Two Blond Children Returned to Their Roma Parents in Ireland as Police Are Accused of Racism

Steve Nolan, Daily Mail (London), October 24, 2013

Police in Ireland have been accused of racism after DNA tests proved that two blond children taken from their Roma gypsy parents were rightfully theirs.

Detectives were responding to public tip offs fueled by media coverage of the alleged child abduction case involving blonde-haired girl Maria and a family of Roma in Greece.

In both cases, police suspected that the children, a seven-year-old girl from Dublin and two-year-old Iancu Munteau from Athlone, might be victims of abduction because they were blond haired and blue eyed unlike the rest of their immediate family.

Garda commissioner Martin Callinan has now been ordered to produce a report explaining why the two children were taken from their families.

Ireland’s Ombudsman for Children is also to investigate the issue.

Emily Logan will be given the report from the Garda Commissioner as well as one from the Health Service Executive (HSE) in two weeks’ time and will review the circumstances which led to Irish police removing the children from their homes.

Justice Minister Alan Shatter told lawmakers he was ‘pleased and relieved’ that the children had been returned to their homes.

He said: ‘We must all be particularly conscious of the regrettable distress that arose for the two families and their children.’

He defended the need for police and child welfare officers to remove children from potentially dangerous homes, but cautioned that Irish authorities must ensure ‘that no group or minority community is singled out for unwarranted suspicion in relation to child protection issues.’

He said that he believes that police were acting ‘in good faith’ when they took the children and said that he is keen to ensure that lessons have been learned.

But Dublin-based support group for gypsies, Pavee Point, has accused the police of racial profiling.

On Monday, police went to one Roma family’s home in southwest Dublin and sought the passport and birth certificate of the seven-year-old girl.

The family produced them, but police opted to issue an emergency child protection order and placed the child in state care.

Police said the Romanian passport was not useful because it had a baby photo, not the girl’s current appearance, while the birth certificate did not match Dublin hospital records.

On Tuesday, police in the midlands town of Athlone went to another Roma family’s home and asked both parents to provide mouth-swab samples from their son and themselves.

The boy then was taken away by social workers overnight and returned the next day after the child’s parentage was confirmed.

Iancu Munteau’s father, also called Iancu, told reporters he had assured police that other relatives also had blond hair and blue eyes. He said his wife couldn’t sleep all night and the boy’s older sister cried much of the night.

The Muntean family

The Muntean family

The Dublin family’s lawyer, Waheed Mudah, issued a statement outside the Family Court accusing the police of acting without justifiable cause.

Mudah said his clients were ‘very conscious of the fact that this case has been linked’ with the Greek child-abduction case, ‘which has nothing to do with them’.

He said his clients hoped parents across Ireland would ‘consider how they would feel if one of their children was taken away in similar circumstances for similar reasons. They hope no other family has to go through the experience they have suffered’.

Pavee Point, a Dublin-based support group for Gypsies, said the police were guilty of racial profiling and child abduction.

The group’s co-director, Martin Collins, said he feared that more children of Roma parents who are not dark-skinned and have brown eyes could be taken away for DNA tests.

He said: ‘It’s outrageous. It’s despicable.’

In a statement the Garda Siochana force defended its actions as consistent with child-protection laws.

The statement added; ‘We take extremely serious(ly) all reports received from members of the public concerning child welfare issues.’

Interpol has still been unable to identify Maria, who was found living with a Roma couple in Farsala last week.

She was found living with a couple, Elefthena Dimopoulou and Hristos Salis, who told police and prosecutors they had received the blond girl from a destitute Bulgarian woman and had brought her up with their own five children.

They have been charged with abduction and document fraud, and have been jailed awaiting trial.

DNA checks on Interpol’s missing children’s register has so far failed to find a match with Maria.

