Asians Rally Against SCA 5, Call It Revival of Affirmative Action

Zen Vuong, Pasadena Star-News, March 8, 2014

Asians in the San Gabriel Valley and beyond joined forces Friday to rally against a proposed Senate constitutional amendment that they said would punish their children for working hard to achieve the American Dream.

Olivia Liao, president of the Joint Chinese University Alumni Association, said Senate Constitutional Amendment No. 5 is racist because it allows public education institutions to give preferential treatment on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin.

“(Legislators) feel like the Chinese-American community isn’t paying attention to politics,” Liao said. “We are concerned citizens. We need to stand up when things are not right; we need to be heard. We shouldn’t have any (exceptions) related to race. After all, America is a free country.”

State Sen. Ed Hernandez, D-West Covina, is sponsoring SCA 5, an amendment that would repeal portions of Proposition 209, which prohibited discrimination against people based on their unchangeable identities. If passed, the amendment would allow public education institutions to give preferential treatment on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin.

About 65 people—including 11 current and elected officials from San Gabriel, Monterey Park, San Marino, Claremont and Walnut—agreed that affirmative action ended with the November 1996 passage of Prop. 209. Bringing the program back, they said, would lower the ranking of the UCs and Cal States.

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Yet Marina Tse, a former deputy assistant secretary of the U.S. Department of Education, said SCA 5 would create racial division.

“This kind of program needs to be established at the high school level, not at the university level,” she said. “It has the possibility of encouraging administrators and officials to discriminate based on skin color. It has a negative impact on high-performing students and Chinese students. We need to put merit and academic performance as a priority.”

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By Friday evening, about 96,500 people signed a Change.org petition asking the California State Assembly to vote no on SCA 5.

Among the amendment’s supporters are the American Association of University Women, American Civil Liberties Union, Southeast Asia Resource Action Center and California Teachers Association.

From 1995 to 1998—using pre- and post-Prop. 209 findings—the number of blacks, Latinos and Native Americans in the University of California all declined, according to the most recent online data from the UC Office of the President. Yet the number of Asians rose by 12 percent in the same time period.

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  • Eagle_Eyed

    Interesting. At least some Asians aren’t okay with moving aside for dull sun people. Of course I’d point out to those Asians that there is no affirmative action or blacks or browns in the Orient. Something to think about, Marina.

    • Northerner

      There’s no affirmative action for blacks in the Orient because they don’t have a significant population of them.

  • Kit Ingoldby

    No doubt they will be appeased with some concession at the expense of the evil White people.

    • Pro_Whitey

      Good point. These are not allies we’re talking about here. They will play both sides of the street.

  • JohnEngelman

    Orientals have benefited from the end of affirmative action. They do not need special preferences.

    • So CAL Snowman

      I forgot that Western nations are stealing technology and military secrets from the Chinese because we are unable to develop it ourselves. Oh wait . . .

      • Chip Carver

        Another thing the perpetual college student never mentions is that when a white and Asian with equal qualifications (and even when the white has slightly better qualifications) are up for admission to a university, the Asian will in fact get the nod. Period. When Asians gripe about Affirmative Action, they never mention being compared to Whites. The tribe keeps many facts out of focus by counting their own as White when it comes to these matters. Yet they are so entrenched, their children no longer work that hard, no longer need top test scores and grades. They get in via ethnic networking, dad hitting the “Harvard Number”, you all know the route. Then their numbers, with their less than max credentials, are “credited” toward Whites. Then these wonderful people network with non-whites, and behind closed doors make sure the first thing out of their mouths is “…we’re not white, we’re with you. We want to take them down.” This is not made up, it’s been told to me by more than one non-white. The tribe and their policies do in fact impact Asians negatively when it comes to college admissions. Separate Whites from the tribe, and you see that Whites are getting the short end of the stick, every single time. As has been mentioned before, Kevin MacDonald and Ron Unz have crunched the numbers and have shown what’s going on, and it’s always conveniently ignored or twisted by usual trolls.

    • Extropico

      They do indeed get affirmative action through a highly discriminatory and unilateral mass immigration preference.

      • JohnEngelman

        You sound like a black person blaming black poverty on white racism. Orientals earn their achievements and their high incomes.

        • Extropico

          Falderal. One way mass migration is a form of discrimination. You just have to think for yourself to see it.

          An analogous migration into China would be 4 million nonAsians per annum with affirmative action benefits for the nonAsian migrants. You wouldn’t recognize China in a single generation.

          • Bossman

            Very few white people are ready to pack their bags and head out to East Asia and South Asia. But all of East Asia and South Asia would like to come to North America. That motivation is strong enough to make them study very hard.

          • Jon Doe

            lol…apparently you have never been to China, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing etc. it is overrun by foreigners. It is soo bad the Chinese actually had to reform their immigration policy to only allow visitors limited 90 day visa. Blacks were primarily to blame for this new immigration crackdown. As always they come for cheap goods but end up overstaying and engaging illegal activities. I wish more Americans knew about Global activities instead of believing we are the center of all creation. Seriously, just google or youtube this stuff, europeans and americans are getting paid in China. You guys… smh…

          • JohnEngelsman

            That’s what I’m trying to tell them! White people aren’t the center of the universe! They are in fact second class people, second tier in comparison to Orientals and the Ashkenazi.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            It would never be allowed in China. The Chinese shoot invaders. We should emulate them.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Unless the import is an American job.

        • So CAL Snowman

          Please take a tour of the city of Irvine. I’m sure all of those geriatric asians from the rice paddies of Vietnam “earned” those high end Lexus, BMWs, and Mercedes autos that they so love.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            They are all scamming The Refugee Act of 1980.
            Same thing on the east coast. This equates to having
            a high IQ to the Rabbi. He’s not wired to understand
            honor and integrity. If you lie, cheat, and steal–and don’t
            get caught–you have a high IQ and should be commended.

          • Greg Thomas

            Take a drive into Garden Grove and see the same thing. You will see plenty of elderly Vietnamese, (many who do not speak a word of English and spent their formative years squatting in some rice paddy) driving high end luxury vehicles.

          • JohnEngelsman

            Those elderly VietCong earned those automobiles and SSI checks by using their superior intelligence. It doesn’t matter if they never worked a day in this country and collect freebies. They are your natural masters and should be treated as such.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          You are wrong like you are about so many things.

          Asians benefit PLENTY from AA. Ethnic filipinos, vietnamese, cambodians, and pacific islanders get plenty of direct AA for college admissions while east asians get plenty of scholarships just because of their race, unlike any White student:

          httpCOLON//wwwDOTscholarshipsDOTcom/fi…

          Moreover, ALL asians benefit from affirmative action just because of their race in GOVERNMENT OUTREACH CAMPAIGNS, TRAINING PROGRAMS, JOB RECRUITMENT, MANAGEMENT DEVELOPMENT, FEDERAL CONTRACTS as well as from all federal contractors and subcontractors.

          Whites, especially White men who aren’t veterans or disabled, get none of these racial quotas, and it’s about time that this recurring myth that “asians don’t benefit from any affirmative action” dies on Amren once and for all.

          Chinese for Affirmative Action:

          httpCOLON//wwwDOTcaasfDOTorg/

          • JohnEngelman

            Because Orientals have higher average IQ’s, SAT scores, and ACT scores than white Gentiles they do not need affirmative action. Orientals who support affirmative action are foolish.

            I use the word “Oriental” rather than “Asian” to distinguish between Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese from the rest.

          • Jotun Hunter

            being wrong doesn’t dissuade the engel-machine from endlessly voicing his trite opinions on asian/jew superiority.

          • JohnEngelman

            They are not trite. They are scientifically valid.

          • Jotun Hunter

            ah, Engelman, you got me once again with your vast repertoire of narcissistic one liners. Favouring contemporary american SAT scores over historic or even present day actual achievement is trite. Cute even. Numbers of patents registered is not equal in value to patenting something worthwhile or creatively useful. The ability to learn and imitate a Mozart suite is not the same as being mozart.

          • JohnEngelman

            According to contemporary evidence which I have posted here, the Orientals tend to be more intelligent than European Gentiles, and more creative. This means that they have more potential for future development both in the Far East, and in the United States..

            The superior intelligence of the Orientals can be explained by the fact that China, Korea, and Japan never experienced a dark ages. During the dark ages in Europe, European evolution turned back on itself. Intelligence became less important to prolificacy than violent aptitudes and inclinations. This is why whites have higher crime rates than Orientals.

            Also, the Orientals did not have a celibate priesthood. For centuries intelligent peasant boys in Europe entered the Roman Catholic priesthood, and were forbidden to have children.

            While this was happening, intelligent peasant boys in China were passing the imperial exams, and joining the scholar gentry. They were expected to have several wives, and many children.

          • Jotun Hunter

            that is the weakest thing you have said to date. You have stated all kinds of rubbish, many times, that doesn’t make it true. To say the asians are ‘creative’ is a joke that you’ve been spanked over many times now. Again your propagandize, you weaken your opponents by sheer belligerence as they don’t have the effort to respond AGAIN to all your limp wristed, dodgy, irrational and unalterable viewpoints. What does ‘contemporary’ evidence mean – sat scores again? Vs all of history again? history just doesnt exist for you. I’m not sure the present does either. If the chinese are so unstopably amazing why can’t they be from china – and turn that place into a utopia – if its so obvious that they are about to foist this brilliant future on us with their genius? why must we experiment with them doing it over here as well? Does that make sense? Celibacy is a ridiculous, meaningless point furthermore ridiculed by the fact many buddhist monk sects were celibate.

            So china, which so recently under Mao suffered the world history record in civilans killed by their own government, never had a dark age eh?

            You really have to step up your arguments if your going to continue on this same tack for this long.

          • JohnEngelman

            I do not need to derogate those with whom I disagree by using terms and phrases like “weakest thing,” “rubbish,” “a joke that you’ve been spanked over many times,” “propagandize,” “limp wristed, dodgy, irrational and unalterable viewpoints,” etc.

            This is because I am confident in the truth of my opinions. I suspect that those who get angry at me also know that what I say is true. They become angry because they do not like to be reminded that they do not belong to the master race.

          • Jotun Hunter

            I’m not angry – I’m having a great time. All you do is self-claim that you ‘have spoken the truth’ – but you don’t even have convincing points — today it seems you have virtually no points at all. You have to expect my humorous insults when you behave in such a bullyish, unfriendly and (depsite what you think) utterly undisciplined fashion, let alone presenting arguments about the inferiority or deserved extinction of my own kind. And then doubly so in light of the lies required to make whites look ‘inferior’. I’m sorry, but you really are a menace.

          • SoulInvictus

            I love how this guy outright claims “supremacy” despite history.
            Old world (truly semitic) hebrews pioneered nothing. Absolutely nothing. Even he couldn’t refute that.
            Yet the people that produce Plato, Caesar, Tesla, Bacon, Jefferson & Twain…and explore space, are inferior. Because… SAT scores. Ok.
            Personally, I’m not going to bother responding to him anymore, other than possibly a “Yawn, you’re still here?”

            I was watching “The Councillor” and immediately thought of Engelbert when there was a scene in which an elderly sephardic takes credit for jewish creation of western civilization. Right…

          • Jotun Hunter

            ha – that’s good. Sometimes I get enormous personal kicks out of ending his monotony though. It’s fine to ignore him too but when you see ‘guests’ upvoting him one feels compelled to shout a warning. His weird facade of ‘harmless old guy’

          • SoulInvictus

            There’s always that one stray “guest” upvote isn’t there. 😉 lol… pathetic.
            One brief look at the world or slightest knowledge of history gives clarity. It must suck not to be white, because the only people that even begin to rival our fascinating history and rich heritage are the Japanese. The Chinese are like ants, occasionally building monolithic anthills and governments. The Africans, …are what they are, unevolved savages. Middle easterners had potential, but that close proximity to the dark continent killed off their early algebra inventing DNA days. And the best thing the Hebrews ever accomplished was mixing their genes with whites to become smarter mulattoes. They truly hit the genetic lottery landing in Germany to mix there. That’s really the only way you can explain going from being a completely uncreative people for thousands of years and then poof, Einstein.
            German DNA, it’s a hell of a drug.

