Dog Ancestors Were Ice Age Man’s Best Friend

Nick Collins, Telegraph (London), November 14, 2013

Dogs first became man’s best friend in Ice Age Europe up to between 19,000 and 32,000 years ago, scientists have discovered.

Genetic evidence analysed by Finnish researchers found that the wolf ancestors of modern dogs were most likely tamed by hunter-gatherers thousands of years earlier than previously thought.

The findings, published in the Science journal, contradict an earlier belief that dogs were domesticated in eastern Asia after the origin of farming about 15,000 years ago.

Researchers from universities in Finland and Germany studied the DNA of various modern breeds of dog, wolf and coyote and compared it against samples from fossils of ancient wolf-like and doglike animals.

They found that DNA from domestic dogs was most closely related to that of ancient European wolves as well as modern wolves, and there were few similarities with wolves, coyotes and dingos from other parts of the world.

It was previously thought that humans and dogs most likely forged a bond after the beginning of agriculture, when dogs may have been attracted by a plentiful food supply.

But the new findings suggest the canines may have sought out the camp sites of fur-clad hunter-gatherers in the hope of scavenging leftover meat and been tamed to help with hunting or protection against predators.

The scientists wrote: “Conceivably, proto-dogs might have taken advantage of carcasses left on site by early hunters, assisted in the capture of prey, or provided defence from large competing predators at kills.”

Olaf Thalmann of the University of Turku in Finland, who led the study, said: “I was amazed how clearly [the findings] showed that all dogs living today go back to four genetic lineages, all of which originate in Europe.”

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  • Randall Ward

    Dogs like white people, I guess this is the reason why; it is built in.

    • Eagle_Eyed

      And whites like dogs. Blacks fight them, Chinamen eat them. We keep them as companions.

      • Spartacus

        “…Chinamen eat them.”

        ————————————————————————————————–

      • Archibald_Cunningham

        The muzzies also abhor them.

      • Garrett Brown

        Dogs are the best pets you can own, amazing animals. My two girls have helped me through some rough times lately.

        I would buy a crocodile to put in a moat surrounding my house to discourage any ballsy orcs thinking ill be easy pickings, but that would be too much paper work.

        • Laura Dilworth

          orc?

          • Garrett Brown

            Orcs 😉

            Welcome Laura, glad to see another woman posting here.

          • Laura Dilworth

            thx. pardon my ignorance, but what is an orc?

          • Garrett Brown

            Code for the scum of this country/earth. I’m sure you can make out the rest.

          • Laura Dilworth

            yep

          • IanJMacDonald

            “Although not entirely dim-witted and occasionally crafty, [orcs] are
            portrayed as miserable beings, hating everyone including themselves and their masters, whom they serve out of fear. They make no beautiful things, but rather design cunning devices made to hurt and destroy.” In a letter to a friend, Tolkien described them as “squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes.” Many Orcs have long arms, “like monkeys or apes.” The Uruk-hai orcs (a subspecies) are larger, more powerful and cruel and have black skin.

            Orcs. Reason number one why I carry concealed.

          • Garrett Brown

            This is a much better definition of what I was referencing.

          • Laura Dilworth

            Thanks. Guess I never read Lord of the Rings. Yea, I live in Chicago and still don’t own a gun. I’ve been fortunate in regards to getting mugged, etc. However, I’ve had alot of negative experiences w/orcs. My sister was robbed at gunpoint by orc teens. Last year, an orc female hit her in the face when she was guarding a pool in an orc area. I don’t think any of the perps were ever caught.

          • Garrett Brown

            Now you’re getting the Orc thing!

          • Laura Dilworth

            I’ve lived in Chicago most of my life, so I’m very familiar. I live in a Mexican area, and so far I don’t think they want to test the waters here too much. And I’ve worked at the post office forever.

          • Garrett Brown

            You live in a Mexican area? Why?

          • Laura Dilworth

            grew up here. it’s predominantly mexican now. i work in the suburbs. my mom lives nearby. affordable…

          • Garrett Brown

            Well, all I can advise is be careful and I hope you stay safe.

          • Laura Dilworth

            thanks. i feel relatively safe.

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            The Elves are the Orcs polar opposite Beautiful, tall, lean, pale skin,and long lived. Of all the races Orcs hate Elves the most.

          • Laura Dilworth

            cool

          • Mike Lane

            An orc is a mythological humanoid from lord of the rings. They’re the dysfunctional breeds of elves. They’re essentially man-sized goblins.