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  • Jesse James

    We can’t have the police actually trying to protect whites, that just won’t do. This is how all those young girls in England are groomed and subjugated into sexual slavery because none of the powers that be dare challenge the situation. This unfortunate incident will make it ever more likely that police forces in white countries will keep turning a blind eye to depredations by non-white foreigners. The police may have made a mistake but least they are trying to protect their own. If these people feel unjustly treated let them go back to their home country where they can feel more at ease.

  • MekongDelta69

    Wouldn’t you just LOVE to hear or see JUST ONCE, somebody/anybody stand up and say,
    “Yes, we’re racist. Just like YOU are. Now, shut the hell up.”

    • Jesse James

      Yes and I would laugh my ass off. Can you imagine the sudden silence followed by everybody bleating at once.

    • Spartacus

      I’m a racist . And I openly admit it in public . Nothing happens…

      • freddy_hills

        When someone gets in my grill I prefer to say, “You don’t have enough sense to take your own side in a fight.” When they say, “There is no fight.” I say, “See. I told ya.”

      • Jefferson

        Romania does not have over 100 million Nonwhites like the U.S. So of course you can openly admit in public that you are a racist.

    • M.

      Well, it’s not against the law. People just fear the social stigma. Which I don’t think would that big. Depending on your environment and acquaintances. Most of my friends are fine with me being a race-realist. Except for one, but I think he’s gay.

      Today’s social stigmas are misplaced. Remember when there was one for race-mixing? Those were the days.

      • Pro_Whitey

        If you live and work behind enemy lines, like I do, you also fear losing your job and the ability to get another one. For people who decried blacklists when used against them, they think it’s fine and dandy.

      • Andy

        If I were “out” as a race realist, I would likely be expelled from my school, never able to find a job, and would lose all but my closest friends. I’ll wait until I’ve got a safer financial position.

      • Brian

        I apply the stigma in a do-it-yourself fashion. A while back a coalburner approached with her caramelattos in tow and started to come on to me in a comically prostitudinous fashion…I think she thought she was being coquettish. I told her to call her baby-daddy for support, and the wayward lass informed me, ebonically, ‘he in prison’. After a nanosecond of complete surprise at this prospect, I said ‘Find another sucker. I don’t sport with mudsharks and humpblack whales.’ Young Miss was momentarily nonplussed, but then launched into profane histrionics, wagging the finger and shaking her head rhythmically hither and yon. Yours truly sauntered off with a newfound bounce in his step.

    • Brian

      The first few times it happened, they’d get fired, and the rest of us would have to chip in for their legal fund, or missing paycheck til they got on somewhere else– which I would gladly contribute to– and then…it might get normalized. The powers-that-be would be quaking.

  • Jefferson

    Since Roma Gypsies are not native Europeans and they racially draw their ancestry back to India, of course anybody would be suspicious when they see a blond haired child with a Gypsy couple.

    Look up the history of the Roma, racially they belong to the same race as Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal for example.

    • Spartacus

      Gypsies, not “Roma” . Roma is an artificial name invented by people who are not Eskimos .

  • Martintoluca

    Better to be safe than sorry. Roma are pretty much parasites.

  • DavidSNESGAMER

    Do a double-blind study on the DNA comparisons. (Separate labs, with multiple filler samples like a police lineup, where the test takers nor handlers do not know the parties they’re testing.)

    I challenge an Irishmen to offer that Roma family $2,000 to take a double blind test. Hold the cash right in front of their faces, and they’ll readily agree.

    There was likely fraud (or simple incompetence) in the DNA test. This sets a terrible precedent, as the government can steal white kids and say, “They’re not the real parents, our state-paid experts said so.”

    • Jesse James

      From a civil liberties perspective you are correct, I really don’t want to see the government seizing children pending DNA verification. I can see a lot of bad things coming from that precedent.

      • DavidSNESGAMER

        Honestly, I’m just worried they’re going to start snatching white babies and giving ’em to blacks or browns. “Our DNA says these are the real parents!”

