Canadian Doctors Reject Virginity Testing

Marie-Eve Bouthillier, DW, October 22, 2013

DW: The research on virginity testing you conducted at the University of Montreal has led theย Quebec college of physicians to declare that doctors should not perform these “outrageous and repugnant” tests. What prompted this research?

Marie-Eve Bouthillier: We were called by a nurse who works at a school. She said that the family of one of the girls at the school she worked at had taken their daughter to an emergency clinic. They wanted to get the girl a virginity test and a certificate. She had gone to a party where there was alcohol and so the father was afraid that she was not a virgin anymore.

Can you describe the people who came to the hospital for this virginity certificate?

It’s all related to honor, honor of the family. We had a second case which was a bit different. It was a woman in her late 20s. She masturbated and she was getting married in two weeks. She was afraid that she wasn’t marriageable anymore.

This woman, in her own country, was a dentistry surgeon. She was quite a well-educated woman but she was still worried that she couldn’t get married.

How strong is the religious component in all this?

I don’t think it is so much to do with religion as with culture. I think these are archaic beliefs, very conservative beliefs of certain more radical groups, but it’s not exactly related to religion.

How widespread is this kind of experience in Canada?

We have no quantitative research. I think we need more research to tackle the phenomenon, to see how big it is. Now it is a taboo subject, so when it happens, you need someone to complain about it. Otherwise, if the girls are brought to the clinic, and they don’t complain, we never know about it. What we do know for sure is that there is a business related to virginity testing, surgical hymen reconstruction. We found out that in Montreal, this is the second most popular surgery.

Partly as a result of your study, the Quebec college of physicians has come out and said to doctors they should not be carrying out these virginity tests. How much pressure do doctors feel under when a family or a girl, as in the second case you mentioned, comes and asks for such a test?

In the first case, the doctors felt very pressured by the girl’s family. Imagine that you are a doctor in an emergency clinic, your emergency clinic is full of people waiting to see a doctor, and then you have this father really [putting pressure on] you to test his daughter – I think the doctor wanted to get rid of the family so he could get back to his clinic.

In the second case, there was still some pressure, because the woman was accompanied by her mother, who was outside the office but she was still around, watching. In this case it was the nurse who called me, because she did the test first, and then they asked the doctor to do it, and he did it. She was very troubled, she said, “Did I really help her, or could she be in danger?” Two years ago, there was an honor killing in Montreal. In the Shafia family, the dad killed three of his daughters, and this is still in the memory of the population. So when the nurse called me, she said, “I was thinking about the Shafia family, after I did it, and I really thought I did something wrong.”

From an ethical point of view, what needs to be done to change this? Is a ban enough?

That’s a very tough question. For us it was clear that a doctor shouldn’t do it, but this is just the beginning. Behind all the demands there is something else. Maybe she [the girl undergoing the test] will have a forced marriage – sometimes the virginity certificate will be the ticket for a forced marriage. So there are safety and protection issues behind it.

For us, the medical part was the easiest, and the first one to resolve. But we also need an education campaign about virginity, because one of the major problems is that when you think that virginity is just a question of a membrane, that’s a problem. It’s too reductive to think like that. Virginity is not having had sexual intercourse. It’s not about the presence or the absence or the rupture of a membrane. We need to provide more education about this, so we are going to do more research on what concretely has to be done to help these girls, and to help change the mentality around this issue.

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  • Jesse James

    Hmm maybe Madonna should have given this a shot before serenading us for years with that stupid “Like a virgin” song. At what percentage point of the population I wonder do whites just poof and disappear. New savage ways for a new savage population.

    • Nice Guy

      Hey, that’s a great song! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Nice Guy

      “At what percentage point of the population I wonder do whites just poof and disappear.”

      How many children do you have?

      • Jesse James

        Three and you?

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Virginity is so important. Especially when they forcibly take it away in child sex grooming rings.

    • Anon

      Yes it is….one of the main ways islam conquers a people is by degrading its children. You see a couple of perverts molesting children. But, from their point of view they are waging war on us, undermining our civilization in its most basic sense.

