New Report: 48 Percent of First Children Born to Unwed Mothers

Penny Starr, CNS News, March 21, 2013

Calling it “The Great Crossover,” a report by academics and social activists shows that for the first time in history the median age of American women having babies is lower than the median age of marriage–25.7 and 26.5, respectively.

These “dramatic changes in childbearing,” the report states, results in dramatic statistics about American children. Among them, 48 percent of first births are by unwed mothers, and by age 30 two-thirds of American women have had a child, typically out of wedlock.

Kay Hymowitz, an author of the report and a William E. Simon Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, said at an event to release the report on Wednesday at the Brookings Institution, that it reflects how the view of what marriage is about has changed.

This includes young adults who say marriage and children “are two separate things,” Hymowitz said.

The overall consensus of the report, with data in part gleaned from the U.S. Census Bureau is that Americans are postponing marriage to their late 20s and 30s, putting that separation in place.

“Culturally, young adults have increasingly come to see marriage as a ‘capstone’ rather than a ‘cornerstone’ – that is, something they do after they have all their ducks in a row, rather than a foundation for launching into adulthood and parenthood,” the report states.

The report cites two reasons – middle class American men having difficulty finding stable employment that allows them to support a family and “a less understood” reason about the disconnect between marriage and childbearing.

The report states that the “good news” of delayed marriage is that women can more easily have successful careers, and research shows that divorce rates are lower for later marriages.

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  • The__Bobster

    Sen. Moynihan’s predictions have come to pass, except that it’s worse. Even Whites are now emulating ghetto behavior.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_For_National_Action

    • Tom Iron

      The interesting thing is Moynihan went on to vote for all the liberal baloney of his day that was the forerunner of the mess we see today. So much for his great essay.

    • joesolargenius

      I believe a lot of that is due to financial reasons and social acceptance .

    • bigone4u

      Many of the unmarried single mothers I knew at the university, students and profs, were lesbians/feminists with an axe to grind and something to prove. Everyone in the comments seems to be assuming that the single moms are heterosexual. Some of them are not. Lesbians with children are the strongest push behind gay marriage. Thus, single motherhood is not just ghetto, it’s also feminist.

      • Felix_M

        Thus, single motherhood is not just ghetto, it’s also feminist.

        To be more precise, it’s bulldyke.

  • AutomaticSlim

    “The report states that the “good news” of delayed marriage is that women can more easily have successful careers”

    This is “good news”???

    • BonusGift

      Hey, more ‘good news’: “The report cites two reasons – middle class American men having difficulty finding stable employment that allows them to support a family and ‘a less understood’ reason about the disconnect between marriage and childbearing.”

      Could that “‘less understood’ reason” have anything to do with underclass ‘minorities’ maximizing their offspring to take advantage of whitey’s tax subsidies and/or the related disintegration of the family unit through the constant 24/7 efforts of the tribe in Hollywood? Heck let’s all celebrate that American men can’t find jobs that support families and mostly illegal central American Indians and mestizos turn out not to have ‘family values’. Three cheers for shipping away our industrial base and importing another underclass! Sarcasm off.

      • AutomaticSlim

        Great points.
        We work ourselves to an early grave while the minorities are taken care of from cradle to grave. How on earth did we get roped into this “sucker deal”?

        • Bad_Mr_Frosty

          A certain tribe used fractional reserve banking and fiat currency to buy the media, schools and government with monopoly money.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        I fully agree. I think the reasons whites are struggling to have as many kids as they would like has a lot to do with finances. And when I say finances, I don’t mean in the selfish sense, as if whites are wanting to wait until they are making 90,000, and have gotten a chance to travel the world, as well as buy a yacht. No, I mean finances in the sense of what is actually needed to get by and survive.

        I think we get a little too divisive in this movement when we go into gender issues such as feminism and men acting like wimps, and when we attribute that to why we aren’t reproducing. That may be part of the reason but it isn’t the whole reason. Instead of going at each other, male against female, we should be working together, realizing we are in the same boat as white people, and we have bigger fish to fry than each other. The US government is that bigger fish, and it is doing whatever it can to overtax us to where we can’t afford but one or two kids by the time we are in our late thirties.

        It is a really sad situation. I’m angry.

        • ViktorNN

          Have to agree with your comment, and thanks for making it. Your comment about white men and women working together is spot on.

          My 2 cents is that a strong pro-white movement needs to differentiate itself from this “men’s movement” and “women’s movement” stuff rather than aligning with one side or the other. Our enemies love to see white men and women fighting these futile battles of the sexes.

          I suggest working towards a philosophy where the white family is the lens through which “men’s and women’s issues” are resolved. It’s a philosophy which takes the family – or as you say, men and women working together – as the spiritual core of the movement, and then, on a practical level re-educates so many white people who have lost their way in things like what a healthy relationship is, how to find a mate, the importance of marriage, how to stay together, how to build a healthy home and family, etc.

          Whatever our movement is, the white family must be at the heart of it. Marriage, having children, and family life aren’t just nice things to aspire to – they are the healthiest, and most fulfilling ways for white people to live.

          • MBlanc46

            What you suggest is only feasible if sex difference, which is hundreds of millions of years old is less fundamental than race difference, which is only tens of thousands of years old.

        • JohnEngelman

          The US government is that bigger fish, and it is doing whatever it can to
          overtax us to where we can’t afford but one or two kids by the time we are in our late thirties.

          It is a really sad situation. I’m angry.

          – CourtneyfromAlabama

          You have reason to be angry, Courtney. I suggest, however, that the problem is not taxes. The problem is an economy that shifts gross income upward, and Republican tax cuts for the rich that shift net income upward even more.

          Since 1980 real after tax income for the richest one percent of the United States has increased dramatically, while for at least half of the population it has declined.

          http://investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=971&mn=389436&pt=msg&mid=10153698

          Increasingly corporations raise profits not by increasing the number of customers, but by cutting pay rolls, pay checks, and employee benefits.

          Nevertheless, many whites who are economically stressed feel that to direct their resentment at rich whites marks them as poor losers. They feel that to direct their hostility at non whites makes them defenders of the white race and Western civilization.

    • crystalevans

      People tend to marry after they have established their careers and have money in the bank. Most families today are two income families because two incomes are needed to support the family.

      • MBlanc46

        One reason that most families need two incomes is that over the past fifty years women have poured into the labor market, increasing supply and decreasing price (i.e., wages). Before the war, there was considerable support for a “family wage” for men, a wage that would allow a man to support a family in which the woman could keep the home and raise the children.

    • a multiracial individual

      After the children are in first grade what is the point in the wife staying at home?

      • AutomaticSlim

        Um…To supervise them. To make sure they don’t get in trouble. To make sure they don’t pick up bad habits or run with a bad crowd.

        For 120,000 years females stayed home while men went out and worked.
        Why on earth would you think that something so tried and true would be wrong?
        Do you really think the US is a is a better place now than 1955?
        Even for blacks, the answer has to be “no”.

        • a multiracial individual

          The fact that a particular human behavior is very old is not a very good argument. There are tons of prehistoric human behaviors that we would get rid of right now if we could. I am not saying there is anything wrong with women staying at home. My mother stayed at home for a while when I was a young lad. If I ever make decent money, my future wife will enjoy a life at home. Of course, I do not think that when a wife stays at home it is intrinsically better either. This is especially true, when the husband is a kind of tyrant. Money gives women leverage, and that scares a lot of people. I see no problem with a woman being independent, or at least 50% of the leadership in a house.

          • AutomaticSlim

            In the cases of American divorce, women have 100% of the leverage. Especially when kids and child support are concerned.
            Even when the women work, they still get ridiculous divorce settlements.
            Is society better off? I think not.

