Education Sec. to Probe Why Young Black and Hispanic Men Are ‘Less Successful’ in the Job Market

Pete Kasperowicz, The Blaze, May 12, 2014

Secretary of Education Arne Duncan on Monday will host an Internet discussion aimed at uncovering why young black and Hispanic men are “less successful” in the job market and in school, and what causes encounters between them and law enforcement.

The discussion is part of President Barack Obama’s “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative, which the administration announced in February. That initiative created a task force including Duncan as education secretary, and is meant to develop proposals to “enhance positive outcomes and eliminate or reduce negative ones” for young black and Hispanic men.

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Duncan’s discussion on Monday afternoon will focus on jobs, the criminal justice system and education.

On jobs, Duncan plans to ask participants the biggest reason why these young men are “less successful in the job market than other young people.” Suggested answers are insufficient education or skills, inadequate connections or networking, or employer stereotypes.

On the issue of criminal justice, Duncan will ask what cause “interactions by boys and young men of color with the juvenille/criminal justice system.” Suggested answers here include exposure to violence, a lack of positive influences, and biased law enforcement.

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Duncan will also ask how to improve the graduation rate, and proposes more financial aid, lower college costs, and better guidance when applying to college as possible answers. It also proposes shorter pathways to a high wage career, and a culturally relevant educational environment as other possible answers.

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  • Let me help Arne Duncan out a little bit.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      THAT book!

      A troublesome pointing out of the obvious.

      Become a master of the obvious – beginning and end of wisdom, if not pain, lol.

      • And for God’s sake, don’t review it in the New York Times, because books written by the science editors of the NYT don’t deserve a review in the NYT.

        • Dr. Möbias

          Nicholas Wade is a former science writer for the NYTimes and therefore has less to lose as far as a career. I’ll bet he sat on that book until he retired knowing full well he’d be Richwine -ed if he dared to publish it while he was still working as a science writer.

          “Wade tells blogger Luke Ford that he retired from the Times 2 years ago, but still contributes articles to the paper.”

          http //dailycaller com/2014/05/10/30-year-new-york-times-science-writer-out-after-writing-book-about-genetics-race/#ixzz31ez4JeYA

  • Whitetrashgang

    I know I know because they are black and Hispanic, where can I get my cheque?

    • TXCriollo

      Well hispanics come from spain i think everyone on american ren needs to email the nyt and say blacks and aztecs just cant get with the program

  • dcc2379

    Um, let me see . . . BLACK BEHAVIOR & INTELLIGENCE. Bingo. We have a winner!

  • Frank_DeScushin

    “Suggested answers”? This suggests that these answers are the correct ones; but these answers seem to overwhelmingly be your typical Liberal excuse making for underachievement and running afoul of the law. “Suggested answers” epitomizes Liberals on race. Liberals don’t want an unbridled discussion on black pathologies, they want to give us false answers. As Ronald Reagan once said, “The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”

    Although, they are usually ignorant too.

  • ncpride

    We all know how this will turn out. This ‘probe’ will be nothing but a finger pointing, blame Whitey, give us more money, excuse making bunch of nonsense that will get them no where in the long or short term. Until they are ready to really have that honest ‘discussion about race’, honest being the key word here, nothing will change.

    • MooTieFighter

      Exactly. How can white people change, not the guilty party. Reminds me of the college that distributed handouts to discuss how to deal with blacks, not disrespect them, not make eye contact, etc… Saying it was the way whites interacted with blacks that caused their poor behavior.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    “He already has all the wrong answers.”

    Ha ha! Then it would seem easy to narrow it down to the right answers, eh? They should read that book…

  • dd121

    They have lower IQs and are not as qualified. Simple answer really.

    • dcc2379

      But, 150 years ago one of their ancestors might have been a slave.

      • dd121

        Maybe we could just write each one a check for a million bucks and be done with it. Somehow, I don’t think that would be the end of it. either

        • They’d waste all that money on bling and come back demanding more. How many times have we seen highly-paid black “afawetes” and entertainers run through money the same way?

          • PvtCharlieSlate

            Some years ago I read an admiring article about a black basketball hero who went out and bought a $300,000 + Bentley convertible … and then “customized” it with chrome wheels.

      • Tom Thumb

        Yes, but they wouldn’t qualify today without affirmative action.

