them with their bad behaviors? Maybe you can train them to fit yours.

          • CarolinaGem

            I totally agree. Unfortunately, it is in a woman’s nature to lord over her husband. It is the man’s job to rule over the household. Not with an iron fist, but respectfully and with love towards his wife and children, and doing the best he can for the family.

          • JSS

            I don’t think it’s so much that women want to lord it over their husband as it is they want to be reassured by testing you. If a man gives in to incessant nagging your failing her test. I think women reassure themselves by playing their occasional mind games. They are looking for the man to be the stable rock that not even her mood swings and nature can move. The way I learned this was by my own wife telling me to just ignore her more often.

          • Spikeygrrl

            White women with half a brain also want a man who doesn’t litter his written communication with incorrect and irrelevant apostrophes. Just sayin’.

          • JSS

            Thanks, Will”keep that in min,d.

          • CarolinaGem

            Men could start by being the leaders of their households. Put down the remote and LEAD. Get involved in raising your children by teaching them what real men do. Rather than leading the family financially, spiritually, morally and ensuring the success of the family as a whole, many, if not most men, have abdicated their responsibility. Children are seeing their dads, if they are even involved in their
            lives, sit back and obsess over sports, cars, boats, and the latest electronics,
            meanwhile their sons have no one to teach them to be the protector of
            the home and more importantly, the leader of the family. I’d rather have a husband with a 5 figure salary who is a Christian with moral values who will spend time with and teach their children than one with a six figure salary who refers to himself as “dad” but is never really around except to provide a paycheck.

            As far as young women preferring loud, obnoxious jerks, I suppose they get what they deserve. You have to ask yourself why they would be drawn to that type of person? Either they are obnoxious themselves or in a misguided attempt to find a strong protector, a take no nonsense kind of man, rather than milquetoast, they find the worse kind of men to be around, the abusive, vulgar, mean spirited loudmouth. I personally believe there will be a lot, and I mean a lot, of very depressed and desperate middle aged women in the next 20-30 years when they are stuck with their mulatto offspring in sect 8 housing, lamenting why they ever got involved with their “P Diddy” or Emimem wanna be.

          • Sick of it

            Women are attracted to aggressive men. Most aggressive men don’t know how to control their aggression, including the use of violence.

          • Pelagian

            “I am sure a lot of white women would like to stay home with their kids too, but they work because both they and their husbands feel like they have to.”

            I would not be so sure. Most women who are presently at the age of making the decision (20s and 30s), their mothers all worked, there has not been a stay-at-home mom on TV since, what?, June Cleaver in the early 1960s… So there is absolutely no examples or role models It would take a lightning bolt from heaven to get into these womens’ heads the idea that they should not work, (and instead do what by nature they were designed to do).

            [Also If I may, please do not use the word “Gender”. In its proper meaning it is only a linguistic term having to do with nouns etc. it is being imported into biology/psychology for propagandistic reasons to help support queerdom)].

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Pelagian, once again though, you are speaking of brainwashing going on at the societal level. I see this brainwashing impacting white men too. I find it very hard to believe that the husbands in these households are simply victims to their wives’ rage in regards to the attitude that she WILL work, and not raise the kids.

            When people imply stuff like this on here, that the root of the problem is only in white women and nothing else, it seriously makes us look weak to our enemies who read this site. The root of the problem is in many things, and both white men and women are victims of it to different degrees.

          • Pelagian

            Control

            find it very hard to believe that the husbands in these households are simply victims to their wives’ rage in regards to … ”

            We are victims of our wives’ rage on a LOT of things. 🙂 That is pretty much “what we do”, all day every day. But the Bible says “Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himself up for it.” So we put up with it, in the name of loving our wives. The man who does not love his wife, will find himself divorced very quickly, anyway.

            Women tend to rage because of hormones. But I highly suspect that women are raging a lot more now post feminism than they did in our grandfathers age.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            The Bible also says that the man is supposed to be the leader of the household. I hold white women at fault for many things, trust me. But it makes us look very weak on here, with these constant postings only putting the blame on women without examining many other factors.

          • A family requires teamwork.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Michael, I always like your input on this topic as well. I would like to elaborate your comment further. ……our entire race needs teamwork.

          • I have deliberately refrained from weighing in on this topic for reasons that should be obvious by now. That said, smart people should have more children than they currently do.

          • PesachPatriot

            The Bible was written over 3 thousand years ago in a small desert country two continents away from the modern day USA….its a fascinating work of literature but I personally don’t think it has all the answers for a 21st century technological society…..There is one part of the Old Testament that says kids who disrespect their parents should be executed…..I’m glad my mom and dad didn’t take that verse literally when I mouthed off to them as a teenager and I don’t plan on breaking out an axe if my daughter gives me some mouth in about 14 years….

          • CarolinaGem

            Without starting a theological discourse, there is also a New Testament section of The Bible which instituted a
            new covenant. Just as laws regarding tassels on garments and food restrictions no longer apply (ceremonial laws), harsh Levitical statutes on punishment, such as stoning adulterers and wayward children (civil laws), were done away with Christ. If you are going to reference “The Bible”, please consider it as a whole.

          • Sick of it

            Christ fulfilled the Law, He did not do away with it. We know sin through the Law.

          • JSS

            I usually enjoy your posts, especially when your skewering our resident asian worshipers. As a 31 year old White male I totally understand why so many of us have become alienated and hostile to our women. We see what they have become and blame them for it alone. But Women have always been natural followers. If a man acts like a man a woman will naturally be his lady. General Patton, Robert E Lee, and George Washington were driven men of purpose with ladies for wives. White men need to rediscover their purpose on earth and our women will follow.

          • captainc

            How do you get the interesting young attractive women to follow you while we are no generals and there is no war? Most of us who know how get it, we would try to become movie stars or jerks in order to get attentions that we are indeed leaders and center of attention.

          • Beetlejuice

            Our men have been neutered and emasculated through the media and schools.

            I just got done reading an article where White males worse skirts to school in France to prove “gender neutrality” and discrimination against women.

            We’ve got a media that present White males as either hapless dolts or violent racist, not husband or father material and blacks as wonderful husband material, kind, thoughtful, educated.

            We’ve got a university system and workplaces that openly discriminate against White males making sure they aren’t admitted to the finest universities and if/when they do graduate, they aren’t hired. Any job they get will be static, meaning no career advancement, that’s for non-Whites. This keeps White males from earning a living that can support a wife and children.

            Lately, there is also the glorification of homosexuality as if that is the best life choice for our White males.

            There’s a War on Whites, alright, but it is targeted at White males as a means to reduce their numbers and make them undesirable as fathers and life partners.

            This is the anti-White cultural narrative that must be broken.

          • JSS

            In my case your totally preaching to the choir Beetlejuice. Sense getting out of the army I have been through hell trying to find stable work. After two semesters of college I can only describe the class rooms as chambers of filth and horror for anything other then math.

            In my very little limited social life I can say I have never lost one female friend by expressing my views on race and politics. I have upset a few them at first but the end result is usually they find my casual disdain for diversity and PC to be amusing. In my Wifes case I basically turned her into a Nazi.

          • My wife was bent that way when I met her.

          • FR27

            I have known many women in their 20s and 30s that would like to stay at home, but feel they don’t have that option because they either have not found a husband or their husband does not make enough money. I have also known many men in that age group that express a desire for their women to work, apparently to bring in more money. I know of one man in that age group whose wife stays at home taking care of the kids, and he would like her to work.

            So I don’t think this is something that is just coming from the women.

          • convairXF92

            I have heard men say they will insist their wives have careers, because housewifery is something they associate with rural America and fundamentalist religion, and they want to appear rational and scientific.

          • I like Sayaka having a career because I can not.

          • Who Me?

            A lot of young whites, both male and female associate a “stay-at-home-mother” with a section 8 welfare breeder with 6 kids. They have been told all their lives that a “good” man works and provides for his family. That men and women are absolutely equal, so that means a good woman also works and provides for the family.
            Remember that old commercial where some woman sings, “I can bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, I can do everything…” How many young women have been taught that this is exactly what they are supposed to do?
            Add to that the message that nobody should ever “compromise” their dreams, (or presumably anything else…) Well, marriage is a series of compromises, a meeting halfway to provide security for the family, especially the children who are the ones who need it the most.

          • Sick of it

            I blame Rosie the Riveter…

          • Sick of it

            Most young women seem wholly uninterested in having more than 1 or 2 kids. Some don’t want ANY.

          • JSS

            Pelagian I totally get what you mean about White women today not having any idea what a traditional White family even looks like. Women are wired to be mothers and care takers, thats why we see so many bitter 40 something year old professional women who drank the modern worlds cool aid. The utter hedonistic depravity that we see White women engaging in these days is exactly what leads to them being childless “professionals” on the verge of menopause, or even worse having mulatto kids that were raised by their grand parents.

            Regardless of all that White men can’t just wait for their women to respect them again. Women are followers. Right now they are following where our disgusting culture leads them. It’s the mans job to lead, we have to do that again.

          • FR27

            There was Peggy Bundy in Married with Children, but that is not exactly a sterling role model.

          • My wife works because as a convicted federal felon, my career options are very limited. I write naval historical articles and work as a welder, machinist and auto mechanic out of the house. I’d rather be back in my old field as a chemical engineer in the microelectronics industry, but even Intel pulled out of Colorado Springs, and since I’ll never have a security clearance, defense contractors like Lockheed-Martin are right out.

          • Viv J

            Just chiming in with my own observations: most of the white men I know of want that second income because they want more STUFF. Many women would love to stay home with the kids, but they and their husbands are too caught up in their misguided priorities. They don’t work because of feminism; they work because they want a boat, a pool, a vacation house, fine furnishings, art.
            .
            Sometimes they quit work for a while to stay home with kids. It’s usually the husbands who are eager for them to go back to work, while the wife experienced stress and sadness over parting with her child. But hubby’s midlife-crisismobile won’t pay for itself, and two incomes are better than one.
            .
            Anyway, at least among the people in my circle, both the wife AND the husband are placing an overly high value on material things.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Right, Viv. You and I are being pretty reasonable on here by going into how this is a societal problem that has manifested itself in both men and women in different ways.

            The people on here who usually disagree with me, get irritated because I dare to NOT blame white women ONLY for everything wrong. To me that attitude, quite frankly, makes us look extremely weak on here.

            I don’t care which culture or race we are talking about….only blaming women when a civilization fails is a very weak argument that makes little sense.

          • Viv J

            The “blame women” mentality is the mark of a weak individual. I pay little mind to a bit of venting from time to time, but excessive bitterness is an off putting (and sometimes even unmanly) tendency. We live in a screwy society right now, and a level headed approach is needed.

            I enjoy reading your posts, by the way. I wish I had time to post more myself.

          • CarolinaGem

            I agree with you, Viv. I used to regularly visit this site, but the women bashing and the tendency for the posters to lump all women as feminazi shrews, grew tiresome. Granted, there are plenty of liberal white women who helped create this mess, but this bitterness and misogyny towards all women needs to stop. Not all of us have drunk the multi-culti, feminazi kool aid.

          • I wish Courtney would write more.

          • I once disagreed with you, long ago. It doesn’t cost me anything to say that I am sorry.

            I am sorry.

          • Beetlejuice

            It takes two incomes now to keep a family’s head above water and live in an area that is safe for Whites and their children. Every White I know is struggling financially to stay afloat in this anti-White culture. We certainly aren’t struggling because we want more useless “stuff.” I’d love to get a promotion which means more money but know I never will because in my business Whites aren’t promoted. I’d like to open a business but with regulations and business loans reserved for “people of color.” that is impossible.

            We’re struggling to put food on the table and gas in the car and pay down the hefty mortgage we must pay to live in areas that are safe for our children.

            Sure I could lower some of my expenses, turn in my 10 year old car and my spouse’s 15 -year old car for something less expensive and move to an area that is cheaper but far less safe with the schools full of blacks.

            I’d rather struggle and keep my children safe than have extra money to buy “stuff” and have my children in a marginal neighborhood and school.

          • Viv J

            Yeah. I posted in response to those who like to blame working women for society’s ills, pointing out that the materialism among both women and men in my community (and similar communities) is part of the problem. It was meant as an anecdotal observation about people who have options but choose the route that will result in the accumulation of more stuff. It was not meant as a personal insult to people in different situations. I always respect what my fellow whites are going through.

          • Anna Tree

            I think consumerism is really just one more dogma of the liberal leftist religion.

            Like I wrote elsewhere, consumerism is a slavery of the masses. The top elites selling their things, need slaves, a lot of slaves, always more slaves to buy their things, because they always want more money, not that they really need it, just for ego of numbers, a la Uncle Scrooge (Donald Duck’s uncle). And that means bringing immigrants because the whites started to prefer to spend their money to buy things over spending it on having kids, so the elites are importing more buyers.

            Consumerism brings many of the (white) inventors and engineers to create things that are on purpose breaking easily or made to work for a limited period of time, so not to keep for centuries/decades/years (depending on the things) like in the past, but are made to be thrown quickly (adding to the landfill), so buyers have to buy new stuff, over and over, filling the pockets of those elites, while emptying theirs.

            It is a pity also to put the work/energy/creativity/ingenuity of our race brains on not efficient things. On the contrary, our ancestors took pride that their creations would last… Even our doctors focus on drugs instead of on cures…

          • Sick of it

            I agree with your sentiments, but some men have to take care of the children while the women work today because the women have a decent paying job that the man cannot obtain (affirmative action is one reason). I speak with regards to a very intelligent friend of mine. You do what you gotta do.

          • Who Me?

            You add up the pro and cons and look at them logically. My White, female doctor has four children with her White husband. She is a doctor, thus a very highly paid individual. Her husband stays home with the four children, (two of whom are still preschool age) so she can work and bring home a large income, and they don’t have expensive day care and preschool fees. Some people would criticize, but it works for them, since she can earn far more and he can contribute by saving the family unit an immense amount of money.

          • gemjunior

            I believe that if a couple can afford a nanny every day or daycare, they can afford for the wife and mother to stay at home. Even if she makes enough to make working and paying nannies financially worth it, (most don’t make that much) it’s never really worth it. Whatever they can’t afford can be deferred or corners cut to keep mom at home. Only later in life can a mother really look back with satisfaction at having stayed home, or look back with regret at having not done so. Children grow up in the blink of an eye and how their lives go has a lot to do with whether or not their mother was at home during those few critical years.

          • I am a stay-at-home father, and I wouldn’t trade it for any salary.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Wow, what planet are YOU from?! Before finally crawling off the corporate hamster wheel I spent 20 years in the rarified world of Ivy-degreed, six figures each DINKs (Dual Income, No Kids). Perish the thought that birth control should fail; these husbands have ZERO interest in procreation. “Pregnant?! Wow, honey, YOU really need to be more careful. Try to schedule the abortion clinic for late Friday afternoon so you don’t have to miss work.” Neither of the couple slows down enough to even contemplate children until their mid-forties…and if pregnancy is even achievable at that point a STAGGERING proportion of live births are autistic, Downs, or other catastrophic impairments…and the husband leaves all that behind to trade up to a trophy wife. Mark Steyn got it right: NO WONDER the Third World (and our own trailer trash) consistently outbreed us.

      • tlk244182

        You had it right the first time: kid (no ‘s’)

    • Anonymous

      What is wrong with you? Most of the mothers on my street stay at home. My own mother stays at home. Maybe only low and middle income European mothers go to work because they have to, but among upper and upper middle income European mothers, staying at home is the norm.

      • Pelagian

        Well that is interesting. But I can almost guarantee you that your little anecdote is anomalous. Every workplace I have ever been in since the 1970s, and that is quite a few, has had at least 50% women. Outside of a few construction sites and science labs, I do not know where you will find less than 50% women. Law schools are already 60% women. Therefore these women have to be coming from somewhere, just not your neighborhood.

        (I will also say that if you have less than 50% women, you are running the risk of a lawsuit. Anheuser-Busch just finished a month-long trial because a Female executive was only making 2 million a year, and everyone else in the executive suite was making more. Sure, they won the lawsuit, but I am sure that Anheuser-Busch is wishing they had just paid her the money rather than paying all those legal fees.) Again these women have to be coming from somewhere. For every stay-at-home mom, that makes some working girl somewhere 10% more likely to find a job.

      • Who Me?

        Where the hell do you live? I was a stay-at-home-mother all the years my children were growing up, and I can tell you that in the communities where we lived, it was totally deserted during the day. I often wondered if I was the only functioning adult human for miles around! And no, these were not working class or lower middle class neighborhoods, either. Most husbands AND wives were professional people working 9-5 and the kids were off at grandma’s, or a day care, preschool, or somewhere else.

        • Sick of it

          Among my upper middle class friends in Northern Louisiana, it was a bit of a mix. Some had a stay at home mom, others had a working mom. My friends from less stellar economic backgrounds, such as my own, all had working mothers.

    • me

      This whole ‘tiger mother’ theme reeks of bull kaka. I don’t see many Asians in this country succeeding outside of academia or the tech industry–except in cases of ‘affirmative action’ positions in government or private industry hiring quotas. Not really of an independent, adventurous, entrepreneurial or creative spirit, Asians never create but emulate. The hive mind never did anything magnificent on its own.

      • Hirohito was not a dictator. He was a figurehead for whom terrible things were done.

      • Sick of it

        While I agree with you for the most part, some Asians are creative. Particularly, some Japanese (and Koreans). I’ve never met a creative Chinese person and I’ve been around them for years.

  • Black Swan

    Why is the purpose is even making a comparison?

    Sons of European women put a man on the moon and brought him back to earth.

    Enough said as to which parenting method is more successful.

    • Brady

      That depends on how you define success. The Oriental doesn’t see the point of sending a man to the moon.

      • Black Swan

        Typical sour grapes.

        “Orientals” recently sent a rover to the moon…which failed after a few weeks.