          • Garrett Brown

            Not in this context.

          • Laura Dilworth

            Thank you

          • And most of the misery they inflict is upon each other.

          • James Bro

            Their behavior often emulates that of negroes.

          • Laura Dilworth

            ahh

          • Laura Dilworth

            they deleted a couple of comments here. i think i saw them on my email though

      • Paleoconn

        Bingo! Also, the article caption says ‘Europeans, not Asians, domesticated dogs, contrary to what was previously thought’. I think originally, say about 50-60 years ago, it was thought that Europeans were responsible for this innovation. Then liberals took over the discourse and awarded all beneficial developments to the Other. With some exceptions. For instance, the advanced transmission technology that was always credited to Arab clockmakers of the 13th century or so, probably originated in classical Greece. See Derek Solla Price and the Antikythera mechanism.

      • Laura Dilworth

        I knew alot of blacks from work who disliked and feared dogs. It puzzled the whites.

      • bigone4u

        This picture shows how dogs feel about blacks.

    • Dogs are very discerning creatures; they can also easily tell which people don’t like them.

      • JohnEngelman

        I always try to make friends with a dog. If he does not like me, it hurts my feelings.

        • Blue-eyed Devil

          Criticism of Asians and Jews hurts your feelings even more.

          • JohnEngelman

            Criticism of Orientals and Jews angers me, but I try to control my emotions.

            I try not to hate blacks, but I can understand why others do. They have a much higher crime rate than whites. After one has been the victim of several black criminals it is easy to hate all Negroes.

            There is no area in which Orientals and Jews on the average are morally inferior to white Gentiles. They are different from white Gentiles in ways that recommend them.

            The fact that Jews have often been victims of persecution including the Holocaust turns my hostility to antisemitism to nausea. Hostility to Jews almost gives me a metallic taste in my mouth as though I am about to throw up.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            You seem like a nice guy, John, and evidently very intelligent but some of resent your obvious disdain for Gentiles. I’m perplexed.

          • JohnEngelman

            I do not feel disdain for Gentiles in general, only for those who hate Jews and Orientals.

          • Jefferson

            Lucky for you, the majority of Gentiles do not hate East Asians and Jews.

            Because if they did, than there would be no Jews and East Asians living in the U.S.

            And East Asian/White couples and Gentile/Jew couples would be extremely rare in The United States. But it is not.

          • Andy

            Do you feel a similar disdain for Jews and Orientals who hate Gentiles? Irrational and vicious dislike is obnoxious whoever harbors it.

          • JohnEngelman

            I would, but I have never known any.

          • Laura Dilworth

            many are in high/influential places and cause problems for us-NOT ALL. e.g., freud, horkenheimer, and anthony weiner!

          • Bob Wallace

            “resent your obvious disdain for Gentiles”

            He envies his superiors.

          • Andy

            “There is no area in which Orientals and Jews on the average are morally inferior to white Gentiles.”

            I don’t think that’s quite fair. First, Jews especially and (American) Orientals to a lesser extent tend to support causes that demonize whites. (This is probably not genetic, but rather the result of minority groups living with a majority that denies racial differences and is hostile to majority-group solidarity.) Second, they tend to be more passive and receptive to totalitarianism, especially Orientals. (On the flip side, of course, Orientals are less likely to commit violent crimes.) Third, Jews may be more likely than Gentiles to commit financial crimes, although it is also possibly that their talents simply give them enough power that they are the ones with the ability to commit such crimes.

            Whites, Jews, and Orientals all have their strong points and their weak points. I do not dislike either of the groups you mention, although I tend to think mostly-homogenous societies are preferable. However, I don’t think it’s accurate or fair to say that Jews and Orientals are superior to whites in every way.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews tend to be liberals. Liberal causes do not “demonize whites.” They defend the causes of the poor and weak, as well as the environment. The liberalism of Jews recommends them to my sympathy, because they tend to be prosperous.

          • Andy

            Not all liberal causes demonize white. A lot do.

          • JohnEngelman

            It is a matter of opinion as to what demonizes whites. Jews have reason to oppose affirmative action, because it works against them.

          • Andy

            I suppose our own political views are going to influence this a lot. I believe you’ve said you consider yourself a liberal on many matters. I am a reactionary. So what I find a disturbing trend in Jewish opinion you probably find an encouraging one.

