Which Races Produce More Bullies?

Richard Lynn, American Renaissance, December 19, 2013

Richard Lynn writes: Which races have the most bullies? An article giving an answer to this question has recently been published by three British psychologists in a study lead by Dr Neil Tippett. They defined bullying as “aggressive behaviour, engaged in repeatedly, by an individual or group of peers with more, actual or perceived, power than the victim”. The study assessed racial differences in bullying in a British sample of 4668 adolescents, assessed by self-report answers to questions such as “Do you physically bully other children at school by hitting or pushing them around, threatening or stealing their things?” The results were expressed as odds ratios with the rate for whites set at 1.0 and showed that bullying is greatest in South Asians at 2.59 times the rate of whites, next greatest in blacks at 2.2 times the rate of whites, and lowest for East Asians (largely Chinese) in blacks at 0.93 times the rate of whites. The results confirm previous studies showing that in Britain, blacks have higher rates of aggression than whites and Chinese lower rates than whites, but the high rates of South Asians are anomalous.

Tippett, N., Wolke, D. & Platt, L. (2013). Ethnicity and bullying involvement in a national UK youth sample. Journal of Adolescence, 36, 639–649. Abstract.

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  • JohnEngelman

    I am surprised that South Asians are slightly more likely to be bullies than blacks. Otherwise, these findings make sense.

    Blacks tend to have more testosterone than whites, who tend to have more than East Asians. Average IQ’s go in the other direction. Bullies try to assert physically a superiority they cannot prove intellectually.

    • Puggg

      Maybe “south Asian” means Muslim middle easterner?

      • Eddie Lutz

        They’re elevating the sand negroes by adding Asian to their description. I doubt they mean Hindus.

        • Bantu_Education

          You’re wrong – they do mean (and include) Hindus.

        • Jack Burton

          “Sand Negroes” are typically Arabs with sub-Saharan admixture.

          Pakistanis are from South Asia, so it’s not incorrect to include them in as South Asians.

          Pakistanis typically have very low levels of sub-Saharan admixture, except the Siddi/Makrani who have high levels, 39% by mtDNA. The Arabs and Portuguese are to blame for that via the African slave trade.

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          Why in the world would they not be referring to Hindus? Hindus are more racially similar to Muslim Middle Easterners than they are to East Asians. Race is thicker than religion. Sick of the ignorant comments on this topic.

      • AutomaticSlim

        Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc…
        Going by the recent Indian rape and beating sprees, and the muslims, doing things like whipping 14 year old girls to death because they were raped, this report seems on the money.

      • GeneticsareDestiny

        Yes, I’m pretty sure it does here. And Muslims are more inbred than non-Muslim blacks, which will make them more tribal and less accepting of outsiders. It doesn’t surprise me a bit that they’re the biggest bullies in Britain.

      • Jack Burton

        Read the abstract, it states the two highest offending groups are Pakistanis and Caribbean blacks.

    • Kit Ingoldby

      In the UK, the ‘South Asian’ population is made up mainly of Kashmiri Pakistanis who practice cousin marriage. Products of cousin marriage, marrying products of cousin marriage, repeatedly over the generations, compounding the problem. The genetic problems of that community are deep and ubiquitous. This likely has a significant impact on behaviour.

      • GeneticsareDestiny

        I’m glad someone else commented about this. People tend to reduce human biodiversity to IQ scores, but there’s a lot more to it than that. Average historical inbreeding rates probably have a massive effect on the average personality and behavior of an individual and the data would suggest that it correlates with how high or low a nation scores on measures such as corruption.

    • Svigor

      The study relied on self-reporting, no? Blacks are notorious liars, as well as self-deceivers. But then, so are south Asians (note the proper capitalization). Cultural differences also probably have a significant impact on the results (e.g., blacks have a much longer period of cultural assimilation with whites than south Asians, at least here in America, and are more likely to have absorbed the overwhelmingly negative white attitude toward bullying – south Asians less so).

      • Jack Burton

        LOL, as if they’re able to follow these kids around all day and monitor their bullying, of course it’s self-reported.

        That’s improper capitalization. You’re really embarrassing yourself now, you really don’t understand elementary grammar, how humiliating.

        Your last statement makes no sense at all. This study was based on a British sample, not American.

        • Svigor

          The inability to collect more rigorous data does not make self-reporting any more reliable. By the way, crime victimization reports ask crime victims to tell who victimized them, including racial or ethnic data. I’m sure you can connect the dots there.

          As for South Asia, I stand corrected. I don’t feel embarrassed or humiliated, as I don’t find the rule logical or intuitive. In fact, a quick G**gle search turned up contradictory answers.

          I’m confident others can make sense of my last statement.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      Are you carelessly lumping South Asians in with East Asians here? You should know better than that.

