Apple, Twitter and Tech’s Middle-Aged White Guy Problem

Lauren Lyster, Yahoo! Finance, October 24, 2013

Anyone who watched the Apple (AAPL) keynote this week (if you’re me) couldn’t help but notice that it was a parade of middle-aged white guys who came on stage to reveal the company’s latest and greatest.

And Twitter, ahead of it’s planned IPO next month, has come under fire for the makeup of its board of directors: all white men. The executive team isn’t much better (all men except for the general counsel).

And lest it seems like we’re picking on Twitter and Apple, the lack of women and minorities in leadership and director roles at tech companies is a broader problem.

As The New York Times reports: About 49 percent of publicly traded information technology businesses have no women on their boards, compared with 36 percent of the 2,770 largest public companies in the country, according to GMI Ratings, a research firm.

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One common argument is that there simply aren’t enough qualified women and minorities in tech to fill these roles. The numbers (focusing on women) seem to support that.

According to the research firm Catalyst which studies women and business, only 5.7% of employed women in the US work in the computer industry, and only about 2% of women have a degree in a high-tech field.

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And the push for diversity is not just rooted in political correctness. Studies reveal that diversity has a real value for companies.

Again, to cite the New York Times: McKinsey & Company found that the companies with more women on their corporate boards far outperformed the average company in return on equity and other measures. Operating profit was 56 percent higher.

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  • D.B. Cooper

    Does she really believe this horse manure, or does she need to turn in this week’s assignment? Hell, I have a Yahoo account. I need to make my presence known on the original article. I’m preaching to the choir here.

    • Jkjljmt_Pqprpstt

      Her “thirty pieces of silver” is no excuse for White Genocide.

      J.P.

      • Lagerstrom

        Just doing her job…for a hell of a lot more than thirty pieces of silver.

    • Jesse_from_Sweden

      Wrote about it before.

      Yes, large and succesful companies have more “diversity” on their boards, just as succesful and rich countries have more “diversity” in them as well.

      But what came first, the chicken or the egg?

      Large and succesful companies come under a lot of pressure to “diversify” their board or else get some heavy flak from media and other sources that will hurt their business. So a large and succesful company creates a “diverse” board, it is not a “diverse” board that creates a large and succesful company.

      Same thing with modern, rich western countries and “diversity”. They did not get rich and technologically advanced through “diversity”, instead they got diversity after they got rich and as a result of being rich.

    • sbuffalonative

      Hey toots. How many of these companies were started by women and minorities? Explain to me how these companies became so successful up to this point without women and minorities. Are there any companies founded by women and minorities that are either over or under represented by minorities and do they benefit or suffer from middle-age white guys?

      Just another girl who believes her ideas are relevant.

      • TheAntidote

        She’s cool! She’s hip! She’s in your face! She’s come a long way, baby……and she’s full of crap.

        Anybody who wants evidence of the kind of work women and minorities can do in the Tech field or its business end, have simply to take a look at the Obamacare Website fiasco. If women and minorities take over Tech we’ll all be communicating with smoke signals and shards of mirrors.

  • There is a tech middle aged white man problem…the problem is that outside of management, there are hardly any middle aged white men. Bounced out for Asians and subcontinental H-1Bs.

    • Oil Can Harry

      No wonder Zuckerberg and his slimy ilk want open borders; so they can hire more cheap nonunion labor.

      I wish these dorks would pause to consider the Third World warzone their kids and grandkids will be living in.

      • Gang Bangers of Eight has a vast increase in H-1B and similar visas.

      • Le Fox

        Naw, he just wants more friends on Facebook!

  • Oil Can Harry

    Why don’t women and nonwhites start up their own tech firms and hire their own kind?

    That’ll happen shortly after Santa Claus brings me a pet unicorn for Christmas.

    • Le Fox

      Exactly.

      As a chick myself, I’d rather have my stuff built by those outdated white guys than a fellow woman or minority. Counterfeiting’s done by them, you know.

      • Katherine McChesney

        I like it better when White men are in charge.

        As they say Affirmative Action is a HOAX.

    • Lagerstrom

      They either can’t or they’re not really interested; what exactly is the problem that little Lauren is trying to point out anyway? Maybe Lauren’s asked Santa for a unicorn this Christmas…

  • libertarian1234

    “Management team would be “better” with fewer white men.”
    And it is these same white men in management who are responsible for inundating non-whites into their companies, thinking the path to job security is in bowing to non-white hordes and appearing unbiased.
    They also like to increase their bottom lines with illegal immigrants who they can underpay and cheat so they can drive a second Mercedes.
    True justice would be to replace them with imports from India.

    • Extropico

      These guys are not the real power players; they are second tier to the money printers. Were we in charge, we’d demand an end to unilateral immigration and enforce equitable takeover of Third World countries in exchange for all this migration into White nations.

  • MekongDelta69

    The ‘usual’ from the leftist Yahoo! site.

    Well, Mzzzzz. Lauren Lyster, you march your feminazi self right up to those CEOs and demand – demand that they fire all the straight, white males (who had the intelligence to create those sites), and replace all of them with nothing but people from every ‘oppressed’ group of the month club ASAP.

    I’ll break your fall as they throw you right out of the door…

  • Spartacus

    “And the push for diversity is not just rooted in political correctness.
    Studies reveal that diversity has a real value for companies.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    And proof of that is… Where ?