        Whites sent two rovers to Mars in 2003 which are still working.

        • AutomaticSlim

          Heck, VOYAGER is still working 38 years later…
          Now that is really amazing.
          Think about it. How many cars or washing machines are still working after that time? And this thing is in the Kuiper belt and still transmitting data. Incredible.

      • bear grylls

        Yes but Australia was right in their backyard but it took an englishman from the other side of the world to discover australia.They then colonized it and created a first world nation using criminal exiles.Thats why we went to the moon.

      • Sick of it

        They do now…

    • Oil Can Harry

      Reminds me of a corny but funny joke from the early 70s Benny Hill Show.

      Benny played a Chinese gov’t official who bragged that China was preparing to put a man on the moon.

      When asked how he replied “We going to stand on each other’s shoulders.”

  • none of your business

    Is this site an advocacy site for Whites who are completely discriminated against and targeted for genocide or is this site to celebrate asians? I know JT grew up in Japan, but surely he realizes asians are out for their own national ethnic groups and will never join with, help or even sympathize with Whites?
    All this sucking up to asians as being better than hispanics and blacks has not helped Whites one bit for the last 40 years.

    • WhiteGuyInJapan

      “All this sucking up to asians…”
      I don’t see AR including this article as “sucking up” to Asians. Mr. Taylor uses the term race realism which means he wants to be, well, realistic about race. Which would-and should-include documenting patterns among and differences between the subspecies of humanity.

      • And I don’t see how this article “sucks up to Asians.” It just points out a difference. The subjective quality of better or worse is left up to us.

      • Black Swan

        How is discussing Asians endlessly of any import to Whites?

        • WhiteGuyInJapan

          How is discussing Black crime endlessly of any import to Whites? How is studying science endlessly of any import to humans in general?

          • Black Swan

            You’re comparing apples to car tires.

            Black crime affects Whites because we are the main victims of black criminals. It is critical to discuss black crime and get the word out because the mainstream press REFUSE to report vicious black assaults, rapes, murders, robberies, carjackings that are targeted at White elderly, women, little children and babies. It is critical to get the word out so we Whites are aware of the e x t r e m e danger we all face from blacks and the FACT that the government, local police, the DOJ will not protect us from these violent predators.

            That’s why it’s crucial to discuss blacks. That and to explode the myth that there are no racial differences between blacks and whites, that “race is a social construct.”

            The discussions about Asians on this forum follow the same tired formula: Asians superior, Whites inferior with the Asian-philes coming out in force to pile on against Whites.

            That’s why.

          • JohnEngelman

            The truth should be told, even when the truth hurts.

          • Bob Dole

            Still waiting to hear how Asians invented the modern world. The only invention I can think of is the e-cigarette. Surely you can enlighten me as to the endless contributions the Asian race has bestowed upon the world. Anytime Mr. Engelman…

          • RealisticGuy

            You’ll be waiting a long time. I’ve given him plenty of good rebuttals, and he never changes his tune. Never. He doesn’t answer either.

            He doesn’t care at all for the truth, just for his ludicrous positions. He feels himself some sort of high class intellectual. He isn’t. But to keep this delusion, he’ll be as ignorant as it takes.

            If you find yourself reading this Engelman, now is the perfect time for you to answer:

            You seem to say that IQ can be used to determine superiority among races. That is false. There are no absolutely better races. Only races with different abilities.

            Counting IQ for everything avoids mention of other metrics. After all, it was Europeans who gave rise to the industrial age. Obviously then there is more to achievement than just IQ. And put an Asian, or a European in the desert with a spear and a lone deer, and they will not fare as well as an African whose people have done it for eons. The African would be the likely survivor. Is he better? Not by IQ. By other measures, yes.

            And what of compatibility? Is it not also a tenent of race realism, of which you seek to seem educated, that the differences between races lead to tribal behavior, racial animosity, and eventually racial violence, genocide and/or separatism. Race realism itself speaks to undo your thinking.

            Is it in the interests of Asian countries, and Israel, having the best
            people, for their people to leave? If indeed “a country cannot have too many high IQ people”. And should not the best of people stay in their own countries, where they will avoid miscegination, and therefore having descendants less than they are?

            And finally, even if we disregard the arguments above, in the first place you put the state before the people, as if somehow the role of the state is to empower itself rather than ensure the true interests of the people. You don’t seem to understand that ethnic groups have a legitimate right to exist, and that means in practice, to have their own territory. Every ethnic group has a right to work towards its own future.

          • JohnEngelman

            IQ is a measure of potential.

          • RealisticGuy

            That isn’t nearly an answer to everything I have said. In fact that isn’t a rebuttal to anything I have said.

            You really can’t defend your view. How pathetic.

          • Beetlejuice

            Limited potential if one is not creative. IQ does not measure creativity and it is IQ + Creativity which has moved civilization forward and given rise to all the great inventions of the White world.

            Asian may have the IQ but Whites have IQ + creativity which Asians lack.

            That’s why we’ve invented almost everything and they’ve invented next to nothing.

          • JohnEngelman

            Your argument has been frequently repeated on this website. Please read what SlizzardAjeossi wrote about Chinese technology:

            ———————

            I will answer your question to what is now currently the biggest Asian achievement.

            First let me put things in contest: i work for a financial group involved in private equity deals with several Chinese manufacturing companies. I’m not saying this to brag about what kind of hotshot i am, i’m just saying i may have the pulse
            of the situation a little bit.

            The area where currently North East Asia hold a world leadership so immense the West is not even perceived as a serious contender is robotics, with all the ancillary technologies attached to it (A.I., nano, innovative materials etc.)

            Japan used to be the world leader, now the dominant player is S. Korea from where 1 robot out of 6 in this world comes, Taiwan is also there while China is taking off rapidly.

            Robotics is on the cusp of pretty much redefining entire economic sectors: manufacturing, healthcare (Korean nanobot surgery is widely recognized as the best in the world for certain tumors), personal services, learning, logistics&transportation, entertainment, financial services etc.

            This is akin to a fourth industrial revolution the West is entirely missing. As i said every time i board a plane to Europe when i arrive i feel (even in the Northern rim) like all of a sudden i’ve been teleported to a black and white tv world.

            This giant leap forward has the purpose of keeping afloat the growth rate of countries with an aging and, in some cases, shrinking population (N. E. Asians have the lowest birthrate in the world) through a massive leap in robotic productivity.

            ———————

            The Chinese are surpassing the West in areas Westerners can hardly conceive of yet. Meanwhile, the Chinese produce consumer goods as well as ours and much cheaper, while the Japanese for at least a generation have been producing better consumer goods at the same price.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            I will answer your question to what is now tcurrently the biggest Asian achievement.

            First let me put things in contest: i work for a financial group involved in private equity deals with several Chinese manufacturing companies. I’m not saying this to brag about what kind of hotshot i am, i’m just saying i may have the pulse of the situation a little bit.

            The area where currently North East Asia hold a world leadership so immense the West is not even perceived as a serious contender is robotics, with all the ancillary technologies attached to it (A.I., nano, innovative materials etc.)

            Japan used to be the world leader, now the dominant player is S. Korea from where 1 robot out of 6 in this world comes, Taiwan is also there while China is taking off rapidly.

            Robotics is on the cusp of pretty much redefining entire economic sectors: manufacturing, healthcare (Korean nanobot surgery is widely recognised as the best in the world for certain tumors), personal services, learning, logistics&transportation, entertainment, financial services etc.

            This is akin to a fourth industrial revolution the West is entirely missing. As i said every time i board a plane to Europe when i arrive i feel (even in the Northern rim) like all of a sudden i’ve been teleported to a black and white tv world.

            This giant leap forward has the purpose of keeping afloat the growth rate of countries with an aging and, in some cases, shrinking population (N. E. Asians have the lowest birthrate in the world) through a massive leap in robotic productivity.

            I am not quite sure why Asians took the leadership in this field, but i have a theory: Asians DO NOT like the company of their fellow humans that much. They prefer to live in a post-human society than allowing the rest of the world to mix with them and eventually take over.

            If humanism was an exquisitely European phenomenon, semi-seriously we can say that anti-humanism is the main feature of modern North East Asia…and i believe it is a very big plus for them, humanity is after all very overrated

          • JohnEngelman

            Thank you for that comment. Please post more often. American Renaissance needs your knowledge.

            It would be a good idea for you to write an essay for American Renaissance.

          • JohnEngelman

            What matters is that the Oriental race has more genetic potential. This can be seen in mental aptitude tests, academic achievement, and income in the U.S.

          • Beloved Comrade

            Asians have had 10,000 years to prove their superiority and so far they haven’t come close to achieving what the White race has achieved. Not. Anywhere. Near. Yet in that timeframe, Whites created the modern world, including the language, computer and technology you’re using to insult Whites.

            To say otherwise is ridiculous.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            North East Asia was from the second century AD until the 16th century a technologically way more advanced civilisation than Europe. Scores of technological innovations were common in China centuries, sometimes millennia before they became wide available in Europe…please search the internet for that (as they don’t allow links here).

            Asia never produced, and i doubt it will ever do it, significant theoretical science and significant music and literature,

          • JohnEngelman

            Asia never produced, and i doubt it will ever do it, significant theoretical science and significant music and literature,

            – SlizzardAjeosshi

            The imperial exam system was based on Confucian classics. It impeded the development of a great literature, and especially a great religious literature.

            Confucius held that one should worship the gods and goddesses in the traditional manner, but one should not spend a lot of time thinking about their nature. This attitude discouraged religious intolerance and war.

            It also discouraged Chinese with literary skills from writing religious literature equivalent to the Iliad and the Odyssey, the Greek tragic dramas, the Bible, the Divine Comedy, and so on.

            Chinese who could have written religious classics passed the imperial exams, and became civil servants.

            To learn about the autochthonous Chinese dieties one must rely on stories that are similar to European fairy tales.

          • Sick of it

            So advanced that we had to give them clocks and cast cannon for them.

          • Beetlejuice

            None of that matters. What matter is that Whites created the Industrial Revolution which gave rise to the modern world technological world and 1st world medicine.

            We Whites painted ourselves blue and lived in primitive caves in the not too distant past.

            We Whites have given the world clean water and vaccinations which have raised life expectancy from the age of 42 in 1900 to over 70 today.

          • Dr. Möbias

            What matters is the promotion of White race replacement and Genocide that Engelman pushes on these threads.

            I haven’t seen anti-Whites as vicious as Engelman on sites like SPLC, YouTube, Diversity inc and Tim Wise’s site before he stopped all commentary.

          • Hallie Eva

            Some dissension is welcome. However, I do find JE’s obsession with Asian superiority tedious.
            It generates thread breaking argumentative discourse that disrupts and defeats our purpose. Is that the intention?
            In my view, deleting his posts that repeat this theme over and over is not unreasonable.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            Yes and all of that will be useless if whites won’t be the group who crack the code to extend life to 200 years and elevate the median IQ to 170. It’s a cutthroat world outthere, feeling a fuzzy sense of warm security because of past achievements doesn’t do any good and doesn’t bode well for the future.

            In order to thrive you need the competitive drive

          • JohnEngelman

            Read SlizzardAjeosshi’s comment.

          • ViktorNN

            If you look at national IQ and world history (as well as the current state of their home countries), the evidence just doesn’t suggest “more genetic potential” in any significant sense.

            Asians are a different race from the rest, no doubt about it, with a fascinating history and culture, with much to offer humanity. Superior to all other races? Naw.

          • They thrive in a culture they did not create. Is that a good thing? Don’t get me wrong; I’m very happily married to one, but I suspect that only we can be us.

          • Diana Moon Glampers

            Potential for what?

            IQ is simply not the only measure of human ability or behavior. For instance, the fact that Africans have low IQ has nothing to do with my personal desire to avoid them. If they were dimwitted but benign, my feelings on proximity would be wholly different. There are a great many human activities that require qualities other than simply intelligence. Group differences in propensity toward behaviors affect activities like exploration, scientific inquiry, altruism, artistic creation, etc. while high IQ is indeed necessary for achievement, it is not the only ingredient required in every area. If a group of intelligent captives figures out how to defeat their captor, but none among them has the leadership qualities to put it into practice, they will remain captive.

            Which human qualities will be advantageous vary over time. High IQ is obviously one advantage, but it may or may not be the particular trait that advances one group during future survival pressures.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Asians have had tens of thousand of years to “prove their genetic potential” and history clearly shows that they are completely lacking in potential.

            The contributions of Whites to the world and well-being of all people is unsurpassed. It is no exaggeration to say that White contribution has been the single most important of all people on earth, ever.

            I defy you to prove that is wrong.

          • JohnEngelman

            This post was submitted on American Renaissance by SlizzardAjeosshi. While you take pride in the fact that whites invented things like the radio and the telephone, Orientals are moving ahead of whites in areas you can hardly conceive of.

            ———–

            I will answer your question to what is now currently the biggest Asian achievement.

            First let me put things in contest: I work for a financial group involved in private equity deals with several Chinese manufacturing companies. I’m not saying this to brag about what kind of hotshot I am, I’m just saying I may have the pulse of the situation a little bit.

            The area where currently North East Asia hold a world leadership so immense the West is not even perceived as a serious contender is robotics, with all the ancillary technologies attached to it (A.I., nano, innovative materials etc.)

            Japan used to be the world leader, now the dominant player is S. Korea from where 1 robot out of 6 in this world comes, Taiwan is also there while China is taking off rapidly.

            Robotics is on the cusp of pretty much redefining entire economic sectors: manufacturing, healthcare (Korean nanobot surgery is widely recognized as the best in the world for certain tumors), personal services, learning, logistics & transportation, entertainment, financial services etc.

            This is akin to a fourth industrial revolution the West is entirely missing. As i said every time i board a plane to Europe
            when I arrive I feel (even in the Northern rim) like all of a sudden I’ve been teleported to a black and white tv world.

            This giant leap forward has the purpose of keeping afloat the growth rate of countries with an aging and, in some cases, shrinking population (N. E. Asians have the lowest birthrate in the world) through a massive leap in robotic productivity.

          • JohnEngelman

            This comment was posted on American Renaissance by SlizzardAjeosshi. Orientals are inventing the future. They are surpassing whites in areas you can hardly conceive of.

            ———–

            I will answer your question to what is now currently the
            biggest Asian achievement.

            First let me put things in contest: I work for a financial
            group involved in private equity deals with several Chinese manufacturing companies. I’m not saying this to brag about what kind of hotshot I am, I’m just saying I may have the pulse of the situation a little bit.

            The area where currently North East Asia hold a world
            leadership so immense the West is not even perceived as a serious contender is robotics, with all the ancillary technologies attached to it (A.I., nano, innovative materials etc.)

            Japan used to be the world leader, now the dominant player
            is S. Korea from where 1 robot out of 6 in this world comes, Taiwan is also there while China is taking off rapidly.

            Robotics is on the cusp of pretty much redefining entire
            economic sectors: manufacturing, healthcare (Korean nanobot surgery is widely recognized as the best in the world for certain tumors), personal services, learning, logistics & transportation, entertainment, financial services etc.

            This is akin to a fourth industrial revolution the West is
            entirely missing. As i said every time i board a plane to Europe
            When I arrive I feel (even in the Northern rim) like all of
            a sudden I’ve been teleported to a black and white TV world.

            This giant leap forward has the purpose of keeping afloat
            the growth rate of countries with an aging and, in some cases, shrinking population (N. E. Asians have the lowest birthrate in the world) through a massive leap in robotic productivity.

          • How?

            Because our nations have been deliberately, criminally infested with them.

        • WhiteGuyInJapan

          Data on Asians and Asian-Americans becomes significant and useful to White advocates as it can serve to refute Lib-Min claims that White racism holds back non-Whites. Low mean SAT and IQ scores of African- and Hispanic-Americans is typically attributed to White racism. Yet Asian-Americans, clearly not of European ancestry, seem to-on average-do rather well in “racist” America.

          • Beloved Comrade

            How does advocating for White displacement by Asians help Whites keep their homeland?

            Asians belong in Asian countries. Period.

          • Beetlejuice

            That’s not what the article is about and you know it; it is about superior Asian methods of raising children as opposed to inferior methods Whites use to raise their children.

            This is the tenor of the Asian articles on this forum.

        • JohnEngelman

          How is denying the truth about racial differences of any importance at all?

          • Beloved Comrade

            If East-Asians have higher IQ then Whites, why do they produce fewer inventions and fewer cultural outputs than Whites?

            “He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”

            — Thomas Jefferson

          • JohnEngelman

            Scroll upward, and read what SlizzardAjeosshi has to say about that.

          • Beetlejuice

            Good non sequitur there, but then you are a master of deflection when truths or facts that you don’t like are presented.

            How about addressing what Comrade wrote: “If East-Asians have higher IQ than Whites, why do they produce fewer inventions and fewer cultural outputs than Whites?”

            Instead of deferring to whom you consider an “authority.”

            Let’s have it, John, if Asians have higher IQs than Whites why is there a dearth of inventions and fewer cultural outputs from them when compared to Whites?

          • JohnEngelman

            I will answer your question to what is now currently the biggest Asian achievement.

            First let me put things in contest: I work for a financial group involved in private equity deals with several Chinese manufacturing companies. I’m not saying this to brag about what kind of hotshot i am, i’m just saying i may have the pulse of the situation a little bit.

            The area where currently North East Asia hold a world leadership so immense the West is not even perceived as a
            serious contender is robotics, with all the ancillary technologies attached to it (A.I., nano, innovative materials etc.)

            Japan used to be the world leader, now the dominant player is S. Korea from where 1 robot out of 6 in this world comes, Taiwan is also there while China is taking off rapidly.

            Robotics is on the cusp of pretty much redefining entire economic sectors: manufacturing, healthcare (Korean nanobot surgery is widely recognized as the best in the world for certain tumors), personal services, learning, logistics&transportation, entertainment, financial services etc.

