Black Biker Gang Behind SUV Attack in NYC

Colin Flaherty, WND, October 1, 2013

Here is what the local newspapers did not report about the mob of dozens of motorcycle riders who chased, stopped and beat the father of a young Asian family on a Sunday afternoon in New York City: One, the mob was black, says the police report. Two, this is merely the latest of several such examples of racial violence on wheels, witnesses say.

Except this one is on video. All six minutes and 27 seconds of it. Recorded on the helmet-cam of one of the members of the black motorcycle mob.

“The newspapers say it was a motorcycle gang,” said one veteran member of New York’s law enforcement community. “That makes you think it was a white gang, like the Hell’s Angels. But it was the total opposite.”

Cops busted the psycho biker who allegedly started the confrontation that ended with an SUV driver being badly beaten—as sources said another cyclist hurt in the mayhem may be paralyzed for life, sources told the New York Post Tuesday.

Biker suspect Christopher Cruz, 28, of Passaic, NJ, was charged with reckless endangerment, reckless driving, endangering the welfare of a child and menacing in the attack on Alexian Lien, 33, who had been out with his family for a Sunday drive in Upper Manhattan.

As the video begins, a black Range Rover is heading north in the direction of Harlem. Driving is Lien, his wife and child are also in the car–now being pursued and surrounded by more than 50 bikers.


Twenty-seven seconds into the video, a biker performs a “brake check:” In moving traffic, he pulls his motorcycle up to a few feet in front of the Range Rover then, looking at the rear of his bike and the front of the car, he slows down until his rear tire contacts the car’s front bumper.

The Post picks up the scene:

“One biker then pulled directly in front and slowed down, forcing the SUV to stop, and the others converged on the Range Rover, laying their bikes down on the pavement to block the vehicle.

“The panicked dad then gunned the engine and ran over several bikes before speeding off with the pack in hot pursuit, police sources said Monday.”


With bikers signaling to each other, the high speed pursuit continued for another 50 blocks until “during one of the stops, one of the bikers slashed one or more tires on the SUV, forcing the driver to exit at West 178th Street in Washington Heights,” said the Post.

Finally, stuck in traffic on West 178th between Wadsworth and St. Nicholas avenues, the bikers surrounded the SUV, and several men attacked the vehicle with their fists and helmet, breaking at least one window. The bikers slashed the father’s tires while one opened the driver’s door and tried to pull the terrified dad out, sources said. The Range Rover came to a stop there because of heavy traffic and the deflated tires.

The video stops. The Post continues: “The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child. The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.”


The video quickly went viral, with some people insisting that one or two of the bikers were “white or Hispanic,” despite the police report to the contrary. While others chastised the driver for antagonizing the bikers.

Despite initial reports that one biker sustained minor injuries, later it was learned the rapper Jay Meezee is hospitalized and may be paralyzed after the SUV allegedly ran him over.

Meezee’s father is a prominent Boston-area Hispanic evangelical minister. But his son’s appearance and music are racially ambiguous: The lyrics – and his frequent appearances on black radio–are full of N-Bombs and contain stories of prison, drug addiction, violence and life “in the hood.”

He also appears in several videos with large groups of motorcycles tearing through downtown streets. His motorcycle helmet brags he is “reckless.” And his pictures display him proudly showing off concrete burns typical of injuries received in motorcycle accidents.



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  • pcmustgo

    Racially ambiguous? How about Mulatto

    • dukem1

      “one drop”…no ambiguity.

    • robinbishop34

      Mulatto = black

    • Yale2001

      Several people have acted surprised by black/Hispanic bikers. This is actually becoming pretty common. My uncle used to have a surf shop in Daytona. During a black bike week he lost half of his items to theft. The next year he closed the shop. Bikers complained that closing the shops were racist and they tore his (and many other owners) boards down and vandalized their shops. There is no winning if too many blacks show up at one location. NONE.

  • pcmustgo

    And just a few days back, a “homeless man” stabbed at least 4 people in a NYC park, including a toddler… I’m assuming he’s black… until I hear otherwise.

    • negrolocaust

      he is black all victims including the baby are white.

      • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

        I was wondering about that, could you link to some more information?

