New Pope Revives Question: What Is a ‘Latino?’

Jesse Washington, KOB, March 24, 2013

He is being hailed with pride and wonder as the “first Latino pope,” a native Spanish speaker born and raised in the South American nation of Argentina. But for some Latinos in the United States, there’s a catch: Pope Francis’ parents were born in Italy.

Such recent European heritage is reviving debate in the United States about what makes someone a Latino. Those questioning whether their idea of Latino identity applies to Pope Francis acknowledge that he is Latin American, and that he is a special inspiration to Spanish-speaking Catholics around the world. Yet that, in their eyes, does not mean the pope is “Latino.”

These views seem to be in the minority. But they have become a distinct part of the conversation in the United States as the Latino world contemplates this unique man and moment.

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The conversation about Pope Francis’ ethnicity is rooted in history and geography. Latin America is a complex region of deep racial and class narratives. The elites tend to be whites of European ancestry; the poor are often dark-skinned descendants of indigenous or African people.

Latinos also can be of any race; many identify themselves as both Latino and white, or Latino and black. So debates were bound to happen with the elevation of a fair-skinned son of Italians born in South America’s most European city, a place that has always identified more with Rome and Madrid than Caracas or Mexico City.

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Another factor in the debate is the term “Hispanic.” It descends from Spain and was popularized decades ago by government agencies, Pitti said. But many dislike it because they connect it to the conquest of the Americas, or to recent U.S. arrivals who speak only Spanish. Many prefer Latino because they feel it describes a more accurate mix of indigenous, African and European ancestry, instead of strictly European.

That connection to Europe is why Sharon Toomer of New York City does not think the pope is Latino.

“I don’t identify with the Spanish. I don’t identify with Hispanic. It’s all rooted in a European culture that I don’t identify with in any way,” says Toomer, who considers herself Afro-Latina because her father is African-American and her mother Dominican.

“All the context, the colonization and conquest, is important,” says Toomer, the publisher and editor of BlackandBrownNews.com.

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As malleable as it may be, Pope Francis’ identity was clearly a factor in his selection by the Catholic church, which now has more believers in Latin America and Africa compared with its ancestral home of Europe. {snip}

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  • America First

    I would not care how one characterizes oneself; that is a personal decision, and goes to self-identity. All four of my European-born grandparents were non-English speaking immigrants (at least when they arrived here), but neither they, nor my parents, nor I or my siblings considered ourselves anything but American. However, when the U.S. government – or anyone else for that matter – decides someone is entitled to special favorable treatment, usually to the detriment of others based upon that (self) identity, then it is a concern and a problem. I understood the reason for affirmative action for blacks: didn’t like it, thought it was unfair, but understood the reasoning. NEVER understood the special treatment for anyone else, particularly “Latinos” or “Hispanics” or anyone else whose ancestry did not derive from Europe.

    • IstvanIN

      Absolutely. My family is fully assimilated and completely American. And I understand the reasoning for affirmative action for American blacks, but why in heaven’s name for Africans, Latinos and Asians? No one brought them here and they are free to leave.

      • America First

        “No one brought them here and they are free to leave.” Which brings us to the idiocy of granting special treatment to any group. All Americans, except the descendants of slaves and red Indians, came from peoples who left a nation or country or land where their ancestors had been for centuries, maybe millennia, and arrived here. No crying or whining that the places they left “owed” them. And, until around 1965 or so, no expectation that one would get anything other than an opportunity. Now, everyone who isn’t white is, according to our divisive and crypto-racist government, is legally assumed to be discriminated against. (I, for one, refused to indicate my race or ethnicity on the 2010 census: separating people by those categories has nothing to do with the purpose of the census. I was personally visited by a worker at my home one evening!) Lastly, why have those who feel this country has wronged them because of their race or ethnicity not left their birth country, as our ancestors did? Is it lack of character, or desire?

        • IstvanIN

          To answer your last question: laziness and stupidity. While we get the better Nigerians coming here of their own free will we have to import Somalis and Sudanese. Our blacks are descended from the bottom of the African barrel.

  • Fr. John+

    Latino clearly means, ‘of Latin (i.e., European ) origin.
    From the Bible, we get the term misegenation. From the Spanish the related term, ‘mestizo.’

    All non-Europids in Central, South, and US America are mestizos.

    Amazingly, the Bible condemns such, and puts them ‘outside the camp’ for ten generations. Perhaps, had the Pope not adopted the ‘Invade the world, invite the World into the Church’ back in AD 1200, after the filioquist/Papal supremacist schism, we might not be having this problem today- in either the West, or in the Home of Romanity- ROME- the Latino Capitol, par excellence.

    • Nice job pointing that out Fr. John, that was my first thought.

      Latin Europe is a loose term for the regions of Europe currently or historically linked, linguistically or culturally, to the Romance-speaking or Roman Catholic people of the continent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Europe

    • IstvanIN

      With all due respect the traditional meaning of Latino may mean being of Latin origin but the modern meaning has changed to include essentially anyone of “Latin” American origin. Whether we like it or not language evolves and we must understand language in the contemporary context.

      • The__Bobster

        The usual suspects make the language “evolve”. That doesn’t mean we have to go along with it.

        • brengunn

          Who’s to blame for the evolution of language? It’s a natural fact of all languages ever since we could speak, language has been gradually changing.

        • YngveKlezmer

          I agree. American slang has certainly “evolved” with the mainstreaming of Ebonics expressions into the language of many Whites. I purposely eschew these types of expressions. Our glorious English language doesn’t need to be permanently bastardized by Negro influence.

      • IstvanIN

        But there is no point in living in the past.

