Census Data Mask Poverty Suffered by Some Asian American Groups

Emily Alpert, Los Angeles Times, September 25, 2013

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The Sems, who trace their roots to Cambodia, have little in common with the stereotype of Asian Americans as a “model minority” that is faring well economically. Poverty is less common, on average, among Asian Americans, Native Hawaiians and Pacific Islanders than the Los Angeles County average, data from the U.S. Census Bureau show. But those overall statistics mask deep financial woes among some Asian Americans, a report released Wednesday shows.

For instance, one-quarter of people of Cambodian descent in Los Angeles County lived in poverty between 2006 and 2010—exceeding other disadvantaged groups such as Latinos and African Americans, the civil rights group Asian Americans Advancing Justice-Los Angeles found in its analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data.

“There’s always been a recession in our community,” said Lian Cheun, executive director of the nonprofit Khmer Girls in Action. “The pain has always been there. It’s just not well known.”

Tongan Americans have even more stunning poverty rates, the report found, with more than half estimated to be living under the poverty line countywide between 2006 and 2010. Because the community is so small, the estimates are rough and the actual poverty rate might be somewhat lower—but still far above the county average.

The new report seeks to uncover such problems, using U.S. Census Bureau and other government data to poke holes in the “model minority” stereotype and illustrate the changes sweeping such communities.

Asian Americans have become the fastest-growing group in Los Angeles County, which now has not only the biggest Chinese and Korean communities in the country, but also the largest number of people of Thai, Indonesian, Sri Lankan, Filipino, Cambodian, Burmese and Taiwanese descent, the report found.

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In addition to those economic struggles, nearly 1 out of 4 Asian Americans across the county have trouble speaking English, the civil rights group calculated using Census Bureau data. The numbers are especially high for Angelenos of Korean descent as well as those with roots in Myanmar, Vietnam, Taiwan or Cambodia. {snip}

The report found ethnic Cambodian and Laotian Angelenos were also much less likely to have college degrees, compared with the county average. Native Hawaiians and Pacific Islanders lagged behind in college completion too.

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When people glance only at the Asian American/Pacific Islander averages, “it looks like we’re doing really well,” Tulua said. “And we’re not.”

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  • dd121

    Of course the libs won’t draw the conclusion that the increased poverty is due to Obamma’s policies.

    • JohnEngelman

      If you think they would be better off under the Republicans you are delusional.

      • David Ashton

        Aren’t they “Orientals” too? You’d think it would be another Silicon Valley by now. Still, I expect their chicks are pretty tasty, eh, Engleman?

        • JohnEngelman

          When I mention Orientals I mean Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and Vietnamese. The rest are Asians.

          • Sick of it

            So, no love for Mongols?

      • leftists are delusional

        I believe that States such as Texas with more free market policies suggest that less government interference means more jobs. Most of the able bodied poor would be better off working hard, than collecting handouts.

        • JohnEngelman

          The unemployment rate in Texas is 6.5 percent.

          However, Texas is an oil rich state. Mississippi is probably one of the most Republican states in the United States. In Mississippi the unemployment rate is 9.1 percent.

          Massachusetts is a fairly Democrat state, but without natural resources. The unemployment rate there is 6.6 percent.

          • leftists are delusional

            Petroleum is less than 10% of Texas’ GDP. I do not think that alone is enough to drive the economy. North Dakota’s oil boom and you might have a point.

            However, I spoke of the general trend with Texas as a well known example, and you countered with cherry picks.

            Your first – Mississippi.
            That Ol Miss with a 37% black population only has a 9.1% (actually 8.5% now) unemployment rate if anything supports my contention.

            Massachusetts, 7.9% black population with unemployment (It is actually 7.2% not 6.5%) ranked 30th for the Nation does not counter my point.

            There are exceptions to trends, but adjusting for black population the trend is clear, republican leaning states are doing better than leftist run states.