            As far as some men being tyrants, I would agree only if you are speaking about the “alpha male” types. These guys are the loud, aggressive, muscular
            jerks that the majority of White females seem to flock to these days. If they would seek out intelligent, decent, quiet, hard working “nice guys”, being dominated by a tyrant would never be an issue. It is their own fault when they end up with alpha jerks, and I have absolutely no sympathy for them when things turn bad.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            I was agreeing with you until I got to your third paragraph. You sound like the type who reads Roger Devlin’s stuff. That man seems to only focus on what women are doing wrong in relationships and not what men are doing wrong. If a lot of white people are remaining single today, then that is the fault of both genders in different ways, not just white women. I am always amazed at how some men on here go on and on about how the phenomenon of the white bachelor is entirely the fault of white women. I don’t buy it.

          • bigone4u

            Look up the name Karen Owen. She’s the Duke University student who posted her Duke University “thesis” online, a satirical document which details her sex life and her mentality toward males. In my experiences as a college professor I knew many like her. She was a bit more restrained though because she’s a preacher’s daughter. She only had 13 one night stands during her four years at Duke. Most females today have many more than that. All of her sex was with alpha athletes.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Hmmmm, you sure do have an odd an interesting way of providing us with what passes for anecdotal evidence during these discussions. Sorry, I am not sold or convinced after reading your post.

          • mlowejazz

            I think this phenomena is referred to as the 80/10 rule, 80% of women being attracted to 10% of the men who are labeled “alpha males”, and occurs in many mammalian species. In nature, the alpha males of some species generally run the other males out of town, so that would be big difference when compared to humans. To an extent, it is the fault of both sides. Men who make this claim will generally overlook the less physically appealing women. Overweight white females will seek other “options”, but I suppose the responsibility of not losing self control in a diet can be another argument for later.

          • MBlanc46

            In the past, humans followed something like this. The general difference in size between human males and females indicates that in or environment of evolutionary development only about half the males were able to reproduce. Somewhere along the line, we adopted more monogamous mating. We seem to be reverting to the earlier condition.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            It IS better. Always. It allows the wife to concentrate on her children and family instead of the working world. She can devote her time and energy to raising her children and being involved in their lives, rather than coming home exhausted while the kids are raised by day care or babysitters or other strangers that don’t give a damn about them.

          • NM156

            What kid is raised by strangers or babysitters after the kids start school?

          • Bad_Mr_Frosty

            49%, at most

            The ideal, in my opinion, is for the woman to study at home and possibly work part-time until the youngest child is 16. Once the kids are independent individuals they don’t need constant supervision. The woman can now focus on her career and has years of study and possibly part-time work experience. I think it’s the best of both worlds, use your most fertile years for the family and your older/wiser years for your career.

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          I would love to stay at home as a mom. Unfortunately, that isn’t an option for most white families these days due to financial issues.

          • Mr Plankton

            I disagree, most married white families these days most certainly could choose for the wife to stay at home if they chose to do so. I’m not saying that their finances wouldn’t suffer or that it would be easy but as long there is food on the table and a roof over their heads. It could be done. Most white families where I live are more concerned with keeping up with the Jones’ than having their wife stay at home and doing what is right. Men as well as women are guilty of this.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Okay, I agree with you. I am not saying that the woman staying at home isn’t ideal, so I really don’t understand why I got a thumbs down from someone. As I said, I myself would love to.

            All I am saying is that in this movement, a lot of people have way too high expectations set on white women these days, and we are getting an unfair amount of the blame. There are all sorts of reasons why women are having to reproduce less these days, and a lot of it has to do with our government overtaxing us, etc….. A lot of the other problems stem from mutual sources (both men and women), and not just women.

          • Mr Plankton

            Ok, but I would guess that most white men in this movement also have very high expectations of themselves and when we’re increasingly marginalized we tend to lash out at those that we feel have failed us. I’m not sticking up for the men on here that you feel are laying all the blame at the feet of white women. I don’t think you could find very many men here that honestly believe that white women are solely to blame. However, we all have faults. Just because a man is pointing out the faults of women in today’s society, doesn’t mean that he’s absolving himself of responsibility. You’ve pointed out that today’s white man is not assertive enough and lots of us are buying into the alpha male mumbo jumbo or whatever. I agree with you, all men have faults and lots of them. Ultimate responsibility lies with the men however. Men know that, women know that. Men are responsible for their women and their children. I don’t think that there is anyone here that would disagree with me. Women have a huge responsibility as well, You have or will be carrying the next generation of our race. You decide whom you will marry or not marry and who will father your children. Will he be a good, strong white male or something else?

            At the end of the day, we’re on the same team, with the same goal. Preserving our race and making the world a better place for our children, as corny as that sounds. Also I’m sorry someone down voted your previous comment. Don’t be so hyper-sensitive when someone points out the faults of women. You’re not responsible for white women, just yourself. You not participating in our discussions only subtract from it. Good day : )

        • NM156

          No stay-at-home mother will prevent a kid from hooking up with a bad crowd. All the white, hardcore gangbangers of the post-industrial era in my city had stay at home mothers all the way through high school. In addition, the non-delinquent kids were busy until early evening. Active older kids don’t hang around mommy after sixth grade. Mothers who stay at home too long are meddling nitwits. Trust me-I was the product of one. Fortunately she went to work full time when I was a Sophomore.

          • AutomaticSlim

            “be subjected to some half-crazed harpy without a driver’s license obsessed with pinching nickels and dimes in the family budget.”

            Now that’s a fact!!! I can’t argue with that one! And I am “lmao” right now!

      • ViktorNN

        Public schools get out at around 2 PM. If both parents are working the typical 40 or 50 hr/wk US job, then this means the child is being held in an after school care program from 2 to 6 PM. The typical after school program is staffed by low wage young adults who make sure the kids don’t kill each other, and that’s about it.

        If that’s the way some people want to do things, then that’s their choice, I suppose. In my experience, the people who handle childcare this way do it because they have to, not necessarily because they want to. Typically what I’ve heard is that they “don’t feel like they’re a family until the weekends.” The children complain about never seeing their parents. Both moms and dads agonize about never seeing their kids, and spend a lot of time undoing negative behavior that gets taught in these lord of the flies environments.

        Meanwhile, the families with stay at home moms (or dads) are picking up the kids and taking them to music classes, gym classes, or having small supervised playdates at people’s houses where parents build ties between families. Or even simply running errands and helping to run the household like doing chores and helping to make dinner.

        Bottom line is this: there are no shortcuts in high investment parenting.

      • Mr Plankton

        My wife is homeschooling our children, so I think her getting a job would be counterproductive. My wife and I believe that the government is the enemy. Therefore, we’re not going to turn over to the enemy, the children we’ve been entrusted with by God to educate. Our government hates white people. Yet many white people choose to hand their kids over to that same government day after day to be ‘educated’. Then we complain because the government makes eunuchs of our boys and pimps out our girls. When we leave this world, our children are our legacy. I want my kids to reflect what I choose, not what the Government deems appropriate. I’m not rich by any means and there are some months that we struggle to make ends meet, but to us and every wife that is a stay at home mom or home-schooler. To us, it’s a matter of where our priorities lie.

        We feel that rearing our kids the way we want, being able to teach that the government is not this great benevolent entity that you can always count on to look after our best interests, this diversity hogwash. liberated sex or whatever the du jour crap the DOE is pushing in any particular school year is more important than driving a new car, living in a bigger house, going out to eat every night or whatever. I believe the benefits of doing it this way will be seen when my children are adults or at least I hope so. Delayed Gratification, nowutimsayin?

        Men are the head of the household, that means you are ultimately responsible for the actions of your wife and your children. If your wife is not acting in a way that pleases you, it is your responsibility to make sure that you work with her so that she is on the same page with you. I’m not advocating abuse in any situation. If your kids are misbehaving, it’s your responsibility to correct it. I was married at 24 and I am now 38. We got married, shotgun style, if you catch my drift, so I’m not an expert on anything except how NOT to do things. I’m still learning the correct ways, and I’m still making mistakes.

