Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal Immigrants Should Be Allowed to Obtain Legal Status

Rosalind S. Helderman, Washington Post, March 19, 2013

The dramatic shift in the Republican Party on immigration continued Tuesday, as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), a conservative tea party icon and possible 2016 presidential contender, endorsed an overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws that would allow the nation’s estimated 11 million illegal immigrants to obtain legalized status.

“Immigration will not occur until conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. That’s why I’m here today: to begin that conversation and become part of the solution,” he said in a breakfast speech Tuesday morning before the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in Washington.

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He made his comments a day after the Republican National Committee released a somber autopsy of the GOP’s November election losses. It called for the party to embrace and champion an overhaul of the immigration system as its only hope to appeal to a growing bloc of Hispanic voters.

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The Kentucky senator outlined a path to legalization that would be more demanding than the principles advanced by a bipartisan group of senators who aim to introduce legislation in April. {snip}

Paul also called for expanding legal immigration—not a universally held position in the Republican Party. {snip}

Paul said he sought to turn illegal immigrants into taxpayers, which could ultimately lead to their becoming citizens. Despite early reports that he would endorse a pathway to citizenship in the speech, however, he did not specifically address the citizenship issue.

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Paul said he would want Congress to be involved in certifying that border security has improved sufficiently to open the legalization path, a requirement that many immigrant advocates are sure to oppose as unnecessarily injecting politics into the process.

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He suggested that within two years, illegal immigrants should be able to seek temporary worker visas that would allow them to live and work in the United States without fear of deportation.

Many news outlets, including The Washington Post, had reported that Paul would back a “path to citizenship” in his speech to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. Those reports started circulating Monday evening, when the Associated Press obtained an advance copy of Paul’s remarks.

“The AP story was wrong, which spurred a lot of erroneous reports,” Paul’s office said in a statement. “He does not mention ‘path to citizenship’ in his speech at all.”

One Paul adviser told The Post that the path Paul is endorsing does not make it any easier to attain citizenship than current law allows.

“They would get into the back of the line and get no special privileges to do so,” said the adviser, who was not authorized to comment publicly. “What his plan is extending to them is a quicker path to normalization, not citizenship, and being able to stay, work and pay taxes legally.”

Later Tuesday, Paul attempted to clarify his position on the citizenship question. “I didn’t use the word citizenship at all this morning,” he said. “Basically what I want to do is to expand the worker visa program, have border security and then as far as how people become citizens, there already is a process for how people become citizens. The main difference is I wouldn’t have people be forced to go home. You’d just get in line. But you get in the same line everyone is in.”

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  • David Ashton

    A “line” that gets longer and longer.

  • bigone4u

    I want to like Rand Paul but he just keeps making it harder and harder. Is there anyone in DC willing to stand up and say, “Go home, amigos.”

    • tickyul

      Rand is slowly but surely becoming just another Republirat-Phonycon.

      • Der Typ

        I’m afraid you’re right. I was hopeful a couple years ago but he seems to be much more aware of political correctness and is willing to play the game. That is a great skill in a politician who wants to achieve the most power in Washington, but I was hoping more for a permanent outsider like his father. Ron Paul was much more interested in telling the truth as he saw it without mincing words, and Ron also got much better as time went on at not getting drawn into pointless arguments by hypothetical questions.

        I miss Dennis Kucinich too. At least, his analysis of the problems were great, I strongly disagreed with most of his solutions though.

        Oh well, the system is fundamentally flawed. I wish I’d stop letting myself get my hopes up.

        • tickyul

          I don’t see how this country can be truly turned around for the good of all citizens….the people running things are too insane and corrupt. I think this fact is evident if you watch an outsider try to make changes to the way the sick system works. Rand’s shift is an attempt to gain more influence in the stinking, fetid ring of power.
          I also respect both Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich…..they stand up for what they believe in….even if it is heresy among the Demorat-Libscum and Republirat-Phonycons.

    • Cato

      There are a lot of libertarians who favor free immigration. They never seem to pause to think about the degree to which these immigrants might agree with libertarian ideas. And, of course, it is axiomatic with libertarian thought that a human is simply homo economicus, busily maximizing utility, and that culture and genes are irrelevant.

      • BonusGift

        The Libertarians’ basic assumption driving that view is that all humans are interchangeable. One only has to look at Detroit’s demographic composition when it was the “Paris of the West” and compare it to its now bankrupt hellhole status to see the problem with that brainwashed form of thinking.

      • Joseph

        “There are a lot of libertarians who favor free immigration.”

        I keep hearing this, particularly on AmRen but I don’t know any of them. Maybe Gary Johnson or somebody but I don’t know any “practicing” libertarians or Libertarians who favor some “open border” concept.

        • Charles W.

          Peter Schiff, who I otherwise am a big fan of, is very pro-immigration.

      • Charles W.

        Libertarians who favor free immigration are about as stupid as feminists, liberals, etc., who favor it. As you said, they never stop to think if the new immigrants will agree with, or even respect, their views (which of course they don’t). Utter fools.

    • MBlanc46

      No one who has serious presidential aspirations.

    • John

      Rand Paul and Ron Paul are both traitors to Whites. Anyone who condones anything less than deporting all illegals, including their anchor-babies and anchor-descendants, is a traitor to the United States of America, the Constitution, and the solemn vows and oaths they took to protect both.

      Over 40 million Mestizos must be identified and sent south of the border, as soon as possible. I cannot accept that it is logistically impossible to do that. For five days a week, approximately 26 million children take the bus to and from school [1].

      Imagine that! 26 million!!! — and twice, every weekday, plus up to 5 million more for extracurricular activities and field trips! Let us assume 57 million total trips per day, which includes the to-school leg, the return-home leg, and extracurricular trips. Over 180 school days in a school year, that is the same as moving 10.26 BILLION people over the roughly nine-month period of school! If we assume 40 million illegals that must be deported, that is only 0.39% of what the total school busing program accomplishes!!! They claim deporting illegals is logistically impossible?!?!?! What a lie!!!

      The government could greatly reduce the number of illegals simply by arresting a couple of thousand high-profile illegals, confiscating all of their assets on this side of the border, and deporting them. Next, announce that more asset confiscations and deportations are forthcoming!

      As a result, the Department of Transportation would likely have to affect major repairs on all south bound highways and roads across the nation, due to sudden and extreme usage by illegals high-tailing it back to their native countries. As for the remainder who choose to stay illegally, they will be easier to identify, arrest, punish, and deport.

      Agents along the southern border should also be given orders to shoot to kill all invaders! None of this “catch and release” nonsense. The policy should be “locate and shoot”! Defend the sovereignty of the United States and ask questions later.

      As for business in the United States that harbor illegals, including mayors who designate their cities as “sanctuary cities”, they should face very heavy fines and many years in prison.

      None of that will happen, of course. Rand Paul and friends will continue to work with Democrats to kiss the arses of everyone in the entire Mestizo community. No surprise there, but still, it is very disturbing to see the law so willfully ignored and violated by the entire Congress! Of course, they are paid off by the banksters to betray us. Again, no surprise at all!

      1. http://www.stnonline.com/resources/10-safety/786-school-bus-safety-data

    • John

      Rand Paul and Ron Paul are both traitors to Whites. Anyone who condones anything less than deporting all illegals, including their anchor-babies and anchor-descendants, is a traitor to the United States of America, the Constitution, and the solemn vows and oaths they took to protect both.

      Over 40 million Mestizos must be identified and sent south of the border, as soon as possible. I cannot accept that it is logistically impossible to do that. For five days a week, approximately 26 million children take the bus to and from school [1].