        • Voice of Reason

          see cbs new york

        • Spartacus

          This is the article from CofCC :

      • pcmustgo

        wrong, the victims are asian

        • pcmustgo

          Oh, woops, different story, you are right I guess

    • redfeathers

      You’re right, the stabber is black. Mentally ill according to the police. Almost all “random” attacks on whites here in NYC are characterized that way. Local media have moved on from that story to the biker story. Never a mention of race.

    • saxonsun

      He’s black.

  • pcmustgo

    Well at least cops will go after like 50 black thugs who shouldn’t be on the street in this case… I’m assuming they will all get charged with something.

    • A Freespeechzone

      I’m not so sure about that—I’d bet they will focus on the driver’s liability for the paralyzed thug and prosecute him first.

    • negrolocaust

      i just heard they did not charge the biker who beat him

  • pcmustgo

    I wonder why they picked this guy, why they decided to do a “brake check” like that…

    • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

      They wanted to stop traffic so they could do motorcycle stunts on the highway, that’s why they had helmet cams. to record the tricks they do. The Asian man probably didn’t understand the situation, and wanted to get away from them when really they wanted him behind the pack.
      As a motorcycle rider myself; the bikers in the video should have their bikes confiscated, and licenses revoked.

      • Anon

        Revoked? How about shot.

      • cablegirls

        The bikers just ahead of Cruz had fanned across the roadway and left an empty gap of several hundred yards in front of them. It does appear they wanted to stop all traffic — on the West Side Highway! — and use the empty space ahead to do their stunts. Such an open space couldn’t have been made available on the city streets — thus, they tried to commandeer an entire direction of a major highway.

    • Keep Honkin I’m Reloading

      “I wish you would”

    • 1stworlder

      they may have wanted to rob/carjack him, gangbangers have done things like pushing empty strollers into the street to get people to stop.

  • D.B. Cooper

    Mad Max is coming to our country. Not only that, a lot of bikers will be meeting the same fate we saw at the end of Easy Rider

    • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

      My advice, buy a 4×4 with good ground clearance, things are about to get interesting.

      • leftists are delusional

        Get a good solid bumper/grill guard combo and always remember:

        If something goes south –
        Put it in 4wd in case something gets wedged under the vehicle
        Using the back bumper to strike lowers the chance of damaging the radiator, which you do not want to do in this type of situation.

        Have a high capacity back up plan if escape is not an option.

        • cablegirls

          And ALWAYS leave at least a car’s length of space between your vehicle and the one in front of you when stopping at a red light or anywhere else in a questionable neighborhood, even in broad daylight. If you’re then blocked from behind and approached, you can angle out and punch it.

          Also, in that scenario, if the car in front of you puts it in reverse you can expect he’s part of the team and wants to squeeze you in. Punch it fast, even if you have to scrape that front car — why else would he be backing up?

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            NEVER drive with your doors unlocked like this guy did.

            Don’t leave valuables in view on the seat — computer bags, iPhones, purses, etc.

            I used to think these things were only required in so-called “bad parts of town” — like the projects I have to drive through regularly to get to my job. Now I think it is wise advice for everyone to follow everywhere and at all times.

          • Jesse James

            Are you sure his doors were unlocked? Most late model cars lock automatically around 15 mph. More likely they reached in and opened the door after breaking out his window.

    • Pelagian

      You’re right. And so much of America reminds me of futurist movies now, it’s incredible. Escape from New York comes to mind a lot. Also Twilight Zone episodes and the bad part of It’s a Wonderful Life in small town America (as in the boarded up Mayberry-esque storefronts and lack of people).

  • CharlesFinley

    The AG semi-groid will see that these “citizens” are not held accountable.

  • MekongDelta69

    …And, b/c of that:

    DA: Bike assault thug ‘won’t be charged at this time’

    Ain’t it great to be an ‘oppressed minority’? You can think, say or do anything you want, and you will NOT be held accountable.

  • David Ashton

    The sadism of some biker gangs is well-documented, including white ones.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    I heard about this attack, and I have to say they are damn lucky that man was not armed or the kind of man I am when threatened. I would have gone out of my way to smash them between my vehicle and anything else near me, run them down, kill them in his shoes given their threatening and provocative behavior that not only instigated the situation, but escalated it to a life and death confrontation. His wife and child were in tow, what was he going to do? That’s right, protect his family, just as every white man has the right, and the duty to do.