          • Jotun Hunter

            ha, it’s all so true – and worse….. so OBVIOUS — we used to take this for granted as common knowledge, now we’ve been swindled into having to ludicrously defend this position — and against other ‘race realists’ to boot! I suppose we never fare better than under extreme duress and pressure, so bring it on.

          • SoulInvictus

            If you want to get into some interesting fringe history, read on the ancient Hindus. There’s decent evidence that the caste system was racial and that the Brahmin were white. The lowest class were the “raceless ones” (mixed). Ancient scriptures talk about airships, aerial battles, and nuclear sounding weapons.

            Even more off topic, collapse of the US is frequently a topic here and I thought you’d find this interesting.
            “Small-scale power grid attack could cause nationwide blackout, study says”
            http://wwwDOTfoxnewsDOTcom/politics/2014/03/13/us-risks-national-blackout-from-power-grid-attack-study-says/?intcmp=latestnews

            Experts say a coordinated attack on as few as 9 substations could cause the power grid to be down for as long as 18 months. I can’t fathom the chaos that would ensue from a solid year of no electricity. There’s no way some radical Islamists and environmentalists didn’t read that and get some ideas.

          • Jotun Hunter

            It could be the best that that happened to us – no TV for over a year? We’d be back on our feet in no time. And yes, those are indeed the types of things I would find interesting – thanks buddy

          • JohnEngelsman

            The old world hebrews did shape Western Civilization. Their act of opening the gates to the Moslems was one of kindness. This allowed the influx of science into Europe, since all science is actually from the East. The Crusades actually were a negative on Europe in the long run. I have well over 20 years of college learning now, all of it gained while pursuing knowledge in various subjects.

          • SoulInvictus

            Yawn, you’re still here?

          • JohnEngelsman

            Maybe whites are more creative, but maybe that’s a sign of lower intelligence in itself. Asians and non-gentile Caucasians are more focused on higher level matter and maybe don’t have the time to indulge in creativity because their problem solving skills are constantly at work on major problems.

          • SoulInvictus

            Yawn, yep you’re still here…

            “…whites are more creative, but maybe that’s a sign of lower intelligence in itself…(then more asian & tribe felating)”

            One of the most absolutely idiotic things I’ve ever read.
            You discredit yourself more with every post.

          • “They become angry because they do not like to be reminded that they do not belong to the master race.”

            Jewish Supremacy does not work on this website. It is futile and desperate. You might as well try to convince us that the skies are yellow and the grass purple.

            People are just actually sick of your nonsense. When exactly are you going to realise that?

          • JohnEngelman

            This book review originally appeared on this American Renaissance website. It was condemned, by the way, on Stormfront. Richard Lynn has spoken at American Renaissance conferences.

            ———-

            Why are Jews so successful?

            Richard Lynn, The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement, Washington Summit Publishers, 2011, 408 pp. soft cover $39.00, hard cover $60.00.

            The Chosen People: A study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement is the most recent work of Richard Lynn dealing with group differences in IQ and their ramifications. As in all of his previous work over the past decade, he substantiates his arguments with huge quantities of empirical data. He advances his positions dispassionately and lets the facts speak for themselves, which they do in impressive, nearly irrefutable fashion. In his previous books he examined racial and ethnic differences in IQ for many groups.The Chosen People is a case study of one distinct group that has shown remarkably similar patterns of achievement in a wide variety of settings.

            Professor Lynn begins by pointing out the extraordinary success of Jews in almost every field. In the 19th century the restrictions that had prevented most Jews from advanced nonreligious study began to be lifted in most of Western Europe, and by mid-century, “people began to observe that Jews were outstandingly successful, and began to speculate that this was attributable to their intellect.”

            Prof. Lynn writes:

            [Jews] arrived as penniless refugees unable to speak the languages of their new countries; they were the “huddled masses” from the most backward region of Europe. Yet by the middle decades of the 20th century, the children and grandchildren of these immigrants were doing far better than their Gentile hosts on all indices of socioeconomic status and earnings and outperforming them by several orders of magnitude in obtaining elite academic distinction . . . .

            The development of IQ tests confirmed the impression that Jews were unusually intelligent, and Professor Lynn’s extensive review of the literature indicates that Jews in the US have an average IQ of 110 compared to 100 for other Europeans. This would help account for their outstanding performance in a variety of fields. Though Jews are only about 0.2 percent of the world population, half the world’s chess grandmasters, for example, and 16 percent of Nobel Prize winners for science have been Jews. For Professor Lynn, the purpose of his book “is to document and explain such achievements.”…

            Byron M. Roth, American Renaissance, November 2011

            ———-

            In his March 2, 2014 review of Nicholas Wade’s book, “Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race, and Human History” Jared Taylor wrote: “Mr. Wade makes the crucial point that what is known as “national character” is undoubtedly genetic, and that is why group behavior is consistent. Jews prosper everywhere they go. So do overseas Chinese…

            “Mr. Wade includes a chapter on the superior intelligence of Jews”

    • APaige

      They had and still do benefit from affirmative action. The Bakke case the university of California had set-asides for minorities, including Asians. Today, for example, Asians qualify for the Gates Foundation scholarship, among others. According to the U.S Department of Labor Compliance Program “American Indian or Alaskan Native, Asian or Pacific Islander, Black, and Hispanic individuals are considered minorities.” So there are Asian companies receiving racial benefits from the U.S government.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        They still get preferential treatment at federal contractors.
        In the hiring, sustaining, and promotion areas. I don’t recall a single Asian getting purged during the Diversity purge I was subjected to.

        • LHathaway

          What was your field, again, Andrew? Am I remembering correctly you worked for some kind of government contractor?

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Defense contractor (manufacturing)

        • JohnEngelsman

          OK, I will admit that Asians and non-gentile Caucasians receive preference in a lot of areas. But that is because of their superiority.

    • JSS

      I would add that White nations don’t need any Asians.

      • Ringo Lennon

        Whites don’t need anyone. What they need is to be left alone.

        • Jotun Hunter

          It would seem a simple enough thing – why is it so hard? Where is our impetus to survive? it is this awful mob mentality. Consumerism, television, luxury, weakness… our success has been our undoing.

      • Bossman

        The immigration pattern is totally asymmetrical; it is all away from Asia and into North America and Europe.

      • I needed only one.

      • I would be very lonely without Sayaka, and probably howl at the moon or something.

        • Shut up about your bloody wife.

        • JohnEngelman

          Fortunately, you do not need to.

      • JohnEngelman

        We need their superior intelligence.

  • D.B. Cooper

    Don’t be fooled. The Chinese want what blacks and Mexicans already get in Affirmative Action.

    • shawnmer

      Not necessarily, if “affirmative action” translates for them as only a student body reflective of their percentage of the population, when they’re capable of being more than that on their own merit.

    • Northerner

      Wrong. The Chinese can succeed without Affirmative Action. They’re just trying to level the playing field. Let the chips fall where they may.

      • JohnEngelman

        Thank you.

  • Jesse James

    The best thing we can do for Asians to avoid the possibility that they could be harmed by evil white racism or affirmative actions programs designed to help American minorities is to deny them entry into this country. They should stay at home where they can best benefit from their own culture and countries. The American dream is for Americans, until very recently that really didn’t include millions of Asians.

    • Mergatroyd

      Tell Engelman that, he thinks the best thing that could happen to us whites is to be replaced by Asians in the U.S.

      Imagine if one of us whites went to China and demanded “rights” for ourselves in their country. Really, how soon would we have a bullet in the back of our head?

      • Magician

        Specifically, East Asian women.

        • JohnEngelsman

          Yes, I do prefer East Asian women or those of non-gentile Caucasian decent. My tastes are not something I take lightly. I spend much of my free time perusing sites catering to those who prefer Asian women, and when I finally decide to finish my graduate studies, I will probably marry an East Asian woman, much to the chagrin of everyone at this site. That is, if an East Asian woman will have me.

          • Magician

            So you imagine yourself in the arms of a handsome Asian woman like this? Is this the kind what you want?

      • Really, how soon would we have a bullet in the back of our head?

        Oh, very! Faster than you can spin.

    • JohnEngelman

      Orientals have as much right to be here as you do.

      • Jesse James

        Actually they don’t anymore than I have a “right” to move to China, Japan, Malaysia or Bangladesh and declare myself a citizen and immediately demand the right to vote and get a share of their social welfare systems and health care. The only reason that America has such an open immigration system and lax enforcement of illegal residents is because it is no longer a functioning nation state. Instead it has become just another economic zone for the globalist elites and their one world government scheme. I am here by right of birth, conquest and occupation. My family has been here since the earliest days of the Jamestown settlement in Virginia and we have participated in about every war that the old American nation state ever fought. In fact we fought Indians and the French before America was a nation. Because the globalist and the political elites have conspired to steal my birth right and that of my fellow Americans doesn’t mean that they or their Third World dupes are in the right.

  • Encouraging. We should applaud cracks in the non-white coalition. Let the Asians prove to the world that blacks fail not because we whites hold them back, but because of their intrinsically inferior genes. It’s good for whites when asians, Mexicans, and blacks are at each other’s throats. This is good news.

    • slash345

      Agreed.

      The asians could be an asset in combating the blacks and browns.

      • Mergatroyd

        Don’t let your guard down. Asians are NOT pro-white. They care about their people and ONLY their people and won’t hesitate to take resources from whites in white homelands, which, in fact, they’re doing as I’m writing this.

        Google: 24 ways the Chinese are colonizing the US. It’s scary how much Asians are buying up across the U.S. including things like water rights and water sources. Anyone who thinks they’ll share anything with whites needs his head screwed back on. They’d put a bullet in our heads before they’d share “their” resources us.

        • slash345

          I’m perfectly aware of the Asian threat.

          My goal to deal with the other muds.

      • The EAsians would and do assist blacks and browns in the bashing of whites. Don’t kid yourself.

    • John R

      The same way they divide us Whites up against one another.

    • Northerner

      Asians and Blacks aren’t exactly “at each others throats”. By denouncing affirmative action, Asians are just doing what Whites should have been doing all along.

  • DaveMed

    Apparently, the Coalition of the Colored does not treat all “people of color” equally…

  • MekongDelta69

    “Some colors are more equal than other colors” – George Orwell

  • Luca

    “If passed, the amendment would allow public education institutions to give preferential treatment on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin.”

    It would be so much easier if they would just say: “preferential treatment for anyone who votes democratic.”

  • shawnmer

    This might be entertaining. Will they attack Asians as “racist?”

    • You can bet on it. Asians are rapidly being put into the Evil category alongside Evil Whitey.

      • Mergatroyd

        Haven’t seen it yet. If you have any evidence of Asians being called Nazis, Asian Supremacists, etc., for organizing for Asian rights as in newspaper reports or news stories, please provide a link.

        Any whites that tries to organize whites to discuss white civil rights or affirmative action is instantly called a Nazi, it’s all over the papers that the 4th Reich is reforming and anyone who shows any interest has his job threatened.

        • No, Asians are certainly not held to the same insane scrutiny and double standard that whites are, but as it becomes increasingly clear that Asians are overachievers and will continue to be, the jealousy of them will only increase. There’s nothing overt yet, but I have seen little hints of it here and there. It’s just starting now. But Asians have the “advantage” of being looked at realistically as a group of different ethnicities, some of which are underachieving. Whites are never looked at as a variety of differently achieving ethnic groups, unless it serves the anti-white agenda somehow.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    And this is why even the Libtards are trying break up California into 6 states. They have begun eating their young.

  • wildfirexx

    It’s amazing how a special interest group like the east asian community, can organize together (based on their ethnic background), and challenge Affirmative action in America when they feel threatened by discrimination,… but yet the European Caucasian race of generations in America who build this nation, stands by sheepishly, while the arrogant Liberal Back stabbers continually stomp on your human and civil rights.
    When will the White People in America wake up, and challenge their rights and freedoms being denied…under the American Constitution.

    • Mergatroyd

      The marxists that control this country have us over a barrel. What would happen if I were to announce a pro-white rally and community forum about white interests at the local rec center?