      Imagine that! 26 million!!! — and twice, every weekday, plus up to 5 million more for extracurricular activities and field trips! Let us assume 57 million total trips per day, which includes the to-school leg, the return-home leg, and extracurricular trips. Over 180 school days in a school year, that is the same as moving 10.26 BILLION people over the roughly nine-month period of school! If we assume 40 million illegals that must be deported, that is only 0.39% of what the total school busing program accomplishes!!! They claim deporting illegals is logistically impossible?!?!?! What a lie!!!

      The government could greatly reduce the number of illegals simply by arresting a couple of thousand high-profile illegals, confiscating all of their assets on this side of the border, and deporting them. Next, announce that more asset confiscations and deportations are forthcoming!

      As a result, the Department of Transportation would likely have to affect major repairs on all south bound highways and roads across the nation, due to sudden and extreme usage by illegals high-tailing it back to their native countries. As for the remainder who choose to stay illegally, they will be easier to identify, arrest, punish, and deport.

      Agents along the southern border should also be given orders to shoot to kill all invaders! None of this “catch and release” nonsense. The policy should be “locate and shoot”! Defend the sovereignty of the United States and ask questions later.

      As for business in the United States that harbor illegals, including mayors who designate their cities as “sanctuary cities”, they should face very heavy fines and many years in prison.

      None of that will happen, of course. Rand Paul and friends will continue to work with Democrats to kiss the arses of everyone in the entire Mestizo community. No surprise there, but still, it is very disturbing to see the law so willfully ignored and violated by the entire Congress! Of course, they are paid off by the banksters to betray us. Again, no surprise at all!

      1. http://www.stnonline.com/resources/10-safety/786-school-bus-safety-data

    • Popeye Doyle

      Rand Paul. Named after Ayn Rand. Not impressed with him or his beufont hairdoo. He’s anothet one that is in a coma when it comes to race.

  • mike

    Of course he wants to grant them amnesty and import more. Just another free market advocate who is looking for cheap labor. What a loser.

    • But wouldn’t it be ironic if Bowling Green, Kentucky, like California already has, suddenly experiences a flood of H-1B ophthalmologists, such that Rand Paul has no prosperous ophthalmology practice to return to when his Senate career is over?

      • Paleoconn

        Great point. Bring them in, as long as they don’t compete with my profession or that of my kin.

      • RisingReich

        That would be great, but somehow these cretins always skip out on consequences of the ideas they put forth. Damn this man, damn him!

    • MBlanc46

      He’s hoping that his tempered “libertarianism” will make him a winner in the 2016 presidential election.

  • It is perfectly obvious that Rand Paul does not get it and will never get it on immigration.

    It is also perfectly obvious that about the only elected officials that truly grok the seriousness of this issue are about two dozen Congress(wo)men, about two Senators, Jan Brewer and Kris Kobach.

    Speaking of, and I’m not making any promises here, because I’m a human being, not a miracle worker. Awhile back, I said here on AR how I came to find out that Mitt Romney played Kris Kobach like a cheap fiddle then dumped him, and that was because as someone with the Todd Akin campaign, I had an intermediary I could exploit to get Kobach to call me personally.

    I just might have enough steam left to get Kobach to call me again. If he does, I’m going to try to convince him to run for President in 2016, even if he has to run for President from the vantage point of only being Kansas’s Secretary of State. Senate or Governor from KS won’t open up next year, but the immigration issue is doubly important and at too late an hour for any of us any more to worry about “protocol” of having to have been elected to this office or that office before one can be President. Heck, Kansas Secretary of State is a statewide elected office as much as Senate or Governor, and he’ll easily win another term as SOS next year.

    Hope and pray that (A) He calls me back, and (B) That my words hit their mark. Or, better than that, pray that he has already thought of the idea by himself, and he doesn’t need me or anyone else to talk him into it.

    Kobach/Barletta 2016 — Because, I want to live in America, not Guadeltombiexicoistan.

  • MikeS

    That lengthy filibuster must have caused brain damage.

  • Grim Jim

    Rand Paul always struck me as a limp wristed sissy with more than a little sugar in his tank. He hasn’t disappointed me since I smelled a big rat in him even before he started his Israeli love fest tour.

    • The__Bobster

      You didn’t like the photo of Rand in a beanie?

      • Grim Jim

        No, if he would have had a red propeller spinning on the top I would have applauded him tho.

    • Der Typ

      I agree with you. Rand certainly isn’t his father, but the list of US politicians who haven’t done the Israel love fest thing is dreadfully small. It’s even smaller on the Republican side of the aisle.

  • Guest

    I’m not sure he’s in with the cheap labor crowd, there’s something with some of the libertarians where they have this “Everyone should be allowed to come here” train of thought going on.
    Needless to say, I called his home office and spoke to a very pleasant young woman and informed her that his behavior will on this particular subject will not inspire me to go out and pull the lever for him in ’16.
    Of course it’ll be too late by then anyway.

    • joesolargenius

      He is but following in his fathers footsteps making his daddy proud !

  • crystalevans

    Just like I said earlier, these Republicans have flip flopped on their positions on this issue. They all were on the Mitt Romney bandwagon to have the illegals deport themselves. Now they want immigration reform?

    • Eagle_Eyed

      This is because the GOP has primarily become economistic. The only political philosophical battles they want to fight deal with marginal tax rates or abstruse budgeting rules. Anything else (immigration, social issues) is downgraded and can thus be “compromised” on (ceded to liberal Dems)

  • Charles W.

    See, this is where the libertarians like Rand get it wrong. They believe in free markets, but they also believe in open borders. Free markets + open borders = whites who can’t design iPhones or create the new Google will have two choices: live like third worlders (working 18hrs/day crammed ten to an apartment) and be poor, or else not work and be DIRT poor. If whites think it’s hard making ends meet now, just wait until ‘freedom lovers’ like Rand get their way and you’re competing with 500,000 Mexicans for a job at your local Wal-Mart.

    Demographics are destiny. Demographics are destiny. This simply can’t be emphasized enough. A Germany or Japan with a shrinking, aging population of Germans or Japanese is still infinitely better off than a United States or England with an exploding population of Pakistanis and Nigerians.

    Rand is going to save us from the drones, but he’s going to turn around and encourage something even more destructive to what’s left of the productive American citizenry: open third world immigration.

    • Immigration is crucial to all other issues, such that if you don’t grok immigration, you really don’t grok the other issues.

      Once Rand Paul get what he seems to want, i.e. an America that is so heavily non-white that its Federal government is majority non-white, I can all but guarantee you that such a future Federal government will order an armed drone strike against what by then will laughably pass for an “American citizen” on soil that once seemed like America. Hell, I can make the case that if the population base is majority non-white and somehow the Federal government remains in the hands of people we now think of as traditional white Americans (TWAs), that the very fact that the population is non-white will make it a lot more likely that the TWA-run Federal government orders an armed drone strike against some of the few remaining TWA civilians. Seems strange, but the key to understanding my riddle is the phrase Sam Francis coined, Anarcho-Tyranny: Current and future legislation and regulations mainly enacted because of non-white misbehavior will mostly be used against TWAs who only slightly misbehave.

      One more thing: Rand likes to boast about all the money he returns to the treasury because he doesn’t spend his entire budget allocation for his Senate office. Which is cool. But there’s a down side — If you’re going to open the borders and cost the country trillions of new dollars in social welfare costs, the the few hundred thousand dollars a year you give back that you don’t spend is simply a matter of being penny wise and pound foolish. Norm (Puggg) did some math, and calculated that Rand Paul would have to be in the Senate for 4.33 million years before the money that is saved from his yearly return of unused Senate budgets would break even to the $2.6 trillion that amnesty and open borders will cost us.

    • The__Bobster

      Neo-libertarians task me. All they want are legal drugs and open borders. Give me a Paleo-libertarian any day.

    • MBlanc46

      There are plenty of people who will profit handsomely if most of us have to “live like third worlders”.

    • John

      I believe that tokens like Rand are paid to play the role of oppositionists. It’s subterfuge for all of the horrors that actually transpire in the end.