        Fraud is frequent and easy. It must be suspected and investigated.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          Anything can be corrupted. Oversight is what is supposed to prevent that. If we can’t agree on oversight, then anything is possible and general confidence falls.

      • Brian

        If the police take the child you know is yours, get your own DNA test and sue the bejesus out of the them.

    • foundingstockcracker

      Look at the DNA results for Blond haired blue eyed Europeans put forward by the liberal media, BBC especially. The all come back with a mixture of African, Asian, Oriental, maybe a little from some obscure tribe, and maybe, just maybe 10-15% European. Oh yea, you can most certainly believe these results.

      • DavidSNESGAMER

        They’re trying to oppress reality with junk science, and intimidate you. Don’t be intimidated, and call them out on their junk science.

        As I said: pay a private lab – and do it double blind – to do a test on this “family”. Hold cash out in front of them (a’la the scene with Tom Elliott in ‘Thank You for Smoking’) to get them to agree. They will agree, but in the off chance they don’t, say, “We’re offering you $2,000 for nothing. What are you trying to hide?”

      • DavidSNESGAMER

        They’re trying to oppress reality with junk science, and intimidate you. Don’t be intimidated, and call them out on their junk science.

        As I said: pay a private lab – and do it double blind – to do a test on this “family”. Hold cash out in front of them (a’la the scene with Tom Elliott in ‘Thank You for Smoking’) to get them to agree. They will agree, but in the off chance they don’t, say, “We’re offering you $2,000 for nothing. What are you trying to hide?”

      • Kenner

        That’s from the father’s DNA, which contains more ‘junk’. The mother’s DNA is pretty clear…The left is using the trash DNA to prove there are no ‘white’ people. I believe that ruse has been discredited by actual science that didn’t pass through the Frankfurt School fun house.

    • Alfred the Great

      There is something wrong here. Dark people don’t have blonde, blue-eyed children.

      • M.

        They can, actually. The parents just have to have the blonde and the blue-eyes’ genes.
        The kid just happened to inherit the fairer genes from both his parents.

      • 1stworlder

        Its extremely unlikely that so many recessive traits plopped out in 2 kids. The odds of the test being a fraud are lower than that. If both parents had the blond recessive trait the odds are one out of 4 of blond kids, same for blue eyes(blond and blue 1/16 if both recessive traits) . Skin color is controlled by several genes making it even less likely.

      • Brian

        It’s possible she’s the mother but the father was some passing stranger.

    • drekkkkk

      There’s something wrong here. No way that kid is roma, a 1 day test is not acceptable.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Yes, I find this story very difficult to believe. I’d like to see some confirming tests.

  • Jerrybear

    I wonder if the DNA tests only matched the mother. Perhaps she was schtupped by an Irishman.

    • Alfred the Great

      Even so, the likelihood of a blonde, blue-eyed child is extremely remote because the darker genes are dominate. At least I think that is how it works.

      • Jerrybear

        You’re correct but the recessive genes do have a chance to be dominant. It’s like red hair in white people.

    • Carney3

      If so, I feel shame.

  • sbuffalonative

    It would seem that kidnapping white children are now fair game.

  • M.

    Statistically, the Gypsies are more likely to abduct children. A child who belongs to Gypsy parents didn’t look like them. Any sane person would connect the dots and smell something fishy.
    That wasn’t racism. It was just common sense.

    • Alfred the Great

      Good police work, if you ask me.

    • Alexandra1973

      I guess they’re trying to convince people that there’s no truth to the “child-stealing Gypsy” stereotype. Just the thought that struck me.

  • Unperson

    OK, gyppos, we got some good news and we got some bad news.

    The good news is, the DNA test says you can keep the kid.

    The bad news is, we’re kicking your whole damn family out of Ireland because you’re thieving foreigners and you don’t belong here.

    • M.

      I wish the last part were true.