    • YngveKlezmer

      Doesn’t amaze me a bit that the Bible condemns miscegenation. I was aware of the passage about “after one’s own likeness” many years ago. Miscegenation was considered morally wrong by Northern European based societies until recent years, and is still considered wrong by most Americans, despite its’ being pushed by the current President, who is a product of miscegenation. To me, it is almost as unnatural as beasteality. The child is not born in the likeness of both parents, especially when a White woman gives birth to a Mulatto child. The total lack of resemblance to one’s own Mother is clearly unnatural, and is clearly what is referred to in scripture by “after one’s own likeness”. A woman giving birth to a baby who is likely to ask if they are adopted, based on lack of resemblance to their own Mother, is truly one step away from beasteality, something that, I would hope, even the farthest left of Liberals would agree is morally abhorrent. These Liberals who are pushing miscegenation, through TV ads that constantly show a Black male, who is supposedly a professional person, paired up with a White woman, are the hight of blasphemy. The next step is pretending that homosexuality is normal, and the Liberals are trying to force feed that to us as well. Liberalism is a highly sick and demented, immoral cult.

      • pcmustgo

        Not so fast. The Song of Solomon chapter in the bible is all about Solomon’s interracial affair with the Ethiopian Queen of Sheba. Also, the ancient Jews kind of were mixed race or obviously not pure white.

      • Carlos Geary

        …… but, we are a mixture of neanderthal and early homo sapiens….

  • Simonetta

    The answer to the question of whether Pope Francis is a latino is Yes! He is and so are you. In fact, the federal government’s definition quote-unquo te of who is ‘latino’ is so broad and vague that everyone is a latino.

    In the US you are more or less a latino if:

    – You have a Spanish surname. You can change your name legally for, what, $50? If you anticipate getting more than $50 in benefits with your new ‘latino’ legal status than by all means change Bob White to José Jimenez. It’s easy. If any blonde dingbat like Cameron Dias can do it and become acceptably ‘latino’, then so can you. You can always change your name back when you get tired of being ‘latino’.

    – Your primary language at home is Spanish. If you live alone, you probably don’t speak to much at home to yourself. If you stub your toe or hit your thumb with a hammer and let out a good loud ‘mierda’ or ‘chinga tu whatever’, then you too are a latino by definition as more than 50% of the spoken words in your legal residence are in Spanish. It helps to actually know a little formal Spanish language if you chose to go this route, but it is not completely necessary.

    – You come (we ask no questions, so no lies. We’re not the migra) from a country where Spanish is the most common language. Note that this does not include the largest, most wealthy, and most populous country in ‘Latin’ America: Brazil. No one speaks Spanish there.

    – You are ethnically native American but from a tribe that has a traditional stomping ground south of the current ! USA border. Even though Hopi and Navajo lands were part of Spanish Mexico from 1500 to 1848, these people are not ‘latino’. If you are 100% Aztec or Mayan and have snuck into the USA, then of course your are latino.

    – People from Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, or Romania are NOT latinos, even though by the classical definition of a latino being from a country where the native language is directly descended from Latin they would be.

    – People who actually speak Latin, such as catholic priests and classics scholars, are NOT latinos.

    – If you come from a distant island in the Philippines and don’t speak a word of Spanish or English, nor have a drop of Spanish, Mayan, or Aztec blood, but have a Spanish name, then you are a latino.

    – If you’re the great grandson of some German who had to go to Argentina in 1945 very discretely and you are Argentine and have spoken Spanish every day of your life since your were born, then you may be latino. Or you may not.

    So basically, in the USA, you are a latino if you want to be. It helps to be a get-down, all-aroun’, brown clown but it’s not completely necessary. The definition is rather loose.

    • IstvanIN

      Actually the government wants to include the Portuguese into the Hispanic category. I believe Brazilians are already considered Latinos. And don’t forget, Chinese Cubans and Japanese Peruvians are Latino!

      • YngveKlezmer

        That is crazy!! I would hope that Emeril Lagasse would object to being labelled a “Hispanic”. When I hear Hispanic, I think Mestizo sleaze, not Portuguese Americans from New England.

    • Xanthippe2

      Best definition of “Latino” ever! At my kid’s school there are in fact several 5’10” blonde “Latinas.” They just changed their names. It helps with hiring and promotions (quite a bit). They often say ‘I regret I cannot really speak Spanish well enough to always communicate with the Spanish-speaking parents. I wish I had studied harder.’

      Unfortunately, these women adopt the politics that will make them successful too. They may believe the nonsense they spout or they may not. Those that do not are the worst as they aredeliberately Machiavellian-style liars for personal gain.

    • CaptainCroMag

      When I enrolled my children into the local school district, I said that they were Latino, so they would be able to get into the magnet school program. I recommend that every White person do the same. Even though my last name is French, no one has ever questioned whether they were actually Hispanic/Latino. If someone from the school district did ask, I would threaten them with a lawsuit for discrimination. Unless they verify every single other student’s ethnic background, then they can’t single me out to verify my children’s background. And anyway, from the district’s point of view, they are probably happy to have some high scoring “Latino” children to help raise the Hispanic average.

      • MBlanc46

        Interesting idea.

      • Bad_Mr_Frosty

        I’m naming my next kid Jamal Ryu Perez, he’ll qualify for everything…

        • JohnEngelman

          I smiled when I read this. An even better name might be Jamal Muhammad Perez.

    • Carlos Geary

      Latino is not a race, is not an ethnicity, is not a nationality.

    • Ned

      ¡Ay, caramba!

  • Flaxen-headed Strumpet

    The greater issue regarding Pope Francis is that he is a member of The Jesuit Order. Very intellectually sharp clergy compared to other orders and a rich history of being involved in geopolitical skulduggery and challenging the established Catholic orthodoxy on many social, political and economic issues. The Jesuits control Catholic Universities in the US.

