Gun Crime Up After Stop-and-Frisk Ruling

Jamie Schram and Kirstan Conley, New York Post, September 19, 2013

The recent ruling against stop-and-frisk has emboldened the city’s pistol-packing perps.

In the month after federal judge Shira Scheindlin’s decision that the police procedure is unconstitutional, shootings spiked nearly 13 percent—and gun seizures plummeted more than 17 percent, The Post has learned.

During the 28 days ending Sept. 8, there were 140 shootings across the Big Apple, compared with 124 during the same period last year, the figures show.

And the number of gunshot victims was up more than 9 percent, with 164 people struck by bullets this year, compared with 150 shot over that month last year.

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Meanwhile, cops seized only 239 firearms between Aug. 10 and Sept. 8, compared with 289 weapons taken off the streets during the same period last year.

Gun charges are also down, by more than 15 percent, with monthly arrests dropping to 417 this year from 492 last year, according to NYPD statistics.

Sources blamed the disturbing trends on Scheindlin’s ruling, which was handed down two days after the start of this year’s monthly reporting period.

“Shootings are going through the roof now because perps are not afraid to carry a gun,” a source said.

Scheindlin wrote in her 195-page decision that stop-and-frisk violated the rights of minorities.

Another NYPD source said that cops are no longer being “proactive” with stop-and-frisk because “they’re scared of being sued. They feel as if the city is not going to indemnify them in lawsuits,” the source said.

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  • Jenkem Huffington

    Guns don’t commit crimes, blacks and browns do.

    • Erasmus

      Blaming guns for crimes is like blaming gin for Teddy Kennedy being a falling-down drunk.

    • Brian

      The NRA is to blame here… and by NRA, of course I mean Negros Running Amok.

  • Puggg

    And there’s an election for Mayor in New York coming up soon which will be absolutely crucial.

    • Want SQF to continue in New York? Vote Joe Lhota. That’s all there is to it.

    • IstvanIN

      If DeRacetraitor gets in New Yorker’s will have Dinkins II.

    • Oil Can Harry

      And the winner will be Bill “Herman Munster” De Blasio who opposes SQF.

      De Blasio rose to the top of the polls because he has an interracial marriage. In case you haven’t noticed most of my fellow New Yorkers are insane.

  • MekongDelta69

    And articles like this is why the (so-called conservative) NY Post doesn’t allow comments anymore.

  • Jefferson

    You can not have a Libertarian society in a city like New York which is full of Puerto Ricans, African Americans, Jamaicans, and Dominicans.

    A society like that only works if it is a police state.

    • Stentorian_Commentator

      Indeed. Talk of rights can only be conducted within a shared set of values and mores. “Rights” are like rights of way, the result of an assessment of the relative importance of competing interests and the determination that one interest has to give way to another. That can occur only when we are talking about the same values and the same importance given to each. Otherwise we just talk past each other, and it’s no wonder there is conflict. Libertarians believe that an individual can own objects and his right to possess them generally overrules others’ interests in possessing them. Blacks and browns have a more provisional sense of the value of individual ownership, and feel quite justified in redistributing ownership when it suits them. In such a culture, talk of rights becomes meaningless. The central government has to come in and sort it out, like in Singapore.

      • The problem I have with this is that while it sounds nice, it’s a dangerous road to venture down because the state is always changing hands. So while the government may be run by traditionalists at some point, that system of state power will eventually switch hands and be run by a statist. I wish I were wrong and would love to hear how I am, but I don’t think I’m wrong.

    • Luca

      Nor can you have society run by Liberal/Leftists/Marxists anywhere on the planet. Once you do, it is only a matter of time before it implodes.

    • Erasmus

      Ain’t diversity (vomit) grand???

      • Jefferson

        If New York City did not have such a great night life and it was not the financial capital of the world, you would barely see any Whites faces in The Big Apple. It would just be a bigger version of Detroit.

        • newscomments70

          It’s on the way. Chelsea Clinton’s 50 million dollar penthouse will not be worth much in 10 years. I wonder how much a fancy penthouse in Detroit cost? (Are there any left that haven’t turned into crack houses?)

        • MarcB1969

          It almost was by the mid-1970’s. Much of it was a violent and desolate wasteland with wanton lawlessness. The city would be nothing today without people like Donald Trump investing in the city when almost everybody else had given up on it (when everything was a deal) and influential bankers providing emergency loans that kept it afloat long enough for it to reemerge as a yuppie hotspot in the 1980’s.

    • Oil Can Harry

      You’re half right. If libertarians ran NY state and eliminated welfare handouts you’d see a mass exodus of blacks and hispanics to other states, thus invalidating the need for SQF.