  • frederickdixon

    I see a Bulgarian gypsy woman with ten children has come forward to claim the little girl in Greece. To judge by the photos the woman couldn’t be anything but a gypsy, but around half of her children are very blond, and one of them a vivid red head. (I say she has ten children but that’s an estimate because her – very fair – eldest son, speaking to the press, was unsure how many of there are). She confirms the Greek couple’s story that she left the girl with them while she and her husband worked in Greece.
    It all rather ties in with a claim by a “gypsy spokesman” that gypsies often leave their children with other families for a spell, and also “take in waifs and strays” – the latter, if true, perhaps explains the ancient belief that gypsies steal children.
    Its all very odd, but it sort of adds up when you take into account the oddness of gypsies. But where on earth did the genes come from for all those blond children?

    • Sick of it

      They are known to traffic children internationally in modern times, so the old stories of gypsies stealing children are likely accurate.

    • 1stworlder

      But are they her kids?

    • NM156

      From blond sperm donors, that’s where. Gypsy women are known to whore, not just for the money, but for the white offspring, who will allow the Gypsy family access to more lucrative scams by virtue of the trust gained by their childrens’ whiteness.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      I bet they’re Sircassians. Many of them were made “gypsies” by the Ottoman Empire and then the Soviet Union. I’ve got some photos of these “gypsies” in Hungary, they are very white and beautiful with very colorful costumes. When I was in Ireland in 1988, I met up with some “Tinker” children. Tinkers were what used to “at least” be the Irish version of gypsies. They were Irish that had lost land mostly in the 19th century and lived nomadic lifestyles in Ireland, traveling by horse drawn “caravans.” It used to be possible to rent a caravan and travel around in one as a tourist. I know of two films that feature them, one is “Into the West,” about a modern Tinker family, fighting the forced settlement policy of the government and the other is a very good, haunting film with Richard Harris and Sean Bean, highly recommended for both information and entertainment value.

      • frederickdixon

        Thank you for this interesting new perspective. I knew that Circassians are said to be blond and that stud farms in the Caucasus used to breed beautiful blonde women for sale to Ottoman harems. Our famously blond Mayor of London attributes his colouring to his great (or great great) grandmother, a Circassian slave who was purchased in Constantinople by his Turkish forebear, who was Foreign Secretary to the last Ottoman Sultan. BUT I certainly didn’t know that the Ottomans converted them into gypsies, which adds a new perspective to their supposed Indian origin.
        As for the Irish ones, I always understood that gypsies never reached Ireland and that tinkers are really hereditary native vagrants. It does now look, though, as if the gypsies have finally reached the emerald isle.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          A great book I found this year; “A Year Among the Circassians,” – A. Longsworth. This is a travelogue created in 1840 while this British adventurer spent his year there. What I mean by “made” gypsies is through Ottoman oppression, many distortions of their European subjects was accomplished. “Balkan Ghosts” by Kaplan is a modern review of that , if you are a reader.

  • Spartacus

    There is no rule at all here . we have a government on paper that’s really various gangs who rob us all day and all night . Elections are irrelevant (most Romanians think they’re forged) . We’re basically Somalia, but without the violence because we’re not groids .

    • M.

      I hear the Romanian economy has been doing good this last decade. That’s something.

      • Spartacus

        It’s not really all that great. Our economy was systematically destroyed during the 90s by the usual suspects, and we never fully recovered from that . In the capital, where I live, and the big cities like Constanta, Cluj-Napoca, Iasi, Craiova, TImisoara, Arad and so forth things aren’t bad, but there widespread poverty in rural areas, as well as in most small and medium-sized towns .

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      I don’t know how, Sparty, (because I wouldn’t want to just reveal my e-mail address), but I’d like to have a private chat with you about Romania and Moldova.

      • Spartacus

        I don’t think Disqus has any PM option. I may be mistaking though, as I’ve only been using it for a few months .

