This is the man who killed Renisha McBride–revealed for the first time after charges of murder in the second degree, manslaughter and possession of a firearm during a felony were brought against him today.

Theodore Wafer

Theodore Wafer

Theodore Wafer, 54, blasted Ms McBride in the head with a shotgun after she knocked on his door in the predominantly white area of Dearborn Heights, Michigan, following a car crash.

MailOnline can show his picture for the first time, after he was officially named today by prosecutors.

Speaking at a press conference today Prosecutor Kym Worthy said: ‘We have issued these charges because we believe the evidence will show that self defense was not warranted.

‘Under Michigan law, there is no duty to retreat into your own home, however, someone who claims self defense must honestly and reasonably believe that he is in imminent danger of either losing his life or suffering great bodily harm, and that use of deadly force is necessary to prevent that harm.’

Worthy said race was in no way an issue in the decision to press charges after the case was compared to that of Trayvon Martin, 17, who was shot dead by George Zimmerman.

The prosecutor added that any alcohol Ms McBride had consumed on the night was irrelevant to the case after it was revealed Ms McBride was twice the legal limit and had traces of marijuana in her system.

Worthy added: ’13 days ago 19 year old Renisha McBride was involved in a car accident. At the scene witnesses reported that she was bloodied, disorientated and appeared to be confused.

‘She left the scene on foot, hours later her lifeless body was found by the police, near the porch of a Dearborn Heights house.

‘She was found with a very large gunshot wound to her face. It is alleged she was shot to death by the home owner after she knocked on his locked front screen door.

‘By all reports she was unarmed and there were no signs of forced entry at the property.’

Worthy said Wafer was licensed to own the gun.

If found guilty of second degree murder, Wafer could be sentenced to life in prison. Manslaughter carries a penalty of up to 15 years and Felony Firearm a two year mandatory served consecutively.

Wafer is not currently in custody, but will turn himself in for arraignment at Dearborn Heights police station at some point this afternoon.

Today’s three charges follow two weeks of protests in the Detroit area, with friends and family of the tragic 19-year-old victim furious Wager was free to walk the streets.

Renisha McBride

Renisha McBride

Police requested a warrant from Wayne County Prosecutors last week, but it was a denied with officials saying they needed more evidence to be collected first.

According to toxicology results the tragic Detroit-born 19-year-old’s blood alcohol level was .218. Under Michigan law anyone with a level 0.10 is considered legally drunk.

The report, released by Wayne County Medical Office also noted that signs of marijuana were found in her system. Officials have recommended a retest to confirm this.

After the crash on the outskirts of Detroit, some witnesses said she appeared drunk, while others said she was just concussed from the impact. One neighbor, who lived just opposite the accident said he could not tell if she was under the influence, but revealed she seemed incredibly confused and walked to and from her car, getting in and out three times, before eventually leaving the scene with her hood pulled over her head.

Around two-and-a-half-hours later she knocked on the door of a house in near-by Dearborn Park and Wafer blasted her in the face with a shot gun.

Witnesses to Ms McBride’s crash–in the early hours of November 2–said she had been speeding at the time she hit a parked car and a tree on a quiet residential street. One of her relatives previously revealed she had been in at least two other car crashes in the past.

But witness LeDell Hammond, who was one of the last people to see Ms McBride alive, says he could not tell if she was drunk. He also told how guilty he felt that he didn’t do more to stop her when she walked off into the night from the crash scene.

Speaking to MailOnline, the father-of-one said: ‘I got back from work a couple of moments after the crash and the girl had walked off. But then she came back and got in her car, before getting back out and walking off again. She did that another two times and it was clear she was very confused and didn’t really know what was going on.

‘If I’m being honest I couldn’t tell if she was intoxicated, it seemed to me she was probably just really confused and really scared. She was only 19 and she was probably terrified about getting in trouble.

‘The people on the other side of the street were trying to get her to stay, but she just kept really quiet. She walked right past me and I noticed a bit of blood and that her boots were all torn up. She was wearing some kind of jacket and she had her hood pulled up over her head.

‘That was the last I saw of her as she got onto the main road and turned round the corner. I thought about trying to stop her, but I was there with two of my friends and I thought she might be intimidated.

‘If only I’d known what was going to happen to her, I would have grabbed her and made her stay. I have thought about it a lot since that night, but there was no way I could have known she was going to end up dead.

‘It’s a terrible tragedy, she just knocked on the wrong door. I was one of the last people to see her alive, which is a crazy thing to think about. I have thought about the fact she had her hood up and maybe the guy thought she looked intimidating, but I could easily tell she was a girl.’

Yesterday we told how an ex-girlfriend of Wafer’s dismissed the idea he was a racist. But the woman did say the killer was a heavy drinker with a bad temper. In fact their relationship ended so sourly they actually wound up in court, fighting a stalking case.

The woman who does not want to be named, met the suspect while working in a factory in Detroit in the mid-nineties.

Speaking exclusively to the MailOnline, she said: ‘We went out for a few months, but we had some major problems because he really liked to drink. I was no angel, but I thought he drank far too much and It was a problem for him.

‘We split up because of his drinking and one evening he came over to try to reconcile, but we ended up having a physical fight. It was just pushing and shoving and the police weren’t called, but it was pretty unpleasant and left me with bruises on my arms. I saw a very nasty side to him.

‘Because we worked together, it was very difficult and we actually went to court to get things sorted officially. There were accusations flying around on both sides.

‘I haven’t seen him since. Despite all of that and how much of a jerk he was to me, I was still stunned when I heard he had been caught up in the shooting.

‘He was very cocky and confident and could be argumentative, but he wasn’t ever some kind of gun nut and he wasn’t really violent. I find it hard to believe he did this on purpose.’

People have suggested the killing, which happened in the predominately white area of Dearborn Park, was racially motivated and likened it to the shooting of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed 17-year-old who was killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer while walking home.

At this stage there is no suggestion Wafer held racist views. And his ex-partner said she was never given any reason to think he was prejudiced in that way. She said: ‘He wasn’t an angel, but I would never have considered him to be a racist. He didn’t ever do anything in front of me that suggested he had those kinds of views.’

Ms McBride’s tragic death happened after she crashed her car about half a mile away from the unnamed man’s house soon before 1am.

She was not shot until around 4am and it is not known what she had been doing for around two-and-a-half hours before her death.

On Tuesday audio footage from a police dispatcher was obtained by The Detroit News, giving a glimpse into what happened that night.

At 4.46am the female dispatcher says: ‘Just received a 911 call from a male (who) thinks he just shot someone on his porch. Then he hung up; we’re trying to call back.’

About a minute later, the dispatcher radioed: ‘Units responding: We have the male on the line. (He) states he doesn’t know this person. Trying to get further (information).’

A responding officer told the dispatcher: ‘There’s somebody down on the porch … it appears it’s going to be a black female.’

Immediately after Ms McBride’s death Wafer apparently claimed he pulled the trigger by accident, but in recent days his lawyer has said he was in fear for his life–despite his size.

‘There was a lot of banging. It was a lot of noise, and it didn’t sound like just knocking,’ attorney Cheryl Carpenter told Michigan Radio in an interview released on Monday.

‘This is a tragedy for everybody involved, and the homeowner is completely torn up. He realizes another person’s life was taken. It was a young woman, and he is devastated by that fact,’ she said.

Friends described Ms McBride as an outgoing girl who loved cars and shopping. She had graduated from Southfield High School, where she was in the cheer squad, in 2012. Ms McBride had recently begun a job working for the Ford Motor Company.

According to the Detroit News, the family had to have a closed casket due to the terrible injuries she sustained.

‘We couldn’t get a chance to look at her for the last time,’ said Krystal Byrd, who said she was McBride’s cousin. ‘We need justice.’

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  • She was drunk, high, knocking on his door at 4 AM.

    He probably thought either she was a burglar or robber or a front for such. The Bellcurvii are good for running those sorts of scams, sending a girl or young woman to a house, saying “hep me hep me” and it’s all a run up for her male companions to rob the joint and the homeowner.

    • Katherine McChesney

      If this had been in a black neighborhood she would have been robbed and raped before she was killed.

      • bilderbuster

        But race would have nothing to do with it.

    • Dave4088

      A local cop informed us at a “neighborhood watch” meeting that burglary rings sometimes employ females who feign distress to gain access to a home to see if there is anything inside worth taking or in some cases to disable the homeowners and enable the burglars entry.

      • Marlin B. Newburn

        That is a laser-accurate fact. Many times a female black will be used as bait in a crime as she may feign distress near a home like you said, or near a business like a convenience store. Some will stand near what appears to be her disabled car as she waves her hand for help. Someone stops, and out jump several black males to do the dirty deed. Very common, that.

    • Alexandra1973

      I just saw an article on a Michigan newspaper site. The guy lives on West Outer Drive. My dad warned me a long time ago that Outer Drive was pretty dangerous. And Mr. Wafer said he feared for his life. Let’s see…live in a dangerous part, have a black girl “chimping out” on your porch…yeah, I’d think I’d reach for my shotgun too.

    • GOD

      He shouldn’t have opened the door in the first place. A black (female or otherwise) knocking at a door is a red flag to begin with. Add to that the time. Too bad because this guy is gonna get sent away for sure.

  • dd121

    You can never be too careful around blacks.

    • Blue-eyed Devil

      But she didn’t deserve to die.

      • dd121

        How do you know?

      • HamletsGhost

        Says who? She was endangering human lives by driving while severely intoxicated. She was as dangerous behind the wheel as she would have been had she been robbing liquor stores with a loaded gun. She had already wrecked two other cars besides this one on that night. If she had managed to survive that night, who doubts that she would be doing the same think a few weeks later.

        • bigone4u

          I gave you an upvote, but a lawyer addressing a jury would say that Wafer is the dangerous one, shooting wildly and endangering the children in the house next door and throughout the neighborhood. And besides, does every pretty young white girl college student deserve to die because she stupidly drives after drinking. In a case I am familiar with the prosecutor portrayed the man who had empty cardboard boxes stored on the open back porch of his house as killing thousands of children in a fire that, of course, never took place. Prosecutors use jury emotions to convict while making ridiculous exaggerated claims about the defendant. It’s standard practice because it works.

        • WR_the_realist

          There were excellent grounds for suspending the license of Renisha McBride. But last I checked it isn’t legal to shoot drunkards on the grounds that eventually they will kill somebody else in an automobile accident.

          • HamletsGhost

            Actually, her license WAS suspended. Fat load of good it did.

            I’m not talking about legality. I’m talking about a more metaphysical, karma-like Darwin award poetic justice here. She led a short but wild life of boozing and cruising and TNB that Harlem-shuffled her mortal coil.

            My grief is manageable.

          • mgs166

            My grief is reserved for humans.

          • Svigor

            Indeed. I couldn’t care less. I approach stuff like this from a legal standpoint. Morally, it’s another issue. Blacks are such rampaging violent criminals, and their lives are worth so much less than whites’, that I’d have real trouble convicting this man, if I were on the jury. I’d seriously have to consider nullification, simply because nullification is always to be considered when a white is in the dock for a crime against a black.

        • Svigor

          I don’t know why “she didn’t deserve to die” should be deleted. It’s true, and there’s no reason to censor that. The mods here seem rather capricious. The darkie calling himself “Blue-Eyed Devil” has plenty of annoying posts that should be deleted, but that was one of his least annoying posts.

          And no, she didn’t deserve to die.

          • HamletsGhost

            Bleary-Eyed Dope was nothing but a troll. Even his less pukable posts were usually preludes to something vile and douchey, like publicly hoping for Wafer to be raped in prison. We’ll just have to soldier on without him, somehow summoning the strength to carry on.

      • What we “deserve” has nothing to do with it. Whether it is cancer, HIV or diabetes, we’re all going there. You must be either very young or very inexperienced. I think your post was thus a non-sequitur.

        I would be delighted if life was meant to last forever. War or an accident would eventually claim me, so the solution is still the same; we just add things like drowning, artillery fire and car accidents to the equation.

        • Blue-eyed Devil

          I am middle-aged and very experienced.

      • GOD

        Neither did the hundreds of Whites murdered by blacks over the last few years. I feel nothing for her.

        • Blue-eyed Devil

          The hundreds if not thousands of whites murdered by blacks has NOTHING to do with this trigger happy redneck killing this poor young woman.

        • Blue-eyed Devil

          You feel nothing for her yet have the screen name GOD. You’re a laugh riot.

  • WR_the_realist

    If a drunk young black woman is banging on your screen door that’s not sufficient cause to shoot her. To me it looks like Theodore Wafer is guilty as charged. Wafer should have been less trigger happy and Renisha should have had her license suspended for couple of years, but not shot.

    Needless to say, this has nothing to do with the Trayvon Martin case, where a young punk simply got what was coming to him.

    • Dave4088

      How about we get the real facts before rushing to judgement. Remember that the initial news stories also painted George Zimmerman to be a trigger happy and out of control racist monster.

      • WR_the_realist

        In the Trayvon Martin case the cops listened to Zimmerman’s story, looked at the medical evidence, and decided the shooting was justified defense. Charges were only filed after the usual race hustlers made it a cause célèbre. In this case the cops wasted little time charging the man with manslaughter. Unless you seriously believe that that drunk woman got out of her wrecked car, banged on that man’s door, and starting swinging a metal pipe at him, it’s hard to see how the defendant is going justify his actions.

        • Dave4088

          The black prosecutor only filed murder charges after the howling blacks mobs protested that Wafer wasn’t arrested. And two weeks after the shooting took place. If evidence of murder was conclusive the night of the shooting Wafer would have been arrested immediately or within days of the incident, but not weeks.

          • WR_the_realist

            Two weeks does not strike me as an unusual length of time for the police to do the preliminary investigation needed to determine if a murder charge is warranted.

          • WR_the_realist

            I want to add that the article states that the police wanted to file murder charges after the first week, but were told to go back and gather more evidence. So there’s nothing fishy about the time line. It wasn’t a matter of Al Sharpton forcing the case.

        • negrolocaust

          read THE ARTICLE. he SAID it went off accidently. mstop commenting.

          • WR_the_realist

            If you pick up a gun, point it at someone, and then the gun accidentally goes off, killing that person, you will face at least involuntary manslaughter charges, a felony that will typically get you a year in prison. That’s probably the best Wafer can hope for unless the defense can find evidence that he was actually attacked. And don’t be shocked if the jury isn’t convinced that the firing was accidental. Be very careful how you use a gun.

          • I’d go to his house and punch his ticket, but I’m a *racist*, so all I’d have to do is kill everyone else in that house and plead guilty so long as I will receive the death penalty. If I could kill some of the cops and blind a guard while in custody, that would make the deal certain.

            Nobody ever asked me whether I wanted to be born in a country that considered blacks to be human.

    • Sick of it

      He had such terrible intentions that he called 911 after the fact and ruined his life…

      • WR_the_realist

        The man may not have had any malice, but it still appears that he fired his gun when he didn’t need to. He screwed up badly. Badly enough to do serious time in prison. Don’t own a gun if you can’t exercise better self control than he did.

        • Blue-eyed Devil

          He’s going to be spreading his cheeks for Bubba.

        • negrolocaust

          stop commenting

          • WR_the_realist

            Stop assuming that every single white person is justified in shooting every single black person.

          • Are you suggesting that we are not?

        • negrolocaust

          get off board stop spamming

      • Greg Thomas

        I hear you, but his life was already ruined by the time he made the phone call. Besides, he had to call someone, as he could not leave a dead body lying on his front door step.

  • Magician

    *sigh* here comes Trayvon Martin-style mayhem again.

    • HamletsGhost

      These Trayvon style incidents are going to become a recurring fixture in modern American life. Blacks continue to get ever bolder in their already outrageous behavior, and it’s a statistical certainty that that behavior will collide with a law-abiding citizen with a gun.
      As usual, the usual suspects will scream about the “gun culture” of mainstream America, all the while ignoring the “gangsta culture”, as the source of these killings.

  • libertarian1234

    “After the crash on the outskirts of Detroit, some witnesses said she appeared drunk, while others said she was just concussed from the impact.”

    After a reading of .218 she was undoubtedly drunk. To try to suggest otherwise is just plain nonsense.

    The big question is what she was up to for a long time until she was messing around this guy’s door. That’s important. She could have been breaking into other places.

    There’s something important this liberal rag isn’t telling us about the rest of the story.

    But it certainly did its best to check into whether or not the shooter was a racist.

    And, here’s the second degree murder charge again, which carries with it proof of depraved indifference to human life and an intent to do kill or do serious bodily harm, neither of which…I’m pretty sure….is going to apply here.

    And here’s another Nifong/Corey prosecutor who is trying first and foremost to prevent the black mobs from rioting by over charging, as in the Zimmerman case.

    And it’s all because this screwball was black. God only knows what she was up to for hours until she was shot. I’m afraid the “concussed” excuse doesn’t cut it.

    • After a reading of .218 she was undoubtedly drunk. To try to suggest otherwise is just plain nonsense.

      Remember this is 2.5 hours after the accident.

      • Alexandra1973

        If she was drunk she might have gotten belligerent. How does alcohol affect blacks anyway?

        • It makes them belligerent and aggressive.
          I would never put myself around drunk blacks.

          We are supposed to believe that this teen angel politely knocked on his door and he shot her for the heck of it. Not likely.
          Even marijuana effects them differently.

          Lots of facts not being reported here.

          • Alexandra1973

            Agreed. I have a hard time believing someone just “busted a cap” in someone’s face for no good reason, especially given the “anti-racist” environment in this country.

            (Of course if it was a black shooting someone else, I’d have NO problem believing that someone was shot for no good reason.)

          • It was a shotgun blast to the face that killed her.
            She was up in his face most likely.

          • negrolocaust

            he thought it was trayvon

          • Svigor

            He’s a drunkard with a bad temper and a shotgun. What’s so hard to understand?

          • Katherine McChesney

            Liquor also makes some Whites belligerent and aggressive.

          • Marlin B. Newburn

            An excellent and accurate post, Katherine. The first thing alcohol does is block the effect of the frontal lobes of the brain. The frontal lobes control emotion, and dictate civil and polite behavior in people. When that area is temporarily numbed, any reptilian-influenced behavior can manifest to include aggression and hostility.

          • But this would thus make me naturally peaceful, so long as my frontal lobe is a bit numb.

        • Greg Thomas

          Most blacks are already belligerent, irrespective of alcohol. The term, pouring gas on the fire comes to mind when alcohol is introduced.

    • Svigor

      But it certainly did its best to check into whether or not the shooter was a racist.

      Agreed. I find the question irrelevant. The media/establishment seem to think that one’s political beliefs can preclude one’s right to self-defense; in their minds, the phony, non-existent right to “non-discrimination” and “freedom from racism” trumps the real, Constitutionally-protected right to self-defense.

      It’s absurd, really. If anything, my racism makes me less likely to shoot a black perp, because I’m so aware of how eager the media and establishment are to lynch a Great White Defendant.

  • Magician

    I think, 100% sober, smiling black is even more dangerous than a drunk, high black person.

  • rowingfool

    Something just seems strange about this sequence of events.

    She wandered around for two and a half hours before knocking on his door?

    AND her blood alcohol level was STILL .218?

    When did she quit drinking? At 1:00 a.m.? That’s three and a half hours and her blood alcohol was still .218. Something doesn’t add up here. What would her blood alcohol level have been at 1:00 a.m.?

    Or did she call a friend and did they drive around drinking and smoking?

    And after she was shot, did her friend bail on her?

    Why in the name of all that is sane, would a person knock on someone’s door (or rummage around on their front porch) at 4:30 in the morning?

    The prosecutor said that her drunkeness would not be a factor, but WHY NOT?
    She was so far gone, there’s no telling what she was doing outside of this guy’s house.

    • Sloppo

      Interesting question. According to a web site I just googled and found, alcohol is normally metabolized at the rate of .015 of blood alcohol concentration (BAC) every hour. During the time between 1 and 4, using that formula, she should have lost .045, so at 1:00 she must have been around 0.263. I’m not much of an alcohol consumer so to understand those numbers I looked up the expected effects for that general level of intoxication on wikipedia. Between 0.20 and 0.29, normal effects include stupor, loss of understanding, impaired sensations, possibility of falling unconscious, severe motor impairment, and memory blackout. Add in the effects of marijuana and I believe it’s very easy to understand why she wrecked. It’s fortunate that she didn’t kill an innocent person.

      • rowingfool

        There you go. Good job looking up some data to flesh this thing out.

      • I’ve been able to function completely well in combat flight simulators while tested at the time at .216 blood alcohol content, but this gal should never have been driving. Moreover, the simultaneous use of alcohol and marijuana tend to have a synergistic effect: the result is greater than the sum of the components.

        When I was in prison, I knew some guys who had survived joining the “Four Hundred Club”. To do this, one must attain a measured BAC of .400 and live. No thanks.

        With marijuana also, who knows what this severely messed-up woman said or how weird she was acting?

        • rowingfool

          Ah, yes. I too can attest, from experience in my ahem, younger days that alcohol and weed combine in a, as you say, synergistic way that can easily lead to behavior beyond the bounds of what is considered normal and I believe that I wrecked a few chairs, crashed a bike and collapsed from failed handstands and in general made a fool out of myself but fortunately, never wrecked an auto or even got pulled over for impaired driving though I did wonder who had been driving when I realized that I had been staring at a fly on the inside of the windshield for lo who knows how many miles.

        • Nathanwartooth

          Of course mixing weed and alcohol is different for everyone. But I’ll tell you this much, which how much alcohol she had in her system I wouldn’t be surprised if she spent those two hours just stumbling around or laying on the ground.

        • Nice Guy

          You were in prison?

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            Yes he was. He bores us with his prison stories every other day.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Also about his personal sexual behavior which is disgusting.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            I don’t have any respect for jailbirds. If you did time in prison, you shouldn’t talk about it. He seems to brag about it.

          • I paid for it, so I own it. If someone wants me to shut up about it, I want my money and my rights back. No checks.

          • Nice Guy

            Did you bum/get bummed?

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            Is it really necessary to talk about your prison experiences on American Renaissance?

          • It is part of who I am, just like going to college at Santa Cruz or growing up in Boulder and not turning into a leftist.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            Understood.

          • Anything a pair of adults do behind closed doors is bound to be disgusting. I married Sayaka, and that was the happiest day of my life.

    • ThomasER916

      Why not? Because the government is anti-white. Whenever it could lead to a white’s innocence it will be removed from the court. This is true even when someone isn’t white but is accused of having whiteness.

  • ncpride

    Similar to a case in Charlotte, NC…except the shooter was a cop. Long story short, black guy wrecks car, goes looking for help and bangs on a woman’s door in the middle of the night. Woman panics and calls 911 because she’s thinking this guy is trying to break in. Cops arrive, black guy refuses to stop and put his hands in the air and keeps approaching cops with hands behind his back. White cop shoots black guy 10 times. Excessive? Yeah…. but there is dash-cam footage of the incident……..Thankfully for the White cop.

    The NAACP tried raising a stink over ‘racism’ and accusing that cop of killing the poor black guy out of ‘hatred’….. didn’t fly. They have been eerily silent on the issue since, and my guess is they were told to just stop before they make even bigger fools of themselves. The fact they refuse to release the dash-cam footage speaks volumes… Cop has been charged with murder, but his lawyers are adamant the video will exonerate him. We’ll see.

    • sbuffalonative

      Yes, I remember that incident and was surprised it didn’t get more press and there is very little follow up on that story.

      • ncpride

        Exactly. I believe there has been no follow up and more press because that footage is damaging, and tells a completely different story than what the NAACP was trying to push. When the story first broke, the cop’s colleagues were saying he was being thrown under the bus, but they have went silent too, as per ordered, I’m sure. Recently released toxicology reports say the black guy was drunk as well.