      • JohnEngelman

        That is why I do not like to use the word “Asian.” it includes too many different kinds of people.

        • ben no

          Asian is a continental tag name for the natives of Asia. It is very simple to understand. The only wrong
          doing is attempting to make Asian a race. Asian and Asia
          is massively broad, not particularly (North East Asian) Mongoloid. In this case, British have it right and America has it wrong.

          • JohnEngelman

            Mongoloid’s can be Indonesians or American Indians. Genetically these are close to those I refer to as “Orientals,” but the Orientals have practiced agriculture and civilization longer. Consequently, they have higher average IQ’s and lower crime rates.

            When I use the term “Oriental” I refer to Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, and perhaps Vietnamese.

          • ben no

            No. You’ve misunderstood. Pure Mongoloids are rightfully North East Asian. Mixed Mongoloids with non-Mongoloid admixture tend to be called other things. Its also true for whites. The pure Caucasians are European, and then you get these mixed, altered Caucasians with non-Caucasian admixture in the Middle East and such. Europe and North East Asia have been the purest places in the world and also the most intelligent and wealthy, needless to say. Liberals fume at the mouths when you say something like that, but then the truth is not something they want to hear, is it?

    • Fathercoughlin

      Some try to assert academically a superiority they cant prove physically.

      • JohnEngelman

        Physical aggressiveness is irrelevant to harmful in a professional environment. What matters is superior intelligence.

        • Fak_Zakaix

          However, not in the SA troops. They were instrumental in the rise of Hitler, pbuh, to power. Our fatherland needs the Dichter und Denker, the Richter und Henker (poets and thinkers, judges and hangmen).

  • David Brims

    And what is the solution ?

  • Puggg

    aggressive behaviour, engaged in repeatedly, by an individual or group
    of peers with more, actual or perceived, power than the victim

    If that doesn’t scream black, then nothing, not even the night sky, does.

    • pcmustgo

      Oh, but wait, blacks and other non-whites are “powerless”.

      • Jack Burton

        Liberal morons think giving psychopathic, low-IQ blacks more power is a benefit to society, they’re insane.

  • pcmustgo

    I’ve been posting on here for days how I’ve been (racially) bullied by East Indians… especially when working for them, or like I said that East Indian fast food store owner who said “whites are gross” as I exited the store. Or that East Indian chick who mumbled “fat ass” to me as I exited an elevator once.

    • Spartacus

      You should’ve punched them .

    • Jack Burton

      Are you incapable of defending yourself, are they bigger than you?

      The average Asian Indian is pretty small and meek compared to the Northern European average, so I would say no, they are not bullies, they are not intimidating figures with their goofy accents. I’ll slap the curry taste out of their mouths.

      This new fad of calling every act of aggression bullying is stupid. This is not a new phenomenon, and “bullying” isn’t exclusive to kids in school. Interpersonal aggression/competition is the norm. Most people are sarcastic and disrespectful in some form or another, always jockeying for social status.

      What separates bullies from typical struggles for power and dominance, is bullies are sadistic sociopaths who unnecessarily want to harm others even after dominance has been established. They’re intraspecies predators.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        I agree with you about the “small” part but not the “meek” part. Are you aware of how Indian men behave in India, especially when it comes to spousal abuse and public rape? Hardly what I would call “meek” compared to the average white man.

        • Jack Burton

          You obviously don’t understand the context of my statement.

          Your argument is a contextomy and a straw man.

          Their abuses against women are just examples of how hypersensitive and cowardly they are. They only target defenseless people.

      • ben no

        If a tall teen boy can be successfully mocked, teased, humiliated
        and bullied by two, much smaller teen girls, then I think it’s safe to say that
        the ability to bully does not rely in the stature of person or even the
        sex/gender of a person for that matter. No. Bullying mentality is abusive mentality and the more aggressive the nature of the person, then the more likely they are to become a bully.

      • pcmustgo

        These incidents often happen so quickly I am stunned by them and don’t know what to say. Then I have fantasies about getting revenge or practice in my head what I will say next time such an event occurs. I usually take no s-t from Blacks and tell them to stop staring me down when they give me dirty looks on the train or whatever.

      • JohnEngelman

        I never could understand what distinction there was in picking a fight with someone who had no chance of fighting back and winning.

        • Jack Burton

          Easy prey. It’s a sign that someone is a sociopath. Whereas most people have some semblance of sympathy and empathy, they usually stop at a certain point when someone gives up and is in pain. Sociopaths don’t have these normal feelings. They enjoy hurting others. One of the biggest signs is as children they abuse and torture animals for fun. When they are older they do it to humans.

  • pcmustgo

    I dislike how their definition of bullying includes references to who has “the power”. Sounds to me like the redefinition of racism to include “power”, which means “only whites can be racist”. Like it excuses away “powerless” bullies from poor backgrounds or minority groups.