      However, the point is moot as minorities and white liberals would never permit hardcore libertarians to be elected in the first place.

  • Lewis33

    Judge Shira Scheindlin…all that needs to be said.

  • On the one hand, there is the mantra about preferring the danger of freedom to the security of slavery, a point of view that has me as an advocate; however, I supported Stop and Frisk because I don’t believe it violated anybody’s rights. The policy was based on logical deduction, not racial targeting for racial targeting’s sake.

    • SQF is a Terry stop, which is perfectly constitutional. I fail to see how stopping (disproportionately, wink wink) thuggy looking blacks and black/mulatto Hispanics and shaking them down for guns which far far far more often than not they use for criminal purposes is akin to slavery.

    • CoweringCoward

      I hate the idea of stop and frisk, it just goes back to the old binary choice.
      Blacks,
      Freedom,
      Civilization,
      Pick any two.

      • Brian

        1st Law of Afro-Dynamics: With blacks, you can’t win, and you can’t even break even.
        2nd Law of Afro-Dynamics: Blacks, freedom, civilization: pick any two.

        Anyone care to propose the Third Law?

        • The entropy of an African’t at rest is exactly equal to zero.

          Sorry; I paraphrased the real Third Law of Thermodynamics.

  • Spartacus

    So long as they only kill each other, I don’t care. If you’re a police officer in New York, just wait 60 seconds after you get a call about a crime in a non-white neighborhood, and the perps will be gone by then.

    • bigone4u

      The problem is that when they get away with killing each other, they get bold enough to venture into white areas where the easy pickins be.

      • Spartacus

        Then make sure you’re not easy pickins .

        • The problem with that in NYC is the infamous “Sullivan Law”, which guarantees the perps a disarmed public. That said, I find the irony of a liberal federal judge making NYC’s strict gun-control laws effectively unenforceable to be quite hilarious.

          • Spartacus

            Then ignore the law. It’s not complicated, or else the groids wouldn’t be able to do it.

          • There’s a problem there as well. White guys who might be inclined to carry a concealed, illegal pistol in NYC tend to have things like families and jobs that they don’t want to lose when they’re doing a nice, long prison stretch. The blacks and browns won’t work, don’t get married, and don’t support their children. Since they don’t have the responsibilities that whites shoulder, getting arrested isn’t as big a deal to them.

          • Spartacus

            Well, they can’t just take it lying down like that, or else their children are gonna get raped and killed by groids. They should make a support system, where if one of them goes to prison, the others chip in to make sure his kids are taken care of.

          • I suspect the guys who are that serious have simply left New York. One can always get a job somewhere else.

          • Spartacus

            There must be something they can do. Are there any WN groups in New York ?

    • Mergatroyd

      The perps will be dead by then. I’m sure the judge’s liberal NY neighborhood isn’t being shot up but she can pat herself on the back for ending an evil republican policy.

    • MBlanc46

      All black violence needs to be ruthlessly suppressed. Blacks will not understand that it’s okay to shoot other blacks but not to shoot whites. There should be a long prison sentence for the first violent crime, no matter who the victim is.

  • bigone4u

    Stop and frisk is unconstitutional, but disarming the citizenry is legal? Only in the mind of a libtard judge does that compute. Liberalism is not only a mental illness, but it puts everyone’s lives at risk. Pray for Bernard Goetz, Jr. to teach the punks a lesson.

    • Jefferson

      Stop And Frisk will be brought back to New York City if the Darkies leave their ghetto housing projects and start going to the neighborhoods where the Wall Street brokers live and start committing crimes there in mass.

      if that scenario happens, the wealthy in New York City will use all of their power to bring back Stop And Frisk by any means.

    • Brian

      Mr. Goetz was the patron saint of ‘white hispanics’ everywhere. 😉

  • D.B. Cooper

    I’m looking forward to the rise in crime. Reasoning with the white liberal has failed. They need some literal sense knocked into them.

    • exlib93

      I moved the hell out of New York City this summer, I grew up there, every year more sickened by those naïve libs. Glad I missed that Union Square incident. Let it sink in the ocean. I hope the apes overrun it, and make every stupid liberal terrified to leave their homes.

  • ZeitTrash

    World War N

  • Truthseeker

    Laws struck down because they discriminate against minorities end up working against the majority.

  • Mergatroyd

    It’s early yet. Give it a few more months and New York will pass Chicago again.

    Detroit’s new police chief has restarted the stop and frisk policy that Coleman Young ended years ago. Look at the numbers again in 5 years.

  • William Krapek

    Good. Let them kill each other.