        • negrolocaust

          i am shocked the black government is releasing any toxicology report in both cases

          • ThomasER916

            I bet some white leaked it. Whites are starting to catch on as blacks, Liberals, and Juice have aggressively pushed their anti-white racism.

  • [Guest]

    Let the deification of Renisha McBride and the demonization of Theodore Wafer begin.

    She has had at least three car crashes, perhaps while high and/or drunk, and this gets transmogrified into an observation that she “loved cars.” He, by contrast, gets the ex-girlfriend treatment. He is cocky and confident, drinks, and has a temper.

    The facts matter only to the extent that the usual suspects can manipulate them into a narrative that they can then plant in people’s minds through repetition.

    • …. she “loved cars.”

      She apparently also loved wrapping them around trees or doing “fist bumps” with other peoples’ cars.

      • [Guest]

        I wonder how long it’ll be before it comes out that she was an aspiring ambulance or school-bus driver whose dreams were destroyed by an angry white man with a gun.

        • You mean “amber lamps” driver?

          Just say it if you have never heard the term before.

        • Non Humans

          And that she was tunnin huh life around just as that rayciss parked car jumped out in front of her.

      • ThomasER916

        LOL! This reminds me when KHOU TV reported a story in which a 10 year old black girl rapes neighborhood boy and they tried to paint a nice picture of her. During her interview she said, “I like maths” and we saw footage of a failure at basic arithmetic. It’s as if liking “maths” made everything OK.

        Q: Charles Mason, do you like Maths?
        A: I loved my mother. She’s a good girl.

  • The more “odd” the name, the more likely it is a problem.

  • 48224

    He shot her in the face with a shotgun according to local news reports.

    I have a CCW and carry a pistol most of the time. I am from Detroit and am no fan of black folks because of dozens of bad experiences. But, I would NEVER shoot someone knocking on my front door no matter what time it was.

    He should have called 911 and stood at the front door with the shotgun, if she kicked the front door in…..OPEN SEASON!!!! This trigger happy dufus gives gun toating rednecks like me a bad name.

    • HamletsGhost

      How lucid are you when you are woken up suddenly at some ungodly hour to instantly face a potentially life-threatening situation. Give this guy a little slack.

      • Svigor

        Lucid enough not to open the door.

        If someone is so impaired that he can’t handle these sorts of situations, and shoots someone in the face as a result, he belongs in prison, IMO.

        • We don’t open the door for strangers, even during the day, but the guy may not have developed quite this sense of self-preservation.

          Perhaps a completely hammered and out-of-control groid who wrecks her car, avoids the “bambalampse” and is pounding on doors several hours later – who knows where or how the missing time was spent – needs shooting.

          • Svigor

            Then perhaps it’s a win-win.

    • negrolocaust

      accidents happen he said it went off by mistake i believe him he was probably scared and nervous . he is innocent it is bs that he was charged just more black power stuff.

    • negrolocaust

      get off this board stop spamming false information

      • 48224

        What part was false? The local news, here in Detroit, where I LIVE reported that he shot her in the face with a shotgun through a locked storm door. And this was according to the proscutor’s office who waited over a week before deciding to press charges.

        Unless you were on the porch with her, I doubt your information is as accurate as mine. Anyway, the point is, this guy is no George Zimmerman who I thought was totally correct in shooting Trayvon Martin….totally different situation.

    • Svigor

      This is my thinking too, more or less.

  • sbuffalonative

    All the facts aren’t out yet and there have been initial rumors such as her being shot in the back of the head. This isn’t a Trayvon Martin scenario. At this point, I’m not going to take his side only because he’s white.

    But there are things that are unclear. The accident is said to have happened about 1am but the shooting didn’t happen until 4am. It’s also reported that people offered help but this women wandered away. How did that happen? Where did she go? What was she doing during that time interval?

    How bad was crime in this neighborhood? Had there been incidents of home invasions, burglaries, robberies? Was the man at least justified by his fear of previous events?
    Many people have asked on various forums, ‘who answers a door at 4AM with a shot gun?’ If you live where you have to confront ‘diversity’, the real question is ‘who wouldn’t?’

    • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

      Many people have asked on various forums, ‘who answers a door at 4AM with a shot gun?’
      .
      Living in the proximity of Detroit, that’s the only way I’d answer the door at any time of day or night.

    • negrolocaust

      “I’m not going to take his side only because he’s white.”…

      i AM going to take his side only because he is white.

      • Svigor

        I tend to approach these questions from multiple avenues. Usually I only express the most salient. In my mind, here that is the avenue of the rule of law. That clearly suggests in my mind that this fellow is guilty of manslaughter and should go to prison.

        Another avenue is my racialism. E.g., I’d seriously consider nullification if I was on this jury, for a number of reasons.

        But in this case, I think rule of law is more salient. If we want to change the laws such that blacks are second-class citizens and shooting them as soon as they come onto your property is legal, I probably wouldn’t put up much of a fuss. But until we do, we have to live with the absurd notion of racial equality. And under that legal reality, the fact is the guy is guilty.

        Then there’s the fact that this guy apparently doesn’t have a racist bone in his body. I.e., he’s very much in favor of racial equality, legal and otherwise – at best. So, why shouldn’t he be judged under the system he favors?

    • Katherine McChesney

      Blacks lied about Treyvon Martin. They claimed Zimmerman shot him in the back.

  • Lord_Steven_Regal

    Interesting how race is stressed in the headline and becomes THE story in this case. Can the people who’ve appointed themselves as our masters be any more obvious? Even the generally non-politically correct Daily Mail feels the need to play along with the prevailing evil white racist narrative.

    • negrolocaust

      yes but the three elderly ww2 veterans and the white soldier killed by blacks this month race is not reported

  • bigone4u

    Watch the stuff hit the fan over the next months. McBride is guilty of drunk driving, leaving the scene of an accident, and trespassing. Perhaps she was also damaging his home. It is PURE SPECULATION that she was seeking help some two to three hours after the accident. Booze makes some people mean and angry at the world, ready to lash out randomly. Wafer, in the meantime, is most likely awakened by McBride’s commotion. Sleepy, his judgment impaired, he fails to call 911 before pulling the trigger of his weapon. Murder? No. Poor judgment? Yes, and people are punished for poor judgment all the time.

    There are too many unanswered questions at this point to say what Wafer’s punishment should be. What we can count on that the SPLC, Sharpton, Jackson, et. al. will use this to work blacks into a frenzy and make whites feel guilty. I can already picture the SPLC fund raising letter in my mind’s eye, painting all whites as vicious murdering racists.

    • negrolocaust

      also guilty of: using illegal drugs drunk and disorderly public intoxication, disturbing the peach, attempted breaking and entering, attempted first degree burglary, suspicious person, driving on wrong side of road destruction of property malicious destruction of property creating a public nusience, dwi, dui, harassment, possession of cannabis, crossing double yellow line, speeding, reckless driving suspiscious person, public intoxication, open container in vehicle, under 21 purchase and consume alcohol, failure to report accident, failure to maintain safe speed, failure to control vehicle, leaving the scene with property and enviornmental damage (tree), reckless endangerment, and violation of probation. to name just a few.

      • bigone4u

        Together, we have given Wafer’s legal defense team a strategy to use to fight his murder indictment and perhaps even his manslaughter charge. Some of McBride’s crimes rise to the felony level, I think. Drunk driving, for example.
        Wafer’s going to need to come up clean in a criminal background check, though. His ex-girlfriend isn’t helping his cause. Here in Texas a homeowner shot and killed two blacks in his yard and was acquitted. I doubt that’s going to happen in Wayne county.

      • She was also illegally drunk. The age for drinking in the United States is 21, and this dead gal was 19.

        As long as the DA’s office is slinging felony charges around, they need to find out who gave her all that booze.

  • Sensitivity Training

    No matter what crimes she had just committed, when he was so blinded by racist White privilege that he shot her dead, she was automatically deemed innocent of any past crimes.

    Black Privilege in Action.

    (Is it just me, or is anybody else noticing the sudden abundance of blue eyed n’groes all over TV, and are most very high yalla, but the darker blackaloids are more scary.)

    • Brutus

      “Hate everything”? Everything? If I hated everything, I probably wouldn’t want to save lives.

  • The Final Solution

    Self-defense is always necessary where blacks are concerned. He was in imminent danger because he lives in a warzone where deadly force was justified. Call it preventative maintenance.

    • Sensitivity Training

      I’m deeply offended that you haven’t yet nominated him for a George Zimmerman Community Service Award.

      • The Final Solution

        Just another day in the jungle. Zulu down!

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Well, we already have a new school holiday this year!!

        Celebrate Trayvon Martin Day. TMD is going to rightfully and righteously replace “President’s Day” in February.

        Pass the Purple Drank, Dawg!!

        • ThomasER916

          Don’t be a boob.

          Use the People’s Cube!

  • Greg Thomas

    I agree. He should have waited until she walked though the front door before he unloaded on her. Otherwise, he should have called police and stayed in the house.

    • Blue-eyed Devil

      This man is going to be lynched.

      • Greg Thomas

        You are probably correct, as this man made a serious error in judgement and will have to face the consequences. With that being said, I do not believe his actions warrant a first degree murder charge. But, I also suspect this guy would have been “lynched” no matter what the facts suggest, as he is White and “victim” was a druken negress.

        • Brian

          Sounds like manslaughter at worst– where is his possible ‘malice aforethought’?

          • Greg Thomas

            Under common law,malice aforethought can be formed in an instant. The moment he raised his gun,pointed at her head and then pulled the trigger may be enough to satisfy the malignant heart element of the crime.
            Prosecutors generally charge up in cases like this, which leaves some wiggle room to plea bargin down to a second degree or manslaughter charge down the line.

          • Brian

            If that’s the case (‘instant’ = ‘aforethought’) what is the practical point in even having that term? ‘Spur of the moment’ and ‘premeditated’ are opposites. And what makes you think common law would be applied here, rather than statutory?

          • Greg Thomas

            I do not know if Michigan is a statutory or common law state. Since I have no skin in this game, I have little desire to look it up. My analysis pertains to common law, even though many statues are written in the framework of common law. I did not say that instant = aforethought, but rather malice aforethought can be concocted in an instant. You are free to do your own legal research if you have any doubts.

            A homicide is the killing of one human by another. Murder is the killing of another human being by another, with malice aforethought. As us usually the case, that will be for a jury to decide if this homicide rose to the level of 1st degree murder.

          • Brian

            I like to learn something new every day, and you have provided me with the knowledge for today. Thank you Greg. 😉

          • They call that “hanging paper”.

        • negrolocaust

          it is second degree murder and he first said it was an accident. stop spam commenting false facts. stop commenting.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            Voluntary manslaughter.

          • Svigor

            The accident story doesn’t wash, either. If you “accidentally” shoot someone in the face, you should be charged.

        • bilderbuster

          He was charged with second degree murder.

      • Laura Dilworth

        unfortunately

      • HamletsGhost

        And you seem eager to join in.

        • Blue-eyed Devil

          ???

      • obot

        Stupid move, unless he can convince them that the gun accidentally discharged. Stand Your Ground, Castle Doctrine, and self-defense will not work here.

        • Brutus

          Neither will saying it was an accident. He should not have been pointing a gun at her face with his finger on the trigger if he was not threatened.

          • freddy_hills

            I’ve thought that all along. Trigger control and a safe direction can save a lot of heartache.

    • negrolocaust

      he did stay in the house read story before asinine comment

  • Dave4088

    The D.A. says there is no duty to retreat into one’s home. That is unless the homeowner is white and the presumed assailant is black. I highly doubt Mr. Wafer woke up, gabbed his shotgun and blasted the female black victim although relevant facts will be omitted from the heavily spun news coverage to appear like it was a case of crazy white man and NRA member who recklessly used his gun against a holier than thou black woman.

  • The Final Solution

    “after charges of murder in the second degree, manslaughter and possession of a firearm during a felony were brought against him today” – translation – he was guilty of possessing a firearm in self-defense as a bantu was trying to commit a felony.

    • Sensitivity Training

      White privilege sentencing will make it life in prison.

  • Is what she wearing on her head a weave or a wig?

    Criminy! If I had a hairline receding so far back I would be scheduling an appointment with The Hair Club for Men or Bosley tomorrow.

    • Whitetrashgang

      It seems most black woman have a hairline that starts half way on the top of their head. Why this is, is a good question.

      • Katherine McChesney

        I’ve seen nothing of this and see black women every day. None of the ones who live in my building have receding hairlines. I think you are exaggerating.

        • Whitetrashgang

          Their probably wearing wigs or hats.

  • The Final Solution

    Interesting that she was way past intoxicated but the story tries to pain him as the drunk loser…..

  • Greg Thomas

    Trying to break in and crossing the threshold of a dwelling are two distinct acts which the law recognizes. He should have waited until the later was completed, so there would be no doubts.

    • HamletsGhost

      The problem with the law is that it was written by whites for whites. When dealing with blacks, the usual standards to preserve the life of the innocent fail to work. In this case, she was terminated with extreme prejudice.

      • Blue-eyed Devil

        Imagine if someone killed your daughter like that. How would you feel?

        • Feelings should be irrelevant to the rule of law.

          • Alexandra1973

            I agree. The problem with liberals is they base everything on “feeling” and emotion.

            And I agree with HamletsGhost. Blacks just don’t fit in because of how they are.

          • Svigor

            It’s amazing to me how rare this value is among Americans any more. It’s like I’m the only one who paid attention in Civics class.

        • HamletsGhost

          I’d feel like a failure as a parent that I didn’t teach my daughter to be responsible for her behavior.

        • ThomasER916

          I’d imagine she’ll be better than an obese, drunk, negro lunatic. I feel great knowing this will never be the case.

    • Svigor

      Yeah, and in Detroit, I’d definitely wait until the offender was all the way inside before firing. Definitely not a self-defense-friendly locale. The best self-defense move you can make in Detroit involves U-Haul.

  • Dave4088

    Blacks can act very animalistic when heavily intoxicated and/or under the influence of illicit drugs, so it wouldn’t surprise me if the black female victim was trying to force her way into Mr. Wafer’s home.

    • Sensitivity Training

      Animals never act like blacks. Stop offending animals. I’ll report you to PETA.

    • Greg Thomas

      It wouldn’t suprise me either. Problem is, we will never know because he shot her dead while she was standing on his front porch.

  • Dave4088

    “Today’s three charges follow two weeks of protests in the Detroit area,
    with friends and family of the tragic 19-year-old victim furious Wager
    was free to walk the streets.”

    So black mob rule trumps Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence once again.

  • Dave4088

    Vice President OBiden said that if anyone threatened your domicile to grab a shotgun, step outside on your porch and shoot two times. It sounds like Wafer just followed that sage advice and happened to hit Renisha McBride in the process, so he should be set free.

    • ThomasER916

      Use the Joe Biden defense.

  • Sensitivity Training

    I blame Whitey. He shot a black girl in a district that has a black girl as the DA, and so now he’s prosecuted for defending himself from black Diversity. He brought this on himself for ignorance of the total situation.

  • MekongDelta69

    “Prosecutor Kym Worthy said race was in no way an issue in the decision to press charges…”

    Oh noooooooo – of COURSE NOT.

    These days, if you hold ‘dreaded racist views,’ that’s worse than ANY crime known to man…

    Kym Worthy – she’s black of course. What a shock.

    • Greg Thomas

      What’s that around her neck I wonder.

      • indoctrination_FAIL

        Looks like a collar, doesn’t it? (Insert your own joke here.)

      • Non Humans

        Probably an edible crack necklace.

    • negrolocaust

      when they hate whites so much and they have so much black pride why do they try to look like white woman

    • KingKenton

      These days, if you hold ‘dreaded racist views,’ that’s worse than ANY crime known to man…

      Correct. Anti-racism / Anti-Semitism are the Holy Religion (literally), of Liberalism. It’s secular, but a religion none-the-less. If you are judged to hold views that violate their sacrosanct creeds, it is grounds to deny you justice.

      • ThomasER916

        The latter is still sacred at Amren.

      • Svigor

        I think you meant to write that Anti-racism and anti-anti-Semitism are the Holy Religion of liberalism. It’s an easy mistake to make…

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    Notice how they had to mention the races involved in the headline, but when the perp is black and the victim white, mentions of race are notably absent. Do I detect a pattern here?

  • Dave4088

    Reverse the races and this wouldn’t be a story and the black Mr. Wafer would never have been arrested and probably be hailed as a Samaritan.

    • negrolocaust

      AND the white parents would say they were praying for him and they wanted to visit with him to understand why but of course they forgive him and they would blame their own daughter as well.

  • NorthernWind

    Based on the information available thus far, it does seem like he probably shouldn’t have shot.

    Regardless, the thing we should all really be annoyed about is how the media IMMEDIATELY brought up race because the girl was Black and the homeowner White. When a White woman gets raped, tortured, and murdered by a Black we never hear about race so explicitly. The headline would never be “54-year-old Black charged with rape and murder of 19-year-old White college student returning from work”. NEVER. Whenever the victim is White and the perpetrator Black race is never explicitly stated. The MSM can go to hell.

    • Or: The headline would never be “17-year-old Black charged with rape and murder of 93-year-old White grandmother”.

    • RileyDeWiley

      Nothing I have seen in the press indicates that the shooter knew he was shooting at a black woman. He may have thought he was shooting at a white man. It was 4 AM! How well could he see? How much time did he have?

      • negrolocaust

        plus she had a hoodie on. look at cctv videos most blacks wear hoodies while robbing stores etc. i would have been scared too. this guy will go free. he is innocent.

      • Blue-eyed Devil

        He knew.

    • negrolocaust

      because they are white but they lead the black power movement in this country this as with the z trial are just more black power agit prop . whites have no national leader.

    • Magician

      “White woman gets raped, tortured, and murdered by a Black we never hear about race so explicitly.”

      Most people around me do not know who Eve Carson is

  • Spartacus

    Good.

  • Greg Thomas

    The real injustice here is that the MSM is trumping this up as a White on black crime, where race was the issue. They are yet again trying to stir the pot.

  • kjh64

    I don’t know all the facts but from what I’ve read so far, it does seem like this was totally unjustified. While I’m all for self-defense, some people today are just trigger happy. Just because someone is knocking or banging on your door doesn’t give you the right to shoot them. How about keep your door locked and ask them what they want or tell them to go away. If they don’t, call 911. Shooting is only warranted if they force their way into your house. Of course, if the races were reversed, this wouldn’t be news is the only complaint I have.

    • Alexandra1973

      Me, I’m reserving judgment until ALL the facts are in.

      • kjh64

        That’s a good idea. I’m just saying if she was only shot because she was banging on his door. In my town, a drunken White man was shot by another White man, his friend’s neighbor, after he went over and was banging on the door for some reason. The guy shot through the door and killed him. He didn’t try to break in or anything. I thought that was trigger happy and ridiculous. Call 911 and stay inside your locked house, shooting only if the person forces entry.

      • Marlin B. Newburn

        Me too, Alexandra.

  • Luca

    This initially sounds like involuntary manslaughter. They are over-reaching just as they did with Zimmerman. I would like to know whether he shot through the door or not and whether or not it was an accidental discharge while he was in fear for his life.

    On another note, when I first saw his picture I thought he was mulatto. However with a name like Theodore I guess that clinches it. If he were mulatto it would be TheoLadovious,

    • Brutus

      Dearborn, and the picture, suggested to me that he might be an Arab. But an Arab is less likely than a mulatto to be named Theodore.

  • WASP

    Without knowing all the facts in this case, I have to reserve judgement. However, it appears to me that Mr. Wafer pulled the trigger too fast. If she was banging on his door and acting belligerent, he should have called 911 first and asked for the police to come immediately, that someone was trying to break into his house and he feared for his life. Then he should have had his gun ready to shoot if the assailant broke in on him. When we feel threatened, we often don’t use the best judgement; we’re in survival mode. Mr. Wafer used poor judgement, but I hope it turns out well for him and he doesn’t go to prison. Anyone who has ever had any experience with Blacks would understand his fear.

  • RisingReich

    Another sacred cow DOWN. Oh MAN the real travesty is that a White blew her head off.
    Not like blacks don’t do this to other blacks like 30 times a week or more in Detroit or Chicago.

    • RisingReich

      Just to add here, he probably prevented a major, future horrendous crash taking many lives due to her alcohol consumption and driving habits.

    • Blue-eyed Devil

      This man is going to wish he was dead when the brothers get their hands on him in prison. He’ll be wearing lipstick and running errands for them when he’s not being forced to perform sex acts on them.

  • Nathanwartooth

    Remember, the media tells us over and over that they wont report race unless it pertains to the case.

    But yet even though they said repeatedly that race wasn’t a factor in the article and that his ex girlfriend said he wasn’t racist they still harped on it endlessly.

    Oh and I love the quote about the hoody making her seem more intimidating. Trying to get the Trayvon Martin parallels going. I really hate the media.

    • GOD

      and you can bet it was a White who did the writing.

      • Nathanwartooth

        Self hating white or non white. They all sound the same when writing an article it seems.

        • Svigor

          White-hating libs don’t hate themselves. They hate all the “wrong sort” of whites.

  • Greg Thomas

    When blacks kill Whites, the MSM does insinuate that such actions were based upon racism. In this case, we had the “ex-partner” of the accused go on record to state she did not believe he was a racist.

    The MSM is not a friend of White America.

    • sbuffalonative

      Just look at the headline. White Man Murders Black Girl. Have you ever seen a MSM headline, Black Man Murders White Girl? You will NEVER see that second headline.

      • Blue-eyed Devil

        Semantics.

        • ThomasER916

          You keep reminding me you’re an anti-white racist. Thank you for that.

        • Katherine McChesney

          Racism against Whites.

    • Blue-eyed Devil

      The MSM is 100% Jew-controlled.

    • Blue-eyed Devil

      The MSM is totally controlled by the Jews.

    • A Freespeechzone

      If the incident was the same–with the races reversed, one wonders if the charges would be the same…

      Food for thought….

  • Blue-eyed Devil

    CNN is going to milk this story for all it’s worth. Sharpton, Jesse, and the other black talking heads are going to rant and rave about how this racist cracker killed this honor student and future doctor in cold blood. Eric Holder will make sure he never sees the light of day again.

  • Sensitivity Training

    The temperature is rising, the clock is ticking…

    • Marlin B. Newburn

      Oprah doesn’t like adults. You would have to have to have a sustained adolescence in your personal constitution to hold her position.

  • Seminumerical

    ‘Prosecutors said evidence showed McBride knocked on the locked screen door and that there was no evidence of forced entry. The interior front door was open, and Wafer fired through “the closed and locked screen door,” Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said.’

    • libertarian1234

      Can somebody tell me what kind of evidence is attainable of somebody having knocked on a door?

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    If the homeowner shot through the door he could use the “Biden Defense” — after all, Biden said “[if] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door!”

    his lawyer has said he was in fear for his life…‘There was a lot of banging. It was a lot of noise, and it didn’t sound like just knocking,’ attorney Cheryl Carpenter told Michigan Radio

    Banging on someone’s front door at 4 am is NOT a good idea. Especially if one dressed like a Trayvon: “wearing some kind of jacket” with “the hood pulled up over the head.”

    Anyone who breaks through my door gets an axe to the brain.

    • A guy in Denver shot a perp through his front door about 20 years ago and killed him stone-dead. He also beat the charges.

    • libertarian1234

      The “Biden” defense, Bon. Brilliant.
      I truly think it could be used.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        You did a great job countering the trolls on this thread and wrote a number of very fine comments. I was rushed for time today but I made sure I read your posts.

        How many times were you called a racist and other insulting names? LOL.

        Bravo and I’ll look forward to reading many more of your posts in the future.

        All the best to you.

        Bon

  • MBlanc46

    So he’s the current Zimmerman.

  • indoctrination_FAIL

    Not necessarily. We–including you–do not know all the facts.