      • ncpride

        And it’s just as likely that one of my White ancestors was a slave as well, but shhhh! Don’t tell anyone, especially any history class in America.

      • MooTieFighter

        If they still lived in Africa, they might be one right now.

    • Fathercoughlin

      they are more dishonest,more lazy,more criminal and theyre dumb and irresponsible.

      • dd121

        Father Coughlin, the Lord will reward you!

        • Fathercoughlin

          Oh He has,my son,He has!

  • NotTooSwift

    Tyrone: 2+2=5

    Jose’ Luis: Job App: 1. Attempted rape; 2. Three DUI’s, no driver’s license.

    Case closed.

    • RisingReich

      You could mix and match any of those in any combination between Tyrone and Jose – and still be correct.

  • Groovy

    “more financial aid, lower college costs”. This is the way to guarantee higher college costs

    • borogirl54

      What is the point if they flunk out of college? How is more financial aid and lower college costs going to help them in that situation?

    • RisingReich

      That’s absolutely correct. It is the student loan program itself that is facilitating the horrendous cost inflation. If it wasn’t for loans, the Universities would have long priced out 90% of the population and would have been forced to keep prices in the realm of reason, or face dwindling enrollments.

      Without the loans, people would look at the price tag, shrug, and pursue other avenues.

      • Those student loans have a catch: not even bankruptcy gets one out of having to pay, so not only is the loan money available for people to get unmarketable degrees in Gender Grievance Studies, Ethnic Grievance Studies and the like, but the borrowers are completely on the hook.

  • MekongDelta69

    Here’s the answer Duncan:

    IQIQIQIQIQ

  • RealisticGuy

    Maybe it’s because people don’t want to employ felons.

    • A Freespeechzone

      As I recall, the socialist, communist liberals want to force employers to hire felons–not allowing them to ‘discriminate’ against convicted criminals.

      • I’ll bet anything you like that lesbian, vegetarian, communist feminazis could find all sorts of reasons as to why they should not have to hire Darnell the Serial Rapist to work at Starbucks for them.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    The astonishing extent to which American education has been degraded by the effort to accommodate black underachievement is succinctly addressed in a presentation by Steve Farron on his book The Affirmative Action Hoax (see featured book at top right of this page). Farron was addressing the Preserving Western Civilization conference in Baltimore in 2009.

    One can easily hear Farron expound on this theme by googling the conference and “participating speakers”. Teaser: What happened to Harvard Medical School? You won’t believe what they did to get the “diverse” results they desired!

  • While at the university I was put on committees like this one. The idea here is to give the administration the cover to launch new “strategic initiatives” (a favorite libtard phrase) which involves giving grant money to professors, community based organizations like La Raza, government agencies, etc.
    It’s all about the money, baby. Any spillover that demonizes whites is just icing on the cake.

  • JohnEngelman

    They know the answers. Will they keep suppressing them?

  • So CAL Snowman

    “Duncan will also ask how to improve the graduation rate, and proposes
    more financial aid, lower college costs, and better guidance when
    applying to college as possible answers. It also proposes shorter
    pathways to a high wage career, and a culturally relevant educational
    environment as other possible answers.”

    How were Whites able to accomplish everything in our history without all of these insane crutches? How does one propose a shorter pathway to a high wage career? Just make the first african you see on the street your CEO?

    If the Africans want a culturally relevant environment they can always go to school in Detroit or Africa or you know one of the many HBCUs.

  • borogirl54

    The problem is that most of these students are not academically qualified to attend college. But in order to meet racial quotas, schools will admit them and try to get them into a tutoring program. However, most of them will end dropping because they run out of money or have flunked out of college. I hate to say it but many of them would be better off learning a trade than attending college.

    • cherrie greenbaum123

      There’s nothing wrong with learning a trade. This “Everybody has to go to college” business is just that, a business. A college degree means nothing today due to the fact that any negro who wants one can get an Affirmative Action Diploma. The only thing the schools see is dollar signs when they see Buckwheat and LaSheetra coming in the door.

      • Anna Tree

        (This is a comment I post in yahoo when there are articles on education)
        Indeed, not everybody is built for academic studies. I think that the educational approach in the US and Canada and in all the countries where kids are forced to stay in the academic path, is flawed. The US educational approach ends disadvantaging children who are not successful in the school system AND children who are when it forces them together in the classroom.