      This is far worse than out and out killing these girls to remove them from the gene pool. It is a guarantee that any children they have will be poisoned….screwed up in a way that destroys society. It also makes clear to all other women than white men are not men. Men kill people who do this to their children The fact that those involved are still wasting air, is an absolute victory for them.

      A huge part of the problem is the asymmetrical nature of the war waged against us. These child sex groomers know what they are doing. But few to no white know the implications beyond a crime against a child (if they even care that much).

  • Spartacus

    “I donโ€™t think it is so much to do with religion as with culture.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    I think you mean “race”…

    • NeanderthalDNA

      I think Islam is the perfect sub-Saharan African religion. Enables a medium to low average society to be governed autocratically by the sparse intellectual elite, gives simple and draconian explanations and directives in terms of morality and punishment, treats women as chattel, condones slavery explicitly, exhorts to war against those too weak to defend themselves, then makes those productive groups who refuse to submit second class citizens who pay a tax (jizya) for the privilege of not being exterminated or outright enslaved.

      This is likely the best a low average IQ society can do to avoid utter collapse and disintegration, an attractive alternative for lowish IQ societies.

      And it’s an abomination to all the dearest ideals of our Western Enlightenment. It represents the antithesis of all Western societal/economic/political evolution. All that uncounted millions of our ancestors sweated, grunted, and bled for.

      But it works for the worst of the darkies.

      • Nice Guy

        I don’t know about the rest of you, but my wife is my slave. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • NeanderthalDNA

          The plains Indians said that a good woman is better than a mule. She can carry more.

  • Even though this is Montreal, something tells me that it is not French Quebecois, Anglos or First Nation folks who are obsessed with this stuff.

    • M.

      The family name is “Shafia”. It’s a typical North African name (Egypt excluded).

      • Anna Tree

        The Shafias are not directly involved in the issue discussed by the article. They are named because the nurse who performed a virginity test, talked about them, because when the dental surgeon lady asked her to confirm she was still a virgin, the nursed complied because she feared for the life of that lady, i.e. if that lady is not a virgin, she may be honor killed, as were the Shafias daughters (the eldest had a boyfriend, the other daughters were allegedly killed preemptively!).

        The Shafia’s story as per wiki:

        “The Shafia Family murders took place on June 30, 2009 in Kingston,
        Ontario. Shafia sisters Zainab, 19, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13, along
        with Rona Amir Mohammed, 50, were found dead inside a car that was
        discovered underwater in front of the northernmost Kingston Mills lock of the Rideau Canal on the same day.[1]
        Zainab, Sahar, and Geeti were daughters of Mohammad Shafia, 58 and his wife Tooba Mohammad Yahya, 41. The couple also had a son Hamed, 20. Rona, who was herself infertile, was the first wife of Mohammad Shafia in their polygamous household.

        On July 23, 2009, Mohammad, Tooba Yahya, and Hamed were arrested on charges of four counts of first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder[2] under the guise of honour killing.[3] They were found guilty of all four counts by the jury in January 2012.”

        But indeed M, those virginity test seekers are surely muslims.

        • itdoesnotmatter

          Not just Muzzies seek virginity tests. My x-husband’s first cousin told me that with the onset of menarche, her bizarrely controlling mother took her to their doctor every month for such an exam.
          Cousin surprised everyone, married a Lufthansa pilot, a really lovely man. He told me she would not have sex with him for the first year of their marriage, so traumatized was she.
          Finally, he issued an ultimatum, it has to happen, or I go. She agreed to a surgical hymenotomy. After that, they were able to consummate, enter into a sexual relationship.
          Mind, this was in Europe, the mother a legend who was loathed by everyone.

          • Anna Tree

            I can understand she was traumatized… I hope she is fine now and really enjoying it! ๐Ÿ™‚

          • itdoesnotmatter

            Thanks, Anna. Unfortunately, he prematurely died. The nasty one, pancreatic cancer.
            When he was alive, they did well. Had two lovely boys.

          • Anna Tree

            Sorry to hear… Wish the best for them, and indeed that she can fall in love again.

  • kjh64

    A girl’s hymen can be broken in other ways besides sex and usually is. These are a people who think it is horrible if a girl isn’t a virgin anymore but if they murder her in cold blood because she isn’t, well that is a-ok. Why do we let such backwards people into our countries, why?