    • The prospect of the largest city in a major blue state turning into a war zone does not exactly distress me.

  • Luca

    One should fish where the fish are. If you live in a high black area then basically you live in a high crime area. Who else is there to stop in a high crime/black area?

    • David_in_NY

      I have lived in an area you call “high crime” because you think that wherever black people live must be such a place. The police have always been allowed to stop people there, and anywhere, whom they reasonably believe to possess a weapon. They still can. If they aren’t doing that job any more, that’s a problem the police department should fix. But that job doesn’t require that they randomly detain black people, without any evidence they might be committing a crime (as the evidence shows they were doing). Got that?

      • I have lived in an area you call “high crime” because you think that wherever black people live must be such a place.

        Sure, where would anyone get the silly idea to conflate black area and high crime? Other than by paying attention and noticing things, both grave sins here in egalitarian wackoville.

      • Luca

        Basically, anywhere in the world where you find a high percentage of blacks, you find a corresponding number of crimes. This is not something “I think”, it’s a statistical fact. There may be a few exceptions but not many.

        When I am momentarily detained at the airport or at a border crossing I don;t go running to the ACLU, instead I am grateful that the people paid to protect me are doing their jobs.

  • kjh64

    Here is the deal. The Left wants to crow on and on about America’s gun laws being the cause of gun violence. They want to ban all guns. Here’s the problem, most criminals don’t use guns gotten legally so banning guns would not only NOT stop the gun violence, crime would increase because a lot of crime has been thwarted by legal gun owners. The problem is not America’s gun laws, the problem is young Black males. The way to stop gun violence is to VERY strongly police Black neighborhoods where there is a lot of gun violence, use stop and frisk, curfews, stiff sentences and other means. THIS would stop a lot of the gun violence. However, any attempt to do this will be met with screams of racism. The problem of gun violence won’t be solved in America until we stop being politically correct and denying reality and the Left and Blacks refuse to do that.

  • GeneticsareDestiny

    Wow, I bet no one could have predicted this. [/sarc]

  • PouponMarks

    Gun toting thieves in Britstain held up Tony Blair’s daughter on the street where she lives, close to her house costing over $ 1 million dollars. It’s a ritzy neighborhood, where several neighbors remark that they do not go out at night..

    But wait a minute. Guns are totally banned in Britstain. Didn’t the robbers know that their guns were illegal? How can they be in possession of same? Obviously, MORE gun laws are required here to deprive regular citizens their right to self defense.

    Even if a “Booby”, a London City peeliceman, was close by, he is unable to apprehend because he is prohibited from carrying a firearm.

  • Exactly; the reason those perps aren’t on the streets committing more crimes is because the courts have very thoughtfully locked them up. Even the rare ones who want to go straight after release have a problem, as they wind up associating with the same people they knew before their incarceration, and their old habits resurface.

    Most of these guys can’t be salvaged because they not only have no marketable skills that would conceivably get them jobs, they don’t even want jobs. Work would require taking orders from The Man. Additionally, 50 years of social welfare programs have acted as a disincentive to any personal responsibility among them.

  • OlderWoman

    I believe black churches encourage their members to live out their fleshly lives with vigor. That they will receive forgiveness. I know they teach that it’s moral to defy the legal system because the legal system is ‘rayciss’.

  • Who said this within the last few days?

    If I told you that one out of three African-American males is [prohibited] by law from voting, you might think I was talking about Jim Crow, 50 years ago. Yet today a third of African-American males are still prevented from voting because of the war on drugs. The war on drugs has disproportionately affected young black males. The ACLU reports that blacks are four to five times more likely to be convicted for drug possession, although surveys indicate that blacks and whites use drugs at about the same rate. The majority of illegal drug users and dealers nationwide are white, but three-fourths of the people in prison for drug offenses are African American or Latino.

    Would you vote to make someone who said this the President of the United States? Too many of our people would, considering who said it.

    • Oil Can Harry

      I guessed that was Rand Paul and unfortunately I was right. That is some SAD pandering right there.

      • If any left wing Democrat said this, we would be roasting him or her from the gates of Hell to the gates of St. Peter. But because someone with the surname Paul said it, I’m sure there are still a few of our people on the ready to make excuses. Thankfully, that number is dwindling.

        I’ll break it down like this: If the Presidential race is between Rand Paul spouting rhetoric like this to pander to blacks, and a typical Democrat who openly wants to keep the war on drugs the way it is, the Democrat will get the usual 99% of the black vote. That’s because what Rand Paul doesn’t understand is that black voters want welfare and gibsmedat more than anything in the whole wide world.

