Irish Language Centre Opens in East Belfast

BBC, January 9, 2013

A new Irish language centre has opened in east Belfast to cope with an increasing number of learners.

The Turas centre, based in the Skainos building on the Newtownards Road, houses a classroom, offices and a library/social area.

The centre was opened by local man Sam Evans who was a founder member of the Progressive Unionist Party.

Development officer Linda Ervine said a growing interest in the language had led to the need to expand.

Ms Ervine said a “taster” Irish class held three years ago had revealed a surprising level of interest in the language.

“We started a regular class two years ago which was meant to last for 15 weeks,” she said.

“At present, there are eight weekly classes held in the Skainos centre.

“We had to expand to cope with the increasing numbers. Now, around 90% of our learners are Protestants.

“People contact me on a weekly, even daily basis. All we have done is to open the door.”

As part of the growing interest in the Irish language in east Belfast, a further two classes, one for children and one for parents, are to be held at Dundonald High School.

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  • thatcher76

    Hmmm, not sure why this is posted here. Because it’s an example of ethnic solidarity? That is, Irish ethnicity trumping larger state allegiances (ie loyalty to Britian). But isn’t Northern Ireland a Tory stronghold? Aren’t protestant Ulstermen violently opposed to unification with Ireland? The whole thing is rather confusing to me and never did understand the violent goings-on in that part of the world. I wish Derb would comment.

    • sbuffalonative

      I think you’re adding too much political baggages to this story.

    • dd121

      You can tell the Ulster guys from the Republican guys because when digging a hole the Orange guys use their right foot and the Republicans use their left.

  • Spartacus

    Let’s hope the next step is learning that dark-skins must be kept out of their lands at all costs.

  • skara_brae

    Pogue mahone.

  • gemjunior

    I think what we’re seeing is definitely an example of ethnic solidarity. And (I predicted this decades ago) religion will cease to be important now that everyone is being engulfed with “diversity”. Religion in N.I. used to equal class, but that divide has narrowed and the new generation isn’t experiencing anything to be angry about that causes them to join up. I think that he unemployment is equally distributed, and both groups of whites are now seeing they actually have a worse enemy – bankers and immigration. The Irish language is only slightly different from Scots Gaelic, and the Protestants (Irish Protestants?) or planters consider themselves descended mainly from them. Maybe they wish to be fluent in both, and taking classes in Irish will speed them along. Who really knows? But I spent a lot of time in N.I. when it was actually a bad place to live and I was surprised how similar both populations were. It sometimes took some detective work to find out if which someone was without asking directly, “which foot they dug with”. Finding out their address was one way (which side of town it was on), finding their last name (“McSeamus” would likely be Catholic while “Edwards” or “Norman” might not. A first name of Liam or Sean would be Catholic. However now there are more “mixed marriages” LOL. Protestants in times past wouldn’t be caught dead learning Irish or calling their son “Liam” but times are really changing now there are piles of nonwhites and non-Irish.

    • Alfred the Great

      “Mr. Lamumba Okwayeyoma” Excellent!

    • newscomments70

      Irish/English, Catholic/Protestant, that entire conflict never made sense to me. Both cultures and races are very similar, and both of the common enemy of multiculturalism and immigration. I’ve been a member of both religions and I don’t like the upper clergy of either. Some of the members and lower clergy are nice, but those churches support amnesty, mass immigration, and other destructive policies. Where I live in the US, most Catholic churchgoers are Mexican. I started attending to the mostly white Anglican church to be with my own. I found out that most of the members were doddering, elderly white liberals. At mass, they prayed for Obama and gay marriage. Both churches are anti-white. I still believe in basic Christianity, but I will not give one cent to any church.

      • Pelagian

        You seem to be minimizing/dismissing a 400 year old split based on your understanding of how the churches have behaved in the last 40 years under the influence of extreme modernism/liberalism. In normal times, the split is huge, monumental, making all the difference. In these abnormal times, sure, a conservative Protestant probably gets along well with a conservative Catholic. But their theological outlooks create two entirely different worlds … even within the consistency of both being white European phenomena.

      • Sick of it

        Yikes, try another denomination. I can see how the Anglican “church” would turn you off the faith, but these people preach the word of Anti-Christ, not Christ. The Bible is more important than what some joker in a fancy outfit has to say.

