Aaron Dworkin’s Address on Inclusion in American Orchestras

YouTube, October 8, 2013

[Editor’s Note: A reader sent us the following video with this message:

In the orchestra business, in which I am a musician, our institutions bend over backwards to try to hire black people, so as to make our organizations look more “diverse”. All auditions are played behind a screen, ensuring racial and gender neutrality. Nonetheless, there are practically no black people in orchestras because, simply put, hardly any blacks play classical music or apply to the profoundly competitive anonymous auditions. So, like the lottery, if you don’t play, you can’t win.

I submit to you a major player in the arts administration world, the leader of a black and Hispanic music program, speaking to a national congress of orchestral administrators. What he said and seemed to demand, was so shocking that I don’t know where to begin. Maybe you know how to address this.

According to the YouTube posting, the video is “a pre-recorded taping of Sphinx Founder’s address delivered at Carnegie Hall on 10-8-2013.”]

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  • MekongDelta69

    Sure. Go ahead. Kick out all the Whites and bring in all the black thugs. I’ve never seen someone wear a tux, with their pants pulled down to their knees, gold grills and bling, and flashing gang signs.

    I’m looking forward to my ‘diverse’ night on the town…
    /sarc

    • Oil Can Harry

      Black Conductor: Okay, tonight we’ll start off with a fifth.

      White Orchestra: A fifth of Beethoven?

      Black Conductor: Hell no! A fifth of vodka. I jus’ used mah EBT card at de liquor sto’.

      • Dis tune need more bass. Boom! Boom! Dat right!

        • Brian

          And why doan dis oakestruh have no DJ spinnin’?

      • DaveMed

        Haha! Excellent! 🙂

      • stewball

        Such rubbish. I’m astonished.

  • Tarczan

    OK, we get it, there aren’t many darkies in orchestras. But how many darkies are in the audience?

    • Spartacus

      There’s plenty in the alleys around the building, waiting to mug, rape or kill some evil crackas’ .

    • Darkies will be given free tickets so the audience will be Diverse, and they will be allowed to play with their shiny thing smart phones during the performance. (Why don’t they reject using inventions created by “hateful” White privilege?)

      The “marginalized” ones who attended Historically White Colleges and Universities on Diversity scholarships will complain that the performance doesn’t reflect their values, after which rap and hip hop will be mixed with Handel and Rachmanioff.

      “We can’t afford to allow White people having anything that is just theirs anymore. Call in the 101st Airborne again.”

      -Bishop “Big Daddy” Jefferson

    • rebellisMMXII

      In my experience ….virtually none. Ushers are almost 100% groid.

      • itdoesnotmatter

        Not here, rebellis. The ushers are mostly white females who do the job in order to enjoy the music free of cost. Season tickets are expensive.

    • DaveMed

      Exactly right.

      I wonder how all the liberals who go to concerts haven’t realized that “diversity” is going to lead to the death of their favorite cultural pastimes. Truly astonishing.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        How long would you wager that they will go on playing the music of “dead white men?”

        We ought to run a pool on this one.

    • Erasmus

      Someone tell this gay black man that we’ll start putting unqualified blacks into the orchestra as soon as they start putting more unqualified whites and Asians onto the football fields and basketball courts.

    • mobilebay

      I haven’t heard the term “darkies” in years. That was my grandmother’s term, which was popular at the time. My head spins with all the names they’ve been known by over time…Negroes, darkies, blacks, African-Americans. Can’t wait to see what’s next.

      • Tarczan

        I recently read “Gone With the Wind” and that is how the whites in it referred to their slaves. Incidentally, the book had a great kind of sub plot which mirrored the Amren view of race. Very interesting.

      • Groids. I also call them “Simian-Americans”, “African’ts” and other things that would have me thrown off this site again. Since I am a “quarter-breed blanket-head”, I imagine I am allowed some leeway in this respect.

  • sbuffalonative

    For the record Mr. Dworkins, it was the white man who created classical music. While the black man in Africa was stretching skins across hollow logs, Europeans were engineering precision instruments like the violin, the piano-forte, the flute, clarinet, oboe, and TUNABLE percussion like timpani. And while Africans didn’t produce a written language, Europeans created musical notation that would keep their masterworks alive for centuries.

    I don’t see how any johnny-come-lately African can improve on any of that. Unless they plan on adding some “soul”.

    • “Improving” on it means destroying Whites’ enjoyment of it.

      You need to get yourself updated on the new meanings of words. You are sounding like a dinosaur.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        I wonder how long they will play all that “dead white man’s music?”

    • IanJMacDonald

      There are some blacks into classical music who are outstanding. Wynton Marsalis comes to mind. They’re just few and far between.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        And their disappearance from our midst would mean a net nothing.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          You mean zero net loss?

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        He’s not a classical musician, but a jazz musician who has invaded classical to explore. That means he’s looking for new musical ideas to turn into jazz.

        • Katherine McChesney

          Give him time. He’ll figure out a way to trash classical music. He’ll “negrofy’ it to death.

        • David Ashton

          I remember attending a classical music concert at London University years ago when a clearly bored black academic actually said to me: “This sort of music just doesn’t do anything for people like us.” Trouble is that too many whites today might say the same: it does their ‘ead in too.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        This does not mean that they ought to be there, be encouraged or that they ought to dominate it by pushing whites out the way they do in other areas. Once the trend really starts, whites withdraw due to the problems with the basic association, just like whites move out of neighborhoods when blacks move in.