    • Luca

      I was dying to hear the logic, statistics, examples, evidence and results on that one.

      Alas, it remains unexplained and elusive. But it must exist because everyone tells me so. Unless of course they’re all liars.

      • Lagerstrom

        I’d like to know the evidence too. People like our Lauren just say that it’s ‘there’, that’s good enough for them. People like her live in the land of make-believe.

      • Sick of it

        Don’t waste a moment of thought on the subject as the people claiming that diversity has some sort of tangible value for a company ARE all liars. Racial differences and different sexual equipment by themselves really don’t bring anything in particular to the table.

        • Brian

          When a company gets to a certain size and goes public with a board of directors, they need to engage in politics and PR, or someone else will. That’s when they bring in the Diversity, for appearance’s sake. Need some show ponies for the marketing brochures and to keep the gov’t Diversity Police/EEOC off their backs. They treat it as just another tax/cost of doing business, and it’s a constant drain on productivity/cohesion. As far as what built the company and got it to that point…different story.

          • Sick of it

            Before the more modern practice of diversifying boards or corporate officers, companies simply targeted certain demographics through advertising, which is a cheaper approach as it does not detract from productivity.

          • Brian

            That is the rational approach, but we live in the age of Disparate Impact, and the Diversity Gestapo is hungry. Blacks can’t pass the firefighter’s written test? Hire them anyway! And if someone burns to death in a fire, well, that’s the price we’re expected to pay.

    • Extropico

      Those Japanese, South Koreans and Chinese will never be able to manufacture anything that anybody will buy. They are too racist and sexist to succeed. Brazil is the key to the future of high tech with its large population of brown 85 IQ people.

    • A better question is “which studies are these?” I would like to know the names of the authors and which peer-reviewed journals published them.

  • Jkjljmt_Pqprpstt

    No “anti-racists” say a 100% Black area needs more diversity.

    No “anti-racists” say a 100% Asian area needs more diversity.

    No “anti-racists” say a 100% Muslim area needs more diversity.

    According to “anti-racists”, they are already 100% diverse.

    They say ALL & ONLY White area need to be more diverse, and that White areas only stop needing to be more diverse when there are no White people left in them.

    Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

    • Son of Galton

      100% diverse means 0% White

  • D.B. Cooper

    I looked up Lauren Lyster to see who we’re dealing with, and I found LEGS, lots and lots, and lots of legs. In fact, 80% of her images are legs, and the other 20% are of her pretty face. Do us a favor Lauren, just sit up there in your mini skirts and look pretty, really pretty, because that’s what THE WHITE MAN hired you for!

    • D.B. Cooper

      What a punishing chore that was, looking through all of those images.
      Well, someone had to do it.

    • Lagerstrom

      I haven’t even heard her talk yet, nor will I.

    • Talltrees

      Ever notice legs and low cut sleeveless mini dresses are a priority at Fox. It helps to be blonde.

    • RT is “Russia Today” and is as or more liberal than MSNBC.

      • Tim_in_Indiana

        In fairness, though, they did have Jared Taylor on a couple of times.

        • Did not know that.

    • CoweringCoward

      Agreed, she is hot, but it’s “hard” to get wood with someone who has only contempt for you.

    • Brian

      Man, I want to respect her really hard now. 😉

  • Jkjljmt_Pqprpstt

    Anyone who watched the Apple (AAPL) keynote this week (if you’re me) couldn’t help but notice that it was a parade of middle-aged white guys who came on stage

    Sounds like an anti-white (sociopath) to me.

  • Nathanwartooth

    “And the push for diversity is not just rooted in political correctness. Studies reveal that diversity has a real value for companies.”

    You say that but you also say that the most successful tech companies have no women on their boards.

    So please tell me, how much more profit can Apple expect to make each year with more women? 10%? 20%? Or is it the kind of value that doesn’t come in dollar form?

    • Jesse James

      The real value they produce is maybe, maybe if you hire enough of the useless diversity hires they just might decide not to sue your company…or maybe they will no matter what you do.

      • Nathanwartooth

        Ah yes, the “benefits” of diversity is that they wont form a lynch mob and burn down your company if you hire enough of them.

      • Diversity hires diversity and then they just collect paychecks.

  • Jesse James

    Yes but better for whom? ahh I see foreigners, non-whites and women.

    • Extropico

      Better for foreigners and non-whites in the medium term; for white women the victory will be Pyrrhic as they will be ousted when whites become a minority and they will increasingly find it difficult to find satisfactory, employed white male suitors.

  • dd121

    IT is made up of mostly white males. White women hate the work and blacks simply don’t have the IQ. Lauren, are you really that stupid?

    • D.B. Cooper

      Look at those pictures I posted of her. Do you really think she was hired for her brains?

  • ncpride

    I despise women like Lauren. These White males she loves to bash BUILT these companies from the ground up, made them very successful, and nitwits like Lauren and others have the audacity to practically demand they hire ‘diversity’ or hand over what they have created. Well to hell with you Lauren and the rest of you whining, pathetic crybabies. Build your own damn companies if you can, and take your anti-White male bashing and shove it where the sun don’t shine.

    • D.B. Cooper

      What I would like to see (literally?) is Lauren herself get replaced by a diversity.
      That would be perfect karma for a femnazi like Lauren to get replaced by a younger (where it really hurts women over 25) diversity with nice legs. I suggest the Japanese variety.

