Pot Farms in California: Too Dangerous to Intervene?

Tracie Cone, NBC News, August 4, 2013

With parts of Northern California’s scenic hillsides illegally gouged by bulldozers for marijuana grows, frustrated local officials asked the state for help to protect streams and rivers from harmful sediment and the chemicals used on the pot plants.

They hoped to charge growers under federal and state clean water regulations with tougher penalties than the infractions local officials could impose. But they were rebuffed.

It’s too dangerous, the state agency in charge of protecting the region’s water said in a letter to county supervisors.

“We simply cannot, in good conscience, put staff in harm’s way,” wrote Central Valley Regional Water Quality Control Board Executive Director Paula Creedon.

As in many rural counties in California, marijuana farms are becoming more and more plentiful. They proliferate in the high Sierra, where armed Mexican cartel operatives clear wilderness areas, divert creeks and poison wildlife. Other smaller gardens are planted by people operating as collectives by pooling dozens of permits under the state’s medical marijuana laws, though many of those are traffickers attempting to skirt the law. State law allows a person with a medical permit to grow roughly a dozen plants.

Butte County Supervisor Chairman Bill Connelly—frustrated that even photos of illegally scraped and terraced hillsides in sensitive watersheds didn’t convince the water quality board to act—accused the board of not applying the law equally.

“My concern is that legitimate business people get harassed (by the agency), but illegal people will not be harassed because they get a pass,” he said. “They go after the timber industry and farmers.”

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The issue of large-scale marijuana enforcement and the damage some pot farms cause is not new in a region known as the Emerald Triangle, for the marijuana that has been produced there for decades. Marijuana is the state’s biggest cash crop with an estimated $14 billion in legal and illegal sales annually.

California wildlife wardens and hikers in the state’s remote backcountry occasionally happen upon gunmen guarding multimillion-dollar pot farms. It’s one of the reasons the California Department of Fish & Wildlife recently issued its wardens more powerful weapons.

Those growers, when caught, are charged criminally in federal courts. But at the local level, counties are concerned with growers taking advantage of laws legalizing the growing of marijuana for medical uses. Even the legal farmers must comply with environmental laws.

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  • I lived in that state from 1980 to 1984 when I was a kid. What happened to
    “Save Mono Lake”?

    • This is your new flag, California. Embrace it!!

      • me

        Someone beat you to it….and is making money off of this shame….

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        Why don’t you “put it where the sun don’t shine?”

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Since i know something about it, I’ll tell you. That was a move to protect the Eastern Sierra watershed from Los Angeles abuses, the same that saw the once beautiful Owen’s Valley (further south) turned into a desert. But overall the battle line has receeded due to the influx of so many immigrants. These immigrants, legal or not have move the battle to trying to protec fisheries from abuse and other direct exploitations that Asian typically engage in (but Russians too). The Hispanics have contributed mightily through populating and economically destroying the Central Valley and many other agricultural regions. The state, now staggering from supporting them as social service supported cheap labor for very old agricultural corporations like Spreckles, are faced with a new battle line as described in this article.

      The saying used to be, “As California goes, so the rest of the nation.” That may be more or less true, it doesn’t matter that much. But one thing we can and I do predict is that this is what is in store for the entire country.

      • Megapril

        “As California goes, so the rest of the nation.” – If that’s really true then the rest of this country is royally screwed… Thankfully these days no one gives a rat’s behind about California, better it just falls off the continent, never to be heard from again.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          As I wrote earlier, if it did, the economic fallout would effect everyone else.

          I find this ridiculous envy of California to the point of blind hate merely a exhibition of a cultural inferiority complex that unfortunately, many whites possess. Get over it and get realistic.

  • Romulus

    The disintegration of society continues….! Tune in next week when we read about armed conflict with the Bandito pot growers!!

    Excepting the states conservatives and good white folk, im hoping for a 10.0 earthshake, akin to the one in the flik 2012. That would eliminate the lower half of Calif and it’s squatter problem.

    • sbuffalonative

      I’m sure that Hispanic pot growers are a federally protected species just as illegal aliens are. The government won’t intervene as it would trigger a civil rights suit.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      No, it wouldn’t. There’s plenty in Northern California and beyond. But the economic crash that it would cause would affect the entire country, including all the good, conservative white folks. Sometimes I think I wish some of these wishes would come true, but the lessons learned would be too late.

      • Mark Hillyard

        Formerly,

        That’s interesting Formerly, our governor Jerry Moonbeam (yes
        I’m a Californian) is certain he can pull this state up and out of
        this economic mess he helped to make. Perhaps what you are
        saying is true and Moonbeam in his, so-called liberal, madness is
        counting on those pot bucks to save the day

        Hab 2:12
        “Woe to him that buildeth a town with blood, and stablisheth
        a city by iniquity!”
        Nahum 3:1
        “Woe to the bloody city! it is all full of lies and
        robbery; the prey departeth not;”

        Of course these were judgements against Mid East city’s but the principle apply’s.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          Programs similar to this are being implemented all over the country, some are state programs and some Federal, but the money to pay for them isn’t there.

          I don’t know if you were there for the election of 1990 (I think) when Governor Pete Wilson tried to stop the freebies for illegals. The then majority white population voted it in, but the racist organizations La Raza and MeCHA filed lawsuits and had the acts (two of them, 198 and 199, I think (I’m getting old and that was a looong time ago now). That was the turning point. After that, whites began to flee California as every sort of crime you can imagine was perpetrated against them. I was a victim as well, not once but several times before finally throwing in the towel.

          La Raza promised, back in the mid 70s, loudly that they would “take back” California and the Southwest as a “Reconquesta.” Of course, Mexico never conquered it, Europeans did. (BTW Readers, California had a number of flags flown over it before it became a state; The English Flag, the Spanish Flag, the Imperial Russian flag, the Mexican flag and the Bear Republic flag). I knew it was all over when the Federal government started funding them. But they way they got California under their control was to fill the gallery in Sacramento’s assembly and disrupt (just like the Nazis did) until they got their way. No one did anything about it because it had already been made a racial issue as well.

          Whites have now been a minority in California since 2010. Chinese are rushing in, buying foreclosed homes by the hundreds. It seems to be to be a in fact colonization through the Chinese government. When the Golden Gate Bridge needed repainting, guess what, workers from China were brought in to do it!

          But someone, please tell Mark here that he’ll get nowhere with me by quoting completely unrelated Bible texts.

          • Mark Hillyard

            That’s ok Formerly. Looks like someone deleted the last sentence of your post. I understand. My life since approx. 1975 has been largely focused on a study of the Scriptures. I get a lot of the same response from preachers also so don’t feel lonely out there.
            The point is that corruption ruins everything it touches. Sometimes it seems as if the corrupticons are winning but my studies tell me different.
            That’s all!
            Take Care.

          • Templewind

            As well as the Bay Bridge addition at close to 2 billion, before budget overruns.