      How soon before the ACLU and ADL reported me by name to my employer labeling me a Nazi and White supremacist and demanding that I be fired? I’d say within 1/2 an hour or less.

    • pcmustgo

      But they’d be called “Racist”. And that would be too much for most to bear. Asians aren’t called privileged white racists.

  • JohnEngelman

    Asian students have higher average SAT scores than any other group, including whites. A study by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade examined applicants to top colleges from 1997, when the maximum SAT score was 1600 (today it’s 2400). Espenshade found that Asian-Americans needed a 1550 SAT to have an equal chance of getting into an elite college as white students with a 1410 or black students with an 1100.

    Top schools that don’t ask about race in admissions process have very high percentages of Asian students. The California Institute of Technology, a private school that chooses not to consider race, is about one-third Asian. (Thirteen percent of California residents have Asian heritage.) The University of California-Berkeley, which is forbidden by state law to consider race in admissions, is more than 40 percent Asian–up from about 20 percent before the law was passed.
    http://www.amren.com/news/2011/12/some_asians_col/

    • connorhus

      This just in… Studies show Asian males have very low reproductive chances after being locked up and forced to read “Acing your SAT” during their entire childhood and teenage years. Most say they don’t mind however as all the cute Asian chicks only want White Men anyway and besides it gives em more time to pirate source code and electronics.

      Also Nisei parents and other Asian cultural equivalent groups of second generation Asian children are being investigated for only allowing a small percentage of their offspring to enter academia or take standardized tests. Apparently they are culling their own.

    • Why can’t you construct your own argument?

      • LACountyRedneck

        Good luck with that.

      • JohnEngelman

        I can and I do. I use the internet to post facts.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          You do not post facts, you post your opinions and ignore any facts that refute your narrow world view.

          • JohnEngelman

            Much of what I post comes from this website.

          • Precisely my point!

          • Jotun Hunter

            he’s either:

            1) a retard, or suffering from a mental disorder like ‘extreme narcissism’
            2) on an intentional mission to disrupt

          • Mergatroyd

            Or paid by the ADL. The folks on another site think he is an Israeli prisoner who is being forced to earn his “keep” by posting anti-white screeds on white forums. I don’t doubt that they’re correct.

          • JohnEngelman

            None of the above. I enjoy political arguments.

            Unfortunately, neither of you offers a challenge. It gets tedious to try to discuss serious matters with those whose opinions are not based on knowledge and understanding, but fear, anger, and hatred.

          • Chip Carver

            Not really. For example, as proven by Ron Unz, and he’s not a
            gentile, and Kevin MacDonald, remove a certain group that ensures it is counted as white when convenient from certain statistics, and then you see that whites are the ones who are discriminated against in college admissions, even when outperforming Asians. As for the “white when we want to be crowd”, they no longer need to work hard to get top grades and test scores, as so many of them gain admittance to top tier schools via ethnic networking, cronyism, favoritism, “donations” to schools and the like. But why let facts get in the way? However, cretinous trolls from the “other side” are allowed to run roughshod because certain things are not allowed to be openly discussed on certain forums. Most aware people can see through them.

            You do have to wonder about people who take so much time to post day after day on any particular website. Whether an individual is actually a single person is something amusing to ponder. One can see what certain policies are trying to do in policing remarks, but some very intelligent people simply do not grasp the fact that the folks in charge hate white people. Vehemently. They aim for our destruction, our demise as a people.

            Useful idiots like JE who aas one post intimated was likely someone afraid to go out in the real world are just that, useful idiots. They are simply tools, or in some cases they are clowns following the instructions as stated in “The Playbook” that more than a few of you are aware of. Not allowing discussion of certain people, groups, ideas will not help us in the long run. Culling extreme speech though is necessary at this point. And culling the trolls from the other side should be mandatory. Even here. Our enemies already enjoy the power of the press, the media control. They do not need to be allowed to freely express their thoughts here. Being the “bigger man” and playing fair will not help us. That’s what got us into this mess. Only whites are naive enough to believe in playing fair when it comes to this “game”.

          • JohnEngelman

            When and where are whites outperforming Orientals?

          • Mergatroyd

            You lie, anti-white.

          • JohnEngelman

            Just because I post facts you wish were not true does not mean that I lie.

        • michael holmes

          You have indeed posted good evidence on Asian intelligence and academic achievement but measured by patents and Nobel prizes as well as scientific literature I see no evidence whatsoever of superior Asian creativity. Should you have such evidence I ask you to produce it as I like to know the truth. The only notable exception I have observed is the Japanese electronics industry. Even the Japanese success in the auto industry was based on the adoption, but more rigorous application, of Western theory on just in time production and quality control. On the other hand Japanese are equally capable of ignoring Western experience as seen in their ongoing nuclear power disaster.

          • Chip Carver

            The Japanese benefited most of all from product dumping in the auto and electronics industries. The MITI absorbed losses while Japanese companies priced goods at artificially low prices, allowing them to wipe out competition in the US, and paid off politicians in DC helped out. Yes, Detroit automakers shot themselves in the foot with arrogance, and in fact by hiring so many blacks in the auto plants as well. The Japanese invent very little, in terms of breakthroughs. They will take a Western invention and work and rework it to death, while the bored Westerners have already moved on to the next big idea. Divergent thinking is not a strong suit of Asians. And JE, whomever he or they is, is just another troll here to irritate, here to post comments that the “enemy” wants newcomers to see, to scare them off. Amren really shouldn’t bother with allowing the other side to comment anymore. They don’t allow our comments on their media sites, so the hell with being even-handed.

      • Jotun Hunter

        he has no real cognitive creativity – perhaps I have it wrong and instead of jewish he’s actually asian? At least a jew would have creative flourish.

        • SoulInvictus

          I had a similar thought. There’s a noticeable lack of humor or wisdom. Most jews I’ve known in real life, or follow in the media, demonstrate at least a little of both.
          They’re also usually likable people… one of my favorite places to eat was a little spot we jokingly called “jew deli”. The little old man that owned/ran the place was enjoyable company and made great food.
          I really hate when I run into an Engelbert (known a few of those too) because it sours your taste for them as surely as ghetto blacks do for their folk.
          But then the Engelberts of the world are the ones that constitute the problem. Their mentality and the wealthier ones that act on that mindset, are their own worst enemies.

      • Mergatroyd

        He has a chip implanted in his brain by his anti-white handlers, he’s only writing what the chip tells him to which is why he repeats himself endless on thread after thread, is impervious to facts and data that show he is wrong and takes up where he left off with the same, exact “debate” on the next thread.

    • wildfirexx

      If the asians are so much more intelligent than us (the white guy) why have they not been more involved in inventions over the centuries, and in running the country publicly and privately ?
      Not to discredit their hard work, but I believe because their cultural long studious attitude (while the white guy is out partying) allows them to get higher grades on average than whites.
      I think intelligence can’t be solely based on knowledge from long hours of studying, and good mathematical skills, but also genuine intuition on problem solving in all aspects of life.
      It’s not just a coincidence that Europeans have been the masters of the universe for the last 2000 years or so!

      • connorhus

        Anyone who has been to the Orient would know what they claim as the intelligent Asians are only a small minority of the best of them all. Asians may score better as a group in tests because they only allow the cream of the crop to even bother taking those tests but Caucasians still end up with the highest overall scores historically.

      • On the average, I will concede that it is likely that Asians (Orientals, really) have higher IQ’s than Whites. I have considered them to be, by-and-large, my best competition in academics. However, there is much to be said for functional intelligence and the ability to create great works that Whites have a monopoly on.

        • Mergatroyd

          Anyone who goes on about Asian IQ and Asian superiority, ask them where the empirical evidence is for their great breakthroughs, discoveries and inventions?

          They’ll ask you this using a white language and white technology powered by a white-created electrical system.

          It’s laughable and childish for anyone to claim that Asians are superior to whites. This “argument” is getting old here and I’m surprised that it keeps coming up on a white interest site. I wonder if Asians prattle on about white superiority.

      • JohnEngelman

        Europeans have only dominated the world since the Renaissance. During the middle ages China and the Arab world were more advanced.

        For various reasons, including the entry of Negro genes because of the Arab slave trade, the Arab world is in what seems to be terminal decline. The Far East is ascendant.

        • connorhus

          So I guess Greek and Roman dominance over Africa,the Middle East and Alexander pushing his way into India just never happened? Imagine that a bunch of non-ascendant scattered Kingdoms managed to take and hold Jerusalem. Antioch, Cypress, etc. for how long? Boot the Muslims outta Spain and oh let’s not forget the Visigoths rolling through N. Africa after Rome began falling either.

          And Europeans managed to do all that before the Renaissance too.

          • JohnEngelman

            In between that and the Renaissance was the dark ages and the middle ages.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            What about the Byzantine empire?

          • JohnEngelman

            It survived until 1453, but it was retrospective. When the Ottomans captured Constantinople it was the Ottomans, rather than the Byzantines, who had cannons.

          • When Christians won at Lepanto in 1571, the captured Turkish and Egyptian cannon were melted down for scrap; they were just garbage.

          • Jotun Hunter

            this is where you tend to become a bit of a serious joke, when you stray outside of copying and pasting SAT scores — inventions of the european ‘dark ages’:

            Spectacles, Clock, Hour glass, Minute Glass, Printing Press, Sun dial, Compass , Traverse Boards , Astrolabes, Cross-staffs, Nocturnals, Quadrants, Almanacs, Oars, The Rudder, Artesian wells, Mills, Windmills, Wheelbarrow, Horseshoes, Horsecollar, Moldboard Plough, Stirrups , The Bit and Bridle , The high-backed saddle , Siege weapons , The Lance , The Longbow , The Crossbow , The Flail , Chainmail Armor

            spectacles and crossbows alone constitute insane breakthroughs (spectacles leading to lenses for telescopes and microscopes which were not asian inventions either, surprise, surprise)

            to say nothing of the glory of gothic architecture, which your non creative mind probably doesn’t appreciate

          • Jotun Hunter

            and even regards gunpowder it was really roger bacon in 1249 who came up with the real deal, I forgot sawmills, scales for weighing, the piano, the trigger,oil painting, muzzle loaded rifles, whiskey, bell chimes, bottled beer (imporant one) – and more!

          • r j p

            It’s a Wonerful Race:
            www(dot)tomatobubble(dot)com/wonderfulrace1(dot)html

          • Martel

            Excellent post. Speaking of Islamic architecture, it as all based on the craftsmanship of the Byzantines and the visigoths.

          • Mergatroyd

            The British created the Industrial Revolution out of nothing. How is that possible without brilliant Asians and Arabs to help them? According to Engelman, we whites are inferior to Asians and therefore should allow them to race-replace us in our homelands.

            I’m sure those “nice” Asians will be happy to share resources that they’ve taken from us with us and our children. After all, according to Engelman, we’re not so far apart and everything boils down to IQ and not race.

            He must be correct because he keeps saying that over and over, gets upvotes from regular posters here and AR never takes down his posts, but they’ll take down my rebuttals.

          • Jotun Hunter

            yes – he makes a ridiculous statement, then when you point out it is wrong, he later comes back to say he has already said this was right, as though nothing happened. This is where I think he does suffer from a problem of some kind.

          • Mergatroyd

            This is why I keep saying NOT to feed this troll.

            When you engage with Engelman, you are dealing with a sick anti-white psychopath. Folks like Engelman are too sick and brainwashed to be able to recognize their pathological hatred for white people, and cannot resist promoting white race replacement.

            There is no trying to reason with psychopathic anti-whites, they are by definition impervious to thinking.

            Who else but a genocidal, hateful sicko would promote white race replacement in white homelands, and try to make it sound “reasonable”.

          • Jotun Hunter

            it would be nice – but since they won’t ban him he’s free to spread around his hateful propaganda – you can ignore him up to a point but then he gets cocky. for as long as he skulks around here spreading his sinister message he will need occasional retaliation.

          • Mergatroyd

            So true. Posts that are left to stand give the impression that “whites should race replace themselves by Asians” is the prevailing wisdom of the thread and forum, especially when there are so many upvotes on those types of posts. It’s hard not to reply to anti-white posts but his are way over the top and he is completely impervious to facts and then goes on to the next thread.