            This is akin to a fourth industrial revolution the West is entirely missing. As i said every time i board a plane to Europe when i arrive I feel (even in the Northern rim) like all of a sudden I’ve been teleported to a black and white TV world.

            This giant leap forward has the purpose of keeping afloat the growth rate of countries with an aging and, in some cases, shrinking population (N. E. Asians have the lowest birthrate in the world) through a massive leap in robotic productivity.

            – SlizzardAjeosshi

      • Anon

        An interesting observation and an important one. No….amren is NOT a white advocacy group. At best, it’s a group of people who talk about, and sometimes document the fact that race is not a social construct but rather a real thing.
        How well they do that is…..questionable. Other than proving definitively that blacks, as a group, are retarded and the extent to which crime, particularly violent crime, is a race issue, not much of any real honesty is talked about.
        This article is a classic example. There is no such thing as an Asian. The various races lumped together as Asian would all take GREAT exception to being identified as one of the other Asian races. They all hate eachother….passionately. In countries like Japan, non-Japanese are not allowed citizenship and are rarely treated as anything other than out and out scum. Most of china, despite the media propaganda, is more like Africa than the United States and the people there cannot read, nor speak in anything above simple phrases. In other words, there is incredible levels of variation and articles like this cherry pick from the tiny, tiny, tiny group of Asians who, due to various superior abilities and advantages they have over other “Asians”, are here instead of somewhere working in a rice paddy.
        Is that honest? Useful? Relevant? Not really.

        • connorhus

          Your comments are refreshing and spot on. The Chinese, every one I ever met, all hated Japanese and most of them couldn’t even communicate verbally with the Chinese in the next province. While I wouldn’t call it Africa, China was more like a less rough Mexico in my opinion than Africa but of course I wasn’t everywhere.

          And you are right they (Chinese) only show off their best and brightest there are billions more hidden who didn’t make the cut.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            While I wouldn’t call it Africa, China was more like a less rough Mexico

            It is an upper-middle income country in the urban centers with an enormous countryside at the level of development of rural Morocco or Romania.

            It will be a very different place 10 years from now though, everything changes quickly around here

        • Black Swan

          “No….amren is NOT a white advocacy group.”

          Whew. Thank God.

          But you need to go tell that to the SPLC which lists American Renaissance as a Hate Group, specifically, as a magazine that openly peddles white nationalism and that Jared Taylor himself specifically promotes a self-consciously European, majority-white nation

          Now that we’ve covered that, let’s get back to discussing Asians so we can prove how “inclusive” American Renaissance is and that it is NOT a White Hate Site.

          • Who Me?

            The reason it is beneficial to discuss racial differences, INCLUDING THOSE IN WHICH WHITES MIGHT NOT COME OFF AS FIRST PLACE is so we can see and understand where we have strengths and weaknesses and how to avoid the pitfalls, and use the stepping stones that come from other cultures. I would hope we are all adult enough to see the advantages to this information.

          • Beloved Comrade

            Black Swan and none of your business are right. What is the point to continually publishing articles about Asians on a white news site?

            When articles about Asians are posted, the comments section instantly degenerates into the same, tired debate between anti-White Asian supremacists and fetishishts like Engelman to those who counter their silly, lame debating points. Back and forth Back and forth, Thread after thread after thread.

            What is it we’re learning, exactly, from these articles that is of such great interest or importance to White?

            What, exactly is the point of posting the same articles about Asians with the same information almost every day?

            What is it you are learning in articles such as the above that is so profound and will help the White race to survive?

        • JohnEngelman

          No….amren is NOT a white advocacy group.

          – Anon

          American Renaissance is a website where one can tell the truth about race realism.

          • RealisticGuy

            The only problem is that Taylor does specifically promote European American nationalism.

            I’ll quote a video of him up on youtube, speaking in front of an Amren podium to an Amren audience:

            “It’s
            what our ancestors would want us to do. When your grand children ask
            ‘well what grand daddy did you do during the racial wars’, you want to
            be able to say that you did something, you did something for our people,
            that’s why we’re here”

            The video is called “Jared Taylor Explains White Man’s Disease”.

            That’s what it is, that’s what it always has been.

          • JohnEngelman

            I agree with most of Jared Taylor’s reality perceptions. I do not share all of his goals.

            In my opinion the “White Man’s Disease” is the sense of entitlement white nationalists feel. They think that because they are white Gentiles, and only because they are white Gentiles, they deserve better lives than Jews and Orientals, even when those Jews and Orientals behave and perform better, as is usually the case.

          • Beloved Comrade

            Jews and “Orientals” have homelands and home countries for their own people. Jews use DNA tests, concentration camps and impenetrable walls guarded by machine guns to keep non-Jews out of Israel.

            Yet you believe that White countries should admit unlimited numbers of Asians into White homelands to displace the White population and steal resources that belong to White children.

            You support and promote the race replacement of White children by Asians in White homelands. That makes you complicit in genocide against the White race.

            It doesn’t matter what your OPINION is, what matters is the reality of the anti-White genocidal programs you endorse.

          • RealisticGuy

            That’s it. Engelman is a hater of Europeans as a people.

            Why he is allowed on here, I’ll never know.

            He can’t defend his positions either.

            Ask him to explain how Japanese robots became inferior to Western robots the moment Westerners decided to start taking the subject seriously.

          • JohnEngelman

            Why are you so afraid of academic and economic competition with Jews and Orientals? That is all I advocate, not gas chambers and white Gentiles being machine gunned into open graves.

          • Beetlejuice

            Another deflection by you. Toss out a red herring or two so your opponent is distracted from your faux Asia-superior argument.

            When things get uncomfortable for you, this is your childish debate tactic.

            Why do you support the genocide of the White race? That is a valid question.

            I’d also like to know the same thing as Comrade: Why do you think it’s OK for Asians to replace Whites in White homelands.

            How about answering that without deflecting?

            You can also answer the question Comrade posed above: If Asians are so superior why is their cultural output so limited when compared to that of Whites?

          • RealisticGuy

            We deserve the lives we build for ourselves in our own countries, and so do they.

            If the countries we build lead to better lives than that of the Asian and Jew, and that’s why they want to live among us, it stands to reason that there is more to achievement than what is measured by IQ.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews have been in this country since before the American Revolution. Orientals have been here since before the Civil War. They have built this country with their talent and hard work. The United States is their country as much as it is your country.

            My admiration of those groups is perfectly consistent with my race realism. They tend to behave and perform well. We need their IQ power.

          • The CSA Secretary of State was Judah P. Benjamin. He was Jewish, and did his level best for the South.

          • Beetlejuice

            Neither founded or built this country. Fact is we speak English here, not Chinese or Hebrew.

            It was founded by White men, carved out, bled for, fought for, died for, sacrificed for, and built up by White men not Asians or Jews. Each has their own country for their own people where they protect their people and borders with deadly force.

            You are impervious to the obvious, along with a profound lack of reasoning skills.

          • JohnEngelman

            You mistake my lack of racial bigotry for a lack of reasoning skills.

            Jews have fought in each of our wars. Orientals have fought in each war since they have immigrated to this country. Japanese Americans fought in World War II, even though their relatives were put in internment camps.

          • Sick of it

            Jews who were early settlers often intermarried with white Christians and became the ancestors of white Christians. Huge difference between them and the cadre who flooded our nation much later.

          • JohnEngelman

            [Jews] arrived as penniless refugees unable to speak the languages of
            their new countries; they were the “huddled masses” from the most backward
            region of Europe. Yet by the middle decades of the 20th century, the children
            and grandchildren of these immigrants were doing far better than their Gentile
            hosts on all indices of socioeconomic status and earnings and outperforming
            them by several orders of magnitude in obtaining elite academic distinction.

            – Professor Richard Lynn, who has spoken at American Renaissance Conferences

            ———

            Jewish immigrants to America during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries also repudiated criminality despite having to face extreme economic deprivation. Historian Max Dimont describes them:

            “The majority of these immigrants had arrived penniless, all their worldly belongings wrapped in a bundle…. Most of [them] arrived in New York. Some made their way into other cities,… but the majority remained in New York, settling in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, [which was] a neighborhood of the poor. Sociologists, with their impressive charts showing the number of toilets (or lack of the), the number of people per room, the low per capita income, paint a dismal picture of the Lower East Side Jewish slum. But their charts do not capture its uniqueness. Though it bred tuberculosis and rheumatism, it did not breed crime and venereal disease. It did not spawn illiteracy, illegitimate children, or deserted wives. Library cards were in constant use.”[2]

          • I believe that as a white Gentile, I should be allowed to float at my own level.

          • JohnEngelman

            With your genius level IQ you have nothing to fear from competition with Jews and Orientals.

        • ViktorNN

          I think you’re mistaken about Amren.

          Jared Taylor has said repeatedly that he is interested in white people around the world become racially conscious and use naturally occurring racial solidarity to organize and keep white countries white.

          • Beetlejuice

            If this is a site that panders to Asians at the expense of Whites then that needs to be made clear. I do not believe that was or is Jared Taylor’s intention.

          • Mr. Taylor grew up in Japan, the son of white missionaries. I suspect he has neither any love nor hate for east Asians.

          • ViktorNN

            Yes, you’re mistaken.

            According to all the things Taylor has written over the years, he’s not interested “in pandering to whites at the expense of Asians” – what he IS interested in is whites becoming racially aware, racially conscious, so as to organize and promote white interests.

            Here’s an example of how that might work: Jared Taylor advocates stopping immigration from Asian countries so as to maintain the traditional white majority in the U.S.

    • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

      I’ve never seen this site advocate National Socialism so it’s just a mere illusion.

    • obot

      How is it sucking up to Asians? It’s pointing out real differences. It doesn’t mean one is better or worse than the other. The truth shall set us free.

    • Black Swan

      I agree 100%. We have far more important issues to discuss than Asian parenting practices…or anything else about Asians.

      This is either a distraction or a deflection from vastly more important white issues that are far more crucial to the white community than whether Asian parents are better than White parents, as the article implies.

      We are being battered by blacks while the media cover it all up, our cities are being flooded with non-Whites, we are being openly discriminated against and our worldwide numbers are falling. I come here to discuss and connect with other like-minded people the plight of whites in the US, Europe, Australia, and elsewhere but see articles about Asians almost every day.

      What is there to discuss that pertains to Whites?

      I too do not enjoy seeing articles like this on a White forum. This belongs on an Asian site, not here.

    • RyanP

      I come to this site because it explores the truth about racial differences regardless of where the chips fall. Asians may very well be superior to whites in some ways. Everything piece of evidence should be on the table, not just the ones that favor whites.

      • Black Swan

        How does endlessly discussing Asians promote White interests?

        Everyone of these threads quickly descends into the same comments between Asia-philes and defenders of Whites.

        Let Asian topics be discussed on Asian forums.

    • This Rickshaw Mom article is a real clunker. Sorry, Mr. Taylor.

      • Young Werther

        No. The writer states that the topic is still controversial though it is an old story. People, even when they say they don’t question why some cultures are safer and smarter, still want to know how and why they are. It is always a culture, east or west, that consists of order, structure, discipline. A better society is always a safer society. That requires order. The worst societies are more violent with little or no order. Asian societies demand structure.

        • Who Me?

          Why not come right out and say it, Most of the world, even third-world “emerging” nations have some sort of structure and order to them–everywhere in the whole world except the nations run by blacks, such as Africa, Haiti, etc. Why is that I wonder? Will somebody be doing a study on this? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

          • Beloved Comrade

            What is far more important is establishing and then preserving and maintaining a White homeland for future White children.

            Whites get caught up in endless wordy discussions and distrated from the main issue facing the White Race: Loss of White homelands due to non-White flooding, including Asians.

            Not a one of them belong in White homelands.

            Nothing else matters.

      • JohnEngelman

        This is an excellent article. Thank you Mr. Taylor.

    • JohnEngelman

      One needs no excuse to tell the truth about racial differences.

      • Beloved Comrade

        Here’s the truth according to your warped OPINION:

        “American Renaissance was created to advocate for a United States that replaces white Americans with Asians because their average IQ is higher.”

        • JohnEngelman

          That is an example of a straw man fallacy. Straw man fallacies frequently appear in efforts to refute my opinions. In a straw man fallacy one distorts the argument of one’s opponent in order to make it easier to refute.

          • Beetlejuice

            Says someone who uses non sequiturs, distraction, red herrings, deflection, half truths and selective observations instead of legitimate argument to push his anti-White agenda of race replacement by Asians.

          • JohnEngelman

            Explain how I am guilty of those fallacies using illustrations from my posts.

  • MekongDelta69

    “Their research sheds light on key fundamental differences in parenting methods between Asian Americans and European Americans.”

    Next time you geniuses at Stanford, try comparing ‘fundamental differences in parenting methods between Asian Americans and blacks‘ or ‘fundamental differences in parenting methods between European Americans and blacks.’

    Since that would take a spine that you don’t have, we’ll wait…

    • obot

      It would be a flawed study as 90% of blacks don’t parent their spawn

    • Ella

      In some way, the author had to criticize European parenting and suggest inferiority at the start. If they reversed the ethnic findings, it would be considered a horrific “racist” piece of literature. They favoured the collectivism as witnessed in many current academic books.

  • JohnEngelman

    Outstanding achievement in any field requires one to be born with the talent to achieve in that field.

    Children should be given positive encouragement to achieve what they have the ability to achieve. Pressuring children to achieve beyond their ability levels can lead to psychological problems.

    • Dubyasee

      Surveys taken years ago asked American students how one could be successful in mathematics and the answer was overwhelmingly, “Talent and genius”

      The Chinese response was, “hard work”

      • JohnEngelman

        Only a huckster for Charles Atlas claims that it is possible for a sickly fifteen year old ninety-seven pound weakling to become an award winning athlete.

        Nevertheless, many continue to believe that anyone can become a brilliant scholar.

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          Not anyone can become a brilliant scholar, but it is possible to overachieve despite limited natural abilities.

          • And there are many, many people with genius-level IQs who never do squat. I’ve known a few.

          • Beloved Comrade

            The few Whites who have, thought outside the proverbial box, created the modern world that we all enjoy. First world medicine, space exploration, jet propulsion, the harnessing of electricity, transistor, rad­io, television, telephone, lightbulb, photography, motion pictures, phonograph, electric battery, automobile, steam engine, railroad transportation, microscope, computers, and millions of other tech miracles.

            These are things to celebrate! You celebrate White achievement every day that you use or partake of these things, including posting on this forum.

            Yet despite these things, there are those who wish to genocide our race and wrest our homelands away from us, and they’re doing a good job of it.

            What do discussions about Asians matter when we threat the greatest threat we have ever face in our history: The loss of White homelands. What is more important than preserving that?

          • This requires a lot of hard work.

          • Beetlejuice

            Something Whites are good at. It’s how this country got built from the ground up.

        • Dubyasee

          The cliche, “Genius is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration” is what I tried to express.

          To be sure, there are gifted people that rise above the majority, but it is the effort and development of the majority that I was addressing. American public schools used to challenge students and once upon a time, a High School Diploma meant something. So your Charles Atlas analogy, while true enough, misses the mark of what I tried to express.

          It would appear that some huckster selling high powered intellectual development Snake Oil has gotten to you Mr Engelman. Had you been a little brighter, you wouldn’t have gone off with your Charles Atlas tangent.

          • Beloved Comrade

            It’s merely a distraction from his life goal of race-replacing Whites with Asians.

      • obot

        The correct answer in most cases is both.

      • I would say “love of what one is doing”.

        I was the best chemist in the world in my field when I loved it. I am not the best welder, machinist or woodworker even in this city, but since I love these things, I will get better at them.

  • Well that added nothing to my knowledge. Pretty obvious. Whites value independence, strength, and personal responsibility. Parents are for support, encouragement, correction, guidance. They’re not slave masters. I think that’s good.

  • So CAL Snowman

    Chinese mothers are superior at producing rigid little conformists who will not challenge authority. European mothers are superior at producing open minded free thinkers who are not afraid to challenge authority. Gee I wonder why the White West became a collection of technologically advanced first world countries while China became a communist third world country completely reliant on slave labor and technology theft to compete in a globalized market place.

    • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

      The Chinkees were good at laying railroad tracks back in the old West, Vanderbilt loved them

      • Bossman

        They were the expendables. Quite a few died after every dynamite explosion.

        • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

          Easily replaceable, boatloads were just dying to get to America

        • JohnEngelman

          Nevertheless, they prevailed. Chinese Americans do not need to blame white racism for their problems, because they perform well in the United States, and they prosper as a result.

          • Props the them for not blaming Whites for adversity.

          • Beloved Comrade

            Chinese belong in China, not in White homelands.

            It’s hypocritical to demand entry into a country NOT of one’s own people, and don’t tell me Chinese don’t do this, they absolutely do, and then proceed to colonize that country taking finite resources from the Native Born Population, and don’t tell me they aren’t colonizing, I visit California frequently and large parts of it look like China with all the signage in Chinese, not English.

            Let’s say I tried that in China, demanding that as many Whites as possible be allowed entry to put an end to “Chinese privilege.”

            You think they’d allow that? In China? In Japan?

            If it’s right for Asians to keep Asian countries as Asian homelands then it’s right for us Whites as well to demand homelands for OUR people.

            But you want to take that away, Engelman, and give White homelands that rightfully belong to Whites and White children and hand them over to Asians.

            Why do you support the race replacement of White children by Asians?

          • JohnEngelman

            You ask, “Why do you support the race replacement of White children by Asians?”

            My question is why are you afraid your children cannot compete with Oriental children?”

          • Beetlejuice

            Another deflection from you, this time by means of a loaded question to distract from logic you don’t like.

            Your entire debating skills are Reductio ad absurdum.