    • Tucker

      I have my serious doubts about the entire Paul family for quite some time, but right after the November 6th defeat of a war mongering RINO named Mittens – when I saw the vile and despicably evil neo-con rat Bill Kristol on some TV show, sporting a big smirk on his ugly face, and trying to offer his ‘analysis’ of why the Israeli hand picked war mongering candidate lost – and of course, he never mentioned that a big reason was that Americans are sick and tired of fighting and funding wars that are demanded by a foreign nation and which are NOT in our national interest – and, then Kristol smugly announces that ‘Rand Paul’ is probably the future of the GOP.

      I knew immediately that Kristol and his tribe of neo-cons had Rand Paul in their pocket, and that means – he will advance the entire agenda of Kristol’s tribe and that agenda includes race dispossession of White European Americans inside their historic native homelands.

      Rand Paul is a White Genocidist, folks. He is our enemy. And, so are any politicians – Ds or Rs – who have any connection or affiliation to any of these Trotsykite Communist neo-cons.

  • alas

    The only Republican I can see who is against legalization, or at least has not come out in favour of it, is Ted Cruz. That’s one reason why I hate the term ‘hispanic’ because this guy seems like an outstanding American I don’t give a damn what language some of his ancestors spoke.

    • He has a good record as Texas Solicitor General on the issue, but I’m not going to be comfortable with him until I see him voting correctly on an immigration bill.

      • KittyAmerica

        Yes he fought the Bush admin so Texas could execute a filthy gang banger Mexican murderer. so I voted for him. I’m getting nervous about him now because he’s been silent on this.

      • joesolargenius

        Your right as it does not matter what they say but what they do that determines where they really stand , call me paranoid if you wish but I believe in watching everybody .

        • When I was growing up, one axiom that was pounded through my head constantly is that words are cheaper than dirt, and that actions have consequences. In other words, ignore what people say and mind what they do. One can’t be paranoid enough on an issue as important as this one.

          • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

            My friend says “trust in God…but lock your car.” Seems to sum it up.

    • RisingReich

      Give him time, and he’ll turn traitor too. Just wait. I’d love to believe differently, but past experience prohibits me from thinking any other way.

    • The__Bobster

      Cruz kisses Israel ass big time. Go with Jeff Sessions, a true patriot.

    • SargeInCharge

      “The only Republican I can see who is against legalization, or at least has not come out in favour of it, is Ted Cruz.”

      I understand that you mean Republicans that are household names on the national stage, but Kris Kobach is hands down the best Republican on immigration.

      http://americasvoiceonline.org/blog/kris-kobachs-vision-on-immigration-has-dug-a-hole-for-gop/

      “Kris Kobach, the architect of the Arizona and Alabama “show me your papers” laws and the leading proponent of the theory that if you make life miserable enough for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in America, they will pick up and “self-deport.”

      While Kobach is the elected Secretary of State in Kansas, he seems to spend most of his time outside of the state pushing his unpopular and controversial policies. Just recently, for example, he filed a lawsuit against President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program – a program for young immigrants who call themselves DREAMers that is wildly popular with Latino voters and very popular with all voters.

      Yesterday, Mr. Kobach had a very bad day. DREAMers from across the country were in Kansas calling on Kobach to drop his lawsuit against DREAMers and to stop using his office to launch attacks on immigrants.

      When asked for a reaction to the DREAMer protesters, Kobach described the group’s demands as “insane.” He also said to the Associated Press, “The audacity of these illegal aliens is amazing…Illegal means illegal, and that’s a very simple concept to understand and yet they want me to ignore the fact that the law has meaning in Kansas.”

      • Der Typ

        Thanks for the info. This is the first that I’m hearing about this guy. Unfortunately, I can’t vote for him.

  • Paleoconn

    This plus my recent discovery of his Wailing Wall spectacle, Rand Paul is yesterday’s news for me. Thrown onto the ash heap along with Chris Christie and every other pseudo-conservative of the stupid party. Faith in Kris Kobach remains.

  • Heard rand on the Hannity show today and with his Immigration plan , he is French kissing a rattlesnake……

    • The__Bobster

      Two rattlesnakes were French kissing each other.

  • Tom Iron

    This “legal status” malarkey ain’t all it’s wrapped up to be. In the end, the mexicans and the rest of the hispanics will be on the lowest rung of the ladder anyway, just as they are now. For some reason, I don’t see the blacks here all that much longer. Their time here is pretty much done.

  • They already have legal status . . . in their home country.

  • RisingReich

    Traitors will not be forgiven, nor will they be forgotten.
    You Mr Paul, are a traitor.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      I think we need to focus on the non-white lists more. Any politician will change with the wind. Why is everyone so surprised; it’s happened over and over in history.

  • I wouldn’t give up on Rand Paul or admit defeat on a mass illegal amnesty.

    Rand Paul is a Libertarian true believer and a racial pussyfooter; he, like his father likes to be in the game, invited to be on TV, have his name mentioned in flattering ways running for President.

    We simply have to make it reality that anyone pushing amnesty, open borders immigration gets taken down and out.

    We took out Chris Cannon, Dick Lugar and Arlen Specter. We almost took out Lindsey Graham and John McCaine on their immigration treasons. We now need to take some shots across Rand Paul’s bow (front of the boat, I m butchering the spelling).

    The worst Libertarian immigration, racial traitor was Jack Kemp…

    Our traitors don’t last.

    • Jack Kemp wasn’t even a libertarian, but he was plenty noxious, and I’m glad his political career was borked. Hell, he lost to Al Gore in a debate, the same Al Gore who let George W. Bush out-debate him four years later.

      Kemp was a big time gun grabber. No libertarian of any sort is a gun grabber.

      The most stupid thing Kemp ever said is that the reason he cared so much about black people is because he took showers with black men and he couldn’t help but care about the very people he ran around naked with in a football locker room.

      And also…I’m not giving up. I’m just focused now on better alternatives and more receptive ears.

      • StillModerated

        Kemp was a dumb jock, and this is what happens when you playz da feetsball! Spending too much time in locker rooms full of naked knee grows makes weird things happen to the human brain.

  • Luca

    There is a difference between legal status, amnesty and citizenship. The fact is, that in the current socio-political environment hardly anyone can stand up and say “Ship them back where they came from.” and still have a job for very long. If everyone gets voted out of office, nothing gets done.

    Also, if you ship them all home, what’s to stop them from coming back the next day? Personally, and in a perfect world, I wish Joe Arpaio or Jan Brewer were President but that is not going to happen, so what can we do?

    By giving them a foreign-worker status, they pay taxes and can’t vote. It gives the illusion of being humane but actually it accomplishes things that might not get done otherwise. Apparently he is looking for middle ground between deportation and all-out amnesty and tying it to stricter border enforcement and E-Verify. I think that by doing this it will weed out the many criminals and malcontents who were hoping for citizenship with handouts.

    There are now three concepts floating around, the first grants full amnesty, the second is the deportation theory and the third is what Rand Paul is promoting. The first would be a nightmare, the second will never happen and the third is the only practical matter whether I like it or not. Very soon, I am guessing that while everyone is distracted, Puerto Rico will probably become the 51st State. This will invite 2-million new voters into the Presidential election. Something has to be done soon and it has to be palatable to the American public otherwise our fate is sealed.

    I disagree strongly on many points of what Rand said but objectively speaking his plan or something similar seems to be the only likely solution that stands a chance of success. Unless of course someone else comes up with a better one that will actually fly.

    • There is a difference between legal status, amnesty and citizenship

      In theory yes. But remember V-Dare’s mantra: The work permit is the amnesty. It’s also what the cheap labor lobby really covets, more legal workers to drive down the wage-salary equilibrium. All other issues are superfluous diversions.