          • JohnEngelman

            What facts am I impervious to?

          • JohnEngelman

            I am courteous. You are hateful.

            What is sinister about the facts I post?

          • Jotun Hunter

            I am not hateful – and you are anything but courteous – and of all people you do not get to say who is or isn’t these things, because you psychopathically think the world of your own opinion, that you are laying down ‘fact’ with every ridiculous superior/inferior comment or pasted notation from some article that might suit your bias at that moment (even though it’s author would refute you as solemnly as any other decent independant thinker)

          • JohnEngelman

            How would Professor J. Philippe Rushton refute this statement which I have frequently quoted? Keep in mind he composed it himself: “For the past twenty years I have studied race differences in brain size, intelligence, sexuality, personality, growth rate, life span, crime, and family stability. On all of these traits, Orientals fall at one end of the spectrum, Blacks fall at the other end, and Whites fall in between.”

          • Jotun Hunter

            I cannot speak for the deceased Mr. Rushton – but it does not include the societal makeup or history of those peoples – also I’m dubious about the ‘sexuality’ and ‘personality’ part – my guess is giving extra kudos to asians, seeing as they do have the higher average iq – (but white levels of super-genius IQ which is a fact you pay no heed to) was an easy way for Rushton to present his data without looking like a nazi, as others have done. I am pretty sure he would have the sense to stand with is own people.

          • JohnEngelman

            I let Professor Rushton speak for himself.

          • JohnEngelman

            Why don’t you follow your own advice and leave me alone? You have nothing to contribute to an intelligent discussion of serious matters.

          • SoulInvictus

            It’s what they do. He is a caricature…

          • JohnEngelman

            When have you ever pointed out that I said something that is not true? If I am mistaken, why is it so easy for me to substantiate my arguments with articles I have found on this website?

          • Jotun Hunter

            you have been refuted countless times and not just by me – but you simply pay no attention because you are either trolling or imbalanced

            your more recent comment that you chose to delete yourself was especially hilarious and desparate – its still in my inbox should I share it with everyone?

          • JohnEngelman

            Insults are not refutations. Insults are all you seem capable of.

            I see not point in insulting you. You are condemned by what you write.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Japanese can make nearly everything we can make, only better. The Chinese can make it as good, but cheaper.

          • JohnEngelman

            I like Gothic architecture just fine.

          • Jotun Hunter

            Ottomans and many other Arabian types were once much more caucasian – same with the ruling class Hindus.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Ottoman Turks, like all Turks were originally Mongoloid. As they moved west they picked up a lot of Caucasian genes.

            The Arabs were originally Caucasian. Because of the African slave trade they picked up Negro genes from their slaves. They castrated male slaves, but they had children by their female slaves.

            The Brahmins and the Kshatriyas of India were originally Caucasian. Since then they have merged somewhat with the Australoids who originally populated what is now India on their way to Australia.

          • Martel

            Claiming Arabs where ‘originally’ Caucasian is abusing the usefulness of this racial category. Arabs have always been profoundly different from Europeans. Reading about Arabia during the times of Muhammad, who frowned upon dark skin, it was as backward as it is today. The historical record show the Arabs to be parasites, not innovators. Forcing Jewish, Persian, Zoroastrian or Byzantine architects and craftsmen to design and construct their palaces so the Arab warlords may live there enjoying the spoils of warbooty and the dhimmi taxes isn’t something I would call advanced. The Arabs are also mysteriously missing from Murray’s indices of Human Accomplishment.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Arabs are semites, and semites are Caucasians. Arabian mathematicians originated algebra, and transmitted “Arabic” numerals from India where they originated, to Europe.

            Once I took a course in the C++ computer programming language. One of my assignments was to code a program that changed Roman numbers into Arabic numerals, and visa versa. That taught me to appreciate Arabic numerals.

          • Martel

            First you abuse a racial category, seeing that a geneticist could differentiate between a European and a Arab with his eyes closed, then you produce another misnomer. I care little about what accepted racial definitions are in a time where men like Lynn and Taylor are rejected by mainstream intelligentsia, your use of the term obfuscates major differences between, say, the Germans and the Arabs which do not exist between Germans and fellow Europeans. Furthermore, there is no such thing as Arabic numerals.

            The misnomer is representative of Arab ‘knowledge’, everything was learned from their trading partners or the natives they occupied. When those natives died off, or were oppressed to the point of ruin, ‘arab knowledge’ went along with it.

          • Mergatroyd

            @Martel:

            Stop wasting your time arguing with Engelman. He is impervious to facts and data and prefers to believe his own narrow, Marxist worldview.

            Brainwashed, anti-white Marxists like Engelman are, by nature, impervious to facts and data, they are like kryptonite to them.

            What baffles me is why AR allows him to go on and on with his Asian superiority posts while taking down rebuttals. What is the point of doing that, allowing a clear anti-white to prattle on endlessly about white inferiority? This is why I no longer donate to AR. If they want to give a supposed white news forum over to anti-white posts then they can do it without my monetary support.

            Don’t waste your time and don’t feed trolls.

          • Martel

            I’m not feeding a troll. At moments Engelman responds irrationally, and his behavior is indeed childish or ‘trollish’. If anything, I am abusing a troll, hammering him down for my own pleasure. I hope he will up his game and I may finally learn something new, but he remains repetitive. He can post ll he want for all I care. I don’t like mods deleting posts though.

          • Mergatroyd

            @Matel:

            It’s been this way here for years and years. He is presented with facts and data which he either ignores or brushes off. Next thread, he’s back to the same irrational, ignorant posts. Repeat and repeat.

            AR keeps claiming he’s not a mod but I wonder since his anti-white posts are not take down and they allow him to demoralize their threads.

          • LHathaway

            I remember a time when Engleman wasn’t on AmRen. That was a sadder time.

          • JohnEngelman

            I post facts you do not like to be told about.

          • LHathaway

            Actually, Engelman is suspicious to me cause he agrees Too much with AmRen ‘science’. He parrots the AmRen line, seemingly 100% in every case (he’s just setting himself up not to be one purged when We’re doing the purging, no doubt)

            I kind of agree with your disdain of his ‘Marxist’ views, then again, these days Everyone holds marxists views (something about cultural maxist brainwashing being ubiquitous the last 50 years?) even those conservatives who disagree with them base their arguments from within a mindset that is agreement with in a ‘cultural marxist’ norm.

            Not Exactly related, perhaps, but I remember a joke someone told in the old MSN chat site. Someone said something like, ‘sharks still swim in the atlantic following the old routs of the slave ships’. Another poster quickly responded with, “No, they are simply following the tide and currents”. ” it’s science”. His response was pretty funny, to me anyway. I think his name was ‘Rebelone’ or something.

            Engleman’s ‘support’ of Asians and Jews maybe runs too much like a broken record. At least he’s not shy about stating his views. Maybe it’s his own version of ‘anti-racism’ (for a guy who is very much like a white racist). Another poster, the pseudo black centrist ,insulted Engleman recently for the boringness of his ‘persistence’ or something..

            I don’t mind Engleman’s few genuine ‘communists’ responses on occasion. On these yellow moon occasions he does bring something geniunely different. Even a stopped clock is right once per day, and on rare occasion Mr. Engleman does bring something extra enlightening to the discussion.

          • JohnEngelman

            Don’t wast my time with your stupid insults. Stop wasting computer memory. Get out of here.

          • Jotun Hunter

            yet you have already admitted they were originally (and during their golden age) a cuacasian race anyways. By the way you are wrong (though it is somewhat debatable) the Hindus originated algebra.

          • Mergatroyd

            You show a stunning lack of knowledge when it comes to history and every other subject, but then you have drunk deeply from the Marxist well of disinformation and ignorance.

          • JohnEngelman

            If you knew very much about history you would know that Marxism is a facing movement.

          • Jotun Hunter

            for once we’re not in disagreement then – my theory would be the Ottomans had picked up quite a few of those valuable caucasian genes (as can be seen still in the likes of certain turks such as Attaturk) during their heyday. The caucasian origins of the arabs and hindus may also account for their golden era success.

          • Jotun Hunter

            and regardless of that the actual level of ottoman invention does not equal that of europe even in the dark ages.

          • JohnEngelman

            What was invented in Europe during the dark ages?

          • Jotun Hunter

            check my other responses to you or google it

          • JohnEngelman

            If your responses were that significant repeat them. I love to repeat evidence for the biological superiority of Orientals and Ashkenazi Jews.

          • Jotun Hunter

            no, look it up – there is no evidence to refute the history of European invention, even in the dark ages

          • Mergatroyd

            You present your OPINION which you pass off as facts and data.

            I have seen no facts, data or reliable references from you, only OPINION which you use to promote your agenda which is the race replacement of whites. The Nazis did the same thing you’re doing during the 30s to justify the ethnocide of Jews. That makes you no better than a propaganda artist akin to Goebbels.

          • Martel

            He gave plenty of examples earlier. Foggy memory?

            Also, the ‘dark ages’ are a term used today mostly in popculture. The archeological record has swept away many of the assumptions we previously had about this era.I would describe many of your arguments as borrowing heavily from popculture though, in all seriousness.

          • Jotun Hunter

            he’s practically Beyonce

          • JohnEngelman

            If those inventions were that significant, list them again.

          • Jotun Hunter

            what kind of weird game is this to play engleman? are you unable to find them on this very same page? now this is belligerence

          • Martel

            His inability to prove a point is affecting him emotionally, there is no other explanation for a man his age to behave like this.

          • Jotun Hunter

            so you are convinced he’s not being paid or has an agenda to annoy us as a troll? that these are actually his heartfelt thoughts?

          • Martel

            He does have an agenda, we all have agendas. But I don’t consider him any less irrational then Tim Wise. In a conversation with Taylor, Wise confessed he lost most his black friends, over which he was upset. It remains one of his motivations to push diversity, he may believe he lost his friends over socially constructed racial tensions. It reminds me of Engelman who subconsciously blames us for his lovelife, or lack thereof.

            What do you think Engelman?

          • Jotun Hunter

            he likely won’t reply to this conversation – let me predict what he’ll do: he’ll withdraw for a bit then later on when we’re too busy to respond he’ll flood this comment board with more of the usual: sat scores, and asian crime stats, and ignore everything else, or the irrefutable mistaken comments he made. If he’s in a specially cheeky mood he’ll delete his own comments that are acutely embarrassing. — he’ll just try to drown it out in a sea of blather like always, just like he nearly drowned in tears when Ling Ling left him.

          • Martel

            Then I will reply to him. I don’t mind chasing him around for years until he purchase an Asian love-doll and moves on to greener pastures or he admits I am reasonable and he is irrational. I have adopted him as my pet ethnomasochist, who I will take out for a walk while giving him a good kick up the butt whenever I feel like it.

          • David Ashton

            If the West Bank had a Chinatown he could move there and enjoy the company of Herrenvolk (two for the price of one)! It wouldn’t delete him from posting the same old sentences on AmRen however.

          • JohnEngelman

            What is blather about the truth?

          • Jotun Hunter

            it is only truth in your own mind – hense to others its meaningless blather. Worse, it’s an annoyance and in your specific case dangerous to the most worthy cause of our times.

          • JohnEngelman

            I guess these facts are dangerous to you.

            “The average IQ for African Americans was found to be lower than those for Latino, White, Asian, and Jewish Americans (85, 89, 103, 106, and 115.”

            – Professor J. Philippe Rushton, from “RACE, INTELLIGENCE, AND THE BRAIN: THE ERRORS AND OMISSIONS OF THE REVISED EDITION OF S. J. GOULD’S THE MISMEASURE OF MAN”

            ———–

            Do I need to remind you once again that Professor Rushton was invited to speak at six American Renaissance conferences?

          • Jotun Hunter

            and I shouldnt have to remind you – for the upteenth time, that a convenient quote from Rushton or Taylor (whom you also freely admit would not agree with your views at large), therefore you are not stating sweeping aboslute fact with every breath like you imagine – even though I agree with the fact posted above. You do not understand the nuances of truth and relatvism.