      • ncpride

        What I would like to see is these very White males fight back against this nitwit, and all the others who criticize them seemingly just for being White, male, and successful. No one would EVER write such ‘racist’ nonsense about a successfully run non-white, or an all female run company. Why do we let them get away with such blatant attacks on our race?

    • JackKrak

      “……( I ) couldn’t help but notice that it was a parade of middle-aged white guys
      who came on stage to reveal the company’s latest and greatest.”

      Yeah, and I couldn’t help but notice that every single invention, innovation breakthrough, discovery, etc. that we depend on in the modern world was brought to us by a parade of white guys.

      I’m gonna go ahead and guess that the same writer will never notice what the parade of blacks brings to the rest of us.

      • ncpride

        I think we all know if the parade of people on that stage were mostly women or black males, little miss Laurens dialog on this article would have been the complete opposite of this drivel. She would have been full of gushing, glowing commentary about how wonderful and brilliant they are, and she would never in a million years have criticized the lack of ‘diversity’ for those groups. Lauren has been trained for many years to have contempt for White men, and ONLY White men……..it matters not to her that they are her own kind, and all the other wonderful things this demographic has accomplished. After all, they were only able to do those things because of their ‘White Privilege’.

        • Brian

          I don’t hear anyone criticizing Spanx for being run by women entrepreneurs.

    • CoweringCoward

      VERY well said.

    • Katherine McChesney

      The worst supervisors I’ve ever had were women. I’d love to blow the whistle on one in particular, a woman who was a dominant figure in the Nashville music business, but she’s dead now and I’ve decided to move on from that unfortunate experience.

      • Brian

        My best boss and worst boss were both women. The best was older, smart and a shrewd judge of talent and character. Also a good delegator without too much ego… a pleasure to work for in every way. She pushed me out of my comfort zone, was encouraging and got the best out of everyone.

        The worst was younger than me, got everything handed to her through nepotism, and barely knew the job, while spending at least an hour a day browsing pregnancy websites. She felt threatened when a subordinate came up with an idea she couldn’t bogart the credit for, and so when presented with options A & B, she would prefer the opposite of the one we favored, every damn time, to put her stamp on it.

  • Lewis33

    Bit of the old schadenfreude here, as you know these “middle aged white guys” donate thousands to the wrong people to be seen at the right parties…

  • Le Fox

    Gender studies. It HAD to be gender studies.

    Well, why didn’t she break the memo and study computer science herself? What would her response be?

    “Oh, it’s too hard for me…BUT WOMEN ARE MADE FOR IT, DAMMIT!”

    • Brian

      In my comp sci classes it was about 15-20% women, about half from Asia. They were just as good as the men who made it to that point, and i don’t think anyone would hold gender against them. A company wants profit and the most qualified. The places I’ve worked don’t care if you’re a pot-smoking purple Martian tranny, as long as you get ‘er done. But there’s never going to be gender parity in that field– it takes a certain mindset that is not exclusive to men, but men gravitate more toward it.

  • Le Fox

    “Only 2% of women have a degree in the high-tech field” – That’s high because of AA. It’d be ZERO if the hiring was fair.

    • Jefferson

      Why would it be zero percent ? Do White women on average have a low I.Q ? Is White intelligence overwhelmingly limited to White males ?

      • NorthernWind

        It’s well known that these differences are primarily due to sex differences in personality and interests, and not IQ.

        • Alexandra1973

          Agreed. While I know how to piece together a computer and know a tiny bit about computer programming (I was messing around with BASIC when I was 11), I don’t have much of an interest in it, just enough to keep my computer running…and download mods for my Sims games (and have lily-white neighborhoods).

          Personally I’m a bit fascinated with languages and how they evolved. I also like arts and crafts. Sims 3 gives you the option of recoloring everything in game when you create a house…and I can spend hours on the decor if I’m designing a house. It’s what interests me.

          I had been considering going into the service when I was 18 (glad I didn’t now that I look back–I had been looking into being in the military band since I was in the high school marching band)…at any rate I took the ASVAB and qualified for just about everything–I remember my parents were pretty impressed with my score. I was in honors math in school…but I wasn’t really *interested* in math and had a hard time paying attention. I think I was the only student in my school to take two languages. I had Spanish all through junior and senior high school, and in my senior year I took French for the heck of it.

          Conclusion: I’m more hard-wired for languages and arts than for math and things like that. It doesn’t bother me. I see it as part of being female.

