Students Without Documentation Not Granted In-State Tuition

Tara Jeffries, Daily Tar Heel, January 24, 2014

N.C. Attorney General Roy Cooper’s office deemed N.C. students without documentation ineligible for in-state tuition in a letter released Thursday—but activists, embattled from a 30-mile march earlier this month in pursuit of policy change, say the fight is far from over.

The advisory letter states that immigration policy falls under federal authority, and students without documentation—including those qualifying for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, which grants deferred deportation to those brought to the U.S. without documentation as children—do not meet residency requirements for in-state tuition.


But N.C. Rep. Marcus Brandon, D-Guilford, who requested Cooper’s legal opinion last month, said the outcome came as no surprise.

“I was hopeful for a different response, but I was expecting it,” Brandon said. “The attorney general made it very clear that this is something we would have to tackle on the federal level. His hands are tied; he has to abide by the current law.”

Brandon said tuition policy could also shift through a change in state law. He is sponsoring a bill would topple the status quo, allowing in-state tuition for some N.C. students without documentation.


Brandon said the current policy creates a class distinction that drives students without documentation to the bottom tier of the workforce.

“We give them enough education to be low-level workers, but not enough education to be skilled workers, and that is an injustice,” he said.


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  • Druid

    Students Without Documentation Not Granted In-State Tuition, Daily Tar Heel
    That will never happen here in the People’s Republic of New Jersey.

    • John R

      He had the gall to say that “we have already invested so much in these people we may as well invest more…” That is like saying, the burglar broke in, and already stole half your possessions, so you may as well give him the other half!

      • GeneticsareDestiny

        These people don’t seem to understand the sunk cost fallacy. Just because you’ve wasted money on a bad investment does not mean you ought to waste even more on it.

        The best thing to do when you find out an investment you’ve made is bad is to stop investing in it.

        • Max

          They are only following the long-standing federal policy models such as continuing to fund failed military misadventures “We can’t cut and run…” or “the war on drugs” or “the war on poverty” and for the same reason. They divert tax dollars to favored industries and organizations in the name of some high-sounding cause such as “freedom”, “liberty”, “equality”, “opportunity”, “safety”, ad nauseam.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Yeah, libs want to give illegal aliens in-state tuition and force those who live one foot over the state line the bill.
    Good news here.

  • MekongDelta69

    Ahh – the one good article I’ve always requested AmRen at least once every few weeks…

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    Roy Cooper is a Democrat attorney general of North Carolina. He is positioning himself to run for the Senate against conservative Republican Richard Burr in 2016. He hopes to pick up some independent and middle-of-the-road voters by tacking to the right of his party. It just might confuse a few voters.

  • Spartacus

    “We give them enough education to be low-level workers, but not enough
    education to be skilled workers, and that is an injustice,” he said.”


    They don’t have the IQ necessary to be skilled workers….

    • Max

      It is indeed an injustice. We should not be educating them at all.

    • Shawn_thefemale

      ‘We give’ being the operative words here.

  • ncpride

    They can add total rejection of Common Core to their list of things to do. We have enough opposition to do it if they’ll listen to us.

  • Greg Thomas

    “Brandon said the current policy creates a class distinction that drives students without documentation to the bottom tier of the workforce.”

    These traitors do not even try to hide their treason any longer. Illegal invaders should be on the “bottom tier of the workforce” since it’s illegal for them to be working at all. In fact, they should not even be here. Why not take about plans for deportation and enforcing our laws, rather than aiding and abetting illegal invaders.

    • Long Live Dixie

      Will this insanity ever end?

      Not as long as Dixie is ruled by the US government.

      It’s worth noting that Brandon mentions tackling this “at the federal level”. That will certainly be the next step for the agitators and will be far more likely to be successful.

      • Brian

        How would an independent Dixie deal with the blacks and the horde of browns we now have in GA?