            You haven’t answered the questions above or the latest one posed to you: Why do you support the race replacement of Whites in White homelands by Asians

          • JohnEngelman

            I do not “support the race replacement of Whites in White homelands by Asians.” I do think Asians should be able to compete with whites for positions in America’s best universities and corporations.

            Right now the Asian population is 4.8 % of the American population. They are hardly replacing white Gentiles. They are prospering in the United States.

          • RealisticGuy

            How many Asians should Europeans in America permit entry to, so that they can compete with our children? Should there be a limit at all?

          • JohnEngelman

            I favor limits to legal immigration.

            I am also pleased that the Orientals who are already here legally are prospering.

          • RealisticGuy

            Break it down for me, what sort of immigration policy do you think should be implemented. Include whatever eugenics policies you find appropriate as well. Give me goals, methods, a time line. Spell it out.

          • JohnEngelman

            In addition to favoring more limitations on legal immigration, I favor an end to H1B visas, and a vigorous crackdown on illegal immigrants. I want illegals to be identified, arrested, tattooed, and deported. I want their employers to be punished.

          • RealisticGuy

            Why those particular steps? Explain it to me.

          • JohnEngelman

            As a rule I like immigrants. I appreciate the cultural diversity they provide.

            At the same time I recognize that a high rate of immigration has economic, social, and environmental costs.

            I believe that laws should be obeyed. An unjust law should be repealed; it should not be ignored. I do not believe that illegal immigrants have broken unjust laws. I see them and their employers as criminals. I want them to be punished.

            The high tech field has become very specialized and very competitive. Ending H1B visas would give high tech employers the incentive to hire high tech beginners who are American citizens. It would give them the incentive to train American citizens with computer experience but not the experience they are looking for.

            Full disclosure. I used to be a computer programmer. I have twenty years of high tech experience.

            More immigrants mean more people. More people inflate prices and deflate wages. A high rate of immigration contributes to the growing income gap that I have complained about on American Renaissance.

          • RealisticGuy

            I am also a programmer. Mostly Java at the moment. Anyway…

            I do agree that H1B should be ended, but not so American citizens can have the jobs, but so that my fellow Europeans in America can.

            I have no attachment to people simply because they are US citizens. That doesn’t speak me. Not because I hate non-Euros, but because it doesn’t make sense to me. I want the people closest ethnically to me to do well, just like I’d want my brother to do well before someone else’s brother.

            Will you still say, knowing what you do about me — you know I am very fond of the Japanese (I’ll say that here, even if it turns certain people against me), that I am against your positions simply because I am a hateful white guy? I don’t hate anyone because of their ethnic background. You are dismissing my arguments unfairly. I think you know this.

            To be honest, I don’t want Asian kids, or Jewish kids competing against my children. Not because I don’t think my children would do well, but because I don’t feel they should have to.

            I also don’t want my children to marry someone who isn’t European. I want my grand kids to look like my grand parents. Something I believe Jared Taylor has said is true for him, too. If I am a hateful, idiot loser, then surely he is too.

          • JohnEngelman

            I do agree that H1B should be ended, but not so American citizens can have the jobs, but so that my fellow Europeans in America can.

            – RealisticGuy

            That is where we disagree.

            It is futile to argue over likes and dislikes. One either feels a certain way, or one does not. That is why I prefer to debate over facts and logic.

            Other things being equal, population growth contributes to the income gap. It does not matter whether those additional people are of European or Oriental ancestry.

          • RealisticGuy

            I think we disagree again. I think a man has to do everything he can to find and follow what’s right. I think there is a right and wrong, even in something like this.

            If we disagree, since there is only one truth, we have to do everything in our power to figure out which is right.

            If you decide to have this discussion with me:

            I’d first ask you why you think it is unimportant for a man to have descendants like himself?

            In the Symposium, Socrates recalls what Diotima said about the nature of love, and of a living things understanding of immortality and conception.

            Diotima says the definition of love is “The desire to have the good forever”. The having of children concerns the forever part. We mortals are destined to die, and so to defend ourselves against our mortality, we have children, and give to them all that we love, our possessions, our ideas, our culture, and of course, most importantly, our blood.

            When you have a child with another close to you in genetic heritage, you preserve yourself, and them, in the child.

            When you have a child with another far from you in genetic heritage, you harm them, and yourself, for neither of you are well preserved. And so when any person marries and has children exclusively with another unlike them, permanent damage is done.

            And it isn’t just the two involved, but all of their ancestors also. Their likenesses, physical and genetic, are removed from our world, or at least in the case of these two individuals, not brought into the next generation of their people. Their ancestors very reason for bringing them into existence, they betray.

            How can such an act, which betrays the very nature of love itself, possibly be just?

            *** Following is just my musings on the income gap.

            The income gap has a few causes that I can think of besides an abundance of labour in the market.

            The most important I can think of is the end of gold backed currency.

            There was always a gap between rich and poor, but it expanded massively when Nixon closed the gold window, and thereby started the financialization of the economy. The portion of the economy taken up by the financial sector has sky-rocketed.

            Further, without a link to gold, the fed has been able to inflate the money supply. They’ve accelerated this since the 08 crash. Inflation tends to reward activities the wealthy engage in, like stocks, and penalizes the middle class and the elderly with falling purchasing power.

            Since the Fed has been inflating via OMO (Open Market Operations), in this case buying up billions in treasuries, they have pushed down yields, further hurting the elderly.

            Technology also pushes down incomes, as jobs require less skill, or are made redundant.

          • JohnEngelman

            If we disagree, since there is only one truth, we have to do everything in our power to figure out which is right.

            If you decide to have this discussion with me:

            I’d first ask you why you think it is unimportant for a man to have descendants like himself?

            – RealisticGuy

            Truth consists of facts that can be documented and conclusions that can be logically derived from those facts.

            What you like and what I like are not truths about the universe. They are facts about you and me.

            I do not like people because they are of my race. I like people because they share my interests and values. During my life those who have shared my interests and values have frequently been of other races.

            I think that it is beneficial to have descendants who will have qualities that make them successful, and thus enable them to have descendants. The most important of these qualities are intelligence and personal appearance. Orientals tend to be more intelligent than white Gentiles. I have always felt that the females tend to be more attractive.

          • RealisticGuy

            What I wrote seemed quite objective and reasonable to me.

            Not everything reasonable has an associated study, complete with a paper full of all the figures.

            Science is after all the study of the physical world. It says nothing at all of morality. And the physical world is just a shadow of the metaphysical. Nothing in this world, including those facts and figures of yours, we can be sure of — we can’t even find the stuff 96% of the universe is supposedly made of. And quantum physics just wont behave itself. We know absolutely nothing of the true nature of the physical universe. Even your racial statistics, they mean nothing; they are always imperfect, and the conclusions drawn we can never be sure of. How can one draw conclusions about the physical world from figures when he knows nothing to begin with?

            The closest we can come to knowing anything, is through the minds eye, building definitions upon definitions.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            Actually, whites tend to be more intelligent than “Orientals.”

          • JohnEngelman

            Lynn (1991, 1996) showed that, on average, Orientals score higher on tests of mental ability than do Whites, both within the U.S.A. and in Asia, whereas Africans and Caribbeans score lower. Oriental populations in East Asia and North America typically have mean IQs falling between 101 to 111. White populations in Europe, South Africa, Australasia, and North America have mean IQs of from 85 to 115, with an overall mean of 100. Black populations living south of the Sahara, in the Caribbean, in Britain, and in North America, average IQs of from 70 to 90…

            Speed of decision making (reaction time) in 9- to 12-year olds, in which children decide which of several lights stands out from others, shows that the racial differences in mental ability are not restricted to paper and pencil tests. All children can perform the task in less than one second, but more intelligent children, as measured by traditional IQ tests, perform the task faster than do less intelligent children. Lynn (1991) found Oriental children from Hong Kong and Japan were faster on average in decision time (controlling for movement time) than were White children from Britain and Ireland, who in turn were faster than Black children from South Africa. Using the same decison time tasks, Jensen (1993) found the same racial ordering in California school children.

            from “RACE, INTELLIGENCE, AND THE BRAIN: THE ERRORS AND OMISSIONS OF THE REVISED
            EDITION OF S. J. GOULD’S THE MISMEASURE OF MAN”

            J. PHILIPPE RUSHTON
            Department of Psychology
            University of Western Ontario
            London, Ontario, Canada N6A 5C2

            Professor Rushton spoke at six American Renaissance Conferences

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            With all due respect, Lynn’s research on Northeast Asian IQ
            is seriously methodologically flawed. J. Philippe Rushton simply regurgitates Lynn’s findings.

            In The Learning Gap: Why Our Schools are Failing and What We Can Learn from Japanese and Chinese Education (1994), the psychologists H.W. Stevenson and J.W. Stigler write:

            The claim that Japanese students are more
            intelligent than American students has been made by the Irish psychologist Richard Lynn, whose work was publicized several years ago in the cover story of a national magazine. Using American norms, Lynn computed Japanese children’s
            scores on a commonly used test of intelligence. On this scale, Japanese children’s average IQ was significantly above the American average. Lynn’s claims, if correct, would add greatly to our understanding of cultural differences in achievement, but as another publication has pointed out, they are wrong. Asian children may learn more during their school years, but their
            capacity – which is what intelligence tests measure – does not differ from that of American children.

            The fundamental flaw in Lynn’s report was his failure to
            consider two important variables: location of residence (urban versus rural) and socioeconomic status of the children’s families. One of the consistent findings since intelligence tests were devised nearly a century ago has been the large differences between IQ scores of city children and children living in remote villages, and between children from upper-income families and from disadvantaged homes. Lynn did not gather any of his information himself, but instead relied on the norms of the test that were published in the test manual. His choice was unfortunate. Because intelligence tests in Japan are primarily used in large cities, only urban children had been tested to establish the norms. Moreover, no attention had been paid to the necessity of selecting a representative sample of children from each Japanese city. The norms for the American test, by contrast, were based on a truly representative sample of urban and rural children of all socioeconomic levels.

            […]

            Contrary to what would be expected if cross-cultural differences in general intelligence could explain the striking differences in achievement, we found little overall difference in the levels of cognitive functioning of children across the three cultures. American children did not display lower intellectual abilities than Chinese and Japanese children.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            In Group Differences in Intelligence (2000), the psychologist John Loehlin writes:

            There is some dispute as to whether Asian Americans obtain higher average scores on IQ tests than European Americans or score at about the same level. Richard Lynn has estimated that the IQs of Asians in their native countries average around 106 but that those of Asian Americas might be a little lower (Lynn, 1991). In contrast, James Flynn has argued that many studies that have compared the test scores of various Asian-American samples with U.S. norms have involved an artifact, namely, they have failed to allow for the prevailing upward creep of IQ test performance over time (the so-called “Flynn effect”; Flynn 1984, 1996). When the results from studies using just Asian-American samples were adjusted for this effect and combined with those from studies in which both groups were simultaneously measured on the same tests, Flynn found little overall IQ difference between European and Asian Americans – perhaps a couple of IQ points in favor of European Americans (Flynn, 1991).

            […]

            There is also a large difference in how effectively Asian Americans and European Americans convert their cognitive skills into professional and occupational achievement (Weyl, 1969). Flynn estimated that Asian Americans tend to achieve
            at a level characteristic of European Americans with IQs 10 to 20 points higher. This is partly because a greater proportion of Asian Americans who are qualified for higher education in fact undertake it and partly due to their being able to succeed at lower ability levels by working harder (Flynn, 1991).

            According to the Coleman Report (1966), Oriental Americans have lower IQs than white Americans. When the report’s final scores are converted to an IQ metric, the average scores for groups of differing ancestry were:

            European
            Americans: Verbal: 102 Nonverbal: 102

            African
            Americans: Verbal: 85.5 Nonverbal: 85.9

            Oriental
            Americans: Verbal: 98.2 Nonverbal: 101.5

            Native
            Americans: Verbal: 88.9 Nonverbal: 95.0

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            That is evry true, the simple turth is that a modern society, particularly one with a high level of entitlements, does not need many people

          • JohnEngelman

            More people means that there is less of everything good to go around. When the average standard of living and the population are both rising, the average standard of living would be rising even more if the population was not rising.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            If i understand correctly, you are in favour of an open border policy toward Europeans of white ancestry ?

            If that’s case, let me warn you: your kids will have to compete ferociously with cheap Polish, Spanish, Romanian, Greek etc. labour and scores of unemployed or underemployed from France, Netherlands etc.

            Ask the Aussies whose job market is literally flooded by young (and not so young) Euros on a working holiday visa or registered in bogus schools.

            Europe is doing really bad and not getting any better.

            If i were you i would endorse a moratorium to ALL immigration in the US for the time being

          • RealisticGuy

            I’m not in favor of open US borders for Europeans from Europe.

            Frankly, I don’t want the Europeans in Europe to intermix either. I want the English to be English, and the Polish to be Polish, etc.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            Makes sense, i’ve read some of your comments and i have to say i agree with most of them, even if i’m politically fairly different: white nationalism makes more sense for people of North-Western European ancestry, keep up the good work

          • RealisticGuy

            Thank you.

            “even if i’m politically fairly different”

            What is different between us?

          • What about guys like me, then? I am Scottish, Irish, Welsh, German, Cherokee and Tuscarora. I am Eurasian mutt. It is literally impossible to arrive at me without some ethnic mixing. I pass for white, but was recently told here that I am not, really. It doesn’t hurt me, and having to shave only every other day is a bit of a relief. Europeans have been mixing with each other since the last ice age. My high school girlfriend was Scottish and Dutch, a tall beautiful, wonderfully intelligent blonde. Diane’s nose was very Dutch. One of my best friends is Scottish, Irish and German. Another is Scottish, Irish and Delaware injun. The Myers brothers, who quit talking to me because I’m a racist are Irish, German, English, and Cherokee. The neighbor who’s plants I am watering while he’s on vacation is Polish, Spanish, Jewish and Aztec. He’s thus basically a greaserito, but he passes for white.

            I actually like being who I am. I’m mostly Celtic, and I look that way.

          • RealisticGuy

            Guys like you in regard to what? The comment you responded to is entirely to do with Europeans in Europe.

            I am English, Welsh, Irish and probably a few others. Most of us colonials (Europeans outside of Europe) are mutts.

          • Garrett Brown

            A group cannot fairly compete when there is already heavy bias towards the opposing one.

    • Martel

      European mothers are superior at raising students who smoke pot, scoff their parents, and lack ambition. You are talking about a generation which has passed.

      • Yes, our decline is apparent and tragic. Once in a while I’ll watch some old TV show or something on YouTube and I get a glimpse of our fading greatness.

      • Young Werther

        yes

    • Young Werther

      “European mothers are superior at producing open minded free thinkers who are not afraid to challenge authority.”
      No…you mean TRADITIONAL American mothers were like that…we don’t live in traditional America…that is the whole point, as I take it. We wish we had mothers and fathers to teach their children to challenge the PC crazed America we have become.

      • kikz2

        i had an older friend, who’d served in Nam question (a decade ago) my ‘awakening’ my children to certain things….. he thought it might be easier for them if i let them be…. i just couldn’t do it, conformity doesn’t run in my family. i owed that much to them. a decade later, having made them aware of that long ago conversation, none of the three have expressed regret, even though they understand they bear the added burden of special awareness on many subjects their peers do not.

    • Young Werther

      European mothers are superior at producing open minded free thinkers who are not afraid to challenge authority.
      This is no longer happening in America…this is the point.

      • Medizin

        Marxist indoctrination. Dissolution of the family structure.

        • Beloved Comrade

          Blame the Cultural Marxists who control the levers of this society, the media, schools, government, financial institutions and foreign policy top to bottom.

          They tell us that homosexual and single-parent families are superior to the traditional American nuclear family that has worked for us for thousands of years and is a product of our DNA.

          But, woe be to anyone who challenges the anti-White narrative lest you end up like the latest victim, Donald Sterling. The cultural marxists think it’s A-OK to strip him of his private property and fine heavily him for saying something in the privacy of his own home. You’d think he were a mass murderer the way they’re carrying on.

          Such is their power and influence that so many agree with them.

          That last earthquake you felt? That was the Founding Fathers turning over in their graves, their notion of liberty destroyed.

          No, Mr. Franklin, we couldn’t hold on to it.

    • Sick of it

      You’re being too kind. We still design and build their factories for them.

    • Bob Dole

      Wow, you hit the nail on the head with that one.

    • SlizzardAjeosshi

      China lost 2 generations with communism. Korea is richer than 2/3 of Euro nations (this year it should surpass France in terms of per capita GDP), HK is richer than any nation in Europe with more than 1 million people and Singapore is pretty much the richest country in the world. Salaries in China grow at 10%-15% a year: the urban part of the country has a standard of living inbetween Portugal and Spain.

      Said so i don’t necessarily see the necessity to focus solely on economic results, otherwise we should come to the conclusion that a handful of Arab nations are the most advanced civilisations on Earth

      • Charles W.

        China and especially Korea were almost completely built up with western, especially American, technology and capital.

        • SlizzardAjeosshi

          Yeah i completely agree with your assertion, just 2 points though:

          1) We shouldn’t always rest on our laurels, unless we want to turn the whole Western world into a giant France/Italy

          2) We shouldn’t focus only on GDP numbers when assessing the quality of European civilisation, the Gulf has some countries with amazingly run economies, far far richer than anything found in Europe or N. America, still i wouldn’t want to live there if my life depended on it

          • It makes me sick, but resting on our laurels is precisely what we are doing. We’re so concerned with educating the children of illegal immigrants and installing self-hatred in our own children that most of us aren’t even aware that we are rapidly sliding backwards.

          • Beetlejuice

            It’s been forced on us. We are no longer in control of our own culture or our destiny.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            I beleieve if there’s one area where something has to be done and indeed can be done, that’s education.