        In my country of origin, the sorting comes around 13 years old. Those who have low scores, the will and their parents agreement will be redirected to a trades school. Like all other children, they will continue their schooling until they are 16, including language, math, science etc BUT not as in depth as in the academic path. Their success will also be
        primarily rated from their trades courses marks not the academic ones.
        They learn trades and specialize in one. They get a apprenticeship with a
        local company and learn a profession that will make them as happy and
        productive as children who stayed in the more academic path. If not more. It is not a question of intellect or social status. Most, if not all, after finishing their studies, work and some actually will be richer than those who continued to university, and with less debt if at all. It is just that some children don’t want to sit and learn, or can’t, they want to built, work with their hands, earn already money, work in the family business etc

        But of course for some it is a question of intellect. When it is the case, it is even more heartbreaking! It must be awful to be reminded every day that you understand and achieve less than the other kids in the class. And that for 10 years!!!

        • cherrie greenbaum123

          Sounds like a common sense approach to the situation, which is why it won’t be followed in the states. Used to be though. Up until about 1980 or so. Then they cut out wood shop, mechanics, home ec., garage mechanics, etc.

          • Anna Tree

            Yes because now, it’s all about money and politically correctness, it is not anymore about what is the best for the children. It makes absolutely no sense to have a child sit in a classroom when they don’t have the mental faculties for academic studies. In our zeal to be politically correct we now spend disproportionate amounts of money on serving a subset of a population. Yes, people with disadvantages or disabilities should be helped by society, but not to the detriment of the larger population that is ultimately going to be the ones who are going to provide for them. Now it is all about “having a right to this and a right to that” Everything has become a “right”. We have lost perspective of what is in the best interest of this society as a whole and instead have become entirely focused on what is in our personal best interest and then turn that into “It is our right to have that”.

            Western schools are more interested in socially engineering their students then they are in teaching math, English and science. As long as you graduate high school with a politically correct view of the world, everything is okay.


            In Yahoo, I often slowly move to white racialism comment with:

            One of the problem is that we cannot discuss issues without being called a monster, nazi, racist. Today’s education is a big lie.
            We have been dumbed-down so not very smart people can have self-esteem. And maybe worse, to made us “sheeple”, so we won’t defend rights and freedoms as long as we can watch reality tv. Teachers are no longer allowed to teach challenging curriculum because some students fail to make good marks. Nevertheless, as per the U.S. Dept. of Education, 7% of Detroit 8th graders are proficient in reading, only 4% scored highly enough to be rated “proficient” or better in math. In 1950, Detroit was the wealthiest city in America on a per capita income basis. The demographic changes destroyed the city as I fear it will destroy the country. And Detroit still gets a lot of money: statewide, Detroit’s spending per pupil is in the 91st percentile and DPS teachers are paid at the 96th percentile. (FreeRepublic, NCPA websites etc)

            And it’s not only in Detroit: when John Street was the mayor of
            Philadelphia when on April 13 he bragged to an NAACP audience of 700 about how many blacks he has appointed to his administration. Warming to his task, he boomed out: “Let me tell you: The brothers and sisters are running the city. Oh yes. The brothers and sisters are running this city. Running it! Don’t let nobody fool you; we are in charge of the City of Brotherly Love. We are in charge! We are in charge!” References: Cynthia Burton, Street Talk Hits a Nerve on Race, Philadelphia Inquirer, April 17, 2002, couldn’t find this on-line anymore as well, only in John F. Street’s wiki article in the policy chapter.

            I think it’s not only the decline in education or that the parents don’t care, sometimes it is just a question of IQ. It is sad, but the truth is sad/harsh sometimes… it’s nevertheless the truth. Black have lower score than Hispanics who have lower scores than whites who have lower scores than Asians. As long as we don’t accept the truth, how can we improve the situation or at least make the best of it? Some people are not enough intelligent for academic studies and should go to trades etc, to find where they can be their best. Right now, because of our political correctness, wishful thinking, self-projection, affirmative action etc not only those people are lied to and lie to themselves and feel untitled to get a university degree when they shouldn’t have passed grade 6, but they lower the level of education for those who are smart enough to learn more and better.

