Meritocracy or Bias?

Scott Jaschik, Inside Higher Ed, August 13, 2013

Critics of affirmative action generally argue that the country would be better off with a meritocracy, typically defined as an admissions system where high school grades and standardized test scores are the key factors, applied in the same way to applicants of all races and ethnicities.

But what if they think they favor meritocracy but at some level actually have a flexible definition, depending on which groups would be helped by certain policies? Frank L. Samson, assistant professor of sociology at the University of Miami, thinks his new research findings suggest that the definition of meritocracy used by white people is far more fluid than many would admit, and that this fluidity results in white people favoring certain policies (and groups) over others.

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The white adults in the survey were also divided into two groups. Half were simply asked to assign the importance they thought various criteria should have in the admissions system of the University of California. The other half received a different prompt, one that noted that Asian Americans make up more than twice as many undergraduates proportionally in the UC system as they do in the population of the state.

When informed of that fact, the white adults favor a reduced role for grade and test scores in admissions–apparently based on high achievement levels by Asian-American applicants. (Nationally, Asian average total scores on the three parts of the SAT best white average scores by 1,641 to 1,578 this year.)

When asked about leadership as an admissions criterion, white ranking of the measure went up in importance when respondents were informed of the Asian success in University of California admissions.

“Sociologists have found that whites refer to ‘qualifications’ and a meritocratic distribution of opportunities and rewards, and the purported failure of blacks to live up to this meritocratic standard, to bolster the belief that racial inequality in the United States has some legitimacy,” Samson writes in the paper. “However, the results here suggest that the importance of meritocratic criteria for whites varies depending upon certain circumstances. To wit, white Californians do not hold a principled commitment to a fixed standard of merit.”

Samson raises the idea that white perception of “group threat” from Asians influences ideas about admissions criteria–suggesting that they are something other than pure in their embrace of meritocratic approaches.

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  • MekongDelta69

    Frank L. Samson, assistant professor of sociology at the University of Miami

    Anytime I see ‘professor of useless studies, I stop reading immediately, because I know everything that follows will be drivel.

    • me

      You’ve got that right! The lies that these a-holes spew out, then claim that it’s ‘unbiased research’ or ‘facts’. It’s an insult to anyone with half a brain cell. The stranglehold of the Marxists in the field of education is a ‘fact’. You’d be better off buying some land in a nice, European American rural community than waste your hard-earned money on these ‘indoctrination centers’ known as ‘universities’.

  • HJ11

    Actually, as a group, I believe that Whites could easily surpass most Asians in academic settings.

    What we see going on are several dynamics. One is the nerd factor, with most Asians in this country being nerds who have passive/agressive personalities in which they will always try to get the best deal for themselves but who will couch this in polite not pushy ways.

    Whites, on the other hand, are often still burdened with Christian based altruistic personalities in which they don’t push themselves or their interests because they don’t want to seem impolite or pushy, and as a result they don’t always get what’s best for themselves.

    It’s the universalist vs. particularist ethics that I’ve written about before on these pages.

    There’s more to this, but it’d be too verbose for this comment.

    • JohnEngelman

      I doubt you have ever sat in a class room with Orientals.

      • Sick of it

        They love answer guides. I know that from experience with them.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        I had a Chinese professor once. He had to have a white guy in the same department who probably got paid much less, come in the room and help when he couldn’t figure out what was wrong with the PowerPoint one morning.

        • Mike Lau

          Professors are often like that —I’ve seen white professors in the same predicament – does not mean they are not brilliant in their own areas —just unfamiliar with the software perhaps.

          Many make the mistake of running the slides in the design view, not the full-screen view —seen it many times.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            I am glad you are on here to set us straight.

          • Mike Lau

            Thanks!

    • Jesse_from_Sweden

      Another major factor is how you classify people into racial groups.

      Asians in the USA do far better than other groups in IQ and study results, but asians in the UK do far worse and are heavily overrepresented in crime, especially rape and sexrelated crimes.

      Why this difference? Why do asians in the UK behave so differently from asians in USA?
      The answer is simple, because it is not the same group, they merely have the same name. Asians in USA are northeast asians, chinese, korean and japanese, the very group that outperform whites in IQ. But asians in UK are afghani, bangladeshi, indians and iraqis, muslims typically, and as a group they are far below whites in IQ.

      So then we go back to USA, where do these “asians” fall?
      Not as the normal “asians”, that’s for sure. And certainly not hispanic or native american.
      So as what is an iraqi classed? Asian? Hardly.
      And egyptians, do they count as africans since Egypt is on the african continent? Again, hardly.

      The answer is given by looking at Dearborn, Michigan, where according to demographics the population is more than 85% white.
      And also more than 40% of the total is of arab ancestry.

      In other words, “whites” in USA are going to be performing worse and worse as this subgroup of “whites” are growing.
      If anything, it’s an excellent way of bridging the gap between black and whites, which as we all know is very hard to overcome by improving blacks.

      In Europe, where we make a difference between whites (european ancestry) and asians (from the very large and populous continent), we see clear differences between these groups who USA is all lumping in under “white”.

      A better classification is of northeast asians (koreans, chinese, japanese), south asians (indians) and MENA (middle east, north africa), as well as sub-saharan africans.

      USA has not had a very large MENA group before, but it is now quickly growing, and classifying them as whites is only going to be hurting actual whites.
      Unless your goal is to make whites as a group look to be much worse, and so reduce the need for affirmative action etc.

      And in the same way, if you want to make the gap between asians and white disappear, just classify everyone with ancestry from asia as asians…..

      • JohnEngelman

        That is why I use the term “Oriental” for Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and
        Vietnamese.

    • gemjunior

      Chinese won’t mind pushing, they push everyone in front of them trying to get on the subway. Or pretend they didn’t “notice” the long line when they go to the front of the line. I tell them in no uncertain terms in slow English “GET ON THE LINE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE” or I push them back or tell them loud “DON’T PUSH”. They get the message really fast and don’t fight you. I think they have to do it in China because of all the other billion retards all pushing at once.

      • Mike Lau

        Have you been to Eastern Europe? Much of the same goes on there.

        • gemjunior

          I sure have, I’ve been all over the world because my Dad worked for the airlines and I had free airfare before the corpos started owning everybody and stopped all freebies for the plebes so they could funnel the money upward for giant bonuses. It’s not fair if the CEO doesn’t get a few million more than the one last year did. Inflation, you know? I didn’t find anybody as aggressive at pushing as Chinese. I mean, I say aggressive but at the same time not confrontational in an overt way. I thank the Lord I don’t have to ride the subway anymore, not because of getting pushed – I just would rather not feel on my guard like that never again. From YKW.

          • Mike Lau

            I’ve ridden subways in Hong Kong and Guangzhou and Tokyo. Even though one is packed like sardines, it is OK. No aggression and feel 100% safe.

          • Jesse_from_Sweden

            The reason is fairly simple and has to do with cultural views on personal space.

            Western culture has a fairly large personal space, the area around your body where you get uncomfortable if a strange person enters.
            East asian cultures, much more populous and much more packed together simply has a much smaller personal space.

            so what we see as an invasion of personal space isn’t necessarily seen the same way by them.

            Quite simple, by packing close together, so that you push against each other, you can make the line much shorter, despite the fact that there is still the same amount of people in it, very useful when the lines get very long so that they have to “snake” around so as not to hit a wall.

    • evilsandmich

      That, and with some exception of the Japanese, they generally have all the creativity of a clay brick.

      • JohnEngelman

        For at least a generation the Japanese have produced better cars and consumer electronics than Americans.

    • Mike Lau

      In addition to IQ tests, there are reaction time tests, in which orientals outperform whites. Also orientals have larger brains than whites, and brain size does correlate with intelligence.

      • HJ11

        Brain size? Whales must be smarter than you.

        Reaction time? Blacks must outperform you.

    • Jacobite2

      East Asians have slightly higher average IQs than whites. Not astoundingly higher, but Asians’ll do better on merit. This whole discussion is ridiculous. If we don’t like it, just go and dust off the Chinese Exclusion Act. Justice only requires that we allow as many Chinese immigrants as the Chinese allow American immigrants. Be advised THAT won’t be hard to do!

      • HJ11

        I’ve never accepted that IQ tests do what they claim to do, i.e. measure one thing that is called “intelligence.” I subscribe to the notion that there are several types of intelligence.

        • Jacobite2

          Leftists have pulled that one too. One ding-dong posited 15 types of ‘intelligence’ I believe, including running and jumping. Remind me to check that my surgeon has the ‘thinking kind’. Gotta hand it to the Left: anything but the simple, hard truth.

  • Puggg

    White people want to do for white people?

    It’s called natural and positive behavior and tribal thinking. We should try it some time.

  • I know I’m not the smartest guy in the room, but let the chips fall where they may anyway.

    • Jacobite2

      IQ doesn’t tell the whole story. Whites are smarter than blacks but less intelligent than Asians and Jews. History doesn’t end there, though. No matter what my IQ is and what Mr. X’s is, if I’m alive and he’s dead, I’m smarter.

  • [Guest]

    This strikes me as a back-door argument in support of discrimination against white people in favor of blacks, with Asians thrown in merely to confuse the issue.

    That wouldn’t be at all surprising considering the source.

    • Winston Merryweather

      Bingo.

    • Northerner

      Asians are either part of the conversation, or they’re not. If we’re going hold them up as an example to blacks (i.e., as a foil), then it’s appropriate for opponents to bring them into other discussions and contexts. Right now, all sides are just citing Asians when convenient.

  • Freedoooom

    Asians just waste money in college just like other minorities anyways.

    • Many Asians are being discriminated against in the UC (California) system on the idea that there are “too many Asian engineers”.

      If blacks were treated similarly (“too many black athletes”) the schools would burn to the ground.

      [the chances of Asians rioting, looting, etc., are nill]

    • Northerner

      You’re grossly underestimating the number of Asians working behind the scenes in American industries and academia. Just because they’re not in the headlines doesn’t mean they’re not making significant contributions. You probably can’t even name a few of their more well known researchers (e.g., from UC Berkeley, MIT, John Hopkins etc) if you’ve never really looked into it.

      • Sick of it

        No offense, but the ones I’ve read about who were worth a damn were scientists in Japan. Not Asians in America. We tend to get a lot of the low brow end of foreign peoples, in case you’ve never noticed.

        • evilsandmich

          The uber-talented get accepted into their own university system; those that don’t make the cut go to U.S. universities.

    • JDInSanD

      Asians are good at doing directed research but they don’t seem to be as creative or inventive. Some say we are more inventive because of our stronger verbal skills. If you break down the SAT scores cited above you’ll see Asians will do far better on math than verbal but more whites do well on both. Colleges and companies find that the most well rounded candidate is the one who scores high in both areas. Many of the Asians I’ve worked with keep to their computers all day. They get a reputation for doing their job well but they are much less frequently selected as supervisors or asked to put together a presentation and fly across country to present it.

      • Northerner

        According to the 2010 College Board Reports, Asian SAT verbal scores are similar to those of Whites (i.e., they’ve reached parity). The fact that Asians are selected for managerial positions less frequently has more to do with stereotypes than anything else.

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          “The fact that Asians are selected for managerial positions less frequently has more to do with stereotypes than anything else”.

          Yes, more of the same endless talk about how any time any minority group doesn’t get picked at the same rate as whites in any area….is due to stereotypes and racism…it never has anything to do with whites being better. I don’t buy it anymore.

        • Joseph

          It has to do with a bad accent and quirky (to us) Asian culturally inculcated personality. They are also very much into
          chain-gangs” in the sense of when one gets in they find every other Asian friend/relative/acquaintance to tow along with them eventually. If you start with one there will be 4 more within a decade just like the Mexicans.

          And Engleman’s speculations notwithstanding, I DO speak from experience. I have found the Japanese to be less offensive in this regard but the Chinese are very race-conscious and promoting behind the scene despite the bowing and scraping demeanor among whites holding the levers, when trying to work their way in. I understand this, I only wish that whites could exercise the same prerogative to protect our own.

        • JohnEngelman

          Stereotypes are usually over generalizations of what is really true.

          That is why there is no stereotype of the fat, crack addicted Chinese woman on welfare who has five illegitimate children by five different men.

          • Northerner

            The stereotype of Whites being racist is persisting too. Would you say that’s “really true” as well?

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      28 of the world’s 30 most polluted cities are in China. If these people are so smart why isn’t there a deluge of brains working to figure out how not to poison Chinese water, air and soil? Oh yes, their too busy trying to move their families to The West, so their children can be educated in US universities and so their family can seek a “better life”. I’m still waiting to hear about the White American families moving to China for a “better life”, surely if these people were smarter than us there would be at least a few thousand American families fleeing for China every year.