    • Jack Burton

      That’s the whole point, a bully is someone typically who sadistically tortures people for fun who are incapable of defending themselves. They prey on the weak.

      Whites don’t have political power, they are not a protected group, so that can’t possibly be true.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        This seems contradicting to what you were just saying above, in regards to whites vs. South Asians.

  • bigone4u

    East Asians tend to be small and interested in learning, which makes them bad candidates to be bullies. Blacks compensate for the lack of intellect with physical force. White kids just want to express their creativity, so bullying is generally not appealing to them. Too bad there are no Mexicans in this study because I would like to know if they are prone to bullying. They certainly are gang prone.

    • Magician

      Black girls and white girls bully East Asian boys

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      Why are so many people on here lumping Indians in with East Asians? In Britain, “East Asian” means Indian and Pakistan. This doesn’t mean that the Brits are correlating South Asians with East Asians racially. It is just that South Asians are the only “East Asians” Britain receives. Everyone on here should know that South Asians are very different from whites and what we in the US refer to as “East Asians” in many regards.

      • Bantu_Education

        “In Britain, “East Asian” means Indian and Pakistani”.

        Not true – In Britain “Asian” almost always refers to those from “South Asia” who are much more numerous than “East Asians” unlike in, say Australia or the USA. If someone is from East Asia they may be described as such although often they are lumped in with “Asians”.

  • Rhialto

    Bullying is not a precise term.
    Bullying White Style: “Maybe you got there first, but I want to sit here, so move or I’ll move you”
    Bullying Black Style: “Gimme yr money, or I’ll beat yr White a@@!”

    • ixObserver

      Also when applied to nations and people you have different outcomes, seemingly inconsistent.

  • Svigor

    My (admittedly limited) experience with south Asians leads me to believe the old saying, “the Arab is either at your feet or at your throat” applies very much to them.

    • Bantu_Education

      Never heard the saying before but its so true. Reminds me of scenes from the first gulf war of Saddam’s troops surrendering to Americans and Brits – they were crying and begging for mercy – our soldiers were visibly embarrassed by their pathetic grovelling.

    • ixObserver

      South Asians aren’t of one kind. So you will see a wide variety all the way from Black to Caucasian and mongoloid type, behaviorally (even IQ and looks wise). We have a very similar saying in India too, used for certain kind of people. It translates to ‘reaches for head if possible, feet otherwise’ roughly.

  • Manaphy

    White teenagers who do nothing about non-white on white bullying are, in my view, pure cowards. When I was in high school, there was this big Hispanic kid named Angel, who would openly boast about how he loved to rape white girls, and about how he sells drugs with his “Colombian crew”. He also had this sick hobby of beating up white teens while his gang buddies and Whiggers cheered him on. Once, he tried pulling this routine on me, but fortunately I was able to overpower him (won’t give details), and make sure that he thoroughly regretted ever knowing me. I never saw him again after that, I guess he was put in his place. My point is that whites should fight back against non-whites, especially in schools, and make sure that they fear us, not the opposite.

    • Svigor

      White parents have largely abdicated their natural role as the teachers of their children in this respect. In short, fathers should teach their kids to kick ass, and put their wives in line if they object, but in large numbers no longer do (at least, the middle class ones don’t).

    • Who Me?

      Many white teens that are the victims of bullying know fell well that if they dare to fight back, they will be the ones upon whom the full wrath of authority will fall, not the bully. The white child and only the white child will be labeled as a bully, a harraser of non-white innocents, and up to and including “terroristic threats”. Others are girls, who are simply not physically equipped with fighting with teenage African males, who are, in all but chronological age, full grown men. (Nor with the teenage African females who outweigh them by 300 lbs.)
      So do not say all white victims are cowards. Not all of them have the physical or psychological ability to stand up for themselves, and furthermore, if their clueless parents are leaving them in 95% non-white public schools, you can bet they sure aren’t going to get any support or praise at home for standing up for themselves.

    • Jack Burton

      Whites, especially White males need to expand their education beyond academia and take up some martial education as well. Not only for self-defense, but also to expand your mind. You develop a oneness with your body that most people don’t have through martial arts.

      However, when you’re talking about non-White bullies, what you’re typically dealing with is gangs, it’s not one on one honorable combat. That is a more difficult scenario and not one that is always as easy as just standing up to them and kicking their ass. You’re dealing with cowardly psychopaths who may escalate the situation by using weapons or multiple attackers against you, even targeting your family.

      I’ve experienced both types of “bullies” and prevailed on both fronts. Just be ready to get law enforcement involved and know your local laws and where the line is so you don’t wind up in prison.