          • D.B. Cooper

            WHat?? You don’t allow black sims to multiply either?
            I got Sims 2 way back when I bought my older computer in 2007. Since I’m not paying big bucks to get Photoshop and Access on my 2012 computer, I still have the old one for that reason. If I didn’t have all of the expansions and a ton of custom content, I think I would’ve stopped playing Sims 2 after only a few hours.
            What does Sims 2 have to do with Amren? Read on and see how it all fits in. I played a little Sims 3, but I didn’t like it. Mainly because the genetics are all wrong, and it’s harder to hack into for all of the adult stuff that kept my interest. I learned a lot about WinZip, Photoshop, and other useful computer skills from playing that game all those years ago.
            Sims 2 is pretty faithful to the genetic rules of dominant and recessive genes. With the SimPE, you can get in and alter things like skill levels, occupation, age, interests, and DNA.
            If you create a sim, then they have two sets of the exact same DNA, as in if you make a brown haired sim, he has two brown hair genes. That means every single one of his kids will have either black (if he marries a dark haired lady), or brown. With the SimPE, I changed “my” DNA to have a brown and red hair (my mom’s color), plus a blue and green for eyes.
            Since I wanted to immediately identify all of my descendants (I have a mod that merged all neighborhoods), “I” married a half alien with green skin. I zeroed on her because her mother was a Marilyn Monroe custom I downloaded from somewhere. Sims 2 only has 4 skin tones: dark (Africans and Mid East), medium (mostly Hispanics, mulattos, and some whites), light (whites and Asians, some Hispanics), and alien green(!). Marilyn came with a porcelain pale skin tone, which can be passed down to offspring, and has the same strength as alien green. This may act as a nullifier. The only way a half alien is NOT green is if they inherited the custom pale white. Otherwise, all it takes is one alien skin gene to be green.
            So, 5 of “my” kids were custom pale, and I had one green daughter. None of them got my regular light skin color, but all of them were carriers. I married the girls off to the richest sims with the biggest mansions. If you played the game, you probably know who the husbands were. My male descendants married the remaining aliens the game, all females. That old alien was my “wife’s” father, and his blond but green son married a Jessica Simpson download who brought custom eyes, and the D cup to my family tree. I downloaded several celebrity women, each had unique genes not in the game, to be wives for my male descendants.
            Eventually, you can tell my sim family from the ordinary sims because they were much more attractive than regular sims, even the ones who were green wee either pretty or handsome. These green sims, as long as they are half human, can have 100% human children
            Theoretically speaking, if these green human hybrid sims really existed, and arrived on Earth. I doubt they would face the discrimination blacks get. I would go so far as to suggest that 90% of non blacks would rather date and marry an exotic, yet strangely erotic, alien over a ‘groid. It’s all about IQ and what physical features people find attractive. The full blooded aliens are not attractive. They have no nose, and those big all black eyes. Granted, the aliens in my game are attractive, but look who I bred them with.
            I haven’t played it in at least 4 years, so I had long forgotten their names, but I still had some shots in the old computer’s folder.
            Top row, L to R: Summer Glau (Firefly, Sarah Connor Chronicles), her lookalike half alien daughter who got those one of a kind eyes. Jessica Simpson (Those eyes and body aren’t in the basic game), and her quarter alien daughter.
            Bottom row, L to R: a Barbie I downloaded then altered to have the porcelain skin and jaw dropping figure. Regular sim females tend to be B cup with no hips. “Barbie” was strictly for breeding purposes for my “son”. The redhead on the diving board is Barbie’s 1/8th alien daughter. The green has been bred out. The redhead with green skin is my “wife” and our youngest, a son. I didn’t want 6 kids, but my wife kept having girls. The brown haired boy married the Barbie, and passed his mom’s red hair to his daughter.

          • Alexandra1973

            I’ve got SimPE. Fun to play with genetics, isn’t it?

            I know, it sucks how Sims 3 doesn’t follow the same genetic rules Sims 2 does. But if you use the in-game cheat and Edit Sim, you can change how they look. Just creates more “work” for you genetics-wise. If two blond Sims have a black-haired child (which CAN happen in the game), I just go in there and change it to blond. Sims 2, though, it’s more fun when you’re surprised. Dad has brown/red hair genes, Mom has blond, it’s fun to see what the kids wind up with.

            The Caliente sisters have quite the mix, don’t they? LOL

            For Sims 3 I have a mod called Master Controller (and a related Story Progression mod). I use that to “totally annihilate” any Sims I don’t want. This removes them completely from the game. I have to do a periodic purge but it takes a few seconds. Sims 3 “imports” Sims into your neighborhoods and I keep on top of that.

            I know in the game it really IS “just skin color,” but the danger there is people apply that to real life.

            If you’re on Mod the Sims, my user name is my real name.

          • D.B. Cooper

            For me, “Mod” is years ago. I would have to look through my sheet of user names and passwords to get back on. I was disappointed in Sims 3, and the mods (master controller) didn’t make it much better, so I stopped playing it. I had found a mod for Sims 2 that merged all six neighborhoods, colleges, the downtown, and the business district all together, so those Calientes can meet the likes of General Grunt.
            Still, playing my own family kept me from exploring the other families too much. When “I” died, I continued on with my “son”, until I had too many adult great grandchildren households to keep up with.
            The way blonds have dark haired kids is when they get a makeover, and you did not go through Sim PE and change the DNA. A trait is a long code of numbers and letters. The basics will be like twelve zeroes and a 1 for dark. That’s how I found out my celebrity downloads had unique DNA, and you can’t create them from scratch.
            In Sims 2, I think only the full aliens have an advantage in personality points, but no physical advantages.

          • Alexandra1973

            You’re talking about the Megahood. Never did that.

            I hope the soon-coming Sims 4 has the best of 2 and 3. Genetics like 2, open neighborhood like 3.

          • D.B. Cooper

            Sims 3, where they don’t even open the door to get in the car. Their faces looked too round, no matter how elongated you want them to look. I might give Sims 4 a shot, but after several expansion packs are available.

          • Katherine McChesney

            I’m hard-wired for arts and women’s interests,like sewing, decorating, watercoloring. But, my favorite job was working as a Copyright Director in Copyright Law at a music publishing business in Los Angeles. These days I spend time reading subversive material from my deceased father’s library.