      • Luca

        I like the work permit used in other countries whereby the guest worker (not his whole family) comes to a country with an employment sponsor. After a time period of 2-3 years they rotate back home and let another person take their place.

        Another good aspect of Rand’s plan is those who are now undocumented will become documented and we will know where they are when we need to find them. Knowing this, some people will self-deport or if found without documentation will be sent before an immigration judge.

        If we do nothing than the illegals keep coming over the fence and working for peanuts under the table, whereas if they are documented they are subject to wage laws.

        What other workable alternatives are there?

        • Der Typ

          I don’t know, but it appears bashing libertarianism with straw man arguments appears to be the trick for success!

          I’m with you. This looks better than what Obama or McCain want to give us. There are no better alternatives. The only thing that will generate the political will for mass expulsion here is the economy getting much worse than it is now. That may happen too, let’s just hope before McCain and Obama give us 11 million new citizens, which would is more likely to be 22 million. Actually, I’m not even advocating his idea, but I agree with you that it is the most expedient plan out there to get us out of this immigration limbo we’re in, because the political will for mass expulsion is not there.

          Oh wait, that’s right… I forgot. I supported Ron Paul. That means I’m for mass immigration. Sorry I got to get back to learning how to say ‘Welcome’ in Spanish. I must of bumped my head or something to post here. I’m still stumped on if the libertarians are so ‘pro-open’ borders, why we just don’t support Obama and McCain? I’m sure someone here can explain this to me.

          • Eagle_Eyed

            You miss the point. Libertarians certainly have a different view on government power than their statist opponents, but the end game for any nation which doesn’t protect it’s borders/sovereignty is irrelevance and replacement. The libertarian movement is almost exclusively white, for instance. How is letting in millions of big-government-supporting brown people going to help grow the libertarian movement or elect more Ron Pauls?

        • “If we do nothing than the illegals keep coming over the fence and working for peanuts under the table, whereas if they are documented they are subject to wage laws.

          What other workable alternatives are there?”

          Jack replies:

          There are other ways Frodo.

          Japan, Swtzerland, Singapore and Israel handle immigration fine. Even Liberal Canada does it so much better than the USA.

          These traitorous Libertarians have to suffer personal pain for their immigration treason.

        • Beetlejuice

          I wouldn’t hold my breath. Illegal criminals are being released wholesale from prisons onto the streets of America.

          They don’t appear now before immigrations judges when ordered.

          Take a lesson from the 1986 amnesty. Were ANY of the promises kept?

        • Another good aspect of Rand’s plan is those who are now undocumented
          will become documented and we will know where they are when we need to
          find them. Knowing this, some people will self-deport or if found
          without documentation will be sent before an immigration judge.

          If the undocumented becomes document it means they’ll become part of our body politic (don’t think they won’t get to vote, because they will), and at that point, the last thing that will happen is that anyone will ever want to truly deport them. What will result from there is they’ll truck even more of their co-ethnics in, in a cascading effect.

          What other workable alternatives are there? Answer: Going in the other direction. Revoking work permits and green cards, legislatively recognizing that the 14th amendment had nothing to do with anything other than making post-WBTS freed blacks citizens and not the children of illegal or legal aliens. Then starting the real deportations, strong arming countries that won’t take their own back until they do, and prosecuting the employers that knowingly hiring illegals. 10,000 volt fence on the southern border, fortified with the 101st Airborne, the U.S. Navy patrolling the maritime borders as necessary.

          See how easy that was? It’s like I was running a real country or something.

          • Luca

            And your alternative hasn’t worked yet for what reason? Because it is wishful thinking. I have daydreams about how I’d like it to be too, but I have to choose between wishful thinking and reality.

          • And your alternative hasn’t worked yet for what reason?

            Because nobody in power wants to try it, because it would work. And that’s the last thing the cheap labor lobby wants.

      • Beetlejuice

        The cheap labor lobby covets unfettered open borders.

        What keeps labor costs down is a high and constant turnover of undocumented immigrants. Those who exploit cheap labor don’t want to pay unemployment insurance, social security, obamacare, etc. Cash is king in businesses that hire illegal aliens.

        Even Cesar Chavez knew this and wanted the border closed.

        Illegal immigrants that are here will get work permits/amnesty and then start agitating for more money and better working conditions, form unions and put pressure on elected officials like the old UFW. The illegals are what keep costs down and it is THIS that the cheap labor lobby covets.

  • JohnEngelman

    Is anybody surprised? For libertarians, especially those who have been inspired by Ayn Rand, national and racial loyalty is a form of collectivism. They wish to reduce competition between nations and races while increasing it between individuals.

    For them “freedom” means that which benefits the rich, the well born, and the able.

    • The irony is that older libertarians, such as Ludwig Von Mises and Ayn Rand herself, were not advocates of multiracialism. Mises even toyed a little bit with out and outright racialism, even though nobody would ever mistake him for Madison Grant. Ayn Rand amply demonstrated that her own ideology and Western civilization were inseparable.

      Where and how did it go off the tracks? I suspect the answer to that is also roughly the same answer to how Christianity turned from a de facto white racial construct to just another “We Are the World” near cult.

      • convairXF92

        Correct me if I’m wrong, but Ayn Rand believed that race was meaningless in how well one could perform in life. Like, rejected HBD totally. She believed that one’s performance followed from one’s philosophical principles plus one’s willingness to keep one’s mind focused. Different cultures taught different principles to their children, and also varied in how much they valued mental focus; therefore, average performance level did vary by culture, which correlated with race. However, all humans had the capability of pulling themselves out of their culture and becoming rational thinkers– all healthy brains have the hardware for such.

        • CrowBoi1977

          Rand rejected what she termed as ‘primativism’.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism's_rejection_of_the_primitive

          After reading more about this I have concluded that this is ‘primativism’ is actually a quasi-racialist social construct. She only labeled colored folks with it (American Indians and Arabs)

          Also we have to remember that Rand was mostly active in the 1950s-1960s… when America was unquestionably 90% White! She wrote in a time when the multi-racialism of today was unthinkable.

          If Ayn Rand was really this hard-core anti-racist, why didn’t she travel from her home country of Russia to some part of Africa or India instead of too America? Africa and India were closer!!! No she clearly had some sort of racialist leanings.

          P.S. ‘A Sense of Life: Ayn Rand and White Nationalism’

    • David Ashton

      I have the impression that you would sympathize with a “libertarian” view that puts individual intellectual ability higher than loyalty to the white race or the American nation that it created.

      The views of the late Ayn Rand, which I have analysed myself for the British quarterly
      Salisbury Review, are now rather academic, since her “selfishly”-appointed heirs have evolved into advocates of global usury and anti-Muslim aggression. But although she described racism as the basest form of collectivism, she had an implicit commitment to western civilization in its American form and to “rational patriotism”. Though mistaken in her view of genetic determinism, she believed in judging individuals by their personal achievement not their ancestry or appearance. She opposed affirmative action as racist. Her heroes and heroines were obviously “white Gentiles” (Galt’s banker was Irish), so much so that one critic thought this Jewish anti-communist had invented her literary pseudonym as a virtual anagram for “D– Aryan”. Personally I think she would have regarded and rejected mass-immigration and asylum-seeking from the “undeveloped” world as a form of invasion. She supported the hardworking middle class against parasites at either end of the social scale. It is true that she favored ability against disability – neatly satirized in a Simpson cartoon with the “Ayn Rand School for Tots” and its motto “Helping is Futile”. However, on balance her philosophical novels were a force for good.
      See also the important if brief references in the best single (and moving) biography, “Goddess of the Market: Ayn Rand and the American Right” by Jennifer Burns (OUP 2009), to white civilization (p.44) and undesirable “Civil Rights” legislation (p.205).
      There were hidden paradoxes in the ideological skyscraper she built on a base of limited premises, that led her, for example, mistakenly to rate Spillane above Shakespeare, but rightly to value the national achievement of state-funded astronauts higher than the self-indulgent consumers of free-market narcotics.