      My offer to JE still stands that I will pledge to him $500 if he moves to an East Asian country, of course he won’t ever take me up on this. Talk is cheap. If I honestly thought the Chinese were smarter I would move there tomorrow, anyone would. JE would too if he truly believed that. Therefore, he is lying.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        I agree, but I want to add something (humor intended).

        The reason they have pollution problems is because they are too busy creating over the top, gaudy, and arrogant, opening ceremonies for the Olympics. I am tired of hearing about how impressive their opening ceremony was in 2008.

        To me, all that that proved was how much of an inferiority complex they really have. You don’t see Western countries putting nearly as much effort into their opening ceremonies, because they don’t have a need to. We use opening ceremonies for their intended purpose, and we are classy about it. We don’t use them as an ego boost, showing off to the rest of the world ….”look at us, we are the best”.

      • evilsandmich

        Getting a ‘native’ job (one where your workplace doesn’t send you over) not teaching English can be difficult due to fairly rampant discrimination against ‘gaijin’. Even then, reading the blogs of expats it seems like the excitement of Asia melts away when they realize that they will be assimilated because that’s how those places ‘work’.

      • Mike Lau

        Actually Chinese are going gangbusters with ‘green technology’ and are ahead of the US in this area. Watch what happens over the next 10 years or so.

    • JohnEngelman

      Asians have faced fierce discrimination in America, but this has not stopped them from working hard and getting ahead. In fact, they have been so successful in “racist” America that whites have even begun to complain about Asian achievement. Whether one lookS at Japanese and Chinese, who have been in America for generations, or Koreans and Vietnamese, who have arrived more recently, Asians have been remarkably successful…

      Throughout this period of constant prejudice and persecution, Chinese worked hard, saved their money, and built better lives for themselves. By the time they had full, legal standing in this country, many Chinese had incomes comparable to those of native born whites. By 1969, Chinese as a group out eamed Italian, German, and even Anglo-Saxon Americans…

      The achievements of more recent Asian immigrants have been well publicized. Everyone has heard of Vietnamese children who came to America unable to speak English and then, a few years later, graduated at the tops of their high-school classes.

      – Jared Taylor, from “Paved with Good Intentions”

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Yet another great “no duh” moment from socialist science. Had to throw in that anti-White little flourish about the Asians, though, just to show how bad we really are, since “favoring merit” might sound too…reasonable or something.

    Guess that’s how you get these things published.

  • Hal K

    Gee whiz, anything would be better than the heads you win, tails we lose situation in which whites find themselves today. There are fewer non-Jewish whites than Jews in Ivy League schools like Harvard.

  • borogirl54

    What I think should happen is that instead of looking at an application directly. Each applicant should be assigned a number and those evaluating applications just need to look at the grades, and test scores of the applicant and decide to admit or reject just based on these factors. This would keep race, gender or other bias from preventing the most qualified applicants from being admitted to a selective university.

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      Won’t ever happen. If they did that virtually no Blacks and very very few Mestizo Browns would ever get selected and as we all know that just doesn’t fit into the American political narrative at all.

  • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

    Well, meritocracy might be bad, but what we currently have is this – direct, mandated discrimination against Whites PLUS meritocratic competition for the remaining open slots. If we can’t have what we should have – Whites only – then meritocracy will have to do.

  • Spartacus

    “Scott Jaschik”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    This guy is not an eskimo .

    • ViktorNN

      It’s useful to google his name and see what kinds of sites he’s published on.

      • Spartacus

        I did .

        • ViktorNN

          Definitely not eskimo.

          • Spartacus

            Yep.

          • JDInSanD

            Maybe we should start calling them non-eskimos since they want to call us non-hispanic instead of white.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            Brilliant. Like whenever I hear “gringo” I spout “beaner” or even now when I hear Mexicans say “White” I respond with “Brown” and I challenge them to justify why one is right and one isn’t acceptable. They run for cover.

          • Jesse James

            Whenever someone says white I say real American.

  • Transpower

    I believe in a strict meritocracy, and I’m white. There is a hierarchy of ability, and the high achievers above me help me. For instance, when I went full time with my software company in the early 1980’s I was fortunate to have Microsoft Basic available–from Bill Gates. I see numerous illiterate and innumerate people carrying cell phones–do you think any of them could understand the math, science, and engineering involved in the development of a cell phone? Yet they benefit from the product!

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      You can believe in a meritocracy but we live in an idiotcracy.

  • This whole country is being fueled by a bias against White people.

    Meritocracy? The government is giving tax credits to hire welfare recipients and ex-military – no offense to ex-military but do you deserve a job more than I.
    The state of Illinois gives tax credits to hire “ex”-felons.

    • Luca

      What greater or more nobler group is there than those who would lay down their lives for their fellow citizens?

      I think I’ve answered your question.

      • Lay down their lives for fellow citizens?

        Is it 1862? The only thing US troops fight are other country’s wars.

        • Luca

          Please read what I said carefully. I said: “…who WOULD lay down their lives..” When you sign up, that’s what you are saying you are willing to do.

          Also, please don’t overlook Pearl Harbor, Wake island and the Philippines, where American civilians and military personnel were killed in unprovoked attacks on American territory.

          Americans were also attacked in Korea in 1950, whereby we had American troops stationed in S. Korea. Again, American students in Grenada in 1983.

          You are young and have probably been taught a revisionist history. Please read both sides and realize that somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

          • Mike Lau

            Funny in most places Americans have been attacked are places Americans should not have been in the first place.

          • Luca

            You’re right, we should let other countries overrun the world. Countries like North Korea. Your wisdom is spectacular.

          • Mike Lau

            North Korea wants to overrun the ‘world’?

          • Luca

            The would take the parts they want starting with S. Korea and Japan. Just as Japan did in the late 30’s and early 40’s. They would not want the entire world exclusively, they would share it with their communist brothers like China.

          • Mike Lau

            They just wanted South Korea, as they had every right to.
            They were never a threat to Japan. Rather it was Japan that occupied all of Korea for almost half a century.

            Talking about other countries wanting to take over the world, is rather ironic, coming from someone I assume is an American.

          • JohnEngelman

            I often agree with you Mike, but how does North Korea have the right to South Korea? By every criteria the government and economy of South Korea is superior to that of North Korea.

          • Mergatroyd

            Now we can agree on something.

            Ditto for the Chinese who do not belong in Tibet (which the UN deems a “genocide”) Ditto for the Japanese, who have one of the WORST colonial histories on the earth, especially in China, but funny thing: No one is demanding THEY give up THEIR homeland or children’s future because of “past bad acts” are they?
            No, that is only happening to Whites in White homelands.

    • Sick of it

      The government handed over the fishing industry to Asians decades ago. Asians who had only recently moved to this country. Now they give out tons of small business grants and loans to Hispanics, as well as Arabs.

      • Jesse James

        Right it is definitely not through merit that foreigners now seem to own and operate the majority of gas stations, convenience stores and hotels. The government has given them a pass on taxes and given them grants to operate their businesses. When the time period is up on their no tax period they simply transfer the ownership of the business to another family member. Our government has given them a grossly unfair competitive advantage that no real American beset by ruinous taxes and harassed by a multitude of regulatory government agencies is allowed. This policy is spurred by the globalist who wish to destroy all the historically white nations as whites are the only people with enough intelligence and cultural traditions of freedom to oppose the global power elites. They want to destroy the middle class, encourage our children to either not reproduce or to mix with other races and thus produce a tractable brown mass of humanity that they can lord it over.

    • Tinfoil A22hat

      I think you are absolutely right about the military.

      The majority of military are REMFs and really are not risking the laying
      down of their lives. Plus, they go into the military voluntarily, not
      against their will, so what exactly are they sacrificing?

      Why am I expected to worship them as some sort of heroes that are more
      important than the “common citizen”? I don’t remember all this
      idolization of military personnel while I was growing up. No one
      lionized me back then, and no, I’m not jealous, I’d laugh in their face if they
      did. I’m actually a bit nauseous about all this mindless worship of the
      military.

      “Supporting Our Troops” isn’t the same as licking their boots.

  • ed

    I don’t believe in a strict meritocracy. I believe that European-Americans should not have to deal with competition from other peoples in their own country. Whether that be Mexicans and blacks pushing down low skilled wages, or Asians and Jews beating them out of college spots.

    I want what is best for my fellow European-Americans, and there isn’t a thing hypocritical about that.

  • Winston Merryweather

    So whites are really hypocrites and therefore should have sympathy for black affirmative action in admissions.

    • ViktorNN

      What they want is for whites to accept affirmative action for blacks and hispanics at the low end of the admissions spectrum, but then also accept meritocratic standards for jews and asians at the high end of the spectrum.

      In other words, the white majority in the middle will be squeezed into an ever smaller group (and this group will have affirmative action standards applied to favor white women).

      The message these liberal social engineers are sending? White men should consider trade school.

      Trade school isn’t a bad direction in this economy actually – but public and private university policy which shuts doors and pushes white men in that direct is grossly unjust, I think we can all agree.

  • Daniel Schmuhl

    I”m ok with pure meritocracy in education so if there will be disproportionate amounts of Asians ans Ashkenazi Jews then so be it. But as other commenters have pointed out Asians tend to be very bad at forming original thoughts and new ideas.

  • Luca

    Higher education is a system of seeking out the best and the brightest, not the darkest or the lightest.

  • ViktorNN

    Actually, whites are showing that they ARE principled – just not in a way that Jaschik thinks they should be.

    Because after all, whites are the only group in this country not allowed to show racial solidarity.

    • Erasmus

      Because after all, whites are the only group in this country not allowed to show racial solidarity.

      We may not be allowed to show it, but it’s growing, and I’m loving it.

      • Sick of it

        Ethnic biases may be growing, but sadly solidarity may be decreasing rather than increasing. I’d prefer the solidarity so we can form functioning communities where people won’t turn on each other. No more selling out, no more ripping off one’s fellows.

  • JohnEngelman

    The success of Orientals demonstrates that race is not a barrier to achievement in the United States.

    • Spartacus

      Race is a barrier to success for blacks, only not in the way most of them think. Low IQ and lack of inner discipline is what makes them the worthless vermin that they are , and it has nothing to do with external factors.

      • Beetlejuice

        The U.S. government has leveled the field in the name of social justice for blacks and past discrimination against blacks. This means they are favored over whites for college admissions, good jobs and promotions. We’ve had 50+ years of institutional racism directed at the white race.

        • Spartacus

          You know, you guys in America should try learning about the history of eastern and central Europe. This place has been the slaughter field of humanity for centuries, with probably the worse wars , genocides and slaughters in history . Learn about those, and then tell the marxists that, despite us having it worse than any blacks on the face of the Earth, you can still walk the street of Bucuresti, Zagreb or Cracovia at night without worrying about getting killed. I’d like to see them answering to that one…

        • JohnEngelman

          And most blacks still can’t cut the mustard. Blacks and their white apologists still blame black poverty on white racism.

    • watling

      Amen. We just need the blacks to accept it too.

    • Beetlejuice

      You are wrong, as usual. Race most certainly is a barrier to achievement as whites are locked out of college admissions, jobs and passed over for promotions due to AA. Whites are egregiously being discriminated against in ALL sectors of the economy.

      • JohnEngelman

        I am opposed to affirmative action. Nevertheless, the gap in average intelligence between the various races is significant enough that capable whites are still able to succeed.

  • Northerner

    While AA takes college seats from Whites and gives them to Blacks & Hispanics, what most people don’t realize is that AA also has a protective effect on Whites too (by saving seats that would otherwise go to Asians). It’s been estimated that if College Admissions were completely race-blind, Asian enrollment would actually increase 5x and the enrollment of most other minorities would fall to zero; making the schools entirely White and Asian.

    Asian-American students are compared to each other at a higher standard than White students, making it a verifiable bloodbath among their own academic stars. Some colleges have changed the definition of merit and others have allegedly imposed caps (e.g., Ivy League schools where it has long been suspected that they cap Asian enrollment at 20%).

    • Sick of it

      You should take into consideration that much of the Asian enrollment issue has to do with foreign students attending American colleges. We should not have to compete with foreign students in order to make it into an American college. Nor should they be forced to compete with us in their own countries. That’s good common sense.

      • Northerner

        Colleges make huge amounts of money from foreign students. This in turn keeps people employed and helps our economy. It’s beneficial from a national perspective (even if it’s not from a racial one). The competitive/ crowding out argument that’s often made is overblown; international students are usually admitted from a separate applicant pool than U.S. domestic students.

        • MBlanc46

          We shouldn’t have foreigners financing our institutions of higher education. They should be first and foremost for native-born Americans. Within that group, demonstrated academic ability should be the admissions criterion.