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      Good point. I think that those metal speculums used for pap smears do far more damage to hymens than anything else that ever enters a woman. I am being serious here.

      • Anglokraut

        No kidding, and my stupid-a** state decided that the warming trays for those speculums is unhygienic. I found that out the hard way.

    • a multiracial individual

      A healthy dealing of human sexuality is not exactly one of the strongest selling points of religion.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Martin Luther kind of got that.

    • Anglokraut

      In the case of Quebec, it’s often because they come from a Francophone country, and the Quebecois are blind to all but the French language. That’s why they let in all those Haitians and West Africans.

      • Vanga

        These people written about in the story are not Francophone Africans. They are from Muslim countries. In Egypt, a girl can be killed by her brothers if her hymen isn’t perfect.

        • mobilebay

          What can brothers be killed for?

          • itdoesnotmatter

            Apostasy, conversion to another path, for one thing.
            I assume B.O., if Muslim, is exempt because he is in a position of power in the Western world and must practice conscious deceit, aka tayquia. This is allowed to accomplish one’s goals among the infidels.

          • Alexandra1973

            The old standby “the ends justifies the means.”

        • M.

          North African Muslims are French-speakers; namely, Moroccans, Algerians, and Tunisians.

      • M.

        From the family name, they’re from a Maghreb country. Who are also French-speakers.

    • Anon

      Because that way of thinking makes them strong. And abandonment of that way of thinking makes us weak. We do not let them in so much as we no longer have the will to keep them out.

      The people who think this way are absolutely guaranteed a dedicated spouse for life and will have many children and a strong belief that what they are doing is right.

      Our people, by contrast, have abandoned marriage for the most part, because men and women look at each other as disposable and likely to vanish and/or use corrupt institutions of law to harm their spouse. Having children under such conditions isn’t a good idea. So white people have stopped reproducing.

      Those “backward people” as you put it are morally superior to us. And, if one studies history, those who are morally superior in exactly the ways they practice, easily supplant and destroy corrupt societies like ours.

      Don’t be surprised if, in the near future, you are wearing a headscarf….and a swarthy member of the morality police watch everything you do and say….after our current governments collapse.

      • M.
      • Anna Tree

        I agree with you except for “Those “backward people” as you put it are morally superior to us”. There is almost nothing moral in islam. Moral muslims are moral DESPITE of islam. They are not moral because they follow islam, but just because they are good people and they are cherry picking the koranic erses their conscience allows. They are giving therefore a false good image of islam.

        I am not saying that you won’t find some spouse’s dedication in muslim families and other nice things (and you can find it in non-muslim families too) but if there is no love and respect in a muslim family, that dedication you think you see is not from morality but fear and a shame culture (see my comment on this subject below).

        Fear of being beaten (allowed by allah in the koran), being throw out or divorced (and if their family don’t take them back they have nowhere to go). And even a greater fear of being sent to hell by allah where allah will pour boiling liquid forever and ever on their skin and down their throat and more. that’s why women seem dedicated to their husband in islam.

        We are morally superior. Not were as many of us still are despite all the feminism and other family value destruction system started. It may get worse before it gets better but it will get better. The alternative is unthinkable.

      • M&S

        You are confusing moral with evolutionary superiority.

        In this it is essential to understand that if whites were not already weakened by the pulls of multiculturalism, feminism and distributionist-centrist capitalism, we would not fear the ‘morality’ of Islam because the basis of morality is applied ethics and the basis of ethics is efficiency of survival mechanism as genetic algorithms.

        Where, up until the early-mid 60s we were clearly -vastly- superior beneficiaries of natural selection than every other culture on the planet.

        Fear of our conservative control over our resources as the ability to have and support a few children at very high levels of education and capability continuance means that we don’t have to compensate with spray and pray R-Breeder strategies which exist to make up for the costs of Islam as a religion of war and criminal stupidity.

        Stupid because Islam numbered 80 million in 1953, while by 2003 they were at 320 million. And yet they still contribute less than .02 percent of scientific papers to the world study catalogue and so are -entirely- dependent upon Whites or Asians to provide them with their technology as much as their customer base.