      • Romulus

        Such a shame what happened to Calif. I had the pleasure of traveling the state when in my twenties. Yosemite, sequoia Natl forest, stunning beauty. Just like Ansel Adams photographs. There are so many GOOD folks there. Breaks my heart to see them displaced by rainbow coalition.
        Sunday on discovery, the show “buy Alaska” aired all day. Jason elan bought a house their too. The show is being marketed to exactly the kind of rich lefty fools who ruined Calif. Now I don’t know that Jason is one, but those that have deep pockets will probably displace the stock that carved out the wilderness.

    • Mark Hillyard

      Thanks for the support. Here in Gold Country, CA, I wear a hat with “Defend Your Freedom, It’s Your Right” written on the cap and bill. It’s sold at the local hardware store and they are really mad at all this bs coming our way. The manager cornered me one day and told me of all the regulations the store was being hit with. One reg. had the store collecting a “Fee” for paint disposal. So once again the innocent are turned into tax/fee collector’s.
      I also get complete strangers coming up to me and asking where I got the cap and a lots of supporting comments. So far no one’s argued with my position. The family is coming up from the SF Bay Area this weekend, 40-50 relatives, and it’ll be interesting to listen to their conversation as I know that some of them are extremely Lib -Tard.

  • sbuffalonative

    Pot smoking liberals vs. environmental liberals.

    Will the environmentalists demand action or will they expose themselves as caring less for the environment than they do about liberalizing pot laws?

    I say the environmentalists won’t make this an issue. I noticed that only government agencies appear to be speaking out against this.

    • Buck Roeser

      But…but…marijuana smoking is a victimless crime! It doesn’t hurt anyone! Hell, when I lived in CA back in the early to mid ’70’s they were spraying paraquat on pot plants. Now they let illegals strip farm to grow them.

      • IanJMacDonald

        Notice how there are no armed gangs protecting tobacco crops in the back hills of North Carolina?
        Once upon a time hemp was legal in this country to grow, buy, sell, and even smoke. There were no international drug cartels and the murder rate was astonishingly low.
        Once upon a time this was a free country.

    • Sick of it

      Environmentalists have been proven to be hypocrites for years.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      “Pot smoking liberals vs. environmental liberals.”

      Often the same people.

      However, I am not a race realist that doesn’t care that our national forests and wilderness areas are being destroyed along with the wildlife and habitat. This is happening in California because the war for California is over and they have won.

      Those that think it’s great that California is being ruined because you never liked it anyway are too dumb to ever succeed at your aims. No wonder the others are winning.

  • Luca

    California is the world’s largest outdoor insane asylum.

    Gov. Jerry Brown is now releasing 10,000 more prisoners because our prisons are too overcrowded and it’s consider cruel and unusual punishment for prisoners to be crowded.. We can’t deport illegals because we could never round them all up. When homeless people steal shopping carts they want to sue the markets for letting the carts leave their premises. We’re building a bullet train and no one knows what it will cost, were it will go, or how many people will use it. I could go on for days.

    • Libertarian67

      Some of the many reasons I headed toward the sunrise in 2005. Too bad; lovely state but at too big of a cost both financially and with my sanity.

      • I finished my undergrad work in 1989, and couldn’t wait to leave California.
        For years afterward, I’d sometimes be alone, driving somewhere, and would just feel incredibly happy that I wasn’t still in California.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          You’re talking as one who did not grow up there. You don’t know its remote places, its incredible beauty and you have no emotional attachment to them. I ache when I see the mountains from a distance, even more up close. I haven’t seen them for years and sometimes get “homesick” for what are actually just old cabin sites where something once existed high up in the Sierras. I know the stories of the pioneers and even knew a few of the families. I dated the grand daughter of one of the most important pioneers in Northern California. I met old WW1 veterans living in cabins up in the hills as a boy and old gold miners that couldn’t give up the practice. Hell, my uncle was one and I used to go work with him every summer for a couple weeks. You and others are/were merely pedestrians that walked through the cities. What we’re losing is far more than that.

          • Luca

            I have a family member who fished the Sierras as a kid since the 1920’s. He had to quit going in the late 60’s. He’s now 91 and the stories he has are as amazing as yours and then some.

            I can think of a good title for California: “Paradise Lost”

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Well, I hadn’t even begun to actually tell any stories, but I am sure your family member has some very good stories. I have a couple rare history books on the History of California. One is on the Inns of Early California, mostly focused on the Gold Rush era. Through them, I know where two hoards of gold that were lost are likely still located, although one is at the bottom of a damed river and the other is on private land that might have been paved or poured over for a foundation. But I used to explore old mines and did lots of trout fishing high up on extended pack backing trips and sometimes all by myself.

            I just can’t understand the shallow jealousy so many posters here always fall to whenever California problems come up.

          • Luca

            I may go up to the Sierras this weekend to entice the trout. I had a spot I use to love because I had it all to myself most times. Then one day I was fishing there and an SUV from LA pulls up with the usual suspects, tattoos, drinking beer first thing in the morning, cursing, blasting mexican music, smoking, littering, yelling etc. All the things I try to get away from.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            One of the major reasons that I left California. It still hurts. I wish you the best. I wish I could hear your families stories.

          • Templewind

            I remember one, Gabby Buck, from my childhood. He was one of the original “E Clappers” who only came into town (Placerville) once a month for groceries. He wore an old cowboy hat with rattlesnake buttons all the way around.

            One day he was behind me as I attempted to pay for some candy. Seeing that I didn’t have enough money, he flipped me a $20 gold piece and let me keep the change. Neither of us apparently realized the worth of said coin, but I’m sure the owner of the store did.

            One of Gabby’s favorite stories was how he pinched off the head of the last rattlesnake that bit him. Of course, that was after he bit that old rattler back for biting him in the first place.

            I will never forget old Gabby Buck. I cherish his memory.

    • me

      Just fence it in and call it a wildlife habitat….

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Jerry Brown has allowed this to happen because he is a dedicated Catholic and is serving his Church by accommodating Hispanics. Before he went into politics he actually attended seminary intending to become a priest, but found he could not take the vow of celibacy. In between political stints, he went to India and worked with Mother Teresa. But he isn’t doing anything that the Feds and many other states are doing; funding public projects with money printed especially for the purpose. We’re doing the same thing in Washington State and when Obama made his speech today he announced more funding for such projects to put people back to work. Also, part of that speech was about housing and that fixing the “broken immigration system” was part of fixing the housing problem because immigrants made up 40% of home buyers from 2000 to 2010. Of course, he is not saying that Chinese are shipping her with government money by the droves in what amounts to a colonization program – which California is a big target. The other interesting item is that in many instances, corporations, not people are buying homes and either flipping them or turning them into rentals for the future of white wage slaves, who will be living in them like dorms on part time wages in service jobs. The Protected Groups will have all the cushy, government jobs. Our children will be their waiters, retail workers, and prostitutes.