  • Bill

    So much for the “conservative” hero of CPAC and the Senate floor. God bless the folks here with eyes open. WE knew he was a RINO eons ago. Actually, he’s probably more libertarian than Republican, which illustrates why Libertarians are just as bad, or worse, than Republicans. And that includes Ron.

    • Der Typ

      Maybe, I don’t know what I’m talking about but I’m pretty sure that Rothbard, Rockwell, Ron Paul, Gary North, and others have all advocated the idea that one does not allow in enough of any foreign group to change the political situation. Granted that is not stated in racial terms, but is far from ‘open-borders’ or unlimited immigration.

      I’ve been reading libertarian for the last 14 years and very rarely have I seen anyone advocated massive, unlimited immigration. If they do, it’s usually right after they’ve said do away with welfare, free education for illegals, etc., thus taking away the economic motive for them coming here in the first place.

      Obviously, these people don’t want to be blacklisted as hatemongers by the $PLC and their ilk. That is the reason I’ve noticed less libertarians talking hard about immigration since about the 2nd time RP made his presidential run. But when one looks at what they advocate it is better than what we have now.

      And I’m a racially aware libertarian. But what do I know? I’ll defer to the people who praise Paul Krugman and the JDL…

      • bluffcreek1967

        I beg to differ. I’ve talked with numerous libertarians over the years that were quite supportive of open borders and thought the entire of notion of combatting illegal immigration a waste of federal resources. I also watched a documentary put out by ‘Reason’ a few years ago on immigration (hosted by Drew Carey if my memory serves me correct) and they, more or less, ridiculed the idea that more immigration is a bad thing.

        Maybe some libertarians are starting to change their minds, but for the most part, libertarians have essentially had an open borders mentality.

      • StillModerated

        The cure will be economic collapse. Whites can survive it best, but they’ll have to exhibit self-compassion — our kind first.

      • Charles Lufkin

        Read the Libertarian party platform.I think you will see the light on how putrid their immigration position is.Here is what it states–“individuals must not be constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries”.Crystal clear.The Libertarians do not accept that the state can engage in border security or set limits on immigration..

      • Joseph

        Ron Paul was the one who introduced the amendment to DISALLOW CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH to those whose parents are not citizens and some here keep repeating that he is for massive free immigration. They decide that he is “libertarian” then conclude from that “he is for unlimited immigration”. They guy belonged/belongs to the Minutemen for gosh sake; hardly a friend of illegals.

    • CrowBoi1977

      Ron Paul had a pretty strong stand on immigration.

      I voted for Ron Paul twice in the Republican primaries and do not regret those votes.

      ‘He has advocated for a “coherent immigration policy”, and has spoken strongly against amnesty for illegal aliens because he believes it undermines the rule of law, grants pardons to lawbreakers,[356] and subsidizes more illegal immigration.[357] Paul voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, authorizing an additional 700 miles (1100 kilometers) of double-layered fencing between the U.S. and Mexico mainly because he wanted enforcement of the law and opposed amnesty, not because he supported the construction of a border fence.[358]

      Paul believes that mandated hospital emergency treatment for illegal aliens should be ceased and that assistance from charities should instead be sought because there should be no federal mandates on providing health care for illegal aliens.[358]’

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Borders_and_immigration

      • I too voted for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries in 2012. In 2008, I voted for Duncan Hunter.

        But I didn’t vote for Ron Paul in 2012 because I thought he would save the world. I voted for him because he was the candidate on my ballot whose worldview was closest to mine. (Too, that’s my attitude about virtually all politicians). That said, I cast my votes with eyes wide open about his immigration perfidy.

      • Bill

        Yeah, Ron Paul has a strong stand on immigration….NO border fence, NO security or troops on the border, and NO real program to get the invaders to go home. Any such actions HE sees as “threatening” to the liberty of citizens…he even said so in the debates…..HE was afraid any fence or troops would be there to keep US IN, more afraid of that than the devastation illegals are doing to our culture and more afraid of the fence than he is watching our communities and hospitals go bankrupt. He has a plan all right. He’s a moonbat. And a great illustration that being fiscally conservative is NOT enough alone…..the Tea Party was fiscally conservative too, and terribly afraid to address any other issues like illegal invaders, black criminality and community destruction, etc.

        • HE was afraid any fence or troops would be there to keep US IN

          I heard that myself from him multiple times.

          Who would actually want to flee to Mexico? I don’t want Mexico coming here for a reason, and that’s the same reason I have absolutely no desire to flee to Mexico. About the only kind of people who want to flee to Mexico are criminals on the lam, most of them are Mexicans themselves.

        • CrowBoi1977

          In Libertarian theory the border area would be in private property owners hands and they could defend it any way they liked. This could potentially include mining their own property, setting up sniper towers, or hiring militia with bazookas. All A-O.K. under Libertarian beliefs about the 2nd Amendment.

          Libertarians just come at things from a different perspective than a most WN would, but if Libertarian beliefs were put into practice in my mind it would assuredly be better then the status quo.

          • Yeah right. And if we accepted similar impossible Marxist premises race denying Worl Communism will also work well in the United States.

            People, please PLEASE get out of the Libertarian fantasy world.

            We need to start thinking and acting like the Japanese.

          • CrowBoi1977

            Jack Ryan I certainly agree with you about acting like Japanese Ethno-Nationalists.

            However I think that the White Nationalist movement should be a ‘Big Tent’ and that we should have room for folks like the late Murray Rothbard who had Libertarian leanings but was also at times quite racialist. (like when he supported Pat Buchanan.)

            WNs may need to support some ‘single-issue’ Libertarian causes to help to tear down this dang Federal Government for example.

        • Tucker

          Remember how Ron Paul went out to Las Vegas and gave a speech to a big audience of Hispanics and how he was falling all over himself to kiss their toes and how he told them that he welcomed changes in our immigration policy that would allow millions more of them to flood across our border?

          Ron Paul has never been sincere about stopping illegal immigration, and he and his treasonous son both share the same ideology that Rand recently expressed when he said: “If you want to come to America and find a job then we want to help you do that.” Or, something to that affect.

          Rand also wants to hike up the H1-B Visa numbers so big businesses can import more high tech workers who will work for less money and no benefits and also help big business lay off more native born White Americans who’ve spent thousands of dollars and devoted years of their lives to pursue educations and to acquire valuable skills that they hoped would secure them a good paying middle class careers. Rand Paul is both a White genocidist and a treasonous rat who cares nothing for the citizens of the country that spawned him.

          Alan Wall on Vdare responded to that Rand Paul insanity by asking: Since we should our immigration policies be determined by the desires of aliens and not based on the desires of native born citizens?

          This is our home, and we have every legitimate right to determine who we allow to enter it and who we will not allow to enter it. Not according to Rand Paul, though. He supports turning America into a flop house for the refuse of the Third World.

  • The__Bobster

    I’m a one-issue voter. Rand is now off my list.

    • StillModerated

      Is that dog-whistle for Pro-White?

  • Felix_M

    **** Rand Paul and the horse he road in on.

    Hear that flushing sound? Right now Rand Paul’s political future is circling the toilet bowl like a smelly turd before disappearing forever.

    • Who does Rand Paul think he’s impressing with this stunt? Not any of us, not anyone in the grass roots. Hispanics want nothing to do with any politician who wants to cut as much as one penny from the welfare state. The monied interests he thinks he’s impressing don’t like him for his semi-isolationism, and they want nothing to do with him because they have plenty of options in 2016 for politicians who are both open borders and invade the world neo-cons, Jeb Bush as a prime example.