        • newscomments70

          The Anglican church in our area no longer has families with children. All of the younger people have left. It consists only of doddering, old liberals, as I mentioned. The “priest” isn’t necessarily evil, but he goes on and on about the wonderful African priests he has met, as well as other liberal diatribes. I would call the parish more out-of-touch than evil. Another Anglican parish nearby used to have a gay priest. Not only was the guy a pervert (with adults, not kids), but the sermons were overtly gay propaganda and gay politics. That was a more serious situation, because there was a school on church grounds. There were kids everywhere. That is one messed-up church.

  • the sound the flood the hour

    In addition to invading the country themselves didn’t the brits send scots into northern ireland at one point as one of their methods of colonization? You would think after something like that the irish people would be more adamant about keeping an ethnocentric immigration policy especially since they’ve already lost their native language at this point. How much more are they willing to lose? I say that b/c the people there seem to be very liberal but I could be wrong.

    • Alfred the Great

      Whoever the people were who ultimately became the Scots were the first into Iberia or at least they were the first to control it. It was not Hibernia on some of the ancient maps that I have researched. In addition, many of the B.C. maps of the Romans had Scotia (Land of the Scots) written across both Ireland and Scotland. My point is that the Irish have no claims on Ireland, much less Northern Ireland.

      • the sound the flood the hour

        Okay so who has to claim to it then? Are you saying the original ancestors of the scots are the people who originally populated the country? If so, haven’t they been there long enough to develop their own distinct culture and group interests?

        • Alfred the Great

          The jury is still out on this, but a theory of mine is that the Hebrews colonized many areas, one area was in Iberia (Spain), then they worked their way up the Atlantic coastline, and over into Britain. And then several hundred years later, more (by then Israelites) came from the Caucasus, into Northwestern Europe, and some went into Britain as the Saxons. In short, DNA shows that all of these peoples are closely related, i.e., R1b. However, they developed certain differences because of various times of isolation and some mixing. But they are all the same people. What I cannot figure out is where did the I1a DNA come from. These are the Scandinavians or Vikings. An alternate theory is to put the Aryans in place of the Hebrews and Israelites. To answer your question, I think that the Scots and the Irish are kin, so they shouldn’t be fighting each other.

        • Katherine McChesney

          .

      • IstvanIN

        I have a friend who makes a similar argument about England, that since England was invaded so many times there really are no indigenous English. Poppycock. Today, and for many hundreds of years, there have been Irishmen, Scots, Englishmen and Welsh. We know who they are, they know who they are and they are entitled to their bits of the British Isles. We need to stop living in the distant past and fighting old battles and deal with today. The past is gone, we need to defend the children of today.

        • the sound the flood the hour

          From what I understand, each of the past invasions england experienced never altered the ethnic makeup of england by no more than 5% at the very most. These invasions were not ongoing either and were spaced out by several hundred years each. So its a false analogy considering 80% of britain today is non white and probably 70-75% non british when you consider eastern europeans as a distinct group.

          • curri

            Plus the last major invasion before the current one was way back in 1066.

      • Fathercoughlin

        “…the Irish have no claim on Ireland…” Alfred go to your room. No supper for you. Nitwit! đŸ™‚

    • Kit Ingoldby

      The Ulsterman have been in Northern Ireland for longer than the Yanks have been in America.

      • TheAntidote

        Why would that be impressive, seeing that both are an exceeding short span of human history? Anyway, you’re wrong:
        Plantation of Ireland begins 1609
        Jamestown, Virginia 1607

        • Kit Ingoldby

          The Plantation of Ireland began in 1606, try and get your own facts right before accusing other people of being wrong…….

          And it isn’t intended to be ‘impressive’, it’s intended to give some perspective to the stupid Americans who continually seek to stir up trouble in Ireland and basically deny the right of the Ulstermen to exit.

          • TheAntidote

            How ridiculous. Deny the right to exit? it would be a win-win if the “Ulstermen” exited. I and the world would rejoice. Indeed, if they consider themselves British, they should exit to Britain.

  • Katherine McChesney

    My ancestor came from Brittany, France and settled in Waterford, Ireland. He was the Sheriff of Waterford. If I lived in Ireland I would want to learn the native language.