        Ultimately, as a function of societal dynamics, this is a dead end solution because if all resources are locked down by a system of Go-like occupation of terrain (the cost of which is outsourcing those resources to the production manager’s home states), then there is no room for excellence to move upwards by exploiting gaps and differences in unallocated potential.

        In this, you are seeing racial as much as religious conditioning which is why all of Mediterranean Maghreb North Africa, the Middle East and SWA down into India is largely a low-mid 80 IQ zone. Despite having previously enjoyed high cultural IQ group dominance from the likes of the Greeks and Brahmins.
        Conquest by exploitation of the murderous envy of the mass-stupid comes without the slightest understanding that if you destroy the cognitive elites benefits from a society which is better than yours, you also destroy the sustainability by which your society might continue to benefit from the pillage of theirs’.

        It is this latter factor which ultimately will drive Islam to it’s knees because even in the Islamic homelands, only a tiny fraction (the Bedu and Bursid) of the population still maintain the generalist skills as the desire to live in a stone age culture. And yet, with all their emphasis upon religious studies vs. hard sciences, that is exactly what Islam sets up their poisonous seed corn to achieve, once they have obliterated from within the targeted Western society.

        The problem of course being that we won’t be in a position to have the last laugh, from beyond our nation’s grave.

        • Anna Tree

          If by evolutionary superiority you mean the brute superiority: islam has spread in half of the world because islam was forced by the swords and many muslims would leave islam if not for the fear of being tortured and murdered.

          Similarly, many muslimas seem obedient but it is again because of threats, or possibly because of genetic selection: many intelligent/independant/strongheaded women having been “dismissed” or killed.

          Without the oil and the pathological altruism of the West, including food, aid and in building colonies infrastructure, hospitals, schools etc, islam would have been just another instance of a violent cult like the aztecs and incas, and an example of how evolution works (or doesn’t in this case) with inbreeding and backward beliefs and practices that keep whole populations in the past, here the 7 century Arabia.

  • rebellisMMXII

    Sick!

  • borogirl54

    I know that in some cultures, the virginity question is not answered until there is a blood stain on the bed sheet on the wedding night. But this does not prove anything because not all women will bleed. But I am quite sure in these cultures, some women were probably killed because their family thought that they were not virgins, even though they probably were.

    • Vanga

      Part of the hymen reconstruction surgery involves implanting a phony blood capsule that will melt or break and cause bloody sheets.

      • Nice Guy

        Derp! That’s hilarious!

  • Nice Guy

    I think Russia is doing the right thing regarding foreigners. Go, Putin!!

  • Nice Guy

    A girl can break her hymen by using a tampon, hell, even riding a bicycle!

    • During the old days, horseback riding was a common way for upper-class women.

    • Alexandra1973

      Not always true. Don’t want to get into TMI.

      I did a LOT of bike riding as a teen, yet on my wedding night at the age of 20…well, let’s say I would not have been put to death or anything.

      • He said she can, not that she always will.

  • rebellisMMXII

    I have some experience with Islamic culture and even with educated and/or non-arranged marriages the ladies will arrange to have a rag with blood (needed or not) on it just to ensure that the man feels right and relationship won’t have a cloud.

    • Alexandra1973

      A cousin of mine who’s half-Puerto Rican used to hang around the “Chaldean” kids at our high school. She got into big trouble and had to cool her heels at our grandparents’ in Arizona for a while.

      At any rate, she told me that Muslim girls would go for anal sex while they weren’t married. That way they would have that evidence of virginity when they did get married.

      • M.

        I’m Algerian, although of the extremely small white minority. And yes, most extramarital sex young people engage in here is anal. For that very reason.
        Although that whole wedding-night virginity thing is starting to lose its significance in some circles. Especially among the educated folk.

        • Alexandra1973

          I believe one should wait until the wedding night; my husband and I did.

          That way, for one thing, you don’t wind up with someone else’s baggage (unless you marry a widow). You don’t have to worry about catching some disease. If the woman gets pregnant, the baby will have Daddy around.

          It’s also more meaningful if you aren’t just another “lay.” Sex is kind of like a piece of Scotch tape…the more it’s been around, the less it “sticks” or bonds.