    • I would agree – IF you’re about the same size or larger. In my case, I was scrawny and far too weak to physically fight back. I was a sickly child who suffered from bronchial asthma. Luckily, I could run fast. So I never actually got beaten up.

  • It depends on what is meant by “bullying.”

    If your definition of “bullying” is juvenile proto-thuggery, then of course certain NAM groups will be the worst bullies.

    But if your definition of “bullying” is what the current PC zeitgeist defines it to be, i.e. open and public opposition to homosexuality, especially steeped in religion, then (fill in the blank fundamentalist-evangelical Christan televangelist) is the worst bully on Earth.

  • Strike_Team

    Self reporting is not all that reliable, especially when dealing with blacks. I would bet that blacks are worse than the muzzies in real life.

    • ixObserver

      Not if the Black is a Muzzie too 😉

  • Hunter Morrow

    Yet why am I not surprised?

  • Luca

    Better copy the study if you want to see it again. I’m thinking the shelf life of this report will wither very shortly under the claims of it being called insensitive, mean-spirited, racist, hate-speech.

  • Jack Burton

    Bullying is a manifestation of psychopathy. It’s already well studied and known that blacks are far more psychopathic than Whites and East Asians, that’s why their violent crime rates are so much higher.

    The greater rate of South Asians in this study is probably explained by their higher population in Britain. When bullies have group support they are more brazen.

    • pcmustgo

      Yup, just as I’ve been saying, East Asians and East Indians will become less and less “model minorities” as their numbers swell. They will not need to “assimilate” with whites.

      • Jack Burton

        They’re snakes in the grass.

        Just look at the abuses of POWs in WW2. The “model minority” Japanese who have a lower crime rate than Whites, actually committed far more atrocities against prisoners and civilians than the greatest evil to ever face the history of mankind, the evil Nazis! Statistically if you were a captive of the Germans you had a 4% chance of being killed. You had a 30% chance under the Japanese.

  • OEFVET

    What’s disgusting is that is that none of these public figures or organizations who claim to want to end bullying will dare mention these statistics publicly.

  • seanpatriot

    Is this study Per capita?

  • Spartacus

    “Any study that shows non-Whites are worst than Whites in any way is a result of racism, while any study showing the opposite is correct.” – Proffesor Shlomo

  • Saisyet

    Any non-indigenous scum that dares to bully a Brit should have his/her citizenship stripped and deported back to their shithole motherland.

    • newscomments70

      I agree, but that doesn’t happen. Intstead they give them free food, medical and council housing. And the bullying doesn’t only consist of kids bullying kids in school. The UK has Roma gypsy teenagers bullying the elderly. The police do nothing. If anyone stands up for the victims, they are the ones arrested. If a UK police officer tries to stop non-whites from terrorizing whites, he will be demoted, fired, or transferred.

  • Magician

    We need Chuck Norris

  • Steven Bannister

    “in Britain, blacks have higher rates of aggression than whites and Chinese lower rates than whites…”

    Which is basically what Phil Rushton already told us 20 years ago…

    • Katherine McChesney

      “…In Britain, blacks have higher rates of aggression than whites…”

      But,the British will attack you if you point out black on White crime. They seem to be more programmed than DWL’s in America.

  • ixObserver

    Bingo! I just read the title and was thinking it has to be Muslims based on my experience in South Asia and there it is. Although the paper says South Asians, it’s actually SA Muslims. I was bullied upon by Muslims throughout my primary school. In HS the aggressive gene manifested. Some said I turned into a bully myself but all I became was reactive. South Asia is like a jungle, you either toughen up or perish. I have a zero tolerance policy towards Muslims now, especially the SA kind.

    Also this just shows not everything is purely ‘racial’. Amren is a little over obsessed with race. While the obsession is just fine, there are other parameters that affect things.

    • Who Me?

      Rather than “over obsessed with race”, I would say AmRen is concerned with trying to wake people up to the fact that white people all over the world have been targeted for genocide. That we need to fight back and do everything in our power to see that we have descendants on this planet, with a homeland of our own and the basic fundamental rights and freedoms of all humans. This is as it should be. It is NOT an “over obsession”. Yes there are other parameters that affect things, but we have to be alive in sufficient numbers to utilize those things.

      • ixObserver

        The ‘White activism’ for self-preservation isn’t what I termed ‘obsession with race’ but rather the practice of looking at every problem through the race prism primarily.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      I am not sure about this. It is the Muslim aspect perhaps that makes “South Asians” bigger bullies, than say, blacks, but it is of no surprise to me at all that South Asians as a whole, including Hindus, are bigger bullies than whites.

  • Bantu_Education

    I was briefly surprised that S.Asians were more bullying than blacks but then I recalled my visits to India and Sri Lanka (where I have been many times) and recalled the shockingly disrespectful way that bosses or richer Indians bellow at their minions and treat them like dirt. Meanwhile they are generally super-respectful towards whites.