    I do know, however, that he does not deserve to live in a world where he has to be placed in this situation by a spectacularly drunk, actual,
    egregious criminal drunk driver (at the very least). Neither do I. But you–not so sure…

    • Sick of it

      I once lived in a complex filled with other young college students who partied late into the night. There was not one incident of someone smacking on my door, or any other, late at night during my entire time at the university.

    • Svigor

      Trayvon’s supporters said much the same – that Trayvon didn’t deserve to live in a world where wannabe cops can question and follow black thugs.

  • Garrett Brown

    Hmmmm, we should wait for all the statistics to come out before jumping to conclusions. Don’t be strictly on the white man’s side simply because he’s white. Although of course she should absolutely not have been knocking on his door at 4 am, he absolutely should not have shot her unless she attempted to harm him. Maybe she was a distraction of some sort, we shall see…

  • Garrett Brown

    That’s very ignorant of you.

  • If I had a loaded shotgun and a groid who was full of everything was weirding out on my porch, I’d punch her ticket right away. No problems.

    On the other hand, we don’t normally open our door at night. We don’t open our door during the day unless someone we know calls to say they are coming.

  • TheCogitator

    I’m no fan of blacks, and I carry all the time. But if all anyone is doing is being drunk and banging on my door, I can’t see the reason to shoot them.

    The proper response would be to call 911 and be ready should the door give way and the person gain entry, that would be the last foolish move of their miserable life.

    This case just gives the gun grabbers ammo to use to take guns from people who have a better sense of when to use them.

    If that gal didn’t break his door down, I’m afraid he’s headed to prison, and I can’t conjure up any sympathy for him.

    • HamletsGhost

      Great job Captain Hindsight. Your armchair quarterback skills have saved the day.

      Wafer was rousted out of his bed at an hour that only criminals consider fit for activity, and you can’t conjure any sympathy for him at all? He’s never been in trouble with the law in his entire life, and now you want to throw him under the bus?

      Let someone wake you up from a deep night slumber, and immediately demand to know the square root of 256. You have five seconds to get it right, and if you don’t you go to prison for life. If you answer too late, you DIE.

      Game on?

      • kjh64

        The “Cogitator” does raise valid points. Yes, if someone is banging on the door in the middle of the night, anyone would be scared. I don’t blame him for taking his shotgun with him. However, IF he shot through the door simply because she was banging on it, that was trigger happy, foolish and wrong regardless of whether the person was White, Black or whatever. He should have just told her to go away and called 911 if she didn’t, using his weapon only if she forced her way in. Trigger happy people do give the gun grabbers ammunition and now he faces charges.

        • HamletsGhost

          21 years ago in Baton Rouge, a young Japanese exchange student was shot and killed when he knocked on the wrong door while looking for a Halloween party. The homeowner was tried and acquitted because, as he testified, the student was acting weird and put him in fear for his and his wife’s life. It was an international news story, with the usual tut-tutting about “violent American gun-culture”.

          That incident was a truly sad and unfortunate accident. Even though the circumstances were less exonerating than this “Renisha” incident. The student was shot in front of a well-lit porch during early evening hours. He had no ill intentions, but cultural differences and a language barrier conspired to create a horrible accident of misunderstanding.

          This stupid black botch was evading police after committing a crime, and presenting herself at a stranger’s house in the wee hours. She was drunk and possiblyy disorderly as well.
          Can’t you see that the homeowner was in a diminished state at the time of the shooting? Who doesn’t suffer from “brain fog” when awakened in the middle of the night? In his crisis circumstances, why wouldn’t he have reason to be fearful?

          While the homeowner in Louisiana was acquitted, he had the advantage of shooting an Asian, so blacks had no dog in that hunt. He was tried by his peers, who deliberated at length before exonerating him.

          Wafer doesn’t have that. His goose is going to be cooked by a jury pool of bitter, stupid, illiterate black bastards who will nail him to the wall. The least I would expect from you is to refrain from the lynch mob howling for his blood.

          • That poor Japanese kid was hyperactive and appeared to be charging a homeowner. He didn’t know, but the shooter didn’t know either. That was a terribly unfortunate case.

          • Svigor

            Baton Rouge ain’t Detroit.

      • TheCogitator

        Shooting is only acceptable when a person fears for his life. Shooting and killing a person who was annoying you is a ticket to a long prison term. That is the law whether you like it or understand it.

        After the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman affair, we know, if we didn’t before, that the rulers are protecting blacks from whites, whether the force was justified or not. If Theodore Wafer had been paying attention, he should have know he would be under scrutiny. Blasting anyone through your front door is not going to pass muster.

        I’d be as annoyed as anyone if a person were banging on my door at 4 in the morning, but I have the brains to know that shooting them will make me the bad guy, and them the victim. That is what doors are for — to keep people out. Had she broken through, he may well have been justified in shooting her, but I still would not rule out an eager prosecutor even questioning that, especially given the order of the races involved.

        Theodore Wafer was wrong. Had it been a drunken white girl banging on a black man’s door at 4 in the morning, would you support him shooting and killing her?

        • If he had shot and killed a thoroughly drunk, drugged-up white girl, I would expect a more convincing explanation. I am a racist after all, and I have had quite enough of groids and greasers bothering white people.

      • I got 16 right away, but it is 9:00 AM here.

        • itdoesnotmatter

          16 is correct. Well done, Mikey.

    • DiversityIsDeath

      My empathy is all with him. Imagine all the stuff that was flashing through his mind when this negro was banging on his door. “Is this one alone? Who else is hiding out of sight? Am I being set up for a violent crime? What the hell is going on here?” What a nightmare for any White person to have an inebriated, out -of-control negro shatter his peace and privacy with their loud, threatening chaos.

      • Svigor

        I empathize with the guy because he’s a white guy who’s probably going to prison for shooting a worthless ‘groid (on the other hand, he reportedly doesn’t have a racist bone in his body, so my empathy only goes so far).

        I can empathize with a guy who I think should, given the law, go to jail for his behavior.

    • Johnny Squire

      Why does Wafer have to wait for McBride to break down his door before shooting her? Isn’t the attempt to break in justification enough? Waiting to take action until the person is actually inside your home is taking an unnecessary risk. Expecting a homeowner alone in his/her house at four AM to assess the danger to them like a seasoned police officer is asking too much of a person. McBride’s death is result of unfortunate circumstances that she created. I don’t see Wafer’s guilt in this unless evidence shows he knew he wasn’t in any danger and he chose to shoot her anyway.

      • TheCogitator

        The laws are what they are. Maybe you and I think it is all right to shoot a person through the door, but the law will not agree with us. Laws do not allow us to kill people willy-hilly. There has to be a damned good reason where other remedies would not work. If you have a gun, you need to be familiar with how the law is going to react to you using a gun.

        There were other options available to Wafer, so the law is not going to be on his side. That is the point I am trying to make. I’d be as annoyed as anyone if a black, or anyone for that matter, were banging on my door at four in the morning, but I have the sense to know that if I smoke ’em for it, I will be in big trouble. Wafer should have known that too. I hope all the readers here will know that so they will not find themselves in his predicament.

        As I understand it, the door was holding the woman out, so the law will not see that Wafer was in danger. That being true, he did not have the LEGAL right to shoot her.

        • MBlanc46

          I don’t know the law in Michigan, but I imagine your account is pretty accurate. It seems to me that the law ought to change.

          • TheCogitator

            That may be, but until the laws are changed, we have to play by them.

          • MBlanc46

            Perhaps we also ought to be doing something to change them.

          • MBlanc46

            Perhaps we ought to be doing something to change them.

      • Sick of it

        Impressive description of a reasonable third person defense.

      • Svigor

        I think common sense says that one should err on the side of caution. And by caution, I mean, the little part of you that says “gee, should I really be risking prison for homicide, here?” I think common sense suggests that erring on the side of caution here means yes, you wait until they’re at least halfway in. All the way in if you’re in Detroit, of all places.

  • IstvanIN

    I hope he is found not guilty of all charges, at the very least I hope one white has the good sense to hold out and hang the jury. His life is ruined regardless of the outcome because of one drunken, drugged out black.

  • HamletsGhost

    Correct. At least Wafer had an excuse for his clouded judgment. What’s Renisha’s?

    • RileyDeWiley

      Negritude and alcohol. So that’s two.

  • HamletsGhost

    How do you know she was searching for help? She walked away from crash witnesses and avoided going to the ambulance that arrived on the scene.

  • DonReynolds

    If someone in a hoodie comes beating on my door at 4am, I am not certain I would ask many questions, especially if they appear to be high on drugs and I cannot tell how many there are. Just picked the wrong house, bub.

  • RileyDeWiley

    Um, this happened in Detroit. You want to see a cop in Detroit, you better be standing over a dead body.

  • negrolocaust

    he said it went off accidently if you READ the story!

    • Brutus

      That means he was pointing a loaded gun at her face, with his finger on the trigger, when he knew that he had no right to fire. He deserves prison for that.

      • freddy_hills

        I’m agreeing with you twice on this thread. I don’t see pointing a loaded gun at someone with your finger on the trigger much differently than driving while intoxicated. If you kill someone while doing either you should get involuntary manslaughter.

      • Svigor

        Agreed. A gun is not a toy and people who “accidentally” shoot people in the face should be in prison.

    • Blue-eyed Devil

      Of course he’s going to say that. Forensics will prove he’s a liar.

  • negrolocaust

    plus she was in a hoodie and POUNDING and yelling like mad at his door. i would be in fear of my life too.

    • bilderbuster

      If he was in fear of his life it will be hard for him to explain why he opened the door. I wasn’t there but I wouldn’t open my door to any stranger at night.

  • RileyDeWiley

    How do you know she was asking for help, or even looking for help?
    How do you know she was knocking on the door, or trying to kick it down?
    How do you know what she said or did when the homeowner opened the door?
    How do you know if the homeowner could see her clearly enough to know that she was female, or young, or unarmed … or black?
    How do you know what she was thinking or doing?
    How do you know what the homeowner was thinking when he pulled the trigger?

    Nobody on the net knows the relevant facts at this point. Nobody.

    • Blue-eyed Devil

      One thing we do know. A young woman is dead and her killer is still breathing.

      • MBlanc46

        We also know that in many cases, one person dead and the killer breathing is the optimal result.

      • ms_anthro

        What breathless, pearl-clutching melodrama. You have a promising career in governmedia propagandizing if this is how you normally write.

  • negrolocaust

    what about the poor guy whos car she smashed into. I DEMAND JUSTICE!

  • negrolocaust

    she WAS trying to break in.

    • Blue-eyed Devil

      Were you there?

      • You keep saying this, so I get to ask what your opinions about warfare are, unless you’ve ever been to one.

        “Were you there?”

        • Blue-eyed Devil

          FYI, Mike, I was in Desert Storm in 1991 while serving in the Army National Guard as a combat medic.

          • A medic. That’s great. Congratulations! Later that same year I was an infantryman in the Croatian National Guard. You got your points in, and we got clobbered with rocket arty. I hope the bugs didn’t bite you too hard and that you didn’t get badly sunburned.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            I don’t deserve any respect for serving my country?

          • You get props for that. You deserve respect for serving your country and you have it here. You did the right thing at the right time.

            That said, you fought a rich man’s war for rich men. I used to vomit something that was heavy, like motor oil and yellow. I felt like I was going to die each time, but I always felt much better afterwards.

            Peace, brother.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            I really appreciate that.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            You deserve no respect for the insulting posts you’ve written on this thread.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            Even though I spent twelve years in the military?

          • Go to a battle and then tell us about it. I pissed my pants in every firefight. You probably got three hot meals every day. Clean clothes. Coffee. Maybe even a shower once in a while.

            REMFs don’t know what it is like, so take your 12 years and ram it and slam it.

      • ThomasER916

        OMG you’re an idiot.

    • Blue-eyed Devil

      She was a woman. That White dude looks like Paul Bunyon. The pussy need a shotgun to deal with a woman?

      • RileyDeWiley

        Did he know he was dealing with a woman?

        • Blue-eyed Devil

          You can’t be serious.

          • RileyDeWiley

            Quite serious. It was 4 AM. If he heard a noise in the dark, and saw a shadow in the shape of a human, he would not have known. Nor would he have known the person’s age, or her race. He might literally have been shooting at a shadow.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            WHY did he have to shoot?

          • RileyDeWiley

            He probably didn’t. It’s hard to see how she posed a real threat to him.

            The relevant question is, “Why did he THINK he had to shoot?”.

            I don’t know the answer to that, and neither does anyone else.

            But the answer usually adduced to that question – “racism” – does not make sense. If you are fixin’ to go n*gger hunting with a shotgun, do you start on your own porch at four in the morning?

          • Who knows? One can’t ever take the bullets and shells back, so does it matter?

            Maybe she actually was just some drunk and stoned black gal who was sobering up after a bad evening and wanted help. He didn’t know that.

            He did shoot, and one can’t take this stuff back.

  • negrolocaust

    this is like the rodney king AGAIN an out of control drugged black putting lives in danger.

  • negrolocaust

    i see there have been a recent rash of black people banging on peoples door at very early hours and getting shot for it. i see a trend developing.

  • Marlin B. Newburn

    An enormous one. A .218 blood alcohol level measured after three and a half hours would indicate a BAL of somewhere between .25 and .30. That’s mega-drunk. The first report I read of this incident said she also had THC in her system so she was obviously doing doobs as well.

    • Your numbers make sense to me; I would guess close to 0.300. A typical adult can metabolize about one drink per hour, give-or-take, depending on the individual and their racial makeup. Asians and Amerinds don’t break down alcohol as quickly.

      Given that this was in Michigan, I’d guess she’d have passed out and died of hypothermia if she hadn’t been shot. That happens to drunks all the time in cold weather.

      • Marlin B. Newburn

        My estimate is from decades of experience reading “breathalyzer” reports, and lengthy interviews with defendants in alcohol-related offenses. In the first hour after arrest, the BAL drops by .05, and then accelerates. The woman was plastered. That means her conduct on the defendant’s porch was bordering on temporary psychosis. Her behavior at that time could have been many different avenues. She could have been aggressive and hostile, passive and numb-compliant, a little child in affect, or a lusty wench. Nobody will know, however, unless the defendant provides a very compelling account.

        As far as the cold weather, it sustains the life of a drunk for a considerable period of time in that it slows metabolism significantly. An intoxicated person laying in the snow will survive several hours even if lightly clothed. Sure enough, however, an extended time in freezing weather will certainly kill a drunk person.

        • While alcohol slows down the metabolism, it also dilates the capillaries, which would accelerate heat loss from the surface of the body.

          • Marlin B. Newburn

            The worst case scenario I’ve ever evaluated was a 38 year old woman who had gotten drunk and passed out on a relative’s lawn — in November. This was in Michigan as well, and suffice to say, it was near freezing on that day.

            She did not regain consciousness for 2 days after being picked up by rescue, and her stomach was pumped. The report said she was covered in frost when medics arrived, and her blood alcohol level was .63, taken in the emergency room. You read that correctly.

            So I wouldn’t look like a buffoon at her up and coming probate court hearing, I interviewed the ER physician, and he validated that number. He said the frost saved her life. Alcohol psychosis set in for its usual run of 2 to 3 days, and afterward, I evaluated her.

            She tested and interviewed as Level I Bi-Polar, and I’m extremely hesitant to use that diagnosis due to its severity and misuse by many practitioners. She has a lifetime of medications ahead of her, and if she gets drunk again she will most likely die. No neurological stop button with the alcohol with this disorder.

            People who measure a BAL of over .15 after each drinking episode almost always harbor a severe psychological malady or neurological deficit. Most of these profiles are personality disorders, and people with certain ones can be extremely dangerous, i.e., Borderline PD.

          • I probably go past 0.150 most evenings, but the next day I’m fine. I just won’t ever drive until the day after I go whole day without it. I’m PTSD all the way out the other side. What am I going to do, die of something? Of course I am, so I don’t worry about it.

            One of my best friends has an ex-wife with Borderline PD, and even I think she’s nuts. Let me rephrase that; she is unhealthy to even be near, a human version of Chernobyl or Fukushima.

          • Marlin B. Newburn

            Due to ethical considerations I can’t comment on your drinking patterns, and besides, it would be mega-rude of me even though you brought it up. As a friendly suggestion here, I’d knock it off right now and in a hurry. A check will eventually come due, and I’m not talking money.

            Borderline PD is extremely difficult to treat for several reasons, and I can’t go into it here due to length. Being married to one is hell on earth by the descriptions spouses, both current and ex, gave during therapy. I no longer take someone with that dx due to the exhaustive nature of the treatment process, and because I’ve done enough of them to finally close the door out of self-preservation.

          • Orcs aren’t afraid of being orcs.

          • Marlin B. Newburn

            She wanted someone to beat up on. Your description is pretty close to someone with BPD. A good book to read on that pathology is
            “I Hate You, Don’t Leave Me.”

            It’s a quick read and very accurate as to the constitution of this type of emotional illness. Borderline people intensely fear being alone or abandoned, but people who become intimate with one of them will feel a near daily emotional and often physical beating.

          • That daily emotional beating was exactly what my friend suffered. He stayed with us in 2006, and was astonished at what living in a relatively normal home was like. We got high-speed internet just so he wouldn’t have to back to Denver very often; he could telecommute.

          • Marlin B. Newburn

            One patient described living with someone with Borderline Personality Disorder. He said it was so emotionally destabilizing every day it was “a daily mind f****”.

            Couldn’t have described it more accurately myself.

          • dd121

            I don’t believe your .63 number. I googled it and several articles said some people will die above .400. At .450 that is almost 100% fatal.

          • Marlin B. Newburn

            Okey doke.

          • It seems unlikely that someone could survive 0.63, but I’ve seen things I never imagined. I wish I could unsee quite a few things.

          • dd121

            Newburn describes special circumstances that could have led to somebody surviving such an alcohol level. Seems unlikely, but an experienced hard alcoholic might have tolerated that amount. Most people will heave before they get close to .4. Several times a year we read of some young college student dying of alcohol poisoning as a result of a first-time binge. They probably had a relatively low amount but I don’t know the number.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            Long time drinker who had developed a high threshold?
            Most seem to do just the opposite, threshold lowers with aging and long term abuse.
            I’ve seen unconscious patients who have engaged in drinking contests present with potentially lethal BALs. Mostly young kids.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            @Marlin: Most BPD patients notoriously do not comply with appropriate behavioral meds, instead manage to stage “reactions” to the proper regimes, manipulate the system for scheduled drugs. It becomes a struggle that controls the therapeutic process.
            My lover, a psychiatrist, quit medicine early, as did I recently. He had long ago stopped accepting BPDs as patients for this very issue.
            He feels BPD is character disorder w/major mood disorder w/undifferentiated schizophrenia. Meds need to approach it as such. Either way, it’s a grim prognosis with a resistive, non-insightful patient.
            Re: the patient with the near lethal BAL; wonder what her core body temp was on E.R. admit.

          • Marlin B. Newburn

            I don’t recall the woman’s core temperature at the time since I was pretty bowled over by her BAL, an area I knew I would be questioned on. And was I ever. The attending physician was kind enough to write a validating note for me that I added to my evaluation. He also said that her case was “somewhat unusual.” I’ve never dealt with one this high before or since so my guess he understated, big-time.

            I should have also mentioned she was in a coma for the first 4 days after rescue people picked her up. Emergency staff pumped her stomach, which the doctor said was part of the reason she didn’t die. After coming out of her coma she was delusional for another 3 days. When I did the evaluation on her she tested with a mild level of aphasia, but that was about it, and this wasn’t permanent. Her psychiatrist put her on quite the potent chemical cocktail, Depakote and Zoloft.

            You’re so right saying the prognosis is grim. People with BPD can exhaust anyone, they’re toxic to live with, and they’re notorious for being med-non-compliant. Good luck.

        • rowingfool

          I agree Marlin. Her behavior could have been all over the map. What was the homeowner to think? Imagine answering your door to pounding at 4:30 a.m. to find someone who is yelling incoherently and acting bizarrely. People fault him for firing through a screened porch, but a screen isn’t much standing between you and danger. If she is like most black women, she’s built heavy enough to be taken for a man. Eye witnesses said that she pulled her hood up over her head after exiting her car. The homeowner could have easily taken her for a black dude and what was he supposed to think, here’s someone banging on his door in the middle of the night wearing a hoodie.

          Blacks are reaping what they have sown. If they don’t want to be shot by decent people then they should quit behaving like savages and they should stop attacking innocent whites while yelling; “Get the cracker!”. It’s their leaders job to instruct them in these things. Instead they encourage them to act out.

          • Marlin B. Newburn

            Nobody will ever know the exact details of that night. We should wait out developing testimony before making a judgement.

            Of course blacks have created a world-wide reputation of themselves, and that is that many of them are extremely dangerous. They’ve succeeded in that area. Most non-blacks now naturally fear blacks, especially when the latter are in groups. Quite the shameful “achievement” by non-black standards.

  • negrolocaust

    read the story or dont comment he said it went off by mistake.

  • negrolocaust

    he is an infiltrator spamming the board.

  • NM156

    Still drunk, he was probably just beginning to sleep off a weekend bender when she clamored up the stairs.

    • libertarian1234

      Or she could have ACTUALLY been trying to break in.

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    “At this stage there is no suggestion Wafer held racist views” < That's never stopped you media race baiters in the past so why let a pesky thing like reality stop you now?

    • libertarian1234

      It’s amazing that a newspaper would even reference whether or not the guy was racist, as if people nowadays….or ever….shot a black simply because he/she was black.
      But this is how blacks think. They’re the dumbest beings on planet earth and the most disruptive.

      • Svigor

        Yeah, it’s pretty nuts. As I wrote above, as a hard-core racist I’m less likely to shoot a black because 1) I know they’ll try to lynch me for my beliefs and 2) I know how badly the media and establishment want to hang Great White Defendants, irrespective of their beliefs.

        I have none of the DWL’s naive belief in the fairness of the justice system.

  • Yale2001

    I do think this was terrible, but have you ever seen a drunk black female (esp. one after an accident or something terrible has happened). They are almost without control. I can only imagine this girl beating hysterically on the window at 4am, probably using profanity and shouting. This probably freaked this half asleep man out. Terrible, but blaming this guy is not the right thing to do.

    • itdoesnotmatter

      Exactly, Yale. Chances are, this woman was totally out of control, crazed. I’ve seen many, many crazed, stoned/drunk blacks and mestizos admitted to the E.R. In some cases, we had to apply leather wrist, ankle, and waist restraints to protect ourselves from their combative, aggressive behavior. Sometimes, even those who did not appear altered chemically, acted out violently.

  • itdoesnotmatter

    Though I think he shouldn’t have shot her because he just ruined his life, I don’t give a flying frig for hers. So sue me.
    At 4 AM? A crazed, drunk, black woman banging on my door? Uh uh. I know how aggressive black women are when straight, let alone crazy, disoriented and drunk, stoned.
    In Darwinian terms, civilized society is improved by her absence from the planet. You can bet she would have dropped multiple welfare dependent “special needs” FAS kids down the line and eventually killed someone while driving drunk and stoned.

    What’s the follow up on the other car? What was she doing for the 3 hours from wreck to getting herself shot?
    Why was her license not suspended? She was a dangerous felon who should never have been behind the wheel. There’s so much more to this Zimmerman-esque story.
    Of course, the loathsome race hustlers are moving in and stirring the pot. Next, BO will step up and say something unstatesmen-like and impolitic for the record, guaranteed to stir the pot even more.
    I feel for the man who acted impulsively. He just trashed his life and for what? An aspiring baby mama, alcoholic druggy who was going nowhere.

    • Svigor

      Though I think he shouldn’t have shot her because he just ruined his life, I don’t give a flying frig for hers. So sue me.