      I always used to say that the nation was tilted and all the nuts rolled into California. In my 50+ years of living there, the weirdest, craziest, liberals came from the East and Midwest. I mean at all levels. They came to California because due to its Gold Rush history, it was more accepting of different people. So all the “different” ones in America would come there to act out their dreams (think of just all the gays that came to SF only because it was so tolerant). I even had a girlfriend from Ohio for a little while who had a pair of shoes she called her “California Shoes.”

      California was a beautiful state and somewhat under control until the 1960s when first the New York beatniks came to SF and then by 1967 droves of dumb kids from the East and Midwest, to attract in more drugs. The main players of the “60s” scene were all from outside California. I could list every one of the famous ones and go on to the more obscure. Then there are the vast unknown masses that made the state a zoo before over 7% of the population was Hispanic. They were not born or raised in California. Now, the state is over-whelmed with Mexicans and other “vibrant” Hispanic types. But those taking some satisfaction at seeing the State finally being completely physically destroyed are just next in line for the same. The real tragedy is that there was really gorgeous nature in California and now even the most remote places are being raped to death. But it won’t and hasn’t stopped in California. How many posters here can count up the number of Mexican restaurants in their town and compare it to any other type. There’s you’re canary in the coal mine.

      • Charles Martel

        That is a silly statement. He is no good catholic, but yes he is all for the Hispanic invasion.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          He IS not a “good Catholic” but he once was and has the basic reflexes of a Catholic trained/indoctrinated individual and politician regardless of his apparent public lack of piety.

          What I related was true. Not only did I hear his bio from his own mouth (I was in his presence several times in the late 1970s and early 80s through lobbying for my profession and the fact that my older sister worked for a senator at the capital), but the story on his work with Mother Teresa was in People Magazine at the time. You will find many Catholics allow that condition to transcend many other barriers, even if they are not currently churchgoing members. It’s one of the things that is responsible for so many Irish nuns (and priests) to go to Latin America (and other places as far as China) over the decades to do “charity work, which is also often politically interested.”

          Dismissing a witness statement as “silly” because you don’t know about it personally or because you can’t believe/fathom its meaning and implications is not a very intellectual response. It doesn’t reflect well on the reputation of whites having a average high IQ.

      • Luca

        Jerry is more a liberal than he is a catholic, but every word you have said is true, I have seen some of the exact same things in my 36 years of living here.

        I blame the rampant Liberalism that either allows, ignores or engineers policies which hasten the destruction of all European based societies.

        • David Ashton

          It has eroded the Catholic Church like much else, from the Vatican nancy boys to the theological liberationists.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            The Catholic Church was and always has been a torment to Europe and Europeans. It first suppressed and then usurped what it couldn’t outright destroy. It and its reactionary Reformation has been responsible for millions of deaths of white people over the centuries and also for the civil wars in Europe. I’m sure you can see this. If Asatru or Odinism and the agriculturalist orientation of the Celtic outlook and Europe had remained unmolested by Christianity, we’d all be better off today; far less neurotic and far more in touch with our indigenous, white spirituality. Also, far less easily deceived and manipulated.

          • David Ashton

            Speculation about the present situation of Europe if “Odinism” had never been superseded by Christianity centuries ago is beyond hypothetical. As it is I find merit in art, music, architecture, some philosophy and much “homestead piety” bequeathed by Christianity, though I personally do not worship Jesus, Odin, Ormazd, Brahma, or any other imagined deity. However, I decline to enter any prolonged acrimonious debate over Catholicism, Protestantism, Paganism or Atheism, because I seek the maximum collaboration between all “Europeans” in resistance to internal social collapse and on-going external multi-ethnic colonisation.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I agree with you to a point, because all religion is a deception in the end, but in the example I am giving I am pointing to the cultural and actual closer to real outlook it contains. Odinism was certainly taken advantage of by the Church in recruiting its descendents as the fiercest of all the Crusaders once Christianized (I am directly descended from an 11th century Norman participant in the First Crusade). However, must disagree that Christianity bestowed that art and music, etc., on Europe. Apparently, I am somewhat more educated in European history and culture than you. It was there already, you just aren’t aware of it or remembering at present. Need I mention Greek and Roman art and music, etc.? The Celts were famous for their harp music and recited “poems.” Those forms were usurped by Christianity and used for enlarging their chosen theme, just as Gothic Cathedrals used the arch to imitate the sacred oak grove of the Celts and Germans. To wit, much Classical music used folk forms that were in existence long before Christianity came along to impose it’s order. It’s actually not far different from recent history where Rock and Roll, once condemned as Satanic, is now a form commonly used by many Christian evangelists (at least in the U.S.). The only musical form that can be traced somewhat back to the Middle–East is the Gregorian Chant, which was borrowed from the chorals performed by the pre-cursive and ancient Osiris/Isis Egyptian religion whose myths include the death and resurrection scenario that Christianity also usurped. The monastic system also came from Egypt and changed the Church from being a direct beneficiary to the congregation to one expecting to be supported by a congregation, etc. This resulted in the Church becoming the new Rome in Europe with bishops lodged in castles as religious war lords.

            I also think it is relevant to discuss Christianity and I often do, because it is clear to me at least, that it represents and continuing and huge stumbling block to the maximum collaboration you seek. Ignored, it is the proverbial “elephant in the room.” The hoped for collaboration and its hoped for results likely won’t occur anyway. Only a full collapse of civilization is likely to provide a new starting point and it would be a tragedy if Christianity had a foothold in that because it would only guarantee a re-run.

          • David Ashton

            We must just as well speculate on what would have happened if the Crusaders had failed to defeat the Islamic expansion, or if the Renaissance had taken its inspiration exclusively from the northern sagas rather than Greece, Rome or Bible.

            I had in mind, for example, the Mass as thematic in the music of Bach, Berlioz, Dvorak, Faure, Hadyn, Mozart, Rutter, Verdi, &c. Cf. e.g. Wilfrid Dunwell, “Music and the European Mind” (London 1962).

            However, I do not wish to enter a personal competition over our rival credentials regarding knowledge of European history and culture from the classical world to the present, nor of Christianity, Judaism and other religions, either.

            Self-abnegating universalism among many modern churchmen, whether sceptical or superstitions, but fading in Europe, if not the USA, along with their congregations, is a hindrance, though neither insuperable, nor likely to rise again after a “full collapse”.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            There is a larger point to what I was saying and I hoped you would have grasped it. I am not looking for a competition, but to remind you of the very deep strains of pre-Christian culture in Europe that even 500 years of the Inquisition could not stamp out. Of course, we could list all the Classical music themes based on other European and non-Christian texts. That is amazing too, given the monopoly of the mind that Christianity still represents regardless of how it is fading.Again, you could look for the masses origins in music and find it in pre-Christian forms.

            The Europeans that fought the Islamic expansion were only nominally Christian, that IS my point. They were acting on a very old religiously reinforced, likely genetically caused instinct to fight invasion. Christianity later told them that they were fighting for the Church and gave them their blessing where Odin would have before. Come on, if you translated Beowulf, you must have learned something of this – if was anything more than but a wearisome task required of you.