    • Tucker

      Exactly. This guy cannot possibly win the GOP nomination for President without strong support from the White conservative base that the GOP is now trying it’s best to alienate, demonize, spit upon, and disenfranchise. There are simply too few minorities and multi-cult morons in the GOP constituency to get him nominated.

      On the other hand, reflecting back upon the GOP primaries the last time around – how the White race could be so freaking stupid as to allow the despicable RINO rat Newt Gingrich to survive past the first primary contest he participated in – when Gingrich was on the record as thinking Puerto Rico should become the 51st state because he believed it was teeming with potential conservative GOP voters – that clearly shows just how pathetically stupid, clueless, and ill-informed the vast majority of White voters apparently are these days. Gingrich is also one of the fathers of NAFTA and that means he is responsible for the exodus of millions of good paying middle class jobs and the off-shoring of the industries which once provided those jobs – and since the middle class is overwhelmingly White European – that was a direct and treasonous assault on the ability of White people to feed themselves and provide for their families, but this rat still managed to win a primary or two?

      Maybe Rand Paul isn’t such a long shot after all, when Whites are so willing to support politicians who knife them in the back?

  • pcmustgo

    POLITICIANS SUCK. THEY HAVE NO VALUES…

    • Felix_M

      O’ course not. People with scruples don’t go into politics.

  • kjh64

    Let’s see, we have millions of Americans who are unemployed and under employed, the 40 million illegals and their offspring cost us around 2.5 trillion a decade but we need more immigrants. No, we don’t need more immigrants, illegal OR legal. We need to halt all immigration except for special circumstances and get rid of these illegals and their offspring.

    • MBlanc46

      What you need depends on who you are.

  • joesolargenius

    Here is another spoiled rich kid whom has had a token life and does not comprehend just how badly we poor working class Americans are harmed by illegal immigration .

  • Der Typ

    “Later Tuesday, Paul attempted to clarify his position on the citizenship
    question. “I didn’t use the word citizenship at all this morning,” he
    said. “Basically what I want to do is to expand the worker visa program,
    have border security and then as far as how people become citizens,
    there already is a process for how people become citizens. The main
    difference is I wouldn’t have people be forced to go home. You’d just
    get in line. But you get in the same line everyone is in.”

    Am I the only who read that paragraph? That’s a far cry from general amnesty.

    • It’s enough amnesty. The work permit is the amnesty.

    • Charles Lufkin

      Traitor Paul would legalize the illegal alien invaders by giving them “permanent residence status”(step one and an amnesty itself)).This will rapidly turn into citizenship(step two).Traitor Paul’s sellout plan is a transitional step to full blown amnesty.

  • potato78

    US eventually would become semi-Mexico or semi-Latino country.
    Please don’t cry. Our Amigos would not be going back home because Congressmen would extend Our Amigos from illegal immigrants to Legal immigrants.

  • Old Right

    Sometimes the nut does fall pretty far from the tree.

  • The Last White Man Standing

    The following stories on AMREN today tell us everything we need to know about America’s future:

    Republican Party: Get Diverse or Face Extinction

    More Latinos Likely to Vote Republican If Immigration Reform Passes

    Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal Immigrants Should Be Allowed to Obtain Legal Status

    These stories tell us:

    1. Minorities only care about identity politics and not about America as a nation.
    2. The Republicans only care about what is good their party and not about America as a nation.
    3. The Republican party doesn’t care about White people at all.
    4. Because of the above three facts, the future of White America looks pretty dismal.

    Of course, I’m sure that I’m preaching to the choir.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Et tu, Rand?

  • Charles Lufkin

    Rand Paul is representative of the evils of libertarianism and it’s dominant open borders crowd.His father was about as good as a libertarian gets on immigration and he was regressing(he received an F from Numbers USA).Now the opportunist appears before the hispanic chamber of commerce and states if you want to come to America,we want you.Oblivious to any racial and cultural concerns Amnesty Paul is totally unacceptable.The man is also a liar.Look at this Senate website,it states “illegal aliens present a clear threat to our national security”.Now he supports amnesty.Never trust a libertarian on racial issues.

    • Now, we’re at a situation where Rand is going in the totally wrong direction from Ron on immigration. As questionable to bad as Ron was, he would have never campaigned for amnesty and open borders in Spanish to a bunch of Razatard/Chamber Pot types.

      • Sorry to break the news to you. Ron Paul did virtually the same Hispandering as his son when Ron Paul spoke to a Nevada Chamber of Commerce group in the Presidential primary in Nevada.

    • David Ashton

      “Libertarianism” is about individual money-making and therefore also global. Any “national” aspect is accidental.

  • 1776is1984

    sellout! another checkered pant republican, I think these neocons WANT to ignore the american people.

    • JohnEngelman

      Republicans say a lot of things on the campaign trail. What they support is what benefits the employer – investor class. More immigrants mean more consumers and more job applicants. By the law of supply and demand this means higher prices, lower wages, and higher profits.

      If you keep that in mind you may be angered by what Republican politicians do. You will never be surprised.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        Yes, in this case and for years, the GOP has been out maneuvered by the Democrats since Ted Kennedy got the 1965 Immigration and Naturalization Act passed. It has been very plain all along how these immigrants would largely vote. That was the original sellout and the game really is over. That capitalists like cheap labor and socialists more “comrades” has combined for years to bring us to where we are. Everything but the big blow-up has happened. And that won’t be long off.

      • MBlanc46

        Absolutely. And with minor modifications,this is what the Dems do as well.

  • thoughtcrime1933

    Libertarians are by default individualists and truly only care about themselves and make extremely poor candidates for racially conscious whites to support. Dr. Pierce spoke on this at length.
    Our only concerns should be if it is good for whites and we should act and vote accordingly.

    • That’s not entirely true. Many Libertarians are tribalist and just don’t like the idea of a omnipotent and heavy-handed federal government. There are varying degrees just like any other party or philosophy. Most of the racially aware people I know would probably fall in the Libertarian camp if they had to be classified.

      The fact of the matter is that neither the Liberal Left, the Conservative Right, nor the Centrist Libertarians make good candidates for pro-White people unless they are emphatically pro-White.

      • CrowBoi1977

        The late Murray Rothbard is a very good example of the kind of Paleo-Libertarian that I as a WN could support.

        Heck he supported Pat Buchanan… and wrote good things about David Duke to boot! Doesn’t get much more electorally pro-White then that!!!

        • In the 1989 to 1997 time period, some paleo-libertarians, including Rothbard and Lew Rockwell, made the deliberate decision to run with a quasi-racial strategy as a means to attract people to libertarianism. In that spirit, both of them started a magazine called Rothbard-Rockwell Report (RRR). And, the Ludwig Von Mises Institute’s own newsletter, The Free Market, took on a lot of race based stories. (Rockwell headed the LVMI and edited and published TFM at the time). Rothbard died in 1995, and eventually, Rockwell sans Rothbard gave up on the race strategy because it wasn’t working out like he thought it would.

          Today’s Lew Rockwell seems like a totally different person than the early 1990s version of himself. Yes, back then, Rockwell (along with Rothbard) supported Pat Buchanan’s Presidential campaigns, but you couldn’t get him to admit that today even if you waterboarded him.

          You have to be prepared for the possibility that both Rockwell and Rothbard were faking it rather than being real about their pro-white advocacy during that time period.

          However, RRR is where I first heard of Sam Francis, with this article:

          http://www.unz.org/Publication/RothbardRockwellReport-1994jul-00011

    • Der Typ

      Old Right,
      It’s funny, I see myself coming from the tradition of the “Old Right”. Obviously we have two very different things in mind.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Right_%28United_States%29

      I sorely miss Dr. Pierce and I remember looking forward to his newscasts years ago. That being said though, I’m not sure that I’d want to live under a government that he advocated. I only have one rule about living in dictatorships. I get to be the leader. If not, sorry, I can’t support that.