      Agreed. I can’t think of a (plausible) fate worse than going to prison for a long stretch because I had to plant some worthless groid. Just imagine! Talk about a wasted life. That’s why I’m here urging caution; don’t wind up like this guy.

  • Jim Henry

    Regardless of how this case ends, Mr. Wafer can expect one miserable life. If he walks, he will end up like GZ. If incarcerated, he will need to be in protective custody. Either way, he will be in constant fear for his life.

  • Bob

    I feel sorry for this guy. He will surely be the “whipping boy” to quell the outcries of black run America.

  • DiversityIsDeath

    Hell, I would have shot at her too. Blacks need to know it is their own fault people fear them and react the way they do.

  • Here in Colorado, any motorist BAC (blood alcohol content) over 0.050 is “driving while alcohol-impaired”. Anything over 0.080 is a DUI. At 0.170, is is considered “excessive alcohol content”. Excessive alcohol content now carries a mandatory 90 days in county jail and a mandatory one year of reporting probation, along with the usual alcohol classes. I think there are now strict limits on access to trustee work for DUI inmates, so one probably has to do straight time. Too many DUIs get one considered a habitual offender, and that involves two years in state prison. Of course, if one hits and injures someone, all bets are off.

    This gal was thus full-blown EAC, and if Michigan laws are anything like ours, she was in some pretty serious trouble even before she started pounding on doors.

    When I’m inebriated, I’m peaceful. I also know better than to get in the damned car. That said, I’m 47 and this dead idiot was 19. It doesn’t take much to get yourself killed on booze. One of my childhood friends died at age 21; he was drunk and driving his racing motorcycle down Boulder Canyon one September night and missed a turn. He hit the road guardrail and was catapulted out over the stream bed onto dry rocks. He was wearing a helmet and jacket, but it just didn’t matter. I hope it was quick for him; I don’t like to think about him laying there, terribly hurt, with nobody around to help.

    On the other hand, one doesn’t have to get behind the wheel. One of my mother’s neighbors had an ex-husband who decided that booze was more important than the rest of his life, so he drank himself into a divorce, then unemployment and homelessness. He was eventually found frozen to death in a culvert near US-36.

    Booze can be fun in limited amounts, but it certainly isn’t good for you. This brings us to the really important part of the liquor lesson; humans possess free will, but free will necessarily implies responsibility. In other words, if you choose to drink, you are completely responsible for how much alcohol you drink and for what happens to you and other people while you are intoxicated.

    The Cultural Marxists want groids absolved of responsibility. The logical reply to this assiduous demand on their part is that the groids need their rights revoked.

    • Major

      Keep in mind that her alcohol level was measured 3 hours after her last drink and after she got laid out on the guys porch. I’d bet she was drunker than that.

      • libertarian1234

        That’s an excellent point.

  • libertarian1234

    2nd degree murder?

    Hardly.

    A homeowner who shoots a prowler he thought was breaking in qualifies for a 2nd degree murder charge? A charge where it has to be proven he intended to kill the perp in a wanton disregard and exhibited a depraved mind?

    I was mystified as to why the obvious over charge was levied. Then I saw the “prosecutor’s” photo.

    She’s black. Is it necessary to say any more?

    The black prosecutor, the liberal press, and the throngs of black mobs, all are saying the perp was killed because she was black.

    These liars are too evil to exist anywhere but in a village somewhere in the middle of a jungle.

    They’re saying she had an auto accident, rushed from the scene of the crash to the first house she saw and was begging for help and was shot because she was black.

    They conveniently left out the part where she was running around….nobody knows where….for HOURS until she finally began banging on the guy’s door.

    And these are the same kind of irrefutable facts as in the Trayvon case where he was eating candy, minding his own business, then was hunted down and killed by Zimmerman, because he was walking while black.
    Not mentioning, of course, the fact that it was Trayvon who circled back and attacked Zimmerman who shot him as he was trying to beat him to death.
    Are the black morons at their schools going to have a moment of silence for this girl even if the facts show she was truly trying to break and enter after being challenged to stop?
    Of course they will. And the black high school marching band will spell out her name during half-time on their football field.
    These people are the dumbest inhabitants on planet earth and there is NO WAY we can continue to co-exist with them.

  • Blue-eyed Devil

    That’s cold.

  • Blue-eyed Devil

    It saddens me that so many people commenting on this story don’t care that a young woman lost her life. Putting race aside, a man overreacted and took somebody’s life because she was drunk and knocked on his door in the middle of the night. He has to pay for what he did. Justice will be served. Don’t side with him simply because he’s white.

    • Alexandra1973

      Well, I don’t exactly trust the MSM with facts. As I’ve stated in another post, I’m waiting until the MSM fog lifts and more information filters out.

      They tried to make St. Skittles look like an innocent kid with candy and a drink (and it was through people here at AmRen that I learned that those are ingredients for a drug).

      If he had no reason to shoot her, he should be locked up. And there may well be more to the story.

      • Blue-eyed Devil

        I see your point.

      • FransSusan

        I agree. We’re hearing only one side of the story. We haven’t heard from Mr. Wafer.

      • Sick of it

        Indeed, like posting pictures of him from when he was 12 years old…

    • As long as the young person is black or brown, I just don’t give a rip. The wiring under that “care” button is all burned out. Yes, she was young, but lots of young people get karked in stupid accidents and stupid wars. It doesn’t mean anything.

      My own daughter will be allowed wine with dinner here at home when she is 16. The object is to enjoy it with food, rather than getting completely plastered. A Forty after a day of hard work is great, but drinking more than that is not only ridiculous, but counterproductive.

      I will side with him simply because he is white because I was given the right to make my own choices in life. I was also trained primarily as an engineer and not as a scientist, so I am willing to accept imperfect results, so long as they work in the real world. Blacks commit most of the violent crime in the United States, so he was justified in being alarmed at 04:00.

      • Blue-eyed Devil

        Just remember that not all blacks sided with O.J. Simpson when he murdered two white people. Most did, but not all. I’m a race realist. I am not a racist. Some of these posters seem to be racist IMHO. I wasn’t there but my gut feeling is that this man executed this poor girl. It saddens me.

        • I looked into my heart of hearts and still just don’t care. My wife is Japanese from a famous Imperial Navy family, so there are very obvious limits to my racism. If “some blacks” are OK, they usually behave that way in the company of whites.

          Rodney Thurmund thought cutting in the chow-hall line in federal prison in front of me was a good idea. Instead of throwing him down the stairs past other inmates, I pitched him over the railing. I’m an engineer, after all.

          I wasn’t in federal prison for being a nice guy.

          • FransSusan

            Interesting.

        • libertarian1234

          “Just remember that not all blacks sided with O.J. Simpson when he murdered two white people.”

          And none of them condemned him for it.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            Steve Harvey did at the Apollo in Harlem. I saw it on T.V.

        • Dave4088

          You’re right! Only 98% of blacks sided with the juice man.

      • MBlanc46

        I’m perhaps not quite as jaded as you seem to be, MCS, but black behavior has me so worn down that I find it hard to dredge up much sympathy for a person who seems to merely have been an idiot (rather than a violent thug like St. Trayvon).

    • libertarian1234

      “He has to pay for what he did. ”

      Since there’s probably a wealth of facts that will be coming out on this, doesn’t it bother you that you’re ready to condemn this guy on the basis of what a black prosecutor claims and mobs of blacks?

      Doesn’t it seem odd to you that the black prosecutor is claiming the shooter opened the door, then shut it, afterwhich he shot her after observing she was black?

      Only a mentally challenged black would expect somebody to believe that, just as they expected people to believe that “Trayvon was hunted down and shot like a dog,” in spite of the fact that the overwhelming evidence proved he was shot because he circled back, feloniously assaulted Zimmerman by trying to beat him to death, forcing Zimmerman to shoot him or die.

      Now, literally HOURS after she crashed her vehicle they’re maintaining that she crashed her vehicle, ran to the shooter’s house begged for help, but he shot her because she was black.

      This is Trayvon Martin all over again and I’m pretty sure we’re going to find out that not only did the press exaggerate, falsify and omit, the black throngs are out to simply persecute whitey for anything they can, especially the black AA prosecutor who probably couldn’t understand the situation if someone took hours to explain, because she’s full of hate and stupid as well.

      Integration was a horrible mistake and it has proven to be a total failure, just as Angela Merkel announced that multiculturalism was an abysmal failure for Germany.

      • Blue-eyed Devil

        I understand what you’re saying and appreciate your point of view. I’m a White Nationalist and have a serious problem with blacks in general. I’m just going by what I read about the case. It seems he overreacted and took this young woman’s life for no reason. We Whites are supposed to be civilized people. We can’t automatically support this Wafer character just because he’s White. What kind of message does that send?

        • libertarian1234

          “We can’t automatically support this Wafer character just because he’s White. What kind of message does that send?”

          It tells the blacks we intend to win at any cost and that we are unified as a race against the deadly black threat.

          It also tells us that you’re not a white nationalist at all but part of the pink brigade of trolls who think bringing in the rainbow utopia will assure homosexuality will be regarded as “just another lifestyle,”and that your childish attempts at trying to do undercover work pretending to be what you’re not is humorous.

          And we realize that when racial conflict begins, as it will not long after the debt to GDP ratio gets a little higher, and the feds can no longer do any kind of quantitative easing, causing interests rates to sky rocket, ushering in uncontrollable inflation, your rainbow utopia will cease to exist right after the first shot is fired.

          Maybe you could follow your brothers to Africa or one of two states we might give Calypso Louie and what is left of the black hordes when the smoke clears.

          But I wouldn’t advise it. They really hate your “lifestyle.”

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            I support gay rights and I believe we’re all equal in the eyes of God. You’re a mean-spirited racist and sound homophobic. I despise people like you. You should be ashamed of yourself.

          • ms_anthro

            There’s no way you’re male. No way at all. You sound like some old-timey temperance nag with a quavering voice, a sour face, and bad breath.

            Here’s a friendly tip: we don’t require your permission nor your approval to unite in defense of our own kind. Calling us names won’t change our minds, and it won’t stop us from continuing to have wrongthoughts and speak hatefacts about race and the continued degradation and attempted destruction of our culture. Deal with it, nancy.

            No one knows what really happened that night except Wafer himself, and we haven’t heard his side of the story yet. Your shaming tactics are womanish and silly and they won’t work here.

          • You’re still slinging names around: “mean spirited” and “racist”. This is American Renaissance. It isn’t Happy Love Fest. We are real adults and talk about adult issues here. I’m a convicted federal felon and ex-mercenary on the Terrorist Watch List. We’re not Dana Plato banging Todd Bridges off-scene.

            My mother read some of the English translations of battle reports about me. We always fought to the death. The Chetniks always tortured and murdered their prisoners. Mom tries to understand, but she can’t watch war movies anymore.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            The closest you ever came to going to war was a paintball fight I bet.

          • Even my FBI file says “ex-mercenary”.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Your consistent expression of the same trite remarks over and over again really do well to show you dumb you really are.

            If you are ever to leave, you won’t be missed.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            I’m a left-winger and a liberal and I will fight for the rights of oppressed minorities until the day I die. You people are mean-spirited racists.

          • Alexandra1973

            The rights gay people have are enumerated in the Constitution.

            I would agree we’re all equal in the eyes of God–all sinners in need of a Saviour. Homosexuality is one of those sins.

          • My sin was wrath. It still is, and I have learned a little patience. All I have to do is wait. A mortal sin is one that will take over your life and eventually destroy it.

            I sometimes look people up online, and one of my old (white) enemies in the Denver County Jail from 2001 is going back for another four years. Drugs again.

            I forgave him because it is proper to eventually do so. I am writing a nice letter for him, because he has gone back. Probably drugs again. At the age of 53, he ought to cut that out.

            Forgiveness is a gift for the forgiver. I’m only a light-grey orc, after all.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            Here we go again with Scott’s prison fantasies. You probably got on your knees and sucked d**k for a pack of smokes.

          • I was given cigarettes for free because I helped a bunch of guys with their GED work. My file says I taught a guy to read. It isn’t so; I merely brought him from “Tip & Mitten” to “Aviation Week & Space Technology.”

    • Andy

      I’m waiting to hear what he’s got to say about what happened. If all she was doing was knocking at the door, you are correct.

      • Blue-eyed Devil

        Wafer is a killer. He’s going away for a long time. The blacks can hardly wait for him to arrive.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          Same thing was said about Zimmerman. Case hasn’t even been tried but YOU are ready to convict and lynch Mr. Wade simply from what you’ve heard from the anti-White media and 80-IQ blacks who don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.

          Good job.

    • MBlanc46

      I’m not terribly confident that justice will be served. We’ll never know her side of the story, and it’s likely that people who weren’t there will wind up deciding whether he was or was not in fear for his safety.

    • Dave4088

      It sounds like you are an afro-merican. Would you feel the same way if a drunk and stoned white girl was banging on the door of a black man’s home and he shot her?

      • Blue-eyed Devil

        Under the same set of circumstances, I would feel the same way. I don’t expect you to believe me but it’s the truth. And no, I’m not black.

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      I care as much as the media does when a white loses his life to a black. IWO, nothing to see here, cover up and ignore because THEY consider white lives worthless.
      Why should I care when blacks don’t give a damn about MY people.

  • Alexandra1973

    I’m just waiting until the lamestream media fog lifts and we figure out what REALLY happened…like with George Zimmerman. Information will filter out. You know right well the media wants to harp on “mean white people are always trying to keep da black folk down” when it’s not the case at all.

    If he had no good reason to shoot her, he should be in jail. But I’m all to aware of the MSM’s lies, coverups, and twisting of information to believe it.

  • Budd Smith

    God forbid I’m ever in such a situation. With my “racist” views I’d be doomed.

    • Blue-eyed Devil

      You are filled with hate. I will pray for you.

      • You are also filled with something, but you seem a bit wishy-washy on subjects that should be important. I don’t believe in anything as silly as a “god” who wants our prayer and saccharine adoration. Every honest day of good work suffices as “prayer” for me.

    • When a man is in danger, if he can keep up his courage, luck will usually see him through. Calm, cold wits have helped me get out of some serious jams.

  • MartelC

    White male, black woman. He’s guilty before he fired a shot. This case just has a convenient ‘law’ they can charge him with.

    Soon, the global/left elite will do away with that.

  • Steven Bannister

    I agree, this was an unwarrented shooting. First off, he did NOT have to open his door! He could have simply called the 911 and said “there is a woman knocking on my door and screaming” If you don’t open the damn door, they your life won’t “be in imminent danger” now will it…

    If the situation had been reversed and a black guy shot a white woman asking for help, I think we’d see a much different response on this board.

    • Anon

      Do you honestly think that actually happened? Of course not. Yeah sure, there is always that one psychopath…..but, realistically no.

      It’s a lie.

      In reality, the color of a person’s skin is an extremely reliable way of telling a murderer from a non-murderer. A black person ringing your doorbell at 4 am…..you better understand that’s a murderer. As in, you may disagree homeslice….and you are about to be murdered for your stupidity. White person….ummm, no. That’s just the way it is.

    • Svigor

      Yeah, I’m having a hard time coming up with an excuse for shooting some drunk woman in the face with a shotgun instead of just closing the door and calling 911.

  • rowingfool

    I think there’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying and have noticed the same thing. Whether they’ve picked up this bad behavior because they haven’t been punished for it in the past or whether it is instinctual is unclear. You only have to watch some of the youtube videos of fights between black women and whatever poor wretch gets between them and what they feel entitled to, to sympathize with their victims and lose any sympathy for them. They are walking, emotional time bombs and you never know what will set them off so most whites, wishing to avoid confrontation, relent and give them what they want. This only reinforces their brutishness.

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    Man that bottom lip on her is ENORMOUS! And my my, look at that beautiful straight hair, quite the looker eh fellas? Has anyone here ever seen any of the Youtube videos put out by a black guy named Tommy Sotomayor? His videos are hysterical cause he absolutely Hates black women with a serious passion. He calls them “Hair Hatted Hooligans”, for obvious reasons. ( Which I Think Is A Very Insightful Description ) And he constantly says that if it wasn’t for the weaves and wigs they strap, tie or glue to their Bantu head fibers. Most people wouldn’t be able to tell a female groidian from a male groidian, and he’s absolutely right.

    There’s a very good reason why black girls receive the least reply’s of all races on those “Match Makers” online dating websites out there. If a black female were to cover her white woman weave / wig by wearing a hoodie. It would be extremely hard to tell the difference between her wearing a hoodie and Trayvon Martin wearing a hoodie. And even when the hoodie is down they unfortunately, still look like Trayvon Martin, only now wearing a wig. So given the fact that this girl was wearing a hoodie, covered in blood at 4 in the morning pounding on his door. It’s quite likely that he didn’t even know that she was, well, a she. And we all know that having a hooded, blood covered son of Barry Obama pounding on your door at 4 in the morning, is never a harbinger of good things to come. Free Theodore Wafer!

    • John R

      Blacks are just ugly. Period. Down inside, even THEY know this. Not trying to be mean, just honest. And yes, I saw those videos on Youtube, just for giggles.

  • MartelC

    Theodore Wafer, 54, blasted Ms McBride in the head with a shotgun after she knocked on his door in the predominantly white area of Dearborn Heights, Michigan, following a car crash.

    Gosh, no biased reporting there.

    • Alexandra1973

      The irony is, she would have been safer in Dearborn Heights than in Detroit.

    • LIBERTYSINCURSION

      Yup, bias bias bias. As you can see, the story is told through her eyes and doesn’t even mention what he said happened. Other than to say that he told police he accidentally pulled the trigger. And even that was only done in an effort to attack his credibility. You know, we’re constantly told that the media is bias against blacks and paints black people in a negative light. When anyone with even a trace of honesty remaining within their character. Can see that, in fact, the exact opposite is true. Today’s media, and pretty much all of today’s society for that matter. Do everything they can to make black America look far saner than what they actually are.

      The problem for them is the fact that black America it’s self, routinely leaps through the propaganda. Shattering the carefully homed image with their ceaseless, never ending TNB shenanigans. Best of all however is the fact that these blacks either don’t appreciate, or don’t even realize what these media people constantly do for them. To the point where they even blame these very people who are doing journalistic gymnastics to portray them in the best light, for giving them a bad image.

  • Mmmmm propaganda.

    1 am car accident. 6 am knocks at door and gets shot while asking for help. A blood alcohol level of 0.218%, well above the state’s drink-driving limit and marijuana in her system.

    • Andy

      The article says 4 a.m., but yeah, there’s definitely a gap.

  • libertarian1234

    “This case was some guy making a bad choice to open his door when he should have stayed inside and either waited for the police or (if it got to that) waited for the home invader to break down the door.”

    That could well be what happened. Do you know that he did not?

    After all the lies, exaggerations and denial of facts by black mobs, on probably two dozen national, high profile cases, are you ready to believe that this man opened his door and then shot this black……..all on the basis of what these proven liars are claiming?

    • Svigor

      You know what just struck me as a plausible explanation for all of this? The guy’s an @$$hole. Bad tempered drunk. Just the sort of guy who’d get a kick out of pointing a shotgun at the head of the annoying, maybe even belligerent drunk who just rousted him out of a warm bed (where he was sleeping through his hangover). Just the sort of guy who’d get a kick out of having his finger on the trigger. Then it went off…

      …and his lawyer cooked up the self-defense thing because it’s a much more viable defense than “oops.”

      Just sayin’, it sounds plausible to me.

  • FransSusan

    I’d bet that there’s much more to this story than what we’re reading here. We haven’t heard Wafer’s side. But based on what we’ve read, I agree that it seems he’s in big trouble. Too bad that instead of shooting he didn’t call the cops. It remains to be seen what exactly she did that made him fear for his life

  • Major

    So…she has a wreck in a quiet neighborhood at around 1AM….and no one calls the cops? Oops….I forgot….Detroit, right?

    • libertarian1234

      Yes, and no one called the cops for hours after.

      And if it was help she wanted, why didn’t she request it from the witnesses to her actions after the crash?

      Anon above gives better likely scenarios than the one in this news story and the black mobs and prosecutor.

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      “She” ran away when the ambulance arrived. Why. Where was she for the approximately 2 hours before she arrived at Mr. Wafer’s house?

  • Whitetrashgang

    Yes blacks have no decorum, they don’t get basic civilization and only act it out because they have to.

  • MBlanc46

    Whatever her intentions, it’s by no means impossible that her behavior put Mr. Wafer in fear of his safety.

    • libertarian1234

      That’s certainly true.

      She could have also been part of a home invasion gang that was disrupted because of the accident, then regrouped three hours later when she trespassed on the homeowner’s property.

      Why mess around for THREE HOURS before going up to a house….unless of course she was regrouping.?

  • His “intent” does not matter. He was in his own home, and she was not.

  • Anon

    OK….does anyone believe this at all.

    A much more likely scenario. Wafer, after much experience with violence and crime where he lived, wisely kept a shotgun handy. He was awakened at 4am by the smashing sound of someone attempting to batter down his door. Like any normal person, he assumed he was about to be murdered by a gang during a home invasion and positioned himself with his shotgun behind the door. After screaming repeatedly about being armed and after calling the police frantically, the door finally gave way and Wafer discharge his gun to stop whomever was storming his home.

    An blindly drunk and completely high violent McBride for reasons known only to herself, had randomly chosen his house and kicked the door down, ignoring all of Wafer’s warnings. Why? Why not.

    An even more likely scenario. McBride came there with several armed accomplices intending a home invasion and murder. Not being fooled, Wafer refused to open the door and they battered down the door. After taking McBride took a shotgun blast to the face, her accomplices scattered. Everyone in the neighborhood knows the truth but wants to put a white devil in jail. Eventually, the truth will come out as one of her accomplices can’t keep from bragging about it and local video footage from a gas station shows them all getting ready and heading over to Wafer’s house. One of the five or more accomplices will testify against the others in exchange for immunity.

    Of course, none of that will be covered in the news.

    • libertarian1234

      Both scenarios you gave are more logical than the one coming from the anti-white black prosecutor and the black mobs.

  • Anon

    Ummm….if you come to my house at 4am, drunk and high, yes, in fact, you should expect to be shot.

    Cuz’ that is what is going to happen.

  • It doesn’t matter whether she meant any harm. Blacks have deliberately tried to instill in civilized people a climate of fear. To the extent they have succeeded, they should not be allowed to complain about the results.

    • Garrett Brown

      It doesn’t matter if you’re scared of a black teenager, you still don’t shoot them just because they knocked on your door.

      • ThomasER916

        It doesn’t matter if you’re summoning a legion Straw Men posturing “fear” or screaming racism 24/7.

        A criminal’s career was ended too soon. You’re just mad because she had an early retirement.

      • libertarian1234

        Did she knock on the door, Garrett?

        How many times?

        Did she shout out anything about needing help?

        Witnesses say her hood was up. Why was she wearing a hood?

        Could she be easily recognized as a woman. Most can’t.

        How many people have been the victims in the Detroit area of home invasions where the inhabitants have been raped, beaten and/or killed?

        I’m betting they wished they had the option of shooting before the perps came crashing in.

        • Garrett Brown

          Even if she didn’t knock on the door, ask for help, cry, get on her knees, was injured, was delirious, was drunk, was high, on and on, he still shouldn’t have shot her.

          This is a totally different situation than what we usually see in Detroit suburbs. There is no indication that she was trying to rob him or do him harm. He overreacted.

          • libertarian1234

            “This is a totally different situation than what we usually see in Detroit suburbs. There is no indication that she was trying to rob him or do him harm. He overreacted.”

            How do you know what happened or what she did or didn’t do or that he overreacted?

            All you know is what the blacks are saying.

          • Garrett Brown

            I don’t, which is why I said there is no indication. You seem to be severely lacking in reading comprehension.