            That fire is old, very old and far older than Christianity. It is one reason that Protestantism came about; in the end, Northern Europeans had a different temperament that required a more spare interpretation of that religion.

            You’re missing or I guess, passively disagreeing with the fact that Christianity merely usurped what already existed as it always has done. And you are competing while denying it. I am trying to make a point that I am certain is valid and that you can grasp if you choose. We cannot avoid discussing Christianity if we speak of Europe and white survival and it is silly and naive to cling to the claim that it was nothing but positive. History shows it to be quite the opposite. There is a reason it is fading out; after two world wars and all the has preceded it, Europeans don’t buy the “guy in the sky” myths anymore. This can be good or it can be bad because the spiritual void has to be filled with something. I was suggesting that the remnants of celestial celebrations for example can serve as a basis for re-linking the indigenous European to their land. It is all the better because astro physics actually supports the basis of it, rather than. “Landscape and Memory,” by Simon Schama was an interesting study on this theme.

            The impossibility of these Middle Eastern religions becomes more evident as people become more acquainted and exposed to history and what is common knowledge, but heresy in 1492. Christianity couldn’t prevent the human mind and even after all the suffering, the mind was and will be the victor, if we can be smart enough to not destroy the world with the competition religion mostly, sponsors.

            Nietzsche pointed out that the strongest would not require religion, but recognized that people still needed community and something like a religious one. We are “just speculating,” true, but that is what goes on here on these posts. Philosophy is largely built on speculation and discussion of it. And there it is, I would hope for a more enlightened white community that is more philosophical than dogmatic. Seeing the beauty of the factual universe and applying to your spiritual view is closer to what already existed in Europe than what came later to usurp it. That is an undeniable truth. Whites must not be subject to any brainwashing, Marxist of Christian, or any other.

          • David Ashton

            Actually I personally agree with most of what you say here and so there is no need to be sarcastic.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I wasn’t attempting sarcasm. I think we ought to both make certain that nothing vindictive is going on because I am not trying to be, I am just trying to get us focused on what I was actually saying.

            It is early here, I actually have cataract surgery scheduled for this morning, so I won’t be around for a few days at least. I have enjoyed working on this with you.

            Note to Moderator; Yesterday I received a communication from the White House via HUD, since I am on their mailing list (voluntarily). Obama has just announced some housing policy and I have a press release from the White House regarding a program specifically and apparently ONLY for blacks. I won’t be able to get a copy of the communication to anyone for a few days because of my surgery and recovery period, but I saved it in word and would like to submit it to Amren for possible review/sharing.

          • David Ashton

            We could probably put our two heads together and produce an agreed analysis, but neither time for me nor space on this site permits this unfortunately. Spengler thought modern science arose from a “western instinct” that similarly possessed the Viking explorers.

            As an undergraduate I studied also the Battle of Maldon, Cynewulf and Cyneheard, Wulfstan’s address to the English, Vision of the Cross, some of Alfred, &c, reading Bede more rapidly in the Penguin Classic translation. I admit I have appreciated their significance more as I have grown older.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          Yes. There is a kind of liberalism that extends from “sloppy” Catholicism, I’m sure you’ll agree. Christianity was created to be able to absorb anything it could not conquer. I often say that most if not all Christians today would never pass the Inquisition and be burned at the stake.

          The funny, weird thing is that Mexico and much of “Latin America” is actually based on Spanish (or Portuguese) culture. The French Emperor Maximilian actually built Mexico City into what it is and he is responsible for the European style architecture there. But what happens to European/Spanish culture in the New World is an extreme of the worst aspects mixed with and undertow of native superstition and barbarism that pervades all. Certainly, not European or the sort of interpretation that we’d want. (I am sure you know that the Catholic Church is responsible for these things and also the moniker “Latin America” to mean “The Latin Church” as it used to be called. Of course, Latin refers to a people and language of ancient Europe, not some mixed Indian tribes in the New World.

  • Pot farms versus ecological concerns, with race tangentially involved.

    There’s about to be a car wreck at a leftist intersectionality.

    • Agreed. White man wants cut his field, the Sierra Club shows up and says he can’t because a magical bird nests there during migration. Mexican drug gangs uses bulldozers to clear mountain sides to build pot farms and …………..

      • me

        Save the spotted owl! Save the whales! Save the violent, illegal Mestizo squat monster drug dealer/growers…..Nah, too big to fit on a bumper sticker.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          Your brain is polarized hash.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      I think it’s been going on for a while. Actually, big pot farms with armed guards is not new in California. It’s been going on since the 70s. It’s now the proportions and boldness of it that are changed. The Sierra Club had a split in the 80s I think, over this and other issues and it became a place for lawyers to brawl. The ultimate losers are all of us because the damage being done is not easily reversed or not reversible at all.

  • Spartacus

    “My concern is that legitimate business people get harassed (by the
    agency), but illegal people will not be harassed because they get a
    pass,” he said. “They go after the timber industry and farmers.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    It’s called Anarcho-Tyranny , and it usually occurs before a societal collapse . For all whites reading this – make sure it doesn’t catch you unarmed and untrained.

    https://en(DOT)wikipedia(DOT)org/wiki/Samuel_T._Francis#Anarcho-tyranny

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Important information…

  • David Ashton

    Cannabis is a dangerous drug. It is not a victimless drug unless many users stay on a desert island. The real probem comes from people who want to mass-market addictive brain poisons for profits legally instead of illegally. Legalization of drugs will not eliminate criminals entirely even if the legal outlets undercut current suppliers and provide greater accessibility. The suppliers then transfer the medical and social costs to clean taxpayers just as cheap-labor capitalists do with immigrants.

    • Daniel Schmuhl

      How is Cannabis more dangerous than alcohol. Even my instructor in drugs and human behavior who was pretty anti-drug thought it was benign.

      • David Ashton

        Not necessarily more dangerous that alcohol whose accepted use is now out of social control in too many places. But certainly not “benign”. I have put away all my information on current usage and strengths, but will look out some of it as soon as possible, and add a PS. In Britain there is clear evidence that it can precipitate mental illness.

        • Daniel Schmuhl

          You’re talking about psychosis right? According to the textbook while their is a link between marijuana and psychosis there is no proof of causation. The symptoms are mild and not permament though. This is not a good basis for spending billions to stop people from smoking it in my opinion. I say this as someone who uses no drugs (including alcohol).

          • David Ashton

            The only annotated document I have immediately to hand was written by a psychiatrist and cannabis research chemist, David Copestake, some years ago (before the drug had reached its current strength) entitled “Cannabis & Mental Function”, which inter alia describes the impacts of prolonged use on the nervous system, states that “long-lasting psychoses after cannabis have been seen in previously stable patients”, that his own prolonged experience with users corroborates evidence of an “antimotivational syndrome” in which it is the key factor, and surveys the historical data from Egypt, Morocco, Turkey and India.