    • IstvanIN

      With all due respect the native language would be English, an Irish dialect of English, but English none the less. Irish is no more the native language of Ulster than Swahili is for American blacks. Mind you, preserving the ancient language of Ireland is not a bad thing, any more than preserving Latin is, but time marches on and English long ago supplanted any “native” Irish language, just as Italian and Spanish have long replaced Latin. How we chose our words is important because a lesson can be learned. As time passes and a new language, culture, religion or race replaces another the new eventually becomes the indigenous or native. This is why both Europeans and the Anglo-sphere world wide should resist their replacement. Eventually we will become a chapter in a history book and not the current peoples. Something to be studies and preserved, but not a functioning, living people.

      “Irish” will never be the native language of Ireland ever again. The bigger and more important question is will the Irish people be the natives of Ireland or will the Nigerians supplant them?

      • Homo_Occidentalis

        I view every act of rebellion against the socialist stronghold of London by Britain and Ireland’s Celtic peoples as a positive development for the white race. The United Kingdom has proven time and again that it will always cede to globalist interests when they conflict with the interests of its own white citizens. It has lost all legitimacy and deserves to be overthrown.

        • frederickdixon

          Very true. As an Englishman I’m very aware that the British state – whose institutions have been wholly usurped by the “equalities and diversity” agenda – is the deadliest enemy of the English people. I Iong for a free, white, English England, and for a similar freedom for the other nations now trapped within the British state.

          • David Brims

            You gotta feel sorry for the English, just as London is not English, New York is not American and Paris is not French anymore. All 3 resemble Towers of Babels , a dystopian nightmare. All very sad.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            “Blade Runner” comes to mind.

  • Steven Barr

    The issue in Northern Ireland is not as clear cut as it is portrayed. There are plenty of Catholics who want to remain in the UK and Protestants who desire a United Ireland.
    However, I’m not entirely sure if this story is true or just wishful thinking on the part of Nationalists. There isn’t much interest in learning Irish even in the Republic of Ireland. The Welsh, ironically, have been much more successful at preserving their language than the Irish despite remaining in union with England.

  • sbuffalonative

    Goodness. When you provide white people with the opportunity to learn about their culture they actually express an interest.

  • Alfred the Great

    Thomas Jefferson learned Anglo-Saxon and wanted it taught in the schools. He understood what it meant to stay grounded.

  • bigone4u

    Great story! Even with the bad news we so often get, there are green shoots growing everywhere.

    • Alfred the Great

      The problem is that there are not enough green shoots. However, the story was a welcome departure from all of the bad news.

  • PvtCharlieSlate

    Cymru fo am byth!

    • Alexandra1973

      Hold on, let me get my Welsh dictionary!

  • David Ashton

    What only Irish and not Albanian, Bulgarian, Chinese, Dundhari….Zulu (yes, we even have Zulu children in “England” aka Moldikolcha, probably escapees from Zumatraz)?

  • Pelagian

    A college languages professor, whose specialty is Japanese but who is a general polyglot, once told me that she had spent a summer living in a Gaeltacht in Ireland in order to learn Irish and that Irish was a harder language than Japanese. “*Much* harder”, were her exact words.

  • Pelagian

    I always knew that the ethnic identity of Northern Irish Protestants was a lot more complicated than it looked. But this story still surprises me greatly. I wonder if it has anything to do with the UK turning into Londonistan? Northern Irish Protestants always seemed so English-leaning, to me. I mean, when I was over there the IRA newspapers were always written in Irish, as an act of defiance. And the bilingual street signs ended once you crossed over into No. Ireland.

  • Chris Granzow XI

    This is one of the keys to fighting against multiculturalism and globalization: revive ethnic tradition, language, culture and keep tight-knit ethnic groups. I hope the rest of Europe will follow suit and revive these regional languages, cultures and ethnic groups (i.e. Bretons, Basque, Galicians, Silesians, Frisians, Moravians, etc).

  • Hunter Morrow

    Minister of Justice Shatter claimed that was anti-semitic and racist.
    He ordered sensitivity training instead and replaced instruction materials with
    The Joy of Yiddish workbooks.

  • dd121

    The English first took their land then took their language. People can get proprietary about that.

    • Zimriel

      His name’s “Evans”. He’s Welsh, not English. . .