          • M.

            I guess I understand the viewpoint of those who prefer to wait. But regardless, as long as it stems from a personal conviction, like yours, then it’s healthy and laudable.
            The reason Arabs give so much importance to these things has more to do with others’ (neighbors, in-laws, town-dwellers, etc) perception of them than with their personal convictions. At least, most of them. Although, generally, it’s a combination of both.
            So don’t be fooled with their natural conservatism. Many of them still practice the unspeakable in the dark.

  • Anna Tree

    Ali Sina, an ex-muslim wrote:

    “The Western culture, is guilt based. The Eastern culture is shame based.

    For us Easterners, everything is about image and how others see us. The opposite of guilt is innocence. If your ethos is guilt based, you have an inner police that stops you from doing wrong because doing wrong makes you feel guilty. If your ethos is shame based, all you care is to preserve your image. The opposite of shame is honor. You can do wrong but as long as no one sees it, your image is not tarnished and you can still be seen as an honorable person. In a shame based culture, wrong and right have no meaning. It is all about shame and honor. If the stain of shame is removed, even if it means the murder of your own daughter, honor is restored.

    These are two very different worldviews. Unless we understand them we
    will not be able to make sense of Muslims and their minds.”

    • M.

      I would add to them the Southern Italians. They’re also very big on honor and shame.
      Incidentally, they’re genetically close to North Africans and Middle-Easterners, as per Pr. Richard Lynn.

      “Averaging the values for Italian regions across different studies
      (Barlesque et al. 2000; Capelli et al. 2007; Di Giacomo et al. 2003),
      the frequency of haplogroup xR1a (a marker of Western European
      paleolithic populations) is around 54 percent in central and northern
      Italy and only about 30 percent in the south. Thus the Paleolithic
      substratum is almost two times stronger in the north. Similarly,
      haplogroup E1b1b is found at frequencies higher in the south than in the
      north (17.67 percent vs 6.25 percent โ€” averaging the results of two
      studies by Capelli et al., 2006, and Capelli et al., 2007). Haplogroup
      E1b1b is found at high frequencies in North Africa (reaching 82% in
      Tunisia and with values around 60 percent in the rest of North Africa)
      and its frequencies are much lower in the Middle East (Capelli et al.
      2006). The interpretation of these frequencies is that much of this
      haplogroup was probably carried to Italy by North Africans during their
      intermittent colonization and occupation of the south between around 750
      BC to 1060 AD, when Arab rule was finally replaced by the Normans.

      The conclusion is that Prof. Lynn is correct that IQs in Northern
      Italy are substantially higher that in the South, that Middle Eastern
      and North African genes are much more common in the South, and that
      North African genes for low IQ are the most reasonable explanation for
      the impoverishment of the South known in Italy as the questione meridionale.”

      http://www.amren. com/news/2010/05/the_galton_repo/

      Indeed, aside from their Christian religion, many Sicilians can be hardly distinguishible from North African and other Arabs. Whether physically or mentally.

  • I used to work with a short, swarthy guy of Sicilian ancestry. He didn’t like being photographed standing next to me because I’m tall and fair. On the other hand, he married a Czech lady and both of their kids are tall, fair blonds. The Mediterranean look breeds out pretty quickly.

    • Anna Tree

      I think it’s not that the Mediterranean look breeds out quickly, but that that guy like many of the Italian even of the South, have mixed genes like M wrote. So with that Czech lady, the genetic “dice” went tall and fair. If they had more than 2 kids, then you may have seen the real range of their genes.

      It seems logic that more mixed a couple (and mixed the ancestors of that couple), more their kids may have a broader range of differences. More similar the siblings, less their parents and ancestors are diverse.

  • Anglokraut

    Except under current law, the Charter will be found illegal by the Supreme Court. You want to keep the Charter? change Canadian law.
    And after driving through southern Quebec, and visiting Quebec City, Montreal, and Ottawa, and having a lovely chat with a Francophone MP from an Ottawa riding, I think I have a better idea of what is going on in Quebec than you think.

    You want to make Quebec a better place to live? How about starting with Quebec’s long-standing tradition of corruption in all levels of government?