    • Tom Iron

      Yep, and they’ve gotten kicked out of a whole bunch on countries too. Very troublesome people sometimes.

      • Xerxes22

        That’s what happens when you stand against the status quo. Watch the 1986 film “The Mission” with Robert DeNiro. It will tell you alot about the Jesuits and their beliefs.

    • Alexandra

      Jesuits also control our government. They were thrown out of country after country because of their meddling in their affairs.

      It ain’t the Jews, people! (Though sadly too many of them have sold out.) That is just a front.

      • Nate Miller

        What a load of horsesh$#t! Jesuits control the USA? What about the “Joos”? Did they go on a holiday? Are the Jesuits filling in for them? Haha, C’mon, gimme a break! Conspiracy theorists should be reduced to a bunch of loud insane bums screaming on a street corner selling pencils from a paper cup!

        • Katherine McChesney

          Jesuits are more powerful than the Jews.

          • ATBOTL

            Total Nonsense.

          • Ned

            No, she is right.
            Do the research and find out.

          • brengunn

            Even the Protestant royals?

      • Katherine McChesney

        Alexandra, finally someone has said what I’ve been trying to put forth. Thank you.

        • brengunn

          Haha. That made me chuckle. The pope sure does bring out the strange in people!

      • Ned

        You are right about the Jesuits.

    • Jaego

      Yes, they are one of the most corrupt of the Orders – many of them strong believers in Gay Marriage and Priests, Lesbian Priests, and Abortion. Pope Francis is another Hollywood Pope like John Paul the 2nd. He will try to maintain the Church where it is – in contradiction and distress.

    • jeffaral

      Jesuits are Bolshevists: Their ultimate goal is an one-world government.

      • Ned

        You certainly got that right.
        They are also the ones behind spreading Somalis to every white and Protestant nation.

  • wattylersrevolt

    To all you White Catholics out there….I am no longer a Catholic…why do want to belong to a Church of homosexaul Old Queens? Why is the point of being a Catholic anyone more?. The homosexual Old Queen Timmothy Dolan wants a majority Hispanic US. Leave the Catholic Church..and abandon Christianty.

    How many of you out there are aware that the SETI Program has had two interesting SETI signals? There is of course the famous WOW!!!..but there is also another one. Neither signal repeated..but they were both of loud and clear. If there really is Intelligent Life in the Universe do really believe that they would think some Italian Old Queen from Argentina has a connection to the Creator of the Universe? Also, how many Catholics did the recently deceased Longong eat for dinner in the Phillipines?
    I hate to be mean like this..but the Catholic Church is being very mean to us ..as are all Christian denominations..and their punishment is the truth!!!!

    • IstvanIN

      You are certainly entitled to be disappointed in the anti-white direction the Catholic Church has taken, as have the major Protestant Denominations I might add, and you can certainly make a case that the current leadership has failed us, but is it necessary to:
      1) Insult the leader of the Church by calling him “an old Queen” and referring to the church as “homosexual”? Both terms clearly meant to be insulting but do nothing to back up your argument.
      2) and if homosexuals are the cause of our religious problems how do you explain the Protestant churches?
      3) And what do Philipinos eating fruit have to do with any of this?

      • wattylersrevolt

        IstvanIN

        What I wrote is my gut-level-visceral reaction to the destruction of the Nation I was born in by the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is well aware that they are creating slave wage conditions in US domestic labor markets…The Cardinals,Bishops, and Priests just don’t care..and the tax burden of nonwhite immigration is catastrophic. I think the Catholic Church is evil at this point in time.

        • IstvanIN

          Much of the leadership is, I have no argument with that. But it isn’t confined to Catholics, nor is Christianity in and of itself to blame.

          • KingKenton

            …nor is Christianity in and of itself to blame.

            A good point which cannot be emphasized enough. The root of the decay in America is Humanistic Democracy (Liberalism), as introduced by the Frankfurt School and a host of other organizations which we are all to familiar with. I think we all know what the problem is; we just need to figure out how to fix it.

          • IstvanIN

            Or who the problem is…….

        • White Mom in WDC

          I wholeheartedly agree. The Church could care less that the quality of life for more US citizens is going down the tubes, in fact,it applauds our suffering

      • jeffaral

        You are forgeting that North African slaves brought Christianity to Rome.

        • Katherine McChesney

          Prove it. Cite your source.

        • StillModerated

          It was a lapsed pharisee, and a fisherman from Galilee who brought Christianity to Rome. What have you been reading at the government schools?

        • Bossman

          No! It was the Jews from Syria and Egypt who brought Christianity to Rome and then it was enthusiastically embraced by all the slaves of Rome.

        • Seb

          Ah, that’s a lie, Christianity was brought to Rome by none other than Paul himself. While he wasn’t White, he was not a hater of Whites and was hardly “North African”.

          • Jerrybear

            He was a Semitic Caucasian. Like all Jews of that time.

        • Fr. John+

          And YOU forget that North Africa was not Negroid at the time of the Gospel, but Caucasoid. Both the Berbers (of which St. Augustine was one) and the Egytptian Ptolomies were WHITE Races.

          • Carlos Geary

            yes the berbers are white…

      • Katherine McChesney

        ‘…and if homosexuals are the cause of our religious problems how do you explain the Protestant churches…’

        The Presbyterian Church USA has ‘More Light’ churches which cater to homosexuals.The United Methodist Church, Episcopal Church, Lutheran Churches promote LGBT rights. These churches are also in communion with the Catholic church through the National Council of Churches.

        • KingKenton

          These churches are also in communion with the Catholic church through the National Council of Churches.

          Ahh, the National Council of Churches… Therein lies the problem. This organtization is Christian in name only. It has been one of, if not the main vehicle by which the cult of Liberalism has been injected into the mainstream Protestant churches in America. Don’t walk, but run from any organization assoctiated with the NCC.