          • Laura Dilworth

            i hardly see china as a morally superior country to the u.s. they have low crime rates here. i can’t see jews being morally superior to gentiles. i don’t support persecution of jews, but there were often two sides to the story. for example, the communist revolution in russia was financed and instigated largely by jews.

          • Get used to it. Some folks are just plain mean that way. It doesn’t provoke such a visceral reaction in me. I can criticize organized Jews for their politics without feeling anything at all. If they do these things as a Jewish collective entity, then they get blamed for it as Jews, but one-on-one they’re OK. Even Arabs are OK one at a time, but most blacks are not. The Jewish woman I know the best is married to a gentile atheist for whom I have worked. They’re both brilliant, so they should have had kids. It is a pity they didn’t. Sex isn’t just for fun. Procreation is part of the plan.

          • Sloppo

            Does the fact that millions of gentile whites were systematically starved/murdered by Jewish communists (Trotsky, Kaganovich, etc.) in the USSR affect the way you feel or is it only the murder of Jews that makes that metallic taste come up in your mouth?

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Do you like also Trotsky, Yagoda, Meyer Lansky, Louis “Lepke” Buchalter, Bugsy Siegel, Dutch Schultz, Madoff, etc, etc.?

          • JohnEngelman

            No. What do you think of Hitler, Al Capone, and John Dillinger?

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Btw, none of them is of my ethnicity. Remember, Ashkenazim are an ethnicity.
            What I think of them? “Achievers”, the people you like ;-), in their own fields.
            Hitler was particularly great 😉

    • JvNk

      Absolutely! It is completely amazing how “racist” dogs are. I live in South Africa, and my dogs reliably bark only at 2 things: Blacks and other dogs. Any white walking past and even standing at my gate, even a stranger, gets a friendly greeting.

      • Randall Ward

        May the Lord watch over you.

    • Blue-eyed Devil

      They must hate Vietnamese and Filipinos as those two ethnic groups eat dogs.

  • dd121

    The Moche, in Peru, created a fat, hairless breed of dog that was raised for food. The breed goes back over a thousand years. They also breed and eat guinea pigs (cuy). The cuy is greasy but I bet the dog is delicious.

    • Bunky

      Ask obama about that.
      He wrote it was stringy and tough.

      • Laura Dilworth

        He’s evolved. He has a pet dog now.

        • Laura Dilworth

          Blue eyed devil, it appears that they deleted your comment. But it was funny.

        • bilderbuster

          Come to think of it, I haven’t seen a photo of Obama’s dog in quite a while.

          • Laura Dilworth

            ha!

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    Well, ummm, there are PLENTY of things Asians currently get credit for that we actually did. I am not saying this as a hater or a supremacist. I admire ancient Asian cultures and recognize that they did some great things. But I am also not going to sit quietly when history book after history book is giving them credit for just about every “gray area” historical invention these days, even though the evidence says contrary.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      Sorry for my double posting. I posted this post first, but it didn’t go up right away. So then I posted the one below and tried to delete it, but it didn’t go away.

    • Garrett Brown

      You’re too intelligent to be using the word hater Courtney.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        Well, you know as well as I do, that with all the Asian lovers on here, people like us have to over justify what we say.

        • Garrett Brown

          I see brainwashed college kids like weeaboos and wiggers say that on twitter, Facebook, etc. you are too much of a lady to be using some word the majority of blacks use.

    • Laura Dilworth

      I think the U.S. helped Japan alot w/technology after WWII. I think the Chinese have stolen alot of our recent technology.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    Well, ummm, I can think of plenty of inventions and achievements that still have “gray area” origins, but that the Asians are always getting credit for over whites. Actually, I can think of plenty of proven European inventions that historians have for some reason found a way to attribute to the Chinese. So this story doesn’t surprise me. Moving along….

    • William Krapek

      Just curious… Like what?

      • Andy

        The way they teach about the invention of the printing press is pretty ridiculous. China invented it first, yes. But this fact is presented with the assumption that it’s “debunking the myth” of Gutenberg, who really only copied the Chinese. There is no evidence that he knew about the Chinese model, which was not in use because it was fairly worthless for written Chinese.

        • Laura Dilworth

          Well, China invented gunpowder, but the Europeans perfected it.

          • Much to our own sorrow.

          • Laura Dilworth

            how so?

          • Europeans are tragically very, very good at war.

          • Laura Dilworth

            yea

          • Laura Dilworth

            who’s your profile pic?

          • It is an orc, because I have fallen.

          • Laura Dilworth

            creepy!