            He writes (p.28): “Cannabis also dissolves in cell membanes… It is not only cannabinoid receptors that are affected, but the receptors of other neurotransmitters as well.” And: “Deficits of psychomotor and complex skills [can] persist for very long periods…this carry-over period is not perceived by the user, nor accurately reflected in blood-THC levels [so that, for example] the role of cannabis in traffic and other accidents is vastly underestimated” (p.14).

            There is much more recent data from the UK, some of which is probably on-line, but I have decided not to “bhang” my head against a brick wall, by trying to unearth my file of articles and cuttings, even though there seems to be here yet another alliance between PC dogma and commercial designs. I am too busy with other concerns.

          • Daniel Schmuhl

            David about half of what you say is established truth and the other half is complete nonsense.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Wrong, and using the alcohol defense is evidence of a thc overload in your nervous system that retards your ability to think critically.

            David just gave you a list of evidence and you simply deny it.

            Part of what cannabis does is create fertile psychological ground for myth-making, which you exhibit here.

          • Daniel Schmuhl

            I admitted that what he said was true but it’s only a small temporary effect and I don’t see how that justifies spending billions of dollars to stop people from smoking. Alcohol also impairs your judgement.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            But you’re still in denial and hoping that the alcohol defense will somehow justify cannabis use. Their affect and metabolic action in the system is different. The liver processes alcohol fairly quickly, whereas cannabis accumulates and lasts for far longer. Many serious and well documented studies have shown that psychological issues and mental health in general are affected.

            You’re talking to a doctor who has been around.

            As for the millions of dollars spent; it might have been spent in a more effective way, but the cost of national cannabis saturation has affected our culture and politics. One could even say that it creates liberals because it creates a kind of “everything is cool” attitude and lazy brained, random association and emotional response that works well for the usual emotional, buzz word appeal of liberal and leftists politics. The costs of the damage incurred by the indirect effects of cannabis nationally cannot be quantified, but it is beyond the trillions and much cannot be measured in mere monetary loss. In this context, no amount of money is too much and advocating cannabis use is ultimately bad for white survival. It’s defense has no place in a forum on race realism and white survival except as to the understanding that it is counterproductive. On the other hand, empires were built by cultures that included plenty of alcohol use.

            One thing I learned in my life is that discipline is what is required for personal and societal success. Drugs, and in particular what we call “recreational drugs” are counter to this. Alcohol when abused is bad also, but again, empires have been built by cultures that all included fairly liberal alcohol use, including the U.S.A.

          • Charles Martel

            Alcohol is legal and far more people use it. That is why accidents are much more likely to be the result of alcohol versus pot. People think about what you are saying and do a little mental analysis.

            No one is saying intrinsically pot is worse than alcohol. For the most part they are both the same as intoxicants.

            All this said, I am for legalizing all drugs. I do not judge one more harmful than the other. All studies show alcohol is physically addictive and destructive. I am just trying to point out the fact that the reasoning here is not sound. You can’t argue that they one drug is just as bad as the other and for that reason they should be made legal. How about simply stating a person has the right to self destruction, and society has the right to hold a person fully accountable when their behavior harms another.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            You ought to think a bit more about what you’re saying and learn from history and actual physiology than relying on trying to balance an argument by making the issues seem equal. They are not.

            This is a good place to point out that what we have developed in the West is a niche for phony debate like this which might be called the “Marxist Debate Style.” The tactic is to seek to make the comparison of two issues such as alcohol and cannabis appear to be equal issues, even though the comparison is actually very limited in actual human physiologic, psychologic, and cultural effects. (This is part of what widespread cannabis use has created as it makes simple comparison and emotional appeal seem valid). Many people use this model in argument because it has become a societal norm, used everywhere, but most often by liberal politicians. When it creeps into discussions among those that wish to save the white race, it must be exposed and understood for what it is.

          • David Ashton

            Those who pretend to young people or vulnerable adults that this or that drug will not destroy them if they become habituated and dependent on it are harming those other persons

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            And all of us by extension. Pot use has changed American society so much that I do not doubt it is one reason we are producing so fewer scientists, physicists and engineers while India and Asia in general are lapping up our mistakes. The “right to get high” is the reason.

      • Sick of it

        It alters brain chemistry more than alcohol unless one seriously hits the sauce. My father admitted that and stopped smoking it years ago.

        • Daniel Schmuhl

          What studies are you citing. I have the textbook by Hart and Lair and according to them there is no evidence that marijuana has any long-term effects on cognition.

          • 1Forced_Registration

            I don’t have any studies handy. What I do have are my memories of college. The kids that I knew smoked marijuana were around for some of the lower level math, science, physics, and engineering classes. I can only recall one of them being around for the higher level classes.

            Marijuana doesn’t stop you from being a good to great author, but it plays hell with analytical skills, and with abstract reasoning skills. It also wreaks havoc with certain social skills, but the visible effect of this is often delayed.

            Mind you, I am not talking about the people who smoke once a month socially. I am talking about the people who smoke every weekend or several times a week.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Really? I am surprised that pot smokers you knew did any math or science at all. When I was in college, most of them were in philosophy and psychology, art, music appreciation, and sometimes literature, but not hard science or math. Of course, there was a little marginal spill either way….

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            So a couple potheads with a bias put out a book. It is countered by many serious studies. I suggest you try to corroborate their work with other studies by qualified researches not cannabis advocates. Part of vetting a study is to understand whether there is a bias in the researchers or not. But actual knowledge of things like chemistry and human physiology is required to determine if the studies right true at all. If they don’t discuss this or render the information inaccurately, they are suspect. This is why lay people advocating/discussing the issues rely on political emotionalism rather than objective fact.

            Also, pot smoking will not help the white race. Take your pot campaign elsewhere.

          • Puggg

            From a common sense standpoint, I just don’t see how smoking the resin of a plant that thrives in volcanic soil that has lots of heavy elements in order to get a hallucinogenic substance into one’s bloodstream to eventually affect one’s brain is in any way healthful or even neutral, or anything but harmful.

            I’ve also been thinking a lot about drug policy. I think the ideal middle ground between the undesirable extremes of full legalization on one side and the half laughable half dangerous “war on drugs” that is our current policy on the other side is harsh punishment for dealers and summary confiscation of the drugs without criminal sanction for the users and small time possessers.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            As I wrote elsewhere, the money lost from the wide and extended use of pot and other recreational drugs has done more harm than money can even measure or very easily fix.

            I think that Libertarianism breaks down when it advocates such laissez-faire ideas based on political view alone. Doing more requires a lot more serious and actual hard work at gathering knowledge as in science and history. But political junkies don’t like that sort of work, but real political improvement can’t be made without the wisdom only that hard work can create.