            Aug 2013 unemployment Bureau of Labor:
            1 NORTH DAKOTA 3.0
            2 SOUTH DAKOTA 3.8
            3 NEBRASKA 4.2
            4 HAWAII 4.3
            5 VERMONT 4.6
            5 WYOMING 4.6
            7 UTAH 4.7
            8 IOWA 4.9
            9 NEW HAMPSHIRE 5.0
            10 MINNESOTA 5.1
            11 MONTANA 5.3
            11 OKLAHOMA 5.3
            13 VIRGINIA 5.8
            14 KANSAS 5.9
            15 ALABAMA 6.3
            15 WEST VIRGINIA 6.3
            17 TEXAS 6.4
            18 ALASKA 6.5
            19 WISCONSIN 6.7
            20 IDAHO 6.8
            20 NEW MEXICO 6.8
            22 COLORADO 7.0
            22 FLORIDA 7.0
            22 LOUISIANA 7.0
            22 MAINE 7.0
            22 MARYLAND 7.0
            22 WASHINGTON 7.0
            28 MASSACHUSETTS 7.2
            28 MISSOURI 7.2
            30 DELAWARE 7.3
            30 OHIO 7.3
            32 ARKANSAS 7.4
            33 NEW YORK 7.6
            34 PENNSYLVANIA 7.7
            35 CONNECTICUT 8.1
            35 INDIANA 8.1
            35 OREGON 8.1
            35 SOUTH CAROLINA 8.1
            39 ARIZONA 8.3
            40 KENTUCKY 8.4
            41 MISSISSIPPI 8.5
            41 NEW JERSEY 8.5
            41 TENNESSEE 8.5
            44 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 8.7
            44 GEORGIA 8.7
            44 NORTH CAROLINA 8.7
            47 CALIFORNIA 8.9
            48 MICHIGAN 9.0
            49 RHODE ISLAND 9.1
            50 ILLINOIS 9.2
            51 NEVADA 9.5

      • Greg Thomas

        I think they would be “better off” in Cambodia! So would we….

      • dd121

        I certainly didn’t intend to imply that the Republicans are the solution to all our problems. In the culture wars and their dissing of whites they’re no different than democrats. If a republican had been elected we wouldn’t have socialized medicine, 50 million on food stamps or the same level of spending on welfare. That isn’t to say they would be balancing the budget. It would just be a small step.

    • Hal K

      Race realists need to look beyond the usual mainstream conservative talking points. If you are busy blaming everything on liberalism then you are missing the point.

      • Sick of it

        We also overlook the greatest danger to our continued survival if we ignore the cult of liberalism.

        • Hal K

          You have your priorities wrong. We already have plenty of people who battle liberalism. It is explicitly pro-white advocacy that is missing. If you put bashing liberalism ahead of advocating for whites then you are not really helping. This is the mistake made by mainstream conservatism today. It puts white solidarity aside in the hopes of winning over nonwhites, and the result is that things keep getting worse.

          • Sick of it

            Liberalism includes a multicultural point of view as opposed to a traditional American point of view. Burn it out root and branch, you end up with the results you want. Why would traditional Americans care about foreigners or how they vote after being granted fake citizenship?

            The people reaching out the most in the way you describe are the traitorous politicians who ignore their base. You will not be able to clean up corrupt politicians who have sold out.

          • Hal K

            I think you are missing something about mainstream politics, which is that liberalism and the Democratic party represent the group interests of nonwhites and feminist women. You can’t just “burn” this out. What is really needed is for whites and males to realize that they have group interests too and for them to start advocating for their own group interests. Mainstream conservatism prevents that currently, and therefore is part of the problem. Stop thinking in terms of a problem with half of the political spectrum, i.e. liberalism, and start thinking in terms of a serious defect in mainstream conservatism, which is that it keeps out white and male identity politics. Think in terms of tearing down this wall, rather than burning out a segment of the political spectrum.

            In his book, “The Righteous Mind,” Jonathan Haidt explains that conservatives are naturally loyal, and liberals are naturally disloyal. Liberalism includes disloyal whites, and conservatism includes (implicitly) loyal whites. We need to turn this implicit racial loyalty into explicit racial loyalty. Then whites will finally be able to pursue their group interests unencumbered by the need to dress it up in race-neutral terms. Nonwhites have explicit mainstream identity politics, and whites need to have it also. This is what has been lacking all this time, and mainstream conservatism is the problem.