      • ThomasER916

        IQ is neither aptitude nor interest.

  • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

    I followed my favorite music tech company on Facebook, and last year they posted a “Happy Holidays” picture of all 50 employees posed out on the front steps of their northern California headquarters. One black face, and two or three Asian females. First comment on the page, “hey, only ONE BROTHER in the entire company?!?” Second comment, from me, “That’s why their products are so good.” I dunno if there were any more, because after that they removed them all.

  • e2657383

    “Studies reveal that diversity has a real value for companies.”

    No it doesn’t. And if it did, you wouldn’t need to brainwash people to attempt to get them to believe that.

    • Erasmus

      Diversity has value only for poverty pimps, race hustlers and other parasites.

    • ThomasER916

      Those “studies” were paid for with tax dollars and had no incentive or consequences for being a complete lie.

  • willbest

    Those white guys pushed one company to be the largest market cap in the world with something like a 22% profit margin, and the other is about to receive a $10 billion market cap valuation in less than a decade from creation. I am sure all the shareholders are really butt hurt over the level of diversity in these companies.

  • So CAL Snowman

    “Again, to cite the New York Times:
    McKinsey & Company found that the companies with more women on
    their corporate boards far outperformed the average company in return on
    equity and other measures. Operating profit was 56 percent higher.”

    This is what we call LYING with statistics. I’m sure a multinational corporation that does billions of dollars in business is going to have better profit margins than some corporation that operates locally and does not do billions of dollars in sales. The fact that the multinational multi-billion dollar corporation has more women on the board of directors than the local corporation does not necessarily mean that women are responsible for the higher profit margins of the multinational corporation. It simply means that some corporations produce more revenue than others.

    • In very large established publicly traded corporations, some of the seats on the Boards of Directors are basically sinecures and political giveaways.

      That would be like saying that because Barbara Mikulski is in the Senate, that’s the reason why the Federal government collected $2.9 trillion in revenue last FY. (But don’t blame her for the deficit. Because…sexism.)

    • Extropico

      Arbitraging wage differentials between YT and the Third World pays better than honorably building a better mouse trap and selling it to your kinfolk. That the international corporations may have more wimminz or green toads is not the determinative factor for the greater profit margin.

  • APaige

    I bet the companies that have women on their boards are already rich and established. New companies do not have that ‘luxury.’ If women are not interested as much in the Tech field so be it. Also is Apple the most valuable company?

  • bigone4u

    “Again, to cite the New York Times: McKinsey & Company found that the companies with more women on their corporate boards far outperformed the average company in return on equity and other measures. Operating profit was 56 percent higher.”
    ___________________________________
    Moron Lauren got the cause and effect backward. Companies with higher profits can afford the luxury of AA appointments to the Board of Directors. Of course, the article wants you to believe that women magically make a company more profitable. If that were true the history books would be full of “robber barronesses” and not “robber barons.”

    • CoweringCoward

      That and these “diverse” companies get minority set asides too I would bet. So I am thinking your statement about inverse cause and effect is correct in more ways than said.

  • obot

    How many white women or brown people have started up tech companies? Maybe that’s the answer.

    • ncpride

      Don’t you know? They wait for White males to start them up, make them successful, then demand they hand them over to every ‘diversity’ on the planet ,or they are RACISTS! How dare these White males run their companies the way they see fit. Who do they think they are anyway?

  • Erasmus

    Wall Street will send Twitter’s IPO through the roof. The market will vote in favor of predominantly white management teams.

    You can falsely promote people through affirmative action, but everyone knows that they really can’t do the job. I will never trust myself to some affirmative action black or Mexican doctor, engineer or airline pilot.

  • Lagerstrom

    Journalism and gender studies. She should never have been let loose on the long-suffering American public.

  • JohnEngelman

    And the push for diversity is not just rooted in political correctness. Studies reveal that diversity has a real value for companies.

    – Lauren Lyster, Yahoo! Finance, October 24, 2013

    This is only true when standards are not compromised.

    • ThomasER916

      It’s never true.

      NASA was the most anti-Diversity place on earth. Now it’s a Muslim Outreach program.

      • JohnEngelman

        Before affirmative action blacks had to be at least as good as whites to be successful in white society. When they succeeded they deserved to. That is the way diversity should work.

        • ThomasER916

          You’re still trying to say that “diversity has real value.” It doesn’t. Diversity has no intrinsic value for whites. It never will.

          • JohnEngelman

            That depends on how you define “diversity.”

            Companies that hire the best candidates they can attract regardless of race, national origin, sex, or sexual orientations are likely to perform better than companies that only hire white male gentiles of European origins. Companies that only hire white male gentiles of European origins are likely to perform better than companies that reduce standards for black and Hispanics in order to have a workforce that “looks like America.” .

          • ThomasER916

            Now you’re trying to play Semantics. The problem is you never bothered to define “Diversity” either and now you’re trying to deflect. In your original post you just went right along with the article, saying something about “standards” as if that ever came into the picture. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows what “Diversity” means when applied to the West. “Diversity” means less white and anti-Western Civilization. That’s what this is about. The “standards” don’t matter when the point is to make something less white and anti-Western.

            Diversity in and of itself is meaningless. It just means different. Different doesn’t mean good. In fact, in a successful society different is failure. In a rich society different is poor. In a healthy society different is sick.