            Everybody, even reasonable libs (there are some outthere), is worried about the disaster unfolding before our eyes.

            I believe restricting immigration on the basis of the nefarious effect it has on the school system could bring together white nationalists, race realists, paleo conservatives, run of the mill conservatives, people with a little bit of common sense etc.

            Call it wishful thinking but i believe more and more people are waking up to reality, even if they don’t hold necessarily racialist views

          • Grantland

            “the Gulf has some countries with amazingly run economies, far far richer”

            “Amazing run” my white buttocks. They just sit on vast lakes of oil.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            I disagree, many Gulf countries have diversified away from oil in a ruthless and smart way (tourism, banking, logstics, trade etc. etc.), probably if he was alive David Ricardo would be proud of them.

            Still i’d starve before i live among the weird beards

      • Beetlejuice

        Asian countries do well when they follow Western systems of finance and governance, as the successful ones have.

        No one comes to the false conclusion that Arab nations are the most advanced civilizations on earth. They have a product, one product, oil, that they are able to sell to earn vast sums of money. With those vast sums of money, they hire the best White engineers to design their cities, malls and building.

        Ever wonder why Dubai looks so much like New York? It was built by Whites paid for with Arab money. Saddam Hussein had part of Baghdad built to look like a White city, Venice.

        • Sick of it

          Arabic, or really Byzantine, architecture is quite beautiful. I personally find it horrible when a foreign nation copies western styles (or vice versa). Same with regards to Peter the Great and what he did in Russia, virtually destroying the native culture.

    • TZ

      The asian conformity can already seen in children of 48 hours old (or younger).
      http://www.dailymotion[DOT]com/video/xz2jjx_cross-cultural-differences-in-newborn-behavior_news#.UW7ho8rkef0

  • My opinon we can learn from each other, right now. There was a time that kids in the states respected there elders, as well gave a crap of the tomarrow. But thanks to mainly government and media, making discipline and punishment taboo. But at the same time, we don’t want sheep either. China don’t like free thinkers, its now bread in there culture. Not to disobey authoriy. Some time you have to.

  • HJ11

    Lots of Asian mothers do push their children hard. In fact, I’ve long been convinced (no data, sorry) that the supposed higher IQ of some Asians is partly because of this pushing and partly because ot the genetically determined passive nature of many Asians who simply quietly accept whatever a teacher tells them (much like a hypnotist’s subject) and parotts it back. Add to this the apple polishing personality of many Asians toward teachers and you see a person who is focused and motivated to get good grades and to even do well on IQ tests.

    And, contrary to popular belief, you can cram for IQ tests. Being motivated and craming will raise scores markedly. But the IQ test makers don’t want you to know that.

  • Truthseeker

    This confirms what I’ve believed for some time: Whites are simply more independent-minded and individualistic people by nature. Most non-Whites in America don’t seem to understand why Whites frequently own guns, want the government to stay out of their lives and generally have a “mind your own business” mentality. It’s because by nature we tend to believe that we’re responsible for our own lives and that it’s up to us to make something of ourselves.

    Certainly, there are advantages and disadvantages to this, a subject that’s been explored by AmRen before, but whatever the case, we are who we are. Since people of other races generally don’t understand, and are in many cases incapable of understanding these things about us, I think we’re fully entitled to invoke the old “you’re not one of us, you don’t understand” defense that’s frequently used to delegitimize our views. It’s also why we need a homeland where we can be ourselves and not worry about what outsiders think.

  • disqus_irCdmAu8It

    This is a No Brainer, Asians remember what to was like to be poor and hungry. European-Americans have been fat, dumb and happy for a couple of generations. They are now lazy.

  • JSS

    Can someone point out to me one world changing innovation that was produced by the son of an Asian tiger mom? No one is claiming that Asians aren’t disciplined, but a disciplined society divorced from creativity isn’t as desirable as a White society. Thats why Asians move to and send their kids to school here, just like everyone else.

    • Black Swan

      They lack the creative ability that is in inherent in the White race. That’s why they cannot create their own technology and steal it from Whites. Doesn’t matter how many patents they generate now; they’re all built on White created technology.

      These geniuses also fall all over themselves to infiltrate White countries. They’re another sorry non-White group who want a White world without Whites in it.

      • expitch

        I’ll put my response as an honest question to people who know something about automobiles. Can anything the Japanese have done and are doing in the manufacture of cars be by your definition called “innovative” or even “creative,” if that term implies a step up from innovative? I know that after the war the Japanese learned about methods of efficient production from an American, and they must have borrowed something from Detroit before our cars hit the skids. My pertain to the long years between then and now.

        • Beloved Comrade

          We have 10,000 years of empirical evidence to compare Asian creativity to White creativity and the facts show there simply IS no comparison between the two.

          Whites invented the modern world.

          • expitch

            I didn’t compare anything. I asked a simple question of folks who know something about automobiles. I’d still like to know the answer.

          • Beetlejuice

            The Japanese shrink and even improve things, they do not invent them.

          • Medizin

            I never owned a Japanese car, nor will I ever own one, but have driven different models. Never saw anything that American and German cars didn’t have. Germans are the most innovative and technologically advanced, but their cars are pricey, except, the Volkswagon.

            Japanese are known for low repairs, but Americans have made good cars. A neighbor has a 1995 Ford Taurus station wagon with over 200,000 miles. Other than usual maintenance costs, there were few repairs. It’s been garaged and appears almost new. Recently received an offer from a collector. Says he can’t part with it.

          • Sick of it

            One must also wonder why the Japanese are so much better at such things than other Asian peoples (or other non-white peoples generally). And why some have red hair.

        • Medizin

          “they must have borrowed something from Detroit before our cars hit the skids.”
          They stole or copied our auto technology. There was a time they ran around this country freely in groups of 10-15 taking pictures of everything. Our stupid government and companies allowed this. The last I saw of them was about 15 years ago photographing the inside and outside of grocery stores in California. They couldn’t even design their own stores.
          Using our technology, they then undercut our auto manufacturers prices. Japanese were responsible for the downfall of our car companies. Now, the Chinese are stealing everything.

          • Sick of it

            They learned about our automobile technology and manufacturing practices from opening up shop in the United States. Toyota has been here for a LONG time.

          • Medizin

            Toyota, for example, was initially founded in the 1800s as a manufacturer of industrial looms for making clothes. One of the sons of the Toyoda family wanted to get into cars in the 1920s. He purchased a GM car and brought it into the factory for his technicians to reverse-engineer. If you visit the Toyota museum in Japan, there’s a diorama of them taking the American car apart and making blueprints from the parts, then making a copy. That’s how Toyota got started as a car company!

            As for manufacturing techniques, it is well-known, the Japanese came to this country after World War II, took photos of manufacturing techniques inside companies. Over the years they did improve on those techniques.

            They initially gained notice in the states with their small cars, but were poorly made. Eventually, they focused on quality, which is why they sell so well.

            They are copiers, improvers, and focus on quality. They are not inventors.

          • I am still infuriated that GM discontinued the Saturn line.

    • No Engelman –
      The Kama Suthra Love Chair is not a valid invention!

      • JSS

        I think that was invented by a White Brahmin a few thousand years ago.

  • Anon

    And what is the result? Grass eating boys. Asian men who do good in school but only as a larger pattern of doing what they are told, without question, complaint, conflict or anything smacking of self-respect. Uninterested in sex, they are also uninterested in reproducing and taking care of their families is not even on their radar. Raising a hand in violence to protect a loved from being harmed by others is unthinkable. Also undesirable is excelling at anything, competition or anything self-motivated.
    One would think the white race was submissive and accepted their fate meekly. But Asians show us that we are mere amateurs at that.

    • Beloved Comrade

      Yes, but they don’t hesitate to steal our technological secrets via industrial espionage, do they? The cutting-edge technology Bill Clinton didn’t give them, that is, in exchange for cold hard cash for his reelection campaign.

  • Medizin

    My father was the influential parent, but not in the same way as smothering Asian mothers. His concern was that his kids would be able to do well independently when they left the nest. Isn’t that the European way? Not to be beholden to parents, others, or the government for one’s livelihood.

    • Young Werther

      Yes, that is the traditional Western way. The traditional American way was to prepare the child for life after leaving home. The Eastern way was always more collective in the family sense with elders being held in great esteem. Especially making one’s parents proud. The radical change to our culture teaches contempt for the family, the parents and the state or nation. America must learn to be repulsed by its history of white privilege and oppression. Critical Theory teaches traditional America must be totally destroyed.

      • Young Werther

        Though I must add that the North and the South began to vary greatly as industrialism began to affect the populations of the areas of the Northern States, while the South remained a farming region.

      • Medizin

        “The Eastern way was always more collective in the family sense with elders being held in great esteem. Especially making one’s parents proud.”

        That’s the problem. Selfishness on the part of the parents and their children’s fear are the driving forces. Definitely, something wrong with that type of culture. One can only imagine how it contributes to serious feelings of inferiority in those who don’t (can’t) make the highest grades, attend the elite colleges, get the highest paying jobs in the best companies.

        • Sick of it

          Many such “failures” commit suicide in Japan.

          • Young Werther

            That is a very complex situation and cannot be equally compared to American Society.

          • Medizin

            How is it a complex situation? It is not dishonorable to fail when expectations are too high. Dishonor is applicable when one has been corrupt. They cheat but don’t think that is dishonorable, but not getting an A in a test is dishonorable. What can be said about that value system? It’s misplaced.

        • Young Werther

          By all means, then let us give the lowest functioning in our society the highest grades, continue lowering the standards of every average and elite college, and give them the highest paying jobs in the best companies! That is what all my radical leftist profs insisted…why? Because the concept of equality is an ideal not possible to obtain…equal access to education does not mean everyone is equal to the job of education. Sometimes I need a yard man more than I need a lawyer. What is the evil in that? A healthy society can value all jobs carried out by its people.

          • Medizin

            There’s a huge difference between encouragement and pressure
            to succeed. Asians appear to be pushing their children beyond capabilities. Their mothers are telling them they will be a disgrace to their families if they don’t meet unrealistically high expectations.

            From my experience, I have not seen this in European families; although, I know there are exceptions. Parents’ self-worth isn’t tied up in their children. Most are happy their kids get jobs in whatever field they want and able to support themselves and/or their families. Therefore, their kids don’t carry around unfulfilled parental baggage the rest of their lives. Their parents don’t see them as failures.

            No one is equal. Not even in our own families. One child can
            be more intelligent than siblings. Another more talented. Being satisfied with what we were born with and efforts we apply in using our intelligence and talents are the secret to self-worth. Regardless of our upbringing, environment, whatever, no one defines it, except ourselves.

            Asian parents are defining the self-worth of their children. Their children are allowing their parents, their culture, other Asians, to define it. That leads to inferiority complexes. Constantly living up to others expectations is a killer.

            The remedy is not dumbing everyone down to be equal. That has serious consequences for those who are more intelligent and talented than those who are not. One remedy in this country is not throwing high IQ’s in with low IQ’s. The low IQ’s will never be able to compete, and yes, the chance for inferiority complexes is high. It is best to separate them. Actually, this was done in my high school. Blacks competed with other blacks, since all had low IQ’s, and were placed in the lowest section in each grade. There were no Whites in those sections because none had IQ’s that low. High, average and lower IQ Whites were separated into sections, as well. One black ended up with Whites in one of the higher IQ sections.

          • Grantland

            Too many White fathers push and push their sons to be good at “sports”.

          • My ex-father’s only example for me in sports was downhill skiing, and I followed my mother in that respect. My only sports idol was Austrian skier Ingemar Stenmark. My mother and I loved going really fast off 30 foot jumps.

      • Beloved Comrade

        Then you must fight this odious anti-White narrative with everything you’ve got. A stop must be put to it otherwise there will be no White race left.

        I cannot think of anything more evil than seeking to debase and destroy another race not one’s own, which is exactly what critical theory is – IOW, it is for YOUR White children, not theirs, not the children of those who force it down our throats.

    • Bob Dole

      Asians are very over represented in mass shootings. The MSM wants you to believe it’s a “White” thing, but if you go by percentages, Asians are #1

      • Medizin

        Yes. The lefts intention is to make us feel inferior, not to throw us a bone with crime stats. They are intentionally hidden (we must look them up).

      • SlizzardAjeosshi

        The Asian mass shooting is mostly a Korean phenomenon

      • Sick of it

        Especially if the shooting/chopping/stabbing involves a grad student.

    • Beloved Comrade

      This is the thread winner, IMO.

      Self sufficiency, embarrassment if one had to depend on others for his sustenance, taking care of oneself and family without asking for anything, mistrust of government, yes, that is the European way, not the Asian, African or Hispanic way.

      What we Whites want is to be left alone in our own homelands to live our lives how WE wish to live them with limited interference from the government or non-Whites telling us that what we are doing is wrong or that we are evil or that we need to cede our homelands because of “past bad acts.”

      We don’t need guidance or advice from non-Whites and we certainly do not need them in White homelands to take finite living space and resources that belong to Whites and their children.

      • Medizin

        A good example of how other cultures don’t fit with ours. We don’t beat our kids over their heads to succeed. Has this method worked in the long run? No. Are Japan and China the most successful countries? No. So, why aren’t Asians criticized by those illustrious psychologists and psychiatrists? We know why.

        I can’t count how many times I cited the comments of our framers who obviously were familiar with our individualistic nature when they said “free White persons,” “This type of government would not work for others. Be careful who you let into the country. They bring their cultures and dissimilar type governments. They teach their children. Not everyone is our friend. In numbers they will change our culture and government to theirs.” If only they had put “free White persons” in the Constitution.

        If the government was performing its job, White interests would be top priority with both Democrats and Republicans. That priority is to protect them. Throwing all kinds of cultures and governments into the native population is pure suicide as has been stated many times. It has to be a criminal offense, but they hide behind “This country has always been one of immigrants.”

      • Grantland

        “..live our lives how WE wish to live them with limited interference..”

        That’s why we need to get rid of the non-Eskimos infesting our lands. All of them.

    • My ex-father was also an “influential” parent.

    • Hallie Eva

      Both parents “tigered” me all through high school and undergrad. Failure was not an option, whether the issue at hand was piano playing, singing, math and science grades.
      If not mum hovering [literally] over me, it was step father.
      Crazy making mum said upon my mentioning a post doc fellowship, “you will be like your father’s [6] sisters who could not find husbands until in their thirties because they were over educated.”

      • Medizin

        Not sure what you mean by ‘failure.’ What would they have done if you didn’t want to play the piano, didn’t have the talent, or didn’t want to further your education? Is not wanting to play the piano or getting a Ph.D. a failure? Isn’t a college degree and/or masters a success? Dropping out of college might be considered a failure. Stopping piano lessons when you hate them or have no talent is not a failure.

        Post college, at age 20-21, should parents still have control over their children to the point they are forcing them to further their education? As adults, shouldn’t we be making our own choices?

        You said you mentioned the post doc fellowship to your parents. Sounds like YOU WANTED to get a Ph.D., not that they were forcing you.

        Isn’t it better for parents to offer wise advice and encouragement concerning the benefits of education so that we WANT to do it, rather than being forced to do it? I might not have made myself clear, previously, but that was my intent.

        • Hallie Eva

          Failure meant irresponsibly giving up, walking away before a task was completed, whether it was education, practicing music, or scrubbing the toilet bowl.
          Re: the educational issue, I never felt parental “force,” only support and encouragement and my own conscious or unconscious wish to honor the
          centuries long high accomplishments of the women in my family.
          I did want to continue on with the post doc fellowship, and was chagrined that my mother was concerned. I sensed that this was overly controlling and acting against her wishes, continued on.
          Later, she admitted that her real objection was my move to Boston, too far for her comfort.

          • Medizin

            “Failure meant irresponsibly giving up, walking away before a task was completed, whether it was education, practicing music, or scrubbing the toilet bowl.”

            Teaching children to finish tasks, projects, high school, college, is good parenting, not ‘Tiger Momming.’

          • Hallie Eva

            Agree. Good parenting I received, though sometimes it cramped my style.
            Relatively speaking they tigered us, given the aloof parenting style seen today.

  • Young Werther

    When I was in grad school my project partner was the Minister of Education in Japan. At the time, in his country, there were too many teen sucides related to feelings of shame regarding sucess rates at school. I had a pretty famous graduate prof in Education at the time, which is why he was there searching for ways to improve Japan’s reading skills within a *less stress* school environment, that is to say, a more Western liberal approach to learning. The eastern mind and the traditional western mind in terms of how we see the world and our place in it is so very different. The eastern mind inherits a cultural history of working within the whole, as opposed to the western mind’s view of freedom and its focus upon *individuality*, so the results of this article makes sense to me. I don’t know how my partner planned to utilize the particular analytical technique he learned here back in Japan, but though our public primary and secondary schools are certainly in a bad shape, America has been well respected in the past around the world for its higher education in many colleges and many fields of learning. It is true to say that a radical shift in American Culture by way of Critical Theory (And all that that suggests.) and Politically Correct ideology has ruined our ability to comprehend the value of individuality and especially of being “exceptional”. Doesn’t it make sense that our working and middle class, what’s feft of it, will become the new lumpenproletariat?

    • Charles W.

      The difference between Japan and China or Korea is that that obsession with academic success and status is only one segment of Japanese culture. In Japan you’ve also got punk rockers, surfers, video game nerds, foodies, etc. In China and Korea on the other hand the society is essentially monolithic and every mother is a “tiger mother”.

  • Young Werther

    Jeepers, there are too many people who don’t comprehend the point of this article…they think we live in some kind of traditional America!

  • Young Werther

    “In European American contexts, overcoming failure is a personal project not a group project.”
    America accepts failure and now calls it the norm because, as we are now, we cannot compete in a future world with China or Japan. It is good to make success a personal goal as well as a family one. A family must focus on the family success as it USED to do…that is nev er accomplished through drunk daddys and ignorant mammas, no discipline and no structure…that is what Americans ONCE had, like the Asians, though no longer have in this manical politically correct consumer crippled mentally ill present culture.