    • JackKrak

      Just a matter of time before orchestras start closing their shows with medleys of Lil’ Wayne and Tupac Shakur hits while all the members sway back & forth in unison while “raising the roof”.

      You know – keeping it real……

  • David Ashton

    Has he got a natural sense of rhythm?

    • sbuffalonative

      The only way you can keep a symphony orchestra on pace is to be sure everyone has a natural, metronome-like sense of timing. It’s whites who have a sense of timing and rhythm.

      • David Ashton

        True, but can they jump about the streets to the banging of dustbin lids?

  • Spartacus

    How many of the instruments played in an orchestra were invented by groids ? My guess would be none .

    • Boris McGuffin

      None were, nor is there even a single black great classical composer. There is a handful of very talented singers and instrumentalists who are black. Every single one that I know of grew up in white neighborhoods and white culture, from middle class or upper middle class families. They all sound white when they speak, of course, and wouldn’t know what in the hell to do if they were ever around most regular everyday blacks. Obviously, they’re outliers.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        But they may be the most dangerous because they are the most likely to get “rewarded” with EVERYTHNG white.

  • Rhialto

    I agree it’s a terrible problem: Lack of Blacks in Music. When this crucial problem is solved perhaps we, as a nation, will address the other vital issues, lack Blacks in basketball and football.

    PS. Dvorkin’s bio at Wikipedia is enlightening.

    • Katherine McChesney

      ‘Dvorkin’s bio at Wikipedia is enlightening.’

      Poor thing. He had to endure ‘racism’. LOL. Like a broken record, isn’t it?

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        But he didn’t let it “turn him away!” “Cause he luv dat white man music!”

  • PROUD TO BE WHITE

    I HAVE JUST FINISHED WATCHING A CNN CLIP ABOUT AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN GIRL WITH A PERFECT SAT SCORE WHO HAS BEEN ACCEPTED INTO HARVARD AND MANY OTHER ELITE COLLEGES.

    I AM SOMEWHAT SUSPICIOUS. DID SHE SIT THE SAME SAT TESTS AS THE
    WHITE/ASIAN KIDS OR ONE DESIGNED AND DUMBED-DOWN FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS. I WILL TELL YOU WHY I ASK!

    GIVEN THAT THE CHANCES OF A VERY HIGH SAT SCORE FOR A NEGRO IS 1 IN
    500,000 IT MAKES ME WONDER. SHE MUST BE QUITE AN EXCEPTION. UNIQUE IN FACT!

    • sbuffalonative

      I’m not familiar with this story. However, there are out liners so it’s plausible that 1 out of a million blacks could get a perfect score. However, it’s likely there is more to the story. It’s like every time you read about a black school that surpassed white schools, you know that cheating will be exposed in a couple years.

      Unfortunately if it is true, these are the kinds of stories that give blacks false hope. They believe if one black person can do it than every black person can. Hence, more programs to make more black geniuses.

    • You don’t understand.

      The SAT is now written explicitly to increase the number of Diverse perfect scores.

      • PROUD TO BE WHITE

        I am sorry I am not from the US. Where I come from everyone takes the
        same university entrance tests irrespective of skin colour. I thought it was
        the same in the USA. Just thought I would seek some advice on the topic.

  • je suis paganisme

    Seeing and hearing a black man play Brahms’ Piano Concerto #2 in B Flat does not fit.
    It is possible, yes, but very unlikely. And even if he did, it would have some kind of offness about it.
    Would I applaud such a feat? Probably, but I would also feel like this is a fish out of water, a freak, a reject among his own people. As a black, having that kind of sensitivity, he would almost certainly have to be gay. This is not necessarily true of White classical musicians.
    But testosterone-laden blacks are not known for fine tastes.

    • David Ashton

      Actually there are few good female opera singers. Their range is considerable. There are exceptions to the general “rule”. When Oswald Mosley was imprisoned without charge in 1940 his companion for a time was a black musician who had been in a Berlin orchestra in Nazi Germany, a pretty unexpected position.

      The cleverest female pupil I taught was a black girl who went on to study physics at Cambridge, but such individuals while welcome are indeed very rare.

      What I find particularly objectionable is black “rap” and similar stuff which is promoted on a scarcely believable scale by the “white” intelligentsia who run the liberal-left media. Some of these creatures were gangsters and dope-pushers who have “made good” and made millions, whereas classical musicians struggle to make a living. I have several such relatives: the wife of one of them had a friend whose house, musical instruments, records and sheet music, were burned out by blacks in the London riots; an ironic comment on life in the land of Elgar, Delius, Walton and Sir Reginald Goodall.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        Why do you “welcome” them just because they can do what whites do or otherwise fit in? If you let in any then you must let in all. That is how the downhill slide began. I don’t think you can welcome any into your “home” because they get into your life, then your family, etc.

        • David Ashton

          I welcome any outstanding personal intellectual achievement, but that does not mean I welcome the permanent settlement of gifted aliens in England. I have said often here that the role and place of any such individually talented blacks is in the leadership of their own people.

          The main “immigration” has been of low average ability as well as alien in race and culture, from the Windrush “revolution” to the Gypsy street-criminals today. I have never been in favour of alien mass-settlement at any time in my life, and have said so, though I have been polite to various immigrants I have encountered in schools and elswehere.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Okay, I understand.