            I think spending more and policy aimed at building up the notion of self-respect (as opposed to self-confidence) might be a good direction and use for funds. Only people that don’t like themselves or their lives abuse themselves. The natural high of physical work and appreciation and love of life has been enough for me to find pleasure in mental and physical discipline all my life (61). I don’t think it is so hard to imagine that this naturally informs against the habitual use of intoxicants and the intoxicated state. And you’re right, there is a price for such indulgences one way or another, but they all end up hurting your life and making it shorter.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          That’s it… completely different metabolic pathways and effects. The liver processes alcohol very quickly whereas cannabis accumulates and its affects continue even when not “buzzed.”

      • I don’t think anyone will deny that alcohol is a problem drug too. But given the issues that we have with currently legal drugs, why add more problems to the mix by leagalizing yet another dangerous substance?

        • Daniel Schmuhl

          Because there is a substitution effect which means making some drugs cheaper will mean they will substitute alcohol for other drugs and not just add the new drug to their present consumption of alcohol.

          Drug prohibition has not worked and you should weigh all the costs spent on prohibited the drugs against the benefits.

          • David Ashton

            Prohibition has worked in Sweden and Singapore. Portugal and Holland have had to pull back.

            There are no benefits, except some temporary pleasure caused by chemical interference with a sensitive brain mechanism. The medical and social costs of total legalization have to be weighed against the expense of an ineffective “war” on drugs.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            In that context, no amount of money is too much.

          • ThomasER916

            Nothing like a Straw Man Fallacy.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Why don’t you pot smoking liberals go where your empty headed cliches will be appreciated.

          • Drug prohibition has failed for two main reasons:
            -We have not tackled the problem in the right way. As with alcohol prohibition before it, the main thrust has been going after the supply rather than the demand. If our enforcement efforts went after the casual user in a big way, the overall useage would go down. As it stands now, simple possession of personal use amounts of marijuana in most places carries little more than traffic ticket level fines and most casaul users see it as a reasonable risk associated with their drug use. If first time marijuana possession carried with it (for example) a three year manditory prison term, how many potheads would carry on with their little hobby?
            -The fact that for a large percentage the use of drugs is socially acceptable is a real problem. Prior to the rise of the counter-culture in the ’60s drug users were generally fringe types and were considered freaks by the majority of the population. Now, marijuana usage (and to a lesser extent other drugs) is considered to be “no big deal” to a large number of people. Efforts need to be made to change society’s views on such things. Drug users need to go back to being outcasts rather than the “cool kids”.

          • MBlanc46

            “The fact that for a large percentage the use of drugs is socially acceptable is a real problem.”

            That’s pretty much it. Most people don’t care. When the elites try to force them to care, there will be consequences.

          • Daniel Schmuhl

            I have no doubt that a demand based punishment could work but it would not be cost efficient.

          • That’s what people usually claim when I talk about attacking the demand. But I would contend that while the initial cost would be high, it would level off quickly as demand died. Think about it. After several of his friends got popped with real prison time for having a single joint, you average 20something pothead is going to think “wow! These folks mean business.” and find a new hobby. True enough you will never kill the drug culture 100%. In any group there is just a certain percentage of folks who just refuse to follow the rules and others who are in the constant “oh, I’m different. I won’t get caught” sort of denial. But going after the demand in a big way is the answer to the drug problem.
            Last post for the night. I’m out the door to work now.

          • Daniel Schmuhl

            Although I accept some of your logic there in order for the law to be complied with the law has to be strictly enforced for people to comply with it.

            You could drug test all school students for a cost (although you can’t detect all drugs and you might increase the use of these), some students would be deterred by the drug testing but for the deterrent to work you would have to keep spending large amounts of money for the deterrent to work.

            The social costs of marijuana use don’t seem to be very large from what ive seen.

          • 1Forced_Registration

            Unless you are going to drug test for synthetics (which is probably an even larger problem in that population) as well, it would be a waste of resources.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I can tell you that in the 1960s and 70s the authorities were giving end users jail sentences and it didn’t stop the surge. What did happen was in 1976 the CIA released its documents that showed that they had been involved in using LSD and other drugs, including pot in experiments, but in the case of LSD, they “let it loose” by supporting programs in hospitals to investigate it, sometimes without the knowledge of the victims. There is much more to it. But Timothy Leary (the big LSD promoter) had to be released from prison due to the revelations of those documents. The CIA had been profiting from heroin importation for years. Later, it was doing its own fundraising through cocaine importation facilitation. It’s hard to go after citizens when it is revealed that the entire government is wrapped up in covering-up a huge drug scandal like that.

            You don’t have to believe me. Anyone can read the well documented story by getting a copy of “Acid Dreams, the Complete Social History of LSD, the CIA, the Sixties and Beyond.”

            The short conclusion yours truly has made is that there is no stopping the slow collapse we are part of right now.

          • ThomasER916

            Queue the Ronulan Pothead Defense…

          • Indeed.
            Every time a drug related story is posted, like clockwork at least one or two posters pop up advocating legalization and spouting the same old pro-drug arguments.
            At least this one is different in that he claims to be a non-user. In many (perhaps most) cases, the advocate of legalization is himself a user and is seeking to legitimize his own little hobby. This of course completely invalidates any argument they might have. After all, would you listen to a burglar who sought to overturn the laws against breaking and entering?

          • ThomasER916

            For every group of Ronulans there’s at least one suffering from Pathological Altruism.

          • David Ashton

            Yes, the same old arguments and “pushed” hard by the left-liberal media and the Soros affiliates.

            What is new on cannabis, strictly speaking an hallucinogen rather than a narcotic, is the recent further evidence of harm to the nervous system and other areas of the body, and the increase in strength. Frankly I cannot be bothered to get out my files on this since it is a waste of time debating with “spliff bigots”.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Look at the nations that have cultures that have used cannabis for hundreds of years or longer. They are not successful ones and are full of political turmoil. Of course, we are becoming more like them because our culture is becoming more like theirs have been for so long.

          • David Ashton

            See e.g. Nathaniel Weyl, “Hashish and the decline and fall of Arab civilization,” Mankind Quarterly, vol.26, No.2.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Yes, thank you. I am familiar with that and other similar studies. It was a rather well known issue during the Victorian Age within the British East India Company/military. Kipling I think, makes numerous references to this in his writing.

            It continues to amaze me how dumbed down and vacant so many would be white advocates regarding their own history and culture.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Today, I recalled a historical phenomena that I know you’ll substantiate. Back in 1092, during the Crusades, there came to be a Muslim leader known as “The Old Man of the Mountain.” His little kingdom was of the “Hashisians,” from which the French word “assassin” comes from. This was Hasan, son of Sabah, Sheikh of the Mountains and leader of the Assassins. The modern cult of assassins called “Ishmaelites” descend directly from him and his practice of using hashish in his indoctrination of young men into his secret army of killers is well documented and is still apparently practiced. We know that other drugs have been used by Muslims in battle. “Khat” is a favorite that most here will know about.