          • Sick of it

            Umm no, you’re missing what happened to David Duke. If he had been a conservative activist, we might have had real change in this country. Change in the exact way you want. But you’re too blind to see that most people in this country don’t think in racial terms. Even Ron Paul got taken down a few notches for some little piddling quote in an old newsletter of his which may have been written by someone else.

            When people get fed up and take up arms, you will not galvanize many whites solely on racial terms. Sorry to disappoint you, but rebuilding an ethnic awareness among our people will take a d*mn long time (probably generations), thanks to a certain tribe.

            Point out our enemies as liberal socialists who want to destroy all things American…because 90% or more of the time it is an accurate statement. Problems get solved. Become a “bigot” publicly and few listen at all. I can definitely tell you that the young will not and they are the ones most likely to fight.

            And btw, by any real objective measure, many mainstream conservatives are liberal as hell.

          • Hal K

            It is your strategy that has been failing for decades. The mainstream conservative establishment keeps out white identity politics. David Duke is an extreme example. The way you point to David Duke as a negative example, you sound like an anti-white liberal, frankly.

          • Sick of it

            Umm…do you interact with people? A negative example? I was pointing out someone who could have succeeded and yet failed because of the way he put forward the message as well as his background.

            Wtf are you talking about re: the mainstream conservative establishment? We have had a Marxist establishment since 1865. And politics? Man, if the entire economy collapsed tomorrow, you’d be lucky to get a few thousand white people together solely on race issues. That is how white people are in the real world in 2013.

            If you were in your 90s, maybe I could cut you some slack, but umm one of my 80+ grandmothers has changed her point of view over time…that is how much American culture has changed.

          • Hal K

            I mean the establishment of the mainstream conservative movement and the GOP. If you think that is “Marxist” then I think you are engaging in a bait and switch argument. You say liberalism is the problem, and then you define everything in the mainstream as liberalism.

            You have the wrong attitude. You look at how things are and let that constrain your view of what should be done. Don’t just accept the anti-whiteness of our society. We have to change the culture. Your strategy is a prescription for more of the same.

            I think we have had this argument before. I wish I could get through to you, but you seem really committed to your view.

          • Sick of it

            We have had this argument before now that I think about it. And yes, mainstream conservatism of today is liberalism of yesteryear (or Marxism or progressivism or whatever). Things have changed radically in a leftward direction.

            Prescription for more of the same? Ok, if we started punishing criminals for criminal behavior, expelling foreign invaders, trying politicians for treason, closing down our borders, etc. I’m not sure how we’d get more of the same. If we got rid of welfare, guess what else would happen? If we got rid of the Department of Education as well as that vile Common Core program, things would also change in a more positive direction. There are so many problems that need to be tackled, but we should start at the beginning rather than the end.

          • Hal K

            None of these things will happen without a change in the culture. Explicit white solidarity is the key missing element.

          • Sick of it

            Before we try to achieve solidarity, we need to ensure lack of population erosion by numerous means. In the midst of that change, we could improve solidarity through patriotism (especially when dealing with border and immigrant issues). Remember, going by voting trends, as you have stated, the others are the enemies of traditional American ways. Point them out as enemies of America…of our Constitution. It’s very much true and easier to get people to accept them as enemies through such an explanation. Babies learn to crawl before they learn to walk.

          • Hal K

            It is a difficult problem to try to get explicit white solidarity into the mainstream, but I think the approach has to be both direct and incremental. The problem with your approach is it is too indirect. The whole problem with conservatism today (as put forth by people like Rush Limbaugh, etc.) is that gives whites the illusion that their interests can be represented without white identity politics, when actually they can’t. The indirect approach is our whole problem. For decades the implicitly pro-white indirect approach has been keeping white conservatives complacent while the fundamentals (especially demographics) keep getting worse.

            By “direct” I mean that advocacy has to be explicitly pro-white. It can be mildly pro-white (i.e. incremental), but as soon as you say you are advocating for everyone (including nonwhites) you have slipped into irrelevance.

    • Sentinel9

      They won’t draw that conclusion because it’s wrong. When a country goes brown, it goes down. Period. It doesn’t matter what policy Zimbabwe has.

      Libs all know that, but they scream at anybody who says it. Poverty is not the point. The point is white genocide, to destroy all white countries and only white countries.