          • JohnEngelman

            This is the only area where I disagree with Professor Rushton: “Homo sapiens were fully human. They were in Africa less than 200,000 years ago. Moving to the Middle East about 100,000 years ago.”

            DNA evidence indicates a more recent immigration of homo sapiens out of Africa.

            This is an area where I most assuredly agree with Jared Taylor, “Wherever you look, Asians outperform whites academically and financially… the differences in achievement are largely due to differences in inherent ability…

            “I think Asians are objectively superior to whites by just about any measure that you can come up with in terms of what are the ingredients for a successful society. “

          • JohnEngelman

            My views are more nuanced than yours. Although I welcome the presence of Orientals in the United States I acknowledge that any immigration contributes to the growing income gap.

          • JohnEngelman

            White supremacy is not “the most worthy cause of out times.” It easily segues into neo Nazism and genocide.

          • Mergatroyd

            His agenda is whatever the chip implanted inside his head tells him to do. He is a classic anti-white brainwashed Marxist doing the bidding of his handlers, nothing more.

          • JohnEngelman

            I post facts. You post insults.

          • Mr. Engelman likes NE Asian gals. He’s probably in his late sixties.
            Genuine friendship is rare enough that it should be treasured.

          • Mr. Engelman has been here a long time, and he is consistent. I’m almost 48 and married to a wonderful Japanese lady. Nobody pays me except Sayaka.

          • Jotun Hunter

            Consistent would be the word. However I find his repetitiveness and tone both bully-ish and worrisome, and he does not have sound enough arguments to back up his overwhelmingly smug sense of self-certainty. I simply cannot ignore someone who is so vocal an advocate for the downfall of whites, and for imaginary reasons of ‘inferiority’ no less. Congratulations on the wife, the japanese are a great people. But Engelman and I are ideological enemies:

          • The best way to defeat an enemy is to turn him into your friend.

          • JohnEngelman

            Your enemy is the truth.

          • Martel

            Are you falling apart again? They are on the same comment section, scrolling down is a technique invented when I was not born yet and you were already in decay, it doesn’t mean you cant pick up new skills. I take pride in knowing you have to resort to such petty tactics.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am trying to have an intelligent discussion of important matters. You and others insult me. Those are petty tactics.

          • Martel

            If you were, you would simply scroll down instead of sarcastically demanding to put up the same list again. That is a petty tactic. We have yet to have an intelligent discussion, you repeat the same points indefinitely and change the subject when your flawed logic is exposed. You are the man to ‘pull rank’ by calling out the vote/post ratio of another poster to try to claim you were right. As entertaining as it was to see a senior citizen doing something so incredibly childish, its just one piece of evidence that pettiness is your hallmark.

          • JohnEngelman

            I do not mind posting the same facts again and again, especially facts I find on this website.

            What flawed logic are you talking about? When I accuse someone of posting a logical fallacy I name the fallacy and describe it.

            All you seem capable of are personal attacks, and telling people what you want. You want to live in a country where everyone is a white Gentile. I don’t. However, I do not keep saying that I don’t. I explain why I admire Jews and Orientals, documenting my assertions with material I find on this website.

          • Martel

            Are you kidding me?
            I obliterated you in all our discussions. None of your statements held up to scrutiny. You even broke down to the point you started claiming victory using the most absurd standards to do so. It wasn’t a bad dream babyboomer, as entertaining as it was. We will definitely do it again.

            You do not only post the same poorly interpreted acts again and again, you make the same arguments even under articles which have little to do with your ’cause’. I never said I wanted to live in a country where everyone is a white gentile, please produce evidence of this statement.

          • JohnEngelman

            “I would not mind if Asians on average would be much more intelligent then Caucasians, I still do not want them flooding my country.”

          • Martel

            I was confused for a second but you seem to think this is the evidence for me wanting to ban every single Asian?

            I’m talking about mass immigration obviously. Another sad reminder of what I’m dealing with.

          • Jotun Hunter

            maybe you are just mentally deficient and you truly don’t believe they invented anything, such as the crossbow, horseshoe, windmill (or mill), lenses for glasses (and later microscopes, thereby inventing modern medicine) – this is only a small taste? I’m not going to do it again – but I enjoy your games.

          • The Magna Carta was written in 1215, and this doomed despotic monarchy.

            You asked!

          • JohnEngelman

            I date the dark ages from the fall of the Western Roman Empire to the conversion of the Vikings to Christianity about 1000.

            England’s gift to the world is representative democracy. The British Empire was the most enlightened empire in the history of the world.

          • Martel

            Ottoman invention, is there really such a thing?
            The Turkish invaders made extensive use of Byzantine knowledge, inventors and scholars. After the Turks had mixed with the local population, this surely pushed up ‘ottoman inventiveness’.

          • JohnEngelman

            The civilization of India began in the Indus River valley slightly about 5,000 years ago. Because the Indo Europeans had not yet entered the area, the people who built this civilization were Dravidian. As such, they were more closely related to the Australoids than the European Caucasians.

            Although race is an important biological classification, it is often difficult to determine where the boundaries are. This is not only because of miscegenation, but because the existing races diverged comparatively recently in human evolution.

          • Jotun Hunter

            the hindu ruling class from very far back were the racial byproduct of aryan northern raiders. The same can be said of early persians.

          • Truth Teller

            And if you notice, the ones who don’t have a lot of those genes today, often in the upper class, are more intelligent than the underclasses. Mixing often dilutes intelligence. Notice for example how the lighter and more upper class Egyptians are much more intelligent than the more black looking ones?

          • LHathaway

            I’m guessing a far amount of that is conjecture.

          • Martel

            Please don’t be fooled by anything he said. His account is mainstream but only due to politically motivated historical revisionism. The average Westerners still believes the crusades where an unprovoked campaign into Muslim lands for territory and economic gains. Few know hundreds of raids into Europe preceded the crusades which where clearly based on the need to secure European territory.

          • Mergatroyd

            Engelman is an anti-white who believes the white race should be race replaced in white homelands by “superior” Asians and Jews.

            He’s said so many times on this forum which is why I wonder why whites here continue to upvote someone who wishes for white extermination.

          • Jotun Hunter

            I think he fools the odd newcomer with some of his few agreeable moments – the others may be himself posing as a guest (he seems the type) or wandering jews looking to stem nationalist fervor.

          • Martel

            I also wonder why anyone upvotes the comments of someone who irrationally discriminates against Europeans and often expresses joy over the difficulties Europeans suffer. My assumption is that his 20 followers simply receive his comments in disquss digest and join the article to vote up his comments. That is not to say all his comments are bad,its as easy for him as it is for me to accurately describe problems related to affirmative action or the overrepresentation of blacks in criminal endeavors, but even when he ventures in topics of which he clearly knows little, and even resorts to the most absurd conclusions, he seems to attract his fans.

          • Mergatroyd

            He’s driven off some of our best, most intelligent posters who refuse to stand for anti-white posts on a supposed white issues forum. Especially, as you stated, that he seems to take particular delight in the suffering of whites.

            I’d like Jared Taylor or one of the systems admins to tell us why this is allowed.

          • Martel

            This a shame, understandable as Amren should have been a retreat for white nationalists to get away from politically correct, anti-European commentary.This no longer the case I must add, the current regime has been discredited, retreats for those afraid to confront sensible pro-white commentary are popping up across the internet. The “politically correct” are now sitting ducks.

            He does take a delight in the suffering of whites, which is my issue with him, he likes to claim he is disliked because he provides evidence that Asians have a higher average intelligence then whites. I have some legitimate doubts about this claim, but even it this is the case it would not bother any Amren reader for the simple fact that Taylor claims the same thing. Amren would not have an audience of Engelman’s claim is correct.

            I doubt that he is serious about this dramatic revisionism, although it would fit a pattern. He clearly suffers from irrationality on certain issues and breaks character when pressed. I will continue to enjoy disentangling the interesting, sometimes sad mess which is his mind.

          • Mergatroyd

            It’s no issue that Asians have a slightly higher average IQ than Whites. Engelman’s comments go far past the mere IQ issue and I am well aware of Jared Taylor’s views and writings as I subscribed to his now-defunct newsletter for 10 years, own all of his books and read his columns and articles on here and in the Occidental Quarterly, edited by Kevin MacDonald (what does that tell you?). Engelman openly promotes the take over of White lands by Asians and Jews.

            That does not mean I wish to be race-replaced by Asians in my homeland or believe them to be superior to Whites which is what Engelman pushes on this forum on thread after thread after thread. He advocates the race replacement of Whites by Asians and Jews which makes him an anti-white along the lines of Tim Wise who said he couldn’t wait for White hearts to stop beating.

            — The thought of you losing your job to a more intelligent Jew or Oriental is pleasing to me. As time goes on there will be more of that.

            –John Engelman

            Does that not tell you everything you need to know about what he’s pushing? The genocide of the White race.

          • Martel

            I fully agree. I care little about which ethnic groups have a higher average intelligence, I care about the well being of whites and their offspring. Even if the average IQ of whites would be 85 I would be here doing the same thing.

          • JohnEngelman

            I care about the well being of decent, law abiding people. They exist in all races. So do scoundrels.

          • Martel

            You clearly don’t. You refuse to discuss the Jewish-gentile conflict in equal terms. You support Jewish and Asian ethnic nationalism while attempting to transmogrify the interests of white nationalists and making such obscene statements as quoted above.There are scoundrels all right, most are here because they wish to provide a safe environment for caucasians, I can’t see any honorable motivation in your arguments. An entire political establishment denies the damage immigration has done to my fellow citizens, in the past when I tried to convince them that Arabs had ensured our girls no longer felt safe going out at night they mocked me . The problem still exists, we are still being flooded by immigrants. Any quotes from Eric Hoffer which poetically capture such behavior?

            If white nationalism was as accepted as Asian or Jewish ethnic nationalism this would have never happened. And here you are trying to kick the enemies of the political establishment once they are down.

          • JohnEngelman

            There is no conflict between Jews and Orientals on one hand, and decent white Gentiles on the other. Indeed, Jews and Orientals on the average behave and perform better than white Gentiles.

            I could quote Jared Taylor and Professor J. Philippe Rushton to substantiate that assertion. Nevertheless, it gets tiresome to keep trying to push facts into narrow minds clouded by fear, hatred, and anger.

          • Martel

            There clearly is a conflict between Asians and white gentiles, I could quote Taylor to substantiate that assertion. There are clear conflicts between Jews and white gentiles, I could quote MacDonald and others to substantiate that assertion. Its gets tiresome because you are continually debunked, Asians have shown to be equally prone to the desire of segregation as Europeans and are currently running organizations reminiscent of La Raza and the NAACP.

            How am I the one who is narrow minded, while it is you who holds to uninformed mainstream views and I am capable of factoring supposed higher average intelligence of Jews and Asians into my argument without damaging its veracity?

            Its you who has to categorically deny actual facts to hold on to your desires. You now try to falsify my motivations again but your theories about white nationalism do not hold up, I’m motivated by concern for the future of Europeans, thats all. As stated before, white nationalism, even an inkling of it, would have prevented an immigration disaster which now necessarily will end in ethnic conflict. My country, but the USA as well has a major problem on its hands because of the foolish experiments altering the demographic composition by your generation. The ilk of Wise, Sontag, Marcuse and yourself.

          • JohnEngelman

            What kind of conflict?

            Jews and Orientals do not attack white Gentiles in the street. They compete with them in the class room and on the job.

            Again you compare me with Tim Wise. I am amused by the comparison. Tim Wise would resent it.

          • Martel

            If blacks would stop committing crimes against Europeans, but they still want affirmative action, there is a political conflict. In two arguments you resort to a incredibly limited definition of ethnic conflict which completely ignores the quotes I presented from Taylor’s book, another one you clearly have not read. This again shows I can adopt the facts you present without it ruining my argument, you are forced to ignore facts because your argument would no longer hold up. It requires a limited epistemological view of human interactions.

            You, Wise, Sontag and Marcuse share a pronounced distaste for European gentiles. I glad I amuse you, you have amused me many times before,unintentionally.

          • JohnEngelman

            I do feel a distaste for European Gentiles who are white supremacists, especially if they admire Hitler and his Nazis. Most white Gentiles are fine as far as I am concerned.