        • Sick of it

          I’ve seen crowding out in Engineering, Physics, Computer Science and it’s heading that direction in Accounting. Surely Americans would want the better paying jobs?

        • Talltrees

          Every university has room for a specific number of students. All openings need to go to American citizens only.

  • Tinfoil A22hat

    “But what if you think you do but you don’t because you know everyone is actually better than you, but you just can’t deal with it and that’s why everyone hates you — I mean you hate everyone you stupid racist!”

    That’s my guess at the thesis statement. Amirite? Or do I really need to read this because my guess is way off base?

  • gemjunior

    I have plenty of experience with Orientals in school, nothing at all bad to say about them. Not the most exciting people, but so what, they take plenty of pride in the work ethic and that’s most important for me. Still, I would have to say if there is to be a big race or competition bring it on, I don’t think too many white people are terrified here. Just do not put me near them in math because it’s not a stereotype – they’ll probably beat you. But they won’t beat you in Principles of Creative Design – it’s not easy for them to step out of their collective box. They can operate peacefully en masse. I’ve never heard of an Oriental riot – maybe when they had the Chinese Exclusion Act?

    • Paul

      Asians are not smarter at math. They simply are forced by their parents to do four times as much homework. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it’s not an intelligence issue.

      • Mergatroyd

        A running list of the greatest mathematicians:

        Isaac Newton
        Archimedes
        Carl F. Gauss
        Leonhard Euler
        Bernhard Riemann Henri Poincaré
        Joseph-Louis Lagrange
        David Hilbert
        Euclid of Alexandria
        Gottfried W. Leibniz Alexandre Grothendieck
        Pierre de Fermat
        Niels Abel
        Évariste Galois
        John von Neumann

        Not an Asian name to be had. What were people on this thread saying about Asian mathematical superiority?

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          Exactly. I don’t understand why this is so hard for people on here to figure out, or for white people in general to recognize. They lead the world in math and science? Who invented most of what we now have in those fields….especially in science?

          I remember in 2008 when China won the Olympics. It was the first time a nonwhite country ever won, yet people on the internet were suddenly exclaiming “the Chinese are the best athletes in the world!”.

          Really? Even though whites invented the Olympics as well as most of the sports involved, and not to mention that whites have won the Olympics every other year other than 2008?

          Some people are really dense, and it is starting to irritate me.

          • Mike Lau

            Well given the results of those particularly Olympic games, they were the best athletes in the world.

            Just like when Brazil win the world cup, they are the world’s finest footballers. The fact that Brazilians did not invent the game of soccer, come up with its rules, have the earliest and most supported clubs in the world, did not export the game, does not gainsay the point that they are or were the world’s greatest footballers (it is actually Spain now).

            Of course it was the English who invented football and made it into a world game…..but they are absolutely useless at it now, and very unlikely to ever win another world-cup, or even get close to it.

            Similarly you would not deny that Europeans made Christianity what it is today —-but they certainly did not ‘invent’ the religion, it was invented by Middle Easterners. If most Amren people saw Jesus as he most likely did look, and he lived in the US, they would want to deport him.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Are you serious? You are comparing apples to oranges.

            Brazil, just like other countries dominated by Southern European culture, tend to be the best at soccer (football) year after year. China won the Olympics once…..only once.

            And the fact that England invented something and then became less and less good at it, is hardly a comparison to my point about whites dominating the Olympics historically in more way than one.

            Then you mention the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the Son of God. He was great because of that alone. He was from the Middle East, but His teachings flourished and turned into a culture called Christianity in Europe.

            In other words, the examples you just gave were a poor choice.

          • Mike Lau

            The latest winner of any championship is considered the best for that moment. That is why they have championships.

            The fact or actually non-fact about Brazil being dominated by Southern European culture is a non-sequitur.

            And Jesus Christ was not a white man. A person like you would not have let him into the US.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jesus was a Jew. Jews are white, as are Arabs.

          • Sick of it

            The Israelites were also white, as were the inhabitants of the Middle East generally prior to its modern ethnogenesis, thanks to centuries of Arab domination and black slavery. All historical fact. All shown in the archaeological record as well as from artifacts left behind.

          • Mike Lau

            Amazing.

    • Mergatroyd

      I’m surprised a comment like yours has surfaced on a site like this. Are you carrying water for the Asians supremacists?

      Chinese DO riot. Didn’t get the memo?:

      Riots after Chinese teachers try to stop pupils from cheating:

      http://www // telegraph //co // uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10132391/Riot-after-Chinese-teachers-try-to-stop-pupils-cheating //html

      As for the rest of your anti-white post, Chinese are certainly not better at math (or science) for that matter. If they were, why do they have to cheat?

      *83% of College Students in China Cheat on Exams:

      http://www //theepochtimes // com/n…

      *Conundrum”: 90 Percent of China’s Applicants Cheat:

      http://www //huffingtonpost // com/…

      I defy you or anyone else to provide any evidence of the same level of cheating among white students.

      We are losing our heritage, culture and homelands and people like you are egging it on. In 50 years there will be NO majority White countries left. Yet Asia will remain Asian. White Europeans are perfectly justified to wish to remain dominant and in full control of our native homelands, in the exact same way as Asians desire to keep their culture, heritage and homelands.

      • gemjunior

        “We are losing our heritage, culture and homelands and people like you are egging it on. In 50 years there will be NO majority White countries left. Yet Asia will remain Asian. White Europeans are perfectly justified to wish to remain dominant”
        People like me are causing us to lose our heritage culture and homelands? LOL, I guess you put me in my place. Maybe you should look at all my posts before making stupid comments like that one, I haven’t exactly been bowled over by your keen perceptions and witticisms – I don’t think I ever saw your name (WTF) or comments on here before, and I’m on here actually about 3 times a day. You can be a race realist without hating and despising every other person that comes to the west you know. Or, you can put them in order of preference like I do from absolutely intolerable to barely tolerable immigrants and here is how it goes – from worst nightmare in USA to if-I-have-to-suffer-their-presence-at-all-then-ok-just-let-in-a-couple-of-them-though. None-of-the-others-though.
        1) Black or Negro – any person originating in Africa WORST, NO, PLEASE
        2) Non-white Hispanic NEXT TO WORST
        3) Middle Eastern or Indian HORRIBLE CHOICE
        4) Alaskan native or American Indian NO WAY
        5) Asian or Pacific islander BEST OF A BAD LOT
        6) White European origin or Caucasian THE BEST
        I always tell it like I see it and if that’s my experience with the panfaces, that’s how I see it. Doesn’t mean I want to marry one of them or move here. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t touch their cat meat. However, I spent a good part of my time in a very Chinese area of Brooklyn that bordered on Puerto Rican and Middle Eastern. I was an Nurse Practitioner in a primary care clinic there and I noticed the difference between the greedy, haughty, thankless entitlement of the latter cultures against the humble thankfulness of the Chinese. It’s been my experience and if you don’t like it, go and [email protected]# YOURSELF stupid.

      • Mike Lau

        Well, yes, out of a population of 1.3 billion people in a developing country you will get some riots, that is hardly surprising. Specially given the fact that whites also riot, if not more than Chinese. When Jack Johnson won the world heavy-weight championship title, there were white riots all over America, and random killings of blacks. There were also a huge number of labour riots in the early twentieth century.

        The worst modern day football fans, the most violent and riotous are obviously the English —-all of them white.

        • Mergatroyd

          That’s the best you can do? Dredge up White Riots from the Jack Johnson era?

          I have a quick question for Mike Lau, the same question I pose to every other anti-White present. Note: The answer to this question won’t be found in Wiki … you may have to actually think for yourself.
—


          When did you first start hating Whites?

          • Mike Lau

            “modern day football fans”

            I have a question for you. Who taught you to read so poorly?

          • Mike Lau

            Never have hated whites. However, I don’t have much time for supremacists of any race.

        • Mergatroyd

          Do you ever foresee of a time when you’ll give up your life-obsession of promoting and bashing the White race?

      • Mike Lau

        As for the rest of your anti-white post, Chinese are certainly not
        better at math (or science) for that matter. If they were, why do they
        have to cheat?

        Well it is pretty hard to cheat on SAT tests, ACT tests, or IQ tests under controlled conditions. East Asians do well on all of these tests, and outperform whites.

        • JohnEngelman

          According to the U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics, during the school year of 1986-87 the average SAT score in mathematics for whites was 514. For Asians it was 541.

          During the school year of 2010-2011 the average Sat score in mathematics for whites was 535. For Asians it was 595.

  • Tinfoil A22hat

    Yes I honestly cannot wait until my superiors, the Asians, claim their place as leaders of all men. Then we white people will finally get to leech off of someone. I hope they go in for the skrimnationz, too, so I can whine about how their gigantic brainpans be keepin’ me down.

    Go! My Asian superiors! Don’t forget who was in the front line here lickin’ yer boots. I expect some level of favor in return.

  • Tinfoil A22hat

    O.K. Asians are better than white people because they are smarter than us. So why do they want to be in the west amongst their inferiors? Slumming? If I were superior I’d say “eff these dipsticks I’m going to stay over here in my superior society with it’s superior entertainment, economy, healthcare, and quality of life.”.

    What the @&%* is going on? We’re to evil for most people, and too dumb for the rest. Then why don’t you all just @&%* off and get away from us evil morons? I think that would be best for us all. But I’m just a stupid evil white guy, what the hell do I know?

    • Evette Coutier

      You are dead on.

    • Paul

      Whites generally don’t flee their birth countries. It’s a peculiarly non-white trait.

      • Mike Lau

        Thats bs —most white Americans are descended from immigrants that are not of the founding stock. They were fleeing bad conditions in Europe ala the Irish famine, and religious persecution.

        East Asians, like anyone else will move to where the wealth still is. That is why you get mainland Chinese desperate to get into the US, but not Japanese or Singaporeans. Its not a racial trait. Its simply to do with economics.

        • Tinfoil A22hat

          Since there is enough wealth in Singapore and Japan to make moving to the U.S. unappealing, why don’t other Asians who want more wealth move to those places? I’m sure those wealthier Asians would love to give their less fortunate Asian brethren a hand, right? Or are there additional, non-economic reasons for wanting to move to the U.S.? People relocate for more reasons than economics, right?

          • Mergatroyd

            Asians want to come here and steal what the white man created, what they do not have the ability to create.
            I was looking at an advertisement for a local Yo Yo Ma concert the other day. He was going to play Dvorak’s Cello Concerto in B Minor, “The Swan” from Saint-Saëns’ “Carnival of the Animals,” Igor Stravinsky’s “Suite italienne” from “Pulcinella,” and end the performance with Johannes Brahms’ Sonata No. 3 in D Minor.
            Why wasn’t he playing all the great Chinese classical music composers? Oh wait…

          • JohnEngelman

            Asians who come to the United States have lower crime rates than whites. They rarely steel. They generally earn higher salaries than whites, because they perform better.

        • Mergatroyd

          It IS a racial trait. America was created by whites for whites, not for Chinese or any other Asians. All countries, including this one, are created as a reflection of racial traits.

          Maybe that’s why China is so polluted? You Chinese created a communist state you live in it.

        • me

          What are you talking about? This country was built by, and for, Europeans. The United States didn’t exist. Europeans carved it out of the wilderness of an unknown mass of land. Before the Immigration Act of 1924, you couldn’t get into the United States if you weren’t White and a non-criminal. You are a real idiot for claiming that the United States wasn’t created, built, and currently maintained by the blood, sweat, and tears of European Americans. Go do some reading on the difference between a nation founded on a united people’s commonality to each other in race, ethnicity, values, morals, and standards–and how a nation is destroyed by ‘diversity’ and economic greed. Then, maybe, you’ll have something worthwhile to contribute to the conversation

        • Sick of it

          At least two of the regular posters on this board are descended from white settlers who arrived in the 1600s. Others may be as well, but either do not know or have said nothing. To be blunt, most folks don’t study their family history enough for you to make the above assertion as the families themselves often do not know from whom they are descended. How would you know more than they do?

      • Tinfoil A22hat

        I was wondering why Asians want to live with their inferiors, not why whites don’t want to move to Asia.

  • HJ11

    I know a little about I.Q. and I.Q. tests (MENSA, etc.) My comments stand. And, I have been in classrooms with Orientals.

  • Chris Granzow XI

    These are the problems and debates that arise when you prioritize foreign people over your own for half a century. It seems like our country imports low-level workers from latin america and says “they’re just taking the jobs no one else wants to do.” But, then we turn around and take in tens of thousands of students from Asia who take jobs in engineering, medicine, IT, etc. So we let people in to take “the jobs we don’t want,” but also let people in to take the high-status jobs we do want? It makes no sense. For once, we have to flip the script and start copying countries like Japan who cater to their own people.