            You are forced to be polite, are you not? Where I live, Vancouver, Washington, we have been being inundating with transplants from everywhere for some years now, but a big influx this summer of problematic welfare cases from King County (the county where Seattle is located). They sought to solve their problem by distributing them throughout the state. I just do not speak or interact. However, I am retired, so I can pick who I interact with in most cases. If I must, I am businesslike and do not smile or “make conversation.”

            I am sure that you would find Robert Kaplan’s book, “Balkan Ghosts” very interesting. I have been reviewing that last few days (Sparty got me back into it) and I recommend it to everyone. Lots of essential history for whites to understand (if that is possible). What really strikes me is that the cultural and national problems of the Balkans is spreading into Europe (also the U.S.). For that reason alone, I think this book is mandatory reading. It can be gainfully supplemented with (Dame) Rebecca West’s, “Black Lamb, Gray Falcon, a Journey through Yugoslavia” and or any scholastic work on the Hapsburg Empire.

          • David Ashton

            I have never “socialised” with any non-Europeans, unless you count cordial conversations about race, religion, politics and history with a Brahmin staff-room colleague years ago. I taught non-white pupils as fairly and objectively as possible, ignoring the political directives from leftist whites. I am just a polite person, unless first personally insulted, threatened or attacked.

            Thanks for the Kaplan reference. I have read Rebecca West’s book on communist espionage, but nothing else except in critical reviews.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I think you would really “enjoy” reading both of these books, if enjoy is a word I could use. West’s is 1200 or so pages long and sometimes I had to take a break for a while because the impact of the content was so disturbing. But I also lived there for a while in the 1990s, maybe that is why. I’d like to hear your reactions after reading either of them.

  • Rich White and Jewish donors to orchestras, and the arts in general, are liberal Diversity worshippers who would rather more White babies be aborted to the god Molech than born into the invidious system of institutionalized White privilege that does so much harm to humanity’s common good.

    I hate it that these “business and tax savvy” donors can go to performances and only see people who reflect their colorless Whiteness. I wish “community change activists, in partnership with diverse employees” at DOJ-HUD will “push forward and take stronger action” against the “too White” Whiteness in the classical music community’s “dominant culture.”

    We must fight harder to make Diversity a civil right and Whiteness a civil wrong.

    • rebellisMMXII

      I get your point but there are many-many of us that dearly love the arts and love that it is a celebration of whiteness.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      rebellisMMXll is right. One of today’s most famous conductors is the conductor of the Metropolitan Opera, Mr. James Levin is Jewish. He has served in Germany as conductor there as well. An absolutely magnificent rendering of The Ring of the Nibelung, the entire cycle was conducted by him and put onto a dvd set. I happened to see it last winter, it was being shown on PBS. It is true that most often, the classical European arts have been preserved by the traditionally “liberal” arts types, but I would posit that there is a sort of schizophrenia in that particular flavor of the Public Broadcasting world and the traditional world of the higher brow division of arts and culture. However, even they are being forced to make choices. Suggestions as this article shows this ‘gifted African American” actually represents an eventual destruction of the source of inspiration. Some of the Alma Mater must be realizing this.

      Unfortunately, many orchestras are being forced to look for non-whites for their orchestras because the support for classical music from whites alone isn’t enough in today’s economy. (And not enough young whites support it). But we know what will happen as more non-whites move into an orchestra; they will one day decide that playing white men’s music is a waste of time and start to return to the jungle. They will do what blacks did before when the picked up European instruments, imitated Yiddish music and called it jazz. (How did the Jew Al Jolson get away with being “The Jazz Singer?” He was a cantor as his synagog first).

  • WASP

    I don’t want to go to any symphony orchestra performances and see Black or Latino musicians on stage. It’s just too unnatural.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      I really have enjoyed Vangelis’s work over the years. So when I got a dvd of his concert of Mythodea performed at the Temple of Zeus in Athens, I thought it would be a fantastic celebration of Greek and Western culture. But I was wrong. Vangelis made the Politically Correct mistake of having a big, fat, black woman singing the lead vocal. She strutted around on the stage with her eyes glaring and making facial expressions that seemed to be a obvious message that “her people” owned this culture. (It was the height of the first wave of Afro-Centrism). I couldn’t finish watching, she completely ruined it for me. The concert and music was a flop for Vangelis as well. I feel like a crime was committed.

      • WASP

        I’m sorry Vangelis’ Mythodea was ruined for you. I hope you asked them to return your money. Negroes have no place in classical music, operatic parts, or ballet. They manage to make it absurd. I adorned Luciano Pavarotti. When he finally came to the city I live close too, I bought my ticket. He had a wonderful Italian soprano to accompany him for some of his songs. No Negroes. The performance was captivating; I’ll always remember it.

  • Paleoconn

    If they want more blacks in the symphonies, perhaps they can also accept more Whites in the NBA.

  • dd121

    Why don’t we forget about race and just hire orchestra members on the basis of how well they play their respective instrument?

    • MikeofAges

      Tried it long ago, in Detroit. Had prospective members audition behind a curtain, unseen. Not enough blacks were hired. So they went to open affirmative action. The people they hired were competent orchestral musicians, true. But what about the misery index? Oops. That doesn’t count.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        I just heard last night that 50,000 dogs are running wild in the streets of Detroit. One can predict that soon they will begin to attack humans in packs. This has to be understood as the result of the Diversification of Western, European society and culture; first the two legged dogs run wild, then the four legged ones finish it (civilization).