            Jared Taylor said that some whites leave a neighborhood when Orientals move in. I posted an article from The Wall Street Journal which indicated that they do not want to compete with Orientals academically.

            That is the reason white supremacists resent Orientals and Jews. They are too intelligent, and they work too hard.

          • JohnEngelman

            You talk about what you want and don’t want, and what you like and don’t like. Everybody has likes and dislikes. Where you fall short is in knowledge and insight.

          • JohnEngelman

            You want American Renaissance to be a sounding board where embittered come to reinforce their prejudices. If Jared Taylor wanted to maintain that kind of atmosphere he would not have invited men like Professor J. Philippe Rushton and Richard Lynn.

          • Martel

            You really do have an odd way of looking at things. This is why I have given you the benefit of the doubt and defended your irrationality while others think you are simply here because you enjoy claiming Europeans are inferior on many accounts, including morally.I definitely would not consider myself the ‘bitter one’ in our interactions. We have discussed certain possible sources and fears which may have spurred your views, but we will leave that for another time.

            I enjoy Rushton and Lynn, I have some doubts about their research on Asian intelligence as China is generally backward and the Chinese immigrants in my part of the world tend to be quite thick. Another factor is that Caucasian parents are known these days for their lax parenting methods, the typical Asian parent would surely boost average IQ a few points. Which in my opinion makes the gap irrelevant. Compare it to the Chinese athletic program, they produce quite a few winners in the Olympics due to their rigorous programs but if I would pick a random black kid and a random Chinese kid from a NY college I would put my money on the black kid.

            Even so, I would not mind if Asians on average would be much more intelligent then Caucasians, I still do not want them flooding my country because everyone who studies ethnic conflict knows average IQ is only a minor, if not irrelevant factor in stirring ethnic tensions and opposing political interests. Jews and immigrant blacks in New York are now in a minor conflict because the Jewish parents have a different vision for using the schoolbudget then black parents, the higher average IQ of the Jewish parents does not prevent the growing of tensions over such minor issues.

          • JohnEngelman

            Where do Jews and Orientals initiate the use of violence against white Gentiles?

          • Martel

            Is this a question about temporary affairs or a historical one?
            I hope the former. Jews and orientals, lack testosterone and are physically weak. Physical violence is only rarely an issue against gentiles.The main problem is opposing ethic interests and the desire to live segregated lives, which naturally grows into even more different political interests. This is why both run organizations to suit their interests. Compare the political clout and acceptance of Amren with their organizations and you will again be confronted by actual motivations for white nationalism instead of imaginary ones.
            It should be simple:

            All ethnic groups have different ethnic interests, only whites are banned from protecting these interests. The Asians could have easily joined Amren or supported other initiatives against AA, but they decided to form organizations solely to defend Asian interests, because unlike you, they understand ethnic interests. If Hispanics would not be involved in crime to any significant degree, but they would vote for amnesty or support la raza there would still be a conflict which could devastate European interests.

            Neither I nor Taylor are motivated by our critique of Asians by something as absurd as irrational ‘hatred’. I would have no issue with a small percentage of Asians, small enough to prevent political power.

          • wildfirexx

            I wouldn’t necessarily consider Constantinople, (modern day Istanbul)which was the centre of Eastern Christian Faith to be inhabited by the Arab population before the Muslim nomadic Arab tribes finally ransacked it, and stole their culture and history.

          • Martel

            The dark ages are largely a myth, its a term decreasing in popularity amongst historians generally.The economic woes of Europe only set in during the invasions of Europe by Muslim forces.

          • JohnEngelman

            During the European dark ages cities declined greatly in size. Trade declined. Literacy declined. Violence increased.

          • Martel

            After the fall of the Roman empire, none of these changes existed in any significant form. Only when the Muslim invasions started to become characteristic of Europe life did any decline take place. Trade with North Africa was cut off by Muslim invaders, on ships designed and build by Byzantine, vastly increasing the price of papyrus if not making this product entirely unavailable.

            To claim it has anything to do with inferior European intelligence absurd. Europeans were still innovating at greater speed then other peoples, the Arabs have no such record, the only legitimate competition came from the Chinese. Which is nothing to be ashamed about. Your historical knowledge consist mainly of popular myths.

          • JohnEngelman

            Your historical knowledge consists of ethnocentric exaggerations of European importance.

          • Martel

            I have constantly refuted your claims, I was not trying to mock you. I do not exaggerate the importance of Europeans anywhere, my statements are supported by historical evidence as well as the magnificent work of Charles Murray.

            You claimed there was once a ‘Arab civilization’ greater then European civilization at any time, and although this may win you a popularity contest amongst leftist pseudointellectuals, this is not supported by evidence. I still hope your comment about ‘Arab numerals’ was a joke.

          • Jotun Hunter

            I like to refute AND mock him – as it’s at this stage when he’s lost on all fronts that he turns to accusations of bullying and starts crying. Until he can withdraw to his spidery den to nurse his wounded tentacles and await a new amren post to victimize with lies and endless robotic monotony.

          • JohnEngelman

            You think that when you and others line up and throw insults at me you achieve something. Instead you expose your vulgarity and ignorance.

          • Jotun Hunter

            I tease you a bit because you deserve it – I have been outright angry with you in the past but perhaps I was too harsh – your doctrine is positively poisonous and your capacity for endlessly posting/replying the exact same thing continuously, irrespective of contrary arguments/data is…. shocking. I still can’t tell if you are an outright ‘enemy agent’ if you will, or just a funny guy with a crazy ego, but I must for now assume the latter.

          • JohnEngelman

            What data are you talking about? I do not express hostility for white Gentiles. I am a white Gentile. All I do is express my appreciation for Jews and Orientals.

            What is “poisonous” about admiring people of other races and cultures?

          • Jotun Hunter

            if you don’t oppose non-white immigration into white lands then you either don’t realize the extent of the problem or you don’t care about white gentiles. What you are saying here is also in open contradiction to the many times you have stated we deserve to go or be ruled by ‘superior’ asians and jews – you go way past ‘just admiring’ them… If I had the effort I could find and repost many shocking statements you have made. But you and I both know this engelman – why the song and dance? It is for the reason of this kind of hypocritical and contradictory reply you have just made, lined with sugary PC compassion and universalism, that you are the untrustworthy message board menace that you are.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am a “message board menace” to those who would rather reinforce their prejudices than be told the truths of race realism.

            Those truths, once again: “For the past twenty years I have studied race differences in brain size, intelligence, sexuality,
            personality, growth rate, life span, crime, and family stability. On all of these traits, Orientals fall at one end of the spectrum, Blacks fall at the other end, and Whites fall in between.”

            – Professor J. Philippe Rushton

            You are only a menace to those who are intimidated by your adolescent bully behavior.

          • And your historical “knowledge” consists of going out of your way to devalue obvious importance.

          • Mergatroyd

            That is your OPINION, backed up by no facts or data, as usual.

            You don’t know what you’re talking about. Nothing new to see here.

          • So first it was dominance and superiority up until a certain period in time. Now it’s dominance and superiority between this time and that time? Having trouble keeping your BS in one place, I see.

        • Martel

          The Arab world has never been more advanced, they conquered peoples and usurped their wealth and knowledge. There are precious few Arab scholars or innovators, during the same days, many more examples of uniquely European scientific progress can be found. The decline of the Arab empire had little to do with miscegenation and everything with the downfall or the minorities they sucked dry founder their rule. Your popular notion is part of leftist mythology, similar to the idea that the crusades where imperialistic and unwarranted.

          • JohnEngelman

            For the record I think the Crusades were a legitimate effort to assure the safety of Christian pilgrims visiting the Holy Lands.

            Of course, I regret the fact that the Crusades were attended by programs against European Jews.

          • Martel

            There is indeed much evidence of the perilous nature of pilgrimage to Jerusalem, and indeed a portion of European Christian nobility was motivated by these events,But securing Europe was the main motivation for launching the crusades. The correspondence of Pope Urban and his contemporaries are well documented.

          • Ellis Kurtz

            “programs”?

          • JohnEngelman

            Thank you for correcting me.

          • Jotun Hunter

            as long as you feel sorry for the jews and not the europeans then everythings fine

        • Jotun Hunter

          you may acknowledge it below – but in this misleading and silly opening statement you did not give a single thought to greece and rome. I won’t waste my time listing the insanely vast list of achievements we are forever indebted to them for, nor go into the fact that Rome was the greatest empire with the possible exception of the British, as it is obvious to everyone (other than apparently you). Now while I do think you may be a bit unbalanced, I don’t think you are personally so ignorant as to not know anything about ancient greece or rome. Therefore this is an example of you ‘propaganzing’, or hoping to get away with an influential statement that may go over a few heads by making misleading points…

          • JohnEngelman

            Your belligerence indicates anger, which in turn indicates that you are uncertain of what you want to believe.

          • Jotun Hunter

            MY belligerence? ha – actually no I’m having a good time. I’m not so much angry as routinely annoyed or unhappy with you. I wouldn’t mind your inane commenting if you didn’t falsely present yourself as ‘Mr scholar’. Above I am merely exposing that you are an ‘unfriendly propaganzier’ and guests should be wary of your spidery web. You should be happy I’m being kind and insinuating you do it intentionally and aren’t actually mentally deficient.

          • Martel

            He is probably upset that you didn’t bother to read his list of European inventions during the ‘dark ages’ as a popculture amateur historian would call them. If he is upset that is. It seems we are having a repeat of our earlier conversation where you desperately look for a pyrus victory. But there is even no such victory, you are simply inconsistent, you have shown yourself to be uninformed, and even granting yourself a pyrus victory would overstate your miserable performance.

          • JohnEngelman

            I think you mean “Pyrrhic victory.”

          • Martel

            I did, thanks for pointing it out. It can be a struggle typing on this tablet, the vocabulary in the spelling corrector is quite limited too, it doesn’t know many terms and automatically adopts every word I write even by accident into the vocabulary. Its quite useless by this point.

          • Martel

            Clearly an accurate description of your contributions though. The absurd conclusions you made in our previous conversation to claim victory were both sad and entertaining.

          • Jotun Hunter

            he has no comeback for the dark age achievements that still outshine even the golden ages of the far east – he will simply overlook it and try to pretend he never said that.

          • Martel

            The achievements of the Asians where remarkable, whether they were greater then those of Europeans is subjective, and one must contrast a whole range of factors which has given both Asians and Europeans advantages and disadvantages. Murray has done a marvelous job of accurately nd objectively calling for a winner though. Even still, Engelman always wishes to exaggerate the slight advantage in average intelligence Asians have over Europeans, even though the vast majority of Chinese citizens are peasants or other individuals who will never even see an IQ test.

          • Jotun Hunter

            they did have a few good ones allright – but then I start to wonder if they didn’t have a possible influx of aryan raiders like the hindus and persians? This can never be proven.

            the japanese seem by far the most creative asians.

          • Well, that’s incorrect. Japanese have nothing to do with ancient Chinese innovation. Are you serious?

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            The NE Asian contribution to human civilization is marginal at best and pales in comparison to what Europeans have achieved. For example, the Chinese were way behind Europeans in terms of glass-making, manufacture of concrete, architecture (they used mostly wood and mud as building materials), logic, geometry, philosophy and many other disciplines.They relied on scrolls for a much longer period than Europeans and believed that the earth was flat, until 17th century Jesuits taught them modern astronomy. It is an objective fact that only western culture can guarantee the high standard of living we have today. There’s nothing subjective about it.

            Don’t believe the hype about how amazing NE Asian achievements are. Everything they did, the Europeans did way better and more. Also, so-called high Asian IQ is likely politically manufactured by Lynn and others to deflect accusations of white supremacy and racism.

          • You know I think that might be a plausible presumption. “Also, so-called high Asian IQ is likely politically manufactured by Lynn and others to deflect accusations of white supremacy and racism.”

            I have the sense to wonder just how honest and innocent are our so-called racial realists are. Lynn is somewhat shady and Rushton is a bit of a charlatan. Could it be that they are deceiving us with this over-inflated Asian ego. I wonder if those ‘average’ IQ points are truly average and random sampling in North East Asia,
            and not taken from above-average intelligent families. Is their testing truly standardised?