    • newscomments70

      “Meanwhile they are generally super-respectful towards whites.” Try living next to them, it’s a different story. They are nice…if you always agree with them and allow them to abuse you and your children. If you call them out on their arrogance and racism, you have a neighbor from hell. In white countries, they often treat whites like servants. Their out-of-control children will relentlessly bully white children.

      • Max Krakah

        the bobble head bullies

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      I think there are two types of “bullying” coming from India: there is the snobby, upper caste type (the type more closely similar to what you would see from some whites), and then there is the lower class savage type (like what you would see from browns and blacks).

    • pcmustgo

      Yeah, how do you think they treat me when I do catering work for them? Now you get what I experienced? One threw cups in my face and yelled at me for no reason, others made racial comments about white people. Can you think of a more perfect way for them to “get revenge” on a white for “the british colonizing India”. ? Plus they treat their own servants like dirt. Shocking behavior!

  • Bantu_Education

    Then you’ve obviously never been to India or Sri Lanka.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Ask that Rigby guy about black bullying. Oh, guess you can’t.

    • ben no

      He was murdered by Muslims in the name of religion, it had nothing to do with black culture.

  • Sheik Yerbouti

    When you consider the normal disease load of the average black in the US, fighting them becomes a 2-pronged risk. It becomes 3 when you realize that non-white “bullies” don’t travel alone. If you so much as say the wrong thing t one of them, you have bought conflict with all of them.

    For white people the disciplinary pendulum is directly over our heads where it has been paused for decades now.

  • Bantu_Education

    I would be very surprised if India ever invaded China – it was the other way round and the Indians were humiliated. The Chinese occupied large areas in both NW and NE India – they withdrew from the latter but annexed the Aksai Chin region in the NW.

  • newscomments70

    In India, the murder rate is reported at 3.5 per 100,000. In a mostly white area, such as Vermont, the murder rate is 1.28 per 100,000. Rape gangs in India are common, and rape offenses in India have doubled since 1990. The caste system in India is an extreme form of elitism and bullying. You obviously have no experience with this culture.

    • AutomaticSlim

      “The caste system in India is an extreme form of elitism and bullying”

      100% Agree.
      I was there on business a few years ago and saw this first hand.

    • ixObserver

      The murder/rape rate is driven up by our own Blacks and Muslims. India a mixed-race country. Caste system is elitist not necessarily a form of bullying. Bullying is prying on the weak by the strong. Caste system was a form of segregation. Is segregation bullying ? If yes, then yes caste system is a form of bullying.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      The stories coming out of India about women getting publicly stripped and then bullied and harassed, if not raped, are absolutely appalling and horrendous. While we are on the topic, I am sick of hearing about how Middle Eastern and Indian men are more sexually restrained than white men. If that were the case, then why does the Middle East and India require such backwards and extreme laws in order to keep the men in control sexually? Why is polygamy so common? Why do women have to be separated from men on trains? Why do women have to wear bed sheets all the time in most of the Middle East and parts of Southern Asia? Middle Eastern and South Asian men are a step up from black Africans when it comes to this stuff, but it doesn’t make them better than white men in this regard.

  • haroldcrews

    Interesting connection you’ve suggested in future time orientation and the propensity to bully. I think there is something to that.

  • Massif1

    “blacks have higher rates of aggression than whites” – Did we really need a scientific evidence to prove this? I can turn on the news and see the black bullies aka criminals all the time.

    • Jack Burton

      Aggression is a very broad category, which also includes verbal hostility and dominance by other means. Historically Whites have been far more aggressive, we were the ones who enslaved them, remember?

      What you are referring to is physical aggression, violence. Which isn’t necessarily a result of more aggressive tendencies, rather a sign of lack of impulse control.

      I contend that aggression of Whites and Asians just takes on non-violent forms, as we are able to control ourselves more and be law abiding.

      Jews are a good example of extreme verbal and mental aggression towards their host populations.

  • WhiteGuyInJapan

    Among the Japanese, I have seen a lot of bullying. The physical violence and intimidation has decreased in schools and workplaces, but the verbal and psychological violence is still there. They can be quite merciless when they are in power and underlings have no option save to obey or try to induce indulgence from the authority figure (much as a child would to a parent).

    • Max Krakah

      I have seen Japanese tourists in Boston suddenly turn around and give a young child a very hard, vicious slap on the face. The child was not doing anything that was noticeable to me, perhaps it was just pouting or unhappy about something. People must NOT confuse testosterone levels with viciousness and brutality. Asian history is full of mass slaughter and extreme cruelty. Cowards are always bullies to those that are weaker then themselves. People with less testosterone can be vicious to those with less testosterone than themselves. Testosterone only affects a persons perception of their ability to act on their impulses, it does not create the impulses.