  • Spartacus

  • joesolargenius

    Does any body know what the Victims true sin was ,(he was unarmed) if he had just showed a gun they would have ran the other way!

  • MekongDelta69

    Does any body know what the Victims true sin was…

    Yeah – He was not black or brown…

  • Luca

    The SUV had every right to fear for this life and his family’s life. He had every right of self defense or to seek flight from the bikers.

    All these legal rights will mean nothing in the court of MSM propaganda. He’ll be labeled as a White-Asian racist.

  • pcmustgo

    Wrong, Alex Lien is an ASIAN… the bikers were almost all black, mixed with some pr’s…

  • bigone4u

    DAs are elected. There are more of us than there are bikers. If the DA won’t indict, he/she is out.

    The Latino biker gangs in Texas and California are dangerous.. Pickup drivers with gun racks in the back window are spared their hassling, as are mean looking redneck types like me in my big red Ford E-150 van. Hell, I could have an arsenal of grenades in the back. These psychopaths respect the threat of force and wimpy little Asian guys just don’t project that. If I knew the little guy, I would be working him and his wife on race realism as soon as he began recovering. Work any Asians you know into opposing more Mexican immigrants.

    • Northerner

      Being law abiding is not a sign of weakness.

    • Chris Granzow XI

      I have a feeling that this asian guy was probably like that sikh who thought that white people were to blame for everything….that is until reality hit him in the face (literally).

    • Whitetrashgang

      All the Asians( Koreans, east Indians, Chinese, etc) that I have met are all race realists from the get go. There the last people you have to convince.

  • Gislia Jackson

    Hell’s Angels will not mess with you unless you mess with them. I have known a lot of them over the years. I would not want to be one, but they will not hurt you unless you do damage to them. Black gangs are different.

    • Pelagian

      But you have to be fluent in biker-ese, probably. And if you arent … it could have fatal consequences.

    • evilsandmich

      I’ve been by local bars when they have bike night and all I can say is “oh nos, the terror of middle aged white guys who’d rather buy a Harley than play golf!”

  • Truthseeker

    If you saw a large group of blacks surrounding your car for no apparent reason, wouldn’t you panic too?

    • I wouldn’t panic. I would kill them all in complete calm.

    • 1stworlder

      I sure as hell wouldn’t slow down for a break check.

      • Drop it a gear and floor it.

      • CoweringCoward

        I would have wondered why this “biker” decided to verify the integrity of my front bumper.

      • CoweringCoward

        And after the first sight of mob violence, they would have just handed me a license to kill, and good god I would have until no bikes followed me. No way would I have goofed and exited to surface roads. I would have had a gun anyway. Had it in my hand thinking a monkey smash was coming my way earlier today in fact. My aspiring “Trayvon” had jumped out of a hooptie in the next lane at a red light, lucky for him he was checking something on the side of his car.

        • Zaporizhian Sich

          Agreed, I would have started running them down, or swerving to crush them against concrete barriers, other vehicles or anything else that is handy. I would not have stopped, I would have accelerated to 100 mph or more to get the attention of police, take as many of them down with me, or both.

          • CoweringCoward

            Another thing I was just thinking, bikes AIN’T got reverse. Come to a stop, the bikes have to stop, back yourself a clear swath.

  • pcmustgo

    200 complaints were made to police that afternoon by citizens about the Hollywood Stunz

  • GB101

    No need to report the race of the bikers. We all knew it.

  • Greg S

    Hooray for the Asian Zimmerman, another hero of mine. Just didn’t run over enough of them.

  • So CAL Snowman

    Hell I want an M249 LMG and full head to toe body armor plus copious amounts of incendiary, flash bang, and smoke grenades.

    • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

      Until you try to relocate your firing position in all that stuff. In a fire fight it’s best to be maneuverable, one plate carrier, one modern sporting rifle/30 round mags, and a lot off ammo is all you really need, and maybe some water.

    • Brian

      My wishlist is a customized, armed drone with night vision.

  • Keep Honkin I’m Reloading

    Classic example of the bantu “I wish you would” attitude.

