Couple Allegedly Stole GM Secrets for Chinese Companies

Michael Zak, AOL, November 6, 2012

A U.S. prosecutor said on Monday that a former General Motors engineer and her husband stole secrets related to the automaker’s hybrid technology with the intention of using the information to develop similar vehicles in China.

According to the prosecution, Shanshan Du stole information which GM values at over $40 million and gave it to her husband, Yu Qin, who sought to use in conjunction with GM’s competition in China.

“This case is about theft as well as deceit,” prosecutor Michael Martin said during the opening statements of the Detroit trial, according to Bloomberg. The defendants are “partners in life, partners in business and partners in crime.”

This is not the first time automakers have allegedly caught employees spying for Chinese companies. Last year, ex-Ford Motor Co. engineer Xiang Dong Yu was sentenced to 70 months in federal prison after pleading guilty to stealing secrets from Ford. He’d copied 4,000 Ford designs worth millions of dollars the night before he quit the automaker. He then went to work for Beijing Automotive Industry Corp.

Espionage involving China has been seen in other industries as well. Last August, a former Motorola employee, Hanjuan Jin, was sentenced to four years in prison for stealing trade secrets. {snip}


The defense argued that the items at issue weren’t trade secrets and were “completely useless” for other companies, Bloomberg reported. According to Robert Morgan, who is Du’s lawyer, the government tried to create dubious links that would add up to a story of espionage. Morgan said that the allegations came up at a time of great financial concern for the company and that Du faced racism, sexism and language barriers during her time with GM.


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  • Up to my neck in CA

    This is par for the course for some of the greediest people on the planet. They have no love for America and are very willing to help their motherland any way they can.

    “A Chinese-born American convicted of stealing trade secrets from Motorola was sentenced Wednesday to four years in prison in a case that both the judge and prosecutors hoped would send a message to those who might be tempted to siphon vital information from U.S. companies.”Read more:

    • EndTimesComing

      It’s been a while, so it’s probably well down the memory hole, but do none of you remember back when Clinton was Prez (and had taken a great deal of money from China in campaign contributions) several Chinese were arrested for espionage at Los Alamos nuclear research center?  And also at Jet Propulsion lab around the same time?  There was a Chinese national working at a won’t be named government high tech and often secret laboratory with me whose father was a chinese national working at Los Alamos at the same time.  WHAT IN HELL  are we doing letting PRC nationals come here, work in our most sensitive sites, and then become all surprised when they are caught SPYING?  THIS is what I mean about our leaders all needing to be hung for high treason.  It’s not a figure of speech.  They ARE committing treason to the nation in very large and meaningful ways.  Ways such as this.  It ain’t just about a bunch of illiterate mestizos flooding across the border taking blue collar and restaurant service jobs.  Our “leaders” have been letting foreigners take our highest and most secret engineering and research jobs – and they aren’t even naturalized citizens.  THIS is what really angered me about Romney saying he’d staple a green card to an immigrants diploma.  NO MORE IMMIGRANTS, PERIOD.  SHUT THE DOOR TO THEM.  

  • Michael_C_Scott

    Language barriers?  Oh, how horrible!  Perhaps she should have gotten a job in a country where they speak Mandarin.  When last I checked, there already are two of those.

    When last I checked, I also didn’t feel one bit sorry for the greedy corporate pigs who hire non-citizens in preference to Americans.  I’m checking again… and I still don’t feel any pity.  Forty million dollars in lost trade secrets?  Go cry me a river, GM, and then restart Saturn production and hire some Americans.

  • Biff_Maliboo

    We’ve been told that “family values don’t stop at the Rio Grande.”

    Apparently the same can be said of the  Yangtze…

  • A L

    How many Chinese engineers in the USA aren’t spies?

    • The__Bobster

      You hire a Chinaman and there’s a good chance you hired a spy. They don’t invent much but they’re great at copying.

      And some of them can sleep for decades before they strike. They’re a lot more patient than we are.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      Two or three, but I’m being generous with that guess.

  • I don;t know why GM cares so much about this, the majority of their plants will be in China within a decade.

    • The__Bobster

      When my company wanted to ship our product to China, they demanded that we build a plant there that utilized our most-advanced technology.

      • NYB

        In the 1980’s, for a pittance, GM sold China the technology to build modern automobile production lines.

        The Chinese paid hundreds of $millions at the time, but now they have the ability to improve on it by stealing $billions in research and development.

  • Memphomaniac

    These are exactly the same people Mitt Romney said he wanted to staple a Green Card  to their diploma when they graduated from a US university.