      • pcmustgo

        DragonLadies….

  • Jack Burton

    No one said it was East Asians, it’s South Asians.

    Read the abstract, it’s Pakistanis.

    There are different races in Asia, it’s not all one “Asian race.”

  • Jack Burton

    The study didn’t ask if they got away with their bullying, which I would wager they didn’t.

    South Asians are typically smaller people. They might attempt to bully a Brit and then get put in their place.

    • ben no

      I doubt any non-whites would be put in their place when whites have the racist card hanging around their necks in all English-speaking countries.

  • Bantu_Education

    I read the article you posted about the 1962 war. It certainly offers a new perspective on the events and one I might even agree with but you have to take into consideration it was written by an Australian diplomat and a Sinophile who spoke Chinese and obviously studied and admired their culture, so its natural he would take their side.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      I think China would win a war against India based on high IQ and organization. But India, I could very well see as portraying a type of viscous savagery very well known to be exhibited by blacks and browns.

  • Katherine McChesney

    I used to know an Indian in his late 20’s who worked for a restaurant one block from my apartment. Management used to have to tell him to take a bath and wash his hair because he was so filthy and his hair stank. They couldn’t fire him because he was protected by law. I heard his house was as filthy as he was. He moved to Germany in the Spring.

  • ixObserver

    SA is racially diverse, a mix between 3 prime races – Caucasian, Mongoloid and Black. So the levels of this gene will have to reflect an individual’s racial mix I suppose.

    South Asians (outside Afghans) aren’t really known for war waging historically, only internal strife due to all sorts of diversity. This makes me suspect the levels of this warrior gene may not be that high, but who knows.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      Afghans surprisingly have a lot of white genes, and they show a territorial claim similar to what we always saw among the tribes of Europe.

      There is a big difference between an organized territorial type of warlike tendency, seen among Indo Europeans as well as the Japanese, as opposed to disorganized savagery, like we see in black, brown, and “red” races. South Asia has a lot of the black and brown genetics, which is what the issue is here.

      • ixObserver

        ‘Surprisingly’ if you are unaware of history, not otherwise. You seem to be implying (without any factual backing) that non-Muslim South Asian nations indulge in some sort of savagery unknown in the NE Asia or Europe while Afghanistan is upholding the Indo-European ideal. With all that Whites genes Afghanistan has only managed to be one of the most barbaric places on earth, close enough to sub-saharan Africa on any parameter you chose. Of course the Africans win.

        Do you have any idea of how Indian military compares to Afghan military (or Taliban since their military is a joke) in professionalism or capabilities or organization? FYI, Indian military aided Afghan’s resistance (northern alliance of Ahmed Shah Masood) against Taliban while Afghanistan sends terrorists to India. Have you ever heard of the LTTE ? I’d love to hear the purported savagery from Indian military in comparison to the Chinese (or even Afghans) since you have implied that at least once on this thread. Do you even know the composition of Indian military by race/ethnicity ?

        Other than talking in conjectures do you have any idea of the real world, outside the West or the US ? I couldn’t care less how much you hate Indians but at least learn enough about them if you want to critique and be taken seriously. I am not trying to pick a fight with you (in fact I hope this is my last response to you) but certain things had to be said. Adios.

  • ixObserver

    BS. it’s the SA Muslims who are the prime bullies, not entire South Asians in general. India rarely invaded other regions/countries historically. It has a history of being invaded actually. We spent nearly 800 years in this the last 1000 years under foreign rule. Does that seem like bullying to you?

    True there is internal strife, the society is hierarchical and feudal (things that go hand in hand actually). It being viewed by neighbors as a bully is actually similar to the same perspective the comity of nations has towards the US. Now, what’s common between the US and India in this context ? They are what I call the ‘big dog’s in their respective spheres (SA for India and world wide for the US). China, Russia are seen as regional bullies too. With most of the above mentioned countries, there are unresolved territorial disputes as well.

    Someone cited Gujrat riot as an example. Again, wrong. What happened in Gujrat was a reaction to Muslim bullying pent up among Hindus for years and they finally exploded. So you whole caste/hierarchy thesis is incorrect in both contexts – SA and world.

    Posting some obscure links and taking the situations presented out of context only reeks of intellectual dishonesty. Some of your inferences are outright lies. Sikkim, Tibet for example have always aligned themselves with India and received considerable Indian support in the face of an aggressive China which basically was the root cause of Indo-China war of 62. So, there you go.

    I have a suspicion you are some sort of baiting troll. I have seen this post of yours earlier as well. Copy pasted as is without any change.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      This “bullying” from Northeast Asians and Europeans is defined by military organization and high IQ. But the black and brown races portray their own types of savagery.