            The herd is held back to accommodate the weakest member… just the opposite of the way things work in nature. No wonder that the US scores lower and lower in international studies. Especially that in my opinion, sadly the diverse herd of today is not the herds of the yesteryear when America was great and … homogeneous. The common denominator of today is not the common denominator existing in the 50s or 60s. It is going down to the mean of the common denominators of the countries the immigrants are coming from.. each year more of them, then each year, lower… In my opinion the trend will sadly get worse, and in Europe too, as their demographics are changing too.

          • cherrie greenbaum123

            One long, hard, sober look at Philly and you can readily tell it’s run by negroes. They’ve been running huge deficits for years. The crime is absolutely off-the-charts. Speaking of schools, the latest little scandal is Cayuga Elementary in one of the darkest, crime infested neighborhoods in Philly. The principal gave instructions to the staff OVER THE P.A. telling them how they should cheat when they were getting ready to administer the tests to the kids. More money ain’t gonna solve this one.

        • IstvanIN

          I don’t want retarded plumbers and auto mechanics.

          • MooTieFighter

            I would pit my mechanics and plumbers real world intelligence against most now graduating from college.

      • MooTieFighter

        Agreed. We used to have the balls to tell some people they were not college material and fail them if they did not do well. Now you better cross your T’s and dot your I’s if you even consider failing a minority. Much easier to fail a white than a minority, same goes with firing from a job.

      • PvtCharlieSlate

        No, there’s nothing wrong with learning a trade. However, based on what I’ve observed over my working lifetime, I wouldn’t trust a black to perform regular maintenance on or operate even a simple single-cylinder, slide-valve steam engine.

    • MooTieFighter

      You shouldn’t hate to say it. When I was in college, it was pretty much those that really done well in high school. Now essentially anyone shows up and will be given a degree. If the curriculum gets too tough, they just change their degree to something essentially worthless, run up a tab, and still expect management and high paying jobs when they get out. I have more respect for my hard working mechanic than I do many with their useless masters/doctorates. Some are now simply using college as a way to put off real work, and draw a check in the process.

  • bubo

    The answer no doubt will be to send them all to “college” at the taxpayers expense, graduate them with “hip hop” degrees and employ them in the super massive jobs program known as the government.

  • John R

    Why are young black and Hispanic men more likely to have unfavorable contact with law enforcement? Hmmm, tough, let me think…(be patient, people)…maybe its because they are more likely to be (drum roll) CRIMINALS! There. Took some thinking, but I think I got the answer! Impressed with my insight?

    • Jesse_from_Sweden

      Nonono no and no.
      You see, in this country we have presumption of innocence, that you are innocent until proven guilty.
      Therefore, they are not criminals the first time they have a run-in with the police, but are presumed innocent.

      See?
      It must be because of racism, because you only become a criminal AFTER you’ve been arrested AND convicted.
      If it wasn’t for racism and a biased justice system, they wouldn’t become criminals in the first place (ie wouldn’t get caught and convicted, making them convicted criminals instead of just people who committed a crime).

      • John R

        Are you really from Sweden? If you are, I’ll give you some excuse for your thinking that way. Otherwise, you should know better. Anyway, stick around. I see we have our work cut out to educate you.

        • Jesse_from_Sweden

          Yes, or maybe I can educate you in the finer points of sarcasm….

          • John R

            Sorry. I didn’t realize you were being sarcastic. My bad. But, in my defense, you should realize that extreme leftists are so off the wall in their philosophy that it is actually difficult to caricature them without appearing to be in agreement with them. Usually people on this site will say something like (sarcasm) to let the reader know. Hope that clears it up, peace!

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    What we need here is another trillion dollar study…or we could accept the fact-based and rational conclusion that they have average 80 IQs and poor impulse control and save ourselves a ton of money.

    They have to…

    √ pass drug tests

    √ .pass a criminal background checks (although this is changing)

    √ have a high school diploma

    √ arrive on time

    √ speak understandable English

    Well, how many young black and Hispanic males does just THAT eliminate?

    And, the businesses that hire blacks and Hispanics know the liability is extremely high; they’ll never, ever be able to fire a black or Hispanic worker.

    The conclusion they’ll come up with is the same one they always do:

    Despite AA, free rides, special programs costing trillions, It’s THE MAN keeping them down, always THE MAN.