  • I wonder why some companies in China simply legally work together with GM if it is their wish?

    Some Korean manufacturers work legally together with Renault, Mitsubishi and GM whenever they feel it will be helpful to do so

    • Michael_C_Scott

      Stealing things is cheaper, though stealing technology from a race and culture that Chinese have historically regarded as inferior must be quite humiliating.

      • Korean guy

        The first generation of the Hyundai Equus was co-developed with Mitsubishi

        And the second generation of Hyundai Equus, which is currently in the market right now, was solely developed by Hyundai.

        The first generation was enormously loved by the local people in Korea.  The second one came out very recently.  

    • Michael_C_Scott

      If it helps, and judging from your name and comment you’re Korean, so I’ll say that Chinese regard Koreans and Japanese as inferior as well.  They hate Japanese and are afraid of them, but Koreans are probably in the same potision.

      Perhaps that wouldn’t help.

      Chinese fishing boats illegally fish everywhere in the western Pacific, and they overfish.  Since they are stealing, their object it to get everything they possibly can out of the water before they must leave an area, so fish catches are depleted afterward.
      There was one Chinese fishing boat that was long-lining in a sanctuary being preserved for conservation (it was already overfished) which refused to stop for the government of Palau.  The result was machinegun fire into the pilot house and a Chinese sailor dead.  Palau is well east of the Philippines!  They had been “finning” sharks they caught, keeping only the dorsal fins and none of the meat. 

      That might help.

      In another recent case, a Republic of Korea navy vessel stopped a Chinese fish-poaching boat inside the South Korean 200-mile EEZ.  The skipper of the Chinese boat proceeded to kill the ROK captain with a knife while he was on board being asked what he was doing in South Korean waters. 

      Sinking the fish-poachers might also help; put their ships on the bottom and leave the men in the water.

      Perhaps they still think they are the Middle Kingdom, around which the world revolves, but I don’t agree, and I doubt you do either.

      • Korean guy

        Yes it is true there are many people in China who feel the Koreans and Japanese are inferior to the “Middle Kingdom”.  About 1200 hundred years ago, the Kings of China forced the young, newly anointed Korean kings to marry the princesses of China because of the following reasons

        1. If the princess of China cannot become the king of China, (the king of China was always assumed by the first born prince of the royal family) then the next best thing ever for the princess is becoming the queen of another country

        2. If the king of Korea is married to the princess of China, then there is no chance for Korea to ever attempt to invade China (China becomes the “father-in-law” country for Korea)

        3. A general slap in the face for the local native Korean women.  The greatest, most honourable position that a Korean woman can ever have, is not assumed by a Korean woman!

        And a smaller reason such as the King of Korea being obligated to send the King of China ridiculous amount of presents on the Chinese king’s birthdays and the new year days.  

        And China also demanded that the kings of Korea sends one of the princes to China to basically permanently live in China.  Reason : If Korea ever attempts to invade China, then the Korean prince living in China will be history

  • David Ashton

    This can’t be true, can it, John Engelman?

  • I don’t really see how this is relevant to anything. The crime rate for Asian Americans is one-fourth the white rate.

    • NYB

      Asians are colonizing white countries and absorbing their wealth and heritage without having to fire a shot.    That’s a crime of priceless proportions.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Yes, and without firing a shot.

        China is swimming in cash — which we’ve sent them — now they’re using it to buy us…and Africa, South America and Australia.  The Chinese are buying up businesses, real estate and natural resources — it’s called “economic colonization.”  Our trade deficit with China in 2011 was $295.5 billion.  That was the largest trade deficit that one country has had with another country in the history of the planet.

        It is frightening to think where this will end…

        From  47 Signs That China Is Absolutely Destroying America On The Global Economic Stage

        * A Chinese company known as “Sino-Michigan Properties LLC” has purchased 200 acres of land near the town of Milan, Michigan.  The goal is to build a “China City” with artificial lakes, a Chinese cultural center and hundreds of housing units for Chinese citizens.

        *Chinese investors have been gobbling up real estate all over New York City.  The following is from a recent Forbes article….According to a recent report in the New York Times, investors from China are “snapping up luxury apartments” and are planning to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on commercial and residential projects like Atlantic Yards in Brooklyn. Chinese companies also have signed major leases at the Empire State Building and at 1 World Trade Center, the report said.*The Chinese are also doing huge real estate deals in cities in the middle part of the country.  For more, see here:

        • FourFooted_Messiah

          Uh-huh.  And look at what they’re doing to the south coast of British Columbia … and people are told to think it’s a good thing, that Chinese are driving up housing costs out of the reach of the average Vancouverite. because they think $2 million for a condo is dirt cheap.