        • YngveKlezmer

          You can still find an individual church that takes a proper traditionalist approach on moral issues. They are getting harder to find, but plenty of rural churches have maintained traditional moral values, abhoring homosexuality and miscegenation, and are good places for one to take a stand on defending European culture and values.

          • Carlos Geary

            miscegenation is not a sin !

      • Fr. John+

        Clearly Istvan, as a Hungarian, you should know that the Roman Communion’s recent papal election is ALL about the fact that Benedict (Arnold) XVI stepped down, because over HALF of the Clergy- even in the Curia are sodomites. He could not stem the tide. Rome’s chickens have come home to roost. And it’s not a pretty sight…

        • jeffaral

          Fr John: You are conveniently forgeting that the German Pope Benedict himself has all his life ignored and protected the sexual pervert priests under his command.

      • saxonsun

        I have an Italian friend who says that it’s understood in Italy that when a man says he’s going to be a priest, he’s gay. A given for them.

    • Will White

      It’s also a Middle eastern religion.All whites that care about our race,Do need a Moral code that that all of us can get behind though.

      • KingKenton

        The concept of mathematical ‘zero’ is also Middle eastern, do you wish to give that up also? Modern mathematics would not be possible without it, and hence the West as we know it. Let’s not be silly.

        • MBlanc46

          It came from India via the Arabs.

          • KingKenton

            Yes, I know… I was just trying to keep it simple. Point being, it didn’t come from Europeans. Thanks for posting the actual origin though, I shouldn’t have been so lazy.

        • As I understand it, the concept of zero is of Sanscrit (East Indian) origin. Arabic number is a misnomer; We just happened to get the Sanscrit numbers by way of the Arabs.

          • KingKenton

            You are correct, sir.

        • Carlos Geary

          You are right! Also, the Mayans knew the concept of mathermatical zero (Mayan – preclombian Central America and Southern Mexico). Knowlege will make people free!

      • Fr. John+

        Christianity is not a ‘middle Eastern religion.’ That fallacy falls to talmudism (derived from babylonian Mystery religion) and Islam. Christianity is prior to, and completely different from those false faiths.

    • wattylersrevolt

      The second interesting SETI signal..in addition to Jerry Ehrman’s WOW!! is the SHGbo2-14a(guess what the H stands for). Physcists Paul Davies argues that a SETI contact is going to be massively disruptive to the human species because of its consequences for Christian Universalism. Maybe this why the Vatican is in the Observatory business.
      You know, of the Catholic Church served a usefull Cultural function I would shut my mouth and be nice. But it doesn’t even do that anymore. What’s the point?
      Take away the tax exempt status of all Christain Churches. Make them experience the full-financial burden of nonwhite immigration. I want to see the homosexual Catholic Pope,Cardinals,Bishops and Priests wash dishes next to Pepe for their room, board and food in one of those Greek owned slave operations called restaurants.

    • jeffaral

      Why would any normal White person embrace a religion of Third World peoples like Christianity?

      • StillModerated

        You’re wrong! The primo Third world religion is mohammedanism, followed by hinduism. Everything that made Europe great has its roots in Christianity. The architecture, the music, the art, the universities, and the governments started to suck as the West abandoned their historic faith.

        • Bossman

          You’re right about that Sir!

        • DudeWheresMyCountry?

          So the Greek and Roman Empires didn’t do anything until 200 years after Christ was crucified? Christianity didn’t make The West into what it became; The West made Christianity into what it became.

          • pcmustgo

            It did unify Europe.

      • Bossman

        Yes, It is now becoming a Third Word religion but it was once the thing that held Europe together after the collapse of the Roman Empire. During the dark ages, the only people who could read and who kept book learning alive were Catholic priest and Monks. What destroyed the Roman Empire? Was it that they were under constant attack from barbarians or were they all turning queer and becoming soft?

      • Fr. John+

        Because REAL Christianity isn’t a ‘third world’ religion. it is the religion of ADAM’s race, and David’s ethnic line- Adam as a Hebrew word means: “fair, ruddy, able to [visibly] blush. Characteristics of only ONE race. The Caucasoid.

    • carocaput

      If you were a loyal son instead of a coward you would come to your holy mother’s defense! The true religion of the true and living God is still thjere and no where else.

      • jeffaral

        You sound as irational as the Muslim fundies.

  • So CAL Snowman

    What’s in a name? That which we call a “Latino” by any other name would stink as bad.

  • Ore_NM

    The new Pope is a White man who grew up speaking Spanish.
    If that’s a “Latino”, he’s not the *first* Latino Pope.

  • bigone4u

    The pope’s an older white gentleman. The debate over labeling him latino or not is a red herring. The real issue of importance is his position on immigration and how much influence he will have. Jesuit economic justice usually demands that whites share the wealth with blacks and browns, which now means giving them a place at the table right down the street from where white folks live. It would be difficult to be a white nationalist or race realist and a Catholic at the same time.

    • White Mom in WDC

      which is why I no longer attend mass!

      • TeutonicKnight67

        Traditionalist Catholic parishes don’t propagate such nonsense. They are polar opposite of Vatican II. Don’t give up the Faith because of modernist charlatans.

    • Anon

      Except that he is from argentina…..where anything less than aryan is basically considered scum of the earth.

  • The__Bobster

    Many prefer Latino because they feel it describes a more accurate mix of indigenous, African and European ancestry, instead of strictly European.
    __________

    How is that more accurate? The terms “Mestizo” or “Pardo” are more accurate for these mongrels.

    • ConantheContrarian

      Exactly, Bobster. Most Argentinians and Uruguayans are white Europeans, like 90% I think. The rest are Indians, mestizos, or pardos. I once met an Argentinian who had an Irish surname.