          • He’s a light grey orc. Not as bad as some of the others.

          • Laura Dilworth

            you’re kidding!

          • In the Tolkein books, orcs were fallen elves. In my own case, I was once the best research chemist in the world in the microelectronics industry. Now I am a convicted federal felon on the Terrorist Watch List. I used to collect antique military rifles. Now I write naval history articles and have a machine shop in my basement.

            I have fallen. I wish I had not. I kept my house, but went out to get my mail only after dark for several years after I returned home, just so my neighbors wouldn’t see me.

            The avatar picture fits me, I think, and suits me well, I suspect. I want to be what I once was again, someday.

            The avatar orc was once an elf and still remembers.

          • Laura Dilworth

            the past is the past

          • Chip Carver

            Europeans invented / developed it separately. That’s happened throughout history with other discoveries and inventions as well. In the end, Whites can simply point at the rapid development of civilization and technology in Europe once the people on the continent got rolling. They may have had a later start than Asians, but they left them in the dust. If Asians had had no contact with Whites over the past 200 years they would literally be medieval in the most advanced Asian countries and stone age in the rest.

          • Laura Dilworth

            good to know that we’re on the up and up

  • Puggg

    This story has the pug seal of approval.

    Dogs have historically been the noses and ears that humans just don’t have.

    • Bob Wallace

      My pug apparently hates blacks. The first time he one saw he snarled and tried to throw himself through the side window of my van to get to him. Otherwise he’s a love bug. I was a bit shocked at his behavior.

      • Puggg

        Every one I’ve ever owned rarely sees any blacks thanks to where I live, but when they do, they’re not very happy.

  • bigone4u

    Dogs have better qualities than many people I know, qualities such as loyalty, honesty, and tenacity. White people bred them to reflect the white man’s qualities. Good job, my ancient Euro ancestors. Your hard work has brought me great joy shared with my canine companions.

    • bigone4u

      I forgot to mention the hero dogs, saving human lives.

    • Garrett Brown

      Couldn’t have typed it better myself brother.

    • Mike Conrad

      And Europeans still treat their dogs far better than others. For example, Americans who neglect them and store them in tiny cages and Asians who mistreat and then eat them. And the rest of the Third World where they are generally starved and kicked. In Europe they’re allowed in stores, pubs, and on public transport and as a result of all this ‘integration’ with human society they’re far better behaved too.

  • Hal K

    Another anti-white fairy tale bites the dust.

  • sbuffalonative

    I had always believed it was whites who tamed dogs. I never heard the theory it was Asians. Considering how some Asians treat dogs, it would seem unlikely to me that Asians cared much for canines other than as food.

    • Xerxes22

      I never heard of that theory either. The belief always was that dogs were domesticated by our ancestors in the mideast. We brought them with us when we migrated to Europe. This asian theory is just some more pc crap that was introduced in the last few decades. BTW, cats were supposedly tamed about five thousand years later than dogs which is why felines still have that wildness in them.

  • M.

    So the most faithful and loyal subspecies of animals there is has been bred by Whites. Sounds right to me.
    Oh, and I hope the labrador retrievers and chihuahuas don’t take this personally, but German shepherds are the master race.

    • Alexandra1973

      When I was 19 we had a Boston terrier, a Doberman, and a Great Dane. Mimi, Heidi, and Ceasar.

      Should have seen Mimi and Ceasar play tug of war. Good times.

      I like Dobermans though. I will give you this, though–when I was a baby we had a German shepherd, and she guarded my crib at night. I think I recall my parents telling me she didn’t like blacks.

      • Sick of it

        Dobermans are great. They’re very loving to those who show them love while terrifying to people who mess with their family.

        • M.

          “Dobermans are great.”

          Of course they are. They were developped by a German.

          • bilderbuster

            That reminds me of the joke “What’s brown & black & looks good on a Black man”?

          • M.

            Hahaha good one!

          • I have a better one:

            Q: “What is red and yellow and looks good on a lawyer?”

            A: “Fire.”

            This was told to me by a black guy when I was in jail.

          • bilderbuster

            That’s a good one that should spread like fire LOL!

        • Alexandra1973

          When I was little we had a Doberman named Lady. My sister and I used her as a pillow and tried to ride her like a horse. She was always patient with us.

      • Puggg

        It’s a shame you didn’t have a real dog.

    • Puggg

      You’ve got to be kidding me.

      Those big dummies?

      • M.

        “Big dummies”? They’re third most intelligent breed of dogs!