  • Keep Honkin I’m Reloading


  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    As one who has raced and otherwise enjoyed riding motorcycles, being a vintage motorcycle rider and enthusiast, I am particularly angry at this situation. Even the Hell’s Angels never did this sort of thing. In fact, compared to these guys, the Hell’s Angels are angels! But seriously, these baboons on bikes comprise a new kind of terrorism, a flash mob on two wheels. It’s bad enough that these sport bike goons zip around, a danger to everyone, but particularly themselves, but now they are setting up confrontations with drivers.

    I don’t know if the initial incident of the bike slowing to get hit purposely was a ploy to exploit the driver’s insurance, but this used to be a common set up known as “swoop and stoop” that was part of many personal injury fraud rings that I saw operating while in practice in California. In these cases, immigrants knew darn well about insurance and how to exploit it. In fact, I quit my last job in California because it was a clinic that mostly served Hispanics and I discovered a huge fraud mill concerning Workmen’s Compensation Insurance. They even had “coyotes” that would bring in illegals, tell them to get a job and then get hurt. They directed them to the clinic and were told that as long as they came for treatment, they would make sure the illegal got a state check for disability for life. I QUIT because I didn’t want to be part of it and if you continue to work at such a place after knowing about it, you are also guilty of that fraud. This may have been a version of “swoop and stoop” gone wrong.

    Also, the fellow biker filming the whole thing was either against what was happening or a real Id$ot. The film clearly shows the bike slowing down to get clipped intentionally.

    Now, these crooks and gang bangers have invaded the world of motorcycling. The good thing is that if you do carry while riding, it is very difficult to pull your weapon, due to all the gear you must remove or deal with first.

    I hope they make a really harsh example of these guys before this trend gets started. Opened war on the streets, that what it looks like to me.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    “Cops busted the psycho biker who allegedly intentionally started the confrontation.”

    Here are a few videos pulled from the guy’s YouTube account which he has now removed because it shows the behavior of the group before the incident with the Range Rover.

    http://www // liveleak // com/view?i=3cd_1380579664

    “The commissioner said police had been monitoring the ride — loosely organized by a group that calls itself Hollywood Stuntz.”

    Then why didn’t you do anything about it, commissioner? I read where there were numerous complaints called into the police about this same group before the incident?

    Where’s the mayor.. Oh, that’s right, he’s…

    …Making sure you’re unarmed, unable to protect yourself and your loved ones and at the mercy of vicious, predatory marauders.

    Psycho-biker “reckless.”

    Alexian Lien after being pulled from the Range Rover, beaten and slashed.


    • sshadow

      Bon, if you ever get into a situation where somebody is banging on your drive’s side window meaning you harm, put it in reverse and turn to the extreme right and punch the accelerator hard and your little buddy will be under your engine being pounded to to insensibility. Practice this a few times in your mind and you won’t have to think it through when under duress. Have a nice day.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        When threatened by darkies in my car, I used the accelerator pedal to simultaneously return the favor and make my escape. In other words, I deliberately attempted to run down and kill them as I got away from gun wielding black thugs.

        • CoweringCoward

          Be careful as even 9mm luger punches right through our modern cars with ease. Best is to be demonstrating this fact to those outside your car. I prefer those expensive gold tip hollow points with the little radial divets, “when you care enough to send the very best”, should be their slogan.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            I agree, except I would prefer to send them the very best in .45 ACP. You are right though, nothing is too good for our non-white enemies.

          • CoweringCoward

            Being a true advocate of “diversity”, I do respect your choice of the ever popular .45ACP

          • CoweringCoward

            Then again as I have read and believe, whomever makes it thru the 1st mag swap 1st usually wins. Practice, practice, practice. In the case of mag swaps firing ammo is of course not required so there is NO excuse for not becoming totally snappy with mag swaps.

            Ok my thinking might be a little too rifle oriented, then again a pistols purpose is to give you a chance to get back to the rifle you should not have put down to begin with.

  • Party time is coming soon.

  • It’s everywhere, isn’t it? While it is true that black women are overrepresented in violence statistics across the nation, black men are like savants in the violent crime sphere of America. If someone were to tell you that so much violence and mayhem in America can be pinned to only six percent of the population, you really wouldn’t believe them unless you had lived around black people.