  • JackKrak

    Too many whites are now at a point that blacks reached long ago – 2 or 3 generations in families where kid comes first & marriage comes later (if at all)…..
    It’s not the abnormal occurence of one family on a block, like it was when I was a kid – it’s the new normal for kids who don’t know any different & who have at least one parent who was just like them

    • MBlanc46

      It used to be considered shameful. Now, the single mother is the icon of the age.

      • fakeemail

        Its the icon of matriarchal primitivism and a gradual return to the jungle.

      • Felix_M

        Time to call men and women who behave like Madonna and Magic Johnshon what our parents and grandparents would have called them “sluts.”

        • MBlanc46

          That train has left the station. We’re going to see more, not fewer, out-of-wedlock births. Technology and the state have made it possible for women to reproduce without tying themselves to a man, and that’s what they will do.

  • a multiracial individual

    [“Culturally, young adults have increasingly come to see marriage as a
    ‘capstone’ rather than a ‘cornerstone’ – that is, something they do
    after they have all their ducks in a row, rather than a foundation for
    launching into adulthood and parenthood,” the report states.]

    This is certainly how Jews and Asians see marriage and children.

    Also, I’m sure the increase in the Hispanic population has NOTHING AT ALL to do with first birth now being lower than first marriage.

  • JohnEngelman

    In traditions there is often wisdom, even when the wisdom is not fully understood by those defending the traditions. The tradition of restricting sex to marriage is one of these.

    The sexual revolution, which was promoted during the 1960s and 1970s by Hugh Hefner, Helen Gurley Brown, and others had a compelling argument: non marital sex is fun; modern birth control methods and antibiotics separate it from serious consequences.

    Unfortunately, the sexual revolution has lead to a significant increase in the number of children who are not raised by both biological parents living together in matrimony. These children have many more problems in life. They are more likely to practice various social pathologies, even when race and income are controlled for.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      I personally believe the sexual holocaust – er, revolution – has a lot to do with idiot whites confusing black hypersexuality with their own. They see these people, who are “just like us”, living a brutal r-style reproductive existence and tragically assume this is acceptable.

      Personally I find it a major turn off.

      Eugenics could raise the average black IQ considerably in a short time.

      • AutomaticSlim

        And don’t forget the effects of busing and other forms of forced integration.
        Their sick culture, helped along greatly by the American Media, infected out once healthy one.

        • JohnEngelman

          “An American Dilemma: The Negro Problem and Modern Democracy,” was written by Swedish Nobel-laureate economist Gunnar Myrdal, and published in 1944. It was a major inspiration of the civil rights movement.

          Gunnar Myrdal argued that when racial discrimination came to an end blacks would behave as well as whites. What has happened is that whites emulated blacks, and black behavior got worse in ways that have always been characteristic of blacks.

          • MBlanc46

            That was certainly the dominant belief among well-meaning whites when I was young. It took me quite awhile to come to the view that it’s just not so. Many whites haven’t made that move yet, but I believe that more and more will be doing so.

      • JohnEngelman

        The sexual revolution was advanced by the civil rights movement, and by the response to the War in Vietnam. Each of these discredited traditional morality, and made it seem suspect in other areas as well.

      • concernedcollegekid

        Good to see you posting regularly again NeanderthalDNA, I really enjoy your writing style…

        I think there are whites who see it as cool to be promiscuous and who feel compelled to pretend that casual sex affects them less than it really does, emotionally. As a girl, you sometimes get mad at yourself for feeling “oversensitive” in sexual situations where it makes sense to feel that way. I hate it when people say “oh, we have a rape culture” (because the third world has way more of a rape culture than we do) but I think we have a culture that has de-sanctified sex and tried to de-emotionalize it in a way that is just not a natural way for most intelligent white people – especially women – to think about it. Also, white men are both emasculated by pervasive anti-white-male feminism AND forced into a sexual culture that glorifies the r-style sexuality of black men, and I think this confuses them with regard to how they should treat women in general. And white women are confused about who they should be attracted to because black men come off as too sexually aggressive whereas white men either emulate blacks or act like total feminized wimps. It’s like, genuine manliness combined with chivalry and respect for women is gone. Either men are super promiscuous or they’re feminized wimps. Neither of those categories of men has a desire to care for or protect women and women who don’t feel protected and cared for by men are (often subconsciously, I believe) motivated to become angry feminists. Which makes sense. If men don’t support women, women have to support themselves.

        I’m speaking in generalities here and I know there are good men out there with the right attitudes. A lot of them, in fact. I’m not saying all men are bad. I’m more talking about what strikes me as a general trend.

        • Bad_Mr_Frosty

          Wow, how old are you? Very insightful.

          The new trend is one of Alphas and Betas. “Alpha” men have multiple girlfriends and generally use women as they see fit. These guys sometimes hook-up with a professional woman and live off of her career and cheat on them whenever they like. “Beta” men believe in the “equality” BS and they struggle to keep girlfriends and generally get used and abused by women.

          The old system kept this trend at bay

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        Black hypersexuality has been shoved down our throats by the media. Blacks are FALSELY presented as virile, masculine, intelligent and desirable while white males are shown as wimps, losers and morons.
        Those who control the media are anti-white and it is a part of their sick program to promote the genocide of the white race through miscegenation.

        • MBlanc46

          This isn’t talk-show blather, it’s biology. J. Philippe Rushton summarizes the data very nicely in Race, Evolution, and Behavior.

    • MBlanc46

      The sexual revolution was in important ways an effect, not a cause. Women wanted to break away from marriage. One of the ways that they did this was extramarital sex, hence the sexual revolution.

      • JohnEngelman

        The sexual revolution was built around male inclinations. Women by nature are less likely to enjoy casual sex with multiple partners.

        • MBlanc46

          Men might think that they benefited from the sexual revolution, but it was not men who were the motivating force behind it. On the ideational level, it wasn’t Hugh Hefner that made the sexual revolution, it was Simone de Beauvoir, Betty Friedan, and Helen Gurley Brown. And the inventors of the oral contraceptive played a major part.

      • Bad_Mr_Frosty

        More like a small group of angry women convinced women as a whole that marriage was “oppression”. Most women were happy with the existing system, but the media, schools and government told them they would be happier without it. Surveys show that women today are less happy and have more mental issues than in the 50’s.

        • MBlanc46

          I find it hard to accept that a small minority convinced ordinary women that they were unhappy in marriage. The overwhelming desertion by women of the traditional family and the fact that two thirds of divorces are initiated by women a strong reasons for thinking that women found (and find) marriage to be restrictive.

      • fakeemail

        HYPERGAMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look it up friends, and begin a new journey down the rabbit hole…Suffice to say, women aint monogomous by nature any more than men are.

  • Luca

    The healthiest, best adjusted kids come from stable, two-parent families where the mother stays home to raise the kids and doesn’t work until they are grown. Curiously I have never seen a study done on this

    • NeanderthalDNA

      “Curiously I have never seen a study done on this”

      Then how can you be sure? But I suspect you are correct. I’m sure there’s something out there, regardless.

      • I say this respectfully, but we Don’t need a study. We have decades of anecdotal evidence of how kids tuned out before and after feminism and liberalism took hold of this country. Just look around.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          I agree. Still nice to have the numbers, if possible. Gotta document lest a critical mass of clever idiots and antinomianists ideologize up a big lie. Based on the last 5 decades of history, I think it’s good to have the proof on the table.

          But yeah, in general, no duh, eh?

      • a multiracial individual

        I have not seen any causal evidence….

      • Felix_M

        It hasn’t been studied extensively because children from a two parent family used to be the norm.

    • starlight

      There are fewer and fewer “full time” or “guaranteed” jobs, and if there are, our government makes sure they will all be given to black men, and it is becoming increasingly difficult for only the daddy to properly support a family financially

      • Luca

        It depends on your definition of “properly”. Sacrificing for your children is a privilege that pays dividends in the long run. You may have to forego a few luxuries but having the mom in the home to raise the kids is priceless and the way it was meant to be.