        • Blue-eyed Devil

          You’re a racist. I’m going to pray for you.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          A ruse I’ve read about is to send the woman to the front porch to knock on the front door while the men wait around the corner or even go around to the back. The woman asks for help (car broke down, needs to use phone, etc. the poor pitiful me act). The homeowner is caught off guard for a second while the men rush forward, enter the home and then open the back door for their comrades. Many homeowners do not survive these attacks.

          Letting your guard down for even a second may cost you your life.

          One good thing about this case: Blacks will get the message that we are sick and tired of being attacked, assaulted, car-jacked, having our homes invaded, raped, tortured and murdered. We are going to fight back in any every way possible even if brain-dead morons like Blue-eyed devil call us racists for defending ourselves.

      • The last time someone pounded on my door, it was people pretending to be police. I am forever disallowed firearms, but my wife and I loaded the electromagnetic coilgun I had made and got the HPG for it running. Sayaka slapped my helmet to tell me it was good to go.

        I had it aimed through the floor at the front door, but nobody came in.

        I didn’t fire precisely because they walked away. Even if they’d been cops, they’d have all been dead, but only if they had broken in.

        • Garrett Brown

          That’s a cool story, but thanks for proving my point.

          Unless someone is trying to break in you have no right to shoot them.

          • Unless someone is breaking in, you have no obligation to shoot them.

            I fixed it for you.

            Self-defense is always a right, but at home with a family it is an absolute duty.

            If they had been real police, they could have sent me a letter and asked me to come to the station. Since I haven’t done anything in 13-14 years, I’d have gone. Real police also know that getting killed for a living is not a great career plan, so they usually do these things in a responsible, professional manner. Back in 2000, the FBI called me to drive to their office and self-surrender, so I did. No real cops have any intention of kicking down my door.

          • Garrett Brown

            No, you must not be familiar with Michigan laws. Unless someone IS breaking in you have no right to shoot them.

            “Self-defense is always a right, but at home with a family it is an absolute duty.”

            Ah, agreed. But he wasn’t defending himself, because she wasn’t trying to harm him. So that makes that point kind of moot. He also was in the house by himself, so no family to “protect”.

          • Nobody knows that.

          • Garrett Brown

            A forensic team knows. That’s what they’re reporting.

        • Alexandra1973

          I have to throw in here…if you did your time, you shouldn’t have your gun rights taken away. Seems to me you’re still being punished.

          • For the rest of my life. I have some BB guns and good combat flight simulators, but I loved handloading ammo and shooting. Maybe someday. I would get at least five more years and maybe life if I had firearms. I have a family, so I have to leave that stuff alone. It hurts bad, not being allowed my favorite hobby, but there are other things I can do.

    • MBlanc46

      Well said.

  • Funruffian

    He overreacted. If she was brandishing a weapon there is definitely just cause for him to shoot, but she wasn’t.

    • Severely messed up as she was, who knows what she said?

      The groids want life without consequences because Dey Gots Ta Be Haben Dat, Gnome Sayin?

      I hope there are more of these; lock and load, boys!

    • libertarian1234

      Who can say if he over reacted when everything is being based on what a black prosecutor and mobs of white-hating blacks are saying?

      They said Trayvon was “hunted down and killed, simply for walking while black,”
      when the fact of the matter is that he committed a felonious assault, because he didn’t like someone looking at him, and he tried to kill him and was shot for it.

  • CharlesFinley

    Who’s “we”, suckah?

    It’s one less big-lipped beast out there churning out bantu babies.

  • ThomasER916

    You really are stupid. No seriously, you’re so indoctrinated you’re actually stupid.

  • ThomasER916

    This is typical Negro behavior when they’re sober. Just recently a negress was speeding and refused to pull over. Then, she was acting belligerent and resisted arrest. Her gets out and physically attacks the cop. The police cause no harm because both the negress and her son get back in the minivan and speed away.

    What happened after that? Blacks are screaming racism because one cop shot the tires on the minivan.

    This is the typical, histrionic Negro.

  • BaronBaal

    Just another reason to never buy a Ford…

  • freddy_hills

    Drunk and high are irrelevant. A middle aged man shot a young woman through a screen door. Trying to justify that makes someone look ridiculous. Maybe it was an accident and maybe it wasn’t. But the scared for his life claim is ridiculous. If he was scared he could shut the door and call 911. To be honest, his best defense would be if he was drunk or sleepy and simply fumbled the trigger in the dark. Accidents happen but he may be looking at involuntary manslaughter.

    • ThomasER916

      Not hard at all. “Trespassers will be shot.”

      • freddy_hills

        You’ve been watching too many movies. If you try to claim that in court you’ll go to prison for murder.

        • ThomasER916

          Not in Texas. In Texas a trick-or-treater was shot and killed for trespassing.

          Now you can go cry in your Obama pillow.

          • freddy_hills

            Do you live in Texas? Because I don’t and neither does he. He’s going to prison.

          • ThomasER916

            In 1992 a Japanese young man was shot and killed on Halloween for trespassing. Acquitted in Louisiana.

            Still crying? Sounds like it. Sounds like you’re a typical Libby who screams racism 24/7 while hating whitey. All they have to do is pick an all white Jury and he’ll get off with a wrist slap. Why? They live around blacks and won’t ignore the evidence, nor the criminal record.

          • freddy_hills

            This didn’t happen in Louisiana, either. It only takes one juror to acquit. But there won’t be one.

            By the way, your calling me a “Libby” is ridiculous. I’ve been posting on Amren for years.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Bernie Goetz too. New York couldn’t get a grand jury to indict him on murder charges, only on unlawful possession of a gun.
            Bernie is a A True American Hero who set an example for all of us.

          • libertarian1234

            He is indeed.
            It took REAL courage to do what he did.

          • libertarian1234

            What will he be convicted of, and how much time will he get?

            Will the fact that the black mobs and the prosecutor claimed the guy opened his door and upon seeing it was a black he shot her, then closed the door, have any bearing on the case?

            Will the second degree murder charges stand, since a depraved mind and wanton disregard for human life have to be proven?”

          • freddy_hills

            Prosecutors frequently overcharge because it makes a lesser charge seem more likely by comparison. I doubt he’ll be convicted of 2nd degree murder. But he’ll be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. Involuntary manslaughter stems from a lack of intention to cause death but involving an intentional, or negligent, act leading to death. A drunk driving-related death is typically involuntary manslaughter. Even if the shooting was an accident, pointing a gun at someone with finger on the trigger is reckless and gross negligence. It’s just as much an act of manslaughter as causing a fatal accident while driving intoxicated.

          • libertarian1234

            “Even if the shooting was an accident, pointing a gun at someone with finger on the trigger is reckless and gross negligence.”

            Not if the perp was out to do you harm or give the impression they were a threat.

            Better take your own advice freddy, and wait for the facts to come in.

          • Garrett Brown

            Contradiction? You don’t know the facts either.

          • libertarian1234

            “Contradiction? You don’t know the facts either.”
            How utterly dumb.
            Who said I did?

          • freddy_hills

            I doubt he’ll be convicted of 2nd degree murder. He’ll be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. That’s the same charge he’d be convicted of if he’d killed someone while driving intoxicated. I don’t see much difference between getting behind the wheel drunk and pointing a gun at an unarmed person with finger on the trigger. They’re both reckless, gross negligence and an accident waiting to happen.

            I couldn’t tell you how many years he’ll get. My guess is 3 to 5 with parole after half. He’ll probably do between 18 months and 2 years.

          • libertarian1234

            “I doubt he’ll be convicted of 2nd degree murder. He’ll be convicted of involuntary manslaughter.”

            Are you the same guy who admonished everybody to wait until the facts come in before coming to any kind of conclusion?

            Now you’re telling us he’s going to be convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

            Doesn’t your obvious hypocrisy bother you, since you lose any kind of credibility when you engage in it?

            “I couldn’t tell you how many years he’ll get. My guess is 3 to 5 with parole after half. He’ll probably do between 18 months and 2 years.”

            And all this is based on your objectiveness, because you don’t like to see others reach conclusions until the facts are all in, eh?

          • freddy_hills

            Are you the same guy who admonished everybody to wait until the facts come in before coming to any kind of conclusion?

            Yep

            Now you’re telling us he’s going to be convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

            Yep

            Doesn’t your obvious hypocrisy bother you, since you lose any kind of credibility when you engage in it?

            Nope. He either shot her on purpose or by accident. He claims it was accidental. Either she did something to cause the accident (like bump into him or grab the barrel) or he did it all by himself. It’s unlikely she bumped into him or grabbed the barrel through a CLOSED screen door. That means the accident was on him. That means he was pointing the gun at her with his finger on the trigger. Based on his own admission and the hole he blew through the screen door there is no way he can walk away with less than involuntary manslaughter. The reason you should wait for more facts is because… you’re wrong.

            And all this is based on your objectiveness, because you don’t like to see others reach conclusions until the facts are all in, eh?

            No. It’s a guess based on the typical sentence for involuntary manslaughter. If you didn’t want my opinion you shouldn’t have asked.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            That’s what “everyone” said about Bernard Goetz and George Zimmerman too and it didn’t happen, did it?

            But why let facts, reason and logic get in your way. Better to listen to the black race hustlers, CNN and 80-IQ blacks who wish to lynch this guy because he’s white.

          • freddy_hills

            Goetz’s shooting several men who cornered him on a subway car with sharpened screwdrivers is completely different from Wafer’s shooting an unarmed drunk woman who knocked on his door.

          • libertarian1234

            “Goetz’s shooting several men who cornered him on a subway car with sharpened screwdrivers is completely different from Wafer’s shooting an unarmed drunk woman who knocked on his door.”

            It all depends on the circumstances surrounding the shooting. That’s something you can’t seem to comprehend.

            You’ve shown your lack of objectivity by assuming this is a cut and dried case of manslaughter before all the evidence is in by repeating the mantra that just because he shot her he’s guilty of something, when there could well be exceptions to that.

          • freddy_hills

            He admitted to accidentally shooting an unarmed woman through a screen door. His admission that it was an “accident” kind of puts the kabosh on there being exceptions.

        • ThomasER916

          I love how morons like you blather about “movies” as if you made some glorious point – then reality sets in. Not everyone is a d!ckless Libtard.

          • freddy_hills

            Insulting someone over the internet? LOL

          • freddy_hills

            Insulting someone over the internet? LOL

          • freddy_hills

            Listen to that language! LOL

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again.

    • libertarian1234

      Drunk and high ARE NOT irrelevant, especially if you’re going to place the onus on the homeowner by saying his best defense would be if he was drunk or sleepy and simply fumbled the trigger in the dark. You’re saying he holds SOME responsibility if her were drunk, but not the perp who was creating a disturbance.
      With all the home invasions going on in that area, and all the crime and violence, a person being suspicious that he was likely under some kind of attack is understandable. There’s FAR more to this than the black lies from the black prosecutor and the black mobs. What they’re claiming is just as much nonsense here as in other cases, like Zimmerman and the Duke La Crosse players.

      It could well be what this woman did constituted action suspicious enough for a home owner to think she was a home invader, because she was drunk and high, which is probably going to turn out to be the case.

      Placing the onus on the shooter in a situation that was initiated by someone that was not in her right mind and caused the incident to occur obviously because of her actions is a bit misguided.

      • freddy_hills

        What they’re claiming is just as much nonsense here as in other cases, like Zimmerman and the Duke La Crosse players.

        This is NOTHING like Zimmerman or Duke LaCrosse.

        Placing the onus on the shooter in a situation that was initiated by
        someone that was not in her right mind and caused the incident to occur
        obviously because of her actions is a bit misguided.

        Do you think homeowners have the right to shoot any drunk person who knocks on their door?

        • libertarian1234

          “This is NOTHING like Zimmerman or Duke LaCrosse.”

          The black response, lies, exaggerations and blind calls for death to whitey are EXACTLY like the Martin case.

          “Do you think homeowners have the right to shoot any drunk person who knocks on their door?”

          Don’t you understand that you’ve been carrying on about waiting to see what the facts are out of one side of your mouth, then taking a position that the guy is guilty out of the other side based on an obviously biased news account, which is based on lying lamentations from the black throngs who would be saying the same things if a video showing this black creep attacked the homeowner.

          • freddy_hills

            The homeowner ADMITTED shooting an unarmed woman by ACCIDENT through a CLOSED screen door. There’s no way he could have done that unless his finger was on the trigger and the barrel was pointed at her. That’s reckless and gross negligence. So he’s already CONFESSED to involuntary manslaughter. There’s no way he’s getting off with less than that. Though I’ll certainly wait for more facts before upgrading my opinion to 2nd degree murder.

            There are good cases and there are bad cases. This is a bad case. It’s better to punt than fight a losing battle and look like fools. The guy was wrong. Let him take his 2 years in the slam.

          • libertarian1234

            “It’s better to punt than fight a losing battle and look like fools.”

            If anybody on here looks like a fool it is you and a couple of others who are chanting some mantra about what a shame it is this guy killed a young girl “just because she knocked on his door,” and you don’t even know if that was the case or not.

            Other possibilities raised are taken by you as “defending this perp” when you know he should get at least convicted of manslaughter, yet you refuse to concede that there might be other possibilities.

            You not only look foolish you’re an absolute embarrassment.

          • freddy_hills

            He admitted to accidentally shooting an unarmed woman through a screen door. His admission that it was an “accident” kind of puts the kabosh on there being “other possibilities”.

      • freddy_hills

        Drunk and high ARE NOT irrelevant

        So you think shooting a sober person who knocks on your door in the middle night is wrong but it’s ok to shoot that same person if they’re drunk?

        Drunk or not, there’s no way to justify shooting an unarmed person through a screen door. There’s no way you’d agree to that if the races were reversed. And that’s why you shouldn’t say it now. Because blacks have a much higher crime rate. And at some point the races WILL be reversed. And for the next 100 years every black woman on the jury will let black criminals off by saying, “Remember Renisha!”

        • libertarian1234

          “So you think shooting a sober person who knocks on your door in the middle night is wrong but it’s ok to shoot that same person if they’re drunk?”

          Hahahahahaha!

          No wonder you’re confused. You can’t understand very much.

          “Drunk or not, there’s no way to justify shooting an unarmed person through a screen door. There’s no way you’d agree to that if the races were reversed.”

          Well, well, Mr. Objective isn’t so objective after all, is he? For somebody that admonishes everybody to wait until the facts are known you seem to have made up your mind already.

          I think it’s o.k. to shoot a black ANYTIME he/she looks as if they’re going to cause problems.

          “And that’s why you shouldn’t say it now. Because blacks have a much higher crime rate. And the races usually ARE reversed. If you say that now then for the next 100 years every black woman on the jury will let black criminals off by saying, “Remember Renisha!”

          Hahahahaha!
          Well, I guess I’ll just have to take that chance.

          • freddy_hills

            I think it’s o.k. to shoot a black ANYTIME he/she looks as if they’re going to cause problems.

            Are you for real? You’re such an embarrassment you have to be poseur trying to make whites look bad.

          • libertarian1234

            With your obvious lack of understanding and your childish analogies you think “I” make whites look bad?

            Hahahaha!

            Absolutely hilarious.

            Will that make black women on juries bring in not guilty verdicts for the next 100 years?

          • freddy_hills

            Probably. It’s been almost 60 years and they’re still whining about Emmett Till.

  • freddy_hills

    It’s hard to argue that she grabbed for the gun when she was shot through a screen door.

  • freddy_hills

    The police haven’t said she was smashing her way into his home.

    • Katherine McChesney

      Some people here have a vivid imagination. They’re behaving like the blacks did over George Zimmerman.

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        Some people here are ready to lynch Wafer right here and now. The only facts we know are from a black DA, low IQ black people and an anti-white biased media. Exactly like we heard only one side about Zimmerman presented as a white Nazi racist, and who, as it turned out, wasn’t even white.

        We haven’t heard Wafer’s side of it yet, have we?

        • Svigor

          I don’t think many people here want to lynch Wafer. We’re just calling it as we see it, based on the facts we have. And those facts suggest to me that the guy is guilty of manslaughter.

  • Dave4088

    Let’s hope Mr. Wafer didn’t use the “n” word back in 1989 or that will be the basis for the whole case against him. And daddy McBride was on CNN yesterday and thundered into the microphone that Wafer was a “monster” who must be brought to justice. I’d love to remind him about all of the white victims who’ve been raped or killed by his fellow black monsters.

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      I’d love for CNN to remind us all about the White victims who’ve been raped or killed by black monsters.
      Don’t hold your breath, Dave, it will never happen.
      For good measure, you should boycott anti-White CNN.

      • Blue-eyed Devil

        Two SEPARATE issues, Einstein.

        • libertarian1234

          Tell us why they’re separate, Don Savage.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Blue-eyed devil is a psychopath and psychopaths are, by definition, impervious to logic, reason and rational thought.

            Don’t waste your time libertarian1234, you are trying to reason with a psychopath.

          • libertarian1234

            You’re right there, Quinn, but drawing him out illustrates his nonsensical views, and him and those like him….by continuing to rag an issue….are being bombarded with opposition that reveals who they are and how silly what they have to say is.

            I prefer to counter them than to ignore them. The repetitious nature of rebuttals to what they say acts as a force multiplier of sorts.

            It isn’t necessary for people on this site, but we have literally thousands of drive-by readers and what these derelicts have to say should be countered.

            Besides….I have to admit……..I absolutely LOVE to blast them.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            Being gay does not make me a psychopath. You hate me because I’m a liberal.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          From an IDIOT who writes: “Gay marriage should be lawful in all 50 states. We’re making progress.”

          You are a troll whose idea of debate is insult. Wow, it’s really working, isn’t it .

          Your tired lines remind me of a seal barking…racist! Bark Bark Bark! Einstein…Bark Bark Bark! Gay Marriage….(separate issue, dum dum LOL). Bark Bark Bark!

          You need to go back to your trainer and get new instructructions.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            You hate gay people. You’re mean-spirited. Go back to Anchorage. Sarah Palin is waiting for you.

          • Nobody here has come off the wagon to hate gays. What is up with that?

    • Blue-eyed Devil

      Mr. Vanilla Wafer is a MONSTER.

      • MBlanc46

        Looks as if you’ve stumbled into the wrong forum. Let me show you the way out.

      • Garrett Brown

        I hope you’re being sarcastic.

        • HamletsGhost

          He isn’t. He’s a troll.

          • libertarian1234

            He is indeed, Ghost.

            He’s one of the pink brigade who has been on several sites. I recognize his intent, purpose and phraseology.

            I’m pretty sure he actually believes he’s going to make everyone support far left causes, especially homosexual marriage.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            Gay marriage should be lawful in all 50 states. We’re making progress, though.

          • freddy_hills

            Civil Unions should be lawful in all 50 states. A civil union is a contract and everyone should have the right to make a contract. But marriage is a religious rite. The state shouldn’t try to regulate religious rites. If the church of the pink unicorn wants to declare two homosexuals married that’s their business. But the government should stay out of it.

          • Garrett Brown

            There is no such thing as ‘gay marriage’. Marriage is DEFINED as a union between man and woman and ONLY man and woman. If you want to allow two men or two women to put rings on each other’s fingers and exchange vows then create another word for it.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            You’re homophobic.

          • Garrett Brown

            Not at all. I have no problem with gay people. I do have a problem with them wanting the same benefits as married couples and trying to redefine marriage.

            You’re very immature, by the way. To respond to a thought out post with an insult makes you lose what little credibility you had.

          • libertarian1234

            “Gay marriage should be lawful in all 50 states. We’re making progress, though.”
            But the backlash is in progress.
            Don’t answer the knock on your door when critical max occurs.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            Why do you hate gay people?

          • Nobody here hates gay people to the best of my knowledge. We are realists, and understand they will always be around. I am not religious. so gays do not offend me.

            Whatever two consenting adults do behind closed doors is bound to be disgusting. I do my “thing” with a 31 year-old Japanese woman – my wife – in the shower, on our bed, and sometimes across the hood of my truck while I wear a Waffen SS uniform. We just like each other that way.

            I believe you are taking this all the wrong way.

          • libertarian1234

            It is a trait imbedded in me and every other human at birth, which is an instinct to perpetuate the species. Nature instills in us a disgust for any kind of activity that is contradictory to that, which is secondary only to the instinct for survival. And on that basis it is a “disgust” and not a “hate.”

            The horror stories I have known of and read about homosexuals and lesbians adopting little children and ruining their lives with a confused view as to their sexuality and purpose in life fosters the hate in me.

            Fueling that are the GREAT number of homosexuals who adopt mostly little boys and sexually abuse them, which gains little notoriety in the liberal press, but can be found on internet news.
            Two of them were recently convicted of molesting three of the nine boys they adopted.

            A recent case of lesbian adoption involved a little boy who was given powerful hormone drugs at 8 years old by his lesbian mothers, because they claimed he thought he was a girl and that was what he wanted to be.

            Worse than the homosexuals are the politicians who pass laws harming our children in order to get a few homosexual votes.

      • libertarian1234

        Well, well, well. Just as I thought.

        I read you prior posts earlier and thought I had you rightly pegged then, but this thread has revealed you, old boy.

        You’re part of the pink brigade who goes around these sites, thinking you’re going to make a difference in what people think.

        If it were up to me, I’d delete any post you submit. Your posts are nonsense and you contribute nothing to the conversation.

        • Blue-eyed Devil

          You’re racist and homophobic.

          • libertarian1234

            What’s wrong with hating evil and evil people?
            Do you still have your pink tattoo?

          • Alexandra1973

            Two words that go in one ear and out the other over here.

    • libertarian1234

      “I’d love to remind him about all of the white victims who’ve been raped or killed by his fellow black monsters.”

      Yes, and those atrocities were murders, beatings and tortures that had nothing to do with what is probably going to be a case of bad judgment at worst.

      Whites are in disarray. They continue to re-iterate black talking points about this being a situation where the black had an accident, then ran up to the shooter’s house pleading for assistance and he shot her because she was black.

      A few on here….but not many….are accepting that nonsense just as some accepted that blacks lied through their teeth about Trayvon Martin being hunted down and killed, when, in actuality, it was Martin who was the instigator of the incident, the attacker and the one who attempted to murder Zimmerman, not the other way around.

      Some are allowing blacks to set the narrative in cases like these. Everything is centered around the lies they’re telling, instead of what actually happened. They should reject the black talking points and embark upon an attack pointing out that this black creep was stewed to the gills, high on dope, and charging through the neighborhood for at least three hours before she arrived at the shooter’s house.

      Obviously there were witnesses to her conduct after the crash. Why did she see fit to go to this guy’s house three hours later if she were REALLY looking for help? Were there not enough people around that she could seek help from?

      Then, to cap off the entire incredulousness of this black version of this incident, the prosecutor is black, echoing black talking points that are obvious lies, and mobs of blacks are the ones pushing a narrative as to what happened and none of them were there. Just these facts alone should raise red flags everywhere about the charges against this guy.

      Remember the Duke La Crosse hoax? And how these same blacks were screaming about white on black rapes being systemic and how they should stop, when the fact of the matter is that white on black rapes amount to about zero annually, and black on white rapes occur on average annually at about 37,500?

      Did whitey point that out? Were the boards abuzz with those obvious facts? Did the conservative talk show hosts bring them up?

      Of course they didn’t, even though it would have been an excellent time to condemn the epidemic of out-of-control black on white rapes.

      Instead whites were busy trying to deflect criticism from the incident and white weenie academics even bought a full page advertisement condemning what turned out to be a hoax, with the prosecutor knowingly withholding facts that proved the innocence of the players involved. The black mobs were howling the same way they are right now.

      In the Trayvon case many whites dismissed the fact that Martin was bashing Zimmerman’s head into the sidewalk trying to kill him and instead kept up a patter about how Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his car or something just as irrelevant and silly, ignoring the facts in the case. And every black around was eagerly believing the lies being passed around. The white weenies tried their best to placate the little darlings.