            You blathering on about the glories of “Diversity” tells me more about you than it does about “Diversity.”

            Should we talk about Israel’s lack of “Diversity”? Of course not.

          • JohnEngelman

            You seem to think white male Gentiles of European descent should be discriminated in favor of. I don’t. Companies that hire by merit will hire Jews and Orientals in percentages far out of proportion to their percentages in the U.S. population. I think they should.

          • ThomasER916

            I know you think that the best thing for America is to be less white. Took you long enough to actually say it.

          • JohnEngelman

            I’ve been saying it all along. I love Orientals, especially Chinese.

          • Brian

            That’s fine to a point. I enjoyed the degree of diversity we had in say, 1980. There needs to be a numerically dominant standard for people to assimilate into, hopefully a group that has a proven track record of wealth creation and innovation, like N. Euros or Japanese. A sprinkling of variety can add spice; it’s fun to visit Chinatown now and then. But now we’re being overwhelmed by groups that add more trouble than they’re worth.

          • JohnEngelman

            The immigration of any racial group increases the growing income gap liberals complain about without analyzing the reasons it is happening.

            The immigration of racial groups with higher rates of crime and illegitimacy and lower average IQ’s than whites does indeed cause additional problems.

            In the predominantly black and consequently very dangerous city where I live the influx of Hispanics is an improvement. Nevertheless, I doubt the United States will benefit from the vast influx of Hispanics that will happen when our “broken immigration system” is “reformed.”

            And it will happen. Democratic politicians want more Democratic voters. Republican politicians want more low wage workers to raise the profits of their clients in the business community.

          • Brian

            I think there are some municipalities operating according to this tacit idea, that if you flood the area with Hispanics, it ‘dilutes’ the black problem. Yes, as a percentage it does, but it doesn’t do anything to reduce the numbers of blacks or their individual dysfunction level. And it simultaneously dilutes the white/Asian percentage, which are the two net-tax-payer groups. It absolutely kills the Smart Fraction necessary for innovation.

          • JohnEngelman

            Hispanics are frequently more hostile to blacks than whites are. They are more likely to take the offensive against blacks. I have read on this website that Hispanics have taken over east Los Angeles, and forced the blacks out violently.

            East Palo Alto in the Francisco Bay area used to be a black majority city. Now it is 64.5% Hispanic.

            Hispanics tend to make more money than blacks. When they move into a black area they bid up rents beyond the level most blacks can pay.

            Hispanic neighborhoods are dangerous places for blacks, but they are safer for whites than are black neighborhoods. When Hispanics take over a black neighborhood the crime rate goes down and the tax base goes up.

  • JohnEngelman

    Women are more likely to prefer successful men than conversely. This gives men a motive to become rich and powerful that women do not have.

    • DiversityIsDeath

      I agree. It’s all Darwin. It’s about selecting best mate for breeding. Women value in men wealth, success, ability to provide and protect, and men value youth, beauty, health in women. It makes perfect sense from evolutionary standpoint.

      • Jefferson

        Except that very few women on the planet actually end up marrying a wealthy successful man.

        The vast majority of women on the planet have to end up settling for a man who has a mediocre income.

    • Jefferson

      If that were true, every lower income man on the planet would be a virgin and only rich guys would be having sex with lots of different women. In fact the guys who impregnate the most women, are the ones who are most likely to be living in poverty.

      Whenever I see a news story on a guy who has like 20 kids with several different women, it is NEVER a doctor, scientist, engineer, or lawyer for example who is doing this. It is ALWAYS someone from the peasant class.

      • JohnEngelman

        White men with low income, low status jobs seldom have access to large numbers of desirable women unless they are astonishingly handsome.

        It is only among the black underclass that men we would consider to be low status have varied and satisfying sex lives. I cannot document this, but I suspect that in the underclass it is the most successful male criminals who have the largest number of illegitimate children.

        An unmarried black teenage girl would probably rather have an affair with a flashy, high stepping black drug dealer than a responsible black man with a minimum wage job. She knows the responsible black man will marry her, but she thinks the drug dealer is more exciting. Also, he always has a thick wad of cash to spend on her.

    • WR_the_realist

      Many years back I read an article about the frustrations of wealthy, self made women in their late 30s and to mid 40s trying to find a man of equal or better success to marry. It seems all the wealthy men were looking for women in their 20s to early 30s, and didn’t much care how much money the ladies had. Well, duh.

      • JohnEngelman

        An assumption of the women’s liberation movement is that the only important differences between men and women are physical. That is even more incorrect than the assumption that the only important difference between whites and Negroes is skin color.

        Men of all ages feel an instinctive preference for women in their late teens and early twenties. This is because they are best able to give birth to healthy babies. Until about a century ago one or two percent of pregnant women died in childbirth. Even now women in their forties are much more likely to have babies with Down’s Syndrome.

        The Japanese have a saying women libbers would growl at, but it represents an important biological truth: women are like Christmas trees; they are no good after 25.

        A twenty year old man who rises in a prestigious career will be more desirable at the age of forty than he was at the age of twenty. A twenty year old woman who rises in a prestigious career will be twenty years older at the age of forty.

        The fact that many more men are in leadership roles than women is not due to an old boy network. It is due to women’s sexual preferences.