      Genocide is not a policy. Genocide is a crime.

  • pcmustgo

    Yeah, the poor, working class, born and raised in Chinatown asians I knew were the most likely to be Dragon Ladies…and have racial issues with whites. Unassimilated, deeply resentful of middle class white americans/traditional americans.

    It angers me that immigrants don’t understand OUR IMMIGRANT ANCESTORS STRUGGLED TOO…

    I fear a big conflict between poor, non-white. brown and yellow Immigrant Americans and relatively prosperous white americans… who’s ancestors have been building wealth in this country for generations.

    • IstvanIN

      esentful of middle class white americans/traditional americans.

      The correct term is real Americans.

      • pcmustgo

        Yes, I use that term too… and as of yesterday use the term some Amren commentator came up with “Paper Americans ” or “Green Card Only Americans” to describe the others.

      • Sentinel9

        I like to say “American-American”.

      • Bossman

        The real Americans are the Mestizos in the sense that they are not Europeans or Asians or Africans but they can be all of that and more. A white American is someone who is culturally many things.

      • Brent Wood

        The correct term is genocidal parasites…Whites are Parasites..

    • Spartacus

      You have to secede and create your own White ethno-state in North America, the sooner the better, and let the animals eat each other in what’s left .

      • Bossman

        Any fragmentation of North America would just leave the door wide open for the Chinese or Russians or some other group to rush in to fill the vacuum and the world would be worse off.

        • Spartacus

          Russia has it’s own problems. Nearly 1 in 6 citizens is a muslim, and that’s not counting those that are there ilegally. China, likewise, would have huge problems when it’s main export market – the US – goes down the drain. If anything, they’ll invade Syberia, central Asia or maybe colonize Africa, which would be both simpler and more bountiful .

  • Hal K

    Uh oh. I guess our hostile elite will have to come up with a new affirmative action category for these people, who must be the victims of white people, somehow.

    • pcmustgo

      Filipino’s already get it… as do Tongans, I’m sure… they score lower on the exams and are not pure asians anyways, so yeah.

      • borogirl54

        Tongans are Pacific Islanders.

  • IstvanIN

    They’re poor in Cambodia as well.

    • Spartacus

      That’s because of racism. The rice there is so White, that it just shatters their self-esteem .

      • Magician

        Hahahahaaa

    • Sick of it

      They also supported a political party which murdered millions of people not too long ago. Maybe we shouldn’t let Cambodians in our country…

      • IstvanIN

        In all fairness was Pol Pot really supported by the majority of Cambodians? I would assume most Cambodians were too backward too have much of a political opinion.

        • Sick of it

          It would seem wiser to consider the lot of them dangerous…potentially genocidal. By the way, that party was called the Khmer Rouge. An organization mentioned in the article is called the Khmer Girls. And yes I do know about the history of the Khmer people, just saying.

  • D.B. Cooper

    If I were an aspiring California politician, I would pimp for the Boat People vote. Affirmative Action for these wretched souls! The white males of California are not going to do anything about it, so why not at least give it a try?

  • Luca

    Keep in mind their are distinctions between northern-Asian DNA groups and southern Asian DNA groups. The IQ ranges are higher for the northern groups. Japan and Korea usually top the list.

    • Spartacus

      In most countries south of China, cannibalism is still a “thing”. Here’s a pic from Thailand :

      • Katherine McChesney

        Disgusting. Thai food has been my favorite, but I will flash on the contents of this photo before I go to a thai restaurant again.

        • Mergatroyd

          What was it?

          • Spartacus

            It was a picture showing the cannibalism still practiced in Thailand.

          • Mergatroyd

            can you repost it?

          • Spartacus

            They’ll just delete it again…

    • antiallanbloom

      Also most desirable women for white men

      • Northerner

        The fact that lots of supposedly racially aware men here are married to Asian women is actually really embarrassing for AmRen.

  • White Mom in WDC

    I have seen Asians both in WDC and NoVA using food stamps and WIC. Also, there were observations on SBPDL a couple of weeks made by people in Cali that they have seen a number of Chinese on Section 8.

    I don’t believe any studies that the Feds put out. I believe what I see with my own eyes.