      But most Ulstermen are Scottish immigrants, which is to say re-migrants from Dal Riada. If their names start with “Mac” then they’re Gaelic. I’d be interested to see those stats in fact.

    • Kit Ingoldby

      The English did no such thing.

      If you really care about the truth, you’ll be interested to know that it was the Scots who settled in Ireland, not the English.

      • dd121

        Where did Oliver Cromwell come from?

        • Pelagian

          Hell.

        • Fathercoughlin

          Underneath a large rock

          • dd121

            You’re too kind.

        • Kit Ingoldby

          Oliver Cromwell never settled in Ireland.

  • David Brims

    What’s the old joke, if you leave one Irishman alone in a room, he’ll start a fight with himself !!

    • Sick of it

      That explains part of my family pretty well.

  • David Brims

    There’s muslim refugees in Iceland now, saw it on YouTube.

    • Ella

      NO!!!

    • itdoesnotmatter

      Muzzies in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia as well. Even the Isle of Man, for crying out loud!
      As they say, “whatever it takes, no matter how long it takes.”

  • Chris

    Éirinn go BrĂ¡ch

  • Katherine McChesney

    I always heard that the Stone of Scone was Jacob’s pillow (piller). The one he lay his head upon when saw the ladder ascending into heaven.

  • Katherine McChesney

    I get tears in my eye every time I hear “Jerusalem”. It is almost as if the English blood coursing through my veins recognizes it.

  • Truth Teller

    My first thought is that Stan Evans is a typical grant hustler living on government grants. Ms. Erskine is obviously the local government employee who parcels out the grants.
    Next up illegal immigrant felonious grant hustlers will be given grants for a muslim cultural center where the natives will be berated for objecting to muslim immigrant crime and pimping and gang rape of 12 year old Irish girls.

  • Truth Teller

    Alfred the Great
    In ancient times Iberia was not Ireland but Spain and Portugal. Hibernia was Ireland. According to all the standard UK history books, the Scotti tribe was originally Irish but invaded and stayed in Scotland around 400 500 AD eliminating the Picts. That is what is taught from primary school to university.

  • Truth Teller

    Alfred the Great
    That theory that he ancient Hebrews colonized the Uk is a lot of 19th century romantic movement nonsense. There was an actual British Israelite society that created that myth. I believe Queen Victoria and several prime ministers and other members of the elite belonged. Many upper middle class people joined hoping to social climb and mingle with aristocrats.
    They rediscoverd and spread the ancient Catholic myth that Joseph of Armenthia kept the crown of thorns and took it to England. There he planted the crown which grew into a tree. Joseph also founded Glastonbury Abbey where King Arthur and his second wife, Queen Guinevere were buried.
    Another ancient Hebrew bit of nonsense is that the Stone of Scone on which the ancient warlords of Scotland were crowned King was the very stone on which Abraham proposed to murder his son on orders of the old man in the sky. Sometime after Christianity came to Britain, angels dug up the stone and flew it to Scotland.
    There is DNA evidence that some ancient Brits came from Egypt. There is also DNA evidence that the Irish are related to the people of Gallicia on the north west coast of Spain and Berber peoples on the west coast of Morocco.
    But the truth is that the people of Britain are descended from people who lived there 40,00 years ago. There were immigrants of course but not enough to change the genetic make up of the majority of the British.
    You also need to know that 9 thousand years ago England and Scotland were still connected to the continent at the Dover Calais crossing. The north sea had not risen enough to break through to the channel. And Ireland was still connected to Scotland, more less North east Ireland (Ulster) to Southwest Scotland.
    And they and the peoples of what is now France, the low countries, northern Spain and Italy and much of Germany were celts or guals as the Romans later called them

  • Truth Teller

    Alfred the Great
    Please give a reputable source for your claim that Jefferson learned anglo saxon and wanted it taught in the schools.
    Saxon was a 500 AD German language. Jefferson never went to an English or German university so how could he possible have learned anglo saxon? During the 18th century European academics and intellectuals denigrated their own European culture and worshipped the ancient Romans and Greeks. It was not until about 1820 that European intellectuals became interested in their own origins before the Roman conquest. The romantic movement was part of this interest in their own, not Roman history.
    There is no evidence whatsoever that Jefferson had an interest in Germany or 500 AD Germany. or the German dialect spoken in the principality of Saxony. He was however, in love with the French language, food and all things French.