  • Dave4088

    Don’t worry, there won’t be a federal investigation since the bikers weren’t white. Blacks were never interested in motorcycles until the proliferation and popularization of white 1% biker gangs/clubs. Now the blacks have to get in on the action and ride motorcycles and act all tough.

    • Chris Granzow XI

      Exactly, I though I was the only one who noticed that. I grew up in Milwaukee, so everyone rides Harleys. When I was younger it was just middle-age white guys, but now days it seems like more blacks are doing it trying to act like white bikers.

      • Pelagian

        The trouble is, with a bunch of white bikers I would at least have a shred of a chance of talking them out of beating me up. But with Dominicans there is the language gap and culture gap even if they know a smattering of English. So I’m a dead duck.

        • Chris Granzow XI

          I’ve never seen white bikers act like this though……only on tv shows (gangland, sons of anarchy etc).

          • Dave4088

            I agree. I live in a city where each of the two major 1% clubs have chapters and they keep to themselves, never bother anyone and certainly haven’t performed “brake checks” on unsuspecting motorists.

    • Northerner

      because acting tough is just the domain of white bikers?

  • Chris Granzow XI

    Here’s a video of the “innocent victim” –> youtube. com/watch?v=e5dsbv_NDhg

  • bubo

    These are the same type that roll into Myrtle Beach every May and destroy property, loot businesses, fight, intimidate tourists, rob, rape and murder. When the business owners got tired of having their profits destroyed as well as their employees endangered and they decide to all go on vacation during the event the government steps in and under “civil rights” demands under threat of lawsuits that they remain open.

    The black bike week is a week long celebration of the ghetto on two wheels. It hurts tourism and business. Blacks are bad for business. The city loses because of the loss of tourism and the strain on local authorities and can do nothing about it. The FEDS will step in and sue the city if they cancel the event. It’s goddamned tyranny.

    Meanwhile, in Daytona a second white bike week in October was enacted several years ago because the event is such a huge success to local business and tourism. It brings in several hundreds of millions of dollars to the local economy.

    • Greg S

      Yep. Restaurant owners get sued every year for closing during this mayhem.

  • I once took long-distance trips with friends in a truck with two guys. We once slept at a rest-stop in the Texas panhandle, and we each slept on top of a picnic table with a registered submachinegun. Bikers never bothered us. Nobody ever bothered us.

  • Boris McGuffin

    Anyone see the charming video today at Liberty Unyielding? It shows two ladies eating lunch at one table. At the table next to them are three females. One is about 7 years old. One of the “adults” at this second table tells the 7 year old something, and the little girl walks right over and steals a phone from one of the ladies eating at the first table. When the girl returns with the phone, her and the two “adult” females get up and leave before being found out.

    It was an interracial crime. I’ll leave it to you to see if you can guess what two races were involved, and which was the victim, and which was the perpetrator.

    Think hard, now. It’s a tough call, and quite shocking.

  • newscomments70

    Citizens’ militias need to take over as law enforcement. The government either refuses to protect us or they side with the criminals.

    • jackryanvb

      Not in NYC. The NYPD has beenverygood, best in nation. We’ll see if this all changes if this race mixing Sandinista loving Lib loon gets elected mayor of NYC.

  • Magician

  • Anon

    There are no puerto ricans in New York City to any appreciable degree. They now live only two places in the US. Puerto Rico and Orlando. Actual race maps shows this quite clearly.

  • Earl Turner

    Any convergence of blacks is mayhem.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    The ruling elites are insane, because sooner of later the un-civilized will come gunning for them. Barbarians can and do organize to overthrow and kill off the ruling class, and the thugs taking over our streets have no loyalty to anyone or anything other than themselves. Those who shall not be named do however play us off against each other, and this is one way how they do it. But it no longer works because we know who the enemy is, and where to find him.

    • Whitetrashgang

      Well the problem is it is working.It will stop working when every illegal alien is deported.

  • Northerner

    Asians don’t drive poorly. There are no definitive statistics anywhere that indicate they’re involved in more accidents or fatalities than anyone else. In fact, I’d wager the opposite, given their lower prevalence of alcoholics and less risk-taking in general. It’s an example of a false stereotype. As for black biker gangs, I’m sure they’re around, but for sure a minority compared to the number of white biker clubs. Both try to act tough.

