Free speech: Can School Fire ‘Redneck’ over Confederate flag on His Truck?

Warren Richey, Christian Science Monitor, August 2, 2012

An Oregon school bus driver has won the first round of a free speech lawsuit claiming his First Amendment rights were violated when he was fired for refusing to remove a Confederate flag from the back of his pickup truck.

Kenneth Webber had worked as a K-12 bus driver for nearly six years in Oregon’s Jackson County School District 4. But he lost his job after he repeatedly refused a supervisor’s order to remove the three-by-five-foot flag – emblazoned with the work “Redneck” – from his truck while it was parked on school district property.

Mr. Webber filed a lawsuit in federal court charging that his former employer, his former supervisor, and the school superintendent violated his free speech right to express controversial or offensive ideas without facing censorship or punishment from the government.

On Thursday, a federal magistrate upheld the lawsuit, and said Webber’s case should proceed to a trial to determine whether his constitutional rights were violated.


“The US Supreme Court has held that it is ‘a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment … that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea offensive or disagreeable,’ ” John Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute, said in a statement.

“Ken Webber’s case is a clear example of what happens when free speech and political correctness collide,” he said.

Webber’s case is being litigated by lawyers with the Rutherford Institute, a Virginia-based advocacy group.


The supervisor ordered Webber to take down the flag or face suspension from his job. Webber refused. Next, he was ordered to remove the flag or lose his job. That’s when he was fired.

Webber disputed the accusation of racism. He said he is merely a “backyard redneck.”

“I work for what I have. I support my family. It’s just who I am. I’m a redneck. It’s a way of life,” he is quoted as saying.


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  • MekongDelta69

    He should put a Chik-Fil-A bumper sticker next to the flag. And an AmRen coffee cup in the rear window. (Jared – You should have a ‘store’ like almost everyone else does now. It’d be a money maker!)

    If he had had a Black Panther flag, a NARAL stick-on and a GLSEN/GLAAD bumper sticker, they would have promoted him to president of the Jackson County School District.

  • The general tone of jurisprudence relating to these sorts of questions is that schools can prohibit these sorts of displays for the sake of the educational environment, but they can’t be selective and use double-edge swords.  So if they say no CBFs, they also must prohibit similar items for blacks, Hispanics and so on.

    •  > if they say no CBFs, they also must prohibit similar items for blacks, Hispanics and so on


      that hasn’t been the law as practised by politicians, lawyers, and judges in our overwhelmingly anti-white climate.  There are encouraging signs that the anti-whites are losing the debate, though.  Such as this article.

  • American_cavalier

    I hope he gets millions!!!! Think of it, raising your Confederate Battle Flag can earn you loads of money with which you could donate to all sorts of causes!

    •  Yeah, it sounds good to turn the tables on the anti-whites, but I really don’t like the ghetto lottery.

      • It’s not ghetto, because he’s white, and it’s not lottery, because he’s not looking to get rich for the sake of getting rich.  A big punitive judgment is the only real deterrence against this future behavior that the justice system practically offers.

        Now, if you want to avoid big payouts, then the best idea is to give in certain circumstances the judiciary the power to summarily fire these kinds of defendants from their jobs and also wipe away their accumulated benefits, pension or otherwise, and make the only monetary compensation available to the plaintiffs pure recompensation for lost wages and benefits.

        If this power existed now, and the judge fired the school administrators and wiped away their pensions, you can bet this will keep all other school admins in line.

  • ncpride

    That might have been true decades ago, but considering the disrespectful way this country treats the very men who fought and died for those Stars and Bars, it’s a little hard to maintain such high respect. White males are marginalized, belittled, and discriminated against more than anyone in this country, and they are the ones who have given the most. I have long since put my race before my nationality.

    • JohnEngelman

      White males are not “marginalized, belittled, and discriminated against.” People with low IQs are. The future belongs to brilliant people of all races.

      • ncpride

        That statement is nonsense even for you John. As much as you post here, and also read the articles I would assume, I’m sure it was hard to type that with a straight face.