        • NM156

          The fact is, however, that women need to go to work in order to provide 2-3 children with everything they need, which now includes sky-high medical insurance, cars, and money for post-HS vocational school or college. Where I live, only a professional male in the highest tax bracket (or penultimate tax bracket) could possibly pay for a middle-class family existence by himself. Really, women don’t need to stay home until the kids are out of HS; returning to work when the kids are settled into grammar school full time suffices for the kids’ development anyway. I can’t recall coming home before 6 PM after sixth grade because of sports, music, etc.

          • Luca

            There is a difference between ‘need’ and ‘want’. Do you need all those new clothes, eating out, vacations, bigger house, best neighborhood, gym membership, big SUV, etc. etc. There is a thing in life called being frugal, it may not be fashionable but again, to sacrifice for your kids it is worth it. Forgo a few material things for yourself and your kids and you’ll both be better off.

            The husband needs to find a good job or profession so he can be the sole breadwinner of the family.

            You need to be creative and not follow the herd. If you find you absolutely must have more income there are things a woman can do from home to earn some extra cash (babysit), or the husband can work a second part-time job too.

            If the kids want to go to college than they can work part-time or go into the military.

          • Themistocles

            The problem with “sacrificing” for your kids is if you and your wife work around the clock who is raising the kids? That is right, daycare, the schools, tv, and their friends. The common trope in the later 20th century is the suburban father, a mere bread winner, who sees his children reach adulthood and does then doesn’t understand “his” kids. Because the truth is they aren’t his, he provided the genetic material and the physical goods, but the system formed their minds and souls. This actually runs contrary to all previous tradition.

          • Rick

            Right! And with Obama preaching universal preschool for 4 year olds, our masters are trying to get the children earlier and earlier to further entrench their indoctrination efforts. So, let’s destroy a nation shall we? Here are some fun ways: print money out of control thereby devaluing the currency while costs rise simultaneously, take mother out of the home with the fantasy of a fulfilling career, thereby taking viable jobs away from husbands, allow hordes of illegal aliens to flood what’s left of the job market which depresses wages and forces families to NEED two or three jobs just to survive. After that, destroy the concept of male and female, so that male becomes female and female becomes male, destroy religion as a moral foundation and say that all things are equal and that there is no definitive right or wrong, destroy the concept of marriage, which should evolve into families as the basic foundation of a stable society, mix in too many dissimilar people groups to create more tension and Voilà, 21st Century United States of America courtesy of the global elite.

            Sorry, I got carried away….

          • NM156

            You’re living in 1962, my friend! : )

          • Guest

            Good news-Lil Wayne’s aight after his weed-and-cough syrup seizures earlier this week: http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/15/showbiz/lil-wayne-seizure/index.html

          • NM156

            You’re living in 1962, my friend! : )

    • John

      Blacks, Mestizos, and Muslims are a cancerous blight on our society and civilization. The cancer is spreading and it’s lethal. The Whites in the U.S. government who enable them are nothing more than parasites.

      • Luca

        Those “Whites” you refer to are better known as Liberals.

        • John

          It looks like the moderator did not approve of me saying that minorities are a like a cancerous blight on society and that the cancer they represent is lethal and it’s spreading. Or was it my assertion that the Whites in government who enable minorities are parasites.
          I’m not sure what’s wrong with saying any of that, because it’s completely true and factual. Every metric in existence measurably proves that Blacks and Browns severely harm civilization, whether we are talking about violent crime, non-violent crime, STDs, illegitimate birth rates, intelligence, truancy, welfare, or any other anti-social problem, Blacks rank first and Browns rank second in ALL categories. Their cancerous presence diminishes the quality of life for Whites and kills White society. What’s wrong with saying that?
          Regarding “Liberals,” I think that those on the left in the government have gone far beyond liberalism. I see them as Marxists, egalitarians, socialists, communists, and fascists. They are parasites because they trade their votes for their perks and power. They leech from conservative White taxpayers to fund their lives. What’s wrong with saying that?

    • MBlanc46

      The Manhattan Institute does a lot of research on that sort of topic. They might very well have something.

    • ViktorNN

      There are plenty of stats out there to be found showing that children of divorced families or children from single parent households do worse by every measure, compared to two-parent married homes. There’s no controversy over these facts at all.

      What is controversial, however, is pointing these facts out. See, to point out that there are better and worse ways to raise children hurts peoples feelings. They call it “stigma” and “passing judgment.” It’s more important that some ghetto mom and her brood not get their feelings hurt rather than educating parents-to-be that marriage and two-parent households will make a huge positive impact in the quality of life for their children.

    • a multiracial individual

      You are going to have a diffcult time establishing cause. The well adjusted children could simply be biologically wired to be amiable. If that is so, this trait would be present in the parents as well, it would be a trait that makes maintaining a marriage less diffcult.
      Conversely, people that aggressive and prone to conflict will struggle in marriage, these unfortunate characteristics could be biologically handed down to their children as well.

    • StillModerated

      Look through James Dobson’s Focus on the Family website. He has talked about this topic on his radio show for years. George Barna has no doubt ran statistics on it, too.

  • Anon

    A completely dishonest report. The truth is that large numbers of men are no longer getting married because the state intrudes into marriage to such an extent and mind control in the media interferes with women to such an extent that a traditional marriage is impossible…..or, at least, extremely, extremely unlikely.

    A marriage is supposed to involve three people. A man, a woman, and to an extremely limited degree, the church. Intrusion by the state is a relatively recent thing and has become more and more negative. These days, because of how western countries interfere with marriage, they are extremely unstable. With a phone call, a man can have all of his rights suspended (did he ever actually have any), be driven out of his home, permanently barred from ever being a father again and pillaged of all his belongings. Increasingly, women are buying in to the idea that this is not only a positive thing but a major goal in life.

    It wouldn’t be so bad except most “men” buy into this and smugly watch other men’s lives destroyed….until, of course, it is their turn. And no….it’s not all marriages. But it is the vast majority of marriages now.

    So, like so many things whites are forced to do, we become criminals in reproduction. We have children outside of wedlock. We hide our assets. We poison the well by responding to predatory behavior by women by becoming unemployed and allowing them to suck it on no income.

    The most extreme of us don’t even consider breeding with women from the western world. We choose a spouse from various cultures where disobedience to men and to the female role is unthinkable. And yes, a great deal of miscegenation is involved (the smarter of us date women from eastern europe) but let me tell you something about that. The genetics of white western women is looking very bad these days. Miscegenation is a bad thing from the point of view from the race with superior genes. White people can no longer claim such superiority…..and that is the bottom line. Our women are fat, ugly, stupid and, the ultimate sin, non-fertile. And they are jerks about it. Any man who takes a woman from another race where the traits she has are superior to the average is improving, the race, no degrading it.

    But that isn’t even the most extreme thing white men from the western world are doing. I’m noticing the number of frank ex-pats going up and up and up. Where are these men going?

    To countries where divorce and abortion are illegal and if someone cheats with your wife, you can have them hanged over it. Their lives are FAR better than OUR lives.

    Something to reflect on.

    • Katherine McChesney

      My white church is filled with normal college educated two parent families. The wife stays home to raise the children. Once they are grown, the mother works. My church is the exception to the rule. The members are beautiful white people. The only time I’ve seen blacks there is when the church has special programs or there are black women who work in the nursery.

      • Guest

        And your church also is empty of the men who through various means have been deprived of education and careers. And empty of their wives and children too. In the case of the children, they don’t even exist in the first place. Never were born.

    • Nate Miller

      Such true words never spoken before on Amren. Kudos, you speak for most of us, friend. I live in Indiana and like most American states, the vast majority of white women are fat and rather unattractive if not downright hideous. I don’t even look at blacks.
      It is ironic, because I have lived in other parts of the world and I’ve seen more Lebanese Catholic girls in South Lebanon, Iranian or even Israeli Jewish girls who are far more attractive, physically fit and smart than the average white girls in the south and mid west.