      Are whites going to continue to fall for black lies and nonsense after EVERY SINGLE ONE of the incidents like this one?

      Blacks have to keep their victim status maintained, because they use it as cover for their inability to compete, because they’re too stupid to earn anything on their own or contribute or achieve anything of value. If they had no victim status to fall back on they’d have a difficult time trying to tell enough lies to conceal the fact that they’re incompetent, because they’re black.

      Somebody needs to sit them all down and break the news to them that they need to stop blaming everybody and everything on their failures, because stone-age primitives who have lived a primitive existence for 5000 years can’t be expected to somehow magically turn into success stories just because they now wear Western clothes.

      What is inside those clothes is still in the stone-age.

      • Dave4088

        I agree and the whites on this site ready to convict Wafer before all the facts are revealed are not on our side and are probably anti-racists (anti-white) posing as pro-white. Black America cares nothing about the facts when there is conflict between both blacks and whites and support their race. Likewise, I no longer care about the details in any white-black racial conflict and will support the white person(s) regardless of the facts.

        Being fair and objective towards the other is a great way to becoming disenfranchised in a multiracial society, and it seems even supposedly pro-white whites would much rather do the right thing and lose than win at all costs.

        • libertarian1234

          “Likewise, I no longer care about the details in any white-black racial conflict and will support the white person(s) regardless of the facts.”

          I’m with you 100% on that, Dave.

          I can discuss the pros and cons of an issue like this just as an intellectual exercise, but I couldn’t care one whit if this black creep was shot. She’s one less we’ll have to fight when armed racial conflict begins in earnest, as Thomas Sowell believes it will.

          What these pink types on here think they’re accomplishing by their adversarial posts, pretending to be white nationalists I don’t know, but there isn’t anything they write that is going to make a difference.

        • Blue-eyed Devil

          You’re a racist.

          • That is a nonsense accusation.

          • libertarian1234

            “You’re a racist.”

            What’s wrong with that?

            You have a pink tattoo.

        • Jack Burton

          Rather the people defending him are likely psychopathic morons that are not doing pro-Whites any favors. Contrary to popular opinion among liberals and anti-Whites, pro-Whites are not actually lunatics, however we do have too many with big mouths on the internet that are.

          The facts that are out so far give no defense for using lethal force. When’s the last time a man had to gun down a drunk woman that just came from a car accident for fear of their life? Get a clue and stop posting BS.

          • Garrett Brown

            A very wall stated post Jack, thank you.

          • Dave4088

            All of the facts are not out, jackanapes. We have one article from a left leaning mainstream media news source. If you’re ready to throw a white man under the bus on the basis of one news story on such flimsy evidence then you belong over at The Daily Kos.

          • libertarian1234

            “The facts that are out so far give no defense for using lethal force.”

            They don’t offer evidence that make conviction a certainty as well, since there’s not enough yet to know about the situation.

            “When’s the last time a man had to gun down a drunk woman that just came from a car accident for fear of their life?”

            Oh? Is that your measure of guilt or innocence? The fact that there have been no cases we know of where a drunk woman was gunned down?

            How utterly dumb.

            And you have the gall to call someone a moron?

            And saying “just came from a car accident” tells us that you don’t even know the biased facts presented so far, because the accident occurred at 1 a.m and she went to the homeowner’s door at 4 a.m., three hours later.

            “Get a clue and stop posting BS.”

            BS?

            You haven’t been able to present ONE SINGLE argument in rebuttal to claims here that you’re jumping to conclusions. Not one.

            You’re not bright enough to be on this board.

    • Garrett Brown

      CNN will make this a ridiculous spectacle just to gain viewership as always. What a joke that people call them a professional news station.

  • TheCogitator

    I may agree with you that the world is a better place without Renisha McBride, that is not the point. The point is the LEGAL use of firearms. Wafer did not meet that standard. I hate to see a white man convicted and sent to a prison where he will be preyed upon by blacks. Still had Wafer understood the law and acted accordingly, he would not be in the mess he’s in. Everyone here needs to understand the law to avoid trouble should you be in a situation where you need to use a gun. It is obvious from many posts here that a lot of people do not understand how the law is applied and will be in the same sad position Wafer is should they use a firearm. To me that is tragic.

    • HamletsGhost

      Actually, the legal point is whether the shooter had a REASONABLE fear for his life when he shot her. In a normal situation, his attorneys should be able to convince a jury that a man alone in his house, awakened in the middle of the night, not knowing who/what/where/how many/how well-armed persons were outside of his dark house on a rainy, cloudy, moonless night acted with fear for his life. Try to imagine yourself in such a situation.
      Now try to imagine this situation with a diminished state of having been wrenched from your sleep to immediately confront a situation that could cost you your life at any moment. Yeah, I’d say his reactions were completely understandable.
      Unfortunately, his situation isn’t normal, he lives in Detroit, where a jury of double-digit IQ, vengeful Negroes will decide his fate. I hope that Michigan allows bench trials, because that’s his only hope of getting out of this one.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        “not knowing who/what/where/how many/how well-armed persons were outside of his dark house, on his private property.

        He has the right to ensure his own safety and that of his loved ones and protect his life and property.

    • WR_the_realist

      Precisely. The laws are very strict about what constitute legitimate use of a firearm in self defense. If you don’t know the law, or are unable to keep your cool in a frightening and confusing situation, you are bound to get into trouble with a firearm.

  • Blue-eyed Devil

    God help Theodore Wafer when he arrives in state prison.

    • libertarian1234

      Is it a foregone conclusion he has no defense to speak of?

      • Blue-eyed Devil

        lib, forensics will easily prove he shot her on purpose.

        • Well it will prove he didn’t shoot on her accident like he is claiming. He is not claiming self-defense, he is claiming “my bad.”

          • libertarian1234

            He is claiming “my bad?”

            Do you have an English translation for that?

            Tell us why the forensics will prove he didn’t shoot her by accident.

          • You know what it exactly what it means, but I suppose you merely want to be a tool. There is this little thing called a trigger pull test, which will reveal the amount of pressure it takes to pull the trigger. If this trigger is not very loose, it is very unlikely the gun was accidentally discharged. I understand you are intrenched in hate, a conclusion I made by viewing your previous comments, but let’s just be honest. This man didn’t open the door, raise and aim his weapon at this lady’s head, and then “accidentally” shoot her. It doesn’t sound plausible, which is why he is now facing three charges, including murder. Looking at your comments it is clear why you are offering a defense for this man.

          • Garrett Brown

            Actually, I truly don’t believe “libertarian” is familiar with forensics judging by most of his comments. He’s just upset, maybe he’s young.

            But regardless of his opinions, the facts will show he shot her in the head. The reason has yet to reveal itself, but I find it hard to justify the action for any reason other than robbery or attempted murder. Though those two scenarios seem highly unlikely.

            Nevertheless, he will most likely be going to prison for a very long time, and rightfully so if all she did was knock on his door.

          • The odd part to me, is how so many people are trying to call this a case a self-defense when the accused is not even saying he was defending himself. He says it was an accident. The case is about whether the jury will believe him or not. The DA’s office apparently did not.

          • Garrett Brown

            It simply comes down to you don’t accidentally blow someone’s head off. He pulled the trigger, he killed her. He obviously isn’t very intelligent, which will make him look even worse in the media.

          • libertarian1234

            “He obviously isn’t very intelligent, which will make him look even worse in the media.”

            So now his actions are based on a lack of “intelligence,” eh?

            Whatever happened to carelessness and an accidental discharge?

            How do you arrive at his level of intelligence?

            Did he trespass on private property, run up to some one’s door high on drugs and alcohol creating a disturbance? Is that why you think HE is unintelligent?

          • libertarian1234

            Most of the people here are pointing out a rush to judgment convicting this guy by assertions such as yours about his being guilty and it is all based on here say.

            The media reported that the guy said he “accidentally” pulled the trigger. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out to be another media lie like the many lies reported in the Zimmerman case by the media, and he said no such thing.

            And YOU don’t know what the guy is alleging, because nobody has recorded what he says about the incident.

          • Just go ahead and admit you are supporting this guy because he is white. You know it and I know it. Just stop the charade. You comparing it to the Zimmerman case shows where your head is.

          • libertarian1234

            You damned right I’m supporting him because he is white. I’m pointing out that there is much to know about this case yet. I won’t sit by and watch a white person be railroaded by a bunch of lying, evil blacks.

            Would I be doing that if he were black?

            Hell no.

            I’m a white nationalist whose loyalty is with his people and against black criminals who are our worst enemies and who want to destroy us, because they’re the most racist, most hateful people on planet earth, and they have waged a one-sided war against us for many years now.

            Is that clear enough for you?

            And, incidentally, as a black you want to see the guy swing for daring to shoot a black, just as you probably wanted to see Zimmerman go to jail for the same thing. The evidence or facts don’t matter to you people. You don’t understand any of it any way.

            The difference between us is that you’re a liar and I am not.

          • Good day racist. I have no further use for you. My point was made.

          • I am giving him the benefit of doubt because he is white, but I am a racist.

          • Not sure if you meant you are or are not a racist, but anyway, if you look at skin color first, it will be nearly impossible to see past your own biases. This other guy here is so entrenched in hate, he doesn’t care about anything at all, other than race.

          • libertarian1234

            “Nevertheless, he will most likely be going to prison for a very long time, and rightfully so if all she did was knock on his door.”

            Hahahaha!

            Well, now you have adjusted your jump to conclusions about the shooter definitely going to the slammer to qualifying your position to be, “if all she did was knock on his door.”

            You had him tried convicted and DEFINITELY going to serve time.

            Quite an adjustment from your other assertions, isn’t it, old guy?

            “Actually, I truly don’t believe “libertarian” is familiar with forensics judging by most of his comments. He’s just upset, maybe he’s young.”

            Hahahaha!

            Try me. What “forensics” are you referring to when you talk about this incident?

            My opinions are based on the fact that I’m upset, eh? Or that I’m “young.”

            That doesn’t give any kind of supporting information than your opinion in the form of an assertion, because I don’t agree with you.

            You’ve raised my ire all right, old guy, but nobody woul jump to the conclusions you do and pursue one illogical thought after another unless he were strung out over the whole affair.

            Don’t you realize you never gave this guy on single benefit of doubt, yet you have absolutely zero information about what he has to say about the incident or any other people who could well be witnesses who haven’t been reported on by the media?

            You’re one of the poorest white nationalists on this board.

          • libertarian1234

            “There is this little thing called a trigger pull test, which will reveal the amount of pressure it takes to pull the trigger. ”

            Hahahahahaha!

            Anybody in a tense situation they regard as life-threatening can involuntarily jerk his trigger finger and cause the firearm to fire no matter if the trigger mechanism is loose or not.

            If that’s your “forensic” evidence then you don’t even know what forensic evidence is and how much of it is necessary to convict a person on circumstantial evidence alone.

            “Looking at your comments it is clear why you are offering a defense for this man.”

            You have the gall to say that when it is more than obvious you want to see this guy crucified strictly because the shooter is white and the trespasser was black?

            Let me guess. You applauded…like all the other racist blacks…. when O.J. was freed didn’t you?

            Blacks are concerned with nothing but blacks and things relating to blacks. They’re the most racist group in this country today, and the reason they’re getting shot so many times is because of their racist violence against innocent white people.

            So don’t you DARE tell me anything about hate or racism, because, being black, you’re no more than the epitome of all things hateful, racist and you pose a threat to my family and friends with your hatred and racist actions.

            And the only thing that is going to correct the situation is a race war, just as Thomas Sowell said was coming down the pike, BECAUSE of black on white violence, hate and racist actions.

          • Strider73

            Anybody in a tense situation they regard as life-threatening can
            involuntarily jerk his trigger finger and cause the firearm to fire no
            matter if the trigger mechanism is loose or not.

            Which is precisely why gun users are trained to keep their trigger finger well away from the trigger and the trigger housing until they are 100% ready to shoot. As someone who carries concealed whenever possible, I follow that rule religiously.

        • libertarian1234

          And what are those forensics?
          Tell us why.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            Haven’t you ever watched “Forensic Files”?

          • libertarian1234

            What kind of rebuttal is that?

            Did you arrive at your conclusions by watching t.v.?

            You didn’t answer my question.

            You didn’t, because you can’t.

      • Garrett Brown

        If you are actually following this case you wouldn’t have asked this question. He committed murder, he’s going to prison.

        • HamletsGhost

          People said the same thing about George Zimmerman before his acquittal.

          • Garrett Brown

            Very few, if anyone had an open mind about that case they would have seen that Trayvon was the aggressor and Zimmerman rightfully defended himself against a punk kid that attacked him.

            This case has absolutely no comparison to the Trayvon case.

          • HamletsGhost

            I was one of the few people trying to stem the tidal wave of righteous stupidity during the Trayvon Martin affair. When I had clobbered some dope on the message boards, his parting taunt was something like: “It doesn’t matter what you say anyway, Zimmerman is going to jail and you can’t change that.” After the acquittal, they didn’t want to talk about it anymore.

            To say “absolutely” is pretty bold claim, and a wrong one. The cases aren’t identical, but the defendants in both cases face the same legal hurdle: Was there a reasonable fear of one’s life when they fired their guns. Zimmerman passed this hurdle. It remains to be seen whether Wafer can do it.

            On the law alone, his case is a tough one, but not hopeless. His case is most similar to the one in Baton Rouge in 1992, whereby a Japanese exchange student was shot and killed by a homeowner who had feared for his life when the student knocked on his door while looking for a Halloween party. Even though the shooting took place in the early evening hours, and the shooter could clearly see his target, he was acquitted by the jury, who believed him when he was put in great fear for his life. It was indeed a very sad and tragic accident, but it was not murder.

            Of course, the jury was filled by local whites who could scrutinize the evidence and deliberated at length before voting for acquittal. Wafer faces a jury of bitter and stupid blacks fired up by an irresponsible lying MSM who will crucify him if given a chance. His best chance, at this point, is to go for a bench trial in front of a sympathetic white judge.

          • Garrett Brown

            Not only are these cases not identical, they’re not even remotely close. Stop making them out to be. Trayvon was a thug that got what he deserved because he wrongly attacked a man. Renisha did not deserve to be shot in the face by a twelve gauge for knocking on a door.

            Until we have more information, that’s factually what happened.

          • HamletsGhost

            Pace Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven: Deserve’s got nothing to do with it.

          • Garrett Brown

            Pace anyone who ever said “that makes no sense what so ever” in history. The arguments some of you put out are absolutely pathetic and that’s because it’s just fueled by hate and not logical thought.

          • HamletsGhost

            Sorry the movie reference soared over your head like a 747, but really how does “deserve” enter into this?

            If your precious little Renisha had died in the crash instead of that man’s porch, would you say she “deserved” it? No, she simply reaped the consequences of a series of stupid, irresponsible decisions. Those decisions were compounded by a bad decision by the homeowner, but it was she who started the whole chains of events in motion.

            You didn’t address the shooting of the Japanese student in Louisiana in 1992. If you haven’t done so already, review that case and come back here and tell us the shooter in that case was guilty of murder. If so, why did a jury acquit him?

          • Garrett Brown

            It soared over my head and everyone else’s because it makes absolutely no sense.

            ‘Deserve’ comes into this situation in that an innocent woman who knocks on a door, regardless of her skin color, should not have her life taken away because of an extremely foolish man, regardless of his skin color, was scared or over cautious.

            So, by your logic, because she knocked on the door, thus “starting the chains in motion”, she deserves to have her head blown off? This is difficult to read, thus invoking many face palms…

            I’m sorry this entire situation is going over YOUR head, you obviously have neither the intellect nor objectivity to examine it logically. You also don’t have the sense or thought to convey a rational argument. Why? Because there isn’t one solely in support for this man. Why? Because the decision he made was just plain wrong, there is no defending it. It makes us whites look bad and stupid.

            I don’t need to answer your question about something that happened to a Japanese student. Because like Trayvon Martin, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with this case.

          • HamletsGhost

            Alright. It seems that reading comprehension isn’t your thing.

            I already said that the issue of deserve doesn’t matter here, and you infer that I think it does. It doesn’t, so NO, she doesn’t “deserve” to get shot. BTW, her head wasn’t blown off, so cut the overheated rhetoric, m’kay? Her beauty/ugliness or blackness/whiteness doesn’t enter into it.

            The chain of events didn’t start with her knocking/banging/pounding/whatever on the door. It started when she got roaring drunk and decided to go out driving that night. It then got worse when she caused an accident. She then left the scene of an accident to avoid the police, compounding each mistake by doubling down at each step. Final step for her was her death, and that was one made by Wafer.

            Unlike Renisha, Wafer has a credible excuse for his clouded judgment. He was awakened suddenly by a loud noise and put into a fearful situation by what appeared to be a home invasion robbery. He made a bad call, but it wasn’t murder.

            If you can’t see the parallels between the shooting of the Japanese student in 1992 and this one, then you’re just being deliberately dense.

          • libertarian1234

            You’re right on, Ghost.

            And he has the gall to accuse somebody of being illogical, then spewing nothing that makes sense.

            And he has the audacity to accuse people of jumping to conclusions, followed by his jump to conclusions about what actually happened when he doesn’t know.

          • HamletsGhost

            Three days ago he wrote that he was withholding judgment until more facts come in. Now he states that not only is the shooter guilty, but he insists that he is guilty of murder. That concrete between his ears sure does harden quickly.

          • libertarian1234

            He’s an absolute mess, Ghost, and has acted as if he must prove this guy is guilty at all costs as if his life depends on it.

            He’s all over the board with one contradiction after another, filled with opposing statements, and he cries like a baby for the moderator to step in and save him, spewing denigrations and out and out lies about what a person has posted.

          • Garrett Brown

            reading comprehension? When you replied to a thought out response with a movie quote???? What? What is your malfunction here buddy??

            The issue of deserve COMPLETELY matters whether or not you can get your brain around it. You do NOT deserve to have your head blown off for knocking on a door. Whether it’s a car door, a house door, a restaurant door, whatever the door is attached to unless you are saying “GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY AND POSSESSIONS!” while knocking on that door you do not DESERVE to be shot in the head.

            CBS- ” whether to charge the man who shot 19-year-old Renisha McBride in the HEAD”

            Huffington- “The autopsy showed that she was shot in the FACE, and not at close range”

            USA Today-” family’s account that McBride was shot in the back of the HEAD”

            She wasn’t shot in the head? Huh… that’s funny. Do you along with libertarian dunce not know what forensics are? What an autopsy is? She was shot in the head, your bias is starting to show. That’s when I stop taking you seriously.

            Millions of people get drunk every night and don’t get their head blown off, so no. It didn’t start with her drinking alcohol. It started with the first action that started the encounter between the two individuals, which was the knocking on the door, probably slamming on the door. I’m sure that scared the man, but he still shouldn’t have reacted this way, which was a total over reaction.

            There is no excuse, by your definition of “credible” (which isn’t correct by the way) to shoot someone in the head because she knocked on the door. Black, white, Asian, Mestizo, it doesn’t matter. Literally, the justification that it seems like you and without a doubt Libertarian psycho have is because she is black, she deserved to be shot. That is why he is a joke and I hope you do not have the same belief. Because if so I will just stop replying all together to you.

            And again, I don’t need to know anything about a Japanese kid in 1992 or any shooting before or afterwards because they are not correlated with this case. I especially do not need to know about a Japanese kid in 1992, because it has absolutely nothing to do with a drunk black kid in 2013 who was shot in the head. You can keep missing the point, but it will always be there.

            But hey, at least you know how to debate and have a rational discussion. I would advise you give some tips to your Libertarian friend.

          • libertarian1234

            You’re one of the few people on here who is not only devoid of any kind of logical points of discussion, but you’re convicting the guy without even hearing one word from him….or anybody else but the blacks and the corrupt media.

            And your charge of “fueled by hate” seems to me to be a bit dumb.
            Why do you think these black liars are going for the shooter’s throat?

            If you think you’re being morally superior you’re not. Just gullible.

          • libertarian1234

            What does it take to make you understand that the rush to judgment here, wanting to convict a man, based only on biased news sources, a lying black prosecutor who claims the shooter opened the door, then closed it and shot the perp because she was black, and the throngs of lying blacks who would be saying the same thing if a video tape was produced the perp lunging at the shooter with a knife, all are evidence of EXACTLY what happened in the Zimnmerman case.
            You’re missing the point by concentrating on irrelevant details.

          • libertarian1234

            “This case has absolutely no comparison to the Trayvon case.”
            The lynching of the shooter and the black lies, the overcharging of 2nd degree murder and the media’s obvious bias reporting is EXACTLY like the Zimmerman case.

        • libertarian1234

          “If you are actually following this case you wouldn’t have asked this question.”

          And where did you get your info? From the black mobs or the black prosecutor? Or the “unbiased” news report?

          If you knew anything about the case why didn’t you just answer my one simple question above?

          Here it is again in case you missed it.

          ” Is it a foregone conclusion he has no defense to speak of?”

          How do you know he committed murder?

          The only story told about the incident is what the blacks are saying. Are you so gullible and naïve you believe them?

          Did you believe them about Trayvon too?

          Did you believe them about the rape hoax at Duke?

          Were you walking around with a sign demanding, “Justice for Trayvon, too?

          • Garrett Brown

            From this website. I am knowledgeable about the case and am not jumping to ignorant conclusions like you are. What I do know is, regardless of any outcome except for attempted robbery, he should not have blown her head off.

            He committed murder because he shot a girl in the head that simply knocked on his door, which is a crime. So he will rightfully go to prison.

          • It doesn’t matter what he should or should not have done. She should not have been completely hammered and on his doorstep at 0:400.

          • Garrett Brown

            It doesn’t matter if she knocked or didn’t knock, or if she was even at the door in the first place. He should not be ready to blow someone’s head off just because it’s 4 am and he’s tired.

            We can keep making fantasy scenarios all you want, fact is what happened happened.

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            You’re the only decent and open-minded person on this thread. Most of these creeps are close-minded bigots defending some trigger happy redneck who killed an innocent girl in cold blood.

          • IstvanIN

            Do you realize that blacks killing whites is not only horribly common but that they do so with a level of joy? That they have no human feelings of remorse? That any normal person would be scared out of their wits if a drunken black was banging at their door? We are not close-minded bigots defending some redneck (racist term you used) but a people who are tired of being hunted and discriminated against, disenfranchised in the country our forebears built. We are simply out of sympathy for a race that has nothing but hate for us.

          • libertarian1234

            Right on, Istavan.

          • Garrett Brown

            I wouldn’t say she was innocent, being black makes that very unlikely. But should she have been shot in the face? No.

          • libertarian1234

            Would the chest have been o.k.?

          • libertarian1234

            Hahahahaha.

            Gee, with a blistering condemnation like that I’m just going to have to change my ways.

            Hahahaha!

          • Jack Burton

            Any rational person would have just called the cops.

            When they break down your door is when you have a legal right to shoot.

            There was no sign of forced entry and no damage to his person.

          • Garrett Brown

            You call the cops and you wait in a safe area with your firearms cocked and locked just in case they do break in. It’s standard procedure if you’re afraid to open the door.

          • libertarian1234

            Ah, yes. The “expert” in front of his computer with the only info available to him comes from blacks and who is perfectly safe and secure is CERTAIN what this guy should have done.

            Were you fooled into carrying a sign too that said “Justice for Trayvon?”

          • Garrett Brown

            What’s your skype or an emaiI I can reach you by? I can show you how much of an expert I am in real life.

          • MBlanc46

            Ooh, and a real tough guy, too!

          • Garrett Brown

            Basically yes. Wrestling and football, jui jitsu, karate, weightlifting, rugby. Much tougher than most on this earth.

          • libertarian1234

            Hahahahahaha.

