Blacks Benefit from Florida ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law at Disproportionate Rate

Patrick Howley, Daily Caller, July 16, 2013

African Americans benefit from Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law at a rate far out of proportion to their presence in the state’s population, despite an assertion by Attorney General Eric Holder that repealing “Stand Your Ground” would help African Americans.

Black Floridians have made about a third of the state’s total “Stand Your Ground” claims in homicide cases, a rate nearly double the black percentage of Florida’s population. The majority of those claims have been successful, a success rate that exceeds that for Florida whites.

Nonetheless, prominent African Americans including Holder and “Ebony and Ivory” singer Stevie Wonder, who has vowed not to perform in the Sunshine State until the law is revoked, have made “Stand Your Ground” a central part of the Trayvon Martin controversy.

Holder, who was pressured by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and other progressive groups to open a civil rights case against acquitted neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman in the 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Martin, criticized Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law in a speech Tuesday before the NAACP.

The law was not invoked by Zimmerman’s defense team but was included in instructions to the jury.

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But approximately one third of Florida “Stand Your Ground” claims in fatal cases have been made by black defendants, and they have used the defense successfully 55 percent of the time, at the same rate as the population at large and at a higher rate than white defendants, according to a Daily Caller analysis of a database maintained by the Tampa Bay Times.  Additionally, the majority of victims in Florida “Stand Your Ground” cases have been white.

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One hundred thirty three people in the state of Florida have used a “Stand Your Ground” defense. Of these claims, 73 were considered “justified” (55 percent), while 39 resulted in criminal convictions and 21 cases are still pending.

Forty four African Americans in the state of Florida have claimed a “Stand Your Ground” defense. Of these claims, 24 were considered “justified” (55 percent), while 11 resulted in convictions and nine cases are still pending.

Of the 76 white people who have used the defense, 40 were considered “justified” (less than 53 percent), while 25 were convicted and 11 cases are still pending.

Ten Hispanics have used the defense, seven of them successfully, according to the database, which included George Zimmerman as a “Stand Your Ground” defendant.

Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” cases have resulted in 78 white victims against 40 black victims, including Martin, and 10 Hispanic victims.

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  • If Holder drags SYG states into court for disparate impact, this is how they’ll be able to respond. Except SCOTUS is taking up the very issue of disparate impact in general in the 2013-2014 term; if they find the way I hope they do, then all disparate impact suits, from potentially this to police/fire entrance/promotion tests, are kaput.

    Really, it makes sense that blacks disproportionately benefit from that which disproportionately cracks down on black crime, as most crime is B-on-B.

  • The__Bobster

    Nonetheless, prominent African Americans including Holder and “Ebony and Ivory” singer Stevie Wonder, who has vowed not to perform in the Sunshine State until the law is revoked, have made “Stand Your Ground” a central part of the Trayvon Martin controversy.
    __________

    Just fly his blind ass into Florida and tell him he’s in New York. Could he really tell the difference?

    • Q. Why does Stevie Wonder smile all the time?
      A. Because he doesn’t know he’s black.

      Unfortunately, it appears someone finally told him.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    “Nonetheless, prominent African Americans including Holder and “Ebony and Ivory” singer Stevie Wonder, who has vowed not to perform in the Sunshine State until the law is revoked, have made “Stand Your Ground” a central part of the Trayvon Martin controversy.”
    Holder – constitutional law expert it appears…
    Idiot. At least he’s got Stevie Wonder to help.

    • Stevie Wonder doesn’t have much choice. Most states have SYG and/or CD of some sort, and New York City has SQF.

  • Creepy as a cracker!

    I am a Florida resident. I have a concealed weapons permit. I really do not care about SYG laws. I avoid blacks where ever and whenever possible. In fact, if I had an issue with any black, I would attempt to retreat. If retreat was not an option, then and only then would I use deadly physical force. I also know that if I do, I will likely be jailed, It will bankrupt me, I will be vilified in the media. I will be publically persecuted. I do not have minority privilege.

    • Most of us avoid conflict to the extent we can. The time and expense of dealing with the resulting legal entanglements are major issues. I work out of the house and am a stay-at-home dad; my wife would be missing the money I bring in, the work on our vehicles and household repairs I do, and of course daycare for our daughter, if I was arrested.