      • IstvanIN

        Argentina isn’t as white as you might think. Argentina’s Syrian President Menem started inviting mass numbers of Bolivian Indians into Argentina. I have seen newsreels of the riots these people have caused in Argentina. They look remarkably like Mexican Americans.

        • Anglokraut

          Perhaps, but the only time I have ever met anyone from Argentina was when I was a cashier in the suburbs of Boston. When I needed to see an ID, the man gave me his Argentine passport; this man and his family were not only White, they were the kind of White that goes on to careers in modeling: fair, but not ruddy skin, sandy gold hair, light eyes, and great smiles. That man’s teen-aged son looked like he stepped out of an ad for Abercrombie & Fitch.

          • IstvanIN

            Argentina has a white population, but they also have a ton of mestizos, Indians and Arabs.

          • Bossman

            It would be a surprise if they didn’t have any native Indians and Mestizos because they are surrounded by countries that are heavily Indian and Mestizo. I’ve a theory that Latin America will become more Mestizo for no other reason than the fact that Mestizas are very pretty. Why is it that Latin American women are completely dominating the Miss Universe Contest.? Could it be because most of them are Mestizas?.

          • Carlos Geary

            Most Latin American beauty queens have more europen blood than indian. However, you are right mestizas are very pretty. Some american “whites” are mestizos (mixing of european & indian).

          • MBlanc46

            There was a lot of German immigration to Argentina.

          • Anon

            Something interesting to know about people from Argentina. They shamelessly glorify in white attributes as being superior….and spend lots and lots of money in plastic surgery trying to look as white as possible. Not just white but stereotypically white. As white as possible.

          • Carlos Geary

            The Census of 1928 in Argentina, reported 8 European born for each 10 inhabitants. Argentineans do not try to look as white as possible, socio-economic status is much more important than race. There are a very high % of whites. Most indigenous people are immigrants from neighboring countries and theres is not black population. Race is not an issue.

          • argentine_in_california

            How does plastic surgery make one look “more white”? Most Argentines are of European descent, it is true. We are different from the rest of Latin America where only elites are of European descent; in Argentina, the working class is mostly “white” as well. But I disagree that anyone “shamelessly glorifies in white attributes”, that is ridiculous. Argentines, like most other Latin Americans, would be confused by U.S. ideas about “race”. Culture and especially class are much more important.

            Latinos in the U.S. learn their ideas about race from the predominant racial ideologies prevalent in the U.S.; this is completely different from how race is understood in Latin America.

          • Ticomareado

            I disagree with your final paragraph don Gaucho. In Costa Rica, prior to Pepe Figueres’ 1948 revolution, Caribbean Blacks from the Limón province were not allowed to go past Turrialba towards San José on the train line. Ticos figured out something about this demographic on their own without any help from racist Gringos; and to this day many bemoan that particular benefit of the 1948 revolution.

            You do understand the significance of the word “Quilombero” don’t you?

          • Carlos Geary

            I agree with you a 100%

        • Xerxes22

          I don’t think he invited them. They came illegally because life is better and they get more benefits. Recently, Argintina gave anmesty to these illegals. Big mistake.

        • Carlos Geary

          Yes, the % of europeans are decresing due to mass emigration from the poor of neighboring countries. Argentina has welfare, free public universities and socialized medicine for the poor. However, middle and upper class is still very european. The country side is European. I guess you can see more blondes in Argentina than in Los Angeles, New York, etc.

      • jeffaral

        There is a mith going on that Argentinians and Uruguayans are mostly White. Well, they are not.

        • Whites Only

          It’s not a “myth”. Both Argentinians and Uruguayans are overwhelmingly White (97% and 88% respectively). The difference with the US and Canada, is simply that they are mostly of Southern European ancestry (Spanish and Italians):

          CIA World Factbook:

          Argentina: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ar.html

          Uruguay: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/uy.html

          • YngveKlezmer

            97% White?? Cool!!! I read that somewhere. Mostly Southern European, yes, Spanish/Portuguese/Italian descent, but 97% pure blooded European. No wonder it is so nice. It must be a lot like Spain or Italy.

          • Carlos Geary

            There are also Germans, Welsh, Irish, but they usually live in small cities, they own land.

          • jeffaral

            Dear “Whites only”; Take a look at Argentinian president Cristina Fernandez. There are lots of Arabs, plus southern Europeans like Sicilians, plus lots of mestizos, and mulatos too. Maybe 20-30 % are Whites. I know because I lived there.

          • Carlos Geary

            President Cristina Fernandez Wilhelm – Kircher, has a gallego father, (galician (celt) spaniard), and an argentinean of german descend mother. Her late husband was a mixture of german, swiss german and serbian. She & her late husband = 100% european blood

          • Carlos Geary

            No. Depends which part of Argentina. There are places where everybody is white.

        • ConantheContrarian

          Proof? A lot of American Southerners are part American Indian. I can live with that.

          • Carlos Geary

            Yes.

      • brengunn

        One of Che Guevarra’s paternal names was Lynch, that’s as Irish as you can get. There is also a large community of Welsh speakers in Argentina. Ancestors of Welsh miners that traveled there in the 19th century.

      • Carlos Geary

        In Argentina live the world’s fifth largest community among the Irish diaspora and is South America’s largest Irish community.

    • YngveKlezmer

      If a few Portuguese and Italian Americans can cash in on affirmative action, though, more power to them!! It would be great to see fellow European Americans scamming a system that is trying to reserve preferential treatment for non-Whites

    • NeanderthalDNA

      This is one of the prickly minorities’ and their sick white enablers’ weapons against whites – constantly redefining language and insisting we give a crap,then using it to hammer and hector us when we fail to kowtow.