  • Talltrees

    “Are foreign students the ‘best and brightest’?” A recent study revealed Americans are best in some fields and equal in others. Concluded, no need for foreign workers and actually they are hurting the country.

    See “Are foreign students the ‘best and brightest’? Data and implications for immigration policy.” Norman Matloff

  • D.B. Cooper

    She was a junior in winter of 2001, so she would’ve graduated in May of 2003.
    Her first job was working at Variety, and her humble, straight, objective, and to the point articles back then didn’t have opinions.
    Here’s her first known article from her first real job:
    Hy Anzell
    August 25, 2003

    Hy Anzell, an actor best known for his role as Uncle Joey Nichols in Woody Allen’s pic “Annie Hall,” died of natural causes Saturday at St. Agnes hospital in Fresno. He was 79.

    Gotham native debuted on Broadway in the 1946 production of the Duke Ellington musical “Beggar’s Holiday.” He went on to appear in other Broadway shows including “Oklahoma” and “Checking Out.”

    His Off Broadway credits include “Little Shop of Horrors” and “Kvetch.” Anzell also appeared on television and in over 20 films.

    He is survived by two daughters, two sons, a brother and a sister.
    If she is still unmarried with no kids at 40, can you imagine what we’re going to have to put up with in 10 years? I’m getting a sneaking suspicion she’s a household name like Katie Couric by 2023. She says the right things, attractive, hates men, but not a lesbian, and her attitude is a prime example of why so many men turn to foreign women.

  • shmo123

    I fail to see where there is any “problem” at all. The only “problem” is that the media created, politically correct, threat to the multi-culti ideal “problem” won’t take hold and the “problem” will soon be forgotten. But that would only be temporary. They’ll just go and create another “problem”, until it’s solved.

    • shmo123

      I feel duped. Had I known before commenting that the above article was written by a college undergraduate, I would have never wasted my time.

  • Luca

    Liberals worry too much about “diversity’ and too little about quality and results.

    Their priorities are screwed up, much like their thought process.

    • Alexandra1973

      I’ve said this countless times, and I’ll say it again: I wonder how many recalls are the result of AA hires.

      • Brian

        I once worked in a factory, and 60% of the returned problem shipments were made in the first 3 hours Mon. morning, or the last 3 hours on Friday afternoon. The foremen were pretty good about firing low producers so AA was not much of an issue, but we weren’t unionized so they may have been a factor.

  • sshadow

    After reading Miss Legs Lyster’s propaganda on women in higher positions in large corporate arenas, I Googled “Failed Women CEOs” and found some interesting reading. Carly Fiorina’s near destruction of HP is the stuff of legend. Her male successor who rescued the company from the abyss and brought a rapid rebound, unfortunately revealed a fatal flaw. He showed some subliminal signs of being interested in a female contractor, and was promptly fired. An immediate investigation revealed that no sex was actually involved, and hadn’t occurred, but who was willing to take that risk. Thanks to this wonderfully vigilant board he was immediately fired, unlike Carly who over many months almost destroyed the company before she was reluctantly let go. Then there is Marissa Mayer who recently took over at Yahoo without letting them know a minor detail, she was pregnant. Well, it could have been an oversight. She is a strong woman (they all are) and won’t be the least bit distracted. Only if you are sexist will you be waiting for a stock price decline. Then there is Ginny Rometty who is CEO at IBM. Don’t look at the stock chart unless you are willing to risk becoming physically ill. Down 40 points in 7 months.
    Women have 145000 Km of white matter in their brain, and men have 179000 Km in theirs. Their brains are 10% smaller. Do you suppose that jobs with the most expansive demands might favor the occupant with the most white and gray matter? Has America gone mad?

    • IstvanIN

      Km? As in Kilometer? That isn’t volumetric measurement in metrics, is it?

    • sshadow

      1Kilometer is 0.62 miles. White matter is the axonal part of a neuron and is comparable to an insulated wire for rapid electrical transmission. Myelin is white and is the insulation. Each one is attached to the neuron body which has an average of 29800 synapses or connections with other neurons thru it’s branchlike dendrites. A greater length of axons would imply a greater number of neurons which would imply larger brain parts or a greater diversity of parts, some of which don’t exist in the female. At the greatest extremes of cerebral performance you could imagine how this could make a difference. It wouldn’t necessarily favor more diversity in the boardroom. Edit: this is a reply to IstvanIN, not to myself. Don’t know how that happened. Thanx for the interest.

      • IstvanIN

        So you are measuring the total length of neurons in the brain, to make it simple for folks like me?

        • sshadow

          More specifically the total length of axons, which are one of the business ends of a neuron. That comprises white matter. It is more lengthy and isn’t branched as is the opposite end, the dendrites. The neuron (nerve cell) and the dendrites with their many synapses comprise the gray matter. There has to be a neuron body and dendritic complex for each axon. Some logical extrapolations make the previous posted assumptions somewhat compelling.

          • dd121

            He said make it simple. 🙂

        • sshadow

          Typical neuron, yellow is the axon, that is what they are measuring. The dendrite and nerve body is on the left.

  • What is stopping N’DeShawntavious and Marisol from starting their own high-tech firms? Oh, I remember now: stupidity and laziness. White men are expected to do all the work and then hand over turn-key businesses to mouth-breathing black and brown incompetoids, just so these Fourth-World invaders can play “dress up”. That’s the real purpose of a corporation; forget about making money for shareholders.