            Well, well well. Mr. Academia with his thoughtful responses that adds so much to the site he just can’t understand why people are not deleted when they oppose his views.

            He went from that to screaming hysterically about the unreasonableness of posters who rebut him and now he’s pretending to be the baddest man on earth.

            And he speaks of allowing “children” to post and those too immature to have a voice.

            Mr. Maturity, the renowned, professional academic who can turn people to jelly just on the basis of his irrefutable, brilliant points and counterpoints now has resorted to veiled threats about his powerful manly figure, because he’s lost all the arguments.

            Hahahaha.
            [email protected]

          • I would rather make friends than enemies.

          • Been to war?

          • Garrett Brown

            I don’t tell anyone my military experience other than immediate friends and family.

          • What is your main complaint about the M-14 rifle?

          • Garrett Brown

            Other than the wooden stock, nothing. I would much rather carry a moder designed one than an AR15/m16/m4. I would rather have 10 rounds of 308 ammunition that 30 rounds of the sissy 223. I think one of our biggest mistakes in military history was set switching to the 223 cartridge.

          • You got that one right.

          • Garrett Brown

            I am a big fan of the m1A. I have a Springfield model that would be my ‘go to war’ rifle if things get crazy in this country.

          • What about a metric-pattern FN-FAL?

          • Garrett Brown

            From what I have seen and read they are extremely reliable but I would stick to something American made since there is no advantage in ammo capacity. I would never say no if someone offered me one to own though, they are fine rifles. I would love to shoot an rpg round from one of them some day, that would be fun.

          • You’re OK. What do you think of Eagle Eye Cherry and “Save Tonight”?

            The last firearm I shot was a BREN gun, on July 4, 2000.

          • Garrett Brown

            It’s ok, not really my taste. I support 90s rock though because it is in my opinion that last decade in which we had decent music.

            I love guns, they’re one of my main hobbies.

          • Do you reload?

          • Garrett Brown

            My uncle is teaching me. I can reload 9.

          • Use AA number 5 for pistol ammo.

          • Garrett Brown

            Okay. He uses Hodgdon.

          • I used H-4895 for medium-sized rifle calibers and H-4198 for little ones like .223″ and 7.62 X 39.

          • Garrett Brown

            I like the soviet round. I want to get an Arsenal AK soon.

          • My favorite will always be 7.92mm X 57 Mauser. I used 185 grain Remington PSPCL bullets and 45 grains of H-4895. That load shot like it had eyes and reliably cycled the action of semis like my G-43s and FN-49.

            One of my current writing projects is a book about case-forming for everything up to 20mm cannon rounds.

          • Garrett Brown

            Mausers are not only extremely reliable but beautiful rifles. The Russians did a damn good job making them. I love the wooden stocks and bolt action.

          • libertarian1234
          • libertarian1234

            “There was no sign of forced entry and no damage to his person.”

            How do you know that?

            “Any rational person would have just called the cops.”

            Then I don’t know any “rational” people, because any noisy intruder on our property will get his/her a** shot off.
            That’s why you don’t need to live ion a rural area, old boy.

          • libertarian1234

            “We can keep making fantasy scenarios all you want, fact is what happened happened.”

            Are you so blind to your own lack of logic and ignorance you can’t see it is you who is creating a false scenario?

            And you do so on the basis of information coming from people who are proven liars, especially in racial incidents involving whites.

          • MBlanc46

            And you really no almost nothing about what happened.

          • Garrett Brown

            I KNOW*** that a girl got her head blown off for know knocking on a door.

          • MBlanc46

            You’ve made it quite clear who and what you are. We now know that.

          • Garrett Brown

            Who is we? You’re the only one typing to me now. Are your family members looking at your computer?

          • libertarian1234

            He speaks for many of us.

            How’s that for a “we,” Mr. Academic (who alleges to offer substantive and reasonable thought.) (When he’s not screaming hysterically.)

          • Garrett Brown

            You know what’s even more risible? That libertarian dunce thinks I’m reading or even care what he’s spamming me with. Obsessions like his are creepy.

          • libertarian1234

            “I KNOW*** that a girl got her head blown off for just knocking on a door.”

            How do you know she was just “knocking on a door?”

            Did you look into your crystal ball?

          • Blue-eyed Devil

            You don’t kill someone because they’re drunk.

          • libertarian1234

            You do if they’re black.

          • Jack Burton

            This isn’t the Wild West where you can just gun down people for being on your property, especially women.

          • libertarian1234

            It doesn’t have to be the wild west to shoot blacks.

          • Blacks are violent, and have given us no reason to trust them.

          • libertarian1234

            “I am knowledgeable about the case and am not jumping to ignorant conclusions like you are.”

            Your conclusions are not only ignorant and misinformed, but they are illogical and stupid….. as well gullible.

            You’ve condemned the guy without knowing anything more than what the blacks and the bias media have reported.

            Let me guess. You were screaming hysterically about hanging Zimmerman too on the basis of reporting from the media and the blacks.

          • Garrett Brown

            My “conclusions” are stupid? How so? When did I make a conclusion? Do you even know the definition of conclusion son?

            I don’t need to know what blacks or what the media said, he shot a girl in the face because she knocked on the door. He’s going to jail.

            You really need to update your understanding on the English language, you don’t know half of the words you use. I can’t believe mods are letting you post this incoherent, senseless rabble.

          • libertarian1234

            “When did I make a conclusion?”

            How about concluding the guy was guilty of “something,” without knowing all the facts in the case. That’s stupid.

            And how about concluding the guy was going to the slammer when this could well turn out to be an entirely different situation that the scant, biased data has revealed so far. That’s stupid.

            “I can’t believe mods are letting you post this incoherent, senseless rabble.”

            You mean you can’t believe I’m being allowed to post, because I don’t agree with your nonsense, don’t you, and I show it up for what it is, which is bias, bigotry, and nonsense?

            It sounds pretty sensible to me. In fact much more so than your narrow-minded bias.

            And you have the gall to make accusations of not knowing words and meanings and being senseless after posting something like the following:

            “You must be Libertarian’s friend. Do you two also go to KKK meetings and burn crosses while avoiding Shaquanda and Boneefa because they are “scary black women”.

            “It’s sad this site brings psychotic children along with the honorable academics who actually add substance to the articles.

            “I’m done with you white boy, don’t let the big, fat, black women get you! You should lift some weights and learn some kind of martial arts. Eat some red meat and toughen up.”

            AND!!!!!

            “And here s what it comes down to. All you are is a stupid hate mongering child, not a racial realist. Go join the KKK, you’re not needed nor wanted on this site. If I had known it was this simple I would have stopped replying to you a long time ago. You’re a complete waste of time.”

            I’m not needed or wanted on this site BY YOU, because I haven’t let you get away with railroading this man as George Zimmerman was railroaded without being able to defend himself from the narrow mindedness and chicanery of the press and other leftists.

        • MBlanc46

          So you’re judge, jury, and executioner?

          • Garrett Brown

            Sure.

      • Jack Burton

        Ya think. He blew her head off with a shotgun for knocking on his door for help. Yeah, he’s a psychopathic scumbag who makes gun owners look really bad.

        • libertarian1234

          ” He blew her head off with a shotgun for knocking on his door for help.”

          What better reason do you need for shooting a black?

          • Garrett Brown

            And here s what it comes down to. All you are is a stupid hate mongering child, not a racial realist. Go join the KKK, you’re not needed nor wanted on this site. If I had known it was this simple I would have stopped replying to you a long time ago. You’re a complete waste of time.

          • libertarian1234

            “All you are is a stupid hate mongering child, not a racial realist.”
            Hahahahaha!

            Well, well, well, now the impeccably mannered Mr. Brown has been trounced so badly in a debate he just can’t contain himself any longer.

            No matter how amateurishly he has promoted his childish, poorly thought out concepts the KKK racist just won’t concede, and it drives him to the point where he is reduced to screaming hysterically in frustration and anger.

            One of your other brothers lost it all too and was reduced to hysterically declaring another poster was afraid of black women simply because he raised the possibility they could be a threat.

            You’re a shining example of race realism by condemning a man before anything but a scant amount of evidence is in.

            And YOU have the gall to declare someone immature?

        • MBlanc46

          So not only have you no knowledge about what happened, but you’re prejudiced as well.

  • Blue-eyed Devil

    I hope you’re not talking about me. You don’t know from Adam.

  • Blue-eyed Devil

    You’re an evil racist. If a black man had killed a white woman under the same set of circumstances, you’d be singing a different tune.

    • I believe that language is uncalled for. I am a racist, though a selective one, and I am not evil. I have met some genuinely evil people, but not on this site here.

  • Blue-eyed Devil

    Who cares if she was drunk?! She was a woman in distress and this monster killed her in cold blood.

    • HamletsGhost

      Who cares if she was drunk? Just about everyone on this board, that’s who.
      You take issue with someone calling her a “creature”, but you have no problem with labeling this man a monster. Hypocrisy much?

    • ms_anthro

      “Woman” is a relative term when dealing with a typical perpetrator of late night TNB. Those of us with extensive ghetto trash experience aren’t swayed by your appeals to emotion. Some black women do look and sound like men, unfortunately. And they’re fully capable of the most horrendous violence imaginable (Google Jonathan Foster if you need recent evidence of this).

      It sounds like he overreacted and shot her unlawfully. Sad for him, sad for her, and a lesson for the rest of us. Know the law, observe the four rules of gun safety, and don’t get wasted and crash your car at 4AM, then go harassing homeowners by pounding on their door in the middle of the night drunk and high.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Reminds me of fat, cushy, armchair politicians and media whores that are always trying to second guess the actions of cops, what they should and shouldn’t have done in a deadly situation where nano-seconds matter – telling the cops they should be armed with bean bags to protect themselves (like the border patrol, bean bags against military weaponry, right?). Anything to disarm the cops and private citizens and empower the criminals — and don’t think the criminals don’t know it.
        Never mind that it isn’t THEIR a**** that are on the line and a split second could mean the difference between life and death.
        You bang on my door like that at 4 AM, wearing a hoodie over your face and screaming like a maniac, especially in an area like THAT, and I’m gonna cap your a**.

        What the hell do people here think? She politely knocked on the door AT 4 AM to ask for a drink of water?

        She was on the guy’s private property, menacing and threatening, on his porch, in close proximity to his living space where he has the right to be safe at all times — it is HER actions and HER actions ALONE that determined the outcome of the situation and she is to blame 100%.

        Unfortunately, to blacks Zimmerman got away with murder. This guy won’t be so lucky and the pols know it. If this guy is acquitted, as he should be, and considering where this took place, I don’t think he’ll be so lucky. Look for riots if just is served.

        Stay safe, friend.

        Bon

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        In case anyone needs a refresher course on the Jonathan Foster case.

        This was national and international news, right? CNN extensively reported this right? Along with the NY Times? For months on end, IIRC, just like the Trayvon Martin case.
        Right, right, right??

  • Blue-eyed Devil

    A dead girl is a “creature”. Wow…

    • Katherine McChesney

      All of us are “creatures” you moron.

      • Blue-eyed Devil

        Seriously? I’m starting to dislike you, McChesney. A lot.

  • Blue-eyed Devil

    Imagine if Wafer’s first name was Vanilla.

  • Blue-eyed Devil

    I hope he gets raped in prison.

    • HamletsGhost

      You’re a POS.

      • Blue-eyed Devil

        So is your mother.

    • WR_the_realist

      Nobody deserves to get raped in prison. Except those inmates who do it to others.

      • Blue-eyed Devil

        Mr. Wafer does. He took someone’s life.

        • You need to cut this out. I did three years and I was never raped. Some of my friends are just recently out, and most are back inside.

          I am the exception, in part because my mother gave a damn. The only rapist I met was a groid who raped, choked and cut up a 17 year-old white girl.

          I have taken human life before. It doesn’t bother me. I reckon it as a chore like washing dishes or shoveling snow.

          I will have to pay for the first one someday.

          • Svigor

            I think the prison rape thing is deliberate propaganda, designed to cow white men into such fear of prison that they’ll endure anything on the outside. Personally, I think it’s time we started doing what we can to destroy this propaganda, and stop feeding it.

  • Blue-eyed Devil

    Scott is probably a skinhead with ’88’ tattooed on his dome.

    • libertarian1234

      And you’re undoubtedly someone who can’t wait for the new pink jumpsuits to cone out.

    • My hair is a little long, and I have never been a neo-Nutzi. I have no tattoos, and I think they are vulgar. I am Scottish, Welsh, Irish, German, Cherokee and Tuscarora, and my wife is northern Japanese.

      I think 88 is a code for “H.H.”, but I don’t remember what the 15 (16?) words are. It isn’t my concern because I am an American conservative and not a European radical. We want democracy here, and not police-state dictatorship, not even “for our own good”. Neither Nazi-ism nor Communism are right for us.

      We don’t need “community organizers” and program workers as apparatchiks.

      When I returned home from federal prison, some of the feds wandered around my neighborhood “warning” everyone I was back and how “dangerous” I was. They even tried warning my mother, who was visiting that day. I thought that was funny, and laughed.

      I used to go out to get my mail only after dark, just so nobody would see me.

      My first job after returning to my own home was making sandwiches at Subway. I was quickly shift manager. I liked that job because of the people I worked with.

      If you wanted a genuine “nazi” or a happy story, you should try somewhere else.

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      Why can’t you reply properly, Blue-eyed Devil?

      I have not seen ONE post where you actually debate the topic. NOT ONE. I’ve read your childish answers and you have no points except mockery and insult.

      All you can come up with is personal attacks, harassment and total lack of respect? What are the thousands of readers who come here supposed to think about your views if that’s all you can come up with?

      Were you bullied as a child? Because most bullies were.

  • Marlin B. Newburn

    I’ve evaluated well over a thousand people now for alcohol-related crimes to include drunk driving, and their alcohol use immediately prior to the offense came in many different patterns. Even how they ingested the booze, such as guzzling, effected the intensity of their delirium. We’ll never truly know, I believe, how this woman got herself so completely drunk.

    • It might just have been that she was young and didn’t know her limits or how to pace herself. In that case, it is a shame, but when you get on the ride, you have to finish it. I like a good buzz, but I won’t get in the car afterward, because I don’t want to kill anyone.

      If you get drunk outside your home, all sorts of hideous things can happen on your way back.

      My wife and daughter were visiting her parents late last spring, so I got drunk with the neighbor two doors down on his patio. We drank literally all day long. In the middle of it, another neighbor asked us to move her piano, so we did that. I sober enough to steady the upright with my right hand, so we wouldn’t bang up her walls. I’m skinny, and never knew I could pick up my end of an upright piano one-handed. Nora paid us with – yes, you guessed it – more booze. She later said about the piano “You’re so skinny; you can’t really do that.”

      That was a glorious day, and walk back home was about 50 feet.

      If one is responsible about getting drunk, this is manageable. If you get in a car, however, something terrible will eventually happen.

      • Katherine McChesney

        I see nothing about ‘getting drunk’ to brag about. It is a dangerous thing to do. It reeks of alcoholic dependency….addiction. A normal person does not drink themselves into drunkeness.

        • Why not? I get buzzed almost every evening, but Ariadne reads and cyphers at an eighth grade level, so what I teach her must be useful. Sure, she’s only six, but she can recover her RC pterosaur from an inverted flat spin.

          My last serious job offer was as a university chemistry professor in China, but this was revoked because of my criminal convictions. Yes, I get buzzed almost every evening.

          Ariadne wants to fly jets as a carrier pilot for Japan. I would be delighted if she does that someday.

  • libertarian1234

    “Doesn’t it bother you in the least that you’re already placing blame on this dead black girl and coming to the defense of the white shooter without knowing all the facts first?”

    “Yes, I’m speculating here and you’re doing the same thing; making assumptions without knowing all the facts.”

    Then if you’re speculating also why can you see fit to criticize me? Don’t you understand that to do so is hypercritical? You can give an opposing argument, but you elect to criticize and to do so is way out of line…and a bit stupid as well.

    Also, don’t you understand that I laid out valid reasons why these charges could well be bogus, since they involve the same kind blacks level at EVERY situation, not just this one? It has nothing to do with this black prowler being innocent or guilty of something. It DID raise possibilities and probabilities.

    To Wit:

    “Since there’s probably a wealth of facts that will be coming out on this, doesn’t it bother you that you’re ready to condemn this guy on the basis of what a black prosecutor claims and mobs of blacks?

    “Doesn’t it seem odd to you that the black prosecutor is claiming the shooter opened the door, then shut it, afterwhich he shot her after observing she was black?

    “Only a mentally challenged black would expect somebody to believe that, just as they expected people to believe that “Trayvon was hunted down and shot like a dog,” in spite of the fact that the overwhelming evidence proved he was shot because he circled back, feloniously assaulted Zimmerman by trying to beat him to death, forcing Zimmerman to shoot him or die.”

    Nighthawk: “Or perhaps Mr. Wafer rushed to judgment and wrongly interpreted the intent of Renisha being at his doorstep that night. ”
    Which is a possibility and is the crux of my whole argument when I pointed out the guy is being lynched like Zimmerman and the Duke La Crosse players on the basis of mobs of lying blacks just like the ones in this incident. They’ve got him guilty already of murder, as is their usual hate whitey reaction.

    N.H. :”If it’s now too much to ask, how’s about you (and everyone else here) just keep an open mind about this matter and put our own personal prejudices at the back burner, shall we?”
    You know you’re easily blinded by your inability to see yourself in an objective way, because it is you who is screaming hysterically, and most of what you say is contradictory, hypercritical, or just plain nonsense, and it is in NO WAY objective….which you admitted but think it’s o.k. if it is you who is doing it, probably because you regard yourself as being morally superior.
    You seem wrapped tight in a hysterical way that people don’t share your view, unable to offer effective opposing arguments so you’re screaming about a lack of objectivity, which you have displayed in abundance.
    I suppose you’re one of the few who thinks the BIG problem in the Trayvon case wasn’t the fact that the black perp0 feloniously assaulted Zimmerman, but that Zimmerman got out of his car…… (to better see what was going on.)

  • libertarian1234

    “If I’m ever in a drunken stupor, I’ll be sure to avoid you at all cost.”

    Anybody with any sense would avoid trespassing on private property, whether he’s drunk or not, but especially if he were drunk…… at all costs.

    I developed a hole in a water hose on the highway on my way home in a remote area.

    I walked over to properties in the area shouting “Hello!” “Hello!” “Anybody home?” Hello?” “Hello?”

    Nobody was home at the three places I went to. I went no farther than the driveways.

    I was fully aware I could get my a** shot off if I ventured on to the property, especially in this day and age.

    I could have went over to the water spigot on any residence, and filled my water can, but I didn’t, because I knew I’d be thought of as likely being up to no good.

    Finally on the fourth place I went to a lady came out of the house, looking a little apprehensive and scared. I took my license out of my wallet holding it in front of me as I approached her and explained I needed some water for an over heated engine.

    She looked at my license, but still seemed frightened, but she took my water can, filled it for me, and I was on my way.

    If you think you are morally superior by criticizing anybody who is fearful of strangers and might react strongly, then you would probably wouldn’t last too long in my rural neighborhood.

    • Sick of it

      All of the above makes sense now that America is more like a documentary about a banana republic than Leave it to Beaver. Trust has rightfully flown the coup.

      • libertarian1234

        “Trust has rightfully flown the coup.”

        Unfortunately, guy, you’re absolutely right.

        This country has changed drastically in just 30 years.

  • MBlanc46

    Perhaps race had nothing to do with the incident itself, but it will have everything to do with how the story plays out in the legal system and in the media. If race were not an issue, no one outside of Dearborn Heights would have heard of it.

  • Sick of it

    Ok, teenagers were considered adults even after laws were passed which treated them as minors. All until the Hippie generation. Even then parents had very adult expectations of their teenaged children (and underaged teenagers joined the military). Teenagers can and do behave as adults on a regular basis (for good and for ill). Teenagers are not little helpless children. My nephew is almost as big as me and he’s in Junior High.

    • HamletsGhost

      “Teenager” is one of those slimy words the lie-papers use to smear people. Somehow it has a connotation of harmlessness in some people’s minds. They used the same oily trick during the Trayvon Martin incident last year. Some jenkum brains even insisted on calling the 6’3″ thug a “child”, using an out of date photo to imprint into millions of chicken-heads that Zimmerman was a monster who butchered children.
      When MSNBC finally croaks, I will personally pop open a bottle of champagne.

  • HamletsGhost

    Are you saying you’re black?

  • Sick of it

    He stated above that he has a gun ready for ANY uninvited guest on his property. I don’t blame him with the way things have gotten.

  • Please avoid me when you are drunk. When I get drunk, I do it no farther than two doors away, and I walk there and walk home. This is not complicated.

  • Sick of it

    I was just thinking earlier that out of everyone I know, virtually all of them are asleep at 4 in the morning, NOT pounding on someone’s door in a drunken stupor.

  • Paul

    Sorry, This guy deserves prison. Black or white you can’t blow someone away for knocking on your door.

    • MBlanc46

      How do you know that “knocking on your door” is the most precise description for what was happening?

      • Jack Burton

        Let’s say she was screaming and yelling, even throwing things around and being belligerent, that’s very realistic from a black woman, especially a drunk black woman. You can see those types on YouTube going crazy at fast food restaurants like McDonalds. However, even if she were acting crazy, that still does not give you the legal right to blow her head off with a shotgun.

        There was no sign of forced entry and no damage inflicted upon him, pretty much case closed. Furthermore, since it’s a female, he’s done. Enjoy your prison sentence.

        • libertarian1234

          “Let’s say she was screaming and yelling, even throwing things around and being belligerent, that’s very realistic from a black woman..”

          Let’s say she had two or three black bros standing behind her that the homeowner noticed when he peeked through the door, waiting to charge through and rape and rob the people inside, and he just read the news where Dearborn has become a hot bed of home invasions.
          Which is a fact, reported nby the police.)

          Any chance your bigotry would allow for more info to come out on this, Mr. Morally Superior, before you jump to conclusions?

          Do you still have the tennis shoes you wore when you were walking around with your sign that said, Justice for Trayvon?”

        • MBlanc46

          Maybe he’s “done”, maybe he’s not. But I’ve seen no indication that anyone here knows what was really happening or what evidence there is or is not. I’ve seen nothing but pure speculation.

  • DelmarJackson

    I think a lot of people are getting all their exercise jumping to conclusions, clearly, most can agree, there must be more to this incident than we have been told, and no one deserves to be shot for knocking on anyones door at any time. Killing someone who is knocking on your door is commonly called murder.

    • libertarian1234

      “Killing someone who is knocking on your door is commonly called murder.”
      “I think a lot of people are getting all their exercise jumping to conclusions,”

      And assuming someone was killed JUST FOR KNOCKING AT THE DOOR is not jumping to conclusions, eh?

      Really funny.

  • bilderbuster

    If only these busybody reporters would be asking everyone if the Black trigger man was a racist every time a Black shoots a White.

    • Jack Burton

      Racism was invented to pathologize White ethnocentrism, therefore only Whites can be racist, and anti-racist is code for anti-White, yada yada.

      • bilderbuster

        Don’t I know it!
        Sigh…..I was thinking out loud & typing to myself again.

      • libertarian1234

        Your interpretation like everything else is off base a bit.

        Racism is a buzz word instituted as part of leftist psy-op tactic in operation here for years designed to intimidate whites into not criticizing blacks or black actions and to serve as an excuse to refuse to offer rebuttal. (Because they can’t)

        Critical theory was the ploy used to dismantle white ethnocentrism and white unity.

  • Sick of it

    Good question. No one has said yet.

  • Jack Burton

    So much nonsense in this article, Will Payne is a moron.

    “People have suggested the killing, which happened in the predominately white area of Dearborn Park, was racially motivated”

    So if an area is predominantly White, that automatically means all Whites are suspect of racism in a confrontation? Nice logic, dumbass.