            He used hashish and some clever and extensive trickery to convince these young Muslims to do his bidding. He would offer them a meal, a feast really, intoxicate them until they fell to sleep. When they woke up, they had been transported to a place once out of their vision where they were served by beautiful women and pampered. They were told that this was paradise and a vision of what awaited the obedient supplicant. They were treated at court where Hasan would summon up a dead man’s head to speak to him. He had a clever device where a living man stood on a platform below the deck of the pavilion and his head appear to be on a platter with the blood of his decapitation about his neck. After the session, the man’s actual head was brought to the initiates on a platter for them to inspect. Then, once again they were drugged and when they awoke, they were once again in the mundane world, where they had taken the first feast. This, was what awaited them, they were admonished, and yes, those 72 virgins just waiting to suffer for you.

            This story is the first of a series in the book, “A History of Secret Societies” by Arkon Daraul. It’s recitation of the Knight’s Templar isn’t the best, (incomplete – happens to be one of my specialties) but it’s there, too. Any claim that cannabis doesn’t make people kill has to be taken advisedly, because this story proves that culture determines that more than the drug itself. And as the West transforms, the hippy idea that pot makes you loving and peaceful is easily changed. This is not to mention the debilitating effects on Arab/Muslim society that your posted link illustrates.

          • David Ashton

            Pot Lobbyists tend to dismiss anything suggesting cannabis as a factor in violence as (1) lies, because it is sedative and chummy, (2) addicts stealing money just to pay for what they cannot get from yet-to-come “free” government suppliers or cutprice legal dealers, but not because they are under the influence, or (3) not as bad as the demon drink used by squares and right-wingers.

            The use of drugs by cults, sects and secret societies is well if spottily documented, and an entirely plausible explanation, for example, of initial resurrection of Jesus experiences.

          • Luca

            Say, wait a minute, look at Jamaica, they have been smoking the ganga for years and they’ve built a society almost as good as Haiti.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            When will the whit mon stip pesterin os wit de man?

      • Charles Martel

        They didn’t say it was more dangerous. Your argument lacks logic. Two wrongs do not make a right. Didn’t you learn this growing up?

      • Luca

        I’ve got a buddy who had a stroke at age 49, who now sits in a nursing home slobbering on himself as he sits in a wheelchair with a diaper on.

        Seems like he went on a 3 day party binge with two buddies, smoking joints and hanging out like old times and forgot to take his BP medication.

        He started using when he was a teenager and became dependent on it. He had cognitive problems, memory problems, etc.

        Maybe it is harmless but it is just one more thing that can be abused, especially by young fools when they are told by adults that it is absolutely harmless. Everything has a down side.

        • David Ashton

          Another true anecdote, only 1 I am PLEASED to report. A woman I knew had a daughter with mild schizophrenia, and regularly supplied her with cannabis to relieve her distress. She actually got worse and worse, finally jumping off the roof to her death. Of course, we shall be told that millions survive the drug, so who cares? Indeed, “not caring” is itself ironically one of the adverse impacts it has on a significant number of these “recreational” reefer puffers. The adults who tell young people it is “benign” are a social menace of the worst type.

    • Libertarian67

      Never mind the horrible damage done to us with “law enforcement”, prison, death by said law enforcement, militarization of the police leading us to the present police state, government stealing your money and you have to prove it was not gotten the ill gain of drug sales, on and on and on. Like alcohol prohibition you create a black market profit center.

      Just think of all the violent criminals, many black and brown, we could keep in prison by getting rid of draconian drug laws.
      One of the main reasons I went from R to libertarian was this sick focus on using the wrong intoxicant. Only hurting yourself and it is not the damn business or the government to prevent it from happening. Sick; some day I hope people swing for enforcing the war on drugs.

      BTW, cheap-labor “capitalists” are actually corporatists.

      • David Ashton

        Not “only hurting yourself”.

        The paradox is that a libertarian philosophy based on a society of rational adults is challenged when the center of reason, the brain, is itself damaged, contracts between adults in marriage and at work are undermined, and children and young people are commercially targeted, for addiction creates convenient consumer-dependence.

        The hanging of people who attempt to enforce drug laws would be retrospective mass-murder. Those who market death through drugs on the other hand would enjoy their corporate luxuries unmolested.

  • itdoesnotmatter

    In several forested CA counties, it is no longer safe to hike, backpack or wilderness camp. Heavily armed Cartel hired mestizo crop tenders kill with impunity.

    • me

      Well, that’s the way they do things in Mehico….so why wouldn’t they bring their ‘culture’ with them? The Gang Of 8 should go hiking in Mexifornia….

    • Luca

      I don’t hike around here no more. I am tired of seeing spanish gang-bang graffiti on the boulders. makes me sick.

  • bob

    The environmentalists can’t complain because it would be racist

    • IAN

      The environmentalists can’t complain because of the GELBAUM DONATION

  • IstvanIN

    Any area of a state that can not reasonably accessed by that state’s government officials has been conquered, pure and simple. This has been and is a war and invasion and we are losing.

  • Daniel Schmuhl

    A lot of this could be easily solved by just legalizing pot and enforcing our borders.

    • Sick of it

      The former would have been done decades ago if the PEOPLE wanted it. The latter is something the people do want, but will never get with traitors in office.

      • Daniel Schmuhl

        To tell you the truth I don’t really care what most people want. I’m an elitist and I hate democracy. I oppose open-immigration for purely consequentialist reasons and not because majority wants it.

        The strange thing about some of the race realists on here acknowledge that most people are not very bright but who also think that decisions should be made by majority rule.

        • IstvanIN

          Majority rule is mob rule. Universal suffrage has been a disaster in most parts of the world.

          • Daniel Schmuhl

            Democracy in its purest form is mob rule. Most whites are not racially conscious or race realists which is why some of the populist stuff espoused by some people on here is nothing but idealism.

        • David Ashton

          I am an elitist too.
          I prefer not to live in a society with a majority of cultural aliens, immigrants or potheads.

    • Luca

      There is too much tax free money to be made in the drug traffic trade. My theory is it funds many well-to-do white collar investors who remain out of sight while the hard-core criminal elements take all the heat and risk.

      Judges, cops and lawyers get paid well to uphold the law OR look the other way..win, win. Doctors, lawyers, judges, investors etc, plunk down investment money, get triple the return tax-free and then maybe every tenth time lose their investment to a bust which is not traceable to them.

      The drug trade will not go away, marijuana or otherwise. As my father used to say, “Money talks and Bullsh!t walks.”

    • ThomasER916

      Queue the Ronulan Pothead Defense League…

      Why don’t you Ronulans shut down the Welfare State before you start pushing drugs?

      Of course, when you’re batshit high you can’t be bothered with anything like that. You just need your fix.

  • bigone4u

    Mexicans are environmentally depraved no matter whether they live in Mexico or the US. Send them home NOW.

    • Unfortunately, George Soros bought off the Sierra Club on the issue of immigration, legal or otherwise.

      • Luca

        I’m glad I am not the only one who heard the deafening silence from such hypocritical organizations.

  • kjh64

    The “progressives” wanted the open borders and they want all these environmental regulations. Now, you have Mexicans illegally growing pot and destroying the environment to do so, thanks to the “progressives”.

  • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

    This should be a job for the DEA and ICE, but these same liberals would recoil in horror if our charming invaders were repelled.

  • MekongDelta69

    Hahaha – the eco-radical freaks get shot down by an even more ‘protected’ group (at least for this week – you never know with the loony left who’s going to be highest on the ‘oppressed’ food chain from week to week).

    Oh well – they always have those evil white males who run coal plants, oil rigs, fracking ops, natural gas plants, loggers and every other fossil fuel creators to harass and shut down.

    “But you don’t want me to get HIGH?!?! Are you JOKING?!?! Now get off my land – and PUT OUT THAT CAPITALIST CIGARETTE before I turn you in.”

  • OlderWoman

    Humboldt County is the home to sensimilla.

    • jane johnson

      We used to call it “Lucy”, for the red hair.

  • Daniel Schmuhl

    I’m just someone who thinks for himself. Although I agree with some of what’s written here this place is basically an echo chamber filled with middle aged white men.

    • me

      You say that like it’s a bad thing….
      If you don’t like the comments, why don’t you go to HuffyPost? They’re more than willing to listen to ‘progressive’ rants by the unenlightened….

      • Daniel Schmuhl

        Who says I’m a progressive? You guys are the ones advocating big government and statism not me. I’m a libertarian with some conservative influences.

        • me

          Yup.

        • David Ashton

          You then probably know Ayn Rand’s essay contrasting a dope festival with an astronaut achievement, ironically though the former a mainly free-market obscenity and the latter a mainly statist enterprise.

        • ms_anthro

          No one cares who or what you are. We’re interested in what you have to say. So far, you’ve written a lot and said very little. What, exactly, are you doing on a White advocacy site? Nothing in your posts suggests that you consider yourself one of us. So why are you here?

          • Daniel Schmuhl

            Believing that in racial differences and believing that white would should be allowed to voluntarily has logically nothing to do with drug policy. You may mistakenly believe that restricting drug use will improve the situation of the white race but let me say that even then I wouldn’t go along with it because its a bad idea to pursue the interests of whites no matter the cost otherwise with no moral constraints it would be national socialism.

          • ms_anthro

            You don’t know what I believe, because I haven’t told you what I believe. It’s a cute strawman but it isn’t mine.

            And not everyone shrieks and retreats at the mere mention of national socialism. “Your beliefs lead to Hitler 2.0!” is unconvincing, to put it mildly.

    • David Ashton

      Niche tautology: AmRen is set up primarily for whites, though non-whites are not unwelcome if they have something serious to say. The young are too busy twitting their own adolescent inanities or downloading different stuff. And this site has women contributors. That our ideas should “get out more” is true, and some of us do this outside the “echo chamber” and have made missionary proposals within it. It is no crime to be “middle aged” anyway – it could even be evidence of experience of life.

  • me

    Nah, he’s just been smoking too much reefer….

  • IKantunderstand

    Wow. What happened to the snake darter, or whatever the hell it’s called. Let’s face it, if you are a law abiding White farmer, you will be persecuted/prosecuted to death and/or bankruptcy for the mildest of infractions. However, if you are involved with illegal activities, if you are starting fires in a National Park, if you are colored, you will be given a pass. Um, did you all ever consider the fact that the government counts on the fact that White people act civilized in this country? That the White people fill out their tax returns? That the White people only drive cars if they have driver’s license? That they have car insurance? That White people dutifully go to work, mow their lawns, and take care of their children? Could we at least have a National Appreciate the White People Day? You know, a day when NO WHITE PEOPLE show up to work. Or, if you prefer: “White People Against Affirmative Action and Violent Crimes Committed Against Them Day.” And again, no WHITES show up for work. Let’s agitate for a statue of Bull Connor next to MLK.

    • me

      I say that we take the whole month of February off….

      • I’ve taken every year off for the last six years. I take care of my daughter, do dishes and laundry and vacuuming and car maintenance and so-on. I’d like to work in my old field again, but I would insist on a real share of the patent money, because I won’t ever work on straight salary again for the rest of my life.

        If that means China gets things done a bit better, these corporate bastards made their bed, and should now lay in it.

      • IKantunderstand

        I understand the symbolism. I like it. Based on our contributions, however, I think we deserve a few days of March as well.

    • jane johnson

      I like it! I say April 15th is White People’s Day, the day we starve the beast and quit funding our own demise. Tax amnesty day for people of European descent, and ONLY people of European descent. Let the blacks and browns subsidize their own dysfunction for a change.

      • IKantunderstand

        Perfect.

  • David Ashton

    A different view from England – see Peter Hitchens on the Wikipedia review of his book about our drug “war”.

  • David Ashton

    Two evils in political tandem, not just one.

  • Charles Martel

    If criminal gangs of blacks and Hispanics can so frighten police and other law enforcement that they stay out of these areas, why can’t whites become equally ruthless in defense of their rights to exist and frighten anyone away? I think I can answer my own question. The government hates whites who don’t tow the PC line so much that they would send in federal troops to gain control. Still, there is some hope we just need to be ruthless and fight a low level gorilla war.

    • ThomasER916

      We have to, but the difference is we need to fight everyone. For whites it’s not just enough to fight blacks and mestizos, everyone wants in. Whites, with our traditions and our culture, have always flourished. Look at what the South Africans have done in Orania in a few short years. The problem is:
      #1 – everyone wants in
      #2 – so-called minorities, esp Jews, will militate against whites
      #3 – White Liberals and Libertarians will join in to bring down whites

      If Whites organize a resistance all groups must be dealt with. Jews will never make it a national story that Blacks or Mestizos have mafia drug empires in America. They’ll lie and gin up racism against whites when a Mestizo Mutt shoots Trayvon Martin, they’ll say nothing of real crimes. To the Leftist, Jew, or Lib, there is only evil whites; everyone else get’s a pass.

  • curri

    Along with UK, California is the home of anarcho-tyranny in its advanced forms. Read
    Victor Davis Hanson’s “Two Californias” essay if you haven’t done so.

  • Luca

    Most of what you said is true. The 3-day binge also included other things, surely alcohol and possibly meth. However, why add to the list more dangerous things that kids will have easier access to and abuse??

    People self-medicate inspite of the fact that they have other choices. People sometimes choose to commit suicide, should we not try to stop them from that too? Drug abuse in many ways is a slow-motion suicide. People should be encouraged away from drugs not towards them.

  • Jim Henry

    Perfect example of the tail wagging the dog.

  • ThomasER916

    What’s even more insane is allowing them to live in your neighborhood and magically believe it won’t look like Detroit.

  • ThomasER916

    Queue the Ronulan Pothead Defense…

  • ThomasER916

    Pot does that to you. It disconnects you from reality making you think Utopia is just a puff away; making it the drug of choice of Libtards (Libertarians and Liberals).

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    Turns out that many of them are fronts for laundering drug money as well. I read that in the 2011 FBI Gang Assessment Report.