  • David_in_NY

    The problem with stop and frisk (the unconstitutional NYPD-Bloomberg kind) was that it resulted in stopping mostly innocent people (more than 90%), and very, very few of the other had guns (way low single digits). So it did very little to affect guns in the first place. In addition, the police had been reducing their reliance on this flawed tactic for some time before the judge’s decision with no ill effects (as one would expect from the statistics — stopping innocent people doesn’t stop crime). If, and I say if, there’s been a momentary statistical spike in gun violence, it’s almost certainly either because 1) crime goes up and down some all on its own, or 2) somebody’s begun cooking the books. It takes a wholly unrealistic view to believe in an instant response to a judge’s ruling that just happened and that acts only to deter unconstitutional stops (i.e., the police can always stop somebody the have actual reason to believe has a gun). The job of the police is to stop people they have reasonable ground to believe are carrying guns — not just to round up folks in particular neighborhoods. The first will help stop gun violence; the second, not so much.

    • Brian

      Even if a guy didn’t have his piece on him, wouldn’t the S&F catch guys on outstanding warrants, and thus prevent a later time when the guy is carrying? How much of a factor is that?

      • Good thinking. I hadn’t thought of the fact that US police cars all carry computers connected to the NCIC database. If officer Fitzpatrick picks up Jamal Washington for an outstanding warrant, it doesn’t matter that Jamal isn’t carrying.

        • Brian

          There are probably a number of things like this– just the idea that Jamal knows he is a likely target of S&F, and that he has been S&F-ed before, might make him a tad less likely to engage in shenanigans. Opponents of the S&F hammer away on this one idea of the targets not often having weapons, as if that’s the only thing.

          • David_in_NY

            What you describe is a policy of police terrorism against one racial group. You wouldn’t like it if it was all Mario’s and Sean’s being picked up, I bet. But you love terrorism practiced against others. That’s the real problem here.

          • Brian

            You have a rather tame definition of ‘terrorism’. What I want is for the police resources to target groups according to their proportion of crime, which they have been. ‘Why do you rob banks? Because that’s where the money is.’ You send the police where the crime is, and in NYC, it’s 89% black/hispanic. Sean and Mario keep their noses relatively clean. When they stop doing that, then by all means, bring the hammer down.

  • JohnEngelman

    Whenever one talks about black crime liberals try to suppress the discussion. If they cannot they try to change it to “non violent drug crime,” or to “white collar crime” which is presumed to be committed by whites.

    If I have ever been a victim of white collar crime, I did not notice. I sure noticed when four blacks beat me up and nearly murdered me.

  • Users of hard drugs frequently do all sorts of nasty stuff while they are high.

  • itdoesnotmatter

    “they would not care a wit about not having “chilluns”.”

    mendells, you are wrong on that one.

    Black men [messcans too] bang on and strut about their numerous sprogs with different baby mamas.

    They say, “I be havin’ dis strooong sperm” [that’s the expression I’ve heard blx use]. It’s a cultural macho thing.
    Same as in Africa. White do-gooders travel there to pass out condoms, distribute oral contraceptives, but it’s hopeless. Even if the women want to use birth control, their men won’t let them.

  • Brian

    This is one of the suspicions I have about drug legalization. There are a lot of things about decrim, at least for pot, that sound fine in theory. People don’t get locked up at our expense for nothing, lives aren’t ruined, etc. But a lot of those locked up for weed would otherwise wind up in prison for something more serious– many are not boy scouts. So we let them run free and wait til they rob or kill someone?

    • That’s our point. Virtually nobody is in prison for weed (possession) alone. Look into the circumstances of someone who seems to be in prison for weed possession, and you’ll find either a plea deal or an existing and serious rap sheet.

  • Brian

    The simpler solution would be to require tubal ligation or vasectomy, or at least Depo-Provera, to receive SNAP/Section 8. Or even make it voluntary, with a cash subsidy, if they get it.

  • MarcB1969

    NYC liberals (like actor Kal Penn and his ilk) were very happy with stop-and-frisk because it allowed them to enjoy large stretches of the city as urban explorers even if most feigned concern over the policy. I predict much more random crime and New Yorkers sticking much closer to home and “good” neighborhoods while avoiding unfamiliar or questionable areas. It’s interesting to see that a judge is concerned about Fourth Amendment issues when non-whites are involved.

  • I remember about a case like that 10 or 15 years ago. Some groid beat up and robbed an old lady, breaking her hip in the process. NYPD caught the guy, and were laughing at him as they drove him to the police station.

    His victim was the mother of one of the local Mafia types. I would love to have seen the look on that mugger’s face when they told him who he had injured.