  • Never underestimate the willingness of White women to help a N’gress “artist” to “change attitudes by questioning assumptions and raising social awareness.”

    Have you noticed that whenever you see a preggo White women these days, you find yourself assuming she’s carrying a voodoo n’gro mongrel?

    When our women decided en mass that they don’t want their own children to look like them, I realized that the future will be worse than we’ve assumed.

  • Yeah, blacks are so into classical music that the north side was flying their black liberation flags at half staff the day KFUO changed formats a few years ago.

  • Katherine McChesney

    A black playing an accordion. That’s funny. Do blacks play polkas?

    • Sick of it

      Not only do some blacks play polka, some of them even wear lederhosen from time to time. It’s extraordinarily rare, but I have seen a lot strange things in my life.

      • Tarczan

        I saw one reading one time, so anything is possible.

        • Katherine McChesney

          I saw one reading yesterday. It struck me as…well, you know, STRANGE.

          • Brian

            Because the book was right side up?

      • Brian

        I saw a half dozen Confederate battle flags in Greece last time I was there– apparently adopted by some as a ‘rebel’ protest against the EU.

        • Sick of it

          Ok, that’s pretty high on the weird-o-meter as well. I have never read about a Southron immigration to Greece. It’s nice that they like us, but the Greek flag makes more sense.

          • Brian

            It wasn’t from American immigrants– it was native Greeks. I talked to one guy who was a biker and was familiar with American bikers having it sometimes, and he knew it was something to do with rebelling against an overbearing, tyrannical gov’t/separation, but he didn’t know much more about the civil war. To him it was just an expression of anti-EU sentiment and a ‘biker thing’.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Having lived in the Balkans, I can tell you that it isn’t unusual for American culture to be utilized and reinvented for the local tastes. In fact, this is true of all cultures. The music swaps back and forth are interesting, too (except that rap has infected them there as well). I ended up realizing this because my time there and the 14 other European countries I visited while living there.

  • Rhialto

    This may be a big issue with Dorkin, but how many normal Whites, Blacks, or Liberals care about it? Rich liberal Whites who subsidize classical music performances may be upset, but how many others?

    It’s the same hype as Black non-use of national parks; few people care. Liberal newsers hype it because nothing else happened, and they have to produce some anti-White propaganda, if they want to keep their jobs.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Likely all too true, especially if you mean CNN.

  • Sick of it

    They could have found plenty of high IQ whites to take those slots, but the whites don’t usually have the disposable income to afford an Ivy League school, being more honest people.

  • Dworkin = Juden? Double trouble.

  • Jesse James

    I have a great idea, why don’t these mostly white orchestras have their performers play in black face as a tribute to the wonder that is diversity. That way they could still have the civilized classical play style of whites and yet appear hip and vibrant. If this idea works it could spread like wildfire! Imagine the possibilities, politicians could give speeches, solo singers, piano players, actors in movies, college theme parties, gosh there is no limit to the great things that could be done in blackface. All in tribute of course and it would be tastefully and respectfully done. If it works in the entertainment world maybe it would help HUD and the Department of Justice bring diversity to neighborhoods all over the country and especially in those pesky mostly cold and white states where they are having trouble getting enough real Negroes. Neighbors could draw lots each month and have every third house wear black face all month. I am sure it would do wonders for race relations. Gosh if we work really hard maybe during President Obama’s fifth term in office we could televise him driving across the country and show how pleased he is that we are all finally coming over to the dark side.

    • Erasmus

      Still and forever the white man’s burden.

  • itdoesnotmatter

    Let me get his straight. Is this clown asking for set asides for blacks and messicans without the traditional blind auditions? In other words, as the NYFD had to do, admit any black or brown, regardless of proficiency?
    Is he too stupid to know that auditions are open for any candidate willing to sit for a chair?
    Our symphony, which I have supported for years, has both instrumental and choral candidates audition behind a screen. A choral candidate, in addition to other difficult tests of skill, is handed an unknown piece of music and asked to sight-read sing it cold. I don’t know any blacks who can do that.
    As for lack of inclusiveness in the sitting symphony, for years, we had a very light skinned mulatto in the second violin section. I don’t see him there anymore. One had to blink twice to see that he might have some groid blood.

    When Andre Watts came to town, a few extremely dolled up blacks were seen in the audience. Otherwise, none. I cherish the symphony because it’s one of the few areas exclusively Whites and a few Asians patronize.

  • ShermanTMcCoy

    Don’t that ni**er talk funny?

  • Brian

    His biological father was of Irish descent and his biological mother was African-American, while his adoptive family was Jewish. When he was two weeks old, Barry and Susan Dworkin, who both were New York City College professors, with a specialization in neuroscience, adopted him.

    Check your privilege, Dworkin!

  • Fr. John+

    The reason I love and admire Classical music, is PRECISELY because it “ain’t N music!”
    No ‘person of color’ has ANY right to usurp, steal, take the place of White kids doing OUR music, nor should I have to watch some oddity with dreads playing viola in an all-white orchestra. Music programs in schools across the nation bend over backwards to admit dubious talents of those with higher melanin counts, but you know what? Just like the death of NYC Opera, the MN. Orchestra, etc., I won’t GO to concerts where darkies are present- I don’t want to see them in Opera, and I don’t want to see them in Ballet, and I don’t want to see them in Symphony concerts. America for Americans, European music for Whites!