  • cecilhenry

    Rand Paul is a disgusting traitor.

    He has been bought by someone. Sickening. I want nothing to do with the guy.

    • Please contact Rand Paul’s staff and them know how you feel.

  • I was never enthusiastic about Rand Paul. Libertarians always put their foolish economic notions ahead of the good of the nation at large. And Rand Paul is simply another example.

    • Eagle_Eyed

      It isn’t that their economics is bad per se (I happen to agree with a lot of it); the problem is libertarianism ignores the entire being which is man and instead reduces him to a hypothetical rational consumer who makes individualistic choices in order to maximize his utility. Like-people have collective interests as well (say, like continuing traditions and sharing a language) which are attacked by open-borders (which are actually government-sanctioned since the government wouldn’t let the citizenry enforce private immigration controls anyway)

  • Bull Connor

    Someone got to Rand Paul. He’s suddenly become a coward.

    • Did someone really get to him? Maybe. Kentucky is full of horse farms whose owners love cheap Hispanic labor, and the universities in Kentucky like to source their grounds maintenance work to firms like Top Care that love to hire cheap labor Hispanics.

      Or did he come to the game flawed to begin with? Considering his ideology, was this “treachery” an inevitability? Jack Ryan would argue yes, that nobody “got to him” because nobody HAD to “get to him,” because a libertarian or (in Rand’s case) semi-libertarian being for open borders is as “surprising” as a cat meowing. I’ve been the one saying here in AR, and Whiteplight agrees with me, that adherence to any ideology, be it left, right, libertarian or authoritarian, to the point where it goes against your own best interests, is a form of mental illness.

      The other possibility is that he could be just plain oblivious. Like I said above, hardly any H-1B eye doctors in Bowling Green, KY.

      I think the answer is a combination of all three.

      • Agreed.

        But just understand, Libertarians are almost always as bad as it can be on immigration. Do not enable this treason.

        • BTW good show with George Strait in your Disqus avatar. I’ve been to only one of his concerts, and never met him, but he seems like a kindred soul to me. I do know that German is a significant part of his ethnic heritage, so maybe that’s it. I do know that the town of Luckenbach (“Lucky Brook”), Texas, made famous in the Waylon Jennings/Willie Nelson song of the same name, is part of a historically heavily German region of central Texas, and George Strait’s native area is just south of there. Some AR regular pointed me to a newspaper in a town in that part of Texas that has a German word in its name (?).

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_zIFNsxkss

  • The__Bobster

    Here is the full speech. I couldn’t hold down my lunch reading it.

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/senator-rand-paul-suggests-a-bilingual-america

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Rand Paul: Numbers USA = B-

    Reduce Anchor Baby Citizenship = A+

    On the Issues, 2012:

    *Obamacare treats illegal aliens because it’s illegal to ask. (Oct 2010)

    *No amnesty; respect the law. (Jul 2010)

    http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Rand_Paul_Immigration.htm

    March 2013:

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.)…endorsed an overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws that would allow the nation’s estimated 11 million illegal immigrants to obtain legalized status.

    He’s been Judge Roberts-ed: blackmailed or bribed!!

    In his case, I would bet on blackmail.

    Bon

    • Those good immigration grades, policies were last month. This month he’s gone full renegade immigration traitor.

  • MobyWhite

    One advantage of the coming collapse will be that when the Stong Man takes over, i.e. Obama and his National Civilian Army, the Rand Paul Whiteys who taunt our hopes and then give away our future to Diversity will be “solved”.

  • Of course, this just reiterates that illegals can selectively ignore laws and demand to be rewarded—-unlike citizens….and Whites…both parties support this. To hell with US Immigration Laws…..

    Time for the rest of us to selectively decide which laws we will adhere to and obey…just like illegals…….

    Just wait until these criminals are given amnesty….they will escalate their demands…including affirmative action…

    Whites & legal citizens will be handed the bill….

  • ViktorNN

    Anyone sending the green light to more illegal immigration, plus wanting more legal immigration – all during this time of high unemployment and falling wages/benefits – wants one thing: cheaper labor and higher profits.

    That’s all Rand Paul cares about and all libertarians ever care about.

    A tube of sunscreen is more interested in defending white interests than Rand Paul ever will be.

    • Agreed. Now work to punish Rand Paul. Don’t let him get a free pass and receive quiet, supportive speaking engagements from White audiences. Let Rand Paul only speak to LaRaza, Council of American Islamic (something) CAIR, SPLC, ADLER, ACLU etc.

  • Morris LeChat

    Why anyone needs any more proof that politics is totally failed and corrupt is beyond me. No, the answer for white people will not be by politics, it will be by rebellion. It will be when a major earthquake happens where white people take back the country. Many supposedly “conservative” people, the big money people, will be stripped of everything they have. They have been funding this whole thing.

  • Bobby

    In fact, just today, Rand Paul debunked the phony AP report by saying that he “never said any such thing about supporting amnesty. The AP is a leftist media outlet, worthless in its reporting anything not leftist.

    • Sorry Bobby, read the complete text of Rand Paul’s speech to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. It’s not some Leftist plot by the AP and other Leftist media. Rand Paul completely sold out our people, he supports the right of every single person in the world to move to the United States if they want to work here.

  • Tom in MI

    The libertarian fool claims to want a smaller government and lower taxes while supporting more immigration of people who want government handouts. This requires expanded government and higher taxes. He’s either a fool or just another lying politician who will say anything to get elected.

  • Puggg

    Even Neo-Con Review is making more sense on this than Rand Paul:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/343384/dontstandwithrand-mark-krikorian

    I know it’s Mark Kirkorian writing this. That he got to totally take apart Rand Paul’s “logic” in this speech in Neo-Con Review must mean that Rich Lowry is either drunk, sleeping or out of town.

    • Excellent analysis by Kirkorian. I am afraid he will soon be purged from National Review same as Sobran, Pat Buchanan, John O Sullivan, Peter Brimelow and John Derbyshire.

    • Charles Lufkin

      National Review has a good position on amnesty,They oppose it.

      • But you have to beware about lamestream conservative and neo-con publications and think tanks on the immigration issue. They’ll have the right rhetoric, and in fact, the right position on the illegal immigration question. But the poison pill is that they want more legal immigrant visas.

  • Whirlwinder

    The immigration reform of 1965 started the decline of America as we know it. This law allowed 100’s of thousands into America from any part of the globe. Once they got here, preference was given to import their families into the country. Ever since the passage of this law, White America has been rushing headlong for minority status in our country. We are headed for an America that will proudly proclaim its third world status and isn’t everybody going to love being bossed around by some third worlder with an IQ 15% below yours? Heck, the way education is going, Americas IQ will be lower than whale crap. Everything evens out, right. It is the socialist way.

  • Breaking news:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/stand-with-rand-or-fall-with

    Look at the second half of this URL.

    It seems like Rand’s filibuster wasn’t quite so spontaneous. It and his coming out for amnesty and open borders (again) seem to be related. According to this, it seems that the filibuster (and that so many Republicans who otherwise hated both Ron and Rand Paul before suddenly started “Standing with Rand”) and Rand’s solidly entering the amnesty cartel are actually a quid pro quo.

    Therefore, those of you who were suspicious that the filibuster was purely political theater were probably just vindicated, and worse, he had to sign on to open borders forever as a price for being “allowed” to filibuster.

    Speaking of the cartel (H/T Sailer):

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/03/gop-candidates-form-pro-immigration-cartel.html

    This proves that Rand, as much as anyone in the Gang of Eight, wants work permits right away.

  • QuinnTheEskimo9

    Mr. Paul: I am not willing to let those who STOLE my country vote to determine my and my country’s fate.