        • Long Live Dixie

          Millions of blacks left the South after Southerners regained political power following Redemption. Simply ending welfare, black privilege, white guilt, etc., will cause millions of them to leave. Once it is clear that our country is run for our benefit and not for theirs, millions of them will move on to greener pastures. That is not a end solution, but it is a good start. We could steadily separate those who remain. The South African homelands might be a good model to work from.

          The same is essentially true for the Mexicans only they will probably be more eager to self-deport than the blacks since they are much more recent arrivals in Dixie and still have family in Mexico.

          • Brian

            Simply ending welfare, black privilege, white guilt, etc., will cause millions of them to leave.
            ‘Leave’? If Dixie is a separate nation from what’s left of the USA, what guarantee is there that the USA would take the blacks? In a scenario that allows for a neo-CSA, the USA would have some serious troubles of its own, and I wonder if they’d invite more. It’s more likely that when the gibsmedat tap gets cut off, they’ll stay south (given their lack of initiative), riot, and you’d have to shoot them. I don’t see them doffing their top hats and saying ‘I guess we’ll be off then’.

          • Long Live Dixie

            The US is full of people who think that Obama is a Godsend. Turning black refugees back at the border is not likely. But, let’s say they do. Then we’ll have to find another way to deal with them. The important thing here is not to hash out every detail of what might happen in the future. The important thing here is to focus on the idea that it is the South’s forced union with the USA that has caused racialism to be systematically dismantled in the South. Given our independence, the Southern people will naturally revert to our way of doing things. Likewise, the Northerners will move further to the Left.

          • Brian

            history tells us they don’t. There have been two migration periods when blacks left the South by the millions (if Wikipedia is right then 6.6 million left the South during the 20th century).
            Both of those times were transfers _within one country_. If the CSA had won the WBTS, the ‘great migration’ of blacks to northern cities from 1900-1920 never would have been allowed. As it was, Michigan had no way to prevent hordes of blacks from moving to Detroit, as they were US citizens. If they’d been CSA citizens, the USA would not have allowed the ‘unwelcome foreigners’ from coming in.

            I agree though, that in whatever scenario might come to pass that would even allow the neo-CSA to form, the US would be in such chaos that they might not be able to stop mass migrations. And I agree that if the blacks rioted locally, yes, that might actually be easier to deal with.

            In any case, I’m not trying to toss water on the fire– just trying to think through some possible ways this could play out.

            Old times there are not forgotten…

          • Long Live Dixie

            Considering the US happily welcomes millions of Mexicans , I see no reason why the US would not welcome blacks coming from Dixie – which the US would probably not even recognise as an independent country. If they don’t let them in, then it will be the US that deals with riots. And without Southern influence, the remnant US will have lurched to the Left, leaving them in no ideological position to do anything but surrender to the demands of the rioters.
            At any rate, this is all hypothetical. When the time comes, circumstances may be different.

          • Shawn_thefemale

            It seems to me that the upcoming scenario of the U.S., including Dixie, is absolutely impossible to predict. There are a million possible ways the future will play out, and every now and then the most unexpected, unpredictable happens. I feel sure whatever it will be is going to be miserable for most, blindingly unfair and will anger the majority of Americans beyond their wildest imagination.

            If the White American population doesn’t wake up soon and band together, this world won’t be worth living in.They can turn things around if they just WILL.

          • Brian

            And I feel sure you are right. I suspect there will come another Dark Age of some kind, but how long it will last, and what will emerge– who knows?

          • Katherine McChesney

            I don’t believe that the South will rise again. There are too many Southern Whites who’ve become politically correct and accept blacks as their equals.

          • Brian

            The only way there could be an independent republic of Dixie is if the USA goes through economic meltdown, and the federal behemoth dissolves or shrinks severely, leaving states or smaller units to fend for themselves. And in that case, whether liberals whites consider blacks their equals or not will not matter.

  • Luca

    Just another liberal propaganda tactic. Gimme a break. Has anyone done a study and presented figures on how many students we are talking about and by looking at other States, what is their failure rate?