    • WASP

      Amen to that!

  • 107.3 FM. The station’s call letters are K297BI, strange call letters because it’s a low power FM translator of another station, in its case, an HD subchannel of KIHT (“K-Hits 96”), which does that classical stream on one of its HD subchannels.

    107.3 comes off the former 96.3 FM tower near Hanley and Manchester.

    A power increase is out of the question, because its power is already at the legal maximum for LPFMs. A big time 250 watts.

    http://www.radio-locator.com/info/K297BI-FX

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    This is part of stealing the white identity. Take the names, take the clothes, take the outward look, change your hair type and color, use blue contacts, etc. It all adds up to an incredible tale of envy of beauty and culture. Those who aren’t it, want it and must possess it. This is why non-white men are so often obsessed with possessing white women. The Marxists knew that if you prop up non-white men, give them the jobs the place, etc., white women would select them as mates because women respond to the dominant (Alpha) male more often than the actual identity and long term impact of their selection. They knew this when they moved to for example, award scholarships to Kenyans (and other third world “scholars”) and why Affirmative Action was so important to them in college admissions.

    The change at Ann Arbor in Michigan, which is so near Detroit is a great example. (I just heard last night that Detroit has 50,000 dogs running wild on its streets. They will soon become wild dog packs that will attack humans).

    • Sick of it

      We are generally looked down upon when we act like Alphas, so the entire situation is, of course, rigged. Even on here we have some Feminists who apparently have problems with Alpha white men.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        it’s a pretty dire state of things, for certain. What I have usually found is that feminism is so generalized into Western Society (but let’s stay with North America) that most women have acquired that nasty personality that comes with it as it is well represented in all main stream media; tv, film, music, etc., that even when they think they’re on board with the white realist ideas they bring with them feminist style reactivity and assertiveness. I just met one in person that used the notion that she was ‘Not PC” to justify a very insulting, passive-aggressive conversation style. Being rude isn’t PC one way or the other, it’s just bad manners, period.

        • Ella

          I think half the women would not mind an “Alpha” male if he is kind, honest and hard-working. Women like responsible and mature men to raise family with over the years. We live in a world where people in general are NOT kind to each other regardless of their political or social hype.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I know you desire to say something constructive here, but it bears some discussion/development. An alpha male is not a drone male that has been herded into a cultural expectation, especially when it is a set of demands, expectations, or even a female trap set to snare him. I know that sounds un-PC, but one thing that is common in the West past and present is a woman’s use of sex to ensnare a man by becoming pregnant. If SHE is kind, loving and supportive, then the man usually stays around. These days, we often have a combo of the trap and feminist attitude/arrogance, plus the triple threat of anti-male legisllation/practices where men are easily set up for domestic violence charges, liabilities if children are involved, and a trend in laws that make even child rearing difficult for a man. (Since I am a retired doctor and practiced mostly in Northern California during the decades of 1980-2000, I know of many cases where men really got ruined by the pro-female, pro-child legal atmosphere in family law matters. On top of this, I trained a few years ago with my new state’s bar association as a guardian ad litem, so I can speak with some knowledge about trends in family law on a broader scale).

            The trend set by the women’s movement, led by NOW since the late 1960s has led to a condition where fewer men can hope to find jobs that let them “lead” a family and otherwise have the power to be what some women who may have selected to be wives and mothers (in that order), but the majority of women out there work and are independent of men. In many other relationships, she is the breadwinner, while it is the man that earns a lesser, supplemental income. On top of this, many women have children outside of marriage and end up having a number of baby “daddies.”

            An alpha male is a male that is a leader among men, but there are many levels of that in a complicated culture. Women’s perceptions of who is an alpha male is often the determining factor. All those girls screaming at a pop star are reacting to their simplest impulses. I have had experiences of being taken as one, as an athlete, performer, and doctor (you’d be amazed at how many women, many married, make overtures to a male doctor. Could I tell stories!).

            All of this leaves any male with any “balls” and brains a pretty bleak scenario. This tends to make them cynical about the entire issue. I am 61, but I never had a child because I was careful and could never find a woman that I could trust (and there were plenty) enough to marry let alone have my child. I was finally married when I was 47. It took me that long to find a woman that was not ruled by feminism; did not have the urge to constantly be trying to prove something to me. Interestingly, she came from a well off family, is college educated (fine arts degree, did some acting, etc., and she pursued me. I was pretty cynical by then). Whereas in almost every other case (save a couple instances where they were rich but ruined by feminism) was looking to find me their ticket to a good set up. I could smell the trouble every time and barely escaped a couple bad situations. But I remained unscathed and able to live my later life with some happiness in a good relationship, no contentions, no competition, good times, even in difficult situations.

            This is the problem for not just Americans, but I suspect Canadians as well as some European cultures as well. Women are thorny prospects. It’s going to take a great deal of correction to repair the deep damage feminism has done to relationships and white culture and I don’t know if it is even possible without a collapse devastating enough to require people to relearn their basic survival roles. But that might be nature’s way of correcting a number of imbalances.