  • William Krapek

    I haven’t made up my mind about Asians. I know they have high IQs, but there really is a light in White people’s eyes that I rarely see anywhere else. Maybe they’re better at mathematics than we are – although since all the math they’re learning is stuff that we created ourselves I doubt that – but I don’t see that light. And they are far too impulsively collective in my opinion.

    And no – they’re not at all creative. I studied Chinese history, and I cannot think of a single Alexander the Great or Steve Jobs among them.

    • willbest

      Asians are very good at applying concepts, and making iterative improvements. Their culture however tends not to appreciate transformative, So I suspect if you want an Asian Steve Jobs they will probably have to be born and raised in the West to parents that have been sufficient westernized.

      • Mike Lau

        Thats laughable —-they had to ‘create’ the civilizations that they had, which were already pretty advanced when the white man came along.

        Obviously Asians were latecomers to the scientific and industrial revolutions, but creativity can be expressed in ways other than technological (which they have become pretty good at anyway).

        Chinese and Japanese cuisine for one beats Western cuisine in terms of sheer variety and creative effort hands down (even Thai cusine does), and the Japanese have a sense of minimalist beauty and style that belies claims by white nationalists of a robotic asian hive mind.

        • willbest

          I suspect you are more familiar with Asian cuisine and thus can think of more variety. For example, I might think that the 15 versions of stir fried beef with veggies on the take out menu really are just 1 dish where as you might think the 15 versions of sausage and the German restaurant I frequent are just really 1 dish.

        • Tinfoil A22hat

          Eh your food all looks and tastes the same to me: carbos, veggies, protein. How creative.

          • Mike Lau

            Have you a brain? Most food consist of carbos, veggies, and protein eh?

            Its what you do with it that counts.

        • watling

          Can’t agree on the cuisine thing.

          Western cuisine includes Spanish, Italian, French and Greek. The Swiss and Belgians are world renowned for their chocolate.

          Do China or Japan produce much wine? I’ve never seen any on sale in the UK (apart from sake) but we have wines from all over Europe, Australia/NZ, USA, South Africa, Chile, and Argentina.

          Appreciation of food is subjective.

        • Mergatroyd

          Here we go again with the SILLY Asian supremacist posts where they grasp at straw to prove how eeevvvviiiillll Whites are (while using White technology and White language) and how Asians are superior in every way.

          Really, dog, you need some new programming. You come on here and repeat the same lines over and over again barking like one of Pavlov’s Dogs or a trained seal.

          Now if you really want to have a debate and look at facts I’m all ready to debate you but you’ve got to knock off Asian supremacist mantras. You need to go back to your anti-white trainer and demand your money back.

          1. In China‚ 80% of major rivers are so degraded that they no longer support aquatic life; 90 % of all groundwater systems under major cities in China are contaminated.

          2. Rat meat sold as lamb in latest China food scandal

          3. 83% of College Students in China Cheat on Exams. 90 Percent of China’s Applicants Cheat.

          4. Riots after Chinese teachers try to stop pupils from cheating.

          5. U.S. Gets Tough on China Industrial Spying:

          6. Over 1 Million Counterfeit Chinese Parts Discovered In Defense Department Supply Chain.

          So much for Asian superiority.

          IQ is only part of the issue. The bottom line is and always will be RACE.

          • Mike Lau

            You are obviously ignorant of your own history. Read up about conditions during the gilded era. Exactly the same type of problems you are seeing in China now – including massive food adulteration and milk adulteration.

            China is more or less at the same stage in terms of industrial and economic development as America was a century ago.

      • William Krapek

        Well… that or they’re just congenitally incapable of making those leaps. As I said, I haven’t made up my mind.

    • Sick of it

      There have been many interesting folks in Chinese history, some quite creative (Sun Tzu? Qin Shi Huang? Confucius?). But then the Mongols took over China. Agree re: collectivism.

      • William Krapek

        Oh Lord no. I don’t underestimate those people. But we’re like Hagia Sophia and they’re the Great Wall. One is a bolt out of the blue that stunned the world. The other is… just a big wall.

        • Sick of it

          I believe they could have done more if not for the Mongol conquest of China, but the extent of their potential development is debatable. Mongol-ruled China was meh, Communist China also not impressive.

          • William Krapek

            Well keep in mind the Roman Empire lost half its population after the Arab Genocide. The Muslims also shut down the papyrus production, so we had to switch to the much more costly and limited parchment. So literacy cratered, too.

          • Sick of it

            Part Arabs, part Black Death. Without the plague weakening the Roman Empire so much at that time, I doubt the Arabs could have conquered so much.

          • William Krapek

            Rome had plenty of plagues. So did everyone else.

            I don’t call it the Arab Conquest. I call it the Arab Genocide. They didn’t just murder a lot of Christians, they also destroyed the infrastructure of Syria and North Africa. After their waves of terrorism that went on for decades the land could no longer support big cities. Contrary to what you’ve been taught, North Africa did NOT dry out because of climate change. The Muslims hated trees so they cut them all down, their goats ate the grass to a nub, and all the good soil blew out into the Mediterranean. Where you can see it laying to this very day. They also tore up the extensive irrigation network.

            I also have a strong suspicion that the Arabs were coordinating with the Jews in Babylon and the Persians. Those last two almost succeeded in destroying the Roman Empire and taking its capital in Constantinople in a vicious war to the death. Which they lost. We’re taught that it was just one damn thing after another: the Persian War then the Arab Genocide. But *I* think it was more like Plan A and Plan B.

            Read Robert Spencer’s “Did Muhammad Exist?” None of the early reports of the Arab Genocide mention anything about Muhammad or the Quran. But there ARE conversations about the Jews of the Empire celebrating this slaughter. Apparently their Ismaelite brethren had come to liberate Jerusalem. Spencer is a big supporter of Israel, so of course he can’t seem to draw the proper conclusions from his own evidence. But I certainly could.

          • Sick of it

            The plague also affected the Persians if I’m not mistaken, but not the bedouin. The bedouin ultimately conquered Persia as well as parts of Rome and, as you stated, committed genocide against the local populations. I don’t think it was a Plan A/Plan B thing as Zoroastrians are not welcome in Islamic nations. Persians were also a highly civilized people…there is no comparison between them and the savage bedouin.

            Not sure how the Arabs modified the natural ecology of the region and I actually had not been taught much in that area except that desertification may have had something to do with extensive farming for thousands of years (this was before more advanced forms of crop rotation). Honestly, I have no clue. I can, on the other hand, clearly see the result of Arabs’ tinkering with the human ecology of the region.

            Re: the so-called prophet of Islam, I have read a wide range of theories, including Islam being some sort of Catholic plot. Personally, I think it was a cult started by a madman who may very well have been led astray by a demon, but too little remains to say for sure. Most of what we call Islam today was engineered after their prophet’s death.

          • William Krapek

            After the Arab Genocide – which, again, I think was secretly seconded by the Persian military – every single province ever conquered by a Roman legion fell into a dark age. Every. One. From Iraq to Spain. From Egypt to Britain. Rarely a stone building raised (that we can unambiguously attribute). Not a great work of art created. Not a great treatise written. This the archaeology of these regions is quite clear on. And considering all we “knew” about he Muslim “Golden Age” this turn of events was quite a shock.

            But Persia buzzed along just fine. Also: the first Muslim coins over there show the Shah comfortably sitting on his throne.

            Both Robert Spencer and I are agnostic on what happened at the dawn of Muslim history. But I can tell you this for sure: what the historians are telling us today is NOT what happened. Either the Persian War lasted longer or the Arab Genocide started sooner. For one thing, despite the alleged ten year break between those events the Byzantine Romans never even started to rebuild their damaged cities and outlying infrastructure.

            We’re told that genocide started after Muhammad’s death (Damnation be Upon Him). And yet what do we read in one of the early reports from a Jewish convert to Christianity? This Arab prophet is alive and well. And yet: he’s acting a lot more like an Elijah making the way straight for the coming of the Messiah that the prophet of Islam we “know” about today.

            But back to my original point: Up to the Arab Genocide there was no question but that the Greeks and Romans were easily the equal of the Chinese – be they Han or the Byzantium’s T’ang contemporaries. And once they finally beat down the Muslim menace White people went right back to the front of the line. Therefore: all theories of North Asian intellectual superiority no matter how seemingly well grounded are suspicious to me. SOMETHING is probably is missing in those arguments.

          • Sick of it

            I don’t believe in North Asian intellectual superiority, but if you want to know why they’re smarter than so many groups generally, take a look in the mirror. Take a look at archaeology from the region. Do some genetic testing. I’ve seen Chinese and Japanese who most folks would think are white. According to Chinese dissidents, China once had many many people that looked like us before the Communist purges – They specifically targeted the most western looking people for annihilation.

  • WardKendall

    Virtually all the major scientific and technological achievements that we see on a day to day basis stem from white research and white innovation. Take just one recent example: the Martin jet pack, designed and built by a white New Zealander. It is destined to revolutionize personal, portable flying ala The Jetsons™. By contrast, there is an extreme paucity of Asiatic achievements of this magnitude. That’s because whites continue to dominate all areas of scientific and technological creation. Thus, it is nonsense for whites to believe that they are second-rate to any other group of people – anywhere.

    Always remember: WE BUILT THIS WORLD.

    • Mike Lau

      That’s sheer and utter rubbish. For one you leveraged off a mathematical heritage bequeathed to you by Arabs and Indians. Once you have the basic scientific concepts, a economic environment that encourages investment, as well as a penchant for invading other countries for their resources, the rest will come naturally. That is why the Japanese have more than caught up in just a century, and the Chinese coming from almost nothing will likely be the world’s next superpower.

      • Tinfoil A22hat

        Why don’t you form an Asian Renaissance site and pat yourself on the back there? If I want to read anti-white rubbish I can pick up a newspaper. Spew invective on your own dime, your hive mentality insures you will find like minded participants.

        Oh, and the Chinese have “advanced” through theft and espionage. You mighty also want to bend your superior mind to creating better military defense to thwart our ability to invade other countries. I’m sure you can develop that in your spare time. I don’t know why the U.S. has to babysit you superior Asians to keep you from killing each other. I say let you police yourselves, repatriate yourselves, and let the Japanese, Chinese, North and South Koreans, Cambodians and Vietnamese sort out your own damned differences and let nature take its course.

        • Mike Lau

          Actually I agree with part of your post 100%. All US forces should leave Asia, and let China take over. East Asia should rightly be China’s sphere of influence.

      • Mergatroyd

        Nice try again, but the fact that this world is still completely dominated by Western Civilization and White technology proves that IQ isn’t obviously everything. Especially when you’re using the White English language, electric power, computer, Internet to communicate to us here, NOT the chinese ones.

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          Exactly. And if we want to compare who is more innovative, all anybody has to do is compare Western alphabets to Eastern alphabets. Hardly anybody does this, but it is so glaringly obvious.

          Westerners like to “oooh” and “aaahhhh” over the Eastern alphabets and they stupidly come to conclusions like “how do those smart Asians memorize all those symbols?” and “oh, each of those symbols is an intricate work of art”.

          Okay, well which type of alphabet in reality depicts a higher level of intelligence? The alphabet where each word has a symbol, or the alphabet where each letter represents a sound you make with your mouth?

          • Mike Lau

            Obviously you know nothing about the Chinese language.

            Chinese vocabulary is a lot more logical than English vocab. Once one has mastered a certain number of Chinese characters, the vocab falls into place very quickly. That is because almost all Chinese words are compound words.

            Consider the word for happy ‘kai xin’, —literally ‘open heart’. The word actually has a meaning behind it. But the word ‘happy’ is just abstract sounds.

            Chinese is a more efficient way to communicate than English, and because the language is so much older, has stripped away much of the useless grammatical constructs which do such much to stymie the efforts of foreign learners of European languages.

            In fact a foreigner can pretty much get to speak perfect Chinese after a few years of effort (although of course with an accent). Not so with the European languages.

            That is why Mandarin should be the international language, and most likely will be in the future.

          • Luca

            Obviously you don’t know how to answer a question. Her question was about European alphabets vs. Chinese characters. You answered by switching the subject over to Chinese grammar.
            Typical liberal tactic, when you are losing an argument switch subjects or answer a question that hasn’t been asked.

          • Mike Lau

            The response was perfectly legitimate. Alphabets do not exist simply for the sake of existing. They have a utility. They are used to construct words and vocabulary. And in this the Chinese system is way more efficient than English.

            And yes, in grammar, English being a relatively primitive language compared to Chinese has a whole load of redundancies.

            Chinese is terse and to the point, yet at the same time is the perfect language for poetry. English poetry by contrast is inelegant and unwieldy.

            And we had magnificent poets way way before you had Chaucer.