      I agree, eastern European women, Italian and Spanish women are extremely feminine and beautiful. Most of our American girls look NOTHING like those phony bimbos in Hollywood. Ladies and Gentlemen, cut the flab, decrease the meat and fattening foods, go vegetarian and adopt healthier foods and lifestyles. Stay away from junk food. And for Pete’s sake exercise!

      • AutomaticSlim

        “Iranian or even Israeli Jewish girls who are far more attractive”

        Really???

        That “Leah Michele” kid (Sephardic Jew, I think) is a real “woofer”.
        And the Iranian girls don’t wear those masks because it is cold over there.

        We had this somewhat fun conversation a couple of weeks ago.
        Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

        • MBlanc46

          Iranian women wear the veils because the morality police will run them in if they don’t.

        • Nate Miller

          Lebanese Maronites, are Catholics and so the Islamic veil does not apply to them. The Israelis, at least the new generation seem to have taken the best of 3 or more races and they look beautiful in more than just an exotic way. As for the Persians, well they are the original descendants of the ancient Aryans and many of their girls are breathtakingly gorgeous. Overall, along with Slavic Europeans and Latin/ Mediterranean Europeans, I found Lebanese Maronite women to be the most beautiful in the world.
          Another plus point about women in Europe and Asia is the fact that they eat healthy ( lots of vegetables, grains & fruits vs meat/ cheese/ soda pop like in America) and exercise well. Most of them are slim and beautiful with soft smooth skin and have good hygene. The same cannot be said about many American women – and I also include the white ones .

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            See, this is another example of a post that loses credibility because you are accusing American women of something that American men are guilty of as well. What you are saying is true, to a degree, but it is not as if white men aren’t partaking in the American diet also.

          • Nate Miller

            Well it is the beginning of truth! Surely you don’t me to chant sugarcoated lies just to enhance your fragile self esteem. Also I ostracize both men and women here in America for our horrible diet – too much meat, processed food with harmful toxins and chemicals, and a high carb/ fattening diet eg: Cheese, Soda Pop, Sugary foods etc. Go to a Pizza Hut in Israel, India, East Asia, Europe and Brazil….you will notice that they use less Cheese, more veggies and non-processed meat. I have also noticed that the food is much better in nations like the middle east, India, Thailand, Spain, South America and Europe. A lot more tastier and healthier than the rubbish that is used as food here. Sometimes, I wish I was posted overseas with the US air force. But unfortunately those days are over.

            And so, while the Asians create a super high IQ genius level new generation, we rear fat, stupid, bland losers who listen to crummy rap/ hip hop/ emo-rock, thrash metal and idolize no talent morons like Justin Bieber, Kate Perry, Oprah Winfrey and keep voting that Kenyan in the white house. Way to go America. Here is a great example of what I mean:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16K6m3Ua2nw

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        “you speak for most of us”

        Neither you nor Anon speak for me or anyone else I know. You are an enemy of the white race.

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          Well said Quinn, these men who trash white women the way Nate Miller and Anon both do, are nothing less than enemies of the race. I am very disturbed that there aren’t more males on here calling them out. I guess our race doesn’t have a future at all. Why do I bother?

          • MBlanc46

            That is, you’re asking for White Knights to jump to the defense of a damsel in distress.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Most of these discussions are started by men trashing white women. If it were the reverse, I would be calling the women out just as I am doing with the men. I am not asking for men to come to the defense of women who act like feminists, but the fact of the matter is that I don’t see much man hating and feminism going on on these websites. As women we just come on here because we admire white men and their achievements and we would like to be respected to at least some degree in return.

          • MBlanc46

            It’s not a matter of feminism and non-feminism, it’s a matter of fundamental irreconcilable interests between men and women. Although issues of race and sex have some overlaps, they’re essentially independent. They will be resolved, if at all, independently.

        • Nate Miller

          Nonsense! How do I become the “enemy of the white race” for complimenting and rightly so the outstanding beauty of our fellow Caucasians in Latin America/Mediterranean Europe, Slavic Europe & the near east? Besides, what I posted is 100% true.

          Compared to the previous generations, white women today, especially, in the south & the mid west are very unattractive (fat, sloppy, poorly dressed etc). Compare white American women to white women in Europe and you will see a world of a difference. Plus many American women don’t have a sense of fashion/ Haute Couture.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Wow, I find it very interesting that you single out the South as being a place where women are unattractive. Isn’t that what liberals do also? You must not come to the South very often.

          • Nate Miller

            Well I have been in the south. Fatties, fatties and fatties. Don’t worry, my home state of Indiana is not far behind. This seems to be a mid western/ southern trend. Girls in places like New York, California, Connecticut & the new England area on the contrary are on an average extremely beautiful and physically fit. The only place where I saw very attractive women was in south Florida ( Miami). I speak in general terms.

            I spent considerable time in Europe and Asia, before marriage. The white women on an average in Europe ( Italy, Spain, France, Eastern Europe, Greece) are exceptionally beautiful. Needless to say, they live on a much healthier diet – lots of veggies, much lesser amount of meat & carbs, more fruits, fish, green vegetables, wine and almost zero fried stuff.On every corner as a dame walks by your heart skips a beat and you just fall in love. Not only are they more romantic, artistic, better dressed, fashionable & sophisticated in their savoir-faire, they are better conversationalists too.

            One can enjoy a great conversation about science, general knowledge, history, culture, politics and music in any European pub or inn. However, in the United States, ignorance and lack of sophistication is considered an honor. I hate to say this but people in the mid west and south in general are insular and to them the whole world is America, the bald eagle, guns, bibles, strip clubs, bash the homosexuals, Sarah Palin or some other conservative icon and TV sports. That is how far a conversation goes. And, I am no liberal myself. It is just my cultural observation which I thought I could share.

          • Mr Plankton

            Dude, that’s a pile of garbage. The south has some of the most beautiful women in the world. That’s not to say that there are not fat, unattractive men and women down here, but where is there not? The majority of our southern women do not look or act like Honey boo boo’s mama. Fat and/or unattractive white people can be found everywhere. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    • Hal K

      I was agreeing with you until you said that Western women were genetically inferior. They have a cultural problem for sure, but if you are white and you think that white women are genetically inferior then you are not really an advocate for your people.

    • Diamond_Lil

      Plenty of us American women are beautiful, sexy, loving, intelligent and fertile. But you have to measure up too, Mr. Man. The whole “disobedience to a man” thing? Please. My husband and I have disagreed with each other on plenty of occasions over more than a decade and a half. But like rational, mature adults, we talk it over. If you want blind obedience, get a dog. Events are becoming more precarious every day. Pitting American men against American women will not serve our cause well.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      Thank you for summarizing why I don’t enjoy the atmosphere on this website. There are too many men like you who dismiss white women as unworthy rejects, and who insist that white men are by no means part of the problem at all. I guess our race really doesn’t have a future. I am sick of this negativity, and constant white female bashing. You are part of the problem, sir.

      • trollsy

        I agree,Courtney.As long as our own damn men pick us apart,we are not advancing at all.I wish I did not have to work but I do,..My husband and I balance our schedules so one of us is always with the kids.How is that wrong?If we did not have that extra income we would not be able to live in a fairly decent area,that is safe for my daughters and that is not saturated with crime and undesirables.and we are NOT one of those nauseating “white achiever” families who live in a McMansion and own new cars and need my income to pay for the golf club fees and piano lessons.We truly live month to month,week to week.

    • NM156

      Cut “the church” out of that list, and I’d agree. Priests in my parish and grammar school were indeed interested in us-interested in getting us out of our pants in the confessional or in the basement of the rectory.

    • Andy

      The white race cannot survive without both men and women. Both groups have messed up. We need to work to restore harmony between the sexes, not insult and abandon each other.

  • JG

    Kay Hymowitz.

  • Triarius

    Most twenty-something guys like myself that I know that are married are miserable. Whether their wife comes from a rich, poor, liberal, conservative, has a degree, etc. they all stopped working once they got married and had a kid. I kid you not, out of ten of my closest married friends, not one has a working wife. They are all mean, and a few are abusive and cheat (the women).