      I don’t care what they want to be called. I don’t want to be their friends or make them feel good about themselves. I just want them to leave me and mine alone.

    • sbuffalonative

      Latino and Hispanic are code words for “give me money for my alleged oppression”.

      • Carlos Geary

        Argentineans & other South Americans, do not feel oppressed, that is the main difference.

    • Dea Whyte-Mansburten

      And many hillbillies would prefer to be called “Sons of the Soil”…but it ain’t gonna happen.

  • The__Bobster

    As far as I’m concerned the Catholic Church has itself another Italian Pope.

    I can speak Pig Latin, but that doesn’t make me a pig….or Latin.

  • Tom Iron

    I believe Pope Francis is a really good man and he’ll do some wonderful things. Having said that, It’s my belief that at the very least, 80% of the Catholic clergy aren’t worth squat. All they want is an easy life and don’t want to be bothered otherwise. Any time there’s any type of actual work to be done, they’re seen leaving for parts unknown. One Easter Sunday morning, the phone rang and it was the priest wanting my wife to do some work for him. I took the phone from my wife (a Catholic school girl) and let him have it. He hasn’t looked in my direction since. What a bunch of jerks. Pope Francis really has his work cut out for him with this crew he inherited.

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  • Jerrybear

    “But many dislike it [Hispanic] because they connect it to the conquest of the
    Americas, or to recent U.S. arrivals who speak only Spanish. Many prefer
    Latino because they feel it describes a more accurate mix of
    indigenous, African and European ancestry, instead of strictly European.”

    How stupid are these people? ‘Latino’ comes from ‘Latin’ which was the language spoken in ancient Rome, you dolts. How does ‘Latino’ represent Afro and Indigenous people more than ‘Hispanic’? It doesn’t. These fabricated ethnic terms need to be left to rot in the dustbin of history. They don’t mean anything. They are just a mechanism to try to unite people against whites.

  • refocus

    If I was English and someone asked me:

    Is a carrot planted in the cabbage patch a cabbage?

    I would have to say, I say old boy the fact that they are here together on this earth at this moment, there both of the earth proves that are the same, equal in every regard. You are obviously a racist and I shant engage with you further.

  • YngveKlezmer

    Of course the La Raza minded Mestizo sleaze don’t consider him “Latino”. His pure Mediterranean European descent inspires hatred and jealousy in them.

    It is disgusting the way these sleazy Mestizoes hate those of pure European descent so much, yet, they would be living in the stone age if not for the Spanish and Portuguese having showed up on their shores. They should be grateful to Europeans, and have a special respect for those of pure European descent.

    • argentine_in_california

      No, I assure you this is not true. This article has been edited to prove the Web site’s point of view. The vast majority of Latin Americans are thrilled to have a pope from Latin America. In the Dominican Republic (where most people are black or of Afro-descent), when many people heard the news they wept tears of joy.

      By the way, most Argentines feel we have more in common with other Latin countries than the USA, and several Argentines, such as Che Guevara and Evita, are leftist heroes in the entire continent.

      • Bossman

        That is correct. Most of the people who post here, have no idea what Latin America is.

  • Anon

    He is being hailed with pride and wonder

    Hahaha….by whom? Only in crazy liberal land are people who speak spanish all lumped into one category. In reality, different races and nationalities hate eachother.

    A pope from argentina is a big win for them. Everyone else feels slighted, envious, even alienated. The catholic church is truly stupid if they think this will bring more people into the failing, anti-Christian criminal enterprise. Quite the opposite. They made that choice based on fantasy.

    Now they have to live with the reality. They’ve basically balkanized the religion.

  • David Brims

    I think the old joke about Argentina is, Argentinians are Italians who speak Spanish, act French who want to be British ! They don’t consider themselves as South Americans but as Europeans. Also many German immigrants live there.

    After America closed the door on immigration in 1924, millions of Europeans went to Argentina.

    Buenos Aires is known as the Paris of South America, just look at the architecture.

    • Carlos Geary

      Yes, but there a lot of British living in Argentina !Just google “British immigration to Argentina”, “Irish immigration to Argentina”, Welsh immigration to Argentina” “Boer immigration to Argentina”

  • What a joke!, Italians have a much greater connection to “Latin” than any
    mexican, there is nothing “latin” about a mexican. They stole our
    language, our religion, and they try to steal caucasian titles like
    “latin” and “hispanic” to mask their primitive indian heritage

    • Bossman

      Wrong! Europe imposed their language, culture and religion on them. Europeans also began to screw their women from day one. As soon as Cortez landed in Mexico he hooked himself up with a native woman. When Pizarro landed in Peru, he did the same thing. Latin America is the Union of two cultures and two peoples.

  • Carlos Geary

    “Latino” means a mixture of Spaniars, African and Indigenous people, only in the USA. In
    South America, “Latino Americano”, means a person of any race or ethnicity born in a Latin American country.

  • argentine_in_california

    The large majority of today’s Argentines are descended from European, mostly Italian or Spanish, immigrants. Most of this immigration was within the last century: the largest wave of European immigrants, such as Cardinal Bergoglio’s parents, arrived in the late 19th or early 20th centuries. In 1900, Argentina was one of the world’s richest countries and had similar per capita income to the United States; wages were much higher than in Southern and Eastern Europe, from where most of the immigrants came. Argentina was especially attractive to southern Europeans; for example, immigration records show that of the millions who left Italy in the period 1870-1920 (when the U.S. enacted the anti-immigrant Johnson-Reed Act of 1924 to limit immigrants from southern and Eastern Europe), about half went to North America (U.S. and Canada), while the other half went to South America (Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay). Like Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil also received massive numbers of European immigrants, but in fact almost all Latin countries received some: Chile, Cuba, Peru, and Mexico all received some European immigration.