    • saxonsun

      No accounting for bad taste.

    • Alfred the Great

      I assume that Jefferson learned Saxon on his own. In his writings he included the Lord’s Prayer in Saxon and stated that the language should be taught in the schools. And regarding another of your comments, I didn’t confuse Iberia and Hibernia. On some old maps Ireland is also labeled Iberia. I don’t make this stuff up.

  • Truth Teller

    Alfred the Great

    Iberia is Spain and Portugal not Ireland. How can you possibly claim that the Scots colonized Spain. Or are you confusing Iberia and Hibernia.? People lived in Ireland thousands of years before the English invasion. The first Scots arrived in Ireland around 1610 sent there by James 1. There were all from the wild border bandit tribes. James wanted them out of Scotland to stop their raids into northern England. He also wanted to save money . The permanent garrison at Berwick was there to keep the wild Scots border bandit tribes out of N. England.

    So he deported the bandit tribes to Ireland to eliminate the Irish.

    Even more ridiculous is your statement that the Irish have no claim to either the Republic or N. Ireland.

    • the sound the flood the hour

      Thank you, that’s what I thought.

  • loyalwhitebriton

    Living here in the UK, everybody, EVERYBODY, knows that there will be eventual reunion of Ulster with the Republic. Even Ulster protestants know this. Frankly, I don’t care. It can happen tomorrow for all I care. I lived through the 70’s & 80’s when IRA bombs were going off left-right-and-centre. Most of them in England, even though Ulster prots are Scots. Anyway, who care about a Gaelic school in Belfast! Let them all speak gaelic. My main concern at the moment is the literally massive influx of blacks and muzzies into the UK, not to mention east Euro gypsies.

    • LACounty

      Good luck to you, Sir, and greetings from the U.S.

    • Kit Ingoldby

      Everyone I know, knows no such thing.

      If you really think that the Ulstermen are going to meekly accept any ‘reunion’ (they have never been united!) with the Republic, then you are going to get a very unpleasant shock.

      • loyalwhitebriton

        You must live in a different part of the UK than me, that’s all I can say, or perhaps you live in a loyalist stronghold, in which case your view would be understandable. Anyway, the conversations I’ve had, and from what I’ve read, there seems to be a feeling of inevitability about reunion. I am not suggesting that Ulster prots are going to “meekly” accept anything, and I fully expect there to be violence and bloodshed when re-unification happens. But it will happen. Demographics can determine fate.

        • Kit Ingoldby

          I am friends with both Nationalists and Unionists and am familiar with Belfast and surrounding areas.

          And I can state, quite clearly, that there is NO feeling of inevitability about union with the Republic (Not reunion,they have never been united).

          The Unionist people of Northern Ireland are absolutely determined to never accept being taken over by the Republic. And, interestingly, the Nationalists are increasing less and less enthusiastic on the idea.

          I’m not basing that on talks with extremists or people who are particularly politically active but on the attitudes of normal people in Northern Ireland. I have been constantly surprised by how deeply and fundamentally held the attitudes of the people there are.

          When you state that EVERYONE knows that Ireland is going to take over Northern Ireland you are simply wrong. I’m afraid you have no real idea of the actual attitudes of the real people of Northern Ireland and Ireland and are making very strong statements based on distorted hearsay.

          • Pelagian

            “When you state that EVERYONE knows that Ireland is going to take over Northern Ireland you are simply wrong. ”

            you’re probably right. But I’ve heard that stated, but only in the context that Catholics were having children at three times the rate of Protestants, so they eventually would have demographic power. Of course that was before Vatican II really took hold and Catholics began contraception at rates similar to Protestants.

  • Kit Ingoldby

    And the Ulstermen have been in Ulster longer than the Yankees have been in America.

    As I previously posted…….

    • TheAntidote

      The “native” Irish of Celtic culture in Northern Ireland have been there since at least 200 BC. Elements of these people had been there since neolithic times. The “Ulstermen” or the Scots Irish or the orange (call them what you will) arrived from the lowlands of Scotland during the plantation of James I.
      America and Ulster are contemporaneous.

  • TheAntidote

    Don’t be obtuse. In this context, as used by Kitingolsby, “Yanks” is being used in the European sense to mean American or “stupid American”. Get it?