          • JohnEngelman

            Mike,

            You may be right about the Mandarin language. Nevertheless, the Chinese and the Japanese would be better off if they adopted their languages to the Latin alphabet the way the Vietnamese did.

          • Luca

            Your bias is clear. You avoid the common sense point that western alphabets are far more efficient than Asian characters.

            Let’s break it down to a simple test: Is it easier to memorize 10,000 characters or 26 letters?

            You have switched the argument from alphabets to grammar and poetry and defend this as a logical answer.

            When the subject is “The color of the sky”, you respond with. “The moon is full.”

            You are not capable of intelligent debate, only chanting slogans and promoting propaganda.

    • me

      Damn straight! Why are we giving it away, then? We’re too civilized, empathetic, and altruistic. This has got to stop, if we’re to survive the Brown and Yellow racists..

      • Mike Lau

        You are not giving anything away. Non-whites pay for what you claim to ‘give away’

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    The assumption that ALL Asians are more intelligent than ALL Caucasians is false. The ones that come here are the smart ones and the driven. These diligent reporters could take a look at the China towns of the 1960s when Chinese youths were allowed in. There were no programs to give them gratuitous jobs and other tax payer funded boons, so they became involved in gangs that had links in China. I have know some of those “kids” as grown ups and they are lazy and dumb. But they are full of pride of being Chinese. It is what has sustained them. You can learn about this from searching the old History Channel programs on Organized Crime, Asia.

    • JohnEngelman

      The assumption that ALL Asians are more intelligent than ALL Caucasians is false.

      – Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Of course it is. So is the assumption that all Caucasians are more intelligent than all Negroes. Nevertheless, average differences exist.

  • willbest

    Colleges are running 60% female these days. In fact the only institutions that appear to be holding the 50/50 gender line are the Ivy league tier schools. Males aren’t being discriminated against in college admissions, they have been systematically discriminated against starting in kindergarten so they are that far behind.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      It almost makes me want to cry looking back at how the white boys were treated in the classroom when I was growing up. It seems that they were the only members of the class who the teachers felt they were entitled to fuss at. To think of how horrible of an experience that must have been for these boys. It is child abuse plain and simple.

  • Jesse James

    The question is not where asians would rank in a meritocracy but why they are here in the first place. They have their own countries let them compete and thrive there. It is time for the US government to concern itself with the real Americans and stop turning this country into a cheap labor cesspit for the multi-national muti-cultural corporations.

    • Northerner

      Asians are part of U.S. history. If it weren’t for the work ethic of the Chinese who risked their lives to lay down track in dangerous areas, our railroads would have taken a century longer to finish (if the job got done at all). Manifest Destiny could not have been realized without them. Their descendants are still here today, as well as some mining settlements that later became west coast towns.

      As for recent international students, why they’re here should be self-evident. American Colleges market themselves aggressively in Asian countries by offering a product (e.g., an education) which is of interest to lots of people, in exchange for their money. It’s about $$$

      • Jesse James

        Asians are barely part of US history. Up until the 1960 census this country was 90% white, Asians were less than 1% at that time. Everyone always goes on about the railroad but without them we would have used Mexicans or more European immigrants like the Irish. It is ridiculous to claim that we wouldn’t have completed the transcontinental railroad without them.

        I do think Asian cultures are interesting. They are an asset to humanity but unlike us they are in no danger of having their homelands over run by other racial groups. We are the only race that is in danger of disappearing. In 1900 whites were 30% of the world’s total population, now we are 8% and falling. If our percentage falls much further we will be in danger of ceasing to exist as a coherent racial group and culture. I would not wish that on any of the Asian peoples of the world and I certainly don’t wish it for my own people.

      • Sick of it

        There were Asians building the railroad in California basically. The rest of the country was a whole other ballgame. I agree 100% about American colleges prostituting themselves. There we will always agree.

      • Mergatroyd

        You are being disingenuous.

        This country was created for and by Whites, not Asians.
        Asians did not take America to the moon, nor did they create the computer you’re using right now.
        Asians have their own countries. There is not a single reason to import Asians into White countries. Not one.
        The technology you’re using was created by Whites not Asians, including the electrical grid that runs it.

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    “..the importance of meritocratic criteria for whites varies depending upon certain circumstances.”

    Well, I’m white and if a system based upon racially blind fairness favors one group over another then so be it, let the chips fall where they may. Our entire economic system is based upon competition and there is nothing inherently wrong with that. What’s “wrong” is the continued desire by liberals to apply racial equality to everything as if it is some kind of natural right.

  • Jesse James

    Most of you still don’t get it do you? You still think it is the 1970s where we can sit around discussing merit and affirmative action and the relative merits of different alien and mostly hostile other races. Asia is teeming with BILLIONS of people. China and India alone could each send 300 million people to North America and they wouldn’t be missed. In fact their leaving would improve the standard of living in their home countries and allow their races greater “living space” on the planet. Their emigrants funnel resources and knowledge back to heir homelands. In many cases this is in the form of actual hostile corporate and military intelligence gathering.

    A friend of mine is a Korean doctor in Atlanta. He is a good and honorable man with a nice talented family but he is not and never will be “one of us”. Atlanta has a sub-population of over 100,000 Koreans who have their own business districts. I told my friend that I wasn’t comfortable having such a large colony from another race and culture sprouting up in my home state. He replied, no offense but it doesn’t matter how you feel about it but you just don’t understand how many of us there are back home. They are coming here to the United States one way or another and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

    Race traitors like John Engleman have seen the future and decided to bet on the Asian horse. They take asian wives and sire mixed race children who they believe will get to partake in the new Asian-American elite class. So be warned their pro-Asian rhetoric is just their attempt to ingratiate themselves with a new alien elite they hope to empower and profit from. Don’t be fooled. Merit is admirable but blood is the essence of our culture and identity. The old white America has a shared history, common culture, unifying language and ties of blood. The new multi-cultural multi-racial American is nothing but mankind’s latest and most disastrous Tower of Babel and it is our doom as a race.

    • Mergatroyd

      Useful idiots are always the first ones shot when their usefulness ends. Just as it should be.

    • Tinfoil A22hat

      “They are coming here to the United States one way or another and there is nothing you can do to stop it.” He better watch it, because there are definitely things we can do to stop it, and I will not even mention what they are.

    • Sick of it

      Not eskimos are almost never race traitors…they’re just loyal to the not eskimos.

  • Kronolog

    Meritocracy itself has no intrinsic value, just like a free market; if it’s detrimental to the interests of the native population, it should be scrapped, and revived later if or when it actually is beneficial.

    • Northerner

      Meritocracy has value. Having people compete and letting the chips fall where they may exerts a selective pressure that theoretically brings the best candidates to the forefront. These people then go on to become leaders who maintain and advance the nation. It’s important to countries like China who consider it part of Eugenic practice.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    Here we go again. I agree with the people who are saying Asians are overrated. Yes, they perform better than whites on tests. Who cares?

    Who has invented more?

    And please, don’t remind me of China’s “many inventions during the Middle Ages”, ….inventions which I have yet to see a credible historian give evidence for.

    It has become common these days to take any modern white invention and then say “but it already had origins in China”. They even say this about the spaceship (Chinese “rockets” aka fireworks), the car (a chair you could sit in in China that only went a few yards when the wind pushed a sail attached to it), and the helicopter (a Chinese hand toy that kids twisted between their palms, and then it elevated into the air).

    I find it insulting to be quite honest with you. I am tired of hearing about it.

    • Northerner

      Talking about who invented what is discussed disproportionately more on White Nationalist sites than it is in the general public. If I had to guess, I doubt the average person (of any race) thinks about this sort of stuff. They care that their power is on and that their car starts; not who discovered electricity or who invented the automobile. Simply put, this stuff doesn’t resonate with anyone except people here.

      To be fair, many things did in fact have their conceptions and origins in China (their first origins, not necessarily modernized form). America to China today is how China was to Europe in the middle ages. A few hundred years ago, the Chinese probably thought we were backwards. Fortunately for whites, China closed itself off from the world and didn’t try to conquer distant lands and enslave people. In a way, they were an ideal world state at the time.

      We’re all tied together by time and history and I’m never going to say the Chinese (or other East Asians) are in any way inferior because things change with time, and this world wouldn’t be the same without both of us.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        I disagree. Who invented what is discussed by liberal whites as well as educated nonwhites in other parts of the world. On “white nationalist” sites, we are just trying to defend our honor and history.

        The rest of your post consists of the same argument I see over and over again. The fact that China was “more advanced” during a certain point, or that some things had origins in their most primitive form there, doesn’t change the fact that most achievements in science have come from the West. Why does everybody always choose Europe’s lowest point in history (the Middle Ages) to “prove” that other cultures were “more advanced” up until recently?

        It is meaningless when you consider that the ancient Greeks developed a great deal of science long before the rest of Europe ever entered a “Dark Age”.

        • Northerner

          People use Europe in the middle ages to illustrate how relative things are, and how much can change. In your own words, today would be considered one of China’s “low points”. With America’s changing demographics (and those of the Western world in general), the pendulum may very well swing back to China given its rapid pace of modernization.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            You are being very polite, so I will do the same for you even if I don’t agree.

            You make two points that in a way, in fact, prove my point.

            1) The West has to go through a demographic change in order for the East to catch up or become better. Think about what that implies.

            2) Whether or not China will get to this point is still very much a prediction, as you just stated. A prediction is never factual considering that it hasn’t happened yet.

          • Mike Lau

            Almost every single East Asian country, except China, is objectively superior to white countries in terms of corruption, crime rates, average IQ, economically etc. And vastly superior to the very whitest countries of Eastern Europe. And China, also, is fast catching up.

          • Mergatroyd

            Great! Then there’s NO REASON for Asians to fall all over themselves to immigrate to White countries is there?
            Tell every Asian you know how corrupt, crime-ridden and racist the U.S. and England are and to STAY in their OWN countries.

          • Mergatroyd

            Polite? This idiot has done nothing BUT bash and denigrate Whites, Courtney. He has gone down this thread falsely bragging about how “superior” Asians are to Whites.
            This is not being “very polite.”
            Have you ever gone onto an Asian-issues thread and bashed Asians? Told them to stop cheating, stop stealing White technology, stay in their own countries and stop invading ours, told them how inferior they are to White American and White British?
            I haven’t, but that’s what this fools is doing by spreading misinformation on a White-issues site.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            I think you may be getting “Northerner” confused with Mike Lau. Northerner is the poster I directed that comment towards. This is why it is important to look at the name listed in regards to who an actual comment is directed towards, instead of just looking at which comment my response falls directly under. The way this website indents comments makes it very confusing to see who is talking to who, but they have it set up this way to save room.

          • Mergatroyd

            Asians do not have the creative gene that Whites and Jews have. We put a man on the moon and created the technology you are using right now including the electrical grid that feeds us.
            End of argument.

        • Mike Lau

          Well through most of human history China was more advanced than Europe –right up until around two or three hundred years ago.

          Even 150 years ago, China share of global GDP was 33%, far greater than the combined GDP of all of Europe and America,

          That is why the Europeans invaded China, and India —to strip those countries of their wealth.

          After-all the so called ‘Age of Discovery’ was motivated by whites wanting to get their hands on Asian wealth, was it not?

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Most of human history? How do we measure that? More advanced than Greece, Rome, Byzantium etc….. Need I go on to what came after that?

            How were India and China more advanced just because they had more wealth? Were they more advanced in knowledge? Why was it Europe that set out to explore the world instead of them?

          • Mergatroyd

            Not true.
            The proof is in the computer and technology you are using right now, 100% created by Whites, not Asians.
            You are also using our language to bash and denigrate us.

            How about giving up everything the White man created? Turn in your cell phone and computer. Stop using your car because the internal combustion engine was created by Whites. No jet travel for you, that’s a White creation. Go out and find your own drinking water, Whites discovered germ theory which has saved Billions of Asians lives. No inoculations or vaccinations for you against deadly diseases, those are White discoveries. This leaves you vulnerable to small pox, plague, measles, etc. Diseases wiped out by Whites and ONLY Whites.

            Next time you need medical care, tell your doctor you ONLY want to use Chinese medicine, no White-created antibiotics, no White-created surgery or 1st world medical care, only those created by Asians.
            Good luck.

          • JohnEngelman

            When Marco Polo wrote about China during the High Middle Ages in Europe many Europeans doubted that such a superior civilization could exist.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Marco Polo is always mentioned in these discussions to the point where it is almost cliche. I don’t think people are really aware of what Marco Polo wrote about in regards to China.

            How many people have read Marco Polo’s accounts? I actually have.

            Let’s see…..he said great things about Venice, Italy (white); he said positive things about what is now modern day Iran (during that time still very Persian and white); he didn’t seem too impressed with Afghanistan or Central Asia, and his descriptions of those areas seem to prove that not much has really changed all these centuries; and he had negative things to say about India and Southeast Asia.