          Their language is slowly spreading through the country.  My CIBC bank machine won’t even give me French as an alternative – it wants to offer me Chinese instead.  A major TV network apparently recently started up a Chinese language network.  In Canada.

          And the most popular drug in Vancouver happens to be … wait for it … heroin.  And guess where heroin comes from.  Hint:  It ain’t home-grown. And it certainly isn’t benign, unlike something you could grow yourself. I heard this being called the Silent War; get whitey hooked on heroin, so they don’t notice the Chinese suddenly all around them …

          • NYB

            The same thing is happening in the capital of Canada, Ottawa.  Chinese investors with bags of cash are buying up multiple commercial properties in the downtown. 

            As the Africans say, once you let the Chinese in, the problem is getting rid of them.

      • Michael_C_Scott

        Not “Asians”, but Chinese.

    • APaige

      Do you consider spying and stealing crimes? I have not heard of any whites stealing info and selling to foreign nations, have you?

      • Yes, that’s actually how our nation’s first textile mills were established. And have you never heard of white people being traitoors to their country?

  • NYB

    Canada used to have a global telecommunications company called ‘Nortel”.

    Nortel is no longer in existence.  Chinese employees enabled a Chinese government-owned competitor to loot it of all its proprietary secrets.  Shareholders lost millions of dollars, and Canada lost a promising company.

    The Canadians learned a hard lesson.  Beware of hiring a Chinese. 

    • IstvanIN

       Nortel was Northern Electric, the Canadian branch of Western Electric, the now deceased parent of Bell Telephone Laboratories.  We lost so much when a member of the tribe broke of the Bell System, probably the greatest research and development organization in the world.

      On the bright side Buick is the most popular executive-class car in China.  And Buick’s biggest market.  Of course all those Buicks are built in China.

      • FourFooted_Messiah

         I thought they were Northern Telecomm.  And yeah, they used to be a part of Bell Labs, I remember that much.

        So that’s why they failed, eh?   I knew several folks who lost their shirts on Nortel stock.

        • NYB

          Nortel security was very lax.  By the end, Chinese hackers had access to everything in Nortel’s files, including the email accounts of its top executives. 

          Canada’s Security Intelligence Service was aware but could do nothing. 

          Now the Chinese are trying to sell what they gained back to us.

    • Beware of hiring white workers too. They commit crime at 4 times the Asian rate.

    • Beware of hiring whites. They commit crime at four times the asian rate.

  • BadaBing

    Words to live by: never trust a gook.

  • Skincognito

    Beware of hiring people of European descent because we are currently displacing whom? That’s right, we are being dispossessed! Domestic crime has always been an issue for industrial Western governments and philanthropic organizations. That’s our business and it’s related to class not race. I suspect that you and I are somewhat similarly class-conscious. Cheers, good for us. 
    You unfortunately have been overcome by this quasi-Marxist delusion that multiculturalism is the cure for class-conflict. A closer examination of European countries from Estonia, Denmark, Germany, Poland, etc would reveal that there is no “White” crime-rate. We are one Volk, for sure, but we live in unique nation-states and possess/inherit distinctive national cultures. Alleviating crime should be among the goals of all responsible citizens of all White countries. But your solution sir, (priveleging the asiatic over the European) negates the very right to existence of White nations.
    Orientals cannot make us better Occidentals. Self-improvement is our charge, it is dire, it demands critical thought and plain, honest discourse, but it is only hindered by multiculturalism. Look in the mirror sir, assuming you are not a “chosen” asiatic, the saviour of our nation will either look like you and me or be resigned to ignominy. Beware of Whites? Disgusting expression of self-loathing and elitism.

  • Bobby

    Uh, Hello!! Mr. Engelman, paging Mr. Engelman!!

    Could you please expound for us again on the non-potential threat of having millions of Asians in the United States, where fifth columnist activity might be possible?

    • Michael_C_Scott

      Is that All Asians, many or most of who either dislike Chinese or actively hate them, or just Chinese?

      • Bobby

        That’s a fair question Michael. I can only answer it by putting it in the context of massive non-European immigration, especially that which comes from super powerfull and upcoming nations, yes like China. As far as other Asians go, many of them could be taken as Chinese, so the obvious conclusion could be drawn in that case as well. We(the U.S.) have already had multiple cases of what could be classified as Asian fifth columnist activity and the trusting attitude of Americans and Canadian elite, where this is concerned seems utterly insane to me. That is, of course, if these elite actually care about Canada or the U.S. 