  • IstvanIN

    There was an undercover show a few years back where they had people apply for entry-level minimum wage type jobs. Even the blacks didn’t hire blacks.

    • tlk244182

      In my experience, high-functioning Blacks in supervisory positions have even less patience with them than we do.

      • benvad

        They can say something without jeopardizing their livelihood, unfortunately we’re policed by our own unmercifully.

        Makes me wonder who the real idiots are.

      • PvtCharlieSlate

        … high-functioning blacks in supervisory positions???

    • MooTieFighter

      If the blacks that are doing the hiring will reap the financial/advancement rewards of good help, they would be crazy if they hired blacks.

  • none of your business

    Foregone conclusion of the conference; police, like school officials should just stop arresting blacks and hispanics.

  • Alexandra1973

    Because of the content of their character!

  • Brian

    Somewhere, a turnip truck is missing its Arne Duncan.

  • MBlanc46

    IQ.

  • You know how it goes . . .there are one or two bright ones, and the rest are feral monsters..

  • What exactly do they do to prepare themselves for entry into the job market in the first place? Being able to swear like a drunk sailor with Tourette Syndrome is not exactly a valuable career skill. Dress standards that would simultaneously embarrass both a circus clown and a homeless transient do not make one “office material”. Having tattoos one’s face isn’t, either. Neither does claiming that computers are “racist” because they are too hard to use, and that they should be “easy, like TV”. Finally, running an attitude at the interview – as if a job is some sort of entitlement, rather than an opportunity – is guaranteed to quickly leave any prospective employer looking for someone else.

  • benvad

    Even if all the whites magically disappeared in a moments noticed and blacks inherited the USA, they’d be in starvation mode by the end if the year.

    They’re parasites who need to feed off a host, that’s how they exist.

    • They would not only be starving, but if Africa is any indication, they would also be:

      1. Abducting and selling into slavery each other’s daughters.
      2. Chopping each other’s hands and feet off for no reason in particular.
      3. Necklacing each other for “witchcraft”.
      4. Eating each other.
      5. Conscripting young boys to fight in their permanent state of armed disorder.
      6. Poaching already endangered animals into extinction.
      7. Stealing and then re-selling UN aid of every sort.

      This list is by no means intended to be complete.

      • benvad

        It’s only the tip of the iceberg, Mr. Scott

  • MooTieFighter

    Research it, discuss it, ponder it, we all know the REAL answers. We are different. Why must Americans force every ethnicity to be equal and alike when we are not? I have worked with blacks, went to school with blacks, been in restaurants/theatres/parks/stores with blacks. I have worked in law enforcement and medicine. We are SO different. This is just a tactic to find something white people need to change, never those that are really responsible.

  • Einsatzgrenadier

    “Hispanics”, or more accurately mestizos and indios, are having a hard time in the job market, yet the majority of immigrants come from Latin America and will continue coming from this source region into the foreseeable future. And these people, our future overlords, are being handed the United States on a silver platter, without a single shot being fired. Does this make any sense? Those responsible for this catastrophe are traitors.

  • As usual, there is no sense that these people are responsible for their own lives. The cause is always external.

  • disqus_irCdmAu8It

    The answer is simple – they put more effort into being gangsters and no effort into getting an education.

  • Dubyasee

    I once worked in a plastic injection mold making plant. Out of the 60 plus employees, there was one black man who worked on the manufacturing floor. From time to time, he would wear a t-shirt that had the faces of several Black activists on the front. On the back was written, “its a Black thing, you wouldn’t understand.”

    One particular time I remember, he kept scrapping a relatively simple part he’d been assigned to make for an upcoming mold making project. After looking into the problem I tried to relate to him the simple Trigonometric calculation error that was the source of his troubles. Repeated explanations only seemed to make him more and more stubbornly resistant to the solution. Finally in exasperation, I threw up my hands and exclaimed, “it’s a White thing, you wouldn’t understand!”

    My joking acknowledgment of the reality of the situation that would probably get me fired or disciplined today, only brought on knowing chuckles and nods of agreement from my co workers in the early 90s.

  • Herman

    Duncan seems to have a lot of questions but not too many answers.
    So why was he made Secretary of Education?
    Of course maybe he knows the answers but doesn’t want to say.