    In my experience most of these types like to show up for the classes so someone back home can boast that junior is the first in the family to go to college. Graduating or even finishing a class is a whole other story.

  • bigone4u

    The concept of allowing illegals to attend a public university boggles my mind, much less giving them reduced tuition. And they claim to be “living in the shadows.” What also boggles my mind is the logic of white liberals that is dredged up out the garbage can to support this nonsense. Educating illegals so they can take a job that a citizen could take is treason as far as I’m concerned.

    • T_Losan

      The US is the only country in the world where this is even an issue. In most countries being an illegal immigrant is a punishable offense, and in general the poorer the country, the harsher the punishment.

  • Far be it from me to suggest that they should go to the countries where their documentation is relevant and attain higher education there.

    Closer be it that we read the original article and use *-docment-* as a drinking game.

  • John R

    Awwwww….people living in that state illegally are not going to be granted the privilege of paying in state tuition? Gee. That is soooo unfair! (What is funny is that there are people in our government that would actually take that statement seriously!)

  • GeneticsareDestiny

    I hate when liberals call them things along the lines of “students without documentation.” These are not American kids who’ve misplaced their birth certificates and social security cards.

    These are criminal illegal alien invaders.

  • MBlanc46

    “But N.C. Rep. Marcus Brandon, D-Guilford, who requested Cooper’s legal opinion last month, said the outcome came as no surprise.”

    It’s interesting to watch the Talented Tenth throw their black brethren under the Mexican bus.

    • IstvanIN

      Actually not so interesting. Blacks aren’t very good to each other under most circumstances and, if it means “getting whitey” in some way, will destroy the society they live in without a second thought, regardless of the effect on their own.

      • Shawn_thefemale

        True – I guess they unconsciously have the reassurance that they will be taken care of by ‘society’ (AKA Whites), therefore never have to give the first thought about actually taking an active part in deciding their future.

      • MBlanc46

        They kill each other all the time. But generally the black leadership has is has a pretty keen sense for opposing any policy that negatively impacts blacks. But they’ve completely caved on Mexican immigration.

  • JohnEngelman

    Brandon said the current policy creates a class distinction that drives students without documentation to the bottom tier of the workforce.

    – Tara Jeffries, Daily Tar Heel, January 24, 2014

    Laws should be enforced. If they are here illegally they should be deported. Those who hire them should be punished.

    • MBlanc46

      Of course, they should be driven out of the workforce entirely.

  • r j p

    Just like the negroes?

  • borogirl54

    With more affirmative action, right?

  • Max

    Could I practice as an “undocumented” attorney?
    May I carry weapons without”documentation”?
    May I travel around in an auto without “documentation”?
    Only a Jewish lawyer could come up with some legal theory that stipulates that a person from another COUNTRY has privileges superior to a citizen from a neighboring state. Why is this question even entertained?

    • T_Losan

      Someone, somehow managed to turn the narrative into a human rights issue. Debasing the value of your own citizenship is so suicidal and idiotic that even the most backwards of countries couldn’t be convinced to.

  • Max

    That is very offensive. I plan to play it at work frequently.

  • IstvanIN

    What is terribly bizarre is that there is even a debate over this topic or any other discussion about giving rewards to illegal immigrants. And that the majority of politicians, of both parties, cater to illegal politicians. It really makes you wonder who is pulling the strings and for what reason. And while most of us have a fair idea of who is pulling the strings of even greater importance is why so many politicians are willing to sell out their own country and their own people for a few shekels. Or are they all such low-lifes that they are so easily blackmailed? Sell out your children’s future for political gain today. Does my own governor, the man who has now seen how his Democrat buddies have turned on him, really have that little regard for his own four children’s future? The Bushes are not only traitors to the nation but are also race traitors, so I can see why they want a third world America, but why all the rest?

  • Corto

    I think this university is the same where a few years back a muslim student drove a vehicle into a crowd of students for Allah/Mohammed.

  • Katherine McChesney

    I’m a Southerner but I’ve never heard it called “Dixie’s Land”. We just called it “Dixie”.