  • ixObserver

    If you believe nations are ‘innocent’ or try to be or can be, you are in deep slumber.

  • ixObserver

    You just seem to be inventing things on the fly on this thread quite a bit. Some of the Whites were considered barbarian historically by Indo-Aryans. The extra respect he mentions is a result of colonial hangover and today’s economic success of the West. Rich and mighty are respected for their power and wealth not necessarily for who they are.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      Yes, you just had to remind us of history from thousands of years back. Indians are always happy to point to this. To me, it shows extreme insecurity.

      • ixObserver

        Offended? Hehe, not really. I am inclined to think you were. This time I won’t debate your post one bit, I’ll just let you have it. I am in not-so-friendly territory by definition here. Does that speak of my insecurity or confidence ? Think about it, I don’t need the answer.

        I don’t know what your beef with Indians is but they seem to make you extremely unhappy or upset. Maybe you will be better off not interacting with them in anyway? Maybe.

        • pcmustgo

          Go read on the comments thread what my beef with them is. That many take any chance they get to “get revenge” on whites for “the british colonizing India”.

          • ixObserver

            What makes you believe I am interested in your grievances? It is true many Indians have the colonial hangover, nothing unusual. It is also true Indian culture doesn’t have a strong concept of ‘dignity of labor’ so the ones above in hierarchy( not caste but any) mistreat the ones below. This is more pronounced among less educated types. In any case you’ll have to stand up to your problems and deal with them.

          • pcmustgo

            INDIAN ARROGANCE ALERT- “What makes you think I am interested in your grievances”. Because you’re on a white chat board asking whites why we dislike East Indians as a group now too.

          • ixObserver

            I said ‘whatever your beef with Indians is’ (which wasn’t a question to begin with) in response to one person and it wasn’t even you. You just grabbed that opportunity to take out your pent up annoyance with Indians on me instead of facing your issue. Pointing that out makes me arrogant somehow. Nice logic. Well then, arrogant I am!

  • gemjunior

    Candies – OWWW! I remember those. Don’t feel too bad, she deserved it.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    Indians and Sri Lankans outperform white British students academically? I am not sure about that. I own Rushton’s and Lynn’s book on IQ around the world and they went into this topic extensively. When you compare the smartest white British students to the smartest Indian students (which are pretty much the creme of the crop of India who immigrate to Britain anyways), the white students always outperform.

    I am assuming you are Indian. You sound typical of the ones who post on here. You portray an arrogance on a topic you are completely wrong about. How dare you compare the best and the brightest from India (the immigrants) to Britain’s population as a whole, and then imply that that means India is a smarter country than Britain? Have you ever compared the two countries? Get lost!

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    Indian IQ is high?????? In India or in Britain?

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    What does this have to do with what Bantu_Education was just saying? Sure they are smarter than blacks, but who cares? His point was that they aren’t as smart as whites.

    • hkq999

      I think he was attempting to explain the behavior.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    Thank you!!!! I have always wondered about this. The Indians overall are a black and brown race, so the stereotype in regards to them being peaceful makes no sense at all. It makes me wonder if Hinduism was developed by lighter skinned invaders, and if Buddhism was developed by lighter skinned “yellow” invaders from the East.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    What is this “Asian race” you are referring to in your last sentence? I am really starting to get fed up with this ignorant lumping together of South Asians and East Asians on here. East Asians (Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans) are very different from South Asian Indians racially, who are more related genetically to arabs and so called Muslims. The people who post on here should know this.

    • hkq999

      “are very different from South Asian Indians racially, who are more related genetically to arabs and so called Muslims”. No they’re not. unless you’re only talking about northern india and pakistan.

  • pcmustgo

    The REAL reason Americans are confused about East Indians is that the ones that immigrate here, like African immigrants, are from the top 1% elite of that society, cream of the crop, very well-educated, hardworking, and successful. So we think they’re all like that. They’re not, most back in India are illiterate.

  • pcmustgo

    BS, they resent whites and want to “get revenge” on them for the “british colonizing India”. At least here in America they do, with our whole culture encouraging non-whites to hate white people.

  • ben no

    Indians have an average IQ of 85, and white-British have an
    average IQ of 100. It simply isn’t possible for the lower IQ group to academically
    out-perform the higher IQ group when there is such a significant difference in
    the gap. As in all multi-cultural countries, the North East Asian (Chinese) are
    the most academically achieving, reflecting the Northern Chinese IQ of 105.

    You must be crazy if you think Indians come closer to the
    Chinese than Western European (whites) do in intelligence. I very much doubt
    the second most academically achieving group are the Indians lol, lol, and lol.