        • Puggg

          When you’re talking dogs, you have two choices:

          1. Pugs
          2. Mutts

          • M.

            All the breeds are mongrels of something else. But then the breeders isolate them, enhance certain features in them, and you get a unique type. A race.
            A mutt is a mutt; a purebred is a purebred.

            And what’s so special about pugs anyway?

          • We have a fox.

          • Puggg

            What’s so special about pugs?

            That’s like saying what’s so good about a day that’s wall to wall sunshine and 70 degrees.

            It’s just my breedism.

          • Bob Wallace

            Pugs are the comedians of the dog world.

          • Wethepeople

            Awh pug man I know your not talking crap on my blue tick?

        • Talltrees

          You are right.

          Here are the top dogs of 2013.

          Laborador Retriever: Canada
          German Shepherd: Germany – Third smartest
          Golden Retriever: England
          Beagle: England
          Bulldog: England
          Yorkshire Terrier: England
          Boxer: Germany
          Poodle: Germany – Second smartest – No, it’s not France. France ruined this dog’s image. They are super intelligent, athletic, versatile, and water fowl retrievers.
          Rottweiler: Germany
          Dachshund: Germany

          Germany wins. But all of the dogs are Europeans.

        • Garrett Brown

          His inner pugg puppy is coming out. He’s just a bit sensitive.

    • Garrett Brown

      Haha that freakin great

    • William Krapek

      Oh you!!

    • See a pure White Wolf like German Shepard here, a variation of the breed with bloodlines for interbreeding in the South Hemisphere found in South Africa, Australia and NZ.

      You can take us Caucasians out of Northern Europe, but you can’t take Northern Europe out of us Caucasians.

      To the five(ish) people who saw me post this the other day pardon(Puggg esp), but this thread feels more appropriate.

      • Opps, picture is here.

        • Ella

          Looks like a White Alaskan Malamute if I saw this “dog” roam across a field. Is this a hybrid of wolf and Shepherd? Usually, wolves have narrower snout and close set eyes.

          • It’s a long haired White German Shepard, or White Shepard or White Swiss Shepard, beautiful animal hey.
            Pug thought that it looked like a Samoyed, a Russian breed that is one of the fourteen most Ancient dog breeds(see Artic Spitz group in cladogram).

            For North American White German Shepard groups google “American White Shepherd Association” or look up www(dot)whitegermanshepherd(dot)org

          • Another interesting visual comparison.
            I find it fascinating that Wolves are the sole ancestor of all domestic dogs.

          • Ella

            Nice pics….you can see their canine intelligence through their attentiveness.

          • I also learned in the last couple of days that Wolves (at least while they’re young) and Siberian Huskies, are two of the rare animals that have blue eyes.

  • MekongDelta69

    Did Michael Vick’s ancestors kill all the proto-dogs too?!

    • Laura Dilworth

      were there dogs in africa?

      • Yes; they’re jackals.

        If I were an African, I would have wanted to try taming hyenas.

        • Laura Dilworth

          ha!

          • Think of the possibilities of hunting with a pack of those.

          • Laura Dilworth

            hmmm. scavengers, right?

          • Active hunters at night. A pack of hyenas is no joke. Domesticated, they would have also been good at breaking up cavalry.

          • Laura Dilworth

            treed?

          • Chased up a tree.

          • Laura Dilworth

            you were in africa?

  • Charles W.

    Considering that Europeans are responsible for creating the vast majority of dog breeds on the planet, including almost all of the best breeds, and have taken more of an interest in the dog as a companion than any other race, this makes perfect sense.

    • M.

      Yep, and get this: the top 10 most intelligent breeds of dogs have all been developped in Europe. And 4 of the last 5 in Asia.
      The least intelligent breed of dogs is the Afghan hound. The name speaks for itself.

  • Interestingly, Dr. Raymond Coppinger’s “accidental / trash dump” theory of dog domestication seems to be rebuked here.

    That one of his theories has been laid to rest makes me happy. He claims that dog breeding is an example of “Nazi eugenics.”

    Loons. Everywhere loons.

    • M.

      Well, dog breeding IS eugenics. But since dogs’ IQ revolves around 24, they can’t realize some of them are being favored over others and feel bad about it. So no one gets hurt. Therefore it’s not immoral.

      I barely perceive human eugenics as immoral anyway. If done to limited extents, like castrating murderers or repeat offenders, or giving birth incentives to the smartest, they can do way more good than harm. I’m sure the murderers will understand.