    I know this is not all women, but this is definitely a good median for people my age. Because of this, all my friends that aren’t married refuse to get married. Have a kid? Maybe some will later on, but they tell me they will not sign a marriage license.

    Feminism has killed marriage for my generation. Again, this is not ALL marriages, just pretty much every single one I know of. On the other hand, my immediate and distant family have a stellar track record, 29/30 are still on their first marriage and will probably never divorce, of course they are mostly older being mid-thirties and up.

    • Katherine McChesney

      I think you are exaggerating. For these women to behave like this they must have husbands who aren’t proper influences.

      • Triarius

        I assure you I am not exaggerating. I have nothing against women. All my past relationships have been healthy. I am young and optimistic and not a scorned divorced individual.

        I even know a girl that dropped out of med school in her last year because she got pregnant (rumor is on purpose) and her boyfriend proposed. Talk about a waste.

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          You seem like a good person, but I am going to sympathize with Katherine here. Neither she nor I are feminists, but we are both perhaps a little worn out from, and tired of, what seems to be, one sided blame in this movement, where men don’t seem to hold themselves accountable for anything.

          I have read your posts before, and you seem to have a good head on your shoulders. However, sometimes, it is hard not to overreact to comments, after years and years of being exposed to thousands upon thousands of rants from men in this movement making uncalled for exaggerations such as, “most white women sleep with blacks”, “most white women are sluts” etc…..

          I am currently debating a sorry excuse for a man over on The Political Cesspool website who is claiming that teenage preachers’ daughters who are promiscuous should be held accountable for their actions, and that the father isn’t to blame one bit, since women by nature behave this way anyways. Where do some of the men in this movement come up with this stuff?

          • Triarius

            There will always be a bias. I can point out the countless times I hear women blame men for poor marriages, and this thread and specifially, responses to me are proof; how many responses to me (my friends) did women say it is the man’s fault? All of them? Same goes with women my age being blamed for feminazism. And I agree about the scorned exes going crazy on here as well as the ones that rant about jungle fever. Go look at interracial marriage stats.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Okay, when you mention how responses to you on here are proof, I don’t understand what you are talking about. Nobody has said the blame is entirely on men. Nobody. We are just reacting to constant one sided attacks and blame on here, and we are understandably getting sick and tired of it.

            Although, however, men being the more capable gender, they should perhaps be getting a little more of the blame than women. If I were a man I would take that as a compliment, yet I am always amazed at the knee jerk reactions to that from men on these websites. It is as if men on here no longer believe that they are the gender who is able to do more both physically and mentally. We might as well start believing the feminist mantra that both genders are exactly alike.

            And then you mention interracial marriage stats. Again, what are you talking about? The last time I checked it was around 2% for both genders of our race who are even partaking in that?

          • Triarius

            I was in agreement about the interracial stats, whites stick to their own mainly, and women more than men.

            And plenty of posters said that the women in my friends’ lives act like this because the women were not directed correctly or whatever. Are men more capable? Yes…ish. right now white men have the lest amount of political power by far. The only way we will be more capable again on a national level is if we have a revolutionary war.

    • Fittac02

      This makes no sense…on one hand, you are complaining that the mothers stay at home and take care of the children instead of working depending on the husband to provide, and on the other hand you are complaining about feminism (woman being independent and working outside of the home). This type of mindset is typical in men today. They complain that women aren’t traditional enough and not feminine enough for them, and then they bitch and moan that women are lazy money grabbers who refuse to work. What exactly do you want?

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        It is most certainly a typical mindset of men in this movement, that is for sure. Men are the more capable gender both mentally and physically. I say that on here all the time. But if that is the case, then women getting blamed for all our race’s problems makes little sense to me at all. It is starting to be a real turn off to me, to the point where I spend less and less time on here. I am submissive to men who act like men; not men who whine and blame everything on women.

        • Bad_Mr_Frosty

          The problem is men. They are not acting in a manner that demands respect. I’m not saying they should be terrorizing or intimidating their women, but women instinctively respond to dominance. The media is teaching men to act like eunuchs and women are responding appropriately.

          Men need to learn how to channel their inner “alpha male”.

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          • Bad_Mr_Frosty

            Well yes, in the big scheme of things it is society’s fault for incentivizing the breakup of the family. Women have been the primary drivers of this trend. They vote mostly leftist and the current state of men is the result of their efforts for “equality”, indeed, they now have the feminized men they deserve.

            I don’t blame any individual woman for this, however. They have been brainwashed into believing what they are doing is in their best interests. The media, schools, and government tell them they should put their careers before their family and uninhibited sex is “freedom”. I believe women in general are slowly realizing they have been sold out by the feminists and society in general.

            As for men, an individual man cannot change all of society, he can only change himself. Until there is a major cultural shift, each man must do what is in his best interests. If this means mooching off a sugar-mamma or having a harem, so be it. If he wants the traditional situation it’s up to him to find a compatible woman and take care of business.

            This picture pretty much sums it up

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            With this post you are just continuing with the same mistake I originally criticized. How in the world can things be all or mostly the fault of white women? I failed to see anywhere in your post where you put any blame on men, other than the fact that they get feminized in response to women’s behaviors. What a pathetic statement.

            As for voting, I would like for someone to explain to me why, in conservative parts of the country, where strong men still exist, the women actually vote just as their men do. And it is not as if the men in blue states are voting Republican and Independent in droves. And did you even look at the statistics in the last election? 35% of white men for Obama….white women voted only 6 points higher than that. Yet, men in this movement are still going on about how white women put him in office. Very weak argument.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Great graphic, Mr. Frosty.

            This sums up how our race has been destroyed:

            http://reasonradionetwork.com/20080821/letter-to-the-white-race

          • Soyer5

            OK I’ll tell you what. Why don’t all of us men just give up and decide white women have ruined our race and that there is no hope? To tell you the truth I’m sick of everyone talking about how women are difficult because they are not dominated enough. I agree to an extent that it is in a man’s nature to dominate and to an extent it’s in a woman’s nature to be passive. But this has never been the case for all people and in all relationships. Like it or not there have always been opinionated and head strong women.

            Do you really believe that the biggest problem with white men and women is that men are not dominating women enough? could the problems have anything to do with men cheating like there is no tomorrow? Don’t tell me women cheat too. I know they do but men are far more likely to cheat and we all know it. Could it have anything to do with men ignoring their families, and living at work not caring about anything but their next promotion? Could they have anything to do with men knocking up women and then abandoning them, and never paying child support or even taking time to see the kids. Yeah sorry to say but some white guys do that too. Have we really not contributed at all to the rise of difficult women besides not being overbearing enough?

            Do any of you really care about where this movement goes? Or are you just a bunch of bitter baby boomers who are pissed off about how the younger generation is ruining the white race after your wonderful generation worked so hard to preserve it like open borders, legal abortions, no fault divorces, abolishment of segregation etc.

            I mean really in the sea of things that are causing the destruction of the white race you can think of no possible cause besides the fact that men do not dominate women enough? For those of you who say this crap are you sure your not just telling yourself these things to comfort yourself after your wife or girlfriend left you for being an unbearable asshole?

            I mean what the heck are white men supposed to do? Are we supposed to strip a woman naked and piss on her if she doesn’t have dinner ready when we get home? Is that what women really want?Are we supposed to slap our wives for being rude to our girlfriends?

            I really don’t care if I get banned because I think most of the people here are not truly committed to this movement and instead only want to blame someone else for the problems that our race faces.

            Regardless of what anyone thinks about me I do not believe in men throwing themselves at a woman’s feet but with all of the family poisons that men continue to indulge in like drugs, excessive alcohol, sex tourism, banging their secretaries and baby sitters or talking down to their wives for not being supermodels, yes that’s what I said men are too shallow today, in the past they were not as shallow as they are now. With all of these factors the only thing it seems that we can find as the cause of the destruction of the white race is the fact that men do not dominate women enough?