            Rushton failed to explain why Whites have been more creative than North East Asians. I don’t buy his nonsense for a second. You know, about the plague apparently wiping away the lowest IQ Whites in Western Europe (and obviously in Britain) and the highest IQ ones breeding with other high IQ ones to create super high IQ ones. Are we actually supposed to believe that?! Give me a break, Rushton! Indeed a futile excuse.

            Whites don’t have the highest IQ in the world, but they are vastly disproportionate in creativity.

            Western Europe does not have the highest IQ in Europe, but they are disproportionate in creativity.

            Britain does not have the highest IQ of the Europeans, but they are disproportionate in creativity.

            Scotland does not have the highest IQ in Britain, but they are disproportionate in creativity.

            Must one go on..?

            Absolutely contradicting…wouldn’t you say so?

          • You’re too soft. White Gentiles have scaled the heights of human achievement and civilisation – all on their own – without parallel. This simple fact incites jealousy, spite and inferior-feeling among Jews and non-Whites who use futile excuses to claim superiority all while attempting to hide their underlining inferiority complex. They desperately what to be seen as superior and realise in ways they are not. Feelings of inferiority often DRIVE the claim of superiority, you must understand. Those that claim superiority the LEAST are of course White Gentiles who are the only ones to have truly demonstrated it. No small amount of irony there. Both Jews and East Asians have to, need to USE White Gentiles societies to get where they want and take advantage. This means they are quite inadequate on their own. I think true superiority lies within the adequacy of a race to stand alone, not the ability to take advantage of another. This was precisely Hitler’s point –and mine.

        • benvad

          John firecrackers were their last hurrah, I live with them, I speak their lingo and I’ve worked with them every day for the last 10 years.

          I figure your old lady is Asian, am I correct? Well living with a partner in the west is one thing, being inundated in their home turf is ANOTHER!

          Just think about it, alright?

          • Martel

            He has no old lady. But yes he does want an Asian girl, so unless you are offering one, please leave it alone. Painful memories has led him to his current views, that is all I am going to say.

          • Jotun Hunter

            painful memories of what? do tell? was he beaten up by a gang of nordics or something? I thought he was a nordic?

          • Martel

            Just failed romances and stories of unrequited love he shared with me as I gained his respect by debunking him time after time, even though I’m half his age and undisciplined, an understatement most likely. Every man goes through a few of these stories, the issue with Engelman is the frequency and the nature of these love stories. They involved Asian women, who in the end preferred Asian males.

          • Jotun Hunter

            weird – still that’s nothing to cry like a baby over – it’s not like he was raped in a swedish prison or something. Losing out to asian males is rough though. The asian ladies probably don’t like him because he is obsessive and unswayable, he also probably put them on a pedestal. He should actually take our advice for his own sake: learn to listen, take pride in your heritage, etc

          • Martel

            Asian girls do like European males, more so then Asian males generally. Both Charles Murray and Derbyshire picked up Asian girls without any issues. One of our regular posters has done the same. It must be troubling to fail such an easy pursuit.

          • benvad

            Tell him to follow the Roosh V website, that dude will set him straight. He’ll probably land a ten from Moldova after those lessons.

          • The one who rejected liked golf too much.

          • benvad

            Come to Japan if he wants one. I met my wife on a blind date in Canada. The reason we returned was to be near her folks and homesickness.

            Now if you come here single? You can land real stunners over here. I’ve seen models dating guys who look like Quasimodo on a bad day!

            People are really nice, especially in Kansai. Then again he’ll find out how the Asian mind actually works.

          • Martel

            I will keep an eye on you and ask you about the Asian mindset, I’m very interested in cultural differences and evolutionary psychology.

            I keep telling Engelman the same thing, go to Asia, its paradise for him over there and I don’t blame him. What he does currently on this blog is absurd though.

      • benvad

        They’re great worker bees, but the introverted bastards can’t come up with an ORIGINAL thought to save their lives. All of North East Asia is cut from the same fabric. I know I live in Japan.

        • wildfirexx

          They are great copycats though…they even have small suburbs in China that are exact replicates of many cultural buildings and cities throughout western Europe! lol

          • wildfirexx

            Pretty Impressive!…and I’ve seen other pictures on Y-tube.
            But Sadly, …I guess this is how they will celebrate our historical sites, and our history, when we have long gone extinct, thanks to multiculturalism and the birth control pill.

          • Northerner

            Many of China’s citizens can’t afford to travel the world, and these replicas give them a glimpse of it. It’s pretty neat. Don’t hate on what they did.

          • You cannot make me value emulation. It means we are their superior.

          • Northerner

            I’m going to take the simple example of western chefs cooking Asian cuisine. That’s also emulation. Does it mean that these chefs think they’re inferior to Asian chefs? No. Does it mean that Asian chefs consider themselves superior? Not necessarily.

            I think you’re a supremacist, but don’t go around being obvious about it, or else you’ll be in for some embarrassment.

        • benvad

          Anonymous–> I believe in telling then giving my opinions. My view doesn’t matter to the Japanese what so ever, because I’m a foreign alien in their country. I’ll speak my mind as I see fit, if you can’t deal with this. Then don’t read my comments (in other words, change the channel).

          I’m not demeaning them but stating a biological/cultural fact.

          The greatest daimyo in this country was a man who decided his moves on his own accord. That’s why he wasn’t a follower like this culture teaches them.

        • I’m sick and tired of the undeserved praise our pathetic men give to those semi-down syndrome Mongoloids in the east. We are suppose to sing their praises for being able to copy us and treat emulation as a superior trait – literally. It also baffles me how when Whites get a down syndrome baby they end up in despair over it, yet while White men desire to have one with an East Asian woman. Just so you know the horrid truth, White men, mulatto people are more attractive than eurasian ones with the down syndrome-like impression on their faces – plus the midget stature.

          • benvad

            I’ve seen Down syndrome kids in Japan and their indistinguishable from their white counterparts.

            I know I know that’s what white people are thinking “How can tell the difference between Asians and Down syndrome cases? Well you can very easily”.

      • Northerner

        Asian countries, especially China, didn’t have the political stability or financial capital to pursue innovation until recently. China also turned inwards and shut the world out during the 19th century. If they developed technologically in tandem with Japan, our world would look very different today.

      • JohnEngelman

        Orientals are catching up fast.

    • LACountyRedneck

      Asians aren’t creative enough to build universities that match those of the U.S. and other mostly White countries. With that high IQ they should be able to stay in their own countries and prosper. No reason for them to come to the U.S. We have no need for additional non-White immigrants. It’s highly damaging to our culture.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      I don’t buy Lynn’s BS about “east Asian cognitive superiority.” First of all, there’s precious little evidence for it, unlike the very well-documented black-white differences in IQ. Second, I suspect an ulterior motive. Lynn wants to deflect accusations of white supremacy and racism, while proving that the blacks are stupid.

  • WR_the_realist

    Fighting for affirmative action, illegal immigration, and hard core pornography — three reasons why this staunch advocate of the Bill of Rights could never give a dime to the ACLU.

    • LHathaway

      TY

  • John R

    “But, but, we are being punished because we work hard and are trying to do the right thing!” (Like they are the only group that can say that?) Yeah? Well, guess what, you China man, who probably voted for Obama: Cry us all on Amren a F&^*in RIVER and build us all a BRIDGE! I have no sympathy for people of my own race who voted for liberal pro-diversity Democrats, so why should I care for these fricken (I said “fricken” moderator, okay?) chinks? What goes around…..(On a positive note, it just proves that Asians are really no smarter than Whites, after all!)

  • tickyul

    HUM, Asians continually vote for the Demodummies……now they want to blubber about insane policies, MEH!

  • Anon

    Not sure where the lies originate here but Chinese people practice strict overtly racist national socialism. A small group of a single race (the Han) control everything in China and make sure all policies, behaviors, laws, etc. are for their benefit ONLY.
    All others are essentially slaves.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      The Chinese are also using massive immigration to commit cultural and demographic genocide against the people of Tibet.

      • benvad

        The Tibetans should revolt and act like arabs do. Oh I forgot! The Han will just exterminate them. Foolish me! I forgot they’re NOT altruistic caucasian sycophants.

      • Mergatroyd

        Which the UN calls genocide and gets the attention of the worldwide press, celebrities and massive fund raising to “save Tibet.”

        When it happens to whites, including the slaughter of the white minority in South Africa, the Western press and UN look the other way.

    • benvad

      I think we should copy them exactly.

    • Northerner

      So you dislike them for doing exactly what European countries should be doing?

  • MBlanc46

    Yes.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    “affirmative action ended with the November 1996 passage of Prop. 209”

    Affirmative action will never end. You can vote against it and courts can deem it unconstitutional, but you can guarantee that Leftists will always find ways to favor blacks and Hispanics.

  • LHathaway

    This is a ‘cannard’. 99.99% of affirmative action preferences are given to someone who is not a white male. These universities may be discriminating, but if the Asian students are able to graduate, perhaps even if they don’t, employers, both public and private, will favor them other white men. Dinesh D’Souza made a fairly big deal about this very happenstances (in his very excellent book Illiberal Education), Asians being discriminated in higher learning.

    The again, when the Bell Curve came out, and was being discussed on occassion at these very universities, my position was always to say, with as much seriousness as I could safely come up with, “How racist. . . How can he say Asians are smarter than whites”.

    Oh, this was seen as something horribly racist! I wasn’t a conservative, to be routinely batted down and put in their normal place. This idea was something truly. . alarming/of note. Listeners seem to think this somehow ‘devalued’ all the oppression they just knew blacks face. . . . perhaps it was just a natural response.

    Personally, I was just being a white advocate and had no agenda/no other agenda.

    That’s my story on the Bell Curve, anyway. And I’m sticking to it.

  • QuinnTheEskimo9

    “Asians in the San Gabriel Valley and beyond joined forces Friday to rally against a proposed Senate constitutional amendment, We need to put merit and academic performance as a priority.”

    When whites complain about anti-white discrimination and call for admissions to be merit-based, they are called every name for Nazi, racist and hater.

    Difference? Asians are allowed to join forces to fight against discrimination affecting their children, whites are not.

    • NoMosqueHere

      Why are whites not allowed to fight anti white discrimination? They most certainly are allowed to do so, under our federal and every state constitution. If certain whites are too feckless to stand up for themselves they deserve what they get.

      Self pity and the bad habit of blaming others is anti white.

      • Mergatroyd

        Try it and see what happens.

        Ask Kevin Lamb and other who have been fired from their jobs over showing even the slightest interest in white rights. Standing up for white rights means putting your career on the line and most of us here cannot take that risk.

        I’m open to suggestions as to how I can support white rights without risking my career or reputation.

        • LHathaway

          As far as maintaining your reputation. . start by naming yourself something other than ‘Mergatroyd’?

          Sorry, but I just can’t keep up with ‘hipness’. In fact, for me, I prefer not to try in the first place.

          • Mergatroyd

            I have no intention of changing my handle or avatar. You do not have a clue as to the meaning of ‘Mergatroyd’ otherwise you would not have written what you did.

  • Kenner

    Finally!

  • ViktorNN

    Like most stories coming out of California, this story is a preview of the future of the rest of the country.

    We see here two non-white racial groups using whatever demographic muscle they can muster to use this country’s legislative system to pass laws that benefit themselves or prevent some other group from getting a leg up at their expense.

    Meanwhile, whites will be permanently shut out of the racial spoils system because we possess phantom “privilege” from some bygone era that our grandchildren won’t even be aware of.

    • benvad

      Well they always said ” California is the trendsetter of the Nation”. Get ready for blood feuds, between all the colors. Good grief!! Which insane maniac decided to let any of them in??

  • Jotun Hunter

    I don’t know about better — just like they obsess over learning classical music – again they can only parrot what has been done for them.

    • DiversityIsDeath

      There is a saying– “Whites INNOVATE, yellows IMITATE.”