    Although, as I stated, Spaniards and Italians made up perhaps 75% of immigrants to Argentina, all European countries were represented; Eastern Europeans, Russians (including Jews), Germans, French, Austrians, Irish, are also well-represented in Argentina. This can easily be verified by looking at any Buenos Aires phone book. Outside of Europe, Lebanese and Syrian immigrants (such as the descendent of President Menem, a Syrian) were very common, and also there were some Japanese (they have built a beautiful Japanese garden in Buenos Aires).

    In Buenos Aires in 1900, 7 out of 10 residents was born abroad, mostly in Europe. This was also true in many cities in the interior, such as Rosario, Cordoba, Mendoza, the Misiones province, etc. Buenos Aires and Rosario resembled U.S. cities such as Chicago, with immigrant neighborhoods full of new arrivals of various European nationalities.

    Italian and Spanish immigrants assimilated easily to the Hispanic Catholic culture of Argentina and in fact eventually came to shape the predominant culture. Other communities, such as the English, Germans, Jews, or Croats also assimilated but continued to keep their own schools and languages, to a much greater extent than is true of European immigrant groups in the U.S. For example, most German or Croat Argentines are perfectly bilingual in their heritage language, though on a daily basis most probably still speak Spanish.

    So Cardinal Bergoglio is an ordinary Argentine and not exceptional: being Italian in Buenos Aires is like being Irish in Boston. Unlike Mexico or the Andean countries, Argentina has little indigenous heritage; unlike Brazil, Colombia, or the Caribbean, there are few people of African descent either.

    After the 1950’s, for reasons still debated by economists and historians, Argentina went into a severe economic decline. Not only did it fall behind the United States, but also behind the southern European countries where their people had come from, and even behind many East Asian countries. Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan today all are wealthier than Argentina. Reasons for the decline include poor economic planning, a failure to industrialize, and polarized democracy punctuated by long periods of military dictatorship.

    Immigrants from Europe no longer come to Argentina, for most decades after the 1950’s it has been in the opposite direction. Most immigration to Argentina now is from neighboring Latin American countries, such as Paraguay and Bolivia, which do have significant indigenous heritage. Actually, this immigration has always existed also since 1900, but was overshadowed before by European immigration.

    Like Eastern Europe, Argentina sometimes seems more “white” to visitors from the U.S. (whiter than most U.S. cities) because, like Eastern Europe, it has not been wealthy enough to attract more immigrants from developing countries. Today, Argentina’s economy has more in common with the developing world than with Western Europe, the U.S., or Japan. The country strongly identifies with the rest of Latin America; the current president is from a leftist party and was an ally of Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.

    Unlike Eastern Europe, where a right-wing populist party seems to arise almost every day (and I only barely exaggerate), or the USA, there is little or no anti-immigrant sentiment in modern Argentina against Bolivians or Paraguayans, although they are not “white” and occupy a position in society similar to Mexicans in Los Angeles or Moroccans in France. So far as I know, no political party in Argentina has ever made anti-immigrant rhetoric a part of its political platform. As far as Argentines are concerned, it is a non-issue.

    • jeffaral

      Surely you consider most Italians from Sicily or Calabria as White? Is All Capone White? And your forgeting that in the nineteen century 30% of Argentinians were black. Latin Americans just don’t want to assume their racial heritage. In Brazil everybody wants to be White though most of them are race-mixed.

      • Carlos Geary

        In Argentina, people think that americans do not want to assume their black heritage.
        In early 1800’s Bs, As. 30% of argentinians were black. At the end of that century 8 of 10 argentineans were born in Europe. Most Italians in Argentina are from Northern Italy (blonde & blue eyes). Most argentineans are grand children of europeans emigrants in both side of their families.

      • Carlos Geary

        In Brazil there are pure Whites, pure Blacks, pure Asians, pure Indegenous poeople and also mixed people. You have to understand that in other parts of the world people are not obsessed with race. As a matter of fact, “racial obsession” could be considered a mental illness, like any other obsession or a sign of low education.

  • pope is white latino

    The new pope is a real white latino hispanic European like 250 million in South America who relocated from Europe and in the popes case from Italy. He is not like the other 250 million phony latino red mongoloids from Asia who were defeated by the caucasoid Europeans in short order 500 yrs ago.

    White latinos discovered America in 1492 beginning with Columbus and the later Conquistadors who conquered the southern half of the western hemisphere while the white European Anglicans conquered the upper half defeating the Asian mongoloid pagan savages who had crossed the Bering ice bridge from Asia by the millions setting up shop as the eskimos, injuns, aztecs, icans, myans, tainos, etc. They were forced to speak Spanish and learn WMR.

    There is difference between the real deal caucasoid race white latino hispanic European and the imposter Asian red mongoloid race peasants.

    • Bossman

      You’ve got to learn a few things:. #1. We should all be grateful to these savages because they did not over-populate the American continent as present-day India and China is over-populated. #2. Europe was able to extend itself into the Americas because those early adventurers, who were all bachelors, found the native women attractive enough to mate with. For almost 300 years after the discovery of the Americas, no white women came to the new world. The real threat to the white man in America is Asia because there are countless hordes there and they all want to come here.

  • argentino
  • argentino

    Most Argentines would be considered “white” in the USA, for example, Camila Rabinovich is an Argentine actress/model: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Camila-Rabinovich/146330708841845

  • liberalsuck

    The Pope might not be born in Italy but he is of white Italian racial linage. Look at him. Same with whites from South Africa. For example, a 25-year-old blonde white boer was not born in Holland, but they obviously look white and are white. I’m glad they picked the recent pope they did instead of a more ‘diverse’ pope.

  • Dea Whyte-Mansburten

    Oh! I know!