      That said, someone breaking into our house – or even attempting to do – so would be a completely different matter.

    • bigone4u

      Yes, every race realist ought to have a retreat mindset. As you say, the cost of a good criminal defense attorney will likely bankrupt you if you are charged with murder. Public defenders are not really an option if you have the money to mount a good defense.

    • MBlanc46

      Very good advice and very well put.

  • John Smith

    When I look at the evidence, in my opinion Eric Holder has been behaving in a racist manner against whites and in a politically corrupt manner against conservatives.

    I read that Eric Holder has been trolling through Zimmerman’s emails looking for evidence that he is a racist so he can lodge a case against Zimmerman.
    Which, of course, means that we are all racists in Eric Holder’s mind (but not in reality) simply for posting here.

    When government career bureaucrats act in a prejudiced manner using what is supposed to be non-partisan non-biased government power against other races and political parties with prejudice to accomplish their political ends we really are no better than when we were under monarchy. Eric’s behavior, imo, undermines our entire political system.

    • bigone4u

      It would not surprise me to learn that there is a federal agency, The National Anti-Racism Agency (NARA), that montors the web and has dossiers on all of us who comment. As you suggest, we are not racists, but we prefer to live in reality since reality has consequences.

      • John Smith

        If so, taxpayer money is being grossly misspent. I’m about as loyal American apple pie and red, white, and blue as it gets. The bureaucratic sprawl of government and the distortion that’s occurring in our own away from the principles it was founded on is evident. The money’s going to run out someday. I’m picking $50 trillion in debt as very roughly the point the dollar finally starts to crash and the world dumps it as the defacto currency of choice. Let’s hope reform follows. The alternatives are not pleasant to contemplate.

      • Earl Turner

        They do. I’ve already had a “visit” by a state law enforcement agency on some trumped up charges. They visited at my work and took the time to go tell my boss that I’m a racist. Nothing was found on the computer I supply out of my own pocket at work. I offered to let them use my spare key to go search my computer at home and they declined. It was nothing but a heavy-handed intimidation tactic intended to scare me into shutting up. It didn’t work.

        • bigone4u

          A very telling story. However, a criminal defense attorney would advise you to make them get a warrant to look at your computer. I hope your boss doesn’t hold the “visit” against you.

          • CSPD city police pounded on our door shortly after last November’s election, late – after our lights were off, and when I opened up for them, they demanded I come outside. I snarled “Noooo” with as much feeling as I could manage. One demanded I turn around, and again I said “No”, but I showed them my hands were empty. They couldn’t see in, because Sayaka and I had left the interior lights off; very bright ones come on out over the front porch whenever a motion sensor is tripped.

            They left with no explanation, and there were six of them.

          • Earl Turner

            bigone, he was mad about it but saw it for what it was and I still have my job.

        • MBlanc46

          That is definitely worrying.

  • sbuffalonative

    When Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, Trayvon was exercising his rights of self-defense and stand your ground.

    This is one (of many) cases where blacks don’t think things through.

    If they do away with stand your ground and self-defense, they will lose their right to these defenses if they are threatened or attacked by real-life racists.

    • MikeofAges

      Actually, in their first contact, Zimmerman broke off contact and Martin left the location of that contact. A short time later, Martin returned to near the location of Zimmerman’s vehicle and attacked Zimmerman. Or at least that is the claim Zimmerman made. That’s a crazy thing to do, but teenagers are pretty crazy sometimes. So are adults, you know.

      There are animations on you tube showing the various scenarios. One in particular shows the movements of both Martin and Zimmerman through the housing complex. Apparently it is accurate up to the point of their first contact. After that, what happened is in dispute.

      Zimmerman happened to catch sight of Martin just at the time he jumped a fence to get into the complex. That set off Zimmerman’s suspicions and he started following Martin around. After seeing the animations, I think Zimmerman’s behavior could rightly could be called “creepy”, but if Martin attacked Zimmerman then Zimmerman had the right of self defense. Apparently, Zimmerman waited some time hoping the police would show up and only used his weapon when Martin made a credible threat to kill him.

      The problem with all of this is that Zimmerman was not just a pedestrian out for a walk. He was trying to make a name for himself in law enforcement and did things no normal person would do, without even a security guard’s badge and uniform. Ask me, the neighborhood watch concept has some serious flaws.