    • borogirl54

      I would not be surprised if the ones that you see using food stamps and WIC are newly arrived Asians that speak little or no English. In California, the people who live in San Francisco’s Chinatown are poor and could very well be using government benefits.

    • I would have to reluctantly side with Mr. Engelman in this respect: I would much rather have Chinese Section-8 voucher neighbors than blacks or Mexicans.

  • leftists are delusional

    No matter what the average IQ of a race or group, you are going to have people at the bottom of the distribution.

    Those people are going to have a tendency toward lower income.

  • Greg Thomas

    So why are we importing this third world poverty. And I bet they are ALL on welfare and every other type of assistance available!

  • Greg Thomas

    So how much more is this going to cost us. Get your check book out…

  • Northerner

    There are East Asians (e.g., Japan/China/Korea) and other Asians (e.g., Viet, Thai, etc). It’s similar to the difference between Western Europeans (e.g., Germany/Britain/France) and Eastern Europeans. The success of both of the former often masks problems faced by the rest.

    • alex

      What problems Eastern Europeans are facing?

      • Northerner

        Countries in Eastern Europe are generally worse off than their Western counterparts in almost every objective measure. A quick comparison of the HDI’s is all that’s needed to get a sense of the difference.

        • alex

          I checked HDI statistics. Countries in Western Europe are rated as having very high HDI. Countries in Eastern Europe are rated as having high HDI. They may never catch up with Western Eurabia in living standards but they have a much better chance of staying. European.

    • I think they’re more different than that. My wife’s family has accepted me, felony conviction and all, but they would never have tolerated Sayaka marrying a Chinese or Korean, let alone a southeast Asian.

  • CoweringCoward

    Having spent 10+ years married to a Thai, I know from personal experience (in the Houston area any way), that Cambodians are gamers of the system. Perhaps these folks are not as poor as their reliance on welfare programs would suggest.

    • Northerner

      By marring a Thai lady does that mean you’re 100% fine with Asian men being with White women? Because that’s what you’re implying.

      • CoweringCoward

        I knew someone would have to light me up for that one (again), I suppose I baited it.
        I have said this before, I made mistakes in life prior to becoming a full bore “realist”. To me, people should stay with their own kind but given I now have a 6 year old son (whom I love very much) how loudly can I preach? Wouldn’t do what I did again, nor would I recommend anyone else copy my deeds. That said, I do know that my son will be an asset to whichever country he eventually chooses to call home.
        I am now back with a little blonde Swede, the same one that breaking up with 12 or so years past probably drove me to such an extreme rebound.

        • pcmustgo

          Did your Thai wife take you the cleaners? Go after your money?

          • CoweringCoward

            No, she was from a far better healed family than me.

      • I don’t have a problem with the WF/AM pairing. One of the first neighbors who spoke to me after the feds had gone around the area “warning” everyone I was back from prison tried telling me in hushed tones about this horrible “Scott” guy. We’re good friends now, but apparently this Scott dude is a rough customer.

        My daughter is 13/32 white. I hope Ariadne someday finds a nicer man than my mother did. I’m OK whether he’s white or Japanese, but if he ever beats her, I’m going to kill him.

  • Sentinel9

    This race realism is harder than I thought. I can’t look at a yellow man and say he’s Asian. And since there’s even more genetic diversity among black Africans, I can’t look at a black African and call him African. But if I look at an Egyptian I do have to call him African.

    I’m sure glad all the race realists are here to set me straight.

  • Viking_61

    I met a pure blood Thai woman living in the US (same genes as Cambodians) and I would bet she is in the Forrest Gump IQ range… They really are a different breed.

    • CoweringCoward

      I have met quite a few Thais, both in the states and in Thailand, the ones I have met have been doctors or professionals. The Thais I have known are not any more prone to being mentally deficient than are whites. Cambodians and Thais are very different people and even have different shaped faces. Many Cambodians claim to be Thai and speak Thai, as when America offers asylum Thailand allows them entry while they wait for processing. During their stay they learn Thai and start claiming to be such. It’s actually a point of contention among Thais, they don’t like this and feel it gives them a bad name, they are right. If you see a “Thai” with a short round face, you are probably dealing with a Cambodian refugee.