    “and likened it to the shooting of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed 17-year-old who was killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer while walking home.”

    This guy is a real special needs case. This is not comparable to the case of Trayvon Martin. Trayvon wasn’t just “walking home,” he had Zimmerman pinned down and was beating him to death.

    Unlike Trayvon Martin, this woman appears to actually be a murder victim. The man clearly was not in his legal right to defend himself with lethal force from a drunk woman who just stumbled from a car crash and knocked on his door.

    The man is clearly mentally ill if he feels threatened by a drunk woman and thinks he has to blow her head off with a shotgun. That’s not self-defense, that’s homicidal rage. Even if she was being belligerent, as most blacks are, you call the cops.

    • IstvanIN

      You were there? Black females can be pretty darn scary.

      • Jack Burton

        Hello, Mr. Troll.

        If you feel threatened by black women then you’re pathetic.

        • IstvanIN

          You are the sick, pathetic, troll to think that a drunken, drug addled black female is harmless. In fact most any black female under the age of 60. Move to the ghetto wise a$$.

          • Jack Burton

            Everything you say is meaningless, just like your life.

            I grew up around blacks and my high school was majority black. I’m very familiar with how black males and females behave and I’ve never witnessed an adult White male being in fear for his life from any unarmed woman, even a black woman.

            You and the psychopath who shotgunned the drunk woman in the face are the only two males I’ve ever known to be deathly afraid of women. Good luck with that defense in court, Chicken Little.

          • IstvanIN

            I would like to see you take on one of the Williams bros….oooops, I mean sisters.

          • libertarian1234

            Well, well, well. Jackie baby has entered the fray after being trounced in the arena of ideas, eh?

            Saying black women can be wild translates to being afraid of them, eh?

            Hahahaha.

            Man, are the trolls being exposed on this thread.

            Gee, too bad. Just when you had everybody going over to your side of the aisle with your brilliant comments.

            Hahahaha.

      • Garrett Brown

        How can one call himself a man when he is scared of a female?

        • IstvanIN

          Have you ever seen a black female throw a cop through a plate glass window? I have. The beast picked him up and tossed him threw it. Black females are not dainty little wall flowers. They are beasts. Chivalry has no place when dealing with blacks.

          • Garrett Brown

            That cop, along with yourself are what I call “white boys”. You aren’t men.

          • IstvanIN

            Your just nuts.

          • Garrett Brown

            You’re*.

            You’re a coward. Any man afraid of a woman is pathetic and nonsense, so you are a boy.

          • IstvanIN

            Your an N-lover.

          • Garrett Brown

            You must be Libertarian’s friend. Do you two also go to KKK meetings and burn crosses while avoiding Shaquanda and Boneefa because they are “scary black women”.

            It’s sad this site brings psychotic children along with the honorable academics who actually add substance to the articles.

            I’m done with you white boy, don’t let the big, fat, black women get you! You should lift some weights and learn some kind of martial arts. Eat some red meat and toughen up.

          • libertarian1234

            “You must be Libertarian’s friend. Do you two also go to KKK meetings and burn crosses while avoiding Shaquanda and Boneefa because they are “scary black women”.

            Hahahahahaha!
            Well, well, well. So the brilliant analyst who bases his infallible analysis on facts and figures is resorting to name calling, eh?

            Watch your mouth you little twerp.

            [email protected]

          • Garrett Brown

            No answer. Did you just make that up?

          • Stop it. Istsvan has been here long enough to prove his commitment. He’s no “troll”.

          • Garrett Brown

            I never claimed he was a troll. I stated he was a little coward, which he is.

          • Stop this “stuff”. Please. It isn’t good for anyone.

          • Garrett Brown

            It’s important in our movement to out a coward for what he is. When the time comes I doubt they will help us.

          • He hasn’t done anything cowardly; he may just have a different opinion, which rational people could discuss.

            I get called all sorts of names, but these are quite OK. I own some of the worst, such as the way my wife and I take showers together. Perhaps it is vulgar, but it is only genuinely obscene if one is doing it properly. I love her, and she loves me. You can’t get that out of me. Ever.

            Istsvan seems a decent guy. I hope he has a wife like Sayaka.

          • Garrett Brown

            He’s basically saying he’s afraid of black women, which is pretty pathetic.

          • Stop it. Please.

          • Garrett Brown

            I think he’s done replying, no worries.

  • Magician

    Meanwhile, this black dude is receiving a plenty of love and affection from his white girlfriend *sigh* she works as a personal trainer

    If you want my personal opinion on this matter, I do agree that he could have simply refused to open the door, called for help, and assure the woman outside the door that help is on the way.

    Not only was it the right thing to do, but that would have saved me a lot of possible legal trouble.

    • Garrett Brown

      That’s pretty disgusting.

      • Magician

        Maybe the little girl on the left side of the photo is the dude’s daughter who was born when he was 13

        • Garrett Brown

          Most likely.

          “dats muh new white momma, she buy me er thang”.

  • WR_the_realist

    We know that Renisha McBride was drunk and confused. Nothing in that article gave any hint that she was smashing her way into McBride’s house. The police said there was no sign of forced entry.

  • ms_anthro

    What a good idea. Easy, cheap, and anyone can do it. I hope you’re already leaving these cards all over town.

  • itdoesnotmatter

    One can understand the vigilance. Newspaper report states Dearborn Hts. has been experiencing home invasions:
    [snip] “what is happening in neighborhoods in Dearborn Heights is “truly alarming.” A spike in home invasions in the city has residents on edge. Police are investigating eight break-ins in recent days, an increase in the crimes over the last month and a half.
    Obviously the criminal is more comfortable going into some areas than others,” said Corporal Mark Parrinello of the Dearborn Heights police department, while trying to make sense of the increase in incidents.
    In one incident, the homeowner feels like she may have seen the offender prior to her leaving.
    In another incident, a lady took her kids to school and came back 20 minutes later and somebody was in her kitchen. She saw him face- to-face and told him to leave and he said he was leaving.”

    Based on their investigation, police believe there are at least three groups responsible for these latest break-ins.

    Parrinello believes the thieves spend time canvassing a neighborhood and then wait for someone to leave their home. Once they do, they move in. The bold thieves are taking cameras, big screen televisions, laptops and jewelry, according to police. Police are urging residents to be aware of any vehicles cruising in neighborhoods. They also recommend that they watch over their neighbor’s homes and call 9-1-1 or Dearborn Heights police immediately if they see suspicious activity.

    • libertarian1234

      That’s absolutely excellent work, guy.

      That was at the back of my mind the entire time I was reading the lynching the black mobs and the black prosecutor and the press was giving this guy.

      There HAS to be MUCH more to this than what has been reported.

  • “You can’t shoot someone who hasn’t actually committed a burglary yet.”

    There is a great big difference between “can’t” and “shouldn’t”. There were a whole lot of things I should not have done, most of which I am now sorry about and wish I had not done, but I could do them and did at the time.

    You shouldn’t hurt people under normal circumstances. Sometimes circumstances completely justify it, like shooting or blowing up armed, uniformed enemy soldiers in war. Sometimes it is never justified, like beating up on a family member or random stranger. At other times it is questionable.

    This is one of the questionable cases, but we have laws and courts and jury trials for the purpose of establishing whether a crime was actually committed in cases like these.

  • Katherine McChesney

    What are “morns”? Do you mean ‘morons’?

  • Katherine McChesney

    There you go, inventing part of the scenario. You’re as bad as the blacks were about George Zimmerman.

    • What part of it are you accusing me of having invented? Ariadne can recover an inverted flat spin. I want to teach her a rolling scissors, but she might not have the co-ordination and situational awareness yet. That’s OK.

      Unfortunately, she already talks like me: “I’m gonna boot this guy’s head!”

      I wish I could take her shooting. She can’t shoot like I do, yet.

      As for the JMSDF, they’ll build carriers again someday.

  • WR_the_realist

    The police say they found no evidence of forced entry. Renisha may have been banging on his door, trying to get help from the occupant, but that’s not the same thing as trying to break into his home.

  • DaveMed

    I think it’s important to recognize that Mr. Wafer, in all likelihood, acted rashly. It’s possible that Ms. McBride acted in a way that was a legitimate prompt for him to use his gun in self-defense (although this flies in the face of his claim that it was an accident)… but very unlikely.

    Look. Not every white is going to do the right thing all the time. There are mistakes made by good men, and there are bad apples in every group. The key, IMHO, is to recognize that these isolated incidents have no bearing on the broader bases and goals of race realism/WNism/etc.

    Was McBride drunk and stoned? Yes.

    Did she have a severe lack of good judgment, and likely the impulsive nature so endemic among her “community”? Surely – for her gauged BAC was 0.22 2 hours after her car crashed… which means she was driving pretty hammered.

    Was Wafer acting judiciously in shooting her? Not very likely.

    That said, we can all agree that the media’s rush to cry “Racism!” was disgraceful, although (of course) true-to-form.

    • negrolocaust

      i hope this guy sets up a defense fund so i can send him money like zimmerman did

  • QuinnTheEskimo9

    While we look the other way and argue endlessly amongst ourselves as to whether this guy were justified shooting a Trayvon-looking thug banging on his door at 4 AM.

  • negrolocaust

    blacks are criminal psychopaths who don’t belong in society.

    • Garrett Brown

      Agreed, but you can’t support that argument with this trouble. All cases like this does is make us look bad and further provides wood for Obama’s anti gun fire.

      Stuff like this isn’t going to help us re-institute segregation or create a white European ethnostate, it just makes us look bad.

      • libertarian1234

        “Stuff like this isn’t going to help us re-institute segregation or create a white European ethnostate, it just makes us look bad.”

        If you think this country will EVER go back to segregation again, you’re pretty naive.

        And if you think incidents like this one will have ANY bearing at all on the creation of an etho-state I don’t think you’re making an intelligent analysis.

        And if you think anything said here is going to make us “look bad”, please know that EVERYTHING on here is criticized and vilified. Nothing will appease the opposition, short of our complete annihilation.

      • libertarian1234

        Garrett Brown: “Stuff like this isn’t going to help us re-institute segregation or create a white European ethnostate, it just makes us look bad.”

        “That” makes us look bad????????

        And what you rant about doesn’t? Besides the above?

        Garrett Brown: “You must be Libertarian’s friend. Do you two also go to KKK meetings and burn crosses while avoiding Shaquanda and Boneefa because they are “scary black women”.

        “It’s sad this site brings psychotic children along with the honorable academics who actually add substance to the articles.

        “I’m done with you white boy, don’t let the big, fat, black women get you! You should lift some weights and learn some kind of martial arts. Eat some red meat and toughen up.”

        Does that sound like “honorable academics who actually add substance to the articles?”

        My friend, you are truly delusional.

  • Garrett Brown

    Where is the moderation for this thread? You’re letting a completely immature, ignorant child just spam every single comment with his hateful and senseless stupidity. This conversation has been completely ruined by this Libertarian kid, what a shame.

    • libertarian1234

      “You’re letting a completely immature, ignorant child just spam every single comment with his hateful and senseless stupidity.”

      I thought you were through with me when you posted a hysterically shrieking condemnation of me filled with accusations that I’m a KKK racist and hate monger and you ordered me to leave this site.

      All that was in response to my reasoned argument which effectively made what you posted look ignorant, hypocritical and misinformed.
      Y
      ou snapped and let loose uncontrollably.

      Now you’re back with a plea to have the monitors oust me, resorting to name calling and other insults, but absolutely nothing about my well-reasoned arguments against your biased assertions about condemning this guy before all the facts are in. Are you blind to your conduct and inflammatory insults in place of logical argument?

      And it is truly pitiful that you have behaved so badly, then DEMANDED that I be banned, because your desire for everybody to consider this guy guilty on your word has not been accepted.

      You’re having your Howard Beal moment, because you can’t effectively refute my arguments. You’re “mad as hell and aren’t going to take it any more.”

      Well, if the arguments are impossible for you to refute then stop offering nonsensical responses that can be easily refuted and rebutted with facts.

      Or just quit posting yourself, especially with vitriolic rhetoric that requires a response.

  • IstvanIN

    I am not fearful of them, but I am no macho fool. A drunken, 6 ft tall, 200 lbs bantu is nothing sneeze at. And a wild drunk banging down on the door at 4:00am would scare the wits out of any normal person. I have seen them fight as well, they are not like white women, not in any way.

    I might also point out that even the tiniest women beats the biggest man if she is armed with a gun. And how the hell was that poor man to know whether or not the crazed bantu didn’t have a male compatriot hiding in the bushes?

    • libertarian1234

      The poster Anon on here posited the possibility that she could well have had two or three male companions with her, since it was three hours since the accident, she refused to get in an ambulance and had plenty of time to regroup. When she was shot they scattered. If that’s the case, I’m pretty sure it will eventually be revealed.

      Too, another poster here posted an excerpt from the newspaper verifying that Dearborn was becoming a hotbed of home invasions, according to the police and homeowners were very apprehensive.

      That is DEFINITELY NOT a far-fetched theory.

      The issue has been clouded by these geeks who are trolls and one or two others are running scared themselves of being shot sometime on private property, which is probably at the base of their fears and why they are so fanatically condemning this guy on information that is incomplete and is probably erroneous as well.

      So, in effect, these twerps calling others cowards are no more than cowards themselves. It stands to reason that’s how they would react.

    • Garrett Brown

      How many black women do you know that are six feet tall and weigh 200 pounds? You are not only a coward but a delusional one.

  • Rusty Shackelford

    I thought I read somewhere that her house and his house were both on corner lots and looked similar – in her impaired state, maybe she thought she had somehow managed to walk home and was locked out of her own house. I realize there are a lot of gaps we can fill in with our imaginations here. I don’t think it is outside the realm of possibility that the guy hears somebody banging on his door at 4am, probably screaming incoherently due to the effects of drug and drink, she’s out of her mind and upset because she thinks she’s locked out, and he’s freaked because somebody is yelling nonsense on the other side of his door and trying to get in.
    Or, in a moment of anger he just plain shot somebody who knocked on his door at 4am looking for help. Seems we need some more details here.

  • libertarian1234

    “I had always thought that you pro-whites folks were an honorable lot.”

    Yeah, sure. You got on here expecting to see honorable people….. which translates to trying to childishly manipulate the thinking here to conform to your leftist regurgitations.

    “But I guess I was wrong.”

    You’re not only wrong, but are some kind of dope to expect people to take a high road when they are in the midst of a guerilla war by people who use every dirty trick in the book to try to destroy them.

    Being “honorable” to you is adapting your sick views and refusing to fight back.

    Need I tell you where to stick your evaluations?

  • I will always fight Communists whenever it is legal. I am only afraid of heights… and artillery. Heights are OK if I do not look down. Artillery is never good. I received a hot meal once in a while, a leaky roof sometimes, and free ammo, so since I am a Scot, that was OK. More hot food and less JNA artillery would have been better.

  • Alexandra1973

    I think what it is, people are so used to TNB…seems chances are Ms. McBride was likely up to no good.

    I’m adopting a wait and see attitude. Even though blacks are pretty well famous for the “din’t do nuffins” schtick, it may well be that she “din’t do nuffins.”

    I consider myself a fair person.

  • Alexandra1973

    Not my fault I was born in Michigan.

    Turn down the thermostat down there and I’ll join you!

  • Please don’t post pictures of white female murder victims here. It hurts me quite badly, and makes me want to make n-words extinct.

    • Magician

      My apologies, Michael. I do enjoy reading your words here. I promise to be more considerate. Well in this case, I only posted the link to the youtube clip and this message board automatically generated the thumbnail of it, but I will be more considerate from now on.

  • This has already been made a racial issue, so I’m signing up on the subject as a racist. I’m not completely white, but I damned sure know who’s side I’m on, every time, from kickoff to champagne.

  • MBlanc46

    Is that ever a simplistic account of what happened in that case.

  • MBlanc46

    Way out of proportion to their percentage of the population.

  • Garrett Brown

    Only if you’re a small, pathetic, weak boy.

  • You are unfortunately wrong. Some people are just plain evil. If the head shrinkers call that “Borderline Personality Disorder”, it works. They’re just very bad people.

  • Magician

    It does not matter how politically incorrect we are. We can’t simply kill young women simply because they appeared to be scary.

    If a young white woman attempts to talk to a middle aged man around 3AM because she needed help and because it was so dark and the man had trouble seeing, he could not really see the woman’s face and felt she appeared to be a scary black person and he decides to fire at the young white woman with a shot gun in the point blank range. Was it the right thing to do for the man? Are we going to give him some kind of a standing ovation?

    • Magician

      This man was a coward, cruel and stupid

    • Garrett Brown

      Libertarian dunce disagrees with you ( and every other logical minded person).

      • Magician

        Doesn’t matter how many people agree or disagree with me. It is wrong to kill a young woman simply because she appeared to be scary. Imagine if someone decides to murder your own female family member because she appeared to be scary!

  • Garrett Brown

    No answer from the Libertarian child. He is as I assumed, a coward.

    • libertarian1234

      No answer? To what?

      Since your message says it was posted 6 hours ago, which would be about 3 a.m. in the morning, I guess you’re so traumatized by opposition to your posts you couldn’t sleep. You must really be frantic and distraught.
      And calling me a coward is the last gasp of a defeated fool who has no where else to turn.

      You know, this is getting to the point where you’ve broken down completely into a hysterical mess, staying up all night filled with inner turmoil and angst. I’ve trounced you so badly it’s really difficult for me to get angry at you, even when I read your insults.

      You’ve just about lost ALL credibility on this board with your denigrations and slanderous remarks not to just me but several people who refuse to agree with you that this guy should go to jail on the basis of what is probably going to turn out to be false information for the most part. I’ve never seen anybody on here break down so completely as you have.
      And after reacting so childishly, you have the gall to accuse others of being immature. You give every indication, old guy, of being a bit pathological and possibly demented.

      However, I’ve little to gain by carrying on anything further with you, because you’ve already been totally destroyed in a the debate over this matter, so this is going to be the last time.

      Apparently, unlike you, I’ve got to go to work today, so I’ll have to get back here later in the day.
      I’ll scan the posts to see what the question you have is all about, but that’s going to be my last contact with you. You’re too much of a screwball.

      • Garrett Brown

        What kind of pathetic human being gives someone a fake email address just to keep his reputation on a website? You are not only incredibly stupid but a scared, immature, little boy.

        I have nowhere else to turn? I’m sorry to dissappoint you son, but this isn’t real life. In my attempt to make it so, you gave me a fake email address, because you’re scared, which judging by your posts and how seriously you take trash talking on the internet, is perfectly understandable.

        You are the definition of a loser. I win simply because of that. Let me know when your balls drop kid, and stop giving fake email addresses.

        • libertarian1234

          Fake email address? Well, well, well. So that’s what you meant when you said I didn’t answer you. You’ve got a screw loose, old boy. Incidentally, I notice you haven’t given yours.

          “….you gave me a fake email address, because you’re scared, ”

          Hahahahaha!

          I exchange emails with at least a half dozen other people here who have no problem reaching me.

          What is it I’m supposed to be afraid of?

          A little pot bellied dork with a middle-age spread and skinny arms who wants to vent his hatred out of frustration in an email?

          So you can scream, cuss, and threaten in order to make you feel better after getting your butt kicked in a debate, because that’s all you have left to do to try to get some self-respect back after being so roundly trounced?

          Hahahaha!

          Admit it, little man. You got trounced by me and a couple other people here and it has driven you to the point of resorting to the only thing you have left to do which is hurl insults.

          You lost the debate because you couldn’t offer logical rebuttal. Now you’re looking to alleviate your feelings of inferiority by screaming more vitriol just as you have been doing in place of clear, cogent responses.

          Sorry, wimpy, but there’s no point in discussing anything with somebody who isn’t bright enough to understand logical argument and has to resort to hysteria when he can’t give substantive rebuttal.

          Take it like a man and quit your whining insults. You’re wasting my time.

          Live with it.

          You’re just not very bright…..and you DO have some kind of loose screw as well.

          • Garrett Brown

            No email address, just more fear induced garbage from a retarded loser. Man I’m glad I don’t read your childish spam, I pitty anyone who does.

  • Svigor

    He could have closed it again, too.

  • Svigor

    That’s it in a nutshell, at least with the info I’ve seen so far.

  • Svigor

    Nonsense. GZ was in the clear until the media and the “professional blacks” got involved.

  • Svigor

    It makes no sense to err on the side of abandon. The fact that this man has been indicted is the proof. It makes sense to err on the side of caution, and wait until your assailant is at least halfway inside before firing. In the meantime, if you’ve done the smart thing and called the cops, time is on your side. He was the one with the shotgun, he held all the cards.

  • Svigor

    If not for her actions, this wouldn’t have happened.

    I remember that as one of the refrains of the anti-Zimmerman crowd. It was no more persuasive there than it is here. Every event everyone participates in is preceded by a series of things that “could have prevented” what happened. E.g., if George Zimmerman hadn’t had the nerve to get himself born, he wouldn’t have found himself in court for murder. It’s irrelevant.

  • Svigor

    Big difference. Weeks went by before the media/mau-mau circus reversed law enforcement’s decision on the Zimmerman case.

  • Svigor

    This doesn’t wash for me. If he was so fearful, why open the door?

    In any event, I think the kind of guy who is so confused by a situation like this that he shoots people dead needs to be put in prison. Society’s safer that way.

  • Svigor

    And people who are so incapable of handling the alarm and disorientation and adrenaline that they shoot and kill people without proper cause should wind up in prison.

  • Svigor

    This is not a plausible explanation. Everyone knows that “dog bites man” is normal. If you post the realities of black crime, however, you get tons of people denying your version of “dog bites man.” They will assert that “man bites dog.” America is full of people that don’t know that “dog bites man,” in the racial sense, is in fact the norm.

    The media observes a taboo on reporting the racial version of “dog bites man.”

    So your excuse falls flat.

  • Svigor

    Stand your ground laws contradict your “last option left” thing. In fact, if I have it right, they were enacted to squash that silly “last option left” Monday-morning quarterbacking. I agree with most of your sentiments, but I wanted to point that out.

  • Prison is bearable. I’ve been there. The first year is a bit unhappy, but I’ll bet anything you like it is better than being home-invaded, robbed, tortured and murdered.

  • I’m glad you feel that way. He described himself as a “no-limit n-word”, but he found out what happens when the limits are off. The problem with being a badass is that there is always someone else who is tougher, meaner, a better shot, has more friends or is just lucky.

  • MarcB1969

    “Worthy said Wafer was licensed to own the gun”.

    Why is he also being charged for felony firearm possession in this case? This news report is leaving out some details that may have described why this homeowner was concerned by the behavior of this intoxicated woman who just happened to crash her car minutes prior. I’m also leery whenever it takes this long to press charges in cases with these racial dynamics. Often charges get pressed to appease community organizers.

  • Johnny Squire

    What disgusts me about this story is the establishment’s eager anticipation to apply the anti-white hate crimes penalty to every confrontation between blacks and whites. They can’t wait to string up the dirty white racist (redundant?) and hang him on every news outlet in America. Hate crimes legislation (or as John Derbyshire would cheekily say, ‘Jim Snow’ legislation) should be abolished for their unequal application and because malice already more aptly covers matters of intent than does the now racially charged word “hate”.

  • WhiskeyJunkie

    Some hilarious responses here, and some valid ones. Bottom line:
    Gun control means, knowing when to pull the trigger.

    It doesn’t matter the race, sex, or age: Get armed and prepped, make a call to 911 and give the info, and loudly tell the wackos the cops have been notified, while you are prepped for forced entry.

    Obviously, “shoot first and ask questions later” doesn’t always apply.

  • Ograf

    They “liken” this to the Trayvon Martin case. Good ! the guy who shot him was found not guilty of any wrongdoing.