  • Evette Coutier

    Japanese children have the highest suicide rate of any children in the world. But that standard, Asian moms are the worst mom’s in the world. The single minded focus on academic achievement is not the only criteria for assessing what constitutes good parenting.

    • Bob Dole

      They kill off their daughters in China. Yea, we need to be more like Asians.

      • SlizzardAjeosshi

        Actually selective abortion is certainly highly questionable from the moral point of view but it is a highly effective eugenics tool (see Ron Unz et al): in a highly competitive and consumerist societies, women, especially young and attractive, constitute a high prized commodity completely out of reach for the poorest 10%-15% of the pop.

        This slice of the Chinese gene pool regularly fail to survive generation after generation, accepting the reality of eugenics is the biggest competitive advantage China possess

        • Grantland

          If the Chinese leadership really wanted to leverage their absolute authority they’d allow multiple children only to those couples who could pass the requisite “parenting exams” = IQ tests.

          • I believe they do allow extra kids for high achieving parents. But only if they just allow 1 kid per couple, that’s far better than the US. We actively promote blacks to have as many kids as they can produce, whites are heavily taxed for having kids, and those blacks who are even lower IQ than their demographic: to have the most kids.

          • I actually suggested this to them.

        • Rosenmops

          I believe the Chinese are also working on the genetics of intelligence –no political correctness to worry about I guess. I’m sure they are only interested in the genetics of Han Chinese intelligence, and possibly how to engineer it.

      • ZetaFunction

        They kill off girls because of the one child policy. That policy came from population control ideas pushed by the Club of Rome, i.e., The West.

        China killed tens of millions of its citizens because of Communism, an idea imported from the West. Cho EnLai and many other ChiComs got their education in Europe. Pol Pot studied Communism in Paris and upon his return slaughtered a third of his own people.

    • Charles W.

      Japanese mothers are nothing like Chinese or Korean mothers. In fact Japanese “tiger mothers” are relatively very rare. The emphasis on studying is there but not the insane competitiveness and obsession with status that you see in much the rest of Asia. If you spend time in Japan you will see this.

      • Evette Coutier

        The point was that the measure of good parenting should be more than just academic achievement.

        • Charles W.

          I don’t think we westerners have any more place telling Asians how to be good parents than they have telling us. Asians are hive minds; what applies to them and applies to us are two different things.

          • They’re not all alike, any more than we are.

          • Charles W.

            You think Chinese people aren’t all alike? Or that they’re just as individualistic as Europeans? Well I can tell you you’re wrong.

          • Japanese take their hobbies very seriously. In a nation of cultural and social expectations, there is no room to be an individual except via hobbies. I don’t know much about Chinese; I’ve only been there twice.

          • Evette Coutier

            Where did I tell anyone how to raise their children? I was commenting on the narrow scope of the article.

      • Hallie Eva

        My experience with Japanese and Chinese students at Berkeley was telling.
        They segregated themselves, were socially inept, emotionally stunted, almost childlike, had no interest in connecting with White students, were affectually vacuous, humorless, [the girls has an annoying habit of giggling inappropriately] and so achievement driven that they barely made it out to the dining room for meals. They neither spoke up in class nor offered interesting insights into our discussions, instead sat like statues and took notes. Paradoxically, they were fiercely competitive to an aggressive degree.
        They look down on Whites, and in California, Washington, Oregon, and British Columbia are taking over businesses, buying up rental properties and housing developments, crowding out Whites., and actively engaging in human smuggling rackets.
        For these reasons and more, I do not support Asian immigration.

        • Very well said. I agree with you. In my experience, Asian are, in some ways, the most like us, but in other ways, they are the most foreign people on earth. There is something about Asian that consistently msjes me think, “They just don’t get it.”

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            I strongly believe they are the direct descendants of some local variety of Homo Erectus, if there’s one place that proves the out of Africa approach nebulous at best, that’s the Far East

          • Sick of it

            Skulls tells a very politically incorrect story.

          • Hallie Eva

            Antique, they do not “get it,” as you said. Everything socially inter-actional went over their heads. Nothing amusing about them.
            Recently, in my small White suburb, a faux massage parlor was busted.
            Asian women, a mixture of Thai, Japanese, Chinese, Cambodian, had been smuggled in and put to work as servile prostitutes.
            Law enforcement says this is an ongoing problem in many communities. We were scandalized that something as tawdry as this had infested our otherwise, cultured, law-abiding population. Client busting, thankfully yielded only out-of-town johns.

  • RealisticGuy

    My mother always told me, that what is truly important in life, is that I have fun.

    Awful, awful advice. True happiness isn’t found in frivolity.

    Most European mothers the world over say things like that. They want to be their children’s friends, not their parents.

    It’s not entirely their fault, its the age we live in; the age of equality. It works against them.

    • Having fun is a cute way of expressing it, but enjoying one’s work is a better way to describe the same thing.

      • convairXF92

        If one wants to enjoy one’s paid work, one had better have worked one’s arse off from elementary school through high school through college. The people who grew up “having fun” and who drank/smoked their way to C- averages had better learn to be satisfied flipping burgers, flipping widgets, or trying to decipher the handwriting on bureaucratic paperwork.

        The Asians who pulled all-nighter after all-nighter at the top engineering schools are happier in their work lives — especially given that they could pick from a wide choice of job offers — than the beer-drinking white guys who now are stuck in some rigidly-defined slot with some military contractor where they are afraid to breathe the wrong way.

    • This is true today but it is NOT the old European way of raising children as they had to learn from toddlerhood up simple chores gradually learning how to be a fully functional member of the Tribe by age 14.
      The safety and survival of the whole Tribe depended on each member being
      capable and skilled in every necessary chore including how to care for babies no matter the gender of the member of any Tribe.

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  • Magician

    It is not necessarily a crime at all but

    You would think there would be more lively and frequent human interaction in such an advanced and stable country as Japan….

    cnn[dot]com/2014/05/15/travel/japan-moomin-cafe

  • Sick of it

    White kids are more annoyed than motivated by nagging.

  • Who Me?

    I read Amy Chua’s book some time ago. and the feeling I got from it overall, was that she was an emotionally abusive woman who should have been required to attend parenting classes, at the very least. Not to mention some classes in LOGIC. She demanded that her daughters be THE TOP in their classes. Now that is not a terrible ambition, but it can only work in America. If there is more than one Tiger Mom in the class, their children can’t BOTH be THE TOP. Also, good grades are very, very important, but LEARNING the material is even more important. I know this because I personally am a very good test taker. I can learn the stuff well enough to ace the test, then immediately forget it–something I did to fake my way through half my high school classes and graduate with honors.
    Her daughters seem to have turned out fairly well, but I do believe she somewhat crippled them as individuals in the process. (Music lessons MUST be piano and/or violin, for instance, not something they might have liked better and excelled at through talent and preference, rather than force.) No parties, sleepovers or other “unnecessary” distractions, well, maybe American children do celebrate a little too often, but children need recreation as an important form of learning, from how to get along with others in an unstructured environment to physical development.
    All in all, having raised 2 children in a very NON-tigerish way, I respectfully but totally disagree with Ms. Chua. My children are now 38 and 31, by the way, and both successful, productive, contributing members of society.

    • Beloved Comrade

      Asians are known for cheating.

  • IstvanIN

    I certainly agree that children should be encouraged to reach their full potential and that parents should be parents, but childhood is fleeting and children should be allowed to be children while they are children.

    • Beloved Comrade

      Creative play and curiosity, a White trait, are what led to some of the major inventions we have today.

      • Yes playtime based on engendering creativity and critical thinking raises the capabilities of any IQ or race child
        Some rote must be learned only until creative processes can be used to teach reading and basic math
        Then a child must be evaluated to see where its innate talents lay and these must be encouraged by the classes and playtime broadening of the skills and natural interests of any child
        By 14 YO is should speak three or more languages and do higher math and some musical training as well as having learned a skill that can support it in life which must be honed in classes until age 21 when the child is fully able to interact in the greater social sphere and earn its way.

        `

        • When I was 14, I showed my father how to trisect an angle, allegedly impossible, but spent most of my free time playing “Dungeons & Dragons” with the Myers brothers. I have been mistaken for a third version of them.

          • Does that mean you are a game addict?
            .

          • Ed now works on Fords, and I tie fishing flies and make lures at home. Ed now has two Edsels. He wrote to me while I was in federal prison, but now won’t talk to me because I am a racist. I miss him and his brother, Brian. I tried to say I was sorry about what I had said. I really miss him.

            I would give up my life for Ed without any hesitation. He knows it, and it doesn’t matter.

            I play “Neverwinter Nights”.

            My real addictions are metal machining and woodworking.

        • Grantland

          This can only work for high(er) IQ kids. ‘Makes life a pain in the proverbial for the average and less-so.

          • This maybe the consequences but in ALL NATURE except the now marxist poisoned human world its called survival of the most intelligent and emotionally fittest
            Before religions were forced on all nations we all bred up
            even where as is described in “The Overman” of Nietsche
            Is it a way a healthy people see how to progress a race and a future for our grandchildren better than our own world.

            People grow by trial and mistakes and suffering the consequences
            to give some people everything to make life easier is to deny them growth opportunities

            Many MANY blacks have gotten an education and many have not and still rose up in business, industry, social progress and have taught others black and white to also rise up over difficulties to become productive themselves

            To maintain that all black kids are discriminated against and cannot learn as a result is utter nonsense bit it keeps the race baiters earning cash and public accolades in the MSM.

            Water will alwsys find its level
            no matter how many people the marxists kill or otherwise destroy on the way
            mmmm… ….maybe global floods so water can level all playing fields

            and those who just cannot seem to make it unless held up and given free passes to all levels that water will wash out will just not be able to swim…( yes there IS an inference there 🙂 )

            In any litter there is a runt ,if that runt has the Spirit it will surpass the Alpha litter mates
            if it has not enough it wll be left by the wayside in life and maybe NOT survive

            NATURE RULES
            and it is glorious in all its manifestations
            even tornadoes, tsunamis, raging forest fires, pest invasions and plagues that reset the balance

            always resetting the balance
            HER wonders to preform.
            .

          • Grantland

            ‘Couldn’t agree more – I won’t inflict a poem on you. But let’s save the rigorous curriculum for the 110/15’s, minimum.

          • Yes you are on the right track there. In any NATURAL social order people advance by MERIT. Those with higher IQ and emotional balance advance more and those with less aptitudes are naturally relegated to the robotic work that is necessary in farming, industry and upkeep of cities, offices, households,

            Some WHITE people fall into the less apt categories as well as many Asians, indians and blacks.

            Some of each of these also fall into the greater apt categories
            ONLY a real merit based social order will raise up the whole
            and there needs be a standard set for breeding our future generations, UH OH, wowie yassa …. genetic standards for all breeding age populations no matter the skin color or heritage.
            This will upset the marxizsts among those who read here BUT it will become the rule of the land either soon or after the apocalypse by nuke wars.

            The survivors will have learned some very harsh lessons.
            **

  • SlizzardAjeosshi

    Hey i mean this as a joke and not much else but when the subject of the conversation falls on Asian themes, all of a sudden lots of far right types start sounding suspuciously like liberals…joking aside let me put this in perspective:

    Let’s say you are a 35 years old MMA heavyweight world champion. You have been the undisputed champion since you were 22 years old, when you crushed the previous chap holding the belt. That dude was a bloated lazy 37 years old who, after loosing the crown, sank into a life of misery made of alcoholism and abject poverty.

    Instead since then you had no competition: you destroyed every contender with style, force, elegance and discipline You’ve come to dominate the sport but your performances lately have not been that great at all: lazy, a bit overweight, without the necessary mental approach to the game you’re starting to resemble more and more the previous champ, whose reign you ended in ignominy. Still you managed to stay afloat because of lack of real competition.

    Now enter The Kid, a 18 years old thug who happens to be the son of the previous champ. The Kid grew up in deep poverty, resenting everything and everybody. He was discovered during a particularly nasty street brawl by some guy who happens to be one of the mangers of your league. The guy, always looking for fresh new faces to keep the ratings high, decided to give the kid a chance.

    This young fella is in fact, at his young age, already an imposing, intimidating 6′ 6”, 230 lbs. mothereffer. He surely doesn’t possess your style or your experience but he’s a rabid, vicious, sadistic fighter with a work ethic second to none, despite having none of the fancy gym equipment, trainers, sparring partners, nutricians etc. you possess. In fact he works out probably even a little too much for his own good: he run, do push-ups, benching, beat the bag etc. with such insane ferocity he actually often risk to tear off his muscles and damage his ligaments.

    Nonetheless so far in his short pro-career the kid has simply annhilated every opponent who had the misfortune to step into the octagon with him. And while he was literally dancing on the ribcage of his opponents, he was screaming at you with a foamy mouth about getting his belt back.

    Now the kid has been granted a title shot, you are now only 1 month away from the fight: all in all i would deem extremely advisable to get your act together and start training, instead of boozing and clubbing with the g’s and the hoes

    • captainc

      pretty amazing descriptions of asians… should we be really afraid? how to turn back the time?

      • SlizzardAjeosshi

        Tiger mothering is clearly not a desirable option for people of European ancestry, Western societies as a whole though need to make a major u-turn in terms of values and priorities

  • kikz2

    stockholm-esque syndrome………they must please their parents, there is no other alternative…………. their native cultures don’t allow for slacking educationally, it’s survival of the fittest, and begins before kindergarten with the parents’ abilities to score them slots in the best schools. if the proper kindergarten or pre-school slot is not retained, it’s pretty much ‘over’ for the kid at that point in the game.

    • benvad

      It makes the difference between becoming an executive to hawking cell phones at an SoftBank distributor.

  • Korean guy

    Too much of anything is not good.

    In East Asia, a student is praised if he can do things from one to ten after he is given a list of ten things to do, exactly the way he was expected to do, as if he is some kind of a robot or a servant who gets paid to do things. If he ever tries to do anything he was not told to do, or tries a different approach, he will be condemned.

    In Western world, a student is praised if he can be creative and come up with something new, and change the world.

    A person who can only do what he is told to do, can only be useful upto a certain point. Of course it is not a bad thing, but he cannot change this world.

    • Beloved Comrade

      If they have any creative talent, what you’ve described is a good way to squelch it for all time.

      • The problem there is Confucian philosophy, which developed from the need to contain the Yellow River. This rapidly silts up and then overflows. It has shifted courses between the current north side and the south side of the Laiotang peninsula. One can only imagine what that did to the farmland nearby. I’ve been there; it is flat ground. The Chinese needed iron discipline to manage that river, so the Confucian culture evolved to provide just that.

  • Beloved Comrade

    Tell the PC commissars to get their boots off of our White necks first.

    I don’t know about you, but I need my job to support my family. These people play dirty and will try to put an end to your career if you challenge their set dogma and rules.

    Donald Sterling may have a billion dollars to fight them, but I don’t and I don’t think the average White does.

    That’s why “open minded free thinkers” have had to go underground or behind 7 proxies.

  • Beloved Comrade

    Individual Human rights vs. rights gifted from a communist government.

    You’re right, no need for more Chinese to flood into White lands.

  • Beloved Comrade

    Wonderful. If that works for Asians, more power to them. Why would I wish to emulate their lifestyle or methods of raising children which I find abhorrent? Let them raise their children how they see best, but DO NOT tell me that how I am raising my children is wrong and that I should follow the “Asian way.”

    Let them do as they wish in their own homelands. I like Asians and I like Asian food, but I do not wish for them to replace my children in my homeland any more than they’d like it if I wanted to replace them in their homeland and take resources that belong to their children.

    I despise Whites who promote the replacement of Whites by non-Whites, they are the scum of the earth,lower than the Somalis who are invading my town.

    • Senik

      I don’t know why you feel like this article is enforcing the Asian way to you and your family. This article merely mentions about the different parenting in the East and the West. It’s an informative analysis and that’s about it.

      “…if I wanted to replace them in their homeland and take resources that belong to their children.”
      I think that’s been tried already in the past by colonials and what we see today in terms of population displacement is a result of that.

  • Charles W.

    Ever been to Japan or Korea?

    There is basically no ‘diversity’ of anything in Korea–be it style, thought or ambition.

  • Peter Connor

    Asians are not creative, and they are much more submissive to authority than European whites. They also have no compunction about lying or cheating in business to gain advantage, or manipulating other processes to their advantage…

    • Japanese American Larry Shinoda did the beautiful body styling for the 1963 Corvette “Stingray”. What mattered was that he grew up here in the US.

  • ZetaFunction

    Chinese education is traditionally based on rote memorization and clearly defined tasks. Creativity and novelty is discouraged. There’s a simple reason for this. The first thing a child must do in their education is to learn to read and write. In Mandarin and Cantonese if you are to become at all literate you must permanently commit to memory at least 10,000 pictographic symbols.

    This is an incredible feat of memory for anybody, and it crowds out other approaches to education. The memorization method then continues into math, music, science and other fields where creativity is needed for those fields to advance.

    However, it wasn’t always this way. The Chinese were certainly very creative in ancient times. Perhaps, ironically, mass literacy dumbed-down their creativity? In any case, the kids of Chinese immigrants do very well here in the US even without a lot of creative energy, and their kids take on the creative urges after a generation of assimilation and intermarriage.

    Amy Chua may preach the Tiger Mom shtick, but she herself is a very good example a highly creative child of culturally Chinese immigrants.

  • The Final Solution

    Yes, Asian mothers are so superior that they produce 35 year old men who act like children, grown adults who spend every waking moment playing computer games, some never even having a girlfriend well into adulthood. I don’t know why this stereotype persists so much because Asian universities are anything but academically rigorous. I have heard out of the mouths of many Asians that their universities are a joke, that it’s basically the reverse of the American system – college is easier than American high school.