      • John Smith

        Good post. I would say; however, that neighborhood watches have done 99% good and 1% harm. I shudder to think of the number of crimes that would have been committed and gotten away with had there been no neighborhood watch programs.

        • MikeofAges

          I have been the victim of neighborhood watch meltdowns. The most recent was when I went to visit a former landlord. He had not arrived home when I got there. I had difficulty getting a cell signal in that area and walked around to different locations looking for a signal. Then I left the neighborhood. When I determined that he was home and returned I saw a police car on station watching the entrance to the area. I was not contacted by them, perhaps because they recognized my car, but I later found out that there had been a crime committed by an older white male only several miles far away. The problem with neighborhood watch is that it relies on the suspicions of untrained people with no communication skills and no skills as observers. They eventually found the suspect they were looking for, but who knows I could have ended up accused of a crime I did not commit or had some other negative outcome. I don’t do anything that would make the police want to contact me, and I don’t want any contact with them. The outcome of it can be at best neutral.

          Not a joke. No, I don’t think the ratio is 99 to 1. Neighborhood watch needs a redo. Look what happened with George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman apparently was legally not guilty of what he was charged with and was found so in a court of law, but he sure made a mess of things. Didn’t he?

          • John Smith

            The neighborhood watch area I live in has an orderly structure with a duly elected black captain, engages in education with the residents on a regular basis, and works closely with the local police department. They “observe and report.” They do not take the law into their own hands nor engage in foolishness. The number of crimes they have prevented is enormous. This is primarily because about one quarter of a mile down the hill is an illegal alien sanctuary ghetto. Before the neighborhood watch program, there were assaults and robberies on a regular basis occurring. There were home invasions, break-ins, and Hispanics trolling the neighborhoods late at night robbing and stealing autos with wanton abandon. It was brought to a screeching halt within the first year of the neighborhood watch program. It’s quiet here now. You can walk the streets at night and kids can play ball in the street again. Occasionally some teens will go on a rampage but they are quickly rounded up. The last case was four black gang teens driving around in a automobile shooting out store and automobile windows. They blasted the drivers side window out of my truck, in fact. Thanks to the quick actions of the neighborhood watch, they were caught after only three store windows and five automobile windows and successfully prosecuted (the video evidence collected by neighborhood watch residents was instrumental). I had to spend an hour vacuuming glass off my floor and buy a new windows but that’s nothing compared to the chaos that used to reign here.

  • bigone4u

    Isn’t it amazing that libtards ALWAYS ignore the facts that do not fit their agenda.

    • JohnEngelman

      That is not an exclusively liberal characteristic. It is characteristic of anyone with stronger emotions than mental processes.

      • bigone4u

        The old left brain vs. right brain conflict. As I recall, the left side of the brain is the logical side. I’m not Mr. Spock from Star Trek but that’s the side of my brain I prefer.

  • Romulus

    If the stand your ground law gets repealed, IT WILL inadvertently hurt blacks.
    What’s the problem?

  • IstvanIN

    Why does everything have to be framed in terms of how it does or does not affect blacks? We should base a laws, rules and regulations on right and wrong. Who cares if stand your ground does or does not disproportionately affect blacks? No one should have to stand for being beaten or killed. Period. In addition, and I hear this every morning on the radio, the host has to emphasize that Zimmerman was not a racist. So what? So, if someone hates blacks but causes them no harm, and then a black attacks them, they have no right to self-defense because they were “racist”? What in heavens name does one’s opinion have to do with their right of self-defense? It should have NO bearing whatsoever.

    Holder should have been ousted the first time he made his “my people” comment. he has proven over and over again he is no different than Julius Malema. The Republicans should have asked for his head a long time ago. A white he made a much more innocent statement would have been driven out of office.

  • Johnny Squire

    -“Ten Hispanics have used the defense, seven of them successfully, according to the database, which included George Zimmerman as a “Stand Your Ground” defendant.”

    This story needs correcting. Zimmerman never used the Stand Your Ground law as a defense. Stand Your Ground did not apply to Zimmerman’s case.

  • Alexandra1973

    I’m guessing that to blacks “stand your ground” means “protect your turf from the other gang.”