  • Canis Lupus

    I dont understand. Chinese people are supposed to be smarter than whites. If this is so, why dont they create technology of their own? Or is it just easier to steal someone elses idea? Im constantly hearing how much better they are at math and technology is based in mathematics.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      Excellent Point!!

      Dr. Norm Madoff writes for

      My own recent research found that the former foreign students, now working in industry, are actually LESS likely to produce a patent than are Americans of the same age, education etc., in the fields of computer science and electrical engineering.

      So, the less innovative are displacing the more innovative, a net loss.


      • Canis Lupus

        Thanks Bon. This is why I have to laugh when I hear some black or brown gloating about obamas victory. Lets see how much better life will be with white men pushed aside.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      Well, the median IQ for them is a little higher, but the bell curve for them is narrower; they produce less folks at the extremes, i.e. fewer idiots and fewer geniuses.  This becomes a problem when one realizes that a society’s most productive innovators are the geniuses at the right end of the bell curve.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Spying is just ONE of the problems we have dealing with the Chinese:

    Fake electronic components from China have been discovered in thermal weapons sights delivered to the U.S. Army on mission computers for the Missile Defense Agency’s Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, or THAAD, missiles and on military aircraft, including several models of helicopters and the P-8A-Poseidon, according to federal investigators.

    Suspected electronic parts were found in the Forward Looking InfraRed, or FLIR, Systems being used on the Navy’s SH-60-B. The counterfeit parts were delivered by Raytheon, which alerted the Navy.
    The new evidence comes reports that the problem with faked Chinese electronic components being installed in U.S. military systems is far more widespread that originally thought.


    • Michael_C_Scott

      This is nothing new.  Counterfeit automobile parts from China, Malaysia and Indonesia were a problem 20 years ago.  I went through four or five alternators for my old Mazda RX-7, all of which had been rebuilt in Singapore, presumably with parts produced either there or elsewhere in southeast Asia.  Since my part was waranteed, I just kept taking them back to Checker.  It was a bad diode every time, which meant the battery would discharge while the car was parked, switched completely off.

      Eventually, I got a replacement that had been rebuilt in Japan; end of problem.  That 30 year-old engine is now in my wife’s Model A Ford.

      A more recent serious problem out of China was infant formula that had been cut with powdered melamine plastic.  Quite a few kids died, and a factory manager in China was executed for it.

      A typical routine in any chemistry lab is saving the ground glass 24/40 and 14/28 joints from broken glassware.  That way, if you need a bit of custom glassware made up, you already have the expensive part(s) for the glassblower to use.  We actually had a glassblower at UNSW in Sydney, and he wouldn’t use any Chinese joints.  It wasn’t good glass; there was too much other stuff in it.

      Does anyone know why computer mother boards burn out so quickly today, when during the 1990s, they would last and last?  They’re mostly made in China now, and the designers remove capacitors from the prototype boards until they stop working.  Then they add one capacitor back and put the resulting abortion in mass production.  Presto:  A a mother board that is worthless as soon as you fry one capacitor!

      One of my friends in the US Army was in Iraq, and he got a close look at ex-Iraqi, Chinese-made Type-59 tanks (a copy of the Russian T-55) and YW-531 troop carriers.  Bill said the quality of workmanship in those vehicles was “grotesque” even compared with the Soviet-made stuff he also got to inspect.  I guess that’s good news; if they decide to throw their weight around in the western Pacific, they’re going to discover that their military hardware works just as poorly as everything else they manufacture.

  • Angry White Woman

    More fun from the “Model Minority”.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      Would you prefer rapists with HIV?  We all know someone who can do that.

      • Mainlander

        How about neither?

        • Michael_C_Scott

          Unfortunately, “both” is a lot more likely to be the only item on the menu.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      The assimilated Chinese who are third or fourth-generation US-born seemed quite OK when I was in college in California.  I think the dichotomy here is that the recent immigrants from the People’s Republic must be assumed to retain their loyalty to an enemy state.

  • Ageofknowledge

    Considering the vast amount China has already stolen, I’m sort of surprised there was anything left to steal.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      They’re currently trying to steal whole islands from Vietnam, the Philippines and Japan.  In short, China is just getting started.

  • Mainlander

    We have hundreds of Chinese in my office. They all socialize together and speak chinese amongst themselves. Who knows what they’re up to.