  • Garrett Brown

    John Engleman, why aren’t you defending your Asian friends?

  • Northerner

    It’s far more important to lead by example. Otherwise they’re just words.

  • Northerner

    That argument would have more power if the exact same thing weren’t happening here in the U.S. With a struggling economy, 40 million people on food stamps and perpetual wars, we’re headed in the same direction.

  • Spartacus

    “True your native Romania has been able to stay intact while other
    nations such a Italy and Germany only came into being through
    unification efforts.”

    —————————————————————————————-

    Actually, ours was one of the last countries in Europe to unify, after the first World War , after both Italy and Germany.

  • MBlanc46

    More wonderful diversity to “strengthen” us.

  • Aditya Vivek Barot

    Most Asians, including Indians, are dumb as dirt. Furthermore, they are completely unassimilable. Their culture is very heirachial, they have never had equality before the Law, or anything resembling Rule of Law; they have no respect for Freedom of Speech, since they don’t really have anything interesting to say. They contribute nothing to Westerdom. No new ideas, not even neo-Zulu ululations. Not even philanthropy.

    The white man has lost his mind. I don’t know why the refuse of the non-European world is being feted in the US. White pathology is inscrutable.

    • Northerner

      I find it hilarious that Michael C Scott liked your comment considering his wife is Asian.

      • Aditya Vivek Barot

        I said “most,” not all. We’re talking averages here. As with all averages, there are outliers.

        The Derb, who is also a Sinophile, is exceedingly pained by this growing tendency to ignore qualifiers that refer to averages. People seem to shut down as soon as any statistically demonstrable difference between the races (or the sexes) is observed, immediately citing outliers as proof of the falsity of the observation; whereas, as the cliche suggests, it is precisely the outliers that proves the statistical observation.

        • Northerner

          That is a cop out. Discussing averages allows a great deal of hedging and fence-sitting. It conveniently lets people justify their mixed relationships. After all, these are just the above average exceptions right? What if everyone did that?

    • I wanted to reply to the person who’s comment was deleted, but I suppose this will do.

      My wife is Japanese. Not Thai, Filipina or even Chinese, but Japanese from a famous navy family.

      When I read Aditya’s post, I was instantly reminded of subcontinentals and southeast Asians. They really are as “dumb as dirt”, especially the Currystanis. I will never work with a subcontinental again or for any company that employs them in any capacity.

      Sayaka wrote to me for the three years I was locked up. Any rational, intelligent woman that solid deserves love in equal measure.

      • Aditya Vivek Barot

        Mr. Scott:

        “Currystanis” has to be the most hilarious description ever. And, yes, they are dumb as dirt. In large part, they are clerks. Glorified monkeys. No innovation, no desire for innovation.

        Also, their social awkwardness and ethnic insularity is such a turn-off (as is their complete and utter failure to dress and act like semi-evolved humans) that I simply cannot fathom why Americans think that these semi-retarded ape-worshipers are G-d’s gift to humanity.

        In addition to their utter lack of social grace, they have utter contempt for everything Western. Their highest aspiration is to acquire a white girlfriend or wife. If not, they’ll settle for enough money to live like rajahs in the old country.

        They contribute nothing, repeat, nothing to the American experience; and any semi-intelligent nation would have imposed the strictest quotas on their immigration; perhaps allowing no one other than “Macaulay’s Children” such as myself.

        • Most of the Chichis I’ve met are OK. The question at hand is how much it can be diluted out. The racial purists can say I’m not completely white, but are also bothered about my choice of a wife. I’m 3/16 Injun and “passing”. I suppose this makes me a “Mestizo”. Yuck!

  • Greg Thomas

    Perhaps it’s time we shipped that statue back to France, along with all the refuse we have allowed into this country. The downfall of a country should not be perpetrated based upon the words on a statue.

  • Try pad phed talay.

  • Brent Wood

    NOBODY ASKED WHITES TO COME TO NORTH AMERICA AND MASSACRE THE NATIVES. WHITE PARASITES WITH STDs KILLED OFF THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF NORTH AMERICA. THEY NEED TO BE WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THIS CONTINENT…