    • ZetaFunction

      The article focuses on Asian Americans, not Asians in Asia. In America we are able to get the cream of (a very large) crop from East Asia and they excel here in difficult university studies that the folks back in the old country don’t. Asian universities are where kids go to network and make social/professional contacts for their future careers. (Hong Kong and Singapore and two exceptions that have academically rigorous universities.)

    • SlizzardAjeosshi

      The leadership in the higher learning field is strictly an anglo thing (US-UK with Canada and Australia fast rising contenders), check out the Times higher learning ranking: in the top 50 there are 6 Asian universities, no Eurozone institutions and only 3 continental universities: 2 in switzerland, 1 in Sweden. In the top 60 Korea has 3 institutions, Hong-Kong 2, Germany 1, France 0.

      You finally find the Eurozone academia in the lower rings of the top 100.

      Europe is an educational disaster in the making

      • The Final Solution

        I’m familiar with the top 100 list and I disagree. N America, Europe, and Australia clearly dominate. Asia is basically a non-competitor. There are different lists and the one you’re citing seems to heavily exclude the Eurozone which is not what I’ve seen on other lists. Europe may be slipping but the continent that produced Einstein, DaVinci, and Aristotle sure as hell has no use for Asians to teach them how to do math.

        • SlizzardAjeosshi

          There’s one fundamental reason why European academia can’t compete: they have no money. While institutions in the Anglo sphere are pretty much free to charge students and pay star teachers whatever they want, on top of searching for financial backing in the private sector, European universities are stuck mostly in a free of charge&public funding paradigm. Asia is pretty much following the New World model, allowing their campuses to pursue lavish funding from every source available.

          That means everybody, among those who have a bit of talent ,leaves for greener pastures, in the meantime the Eurozone universities are pretty much turning into the community college system of the world. European talent is pretty much being constantly poached away by America, Canada, the Gulf, Singapore, HK etc.

          Europe may be slipping but the continent that produced Einstein,
          DaVinci, and Aristotle sure as hell has no use for Asians to teach them
          how to do math

          I completely agree: if you don’t fight your own battles, and rely on hired guns, you’re set to loose

    • JohnEngelman

      Asian students have higher average SAT scores than any other group, including whites. A study by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade examined applicants to top colleges from 1997, when the maximum SAT score was 1600 (today it’s 2400). Espenshade found that Asian-Americans needed a 1550 SAT to have an equal chance of getting into an elite college as white students with a 1410 or black students with an 1100.

      Top schools that don’t ask about race in admissions process have very high percentages of Asian students. The California Institute of Technology, a private school that chooses not to consider race, is about one-third Asian. (Thirteen percent of California residents have Asian heritage.) The University of California-Berkeley, which is forbidden by state law to consider race in admissions, is more than 40 percent Asian–up from about 20 percent before the law was passed.

      – Jesse Washington, My Way, December 3, 2011, posted on American Renaissance December 5, 2011

      • LACountyRedneck

        So what? It is not in the best interest of non-Jew Whites to live in a mixed society with Jews, Asians, or any other non-Whites. It is obviously detrimental to the success of a White society. Good that certain Jews and Asians have those high IQ’s. It’s a shame they have to go to White countries to be successful. Basically freeloading off White society much like blacks and others.

        • JohnEngelman

          Jews and Orientals rarely “freeload.” They pay their own way.

          • LACountyRedneck

            You’re ducking my comment. Again.

          • JohnEngelman

            Most of your comment lacked merit, and was unworthy of a response.

          • LACountyRedneck

            If they’re so intelligent, why do they leave their own countries and come to White countries? Can they not use their intelligence to create enough of their own success? I understand poor 3rd world people coming to the U.S. but why intelligent Asians, Jews, and others? You mentioned jobs recently. Are they not capable of creating enough jobs?

          • JohnEngelman

            They came to the United States for the same reasons white Gentiles came, and with usually better results, despite greater discrimination against them.

          • Hallie Eva

            My sentiments exactly, LACounty.
            STAY HOME all you off shore usurpers, breeders and job grabbers. Enrich your own g’dang country.
            We do not need more diseased beings who over breed, miscegenate, dilute our White gene pool, suck up our tax dollars, fill our overcrowded hospitals and over-utilize precious resources.
            Have you noticed that immigrants and tax receivers burn every light in their apartments/homes all hours of the day and night?
            Speaking of diseases, you may be appalled to know, as I am, that Hansen’s Disease, aka Leprosy, is making a sizable comeback in heavy immigration states.

      • LACountyRedneck

        IQ’s. Bhutan 78, Indonesia 89, Philippines 86, Burma 86, Laos 89, Malaysia 92. Those are Asian countries. You must be referring to a specific group of Asians.

        • JohnEngelman

          I Most “Asians” in the United States came form China, South Korea, and Japan. Those are the people I mean.

          • Hallie Eva

            Not so in Northern California, JE.
            We are treated to Asian diversity via Hmongs, Montagnards, Laotians, Filipinos, Vietnamese, not so bright Chinese, Sikhs who never learn English no matter how long in country,
            odoriferous Indians [dot] of all stripes.
            This month, my ex-husband needed a temporary in home caretaker following a medical procedure. The agency sent a Filipina. She ripped him off for 7 large in forged checks.

  • none of your business

    While we are overwhelmed with admiration for the way Chinese Mothers, SOME CHINESE MOTHERS raise their children, Chinese do not admire us at all. They do acknowledge we invented the modern world and joke that all their last great invention was wall paper 700 years ago, but they think we are total idiots because of one thing we do.

    We gave affirmative action to blacks and hispanic indians. We allow blacks to get away with all sorts of crime that in China would be swiftly stopped by whatever it takes. We give jobs and college admissions to the totally unqualified while refusing applications from the superbly qualified.

    Here is how OTHER CHINESE MOTHERS, BOTH AMERICAN AND ELSEWHERE raise their children. They kill the girls at birth. They raise the girls to about 10 and sell them into slavery. Here in America they force the kids to work long hard hours in their little businesses so admired by conservatives. From about 1900 to about 1980 there were a lot of Chinese kids in the San Francisco foster home system. They were taken from the parents because they fell asleep in school day after day. Investigation proved that the parents kept them up until midnight to 3/am working in the family dry cleaners, laundry or sweatshop or doing prep work and chicken slaughtering in the family restaurant.

    Their household income is so high because their households consists of 5 to 20 working adults. Obviously even if they all made minimum wage their household income would be higher than households with 1 or 2 working adults.

    Weschler IQ test. It is supposed to be sold only to licensed psychologists. Chinese psychologists buy them by the dozens and sell them to Chinese parents who drill the kids to the point they have all the right answers memorized. Instead of endless wondering about the attraction of Asian women to White men, why not ask Asian women. Those of us who have been around Asian women a lot, get the same answer all the time. “Asian men are like my Father and I don’t want to marry someone like my Father.” They want a husband who helps with housework and child care, doesn’t hit them and doesn’t try to control them. A lot of Asian women think that White men never beat their wives but most Asian men do.
    Food and famine. For instance my friend Xaibo aka Bob. He’s only about 5ft 2. He’s about 40 now. He was born in one of the famines that happen all the time in China. For the first 7 months of his life he lived on rice water. Not until he was 2 1/2 did the famine alleviate enough that the family had any food other than rice. Mom could not breast feed of course because she had been so starved all her life. This is common in China.
    Chinese diplomat I knew back in the early 1990’s. He was here to encourage the tourist industry, basically to check out the minimum western amenities needed to lure western tourists, basically plumbing. First time I cooked dinner for him I asked him what he wanted. He replied anything is fine. I said no, tell me, I have to cook it I know Chinese don’t eat cheese at least tell me what you don’t want. His reply was, “honey, when I say anything is fine, I mean anything is fine. For 4 years of my life I ate nothing but boiled tree bark, so anything is fine.”

    If this is a race realism differences site instead of a White Advocacy site, why not discuss the truth about Asia, Asians in Asia and Asians in America instead of endlessly focusing about the creme de la creme?

    • Medizin

      “Weschler IQ test. Chinese psychologists
      buy them by the dozens and sell them to Chinese parents who drill the kids to
      the point they have all the right answers memorized.”

      And, they continue to tell us how stupid we are compared to the Chinese.

    • SlizzardAjeosshi

      Yeah but can we focus a little bit more on recent data ? In terms of houseold median welath, patterns of consumption, working conditions etc. China is a middle income country, no better and no worse than any other place in such group

  • none of your business

    Instead of constantly going on and on about the average Japanese,S. Korean and alleged
    Chinese IQ of 105, why not focus on the IQs of all Asians? Start with the non Han Chinese such as Tibetans, Manchurians and others. Include Central Asians such as Tajiks, Uzbeks
    Hazaris, Khazkistanis and other Asian Central Asians. Include Thais, Cambodians, Vietnamese, Hmong, Nepalese, Burmese, Malays and Indonesians.
    FYI Hong Kong and Singapore are cities, not countries; major city states like NYC and London, but cities in Asian countries nevertheless. Why do the charts claim those cities are countries I do not understand. Singapore is nothing more but a city in Malaysia and the average IQ in Malaysia is below 100. FYI Singapore did not exist until An English explorer founded the city cerca 1800. Because Hong Kong has no above ground water supply the population was less than 1,000 until the Chinese goverment leased it to the English cerca 1850 and the English dug wells that allowed the population to expand. One wonders why the Chinese geniuses who were the original inhabitants never thought of digging wells.

    For every Chinese mother who force feeds her child into university, there are thousands who put the kids to work at age 10 in horrible conditions not just in China proper but in Chinatowns all over the world including Europe and the United States. Google the Morecombe Bay shrimp harvesting disaster when the Chinese slave owners drove the Chinese shrimp harvesters out into the bay as high tide was coming in and dozens drowned. This happened in England, not China.

    • captainc

      Hey, you are wrong, Singapore and HK are countries, these are city-countries. Look at the map. The Chinese took Singapore from the Malays.

    • Magician

      Be careful! You are going to make this couple very angry

  • dewdly

    Where are the Asian fathers in all this? Still attached to their own mothers?

    • Studying how to be patriarchs and rule by maleness.
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      • dewdly

        Genghis Khan?

  • Beetlejuice

    I never understand why non-Whites like the authors of the above article think it’s their duty to micro-analyze Whites and then make pronouncements about White culture, most often that they find it degenerate.

    The article above I found to be very condescending to Whites and favoring Asians as if Whites are wrong in how we raise our children and should look to Asians as role models of some type.

    No thanks. I don’t care what they do, I want to be left alone to raise my children how I see fit, not given advice by non-Whites who have nothing but scorn for Whites.

    • WhiteGuyInJapan

      “I never understand why non-Whites like the authors of the above article think it’s their duty to micro-analyze Whites”
      And they typically go bonkers when the tables are turned. See “The Culture of Critique” by Kevin Macdonald.

  • none of your business

    captainc
    Honk Kong is not a country. It is an semi autonomous region of China, somewhat like the British islands of Sark, Guernsey and Jersey but definitely part of the country of China. Singapore was not taken from the Malays by the Chinese. It was founded cerca 1800 by and Englishman named Raffles who became known as the White Rajah.

    blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
    All Asians are infinitely superior to all Whites. If any of you knew anything at all about Asia and or lived in California and knew Chinese living in America as I do you would not be so fooled by the endless propaganda. Amren readers are not fooled by the endless White privilege, hispanics and blacks are only held down by racism and black on White crime does not exist. So why do you all who know nothing about Asia or Asians living in America swallow the all Asians are superior to all Whites propaganda.

    • WR_the_realist

      I know of no one, not even John Engelman, who believes that all Asians are superior to all whites. So you’re attacking a straw man.

    • They’re not superior, just a bit different.

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        In terms of achievement, influence and being able to build stable, functioning societies, they are definitely inferior.

    • benvad

      I live in Japan and can see a big difference in cleanliness and behavior and in a civilized manner (in general).

      Now the country is 99% Japanese ethnicity they set up rules of behavior to keep them from murdering each other everyday. When you see Chinese immigrants, they really stick out because of the look or mostly the way they act.

      I think whites have a pretty successful society considering the grief, expense and societal pressures they put on themselves to accommodate 13% of the population being or som type if welfare.

      If the Asians were altruistic by nature and had the same burden, I’d like to how successful they’d be? I don’t think they could hack it.

      • benvad

        Maybe they are superior, because they look out for their own interests
        and not the interests of parasites.

  • none of your business

    I only wish JT and others would realize that despite the fact that they totally despise blacks and hispanics, Asians will never, never, ever ally themselves with Whites. End of story.
    I read Derbyshire’s speech he made at the conference about China. There was absolutely nothing he said that I did not already know. Those of you who live far from Asians living in America may have been impressed by his hop,skip and jump through Chinese history but I was not and I am not a Chinese historian by any means,

  • Anna Tree

    Well, it seems it was the Dutch 🙂

    —– Portuguese and French discovery
    Some writers have advanced the theory that the Portuguese were the first Europeans to sight Australia in the 1520s.[2] A number of relics and remains have been interpreted as evidence that the Portuguese reached Australia. The primary evidence advanced to support this theory is a series of French world maps, the Dieppe maps, that may, in part, be based on Portuguese charts. However, most historians do not accept this theory, and the interpretation of the Dieppe maps is highly contentious.[3]

    The French navigator Binot Paulmier de Gonneville[4] claimed to have landed at a land he described as “east of the Cape of Good Hope” in 1504, after being blown off course. For some time it had been thought he discovered Australia, but the place he landed has now been shown to be Brazil (which is north-west of the Cape).[5]

    —– Known European discovery
    The first undisputed sighting of Australia by a European was made in early 1606. The Dutch vessel Duyfken, captained by Willem Janszoon, followed the coast of New Guinea, missed Torres Strait, and explored part of the western side of Cape York, in the Gulf of Carpentaria, believing the land was still part of New Guinea.[6][7][8][9] On 26 February 1606, the Dutch made landfall near the modern town of Weipa and the Pennefather River, but were promptly attacked by the Indigenous people.[10]
    Janszoon proceeded down the coast for some 350 km. He stopped in some places, but was met by hostile natives and some of his men were killed.

    At the final place, he initially had friendly relations with the natives, but after he forced them to hunt for him and appropriated some of their women, violence broke out and there were many deaths on both sides. These events were recorded in Aboriginal oral history that has come down to the present day. Here Janszoon decided to turn back, the place later being called Cape Keerweer, Dutch for “turnabout”.

    A Spanish expedition commanded by Luís Vaz de Torres charted the southern coast of Papua, and possibly sighted Cape York in late 1606.[5][6]

    —– Further Dutch sightings
    The discovery that sailing east from the Cape of Good Hope
    until land was sighted, and then sailing north along the west coast of Australia was a much quicker route than around the coast of the Indian Ocean made Dutch landfalls on the west coast inevitable. Most of these landfalls were unplanned. The first such landfall was in 1616, when Dirk Hartog landed on what is now called Dirk Hartog Island, off the coast of Western Australia, and left behind an inscription on a pewter plate. (This plate may now be seen in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam.)

    Further voyages by Dutch ships explored the north coast of Australia between 1623 and 1636, giving Arnhem Land
    its present-day name. The most famous and bloodiest landfalls were those associated with the mutiny and murder that followed the wreck of the Batavia off Western Australia in 1629. In 1642, Abel Tasman sailed from Mauritius and on 24 November, sighted Tasmania, before discovering New Zealand and Fiji, and visiting New Guinea en route to Batavia (now Jakarta). He named Tasmania Van Diemen’s Land, after Anthony van Diemen, the Dutch East India Company’s Governor General at Batavia, who had commissioned his voyage.

    Tasman claimed Van Diemen’s Land for the Netherlands. In 1644 he made a second voyage, on which he mapped the north coast of Australia from Cape York westward. Other notable Dutch explorers of the Australian coast include François Thijssen (with Pieter Nuyts on board), who discovered much of the south coast in 1627; and Willem de Vlamingh, who mapped the west coast in 1696-1697.[5][6]

    —– First English sighting of Australia
    On 1 May 1622, the Tryall, a British East India Company owned East Indiaman of approximately 500 tons, under the command of John Brooke, sighted the coastline of Western Australia at Point Cloates, although they mistook it for Barrow Island. They did not land there, and a few weeks later were shipwrecked on an uncharted reef northwest of the Montebello Islands; the reef is now known as Tryal Rocks. The shipwreck caused the death of 93 men, but the captain and nine men escaped, and made their way to Batavia by longboat, and later back to England. This was the first known shipwreck in Australian waters, and it was this wreck that William Dampier came looking for in 1688 (he was not even born when the shipwreck occurred).

    —– First English visit to the mainland
    William Dampier, a former pirate, was the first Englishman to land on the Australian mainland. On 5 January 1688 his ship the Cygnet, a small trading vessel, was beached on the northwest coast, near King Sound. While the ship was being careened he made notes on the fauna and flora and the indigenous peoples he found there. He made another voyage to the region in 1699, before returning to England. He described some of the flora and fauna of Australia, and was the first European to report Australia’s peculiar large hopping animals.

    —– James Cook
    Lieutenant James Cook was the first European known to have explored the more habitable east coast. Cook had been sent to chart the transit of Venus from Tahiti, but he also charted much of the Australian and New Zealand coastlines. He reached New Zealand in October 1769, and mapped its coast. On 19 April 1770, the crew of the Endeavour sighted the east coast of Australia and ten days later landed in a bay now located in Sydney’s southern suburbs.

    en wikipedia org/wiki/History_of_Australia_(1606-1787)

  • none of your business

    I suggest all you Asia worshippers read a book “Lords of the Rim”

    An exploration of the economic power of the overseas Chinese, particularly their domination of the Pacific Rim. The overseas Chinese are a vast, highly interconnected net of 55 million expatriate Chinese who control up to two trillion dollars in assets, and not only dominate the Pacific Rim but are making increasing inroads into the West. Part economic analysis, part Pacific Rim history, and part chronicle of fortunes won, lost and won again, this book tells who the overseas Chinese are and how they got to be so powerful. Spanning thousands of years, it encompasses stories of murder and betrayal, bravery and corruption; of triads syndicates, kingmakers, merchants, emperors, generals, spies and pirates. The book is also a cautionary tale – for the Chinese stategies that have proven so successful for so long are just as effective today. Sterling Seagrave.