    India is cesspool with an overwhelming amount of low IQ people that ultimately let
    the entire nation down. The above-average intelligent ones are probably smart
    enough to escape the terrible barbaric mess of their country and move to the west where they can take full advantage of the benefits and affirmative action, all at the expense of suffering whites who get reduced to second class citizens.

    The non-white audacity is incredible! To be frank, your post
    reeks of inferiority and underlines the complex that is worn like a uniform if
    you’re non-white. Words of advice: If you can’t give an intelligent argument – don’t come here.

    • hkq999

      “move to the west where they can take full advantage of the benefits and affirmative action, all at the expense of suffering whites who get reduced to second class citizens”. They may not necessarily need to use affirmative action even though it may benefit them. Most people of Indian and Pakistani descent that I know here in the US are wealthy doctors and lawyers. It’s possible that some are very hardworking.

      • ben no

        The successful Indians in the West are much above their average. Why can’t you understand this?

  • ben no

    Indians that do well academically in western countries are above-average compared to their mean IQ in their home country of India. Above-average whites would be far ahead of any Indians in existence. Period.

    • hkq999

      All I know is, the Indians and Pakistani’s that I’ve met have been very wealthy and polite. They’re usually doctors or lawyers who immigrated. It’s possible they are the very top percentile of their countries.

      • ben no

        Affirmative action often helps these lower IQ people get ahead of higher IQ Whites. Also, yes, many of the immigrants tend to be higher than their average, which makes them seem more brighter and able than they really are in general.

        • hkq999

          I don’t know, I live in an area with a high South Asian population and I’ve encountered and experienced some Indian and Pakistani doctors. I’ve had no problems with them, and actually the only neurologist in my area is a Pakistani fellow who I’d call an acquaintance. I have a strong feeling that the ones with very high IQs immigrating here and giving off the impression that South Asians are all above average. I see no evidence that the upper-middle class ones are any less intelligent than upper-middle class whites. On the other hand, there are many who own gas stations or who pump gas for a living. There seems to be a lot of variation. I think this comes from the fact that South Asia itself has many different groups and ethnicities and the whole area seems to be one big genetic mess of a cluster. For example, from what I’ve seen Pakistanis are very diverse and can look very different despite being from the same place. They all have dark skin, but some have whiter looking features. I’ve even met one with blue eyes.

  • ben no

    Oh, and its also true for the Chinese immigrants who are more often coming from Northern China where the IQ is the highest – due to being more purely Mongoloid. They level with koreans and Japanese, where as the (mixed) Southern Chinese are below.

  • ben no

    Higher testosterone makes a person more aggressive mentally, and that can reflect physically or verbally. Indeed, it has everything to do with the likelihood of becoming a bully as it highers the tendency.

  • ben no

    Lying is part of our human nature. We all do it! But feeble lies tend to be culturally non-white, as they also much less able and have much less to show as non-white races.

  • ixObserver

    Amreners rile on and on about left wingers and here you are posting some left-wing nonsense from counterpunch. You have any idea why India is a militarized state ? You Americans bomb the hell out of any country that you remotely deem as terrorist but complain if other countries event try to defend their existence. What the US faced in Iraq and Af. for the last few years India has been facing for a few decades now. Every Indian knows what an IED is which Americans might have come to know only in 2000s during Iraq invasion and the aftermath. Be thankful that India keeps a tab on some of the radical Islamic elements that would gladly make America their target. The journalist from counterpunch who is complaining against India’s police state would probably be rotting in the jungles of Kashmir with some Muslims if not for the security. Last but not least don’t forget that India is not a homogeneous nation but a holding together of multiple nations, some by force. Part of this was inherited in 47.

  • ben no

    The well-know and well-documented epidemic of bullying that goes on in Japanese schools would hardly support the notion of the North East Asians being the least abusive race. Richard Lynn has failed here and foolishly so. How would it be possible for the low-testosterone Japanese to have such profound bullying in their schools, if bullying were indeed related with exactly that – testosterone??? No. I could think of a much more plausible reason. Regarding students from Japanese, Chinese or Korean heritage, I would say their lack of social competence and self-confidence in multicultural western schools suppresses their ability to bully, rather than them not having much of a tendency to be that way.

  • ben no

    They don’t have them in Britain.

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    I know this was posted a long time ago, but interesting read. I am an African that has lived in America for a long time. I don’t have a ract bone in my body, but ever since I got here, almost all bullying, insults, unprovoked assaults etc… against me have come from African Americans.

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    I am an African that has lived in America for a long time. I got nothing against any race, but almost all the bullying, insults, put downs etc I received have come from African americans. I’ve been punched in the back of the head once unprovoked by some African American teens who thought it was funny when I confronted them. I hate to say it, but I think there is a segment of the African American population that hates immigrants for some reason. That’s just my experienceSort by Newest

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