      • Andy

        Using eugenics is playing with fire, but what we have right now is de facto dysgenics, which *ensures* that we all get burnt.

        • M.

          Yes, it’s called socialism. Which is ensuring that the least gifted get to enjoy (more or less) the same outcomes as those who outsmart or outskill them.
          The least gifted end up procreating as much (if not more) than their greater counterparts. And that’s a sad dysgenic fact of modern “human rights” politically correct life.

          However, I don’t think limited eugenics is playing with fire. I mean, we already do it to some extent. Sending criminals to prison is eugenic. Since they have less chance to breed there. Our academic and work system are eugenic: the smartest make it to the top of their studies, are more stable financially, and therefore can have more kids.
          But socialism disturbs all of this.

      • Would you like appointed (black) government office workers to be able to decide who gets castrated?

        I didn’t think so.

  • Jacobite2

    Wolves hung around primitive agricutural settlements? Yeah, if there’s one thing to get the wolves running, it’s a big bowl of barley mush. It hardly takes a 2-digit IQ to figure that wolves were gonna be a lot more likely to settle in with big-game hunters than farmers. Good grief!

  • Brian

    Wait…I thought breed was a social construct?

  • Talltrees

    Coprophagy can be caused by malnutrition, malabsorption, diabetes, Cushing’s, thyroid disorder, and steroid medication. It’s rather common in puppies, possibly, learned from the Mother cleaning her puppies’ messes. Usually, it stops as the puppy matures. It also can occur with bored puppies when playing with their stools.

    • John R

      Uhhhh….I was reading about issues related to race realism. Remind me not to read here while I’m eating.

      • Talltrees

        Well…along with race realism are other realities. I heard some kids eat it, too. Also called Coprophagia.

    • Bob Wallace

      All three of my pugs thought the cat pooped delicious candy.

      • Talltrees

        Do you give your cats candy? LOL!

  • Ella

    Well, this explains the Germanic love for dogs! A good dog is the best companion, and they keep us humans in better physical and mental shape.

  • Viking_61

    Why would dogs like Chinamen? Chinamen EAT dogs.

  • JohnEngelman

    The findings, published in the Science journal, contradict an earlier belief that dogs were domesticated in eastern Asia after the origin of farming about 15,000 years ago.

    – Nick Collins, Telegraph (London), November 14, 2013

    Farming began in the Near East ten thousand years ago. It began independently in what is now China nine thousand years ago.

    • Andy

      I thought that was an odd number. Maybe they’ve found earlier evidence of small-scale farming?

  • Patricia Therese Wolff-Keaton

    Archeologically speaking, it is thought dog domestication began around 150,000 years ago…. Domesticated dogs were found in a burial in Germany dating 30,000 years ago. Already domesticated!!!! And for the record, the smartest dog is the Border Collie. 😛 It is incredible the work being done right now on zooarcheology (yes, a real subdiscipline).

    • William Krapek

      Yes Border Collies. But God they can get neurotic! Do not own one unless you own a house and are always ready to give it something to do.

    • You can’t say “border collie.”

      Racism against Hispanics.

      Or…something like that.

  • Garrett Brown

    I just got a corgi a few months ago, she’s amazing. A bit hyper but an absolutely wonderful dog to have as a companion. They will always protect you no matter how short they are.

    • Laura Dilworth

      my new dog is corgi/chihuaha/pembrook

      • Garrett Brown

        Chihuahua and corgi? I have a hard time imaging that lol. Sometimes you wonder how some mutts even happen. My Emma is terrier and Labrador. Weird combinations huh?

        • Laura Dilworth

          yea-got her from a shelter. she’s cute. terrier/lab-no way. mutts are the best. but i love labs

          • Garrett Brown

            She’s the sweetest dog I’ve ever owned. The only terrier left in her is she loves to hunt birds and squirrels haha. She turns into a crackhead for baked chicken/turkey. She’s extremely smart and a great guard dog. I was lucky to get her.

          • Laura Dilworth

            and labs used to hunt too, right?

          • Garrett Brown

            Yes! Lots of bird hunting. They like to fetch the quail.

    • Laura Dilworth

      and they’re the royal dog of choice in Great Britain

    • I dog-sat a Welsh corgi in the winter of 1998-1999. Her name was “Foxy” because of her color, but I called her “Miss Piggy” because she made oinking sounds when she ate. I used to put some water on her dry kibble and then pour a little bacon grease on it for her. She though I was God.