    • Batterytrain

      Nope there are statistics that state without a doubt that Asians are some of the worst drivers and are responsible for a large number of accidents disproportionately. MY own personal experience has confirmed this on numerous occasions, there is a reason why stereotypes exist it’s because a lot of it is true.

      You obviously have not been around alot of Asians or been to Asian countries to see their atrocious driving skills. You must a Mongoloid Chingook yourself judging from that comment.

      • Northerner

        There aren’t any legit stats. Your sample size of one doesn’t count.

        • Batterytrain

          Nope there are stats and even if it was purely anecdotal does not mean that it isn’t true idiot, if anything it proves again that they are bad drivers which they are due to their slit eyes.

  • jackryanvb

    Cruiser MC biker “clubs” are very White. Crotch rocket street bike “gangs” are Black.

    What’s the moral of this story?

    A: White cruiser MC “clubs” are good. Black crotch rocket street MC”gangs” are bad.

    In White English – “bad” does not mean “good”.

    Any questions?

  • Johnny99

    True, but mostly the violence is between HA and Mongols, Outlaws, Banditos, et. al. Very rarely is it deliberately directed at civilians. Yes, there is collateral damage, but generally civilians are not targeted unless they do something that the 1%’ers have a very low tolerance for.

  • Johnny99

    Most major urban areas have this same issue. Blacks on dirt bikes, quads, and crotch rockets playing stunt man on inner city streets and local highways. Tons of vids on You Tube. Most police depts. have an unwritten rule of non interference. Mostly because it’s somewhat futile to try and catch them in city traffic and partly because chases end up with the miscreant dead, the city and police dept. facing a wrongful death suit, aka ghetto lottery and the race hustlers clamoring about ray-cism. Baltimore, Philly, and NYC are hotspots. So, eventually, this is the result.

    • The Colorado Springs police have a helicopter that sees a lot of use tracking these creeps on Friday and Saturday nights.

  • Kit Ingoldby

    A pack of filthy animals.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    No, but it can run them off the road, or better yet, off a bridge.

  • Gislia Jackson

    You are right. I oversimplified things. I have never myself had an altercation with a Hell’s Angel, and all that I have met have been edgy, but non aggressive. However–if you inadvertently piss them off you will pay, like Hunter Thompson did.

  • mike

    Well, he ain’t going to be “reckless” no more. Going to be creeping around in a wheel chair. Guys like him are always stunned there are actually consequences to being “reckless” as he calls it. Stupid, as others call it.


      Or simply just being black, as I call it.

  • Thaddeus Stevens

    Asians are perhaps bad drivers in the sense of causing minor accidents etc, I think Northerner is right, however, when he says they are less likely to be involved in the high speed, criminal recklessness end of traffic offenses.

  • Jeff O

    Blacks need to be policed aggressively. It’s an immutable law of urban existence. Mayor Rudy Giuliani imposed tough but reasonable anti-crime measures, including Stop & Frisk, largely aimed at blacks, and crime went down. Now, 20 years later, Stop & Frisk is ruled unconstitutional, and NYC is poised to elect a self hating white hard core leftist as mayor. So, liberal NYC can expect more batteries, armed robberies, rapes, and murders.

  • Greg S

    Score 1 for the British made Land Rover. Bantu detector should have told him to throw it in reverse, and get a two for one deal.
    Steel wheel occupant is now another Obama Care patient.

  • Greg S

    Myrtle Beach Sport Bike Week

  • sergeantcuinn

    I was traveling to NY through Hartford on the interstate and a group of bikers drove up next to me in the passing lane and one of them scratched his boot mark down the side of my car, like someone would “key” a car, we were traveling 60 mph. What is this insanity? The colors on the back of the leather jacket was the same as seen in the video, a winged creature of some kind. Anyone recognize it?

  • IanJMacDonald

    And why don’t you own one already?

  • Jesse James

    Did anybody else catch the Drudge followup link to this incident that says one of the black MC members who was present at the beating was a black off-duty NYPD officer? Evidently several members of this black MC are cops of one kind or another. Gives a new meaning to Bros before Ho’s or Changs or whatever.

  • CoweringCoward

    Well, if weight is no issue, then I would just take the CAR with duplexed 30’s hanging off it.

    After all pistols are just to buy you the chance to get back to the rifle you should not have left in the 1st place.(IMHO)