            Let’s see, this leaves the big one…….China. What did he have to say about China?

            Well, he was impressed with China’s spaghetti, pottery, municipal organization, bridges, and their large ships. The way liberals talk, you would think that Marco Polo went over there and copied a bunch of scientific and mathematical manuscripts. No such thing happened.

            When I read Marco Polo’s description of China, I am reading an account of a man who was admiring a large, old, civilization with lots and lots of people and wealth. He was describing a civilization that was very different from Europe, and perhaps “better” in some ways, but by no means all around superior.

            He had absolutely nothing to say about what sort of science and math was being taught in Chinese universities. I wonder why that is.

            And when we speak of this topic, why do so many of you like to casually ignore how it was around this time that Portuguese missionaries started going to China, and how the Chinese were very impressed with the Western knowledge that was brought with them?

    • Sick of it

      I like crediting them with cannon, seeing as how we were teaching them how to cast cannon during the late middle ages. But that knowledge requires one to read a serious historical work or to take a 300-400 level course, as opposed to the basics. If anyone responds with proof positive that they invented the cannon in China, it just shows that we were able to create an incomparably superior form of it not long after its invention which the inventors could not produce on their own. That’s not exactly proof of Asian superiority. A cursory look at the dates involving the use of an actual cannon make it more likely an Islamic invention.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        Islam is another civilization that tends to get over-credited for things. Then again that is normal these days for all nonwhite civilizations.

        • Sick of it

          The muslims were the first to use cannon against the West. I’ve never read a serious historical investigation into the history of the cannon, so its ultimate origin is questionable. Regarding muslim inventiveness, recall that much of that occurred early on, utilizing the local, formerly Christian populations as well as Greco-Roman knowledge. It’s not like they learned anything from Arabs in Arabia.

          • Mergatroyd

            Who cares? The evidence is all around us as to the superiority of White creativity and innovation, including the computer we’re using right now to communicate and the electrical grid that powers it. These was created by Whites and ONLY Whites.
            Asians will try to claim credit for our creations but don’t let them fool you, they merely ride on our coattails.

            Tell ’em to give up anything White for a few weeks and see what happens –let’s see, cell phones and computers, TVs, along with antibiotics, clean water, 1st world surgery, the internal combustion engine, jet travel and more. They’d be living in caves, drinking polluted water with a life-span of about 20-30 years.

          • Sick of it

            Again, sadly we’ve given them our technology on a silver platter. They have the factories producing it all now, since we’ve outsourced our manufacturing. We’ve given them the weapons to destroy us and made ourselves vulnerable.

          • Mergatroyd

            In 50 years there will be no White countries left, who invented what first doesn’t matter. We are losing our homelands, culture, history and heritage and anti-Whites on this thread like Mike Lau and Northerner are cheering on our demise and the moderators here allow it.
            What’s more important to the White race is to preserve our homelands from invasion, from Asians who wish to steal what we have built and created, from high-fertility black Africans who become life-long welfare parasites, from fecund Mexicans who destroy our cities and schools. This is what is critical. We must preserve a future for the next generation of Whites and the next, etc.
            Our anti-White enemies are powerful and they are ruthless and cold blooded. They foresee a world without Whites because we are their only competition and the only ones with the brains to stop them cold.
            I don’t know what it will take, I imagine when mass killings of Whites takes place after we are completely dehumanized and deemed “excess population” only then will Whites realize what they’re up against.
            Mike Lau, Northerner, Tim Wise and other anti-White are merely distractions and red herrings. They are the front men for our real enemy who hides behind their skirts and eggs them on. They now have control of the U.S. government, media and academia and they are virulently anti-White. Their goal is White genocide, nothing less and it is happening right now.
            Pity so few see it.
            Take care, friend, I know from reading your posts you know this and it is up to us to spread the word stop the Mike Laus of the world from their goal of harming us and our children.

        • JohnEngelman

          Muslims invented algebra, and transmitted “Arabic numerals” which were invented in India to Europe.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            You are part of the problem. You read liberal history books without investigating anything.

            “Muslims invented algebra”. That is so cliche and tiresome. Greeks did a lot with Algebra before Muslims got to it. As far as what Muslims did, who were these Muslims exactly? Were they mainly white Persians?

            And I don’t understand why everyone makes a huge issue about India inventing numeric notation and zero. Many cultures invented things here and there, and they are pretty important things, I agree. But none of this takes away from the fact that most math and science has come from the West.

            Open an encyclopedia. I have yet to read a Western encyclopedia that fails to recognize the achievements you just mentioned of nonwhites. But for some reason, the sections that discuss Greek math and science, as well as math and science in Europe during and after the Renaissance, tend to be 20 times longer than any of the other sections.

            Don’t come back and blame that on eurocentrism. If it were due to Western bias, then please explain to me why these same encyclopedias don’t do the same for topics like “meditation”, “yoga”, “martial arts”, etc…..

      • Mergatroyd

        We Whites sent men to the moon and returned them safely. No other race has done this except ours.
        End of argument.

        • Sick of it

          We’ve made that technology and the knowledge we gained from our space program available to peoples worldwide. Now the Chinese are serious about their own space program. They probably have American engineers and scientists working on it as well. The Chinese are already planning to build their own space station and then send astronauts to the moon. Why not, we’ve given them everything they need to do so on a silver platter while recusing ourselves from space.

          • Mergatroyd

            They’ve stolen a good bit of it and Clinton handed some over for campaign donations.
            They ride on our coattails because they cannot create what the White man has created.
            And don’t let Mike Lau, Northerner or any other anti-White Asian supremacist tell you otherwise.
            I’m sick and tired of these Asians supremacists coming onto White-issues site to denigrate Whites with their half-truths and outright lies.
            I wish the moderators here would put a stop to it as they do on other sites.

    • Mergatroyd

      Don’t feel bad, Courtney. Insanity and anti-White brainwashing are difficult to explain.

      Mike Lau has spent an incredible amount of time and is completely obsessed with justifying and rationalizing why Whites are inferior to Asians, while being oblivious to all empirical evidence. Filthy, corrupt, polluted, backwards Asian countries speak for themselves.

      He is a racist Asian supremacist and anti-White, one of the very worst I’ve encountered because of the brainwashing he’s been subjected to by his anti-White handlers.

      I look forward to the day when brainwashed Anti-whites like Mike Lau are exposed as the sick idiots they truly are.

      • Mike Lau

        Well you are supposedly doing a pretty good job of ‘exposing’ me now eh?

      • Mike Lau

        Settle down – no need to get so uptight —a spring will pop loose.

        When you get angry with people, the first person to suffer is yourself.

        Take it easy my brother.

        • Mergatroyd

          You being racially Chinese, how would you like it if your homeland were being inundated with millions of non-Chinese who were putting an end to your historic culture and your way of life? What if you woke up one morning and saw that the president of China was ethnically Pakistani? What if you suddenly found that the Chinese people are literally threatened with extinction through genetic annihilation? Can you even imagine that? That’s what we Europeans face.

          But you can’t sympathize, because this is not happening to you. Your race and your culture are secure. Ours is not. We Europeans are literally losing our nations and our identities, and people are actually cheering it on. They don’t do the same for any other race, just ours. Imagine patriotic Chinese in China being accused of “racism” and “intolerance” simply because they want to save their identity in the face of extinction. That wouldn’t happen, because there are is no War against Chinese, only against the White Race.

          We Whites are about 8-9% of the world’s population. Not only are we a minority in the world but we are poised to become minorities IN OUR OWN COUNTRIES within a few decades. This is being cheered by Whites and non-Whites, but this is not happening to your and your race, is it, it is happening to Whites and ONLY Whites.

          • Mike Lau

            Firstly you’ve got to get a few facts right. There are over a billion whites in the world, close to 1.3 billion I think. Almost as many whites as East Asians.

            Certainly more whites than blacks.

            Whites are bumping into other races simply because they have flung themselves to all four corners of the earth. The Americas, Australasia, Eastern Russia —-all lands non-white until very recently.

            99.9% of Chinese are in China. Are 99.9% of whites in Europe?

          • Mergatroyd

            You are simply wrong here.

          • Mike Lau

            This is being cheered by Whites and non-Whites, but this is not
            happening to your and your race, is it, it is happening to Whites and
            ONLY Whites.

            Actually many many Asian countries are as ethnically diverse, if not more so than the countries of Western Europe – -Malaysia, Indonesia, India, even China.

            And on average, African countries are the most diverse genetically —there was some study done on this not too long ago.

            In fact the United Kingdom is still pretty much white with at least 90 percent of the population white. Eastern Europe even more so.

          • Mergatroyd

            You obviously haven’t been to England lately. It is in NO WAY 90% White. Births in London alone are 80% non-White and Asians and blacks are being moved into the countryside to push aside Whites (government council housing favors non-White immigrants over White natives).

  • Beetlejuice

    It seems you have had a little bit too much of the political correct cool-aid. (History books written by marxist professors).

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      I am beginning to notice that every nonwhite group in the world has a movement going on where they write their own versions of history, trying to make it seem like they contributed just as much if not more to math and science as whites have.

      Indian schools are trying to teach their kids a version of history much more India-biased than even Bitbybit goes into. Thank goodness there are also sensible and honest historians in India who are trying to argue against it by showing evidence that the “science” that ancient Hindus created wasn’t anything like Western science. Just like “science” in all non-Western cultures, it was mythology based and tinged with superstition.

      • Mike Lau

        Not every non-white group. Every group writes history to suit itself and its own reputation.

    • JohnEngelman

      What did Bitbybit say that is not true?

      • Beetlejuice

        Not a one of them are among those considered the greatest mathematicians.

        He wishes to re-write and/or steal white knowledge and assign it to Indians.

        Just like you who can never admit anything great whites have accomplished like sending and returning men to the moon, or the computer system and electrical grid you — and babybit– are using right now to denigrate whites. We’re not using Indian-created technology now are we? In fact Indian-created technology has screwed up a lot of companies because it doesn’t work.

        Why don’t you and babybit give up all white creations for a few weeks and see how you like it since you both are anti-white. Or better yet, why don’t you go live in India for a while since they are oh-so-much more advanced than us whites.

        • JohnEngelman

          When you claim that I am “anti-white” you are projecting your bigotry onto me. I acknowledge the achievements of white Gentiles, and of other races too.

          I do not think the races are equal in native endowment.

          • Beetlejuice

            “Projecting.” I see you’ve fallen for the psyco-babble pushed by the mainstream press and academia. Go ahead and keep your eyes closed and pretend Whites aren’t losing their homelands or aren’t being genocided.

            Everyone: vote down and flag this post and any others by Engelman. He is a true enemy of the White Race.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am an enemy of race bigotry. I oppose those who build themselves up by tearing those of other races down.

  • JohnEngelman

    This is an excellent post. I literally laughed out loud when I read it.

  • Tinfoil A22hat

    I think everyone should just stick with their own. I’m tired of all this race b.s. I see no reason we can’t get along. It would be much easier to do at long distance, in my opinion. Wouldn’t hurt my feelings at all if Asians stop coming here. I won’t miss them.

    • JohnEngelman

      I sure would.

  • Tinfoil A22hat

    Accidental double post, pretty much, sorry.

  • Tinfoil A22hat

    Yeah America’s current economy, manufacturing and actually building vs. infotech., etc., it’s a whole ‘nother ball game, isn’t it? I think we could sort it out if we had the chance, but like you said, we are currently forced into a globalized world where our leaders are not even pretending to be interested in taking care of our own. Best wishes for you and yours my friend.

  • Tinfoil A22hat

    That would be wonderful. I prefer rural life and the less people around here the more space there is and that’s an improvement in my book.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    You obviously missed my point.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    What did I say to disagree with any of that?

  • Northerner

    Japan, South Korea, Taiwan/Republic of China, Singapore and Hong Kong are all developed first world countries or city-states. Their livability and productivity are on par with similarly sized European ones. The PRC stopped developing in tandem with Japan in the early 1900s, which explains why they’ve lagged behind and are currently modernizing. They thrive with the right infrastructure, political and intellectual environment.

    Asian-Americans are only 4% of the U.S. population (East Asians being 2% of that total). They don’t even appear in lots of surveys because their numbers are too few. Pick your battles.

  • Northerner

    Your post is flawed. International students from Asian countries aren’t the top performers; they’re mostly children of wealthy parents who can afford to send them abroad. The truly best of them managed to get into universities in their respective home country which are notoriously competitive with limited availability. I’ll also add that lots of the Asian-American students you see today are the first or second generations of their families in the U.S; not foreigners.