        • ShermanTMcCoy

          We have a Dacha outside of Chisinau that sits on some land. Though it is pretty nice, to be a habitable retreat if everything goes to hell, I will need to invest maybe 20-30K Euros in it. We are preparing to be inundated by Gypsies in Germany. Along with the Turks, Pakis, Africs, one has to be thinking about an escape.

          • Spartacus

            When you’re deciding where to move, don’t worry only about who’s there, but consider the kind of people as well. If I had a choice between living in an all-white place where most Whites are race-traitors, or in a majority non-White place where there are some Whites that are like myself, I’d choose the latter every time, because in the first situation, I’d always be alone, but in the second, there’d always be someone to keep watch while I sleep, which is really all I need from other people .

  • Sick of it

    Sorry, that all died with Michael Collins.

  • IstvanIN

    Don’t they spend their time killing Protestants, British Soldiers and dissing the Queen?

    • Xerxes22

      Saying the IRA killed Protestants is like saying Hungarians killed Jews. Neither statement would be quite accurate.

      • Sangraal

        In what sense would either statement not be quite accurate? Protestants and Jews have been killed by the IRA and by Hungarians respectively. Do you mean that neither group was killed because of their ethnic/religious identity, but for purely political reasons, in which that identity was irrelevant?

        • Xerxes22

          Yes. The IRA as a whole did not engage in sectarian killings, although there were a few exceptions. Most of the Protestants killed in the war were serving the British government in an armed capacity or were members of Loyalist murder gangs. Many Catholic and Protestant civilians were killed in the collateral damage that occurs in all wars. There are very few wars where the military deaths outnumber the civilian deaths.
          In Hungary, the Hungarian government protected the Jews untill the country was invaded in march, 1944. It was the Germans who killed and deported the Jews aided by some Arrow Cross collaborators. The Hungarian people can’t be blamed for it since their country was under foreign occupation at the time.

  • IstvanIN

    Black Irish?

    • Nigerian or “New” Irish as the turd world hordes are referred to, the implication being that the “Old” Irish obviously are nt good enough any more.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      “Black Irish” is an old term for a dark haired, dark eyed, but white skinned person in Ireland who is otherwise Irish genetically. The cause is thought to be from some old connections to Spain (Gallicia on the north coast of Spain is still somewhat a Celtic region) and the political comings and goings during the long religious wars with England as a “back door” to Britain in general. There is an arch at the quay in Galway called “The Spainish Arch, for example. Some survivors of the Spanish Armada were rescued and settled in Ireland, mixing in (while others were murdered on the beaches).

      Where I lived in the Balkans, any dark haired, dark eyed white was called “Black,” while an actual negro was called by the German term “negger.” Whites in North America seem very confused when confronted with terms like Black Irish and Black as I have described. But we mix everything up here and lose our real meanings – it’s the American Way.

  • Sangraal

    It’s a bitter irony that for the best part of a century, a revolutionary movement existed that would go to any lengths to secure an Irish state against rule by their fellow NW Europeans, and settlement by their fellow Christian Gaels, but race-replacement immigration by non-European dregs today is met by the sound of chirping crickets.

    It is tragic that in setting aside our bloody and pointless internecine conflicts, Europeans seem to have renounced their fighting spirit entirely.

  • Brian

    I understand why the parents would be upset, but the police have to do their jobs. Consider the outcry that would have occurred if the police had been suspicious, and had done nothing out of political correctness, and then it turned out these weren’t the parents. DIYD, DIYD.

    Pavee Point, a Dublin-based support group for Gypsies, said the police were guilty of racial profiling and child abduction.

    Racial profiling? Not exactly. They were guilty of common sense, which seems to be almost criminal these days. If they’re guilty of child abduction, then someone better call the PO-leece on Child Protective Services– they ‘abduct’ children every day!

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    The Kalash people are not genetically related to the Turkic/Mongol mixed locals around them and they are also not related to Europeans. They are as separate from other whites as the Australian Aborigines are from Negroes.