    A “Latino” is anyone who comes to this country illegally, steals identities, lives off welfare, believes that drinking-and-driving is a macho “right,” worships the Pope as if he were a god himself, cranks out little Chicos incessantly, refuses to learn a better, more modern & efficient language (English, natch), and should be repatriated to his or her beloved homeland immediately, and at all costs.

    Now what do I win?

    • Carlos Geary

      In Latin America there are 33 differents countries. You are talking about some low class person.

  • Crawfurdmuir

    The term “Hispanic” could equally describe the present royal family of Spain and a Bolivian indian or a Peruvian zambo. I can understand the objection to that term, but “Latino” is no better. The British and other north Europeans centuries ago had characterized not only the Spaniards but also the Italians and French as “Latins,” so demarked by their speaking the so-called Romance languages derived from Latin, rather than north European tongues of Teutonic origin.

    There is a rich linguistic resource to describe the people understood here by “Latino.” They are mestizos, mulattos, zambos, terceroons, quadroons, cholos, musties, fusties, and dusties.

  • JohnEngelman

    A national or racial population should be evaluated by average IQ, and by rates of crime.

    These in turn are influenced by generational distance from the paleolithic way of life. Whites and Orientals have practiced agriculture and civilization for the larger number of generations, so we have higher IQs and lower crime rates. This is because civilization selects for intelligence, while gradually removing the more aggressive males out of the gene pool.

    Argentina has a high percentage of those of European ancestry. It’s average IQ is 96. Its murder rate is 5.8 per 100,000. The average Argentinian IQ is at the low end of the European range, while its murder rate is at the high end, but in each case there is an intersection with European countries.

    By contrast, in Guatemala the vast majority is American Indian, or of mixed race. The average IQ there is 79. The murder rate is 38.5 per 100,000.

    Race also influences economic prosperity. In Argentina the per capita gross domestic product (GDP) is $18,200. In Guatemala it is $5,200.

    http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=Argentina&countryCode=ar&regionCode=soa&rank=67#ar

    • Carlos Geary

      Argentina received in the last decade low educated immigrants. Argentina used to have 98% literacy rate.

    • Carlos Geary

      I agree that whites & orientals have practiced agriculture and civilization for larger of generations. However, the Amerindians who immigrated from Asia, also, built great civilizations. There are3 civilization, that should be mention: Aztec (Mexico), Mayans (Southern Mexico, Central America) & Incas (Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia). These people practiced farming, developed sciences & social structures, The Maya, developed a
      system of mathematics, they used the mathematical zero before the Europeans.
      The Aztecs created a remarkably modern city. The Incas engineered a system of
      roads to unite their entire empire and practiced brain surgeries. All of them were
      more advanced than Europeans in Astronomy. Aztec and Mayans practiced human sacrifies, but Incas rarely. Is important to know the facts. Argentina, Chile & Uruguay were scarcely populated when the Spaniards arrived, and received mass immigration from all parts of Europe. They have high literacy rate.

      • JohnEngelman

        What you say about Indian civilizations is of course true. Nevertheless, the Indians were about three to four thousand years behind the Europeans at the time of the European invasion of the New World. The Aztecs only used copper. The Incas were beginning to experiment with bronze. The whites had been using iron for two and a half thousand years.

        Agriculture and civilization began more recently in the New World, and had less effect on the evolution of the American Indians.

        The fact that the Europeans were more advanced illustrates a point I have made on this website that civilizations benefit from interacting. Europeans learned from Arabic, East Indian, and Chinese civilizations. The American Indians were isolated.

        • Carlos Geary

          Northern Europeans developed culturarly, later than Summerians. However, nobody says that Summerians were “superior” to the germanic tribes of that time. Inca civilization was advancing faster than others, they had ways to store food, transportation (llamas), and they built a road system and water channel that still in use at the present time. Racism is a sign of ignorance, but you are an educated man, and know that ignorance can be cure with teaching and learning, so we can all live in a better world. Happy Passover! Happy Easter!

          • JohnEngelman

            Racism is a sign of ignorance, but you are an educated man.

            – Carlos Geary

            Before condemning racism we must define it. I think that it is wrong to dislike a person because he is a member of a certain race. Nevertheless, I think the races differ significantly in average ability levels and behavior, and that the differences are due to genetic differences, which in turn are due to different populations pressures lasting for thousands of years.

            Happy Passover and Easter to you too.

          • MariaOConnor

            IQ tests are not scientific reliable, because are culturally biased. Most people who believe in racial supremacy are always people with limited cognitive ability and knowledge. People that do not enven know the simple
            difference between ethnicity and race, & are “surprised” that a
            full European blood pope was born in a very heterogeneous ethnic/racial South ?American country, are bragging about their “racial supremacy”?.
            Eugenics was bassed in this pseudo-scientific theory of racial
            supremacy.

  • Carlos Geary

    Is a carrot planted in the cabbage patch a cabbage? No still a carrot. The problem is that somehow some related the the word “latino” with race. Latino is not a race. There are white, black, asians & indigenous latinos. South Americans are very competitive.

  • Carlos Geary

    Is a carrot planted in the cabbage patch a cabbage? No still a carrot. Latino is not a race. There are white, black, asians and indigenous “latinos”. South Americans are very competitive in sports, in business, etc.

  • William_JD

    Another factor in the debate is the term “Hispanic.” It descends from Spain and was popularized decades ago by government agencies, Pitti said. But many dislike it because they connect it to the conquest of the Americas, or to recent U.S. arrivals who speak only Spanish. Many prefer Latino because they feel it describes a more accurate mix of indigenous, African and European ancestry, instead of strictly European.

    Well, that was mindbendingly stupid. “Hispanic” is connected “to the conquest of the Americas, and “Latino” is not? We’re supposed to believe that American Indians were speaking Latin before Europeans arrived again in the 15th century?