    • Evette Coutier

      Children of wealthy Asians are top performers who come from top financial families and superior intelligence. The did not get to be wealthy by being stupid. Moreover, many of the second and third generation Asians are the children of doctors and other highly educated and intelligent parent to begin with..

    • Sick of it

      What Asian-American students? Maybe this is a regional issue, because you don’t seem to understand that where I live, in Louisiana, there are almost no Asian Americans. The only Asian students were foreign students in the university I attended. In certain metropolitan areas of Texas, there are some Asian Americans, but I’d be willing to bet that most Asian college students are not American citizens there as well.

  • Herman

    I will admit that is the weak link in white peoples’ argument against affirmative action.
    Medical, legal schools etc. filled with Asian students.
    Of course if we just controlled our borders these endless problems wouldn’t keep coming up.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    You are starting a red herring argument which is pretty typical. I have yet to come across any Western historian who denies that India “invented” zero. This doesn’t take away from my original point, now does it?

  • Mike Lau

    In fact if you compare almost every significant indicator for health, wealth, societal well-being, levels of corruption and crime, the East Asian countries (or polities) of Singapore, Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea, and Taiwan, they are on a par with, if not objectively superior to most ‘white’ countries, and in vastly superior to the ‘whitest’ countries of Eastern Europe. It should be added that these East Asian countries achieved first world status in a very short period of time.

    Even China does not have anywhere near the vast levels of corruption of Russia, and has a far lower murder and violent crime rate. It should be remembered that China was basically under foreign occupation from 1840 to 1949, and in the 60 years since the revolution have developed at more rapid a pace than virtually any other country in history.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      You ignored his point about “why do Asians come to white societies at all?”.

      And I wonder how white countries would naturally stack up against those societies you list if they didn’t have third world immigrants holding them back.

      • Mike Lau

        Well the ‘whitest’ of ‘white’ countries are in Eastern Europe. They are not doing too well. Check out their levels of corruption. The Ukraine and Russia have far higher levels of corruption than even China.

        And what about Romania and Belarus —not a whole lot of third world immigrants in those places.

        Asians come to some white societies because at this point in history those white societies are still wealthier. That is the reason.
        That is why mainland Chinese have more urge to migrate than Japanese or Singaporeans.

        As Asia continues to develop, you will soon be begging for us to come over.

      • Evette Coutier

        Mike Lau’ s assessment is incorrect. He singles out financial incentive, but misses the greater cultural point that is the source of their failed economics. Asian societies did not really rapidly advance until they started adopting European and white social and economic practices. Their cultures are too repressive without western influence to be successful on a western scale. It is the pink elephant in the room for Asians.

        • Mike Lau

          There’s no elephant in the room. Chinese are fully cognizant of the fact that we have fallen behind over the past couple of centuries, and that there are historical and cultural reasons for this. That is why we were weak and allowed the West to beat us up for a century or so. Mao’s writings, and that of other communist leaders, say this themselves.

          But China has learned her lesson and will not let history repeat herself.

          IN 1840 China’s had one third of world GDP, easily outstripping all of Europe and the America’s combined. That is what attracted whites to China in the first place —-to get their hands on this wealth.

          Now China is clawing her way back up, and in a few decades will rightfully assume her former preeminence in world affairs.

          I’m afraid that’s not going to go down too well with a lot of whites here —-that’s just too bad.

    • Sick of it

      I have a relative who is helping to develop your country right now. Too bad it’s an apparently thankless job.

      • Mike Lau

        Don’t worry —whites are more than adequately compensated for their time in China —they are a privileged spoilt elite over there.

    • Tinfoil A22hat

      Where do you get your info on China? Oh that’s right, from China, that bastion of truth and champion of human rights. You might as well depend on the Today show to keep you informed on current events. Meh you are a tiresome little drone and I’m through annoying myself by reading your posts.

      • Mike Lau

        Look up the world corruption perceptions indices. Considered to be the authoritative standard for comparing corruption across nations.

        China is quite a safe country to live in —-as anyone, local or expat will attest to.

        Unless you have some information that tells me otherwise.

        • Tinfoil A22hat

          Corruption “perception” indicies? That’s hilarious. Next you’ll be telling me the U.N. is the most potent arbitration and enforcement power in the world.
          How are human rights being enjoyed in China these days? Do they now include at least a pretense for chucking citizens into their execution vans before harvesting their organs?

          • Mike Lau

            China executes about 3000 people per year. That is an execution rate of about one in half a million per year. So executions are obviously used incredibly sparingly.

            The incarceration rate is about 1/7th that of the US.

            I have lived all over the world. I feel as free in China as anywhere else, if not more so.

  • Mike Lau

    This is a ridiculous post. When IQ tests are used to ‘prove’ the supposed ‘inferiority’ of blacks and Hispanics viz-a-viz whites, they are a rock solid method of measuring intelligence. Yet when it comes to Asians, many whites then try to squirm out of it and say the tests don’t really matter.

    As for East Asians in the United States, many of the native born ones are descended from railway workers and coolies. Likewise the Japanese. Yet these groups do equally as well, if not better than fresh-off-the-boat migrants. There is a heap of research about this, you can find it on the internet yourself.

    Furthermore researchers such as Lynn and Rushton have made it clear that the average 105 or 106 IQ for East Asians is valid for the entire countries of China, Japan, the Koreas, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore etc, not just for an elite part of those populations.

    • Evette Coutier

      In no way did I suggest that Asians don’t score higher. In fact I noted they did. The 5 point average own difference does not fully account for the difference in SAT scores. Moreover, there are other areas of cognitive ability that we don’t measure. For all we know, Asians may score even higher on those tests. They may not. We cannot know the answer until those tests are conducted. What is important here is intellectual honesty. Aptitudes are genetic and often racial. If Asians have generally stronger math abilities, the deserve a stronger representation in science. If Europeans show stronger verbal skills, the greater representation in literature is appropriate.

      That you said that whites try to squirm out of test scores is a generalization that is not good for honest discussion. Intelligence has many components and genetic as well as environmental factors. Tests are a critical element to understanding ability, but there are other factors that reasonable people also consider.

    • JohnEngelman

      I like you Mike. Send me an e-mail message some time.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    Good points Evette. And have you ever noticed how, when it comes to international test rankings by country, they always include the wealthiest parts of China as opposed to China as a whole? I never thought that was fair at all. Well, it isn’t a matter of how I feel about it, it just isn’t fair, plain and simple. In fact, I just looked this up while typing. I just came across a ranking that has “countries” listed such as Macau (China) and Hong Kong (China). Makes no sense whatsoever.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    As a white woman, I resent the way white men have been treated, and most white women need to realize that discrimination against white men negatively impacts them also. I really think a large percentage of white women are on the side of their men. From personal experience, I can tell you how much I resent having to work, and how much I would love to be able to do what God intended me to do as a woman.

    • Mike Lau

      You are attractive enough. Find an Asian man who is wealthy enough to support you, and you can have lovely bi-racial children with him.

  • Evette Coutier

    The answer to this is well documented. Asians are very bright but do less well in creativity and original thought. A review, for example, of Nobelaurits by nation will bear this out. To answer your question, why do they come here has also been studied. Asian countries tend to be politically and culturally repressive. Many Asians seek to escape this in their own societies. Strict cultural norms are common among Asians, and the tendency towards group identity is a key factor in their delayed advancements. The fact that they are so strongly law abiding by nature has been a factor in their cultural advancement. We have more rule breakers if you will, more individualism that drives our willingness to go outside the box than Asians. They skyrocketed culturally when they mixed the Asian discipline and intelligence with white innovation.

  • Sick of it

    Aryabhatta, to whom you constantly point, was most likely a white man. Archaeological work performed in India has shown how the population changed over time as the vedic caste system broke down.

  • Sick of it

    Take a good look at the basic stock in some of those countries. Compare to racially mixed people.

  • Sick of it

    South Korea does pretty well. Otherwise, I agree completely.

  • Mike Lau

    Was it that “selfless helpfulness” of whites that helped themselves to China’s wealth for over a century?

    • Sick of it

      The British got the money. We Americans are funneling China money and technology. I’m feeling ripped off.

  • Chris Granzow XI

    If one of the Ivy League schools became all-white, it would no doubt become the top school in the nation. Asians have a high average IQ, but are definitely not perfect. It’s difficult to label their limits and shortcomings coherently. Strictly when it comes to economics and inventions: there is no innovation, dynamism, or creativity. Google “chinese dream.” The new president of China, President Xi Jinping, copied “the American Dream” verbatim, and re-branded it as “the Chinese Dream” to market it to his own people. When they started doing “communism with Chinese characteristics” back in the day, all their ideas were taken from influential Marxist thinkers from Paris, Berlin and Moscow. You’ll even hear a lot of Asian-Americans cry racism like black people, saying word-for-word what blacks say, but replacing “black” with “asian.” They have a high average IQ, but a low standard deviation; meaning everybody is just slightly above average intelligence and that’s it. Verbal reasoning and emotional intelligence are low. This results in good test takers and homework completers, but doesn’t translate into much after college. They run into what many asian-americans are starting to call “the bamboo ceiling.”

    • Evette Coutier

      Excellent response.

    • Mike Lau

      “They have a high average IQ, but a low standard deviation”

      There is no evidence for that. Or do you have some you would like to share with the rest of us?

  • BaronBaal

    I have lived with and worked with and around East Asians for over 10 years and I’m one of the more affluent people in the community- more affluent, in fact, than 90% of all the Chinese working and living around me. I must be doing something right, no? And here’s a news bulletin for you: Whites are NOT stupid. The IQ advantage East Asians supposedly have over whites is very slight- if it exists at all. Yes, we know you love your buddies Lynn and Rushton, but their research, when put under scrutiny, has been found to be quite flawed as both enjoyed cherry-picking their data…

  • BaronBaal

    Even if what you say is true to some degree then you have to ask yourself why prospered and became so powerful aver the course of the last 2+ centuries. You have to ask yourself how white influence, worldwide, is so staggering. You’ll have to ask yourself about the incredible advances that whites have made in the sciences and other technological areas while the Asians lagged (and in many cases still lag) so far behind. Instead of constantly bringing up minor IQ differences between whites and Asians, you’d be better off explaining to the people on this website the near total dominance that whites have had over the entire world for so long.

  • Luca

    If we were not in Europe what would have happened? If we were not in Japan and Korea what would have happened? If we did not back Taiwan, what would have happened?

    Would the world be a better place if Europe, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan were all communist? Communism, like Islam is a doctrine of One World Order.

    How do you like their record on freedom, liberty, private property, human rights, etc. etc?

    • Mike Lau

      Actually the communist record is pretty good if you consider improvements in literacy, life expectancy, economic and industrial progress, and the propelling of two large formerly backward countries to superpower status within just a few decades, and without having to invaded and suppress other people in order to steal resources.

      • Mergatroyd

        There is no defense of bloodthirsty communist strong- man dictators, especially Mao.

        *35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
        *10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime

        Mao’s famine, 1958-1962: 38,000,000.

        What a price to pay for literacy, increase in life expectancy (from clean water, sewage systems and antibiotics, White creations, BTW), backwards commie economics and “industrial” progress.

        Like good old “Uncle Joe” Stalin, Roosevelt’s buddy said: You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.”

        Right, comrade?

        • Mike Lau

          You might be right about the Nationalist regime, but Western imperialism killed far more than what you have even asserted for socialism.

          The numbers you present are bogus (lifted from Rummel, I assume). I can’t be bothered explaining why, because I get the impression that you could not care less for Chinese lives anyway.

          Rummel is right on one thing though – at least 50 million murdered by the Western imperialists in just the 20th century alone.

          “These colonizers turned Africa into one giant gulag, with each colony being like a separate camp.”, Rudy Rummel

          • Mike Lau

            As for Stalin, I agree with Putin’s view (refer recent interview of his on Russia Today), that although he was a dictator, he would never have used atomic weapons on defenseless civilians, as white Americans did (in the same interview Putin pointed out the unprecedented and unique genocide of the Native Americans).

            And his crimes don’t compare with US crimes. Putin quoted verbatim:

            “In any event, we have never used nuclear weapons against civilians, and we have never dumped chemicals on thousands of kilometers of land or dropped more bombs on a tiny country than were dropped during the entire Second World War, as was the case in Vietnam.”

        • Mike Lau

          As for Stalin, I agree with Putin’s view (refer recent interview of his on Russia Today) that although he was a dictator, he would never have used atomic weapons on defenseless civilians, as white Americans did (in the same interview Putin pointed out the unprecedented and unique genocide of the Native Americans).

          And his crimes don’t compare with US crimes.

          Putin quoted verbatim:

          “In any event, we have never used nuclear weapons against civilians, and we have never dumped chemicals on thousands of kilometers of land or dropped more bombs on a tiny country than were dropped during the entire Second World War, as was the case in Vietnam.”