          • Ella

            I appreciate you sharing your story about dating and courting. I agree with you on many things about the attitudes of women being hyper-competitive with men today. It will destroy a relationship or marriage. (I think the materialism is worse in CA though and the nontraditional mindset.) I think that there are some cultural power differences much earlier than the postmodern relationships. For example, Scandinavian women may be more “independent” and “dominate” since they ran own governments and small businesses as the men went off to trade, explore seas or hunt for longer periods of time. Germanic women can be dominate and outspoken due to earlier introduction to the political sphere and higher education.

            Some men enjoy a women being less “dependent” since it offers more income for household expenses like paying a mortgage off earlier, better retirements, better communities and more financial securities. Today, many women have NO choice but to work if the man does not make enough income; as a result, the family will suffer more so from one bread-winner. (Most do not get a doctor’s salary as an engineer or accountant.) Women still desire financial security from men since raising children have such a long-term investment over the years. Some women do tolerate too much bad behaviours from men, so as doctor you also know the truth about alcoholism, sex addictions, philanderers, gamblers, and slothful men. It goes both ways, and women will throw out men who are not worth something. Both men and women have to offer something “honest” and “good” to make a relationship or marriage work. Raising kids take dedication and much care from the man if he wants to see his bio-children to be successful and happy people. I know many successful and contented families who live like I described, without dysfunctional attitudes.

            On dating, anyone who dates knows that you have to go through 5-10 people to find one compatible and caring person. Men have to compete for women. As nature dictates in most mammals, you struggle to mate. Men have to take risks like women. Our fear is to end up with an abuser or punitive man. Men have the pressure to provide finances. Women offer men sexual access and will mate when she feels secure. Overall, it is the welfare State that has both ruined the trust between men and women making it easier for men and women to defy their natural roles and commitments. Both men and women desire freedom today more than child rearing, Both males and females still desire a caring partner when they finally settle down together. Raising children is very time demanding and takes much energy or focus from the relationship at times. It’s a hard balance.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            To attempt to be quick; First, as a doctor and individual, I found women to be far more prone to problems like drugs, etc., than men. I even learned in 2010 when I did the Guardian ad Litem training that the reason women most often lose custody of the children is because of meth use. Many women have learned to use the system put in place by feminists to abuse and use men and the system. I know of one case right now of a hard working man of 30 whose wife went down on drugs. She recently tried to get the children back so that she could get the welfare benefits that come with custody. She lost them initially because of drugs and abandoning them for hours to go do drugs. Once this was brought up by the attorney this poor guy had to retain to fight her off and protect his kids, she disappeared. He’s trying to get a divorce so that he won’t have to deal with this again. Hate to say that is is not unusual these days. I know of a case where a guy was paying child support to his ex and she made more than him, moved further away to a new job (nurse) so that he couldn’t see his kids. Then he got hit while riding his bicycle to work. He missed two payments and then lost his driver’s license. I tried to help, but when he didn’t get a settlement for the accident, he ended up committing suicide. The stat for white men over 65 committing suicide is very high. No one cares. In fact, it is often joked about online. As I illustrated before, for most men, marriage and kids represents the entry into a world where the chances of being a social and legal victim is so high, many young men don’t want anything to do with it and just take women (sex) as it comes via the loose society that feminism has also helped (in a big way) to create.

            Speaking of choice; in today’s culture, women have far many more choices than men. Using dress as an analogy is a good metaphor. Women can and often dress in men’s clothing. It is also increasingly popular for women to take men’s names. But for a man to wear anything but a narrow range of selection is a good path to scorn and laughter, let alone social ostracizing. Ties are bad for men, having a snug piece of cloth around the neck promotes high blood pressure (via the carotid sinus stimulation), but the tie remains a rope around the man’s neck. While women may show cleavage and still be considered professional, the man next to her must remain in the straight jacket. Women have politically bullied their way into every line and institution in Western society. Can it be surprising that this would come with some costs and inconveniences for the average woman?

            In Scandinavian history, women had more political power than many women of other cultures. I can’t say that it’s because of this or that, and I don’t agree that it was because the men were “off” raiding or something because that is not what they had been doing for hundreds of years before the Viking era. It probably has more to do with the climate and the requirement of everyone to fight to protect the children, etc. But a woman could divorce a man by publicly declaring the divorce and even have trial by combat with a man (with a huge handicap on the man via putting him in a chest high, narrow pit). Feminism loves Marxism and this has also gone a long way in creating the problems you remark upon here as well as the ones I am mentioning. But the problems in Scandinavia today, with the high rape and violence
            against white women reflects the problem that the loss of CHIVALRY due to feminism has produced. Think about that for a while. When I hear of another woman being raped and beat up or worse at three in the morning, you know what I am wondering; Why was she walking home alone and why at that time?

            The system (cultural/political environment) we “enjoy” today is the result of a number of factors, one is capitalism that has made simpler life impossible and the another is (again) feminism. But it is even more complicated than that. I do not doubt that there is no good solution as long as the situation remains unchanged by such a collapse that people must return to the arrangements and skills they possessed before the 20th century. That includes a cultural return to co-dependence and cooperation between individual men and women out of the necessity of survival.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    It may be that a harp like instrument was invented in Egypt, but not sub-Saharan Africa. She probably endorses the Afro-centric “theory” of negro domination of ancient Egypt, so she makes the general claim. This is a good example of why blacks should not be in orchestras; the eventual theft and then destruction of European culture (along with the people).