  • cadmium

    It seems pretty clear that the only way to solve this is to get most of the illegals out. Anything other than that is amnesty whatever you call it, no matter the time scale. If you start off with the rule, ‘we cannot send them back, it’s naughty’ then logically they will be staying forever. And if they’re staying forever, eventually they will just be made citizens out of a combination of political/social capitulation and practicality.

    So the honest options should be 1. make them americans 2. find a way to relocate them.

    Interestingly, the key Republican leader speaking about removing them was Romney. He was considered too leftist by many conservatives, probably by the tea party too. So maybe they should put their money where their mouth is.

  • Dewtain27

    Has he looked around at CPAC or a YAL convention
    lately? Support for free enterprise is,
    for the most part, a white thing. If we get a libertarian policy on
    immigration, that will be giving up a libertarian policy on every other
    issue. Hopefully more libertarians start
    to realize that we need to restrict immigration in order to otherwise be free.

  • Et tu, Rand Paul?

  • PesachPatriot

    I knew there was a reason I liked ron paul a lot better than his son….I live in a state with a lot of legal hispanic voters and illegal aliens….they’re not just mexicans and cubans ….nicaraguans, panamians, brazilians, argentines and pretty much every other country in south america is present in the sunshine state….there are 315 million plus people here with more being born every day….i think america is crowded enough…..I have said before and I will say it again the best way to cut down illegal immigration on the southern border is a nice sturdy fence with a big no mas trabajo economy is broken sign.

  • Dave4088

    So the Rand man has hopped aboard the amnesty bandwagon to broaden his appeal among non-whites (specifically Latinos) for the 2016 presidential race. Rand sure is a strange duck and a hybrid libertarian and RINO Republican. He’s a libertarian on civil liberties and certain elements of our foreign policy, but a RINO on illegal immigration and everything else.

    Either way he has proven that he can’t be trusted and will say and do anything to improve his own political fortunes.

  • odious liberal

    Another amnesty liberal appeaser, a fool cutting his own throat.

  • mobilebay

    Rand Paul just joined the ever-growing list of traitors in Washington. Talk about transparancy…it’s easy to see who wants to pretend they feel for those whose first act was to disregard our laws. Our “leaders care little for Hispanics and even less for the rest of us. Their mission is to stay in Washington, bellying up to the public trough as long as they are breathing, and they think pandering to the criminals is the way to do it.

  • Thor Bonham

    Now I know why in the back of my mind, I always thought he was a loser ..
    This proves it.. Thanks Rand.

  • CrowBoi1977

    Voted for RON Paul twice in the Republican primaries (2008, 2012), was looking forward to voting for his son in 2016… and now this…

    Might have to look to the Constitution Party again for an acceptable alternative.

  • Charles Lufkin

    Racially conscious whites must NEVER be deceived by libertarians.To libertarians, race is not even viewed as an acceptable category by which one can define himself.They only define people as individuals(consumers and producers).There is no such thing as racial consciousness.Rand Paul is a traitor.To be frank,most libertarians are a bunch of selfish,super individualist pigs.

    • First off, I’ve posted on this particular thread so many times displaying my disgust at this news that I have nothing to prove to anyone. That has to be clear before I can make my next point.

      The philosophical problem with you thinking that any libertarian or (in Rand’s case) semi-libertarian as a traitor is that you are mixing up some philosophical concepts. For there to be treason, there has to be a group of people that consists of more than one person that have something in common but do not comprise the whole of humanity, in conflict with another such particular subset of humanity more than one and less than the whole of humanity, and someone in one group must provide some sort of material support or comfort to those in the other group.

      Pure libertarians can’t possibly be traitors, and they would look at you like you’re nuts when you accuse them of being traitors, because their minds don’t allow for groups of people greater than the individual but less than the whole of humanity. You said it yourself: “They only define people as individuals…no such thing as race.” Or nationality, or anything else. Libertarians can’t be traitors because there’s nothing to commit treason against, in the libertarian mind.

      In that, libertarians and pure Marxists are far more alike than either would like to admit. The Marxist mind similarly rejects the concept of subsets of humanity greater than one but less than the whole. The only difference between them is the question over how much power and influence government(s) should be able to wield.

      • pawcatch

        I love Rand and will vote for him.He is the most pro freedom person in the senate.I love freedom more than anything else in this world.He’s is also one of the most progun people elected today.How any conservative could not support him is beyond me.

        • Here’s hoping race denying gut nuts like you get to come face to bullet with the some gun toting Mestizo gang bangers that idiot Rand Paul will make full US citizens.

  • Robb

    I’m surprised that everybody here seems so shocked about this. It’s like his filibuster last week wiped out your long-term memories. Doesn’t anybody remember Rand endorsing Mitt while Ron was still in the race? This guy sold-out his own father.

    • Actually Ron quit by then, but it didn’t take Rand but a few days after Ron withdrew before he endorsed Romney.

      If you want some sort of family treachery to grind over, consider this: Very early last year, the talk radio host who sounds like Groucho Marx’s grandmother after a hysterectomy (Mark Levin) said that if Ron ran third party and drew at least a million votes, that he would do everything in his power to get Rand out of the Senate. That was in addition to a constant barrage of eliminationist hate that Levin was spewing against Paul the elder. Now, after the election, Rand starts going back on Levin’s show and being buddy buddy with him, and Levin all of a sudden praising Rand, as if none of that ever happened. Levin I don’t trust with a ten foot pole, and never have. But Rand Paul should know better and should have had more loyalty to his own flesh and blood than to suck up to someone who I think was with his rhetoric trying to get him assassinated (which is what “eliminationism” is, spewing such vile vitriolic invective that you secretly hope it inflames some lone wolf nut to assassinate him or her.) At that point, I would have disowned Rand if I were Ron.

      • “Actually Ron quit by then, but it didn’t take Rand but a few days after Ron withdrew before he endorsed Romney.”

        Fantastic point… There is nothing like watching a public figure act on a personal matter while, at the same time, obviously under the public eye. Reason is, one is allowed to take a viewpoint on that individual’s character. In general: faster movements, less character; slower movements, more character. Again, really good of you to point that out, sir.

  • A massive intake of foreign nationals, even without the racial component, is, essentially, an invasion. When one does add the racial component, which is becoming easier and easier to see, it is, essentially, geNOcide.

    Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY White country and ONLY into White countries.

    The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

    Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY White country and ONLY White countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-Whites.

    What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-Blacks were brought into EVERY Black country and ONLY into Black countries?

    How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

    And how long would it take any sane Black man to notice this and what kind of psycho Black man wouldn’t object to this?

    But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the White race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

  • Rand Paul’s 15 minutes of fame are almost over.

    Maybe he can get a turn at “Dancing with the Stars” like Sarah Palin’s daughter Bristol Palin.

    As for me, I hope Rand Paul gets set up on a drug charge and has to spend some time with those “hard working” Latinos that used to do landscape work for $3 a day.

    Want to take some bets on what rich, traitorous White family was hiring illegal alien Mestizos for $3 a day:

    1) Lyndon Johnson’s family
    2) George Bush Family
    3) Ron Paul family

    Lenin once said: “The Capitalists will sell us everything including the rope which we hang them”.

    Just substitute “Texans” for “Capitalists” and Lenin is proven right.

  • Bobby

    I apologize for falsely stating yesterday that Rand Paul was against amnesty. He is. He’s just another traitor in the open borders, cheap labor, republican establishment machine.

  • Due to filibuster-induced oxygen deprivation? Seriously, yet another example of why the GOP should just be humanely put down, like some poor old blind arthritic dog that can’t stop urinating on itself. (On the other hand, such a dog would at least remain loyal and have some sense of integrity.)

  • The illegals have been let go too long. Many years of them constantly pouring in. This government should be run by regular blue collar workers who have common sense; there never would have been this problem in the first place. Illegals are where so much crime stems from; I have also known a few people killed by drunk, uninsured, unlicensed illegals. Time to get them out, one way or ANOTHER!