          • Mergatroyd

            Agreed. But then the U.S. is not longer controlled by White Americans. It is controlled by Jews. They own the government, media and academia from top to bottom. All wars fought in the Middle East are to make Israel safe, not the U.S. We have lost our country because our enemies have exploited our weaknesses. They have pried open our borders to the 3rd World and are busy wresting our homelands away from us Whites in the U.S., Canada, Australia, and Europe.
            A Chinese poster told me that the Chinese told me Jews have tried to infiltrate the Chinese government but the Chinese have seen and well know what these infiltrators have done to America and Europe and are onto them.

            As for the Native Americans — Every nation on earth was founded by conquest, genocide and dispossession of the aboriginal inhabitants.

            And if you think one genocide deserves another, are you advocating eliminating any non-white groups from the Earth for what they`ve done throughout history, or are you ONLY justifying the genocide of Whites based on one-sided history? 

            If you’d like to talk about China’s invasion of Tibet (which the UN calls “genocide”) or Japan’s horrendous colonial history, I’m all ready to do that.
             

  • Mike Lau

    An IQ difference of 2-5 DOES NOT explain the massive over representation in high level universities and fields by Asians

    You obviously utterly unfamiliar with normal distribution theory (the IQ gap by the way is about 5 points – refer research by Lynn and Rushton, also summarized by your own Mr Taylor).

    • HJ11

      Lau, shouldn’t you be starching shirts of something? Isn’t there a Chinese site you can visit to talk about rice paddies and things like that?

  • BaronBaal

    No, I do not accept the authority of Rushton or Lynn and I am not alone because most of academia doesn’t either. As I tried to explain to you earlier, both Rushton and Lynn loved to cherry-pick their data and as far as their studies of East Asian IQ they both habitually got their data from elitist East Asian schools but I can even look beyond that and say that most East Asians (Read: Chinese students and other East Asians outside of the urban areas) aren’t even tested for IQ but you either ignore this or are ignorant of this. And besides, the overall East Asian IQ is only 2 or 3 points higher than the average white IQ and that’s insignificant as far as I’m concerned. And what about the global Western domination we have experienced for so long? That wouldn’t likely not have occurred if whites were dummies and Ease Asians were so super smart. You come off as being a bit smug in your beliefs and immature. You need to grow up.

    • JohnEngelman

      No, I do not accept the authority of Rushton or Lynn and I am not alone because most of academia doesn’t either.

      – BaronBaal

      Most of academia does not accept the findings of Rushton or Lynn because those findings reveal that blacks average low IQ’s. You reject the findings because they reveal that Orientals have high IQ’s.

      There is a difference between race realism, which I agree with, and white supremacy, which I do not agree with.

      Ashkenazi Jews average higher IQ’s than Orientals, who average higher IQ’s than white Gentiles of European origins. Those facts are not in serious dispute.

      • BaronBaal

        1) I’m not rejecting anything- I’m opining that you and your buddies Rushton and Lynn rely on very questionable data when it comes to East Asian IQ and the data that you 3 clowns use to prove your point of Asia intellectual supremacy isn’t indicative of East Asian intelligence as a whole. No doubt I’m quite a bit smarter than your average white but I’ve lived in Asia almost half my life and I just don’t see this Asian IQ supremacy that you are always raving about. East Asians are by no means dummies but neither are whites. I particularly like your opinion that Askenazi Jews are the most intelligent people on the planet. Yeah, that’s a real gem for sure, lol, but too bad it’s not true…

    • JohnEngelman

      what about the global Western domination we have experienced for so long? That wouldn’t likely not have occurred if whites were dummies and Ease Asians were so super smart.

      – BaronBaal

      Civilizations rise and fall. Which direction is Western Civilization moving in? Which direction is Oriental Civilization moving in?

      • BaronBaal

        Neither are moving in any particular direction, dummy, and if you understood global economics you’d understand perfectly what I’m getting at. The West isn’t going to decline as much as you’d like it to and the East isn’t going to prosper as much as you would like it to.

    • JohnEngelman

      You come off as being a bit smug in your beliefs and immature. You need to grow up.

      – BaronBaal

      If I may say so, I am too mature to descend to silly insults.

  • Mergatroyd

    You are wrong.
    Been to Ireland lately? Greece? I have. Both are being overrun with Africans, especially Greece.

    As for Eastern Europe, they also are starting to feel the effects of 3rd world migration and the U.N. is putting tremendous pressure on them to accept 3rd world Africans.

    You present a very poor justification for the genocide of whites. But I’ll give you a chance to redeem yourself: which Asian or African country would you like to see flooded with non-Asians or non-Africans and the natives forced to integrate, assimilate and produce children with the immigrants?

    Section C of the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:
    ( c ) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    Section C applies to what anti-whites are doing to my race:
    Flooding our countries with non-whites, force integrating our communities, encouraging us to blend ourselves out of existence and attacking anyone who opposes these things are imposing conditions of life calculated to bring about the physical destruction of my race. It’s genocide.

    If I hated a race, I might campaign to flood all of their countries with millions of people that are not their race, and tell everyone to “mix in”, until no people of that kind were left. If anyone objected, I would scream racissstttt! at them and get them fired from their jobs.
    If I hated a certain race, I might do that. But I am not doing that. Anti-whites like you are doing it to White people in all White countries and only White countries.

    More and more Whites ARE waking up and noticing that there IS a White genocide going on as their cities, neighborhoods and schools are flooded with the most depraved, backwards peoples of the 3rd world by a hostile, alien U.S., British, Australian government.

  • JohnEngelman

    An IQ difference of 2-5 DOES NOT explain the massive over representation in high level universities and fields by Asians. What does explain it is the push from Tiger Moms who force their kids into the test/grades culture.

    – Sam

    Orientals tend not only to be more intelligent than white Gentiles, they tend to work harder. You hold that against them. I admire them for those reasons.

    • BaronBaal

      You’re one of those intellectual lazy ones who likes to admire from a distance because that’s easy. Go live with the East Asians like I did and that’s when the real learning begins. And what did I find? I found that people are just people, and you’ve got your dumb, lazy East Asians just like you’ve got your dumb, lazy whites.

    • Le Fox

      East Asians may have higher average IQ, but this doesn’t account regional differences nor the diminished bell curve past their 105 IQ. Whites have a greater bell curve in the genius regions, and were it not for immigration, whites would have a higher average IQ than Asians.

      As for the “work harder” comment, I disagree. Do explain their cheating, and perhaps that explains their accomplishments.

      • JohnEngelman

        Attributing superior Oriental performance on cheating is like attributing inferior black performance on white racism.

  • JohnEngelman

    According to the Pew Research Center, in 2010 the median household income for Asians in the United States was $66,000. For whites it was $54,000.

  • JohnEngelman

    Mike Lau is here because a race realist.

    The best explanation of race realism I have read was written by Professor J. Philippe Rushton, who spoke at six American Renaissance conferences. This is what he has to say about innate racial differences in his “RACE, EVOLUTION, AND BEHAVIOR:”

    Modern science shows a three-way pattern of race differences in both physical traits and behavior. On average, Orientals are slower to mature, less fertile, less sexually active, less aggressive, and have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole. Whites fall in the middle, but closer to Orientals than to Blacks…

    Race differences start in the womb. Blacks are born earlier and grow quicker than Whites and Orientals. The three-way race pattern occurs in milestones such as sexual maturity, family stability, crime rates, and population growth…

    IQ tests measure intelligence and predict real life success. The races differ in brain size and on IQ tests. On average Orientals
    have the largest brains and highest IQs. Blacks average the lowest, and Whites fall in between. The brain size differences explain the IQ differences both within groups and between groups

  • PepsPersson

    When all comes around people tend not like meritocracy in certain situations. In an economy with low unemployment and opportunities meritocracy is seldom criticized. In the 1980 the average college graduate in accounting would apply for one hundred junior accounting positions and get twenty interviews and would get a few offers. Within a couple of months the average college graduate would be doing accounting at a small
    town firm making a decent living. She or he would not make it “big” but she or he would get married, a raise a few children, own a car and a small house.

    Today, it is another story. The average graduate would apply for one thousand positions
    under a year or two and end up in retail or a call center making minimum wage. Currently, the market is so competitive that the top twenty percent will end up having a career with little struggle and the rest will struggle. The small family owned small town accounting firm once had a twenty applicants for each junior positions now have two hundred applicants.

    When the unemployment rate is so high and unforgiving we end up having accountants with a P.HD and three years experience doing work that the average college accountant
    could do almost straight out of school. When you look at the average college class in
    accounting you know that at least twenty percent of them will never get that job at the small town accounting firm so they will never enter the middle class. When you look at a class of tradesman you know that few of them will make it “big” but so long they do not
    end up drinking all of them will be employed earning around the same amount as that
    average college accountant in the 80s. Skilled workers straight of trade school are actually better because of the work opportunities than college graduates.

    I do not think all these white average middle class people that struggled to go through
    college will be happy about their future when their labor is just as easy to obtain as cheap unskilled labor from the slums of Beijing.

  • prunepit

    Meritocracy makes sense in a racially-homogeneous society but technical skill exercised in a culture that is racially foreign is often unbalanced, alienated and rarely results in creativity.

  • Mergatroyd

    You poor thing.

    This a SILLY post written by a brainwashed revisionist who’s drunk too much Kool-aid. You need to go back to your anti-white revisionists and ask for your money back.

    Maybe when you get well you can tell us how your anti-White handlers brainwashed you into hating Whites and believing anti-White re-written history.

    May God have mercy on your soul, LOL.

  • Mergatroyd

    Thank you, Friend. I’ve been fighting this for years on anti-white, and worse, pro-white sites. The mods let them blather on with their half-truths, revisionist histories and falsehoods which they hone into weapons to be used against the white race. Meanwhile, like you stated, my pro-white race posts are deleted yet their white-bashing posts are left to stand.
    Then they can’t understand why people flee or quit donating.
    I don’t come here to be belittled and be subjected to anti-white screeds from white hating asian supremacists but a lot of that seems to go on here.

    We are losing our country and homelands and anti-whites like them cheer it on. Is there anything more evil than wishing for the destruction of an entire race of people? But that’s what they’re doing, besides stealing our technology, land and history and claiming is their own.

  • Mergatroyd

    “asians don’t benefit from any affirmative action.”…Here we go again !

    Huh, yes they do. Ethnic filipinos, vietnamese, cambodians, and pacific islanders get plenty of direct AA for college admissions while east asians get plenty of scholarships just because of their race, unlike any White student:

    http://www.scholarships dot com/fi…

    Moreover, ALL asians benefit from affirmative action just because of their race in GOVERNMENT OUTREACH CAMPAIGNS, TRAINING PROGRAMS, JOB RECRUITMENT, MANAGEMENT DEVELOPMENT, FEDERAL CONTRACTS as well as from all federal contractors and subcontractors.

    Whites, especially White men who aren’t veterans or disabled, get none of these racial quotas, and it’s about time that this recurring myth that “asians don’t benefit from any affirmative action” dies on Amren once and for all.

  • Mergatroyd

    Thread winner Joseph.

  • gemjunior

    I know, I’m so exhausted with people having to jump in and defend every other group. That’s the reason for our trouble in the first place . White people have had and continue to exhibit a desire to be unfailingly fair to each and every other race. It’s like I’m always hearing “Awww, go easy on them” when white people are discussing others. But when discussing their own, themselves, and each other it is just merciless ripping on each other and tearing each other down. So tiresome. Who cares about how smart Chinese are, and how great it is that blacks play such great sports. If you’re virtually a useless burden in every other way, having fast reflexes doesn’t do much to redeem you IMO. WE are the ones who are the most important and to one another, ought always to be the most important. Let’s talk about how great our own ancestors were, then where we went wrong and dropped the ball and what we need to do to proliferate in numbers, take control once again of the country our white ancestors built, and carve out a permanent niche where we will always be safe enough to thrive and where we will have enough influence and common sense to throw out or stop anyone from gaining enough power to ever harm our interests again.

  • Mergatroyd

    You post is SILLY and CHILDISH. I see you are a victim of one-sided Marxist history that assigns White innovation — like the Gutenberg printing press and mass production of paper — to Asians or other non-Whites.

    LOL. Enjoy your non-White world.

  • Jesse_from_Sweden

    Filipinos does better?

    Oh well.
    As for indians and iranians, the reason is fairly simple.

    The indians that come tends to be the ones who are educated, in other words they are not a very good representative of indians in general but should be compared with US university graduates for a more fair comparison.

    As for iranians, most iranians in the west came from the exodus of christian iranians that fled after the islamic revolution, these tended to be educated middle-class people, again not very representative for the iranian population as a whole.