            Let me ask those men who keep saying this crap, have you ever cheated on your wife? Have you ever struck your wife? Or girlfriend? Have you ever had a bad day at work and came home and blew up at your wife because your spoiled baby boomer a$$ just couldn’t deal with it? Oh no don’t tell me women like that stuff right? Yeah that’s the problem not enough men treat their women like garbage. Have you ever looked in the mirror at your own self serving a$$.

            Do any of you realize that while their is a lot of race mixing going on white women are the least likely of all women to race mix? Does anyone ever say anything about that? And by the way when it comes to interracial marriage there is almost zero difference in the percentage of white men who race mix and the percentage of white women who race mix? That’s because while a lot of people may experiment with other races ( yes I know it’s disgusting) Most of them to include men and women ultimately choose a white partner for marriage. But if women are the guilty ones in our race then tell me gentlemen if any white female is reading any of your posts right now then can you not see how this is the last thing on earth that she will want to involve herself in?

            I don’t care who is pissed off by my post because this negativity and extreme attitude of defeatism is what is really killing our race.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          This gets to me too, Courtney. That and the Asian fetishism I see on here so often. We should be discussing how to save and preserve the white race, instead we get commenters, probably trolls, who rip apart white women and others who worship Asians. No wonder we’re a dying race.

          • soyer5

            Amazing how quickly something turns into an argument between men and women. Let me say that women are definitely not to blame for the problems with our race anymore than men are. Women today are brainwashed to believe that being housewives means that they are losers and have no ambition but men more and more are forgetting the importance of sacrifice and loyalty to their wives. Also call me crazy but I think there are times when men need to avoid having big heads and taking down to women. I say this because I think this kind of thing is a big thing that causes resentment in women.

            Please no one reply to me with a lecture about how women want to be controlled and degraded because its in their nature, and I’m not for a second suggesting that men should tip toe around women. I’m just saying women have always been opinionated and outspoken to an extent. These images that we see in movies of women not speaking unless spoken too and asking permission to think is just more media brainwashing that builds resentment in women and brainwashes men to think that real men are big headed jerks. Men and women were in many ways the same in the past as they are today, it’s just that women were not taught to hate men by fictional images on TV and men were not taught that real men are like the scum that we see on TV like Charlie from Two and a half men or AL from married with children.

        • Triarius

          Apparently you missed the part where I aid all my past relationships are healthy, I have a very successful family in the marriage department, and I remain optimistic. That doesn’t change the fact that all my friends’ wives are shrews. And I even pointed out that this was not the norm, but it is an ever increasing trend.

      • Sloppo

        I believe moms should stay home and raise the kids, but a huge number of stay-at-home moms really do fit what Triarius described. Few stay-at-home moms cook good food for their children like my mother did for me. We had a garden and we ate fresh vegetables. Today’s children eat “lunchables” and “hot pockets” and all manner of similar artificially created food-like substances. My mother’s generation studied home economics in high school and/or college, and those skills enabled those women to give their families a much higher standard of living using less money. Today’s women scoff at the idea of studying such things. It’s beneath them.

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          Yet another post where only women are getting blamed for bad home life and men aren’t blamed for anything at all. And where are a lot of you getting this garbage from? Most women in my age group (under 35) are happy stay at home moms, and I have all sorts of female friends of all political persuasions from all over the country.

          When I look at photos of their homes on Facebook, everything is neat and tidy, and organized. These women are always sharing home recipes and crafts that they have their kids doing also, and the current trend now seems to be eating healthy and as naturally as possible. This trend is actually the norm with my age group right now (making everything from scratch etc…).

          If you are going to trash 50% of the white race, then at least have it backed up with something reasonable. A lot of you are just rambling due to, perhaps, your own insecurities (this movement attracts a lot of these types of men), and so you choose to rant about on here of all places, when this is one of the worst places to be doing so. We need to be working together as a race and not dividing.

          • Sloppo

            Thank you very much for setting me straight, Courtney. Here is a link to an article which says pretty much the same thing I said. You should probably contact and set that author straight too and you shouldn’t feel any need to sugarcoat how you feel about it because she’s a woman. Everyone knows they’re usually not insecure like us men.

            http://www.etsy.com/blog/en/2011/the-value-of-home-economics/

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Well stated Courtney. The women haters and ranters here drive women away from and out of this movement – a movement which won’t go anywhere without white women. Worse are the idiots who go on about their fetish for Asian women. This is how a pro-white movement is destroyed. Whites are an endangered species and we have men who are bashing and abasing white women.

            Our enemies love this kind of stuff. After all their goal is the destruction of the white race. From the looks of this thread and others like it all they have to do is stand back, laugh, and watch us destroy each other.

          • Nate Miller

            Courtney, it is one thing to keep whining in each and every post that you compose, but it is quite another thing to actually introspect deeply, look at the facts and trends and then realize that there is more than an iota of truth to BadFrosty’s statements. White women ( not all) are getting blamed, maybe, just maybe, because they deserve to get blamed for the ills of our society & familial structure. Open your eyes and look at the attitude of women today! Shrew would be an understatement!

      • Triarius

        I am saying that once they got married and had a kid, the women got guarenteed child support and alimony if a divorce occurs. Some of my family members had this arrangement ahead of time and that is fine, but my friends’ wives just stopped working altogether and refuse to get a job even though they can and did. Some still send their kids to daycare or school and refuse to work while their husbands are working 70 hours a week.

      • Triarius

        It makes perfect sense. All my friends married women that pulled their own weight until a ring was put on their finger. Then they all turned into terrible people and my friends are miserable.

        What men want? A sane women. From my friends’ experiences their wives were all complete Jekyll and Hides.

    • Karen Frances

      Interesting to read this. My daughter is in law school and she worries that her prospective husband will want children soon after marriage while she is excited about working.

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        One of the reasons IVF has become so big is that women are delaying child bearing until they’re at the very end of their fertility, 35+. My neighbor had her first child at 40 after numerous miscarriages and several years of trying. She wants another one but 44 is pushing it. She tells me waiting so long was the biggest mistake she ever made in her life, her husband wanted several children and she wanted to work on her career.

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          Men are at fault for this also. It seems that throughout most of my twenties the men I dated have shown little interest in settling down and being committed to one woman. I agree that having kids in your 40’s is too old, but if more and more whites are having to settle down and pop out kids in their 30’s, I don’t think they should be ridiculed. And as I mention above, this phenomenon isn’t only the fault of white women by any means.

        • Karen Frances

          The point Triarius made so well is that no one is happy in those marriages. The young husband is “miserable” and being a stay-at-home Mom made the young wife “mean.” She wasn’t like that before.

          Being at home with children is not like the TV shows. Its always very isolating .They must have talked about the decision to have children but it sounds like the girl dominated that decision. I wonder why she wanted to do that rather than have some years of enjoying each other and going out places together. Very hard to go out with a small child and you probably shouldn’t try. Little children are happiest at home.

          • Triarius

            There’s no point to even try at this anymore, look at almost every post “that’s the man’s fault”.

            I share some real life examples, some good and some bad, and everyone focuses on only the bad and the women all claim it’s our fault, lol.

        • Alexandra

          She apparently bought into the lie that you can still have kids when you’re 40, as easily as at 20. We’re most fertile from our late teens to mid-20s according to this article I read. After 30 fertility declines. By 35 it’s halved, and it keeps going downhill.

          • Doug Russell

            Truth is women (girls) are fertile right after their first period. Societal norms have pushed the best child rearing years farther back than nature intended.

      • Triarius

        With my experiences with my friends the problems were that the women refused to work after a baby or even just marriage. If it is agreed upon that the woman stas home after the baby, so be it, half my family did that. If she wants to work, tell her to work. I’d never tell my wife she had to quit her job to be a mom.

        • Karen Frances

          Thats sad, Triarius. I think there must be a bit of a mental thing going on there with the girls, like “agoraphobia,” that they think they don’t want to be out in the world.