  • Jon Doe

    Well.. it only makes sense for those who actually work hard and earn their way into “privileged” positions. How are you suppose to feel if you work your butt off, paid all this money, invested all your time and effort only to have some black/mexican end up in the same position? (Affirmative Action)=(BS) I will never hire someone because the Government made me, I rather flee to Russia where at least Putin actually cares about his people and his country.
    Universities/Harvard has become a joke, they just let anyone in
    Federal Jobs filled with incompetent Blacks, instead of excuse me? can you repeat that, i get Hah… like wtf? really hah…
    City union workers taking their 2 hour time to fill a pothole
    Crooked Cops abusing their authority
    Politicians stealing tax money
    School boards and their “vacations”
    State Workers and their “overtime”
    America is Done

  • NoMosqueHere

    Asian americans voted for President Bonehead Hussein, amerika’s first affirmative action president, by a 3 to 1 margin. When they start voting for conservative republican candidates by similar margins, maybe I’ll start to consider them allies.

    • benvad

      Here here!

    • TXCriollo

      ya its called reap what you sew. California dems know losing the asian vote is meaningless as long as they have there liberal whites and mexicans they will win

    • Northerner

      Obama is president because of Whites, not Asians. Without a significant number of White votes, there’s no way he would have been elected. Don’t misdirect your blame.

  • benvad

    Keep them busy with studying and passing tests like they do in Japan.
    Cram schools is a way to keep them busy also sports.

    I teach in a high school and these kids are at it 6~7 days a week. Little maniacs!!

    • Jotun Hunter

      the japanese DO have something other asians don’t – something positively white – I can’t put my finger on it….

      • The Japanese are partly Something Else. Maybe something a little like whites.

        • Jotun Hunter

          apparently genetically they are some old race of Korean – they seem (and look) quite different from modern day Koreans however.

        • Well, well, our White men being retarded again, having to have the logic pointed out by their women. Japanese skulls are predominately North Mongoloid or else they could not be classified as North East Asian. Their IQ also would not/could not be 105 without being overwhelming North East Asian in genes. If they were (significantly) part something else, they would be mixed race peoples and they would be intellectually inferior to Koreans and North Chinese. Japanese, they look utterly Mongoloid to me. Partial Mongoloid is more like Native American and of course, look better for it.

    • DieWulfe

      Is this maniacal studying and passing tests parent pressure, culture?

      • benvad

        Everything you can imagine both verbal and also by silence. Silence is really loud over here, if you catch my drift?

        I could live here a hundred years and I still don’t get it. Don’t know about China or Korea, but it’s definitely Japan.

  • Reverend Bacon

    “He said it is equal opportunity, meaning student recruitment groups would be asked to consider race, gender and ethnicity as an additional point.”

    Is there anyone on here who can actually read that with a straight face? I guess it’s the Orwellian version of equality: “all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.”

  • SFLBIB

    It doesn’t matter if they repealed ALL of Prop 209. Administers of the higher ed system in California never obeyed it anyway.

    Stasi apparatchiks disappeared more meekly after the Soviet Empire’s collapse than California’s race commissars have retreated after voters tried to oust their preference regime.

    “Affirmative Action Showdown”
    by Heather MacDonald

    City Journal, January 30, 2007

    archive . frontpagemag . com/readArticle . aspx?ARTID=390

    • Martel

      I never heard of this particular Macdonald, thanks for the reference.

      • SFLBIB

        Here is another:
        “How UC Is Rigging The Admissions Process”
        Officials are perverting the law in a desperate attempt to increase black enrollment.
        September 7, 2008
        latimes . com/news/opinion/la-oe-mac_donald-2008sep07,0,1237273 . story
        If you do an internet search on her name, you will come up with other good articles on a variety of subjects.

        • Martel

          I always appreciate such suggestions, the article seems to be popular on google. Thanks again.

          • SFLBIB

            Glad to be of help. 🙂

  • Jotun Hunter

    according to your own earlier post it was all dark ages until the renaissance – and could broadly be called that by anyone, so you’re being pedantic to fudge the dates — 1185 isnt the dark ages, really engelman… all the above are european, you may have me on the crossbow alone, though that and the horseshoe are sketchy examples of ‘tomb finds’ – however they were put into practical use by Europeans and perfected – not the chinese. The nimrud lens is not a pair of spectacles nor a microscope. There was a great many other things on my list also.

    • JohnEngelman

      I acknowledge that there were significant inventions during the high middle ages. Nevertheless, it was not until the Renaissance that the West achieved an international dominance that seems to be fading now.

      • Jotun Hunter

        you mean SINCE the greeks/romans. With many excellent civilizations such as the vikings and normans in between. Our dominance will fade only until we grasp that it is. But I admit this is a remarkably fair sounding statement coming from you.

      • We’re picking up speed.

  • Jotun Hunter

    to re iterate a few more for you – you whom did not believe a single thing came out of the period until it was posted to you more than once:

    Spectacles, Clock, Hour glass, Minute Glass, Printing Press, Sun dial, Compass , Traverse Boards , Astrolabes, Cross-staffs, Nocturnals, Quadrants, Almanacs, Oars, The Rudder, Artesian wells, Mills, Windmills, Wheelbarrow, Horseshoes, Horsecollar, Moldboard Plough, Stirrups , The Bit and Bridle , The high-backed saddle , Siege weapons , The Lance , The Longbow , The Crossbow , The Flail , Chainmail Armor

    GOTHIC ARCHITECTURE

    regards gunpowder it was really roger bacon in 1249 who came up with the real deal, I forgot sawmills, scales for weighing, the piano, the trigger,oil painting, muzzle loaded rifles, whiskey, bell chimes, bottled beer

    I’m sure I could find more…. this is all european with the rules being to disclude greece, rome, and the time from the renaissance forward.

  • Jotun Hunter

    looks like the chinks may have done the crossbow allright – well I never said they didn’t do anything — just the usual drastic measures to combat your wild sweeping statements. They also invented silk engelman.

  • Jotun Hunter

    you may also take note how a white man (or even a sane man) reacts when he is found wrong (even in this minor case regarding the crossbow) — I take it on the chin and admit a mistake, and remain open to evidence – even possibly changing views – not sinking ever deeper into delusion and lies and retribution…

  • Raise your hand if you are White and are currently in a relationship with an Asian woman, have ever been in a relationship with an Asian woman, currently seeking a relationship or casual dating with an Asian woman, or admittedly suffer from Engelman Syndrome. Go ahead and speak up. Don’t be shy.

    • LHathaway

      What if you prefer black women?

      • You don’t usually run across many of those here.

        • SoulInvictus

          lololol….
          I was just scrolling through and hit your comment. The understated terse frankness made me laugh so hard my belly hurts.

    • Northerner

      That’s like half the guys on Amren.

    • Northerner

      Don’t expect to get an unbiased answer to your inquiry. This is one of the most controversial subjects on Amren.

      • It’s an unfortunate reality, but the truth is that almost every website out there that is pro-White or at least claims to be pro-White has serious issues when it comes to unfettered facts/truth vs predictable motives and agendas.

    • Jotun Hunter

      I actually did date a cute Korean girl with the curious name of ‘Eugene’ back in my PC college days. She didn’t talk much – and didn’t betray much ….emotion. Her english was also terrible, so we had short, stilted conversations after which I’d lunge at her and hope for the best. One thing I did enjoy was her total lack of western feminism, she used to think she was showing off by doing my laundry and cooking dinner.

      • Northerner

        The messed up part is that a lot of people here will blame Asian men for being domineering, but at the same time admire how little modern feminism Asian society has (as if the two weren’t somehow related). Asian guys are probably the last real men on Earth.

      • pcmustgo

        Most white women would think it showing off to cook their man a dinner. You can’t tell me white women don’t do that or try to. But perhaps too many try to make it a mutual, “we’re both cooking together” kind of thing?

    • Raises hand.

  • The steel prod for the crossbow was invented by Christians. The draw-weights for my crossbows are a bit over 300 pounds. I have to lay down and use my legs to cock one, and Sayaka says she can hear my shoulders creak while I do it. Some European crossbows with steel bows had draw weights of several tons. The Saracens – as written by Nur al Din were terrified of them during the Crusades.

    If you were hit with one of those, it didn’t matter how heavy your armor was; you were just dead, and that was that.

    Chinese crossbows used wooden prods.

  • Alucard_the_last

    It was the Asians who sued Berkeley to end affirmative action and they won. Just imagine if you studied your butt off to get all A’s just to be denied entrance because a C student gets in just because it is black.

  • LHathaway

    It’s not 1950. Many whites are likely here Because of one-sided rates of ‘intermarriage’. While you may be stuck in 1950, allow us to rant about our own issues? This seems about the only place for it?

  • Jotun Hunter

    It wasn’t chaos – it wasn’t as organized as before perhaps – there was, has been, is now, and will be war, poverty and plague — all the time engleman, everywhere, despite what you see on tv. The chinese have had a dark age since their ‘golden age’

  • Jotun Hunter

    I am not suprrised – just in time for the ‘golden age’ perhaps?

  • Jotun Hunter

    it means nothing to him – the romans did not have the SAT test scores

  • pcmustgo

    and too many whites are into celebrity culture and reality tv and “anything goes” parenting.

  • benvad

    It’s about protecting our rights as a “People”, it’s not about attacking others. I’m here because I want to see white people have a fair shake at the world. Not to limited by AA and ethnic politics/preferences.

    I want people to assimilate as far as they can. I don’t want to have an open door policy on immigration. I’m a permanent resident of Japan, but I’m not a citizen. I don’t have the same rights/obligations as a non citizen.

    I’d like to see these laws implemented in my country and yours.

  • benvad

    Can you really equate a Nigerian with Singaporean Chinese, are you kidding me? Just to let you know, outside of American Bantus hatred, whites especially men are desired beyond belief.

    I’ve seen many crappy areas of this world, especially west Africa and I was treated very well by humble gracious people.

    That being said, I don’t want them in my country, I want them to develop and build their country.

    Each their own but based on free interaction. When whites want to have their own areas, I say god bless them.

  • The Verdict of History

    Not 410.

    476.

  • That’s a fair question. At the risk of being a hypocrite I would say “no”, but if they treated women better I’d have fewer problems with the ideal. If my daughter married anyone other than than a white guy, Japanese guy or some combination of the two, I wouldn’t like it very much. Chinese guys treat women better than Japanese fellows, but for the sake of marital harmony between me and my wife, I would rather Ariadne not marry a Chinese.

  • The Chinese practice “state capitalism”, which is almost the same thing.

  • And yes with these ‘assumptions’ hes all very quick to claim superiority and become preoccupied with it. That’s because its more to do with desperation of superiority than actually possessing it. Inferior-feeling is the DRIVING FORCE of a superiority complex. The truth is that actual superiority – of any kind – is a modest beast and it doesn’t announce itself.

  • benvad

    Deal with your own issues. Why don’t you post your name? Are you afraid of something?

  • benvad

    That’s how Germans reacted with their occult/racist classification based on aryan thoughts and myths. The Chinese Han are very racist as is every group of nationally aware people.

    Whites are interested in not being overwhelmed and being harmed in their own lands. Being harmed physically, culturally & financially is the problem. Like Mr. Taylor has said whites want space and freedom, that’s what this site is all about.

    If you want to reincarnate George Lincoln Rockwell’s ghost, well then be my guest, but steer clear of me. By the way quit being anonymous and grow a pair you wimp.

  • benvad

    I Think you’re some Korean or Chinese trolling in these forums. You seem way too concerned of insulting people in their countries.

    I don’t give a damn.

  • JohnEngelman

    Thank you. That is a point I continually make here.

  • JohnEngelman

    The average IQ for an Arab is 85. The average for an Ashkenazi Jew is 110.

    “Arabic” numerals were actually invented in India.

  • The Verdict of History

    “No, the mathematics you think were created by Arabs, were actually thought up by Greeks, Babylonians and Persians.”

    Thank you for mentioning this.

    “The word “algebra” is derived from the Arabic word Al-Jabr, and this comes from the treatise written in 820 by the medieval Persian mathematician, Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī, entitled, in Arabic Kitāb al-muḫtaṣar fī ḥisāb al-ğabr wa-l-muqābala, which can be translated as The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_algebra