      I use to throw a tennis ball for her; watching her run on those short legs was completely hilarious. One of the wonderful things about dogs is that they are not self-conscious about being what they are. Some civilized people are like that, but we’re rare.

  • William Krapek

    I accepted the conclusions that dogs were domesticated in Asia or the Middle East first. But that never really made sense to me: the only people on the planet who have a love affair with their dogs are White people.

    I also wonder: has our love of dogs taught us to love one another more? Even love the outsider more than the outsider loves himself?

    (We certainly TREAT them better than they treat each other. As a rule.)

    That would be a very interesting study.

  • Dogs are natural scavengers as well as hunters. I grew up with a schnauzer. This is a wonderful breed. He ate dog food, garbage, poop, birds, squirrels and cats. His first cat was when he was about age 8. He was chained under the big willow tree near the upper patio, and when the cat was 100 feet, he charged. His collar broke like it was paper, and didn’t slow him down. By the time I reached the scene, Gregor was doing the “terrier shake” with that cat in his jaws.

    The second time he did it was a year later, and he broke the chain and not his collar. He nailed that cat as well.

    Not bad for a 20-pound schnauzer. I still have Gregor’s collar and tags on the mantlepiece. His last evening he spent mostly laying in my lap.

    Schnauzers are affectionate, and their ears should not be altered. They very much like having their ears stroked. They make a sort of purring sound when one does that. They’re good with children, and quickly become used to guests, but they are alert and bark – and bark and bark – when someone is outside, nearby.

  • An agrarian society would still like small dogs who would kill rodents. Rats and mice are always after stored grain.

  • gregCall

    The original article states that the dog was first domesticated between 19 to 32 thousand years ago in Europe.

    This brings something to my mind, could the domesticated dog be something besides our unique DNA we inherited from the Neanderthals? Since the dog was domesticated during the same period they were in Europe.

    • Andy

      The Neanderthals died out closer to 30kya so it’s possible, but not likely. Modern humans were probably more social anyway. Anyway, all groups except blacks have Neanderthal DNA. It’s years of separate evolution, not tiny bits of inherited non-human DNA, that set the races apart.

      • gregCall

        For shame, haven’t the egalitarians taught you that all members of the genus homo are all equally human.

        Next thing you might be saying certain of the extant sub-species aren’t “human”.
        Now as always we are actually sub-species of the same genus. In this sense the egalitarians are correct in saying “races” don’t exist as we are distinct sub-species rather than simply different races.
        And always remember that all members of the genus canine can interbreed, but no one suggests that a wolf and a coyote or fox or dog are the same species. It is completely disingenuous to suggest a different standard humans than for the animal kingdom.

  • Chip Carver

    This dovetails with the fact that acupuncture was invented in Europe, not in China. When the Tyrolean Iceman was discovered, it turned out that he had tattoos that indicated acupuncture treatment (look it up) – 2200 years before the Chinese began using the treatment.

    This is not to claim Whites invented everything. Of course we haven’t. But so much we have done is being denied or the credit outright stolen from us. Several “historians” make a living claiming the Chinese / E. Asians did everything before Europeans, invented everything, explored every nook and cranny on earth before Europeans. Our enemies in charge, if they can eradicate us, no doubt want to claim every advancement made by Whites was actually their work. With media control they make so many outrageous claims and indulge in so much self aggrandizement (unfortunately a lot of believed by regulars at this site) that it’s mind boggling.

    This particular discovery regarding dogs really shouldn’t be a surprise.

    • Laura Dilworth

      you’re a scholar

  • Sick of it

    Their keen sense pickup “social constructs” in ways we cannot.

    • IanJMacDonald

      The dog recognizes orcs as non-members of your tribe.

  • negrolocaust

    in may of 2012 as i drove east on monument street past the Johns Hopkins hospital in Baltimore Maryland at the intersection of monument and Potomac street, i witnessed two young black men beating a dog to death. i happened to glance to my left up a slight hill as i proceeded eastward and observed a midsized fluffy white dog as one would picture a “family dog” laying on its back with its legs kicking furiously in the air a scream coming from its mouth with a look of abject terror on its face. as it struggled its blood flowed in a thick and ghastly stream down Potomac street toward monument, two black men were dancing around it pelting it with bottles and stones laughing as it struggled for help. the black men were joyful as they danced, joyful to be causing such pain to a defenseless creature. i saw a white police officer a block ahead and went to his window. i stated ” two black men are on Potomac street torturing a dog to death. its blood is running down the street.” he said i will take care of it right away. he put his car in gear and responded. from that day onward i writhe with absolute disgust and hatred at the site of a black person. my stomach churns at their vile culture, their self-hatred and their hatred of all that is positive and good. the angry man strikes out with absolute rage.