          To be honest, I encourage my daughter to have a balanced life. She has a nice boyfriend, a fellow student, and they have a nice time going out places. They don’t have a lot of money to spend and they take turns paying for things. I think its great. They talk about marriage and I hope they don’t have children for a long time so that they can go on enjoying their time together.

          This is tough to say but taking care of a child or children throws that balance out of whack. God bless people who can keep up with paid jobs and looking after children. I’ve seen it and its hard and I don’t want that for my daughter. Those situations are stressful and full of resentment for both parents. This is so politically incorrect and sad but its my honest feeling: The children made the couple’s lives worse.

          • Themistocles

            The whole college thing is a canard, training for jobs that are not easily available. Not to mention that they main job of university, to pass on Western Civilization, was lost in the 60’s. I know how it goes, people may get that good college relationship but the chances of both partners finding good jobs in their fields in the same geographical location after school? Very slim, added to the debt for undergrad, graduate/professional school, it’s not exactly like they can forget about that and get on with life.

  • JDInSanDiego

    As always, you need to break the stats down by race. The 75% of blacks born out of wedlock raise the average considerably, as do the hispanics.
    Likewise, more 13 and 14 year old blacks and hispanics are having babies which lowers the average age females first reproduce.
    And finally, what kind of academic nitwits would cook up a politically neutral term like the Great Crossover instead of just calling it a disgrace? Or how about the Great Slutification? Or the Great Third Worldification?

    • MBlanc46

      The average they’re using is the median (half above/half below) not the mean (add them all up and divide by the size of the sample), so the outliers such as 13-14 (or 43) don’t skew the figure so much.

  • tickyul

    The ONLY thing that will stop this HORRIBLE trend is to stop incentivizing it.
    If you are a woman without the means to raise a baby….you can just get preggers and you automatically qualify for Baby Momma Bennies.
    Just end ALL Baby Momma Bennies……… be able to raise the kid on your own dime…..or you lose custody.
    Trust me, most women would get the message very quickly.

    • IstvanIN

      This I agree with. It is absurd to consider a women “poor’ and eligible for welfare simply because she gave birth out of wedlock and has no job. While we should help the woman obtain support from her child’s father if he refuses to do so voluntarily, an able-bodied woman should get squat from the government. Let her mom and dad support her if she decides to have an illegitimate child.

      • tickyul

        Too bad the Libscum-Demorats need as many leeches in their pockets as possible….the system will only change for the worse.

  • dj2

    Both marriage and child bearing is down across the world, so to some extent, this is a universal phenomenon.

    But in America there are definitely interesting racial/class angles.

    Specifically, working and middle class whites (and others such as asians and wealthier immigrants) are being squeezed by money printing and by ceaseless demands by the blacks and continuing immigration. So they do what’s in their economic interest by delaying child bearing.

    Alot of blacks have no such ability, and the mexican immigration continues. So the younger generations keep on becoming more black and mexican.

    I don’t see anything to stop this.

  • jay11

    I know that in my neck of the concrete jungle, every other latina under the age of 15 is pushing a baby stroller, sometimes with a toddler in tow! No joke, sadly.

    • Bad_Mr_Frosty

      Lots of mestizas at my work. Every 9 months they all get pregnant at the same time. Almost all are on some form of welfare, few if any are married. I cringe when I see the baby daddies too, covered in tattoos, ponytails and wearing gold chains.

      • tickyul

        UCK, I love the beauty of California. But your comments made me remember just how yucky it is to live around most mestizos.

    • bigone4u

      It’s the same in south Texas. Junior high schools must provide daycare because I see them pushing the stroller right after school.

    • rick

      Yep I believe it Jay. And these are the people who would be voting for Republicans in droves if we just passed that dad-blamed amnesty!! riiiiight

  • dj2

    Even growing up in the 80s, virtually of the kids in my suburb were part of stable families. All of the adult men were producers, and all of the adult women were either stay at home moms or part time workers or had less demanding jobs.

    My feeling is that economic reality may force us back to something resembling that.

    Remember that the idea that we can have whole generations of kids without parents (specifically, without fathers) is an idea based upon economic excess. There are always police and courts and welfare agencies and daycares to clean up the mess, is the way we think.

    I’m trying to get across the idea that all of this is going away, and quite soon. Things are going to get interesting.

  • fakeemail

    I know Amreners like to keep it on race when discussing the White World’s ills, but I’m *obliged* to remind you that all the madness and evil of multiculturalism flow from FEMINISM and the true nature of females. As the Bible tell us, the fall *always* starts with the women.
    Mother and children is the natural state of the jungle. The family is the natural state of civilization. And PATRIARCHY IS CIVILIZATION!

    http://inmalafide.com/lawrence-auster-a-social-conservative-who-just-doesnt-get-it/

    • IstvanIN

      I might point out that men were and are in control of government and no matter how much certain women may have caused trouble, women with names like Steinem, Abzug, Morgan(stern) and Friedan, men were the one’s who folded like cheap cameras and made the laws possible that got us into this fix. Women are not inherently evil, different, certainly, but not evil, and not the primary cause of the break down of society.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        Glad to see his comment got deleted.

      • MBlanc46

        Women aren’t inherently evil. Nor are men. But women and men have different, mostly conflicting interests. Relations between them are largely a zero-sum game.

  • Diamond_Lil

    Without the benefit of demographic information, I suspect this sad, sad percentage has more to do with the influx of Mexicans and other third-worlders in addition to the resident black population. Nevertheless, for the percentage that are whites, in addition to the others, the insidious YKW anti-American counter-culture is realizing the goals of their agenda.

  • LHathaway

    “there are times when men need to avoid having big heads and taking down to women”.

    I agree with that, on the flipside, however, men will always be ‘agitated and talking down to women’ until the day a man can sit on his butt, make rolls, polish his muscles while watch soaps on day time TV and women flock to this kind of ‘sensitive’ guy. Men have to do stuff and prove themselves, talk big and prove their worth in order to be picked by women. Men are just agitated.

  • LHathaway

    Yer making more and more sense Mr Engelman

  • LHathaway

    “There are too many men like you who dismiss white women as unworthy rejects, and who insist that white men are by no means part of the problem at all”.

    Some guy yawns, and Courtney and Daisy are all over them pointing to their ‘insult to white womanhood’. Always an overreaction. You guys are like an ad to normal women, convincing them that this site isn’t really that bad and us angry men aren’t completely a lost cause after all. Hey, at least we wont’ kill you like men of color will, and then get away with the crime.

    Pretty soon girls will be sayin, ‘i went to Jared. . .’

  • Alexandra

    I’m 40 and my mother had me out of wedlock when she was 23. When I was a few months old she married my stepfather and he adopted me. I’m grateful I at least had a father figure. I was her first child; a year later my half-sister was born. Yes, my parents were on welfare for a while…but my dad finally started getting disability payments (he had been disabled since 1971 and died in 2000), my mom, who has a college education, finally got work as a substitute teacher, and they were able to buy my grandparents’ house in the Detroit suburbs and get off welfare.
    I think I did all right…got decent grades in school, was never in trouble…Dad stayed home with us because he was disabled and Mom worked. Dad also never let us get away with anything.
    Mom always told me get married first…don’t make the same mistakes she did (though she did want me and when the nurse at the hospital asked if she wanted to place me for adoption, Mom asked her was she nuts). I’m glad I took her advice.

  • StillModerated

    This is the triumph of feminism writ large. Well done, progressives!

  • CrowBoi1977

    Why aren’t all these women using birth control until they can get a husband?

    Margaret Sanger must be rolling over in her grave!

    • NoName

      Birth control is known to fail.

  • NIGEROES

    WHITE BABY IN STROLLER SHOT IN HEAD BY TWO BLACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/22/georgia-infant-stroller-killed/2008681/

    • Joe Patriot

      You can post race realism information on the CNN message boards. They use Disqus logins…

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        I am glad he posts it here, on a white realist/issues site. I shun and scorn CNN.

  • boobooboo

    2 blks just executed a white baby being walked in a stroller brunswick georgia