  • Katherine McChesney

    Nope.

    And don’t care either.

  • Katherine McChesney

    I get tickled over blacks using three names. It seems to be “actin’ white” to me.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      They do lots of things with names and self-created titular sounding handles in order to lift themselves up. It’s a form of “stolen glory,” as when someone wears a medal they didn’t earn themselves.

      When Indians would seize and wear a dead soldiers jacket or hat (scalp or whatever) it was an expression of a victory and a spiritual claim to that person’s “life force.” This exists in many cultures and soldiers taking ears in Vietnam was an aberration of this as well. The way it is being done today is to “own” women (as Genghis Khan wrote about “wearing their women like a necklace”), skewing meanings, wearing clothing in manners unintended, etc., along with the other thefts. Taking over the entire culture requires infiltration into its most “sacred” or hallowed institutions, like classical music, ballet, and all other forms of white culture. I detest people that really got it rolling in the 1980s by putting blacks into Shakespeare’s plays, assuming white characters as if it were normal and expected. TV and commercials are doing the same thing. I don’t know about you, but I really do feel like a stranger in America.

      • David Ashton

        Every sympathy with this view of the infltration of hallowed institutions like ballet and classical music, and their distortion, quite apart from inappropriate-appearance casting.

        Another minor example of this process is the insertion of a black face in a random position in a uniformed parade of soldiers in Britain, disrupting the whole aesthetic.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          I actually have the article from the mid 90s where the first black member of the Grenadier Guards (for procession) was announced. How far will they let the decline go? Do you have any hopeful thoughts?

          • David Ashton

            “Wir haben nicht die Freiheit, dies oder jenes zu erreichen, aber die, das Notwendige zu tun oder nichts. Und eine Aufgabe, welche die Notwendigheit der Geschichte gesellt hat, wird gelost, mit dem einzelnen oder gegen ihn.” – Oswald Spengler, “Der Untergang des Abendlandes”, conclusion.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I don’t speak (or read) German, but I DO have a copy of “The Decline of the West,” which you give here in German, I believe.

            I think I get the idea, but feel welcomed to elaborate.

          • David Ashton

            See the final passage in Atkinson’s excellent translation, vol.2, p.507. Also worth reading is “Hour of Decision”. Spengler is not an “optimist” and tends to recommend dignified endurance, but one gets hints of encouragement of an heroic resistance to “race and class war” to prevent a premature “end of the white world”.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I read most of the book about seven years ago. For the benefit of posters there are several very good reviews/discussions by scholars of this work and his philosophy. The only skeptical point I hold is that he wrote this as a young/middle aged man. Had he lived to an older age, I think his philosophical view of the course of Western civilization would have been enlarged and modified in places.

          • David Ashton

            Agreed. His acute insight that Western civilization was Faustian, i.e. actively extensive in space and time, was not taken to its logical conclusion whereby we could prolong our own life by science, as he was too captivated imaginatively by the Classical model of decline.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Few people, I believe actually grasp the complex nature of correlating, intersecting conditions and events. History is written after it occurs and often only some period of removal from the actual events makes it possible to attain the “Olympian View.”

            Lately, I have been reviewing the websites that deal with future predictions, such as the The Futurists, but they expunged some stuff that I used to use in some of my posts, the main one being from the 1980 decade conference wherein Issac Asimov predicted a dire future based on mathematical projections of biological growth, stability and decline in a closed culture (which is what the earth is). It seems they have become a bit overrun by high tech optimisms that make the future often look like a episode from Star Trek. Even so, they don’t go to the point of suppressing unhappy data completely and are not overtly political, as far as I have been able to assess various studies and commentary so far.

          • David Ashton

            Some of these hi-tech predictions seem to ignore the millions upon millions of people living in poor conditions outside the scientific circles of the USA. Nothing new about that, though – e.g. the film “Things to Come”.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Well, in 1980, Issac Asimov, while sitting at the convention asserted the closed culture, mathematical reality of biological life on earth. That includes the masses of people living in poor conditions, it includes the entire complex of life on this planet.

          • David Ashton

            What is your opinion of Olaf Stapledon (if readers are interested)?

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            This encapsulates the reason for whites to read or at least be familiar with him. Actually reading his works is a bit of a labor because it requires foreknowledge that most people simply don’t possess due to the deeper loss of Western Culture as represented by for example, Classical Humanities and other now considered worthless, “Liberal Arts” that were once a requirement for any advanced degree in higher education. (Because of this, his work could be used as a vehicle for self-education, if one were to actually research what they lack in understanding as they read).

            In the U.S., these subjects (in a basic way, were part of even elementary education in the late 19th, early 20th centuries. I own some text books from that era, which includes one on Elementary Latin. Many of my generation were raised with a copy of the Encyclopedia Britannica in the home. I own a copy of the 1954 edition. There is a dedication page in the first volume; “Dedicated by Permission, to the Heads of the Two English Speaking Peoples, Dwight David Eisenhower, President of the United States of America, and Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.” The contrast of such cultural indicators with today might represent some of a complete notion of how much Western Culture has already been lost or forgotten, even by whites.

          • David Ashton

            Complete agreement with you on this – same in the “UK”. Sad, but true.