    Then you might read about the history of the Chinese in California and San Francisco. Or if there are any Chinatown areas near you you might talk to the Chinatown squad of the police department about how those wonderful hardworking small businessmen really make a living.

    • benvad

      I heard Indians are similar but even a little more complicated due to caste requirements. Well whatever works for them.

  • none of your business

    Someone claimed the reason Chinese kill baby girls is because of the one child policy. Totally untrue. Chinese have been killing girl babies for thousands of years because they do not value girls or women as much as they value males. End Of Story. People on this site who have never known or even seen an Asian/White couple pontificate about why Asian women tend to marry White men but Asian men never marry or even date or are friendly with White women.
    If you knew any Asians you would know the answer. Asian families don’t care about the girls. They can marry whom they wish. But the men are under enormous pressure and I mean outright bribes to marry within the sub clan of the tribe of the Asian nationality. Asian young men who want a big wedding present ,say a big down payment on a house not just a car would do well to date a White woman for a while, bring her home, talk to the parents and especially grandparents about marriage and bingo, the family will band together to give him a big bribe to dump the White girl and bring home a bride of the specific sub clan, tribe, occupational, educational ethnic preference,
    There is a whole video bride thing going on by the parents of young unmarried Chinese men. They get video of girls from the old home province and select a bride for the young man. The men usually agree. yes, Asians are different from Whites.

    Lots of cultures for centuries have done the mail order bride thing, but non Asian men select the bride or date themselves. In present day America,it is only the Asian families living in America where the parents select the bride for the young man. Some I have known appreciate the parents doing all the work and effort. Just as he accepts whatever Mom cooks for dinner, he accepts the bride Mom selects for him.

  • Batterytrain

    Then it just goes to show how unimpressive MIT has become if someone can just do well just by being forced into it. If he created something new or opened an entrance a profound paradigm shift, then I would be impressed. Unfortunately most institutions these days aren’t there to produce but to provide to the interests of powerful parties with their own agenda.

  • ThomasER916

    If they’re such good parents they should stay in China.

  • SentryattheGate

    Isn’t there a very high rate of suicide among Asian students? When they don’t get the highest grades or don’t get into the best universities, they “bring dishonor on their families”, resulting in suicides. Also, as I understand it, Asian moms (or is it just Japanese moms?) are expected to quit their jobs to be a tutor to their kids throughout their school years. And they’re getting tired of it, resulting in lower birthrates and much higher divorce rates.

  • Grantland

    Thiomersal is deliberately introduced into vaccines as a form of bio-warfare. The “elites” get mercury-free vaccines.

    • Thimerosal was introduced as a vaccine preservative before WW-2 because a bunch of kids died of staph infection from contaminated vaccines. This is metabolized into ethylmercury, which is rapidly excreted by humans. This has not been used as a vaccine preservative since July 2000.

      I am honest about everything, but especially chemistry.

  • Dr. Möbias

    White Catholic, Louis Pasteur discovered germ theory, not Asians, one of the single, most important, profound contributions to medical science in the history of mankind. Microorganisms were first directly observed by Anton van Leeuwenhoek, who is considered the father of microbiology.

    English medical scientist John Snow in 1854 found a link between cholera and contaminated drinking water. Snow’s study was a major event in the history of public health and geography. It is regarded as the founding event of the science of epidemiology.

    How many millions upon millions of lives did those discoveries alone save after drinking water was cleaned up?

    All medicines have side effects and I am well aware of mercury used as an adjunct in vaccines, to this day even, and that many vaccines such as Hep B upon birth are completely unnecessary.

    However, I would not like to go back to the days before the advent of the polio and smallpox vaccinations, both of which caused untold human misery before modern medicine, developed by Whites, ended both of these plagues.

    Ditto for the White discovery, development of and dissemination of anti-biotics to the entire world.

  • none of your business

    If S.Korea is so rich why are they still selling baby girls for adoption? There was an article a few years ago. The goverment health clinics decided on small co-pays for some services. They charged the equivalent of US $3.00 for vaccinations. The allegedly rich S. Korean parents stopped getting the girls vaccinated because of the tiny tiny fee. One of my brothers was stationed in Okinawa during the 1980’s. He says the Japanese prostitutes hanging around the base was almost as bad a situation as the Bangkok desperate prostitute situation. A lot of the guys rented off base apartments. The apartments came with a girl who serviced whoever rented the apartment until he left and then serviced the next tenant. That kind of prostitution is not indicative of a rich and prosperous country,it indicates desperate women who can’t get a better job.

    • SlizzardAjeosshi

      In Korea there’s a strong bias against adoption (something i honestly kinda understand, i DO NOT wanna deal persoanlly with an unknown child who has been through God only knows what), if you check OECD stats for household size, median income, educaiton, number of children living below poverty line etc. Korean families are in the upper third of the OECD ranking.

      Honestly i’ve seen enormous sex trade sectors in many developed countries, ever been to Germany, the brothel capital of Europe ? (lots of local women working there too)

      • benvad

        Japan too, if the person isn’t directly related it screws up the ancestry worship. When they do adopt, it’s the children of relatives whose parents were killed.

      • Magician

        Sex workers are everywhere in all developed and developing countries around the world

      • There were plenty in Sydney, Australia.

    • Magician

      I tried to google for South Korean girls not getting the USD $3 vaccine because their parents do not value their daughters as much as they do their sons, or South Korean women in general having to put up with unequal treatments simply because of their gender, but could not find any.

      And it is my knowledge that the current president of South Korea is a woman.

  • John R

    They need a third study of how African American mothers motivate their children to do well in school. Ummm, well, I mean after they find a large enough number of African American children who are, in fact, doing well in school.

    • MikeofAges

      Those that do have been studied. It involves paying attention to the kids yes, but mostly, it involves strong rule within the family.

  • MikeofAges

    My estimation is that white Americans are motivated by the residues of Calvinism, cultural Freudianism and Social Darwinism. White Americans therefore believe that if they do all of the right things according to one or more of these metrics, certain things automatically will come their way therefore. When things do not come their way, they simply are hurt and befuddled.

    White Americans have to go beyond the idea that if they provide a “well-rounded” upbringing and an appropriate education for their children according to their individual abilities, these will provide for them. People have to act on and seek control of external institutions in order to make sure that they recognize the capabilities of white Americans and accept these as a basis for career entry. Except for the white hereditary upper class no one seeks to make arrangements beyond providing for their children. Even the hereditary upper middle class merely provides for its children with the presumption that providing upbringing and education for their children will provide for them. The only difference between the hereditary upper middle class and the middle and lower classes is that the upper middle class brings some slight eugenic sense to its marriages, maintains some intergenerational wealth, and is capable of a providing a high enough level of provision that their children, except for the obvious failures, are provisioned to provide for their own career entry and advancement. The hereditary upper middle class also acts to truncate the opportunities of those below them in the social hierarchy.

    From this point view, black Americans, as poorly off as they collectively are, nevertheless are ahead of white Americans on the issue of demanding something for themselves. When I was growing up on the South Side of Chicago we had a slang term, “pudding”. White people in America, with their naive expectations and their huffiness when their expectations are not met, are just plain pudding for anyone and everyone who is more self serving and more assertive about their group self interest than whites are. In our world today, that is everybody. Morever, whites in American, because they are the largest demographic, seem to be more willing to resort to attacking others of their ilk, when they see themselves under pressure or when they begin to think things are not going right.

  • I knew who Otto was.

  • none of your business

    Slizzaedajeosshi
    I lived in Frankfurt for 5 years. My sister and her husband lived there 12 years. My parents lived in Vienna almost 20 years after they retired and my Father died there. But at least in Germany one does not see hordes of desperate hookers all over the place as one sees in some areas of Japan. I see nothing wrong with an anti adoption culture. But why do the S. Koreans abandon to die or sell the girls to Americans? Why not use the old European orphanage system. The kids were trained for useful work and placed in jobs. The English system was pretty horrible, 7 year olds sold to the factory owners but the old French system was excellent. The kids were trained for skilled jobs and placed between 14 and 18. Alums were welcome to come back and use the orphanage placement service to get other jobs.
    I have nothing against the Asian way. But I am so sick of this all Asians are superior to all Whites because some Asians do so well in school. Those of us who live in California know full well that most Asians are not geniuses but slave labor in sweat shops, dry cleaners and food industry. Have you seen those huge all you can eat Chinese buffets in California. According to the labor board almost all the workers are indentured servants paying off their $40,000 smuggling fee. Because so many Chinese restaurant workers live, bathe, do laundry and sleep in the kitchen they are in violation of numerous
    health code laws but God Forbid an inspector tries to enforce the sanitary codes because the cries of racism triumph over American laws and health codes, especially occupancy laws.

    • SlizzardAjeosshi

      I’ve seen plenty of meninos de rua (street kids) in China, never seen any of them in S. Korea. The latter has adequate orphanage infrastructures like any other country with a similar per capita GDP. Koreans do not adopt and do look down on orphans who often end up being small time kkangpae (gangsters), questionable for sure but this has nothing to do with money. The poorest people i see in Asia are invariably the elders by the way.

      The abuses you described, i’ve seen them many times over in Hong-Kong: let me clarify i DO NOT favour Asian immgration or any kind of immigration for that matter. I honestly doubt there’s somebody who is more of an anti-immigration hawk on this board as myself. I believe even European (non-anglo) immigration to English speaking new world countries is a feral threat.

      All i am saying is: working with Chinese i learned to respect them and their abilities. DO NOT discount them because 2/3 of the population is still poor, they just updated their system to a free market economy later than other nations.

      Have a good day everybody

      PS

      In the cases of the regulatory abuses you brought up i don’t think anti-racism lunacy plays a major role, seems to me more like a case of major old fashion slumlord skullduggery: many people have a major interest in inflating real estate prices

      • Magician

        If you think Asians are so problematic and inferior then why did you marry an Asian woman?

        • SlizzardAjeosshi

          I don’t think they’re inferior, and they don’t even seem that mysogynistic to me (never bumped into so many rich women as i regularly do in China), they’re just very different.

          This kind of choices are never entirely rational: among many reasons, probably it pushes me to give my best. Having somebody in the home who thinks my people is inbetween trash and compost, and the ceo of my company holds similar views, definitely motivates me quite a lot.

          it is kinda like, i don’t know, stepping into the octagon with a crocodile: Italians always had a reputation for cowardly behaviour, i personally like to fight

    • SpawnTaviousJackson

      I once worked with a Chinese girl who had married an American in China and moved to the states with him. He was not a rich man, just your average guy, and after moving here she went out to find work to help out. She first found work in a Chinese restaurant, her English was not too good I guess, her American husband spoke mostly Chinese with her. After the first week she found out she was not going to be paid. They also kept all of her tips.They kept an eagle eye over her as she worked and made sure she didn’t pocket anything. She said she thought she would have to endure this for some months before she started getting something. She automatically assumed it would be the same as in China. Her husband asked her where her money was and she told him what was going on, he was angry and stormed into the place and demanded her pay for all the time she had worked and told them that if they didn’t give it to her he would report them. This apparently is something that REALLY DOES HAPPEN. These are not just rumors.

      Let me relate another incident that is even stranger because the boss was a white American. At a beach strip there was a place for getting temporary henna tattoos. The girl who was putting mine on told me she was from Japan and that the owner of the stall had paid money to get her over here . She said she was trained in a certain technique of making the dye- it was a liquid, not a paste, and trained in the art of doing the designs. The reason I had decide to get one of these was I was working for a novelty entertainment company and this is when “Henna Tattoos’ and artists that would do them at events were starting to become a big seller. I wanted to ask her questions about the product etc. I was not prepared for a virtual slavery story. Anyway, I gave her a card and told her she should consider calling us and letting us book her for events. Later, in the evening, I was walking by the same place and she was gone, but the owner came out and was furious with me and accused me of trying to rob him, that he had “paid a lot of money for her” etc.. Very strange. It sounded like slavery to me. Apparently slavery or something like it is totally acceptable in asian cultures.

  • none of your business

    If Asians want to live 20 people in a 900 sq ft house over a garage as they do in San Francisco let them do it in Asia.

    Asian overcrowding is a major reason housing costs so much in San Francisco and some suburbs such as Daly City. 10 working adults in one small house can afford to pay vastly much more rent or mortgage than the typical 1 or 2 earner American family.

    Keep their superiority in Asia. Let us keep our girls alive and let us live in homes with reasonable space, let us use double decker bunk beds only for children instead of 6 sets of triple decker bunk beds in the living room as I have seen with my own eyes in the Nob Hill, Russian Hill, Richmond and Sunset areas of San Francisco where the Asian invaders have totally taken over the city.

    • dewdly

      Apparently, tolerance for crowding is an Asian racial trait. White people don’t even like urban settings and will trade a higher income for access to nature.

  • benvad

    When whites are a small minority, the country will be in a shambles. People won’t be immigrating to a third world cesspool.

  • Brutus

    Try Paul’s letters. He opens up the old testament.

  • benvad

    Chua feels grossly inferior in her subconscious and knows she’ll always be an outsider. So she wants to lash out at the greatness of the WASPs that created the United States.

    Pure envy & jealousy.

  • Sick of it

    When they use the term “free thinker” they mean anti-Christian.

  • none of your business

    Thought I’d put this in the comments section instead of a news article as it conflicts with amren’s Asians are superior stance NBCNEWSNEWS /U.S. NEWS
    U.S. Charges China With Cyber-Spying on American Firms
    The Justice Department filed criminal charges against five hackers in the Chinese military Monday, accusing them of stealing American trade secrets through cyber espionage, according to U.S. officials familiar with the case.
    The efforts were directed at six American victim companies in the nuclear power, metals and solar products industries. Among the victims were Westinghouse Electric, U.S. subsidiaries of SolarWorld AG, U.S. Steel, Allegheny Technologies and Alcoa.
    FBI Director James Comey told NBC News, “For too long, the Chinese Government has blatantly sought to use cyber-espionage to obtain economic advantage for its state-owned industries.”
    The charges will name several individuals who are Chinese government employees, according to a U.S. official. “They used military and intelligence facilities to commit cyber espionage against U.S. companies,” the official said.

  • Our 4 year old son is in an International School in Brazil. This is part of a very well established and respected group of private schools in this city.

    Their policy includes letting the little ones play and develop their own groups and come up with their own solutions during play times and projects to solve problems. This is directly opposed to the Chinese parenting method which seems to allow for no play. The method here is that by playing, the kids learn social interaction skills including learning how to negotiate and get others to accept their ideas.

    We believe our little one is very competant intellectually but just to force him to learn things at this young age would be less optimal as he could be become anti-social and eventually may grow up hating learning by the time he becomes 15. Thus the stress for some very respected schools is to have some learning as well as some unstructured play and structured play: such as building projects, skits, and other things.

    Before coming to Brazil, he was in a very strict academic preschool and I can now see the efficacy of the more relaxed learning method. He is also tri-lingual which is a bit of an achievement for a 4 year old.

    +9

    • SlizzardAjeosshi

      Mine goes to a Canadian one in HK, i would say it errs more on the strict side of things. I wonder if it’s Canadian/British curriculum feature or it is done to accomodate the local environment

      • Actually there’s a big variety of school types here (Sao Paulo, Brazil). We decided on this one which is half English & half Portuguese based as we wanted our son to learn the language and culture of Brazil. Possibly the schools best known for being the top strictly academic institutions are the ones with a Britsh background. There are also Canadian International schools here.

  • none of your business

    Magician
    You asked me to provide the article about Koreans ceasing vaccinating their girls because the Korean health service asked for small co pays for vaccinations. It was an article in the Los Angeles Times sometime in the past 20 years.
    Perhaps you are not aware that there are ways to do research other than typing google in a box?

  • SpawnTaviousJackson

    I find most asian women very unpleasant to be around. They are totally centered on MONEY!!, MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY! HOW MUCH THAT COST? HOW MUCH YOU MAKE A YEAR? They do not know how to live. They are like the monkey in the monkey trap. The monkey trap is a coconut hollowed out, with a hole cut in the top large enough only for an unfisted monkey hand to fit through.They put candy or rice in the coconut and chain it to a stake or a tree. The monkey gets it’s hand on the treasure but then will not let go, no matter what. The mind of the asian female is like this, it has a death grip on ambition and greed, everything they do is done to serve ambition and greed. Politeness, friendship, etc, are all fake. fake fake fake fake. The older they get, the more crazy and tighter their mental grip on these things becomes. They see their children as extensions of themselves and they try to control them just as tightly. It is a psychological death grip that squeezes the life and creativity out of them.

    • Hallie Eva

      A colleague of mine married a Chinese girl, traveling to visit her family in China for part of their honeymoon.
      My friend was taken aback when the first questions asked of him by her parents were:
      1] do you own your home?
      1] how much did you pay for it?
      3] was your payment in cash?
      4] what is your monthly salary?
      5] how much is in your savings account?
      6] what stocks do you hold?
      Such stories are not unusual.

  • Pelagian

    Here is a Tiger mother raising another one of those “more successful children”. Just Google: Redwood
    Shores’ Lucy Li, age 11, makes history by reaching U.S. Women’s Open.

    I think it is safe to say that no white, or Catholic family of any race, would torture a child unto being an 11 yo pro golfer.