    • IstvanIN

      True, the white man builds it, because the blacks and browns can not, and then is expected to give it away. Just like our countries.

  • Korean guy

    The current Yahoo CEO

    She used to work for google in the past

    And the current HP CEO and president is also a woman.

    • Yahoo mail was just recently ruined by her.
      Meg Whitman drove eBay into the ground.
      Carly Fiorina ruined HP’s market share.

      • ThomasER916

        Sorry but you really don’t know anything about HP. So let’s talk about real history for a moment. Before Carly there was Pattie Dunn, who is the female CEO that caused HP to stagnate. Dunn was fired after having two years where HP’s depreciation was higher than their net income. With Dunn as CEO Hewlett Packard wasn’t even top twenty for tech companies, hovering mid to low twenties and losing revenue.

        Under Carly Fiorina HP rose to top five. In her first year she improved net revenue by nearly $4 billion and lowered company debt by $1 billion. Carly was fired for several reasons, but none of them had to do with market share. The biggest problem was Fiorina as CEO took on more and more debt as a means to expand and grow rapidly. This didn’t hurt market share at all, but adding $13.5 billion in debt over the course of 3 years was a huge mistake. The reason why Carly Fiorina was fired because she refused to split HP to leverage the debt. It had nothing to do with market share but market strategy. Carly Fiorina made the right decision to keep Hewlett Packard as one company. It would have been a terrible mistake to split it. However, a She gambled with billions of dollars, made people nervous and didn’t play along. That’s what got her fired.

        • I don’t see any response to to sshadow’s similar assertion above?

          • ThomasER916

            Are you one of these guys who thinks this is a chat room and everyone is logged on?

        • sshadow

          “The biggest problem was Fiorina as CEO took on more and more debt as a means to expand and grow rapidly.”
          Many said that using that debt to purchase Compaq, which was in a savage cut throat commoditized business, and demanded out sourcing to survive wasn’t the wisest move. Try to pay down the debt with razor thin margins when the economy was dicey. The stock went from around 40 when she started to near 13 when she exited gave the verdict of the sharpest minds on the street. “Not playing along” wasn’t the essence of her demise. She couldn’t comprehend enough of the unintended consequences of her actions, eg alienating customers and others because of not having enough neurons in the right places to raise a cautionary note to herself. You don’t have to analyze every move she made, but instead look at the end result. What woman could analyze the field like Peyton Manning? Hard to imagine isn’t it?

  • ThomasER916

    Dongle Gate

  • WR_the_realist

    And the push for diversity is not just rooted in political correctness.
    Studies reveal that diversity has a real value for companies.

    Nonsense. What studies have shown is that diversity has no measurable benefits at all. The only example he gives is this one:

    Again, to cite the New York Times:
    McKinsey & Company found that the companies with more women on
    their corporate boards far outperformed the average company in return on
    equity and other measures. Operating profit was 56 percent higher.

    There was nothing about putting blacks or Hispanics on the corporate board. Also, we have no idea of cause and effect here. It is likely that highly profitable companies with dominant market positions are also the companies most under the scrutiny of regulators and politicians — so they hire more women in prominent positions to look good, and can readily afford whatever costs this incurs.

  • ThomasER916

    This is true. And as someone who worked in the computer industry I can tell you they’re not as good as the whites they’re replacing, but they are “Diversity”

  • Katherine McChesney

    The uni-sex hats are a no-go. Glad Barry Soetoro didn’t get his wish.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    And the push for diversity is not just rooted in political correctness. Studies reveal that diversity has a real value for companies.

    FIXED – The push for diversity IS just rooted in political correctness. – FIXED

    And if “diversity has a real value for companies” the why are the tech companies that are the most unaware of this “fact” also the most successful??

  • The Tank

    These are the same people who tried to speak-ill of Facebook for not having any women on its board. As if the men who built a billion-dollar company from the ground-up, need their advice.
    These big billion dollar companies wouldn’t be big billion dollar companies if they weren’t doing something right. But feminism, the race-baiters, and political correctness all have the common theme that they advance themselves by tearing down the success of others.

  • Brian

    Shoehorning unqualified women in, and increasing H1B visa Asians are two separate issues.

  • ThomasER916

    That mirrors precisely her strategy and fallout at HP. The real difference was the markets. Lucent was a pre-9/11 world where the housing market didn’t blow up and you could get gasoline for under $1 per gallon. BTW, I worked at Lucent from 1999-2000 with the Chinese. I’m familiar with the cuts that were made.

    • Brian

      Sorry to hear it. My dad got pushed into early retirement in 2000, after 30 years (incl. the old Western Electric).

  • sshadow

    I call into their findings. They begin by stating that IQ in men and women are equal. Multiple sources say not. Generally 4 IQ points difference are found. My source on white matter says overall men’s white matter is 15 % more. This article refers to areas of intelligence only. Have those areas been isolated that well? Questionable. IQ tests have deselected many subtests to even out the differences in men and women also. So, the whole thing is somewhat fixed against men. A definitive analysis is elusive at this time.

    • Brian

      I agree the link I posted is not definitive, and these does seem to be some suspiciously careful emphasis on overall equality that perhaps is sweeping some details under the rug. It’s harder to dispute what they find in the MRI though.

  • Brian

    I have no problem with gay troops, as long as they are in rainbow uniforms and parachuted into Muslim troop areas wrapped in bacon. 😉