    • Laura Dilworth

      ugggh

  • M.

    Well, dogs themselves are a subspecies of the wolves. So they’re all related to their common ancestor. Just like humans are related to their chimp-like common ancestor.

    • ms_anthro

      Some humans moreso than others.

  • Laura Dilworth

    I think the fear/distrust is mutual. I used to work at a post office which employed alot of black mail carriers who despised and feared the smallest dogs.

  • Laura Dilworth

    like obamacare?

  • Laura Dilworth

    or sheep herding

  • My favorite breed is the Komondor: a.k.a. the Hungarian “rope dog”. They need a lot of attention because they otherwise go wild.

  • Alexandra1973

    Send PETA over there.

  • ms_anthro

    Dogs are masters at reading body language, since it’s their main method of communication with each other. Additionally, they’re capable of detecting the faintest traces of chemicals we humans emit when we’re hyper-alert, scared, nervous, or aggressive. They can smell fear and sense danger in people long before their human master becomes aware of it.

    Many Africans are violent predators. A good, alert dog would be instantly aware of this and on guard. I’ve met blacks that think dogs are “spooky” because they seem to be able to read minds. This just reinforces the idea that many blacks, due to their violent and impulsive temperament, naturally have shady, predatory body language that gives them away before they’re even consciously aware of their own evil intentions towards the dog’s owner.

    • I once worked with a black guy who was also terrified of cats. He explained that he felt they were always looking at him. I’m allergic to cats, but I know that silently watching things is just what cats do. I have a mountain lion skull here, and the eye sockets are huge; they’re just very visual creatures.

  • ms_anthro

    I’ve observed this behavior in nearly every breed of dog, from chihuahuas to midsized mutts to Great Danes. Even the friendliest dogs seem to naturally bristle in the presence of blacks they don’t know.

  • ms_anthro

    Their average IQ is the lowest on Earth, I believe–somewhere in the the low to mid-sixties. Imagine having a 65 IQ and trying to function in modern White Australian society. Now imagine that you, your family, your tribal friends, and everyone who looks like you shares the same mental handicap. It’s almost inconceivable. But we’re supposed to pretend that race is just a social construct.

  • Alec Smart

    A study implying Europeans more advanced? Quick fund a study to find otherwise! And if that doesn’t work simply attack this study in any way imaginable. And as a last resort, just personally attack and discredit the authors, and have them fired…

    This is how the liberals think.

  • Laura Dilworth

    I need to read it

  • Laura Dilworth

    Who’s W. Rathenau?

    • Walter Rathenau was the fellow who ran German’s finances during World War One. He kept Germany in the fight far longer than should have been possible. He was Jewish, and was murdered by extremists after the war. He was a complete professional who did his best for his country and was in no way responsible for Germany’s defeat.

      • Laura Dilworth

        thanks

  • Talltrees

    Those excuses can be blamed on veterinarians and veterinary schools. I also have some years of dog experience under my belt. None of mine have done it. How do I know? If a dog was doing it, it would be done in front of its master at least one time.

    No, wouldn’t want my dog licking my face after eating sh_t.

  • BulgAryan

    Evolution only works for canines?

  • Morgoth, a fallen angel did it.

  • Friends of mine used to have a wolf-shepherd cross. Roxanne was very wolfish in some respects. She was Julie’s dog and never caused her any trouble until Glenn moved in, and at that point, Roxie decided that she was alpha female. When she went into heat, Glenn would return home from work to find Roxie waiting on the bed for him.

    They were worried about Roxanne when Julie got pregnant, about how she would act around a kid. Roxie didn’t miss a beat; she accepted that she was beta female and was very, very protective of their daughter.

    When I went to Denver to visit, I always slept on the floor downstairs, because this is easier on my back, and Roxie always curled up right next to me as – I guess – non-mating members of the pack.

  • Laura Dilworth

    ugggh

  • Laura Dilworth

    asians? spying?

  • Laura Dilworth

    Did you hear about the revenge rape in St Paul, MN? He raped an elderly woman in front of her husband, cuz she was a witness that he robbed her home 2x and got him sent to prison

  • Laura Dilworth

    and jacob schiff was instrumental