  • Katherine McChesney

    I walk around my section of town which used to be a beautiful clean White neighborhood.Now we have blacks who roam the area bumming money off Whites, leaving their empty 40 oz. beer bottles all over the place. Their ghetto blaster cars interrupt the silence at night. Assaults, shootings and rapes have increased. It sickens me to see them bring down the neighborhood.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      I just heard that 50,000 dogs are running wild in the streets of Detroit. “Gone to the dogs,” is an expression that is based on what happens when civilizations fall.

  • Ella

    Blacks do play musical instruments but they choose marching, jazz or the Blues bands. In a way, he just discounted Blacks by not performing formally in a orchestra. Dworkin is a dork. Much of the classical pieces are based on heritage….European heritage to be exact. You don’t see many Whites playing steel drums.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    Absolutely correct.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    I don’t know…. many studies have shown that listening to classical music elevates the IQ and enhances technical work production.

    But I once knew a surgical nurse in California that told me that the operating room she worked in blasted rock and roll during procedures. I think that might depend upon what sort of rock and roll you’re talking about (progressive r&r is classical music inspired) but subjecting a sedated patient’s eardrums that way seems completely unethical.

  • David Ashton

    I recall reading only Jung’s comment on the impact of blacks “jumping and rocking” on 20th century American music. But I find any “damnation” by “psychiatrists” of the huge corpus of European classical music as irrelevant, false and pernicious as the impact of “psycho-analysis” itself on western culture. What is the significance of “simply not modern” anyway?

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    Getting Middle Eastern religions out of European lives and cultures once and for all ought to be on the white realists checklist for survival. All it has done is usurp what it cannot destroy and cause endless civil wars among whites. We have a purer, more indigenous spirituality that is supported by older religious outlooks that don’t come with such vivid contradictions and ridiculous claims/dangerous expectations. Christianity has always been and continues to be a plague on whites.

  • cecilhenry

    This posting is so timely.

    Here is what I posted on another site about a similar issue with ‘diversity’:

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    Can BUGS members HELP in coming up with a good Mini Mantra to
    respond specifically and strongly to the demand for more ‘Diversity’

    I see this all around, in the media, in any organization someone (an
    opportunistic freerider) is always calling for more diversity as a way
    to make things fairer, better and more just.

    The fact that this is ethnic and racial activism, negative for whites and hypocritical is never even seen.

    What I’m trying to coming up with is a way to devastating point out
    this anti-white attitude, the hyprocrisy and how contemptible these
    people really are.

    BUT HOW??

    For example, the Dental organization I work for just published an
    call from an Asian Doctor calling for more diversity in dentistry.

    There was veiled opposition in the form of ‘we don;t need an
    affirmative action in Canada’, ‘let the best person be chosen’,’why does
    this assume that there are no qualified visible minorities right now’,
    to ‘diversity in not one of the priorities in Dentistry today’

    The Asian Doctor even had the audacity to say that ‘he has a list of
    outstanding minorities who should be given ever opportunity to
    contribute, but are being left out’

    Meanwhile the usual ‘Diversity is our strength’, and immigration is
    our future (this of course implies a NON-white future for a white
    nation) is spouted off.

    How can we challenge the racial motivations and hypocrisy behind these demands?

    How can we point out that it is genocide and anti-white?

    Howe can we make them respond to their assumption that displacing
    whites and white people in their own nations is both fine and good?

    Any help in Generating a Mini-Mantra would really help!!

    I think we need to give ‘diversity’ the bad name it deserves.

    Thanks.

  • David Ashton

    Freud notoriously had a rare clinical aversion to music. He was the psychiatric cripple, not the composers, orchestras, singers and listeners of European classical music and ballet in all its variety.

    Whatever the truth about the Mozart Effect, there is laboratory evidence that classical music triggers activity in the nucleus accumbens (pleasure) and also areas of the prefrontal cortex (abstract decision-making), reduces blood-pressure, and relaxes tension more than “pop”.

    My wife is an accomplished musician, piano teacher, composer and formerly a Dalcroze-method practitioner, and regards your comment on “many” immature or manic-depressive emotions as nonsense, but then she would, wouldn’t she? Perhaps she should go to a “psychiatrist” for a permanent cure of her interests and abilities? Any suggestions, convairXF92.

  • convairXF92

    Not to say I agree with Adorno by any means! Nor with the aforementioned baby boomers.

  • convairXF92

    Venezuela has “El Sistema”, which gives classical instrument training to young people of all races and social classes. Gustavo Dudamel (LA Philarmonic) is a product of this system. It seems to succeed in its purpose in Venezuela. However, I have my doubts about the efforts to copy the program in the US. In Venezuela it is strongly bonded with Venezuelan nationalism, for one thing.

  • David Ashton

    Having complained about contributors who have missed my own efforts at irony, I am humbled. Your kind wishes for my wife are much appreciated, and your effort to restore “romantic idealism” in music, which to “a conceptual consciousness” provides “a unique reward” – and at a higher level than “tiddlywink” movie melodies.

  • David Ashton

    Thomas Tallis, Anton Bruckner, James MacMillan?
    Ivan Dzerzhinsky, Guiseppe Mule, Werner Egk?

    “Thou shalt have no other tastes before mine, for only a true individualist would realise that Spillane is superior to Shakespeare” (Anon Yard).

    Carl Jung, I discovered today, could “not abide polyphonic music”.

    Alfred Adler’s main relaxation was music.