        • JohnEngelman

          How are brilliant whites discriminated against? 

          • ncpride

            Are you kidding me, or are you just bored right now and looking for a confrontation/argument/debate?
            Why don’t we start with all the White fire fighters who had to take their case all the way to the SC to get their promotions just because blacks failed the same test. Or the Whites who don’t get into college because they have to meet a ‘diversity’ quota despite having a better academic record.. the list goes on and on and you know it, so stop acting, well, ignorant right now. 

          • JohnEngelman

            I said “brilliant whites.” They prevail. 
            Also, I live in a black majority city. The mayor and most of the people on the city council are black. Nevertheless, the police force is nearly all white. 
            I am not denying that affirmative action exists. Moreover, I am opposed to affirmative action. Nevertheless, I think a lot of whites blame their failures on it when the real reason is low intelligence. IQ matters. 

          •  Right, “brilliant Whites” prevail.  But the rest get thrown to the wolves.  Why are you okay with this?  Brown, yellow, red, black, sepia, and Jewish dullards get to have their own living spaces, but Whites have to be “brilliant” to qualify for life?

          • JohnEngelman

            Our economy is evolving in ways that reduce the value of jobs that can be learned by those of inferior, or even average intelligence, while increasing the value of careers that require genius level IQs to master. 
            Whites with double digit IQs are becoming as superfluous as non whites with double digit IQs. 

          • ncpride

            Well John, I’m sure it won’t be long before that nearly all White police force will be required to hire more ‘diversity’ despite test results, so you can relax.

            You’re saying that White people will need to be brilliant geniuses to avoid being discriminated against…Yet that is already happening to smarter more intelligent Whites and has been for quite a while. Your comments make no sense to me.

          • Sloppo

            I suppose you didn’t noticed what happened to NASA.

          • The Worlds Scapegoat

             How do you define “brilliant white?”

            Is that a white person who grovels in front of their inferiors?


          • The Worlds Scapegoat


            Also, I live in a black majority city. The mayor and most of the people on the city council are black. evertheless, the police force is nearly all white.”

            NO, the police you see are white. The police force is probably half white, but only the whites show up for work. The minorities are goofing off somewhere and still getting paid.

          • The Worlds Scapegoat

              “Sloppo wrote:

            I suppose you didn’t noticed what happened to NASA.”

            Not About Space Anymore.

          • The__Bobster

            Are you being purposely obtuse or are you just trying to lead up to your favorite topic?


            White kids from poor families who score as well as white kids from wealthy families—think George W. Bush—not only get no break, they seem to be the most undesirable and unwanted of all students.

            Though elite schools give points to applicants for extracurricular activities, especially for leadership roles and honors, writes Nieli, if you played a lead role in Future Farmers of America, the 4-H Clubs or junior ROTC, leave it off your resume or you may just be blackballed. “Excelling in these activities is ‘associated with 60 or 65 percent lower odds on admissions.'”

            Writes Nieli, there seems an unwritten admissions rule at America’s elite schools: “Poor Whites Need Not Apply.”

          • Xanthippe2

            “How are brilliant whites discriminated against?”

            JohnEngelman, do you think you are “brilliant”?  Just curious.

          • JohnEngelman

            If I was brilliant I would have a well paying job. That would have shielded me from the experiences that draw me to this website. 
            I take responsibility for my failures. I am not delusional enough to think that my disappointments in life happened because of “race displacement.” I am not paranoid enough to fear “white genocide.”

        •  Engelman is fond of making stupid statements he can’t defend.  He’s probably just another aspie IQ-fetishist with yellow fever and an aversion to (White) children.

      • White males who are of low IQ, low financial wherewithal, or who are
        just poor working Whites are most definitely “marginalized, belittled,
        and discriminated against.” This happens constantly in the media. It
        happens so often that you must be numb to it. From Hollywood, to stand
        up comedy, to the news, Whites are continuously “marginalized,
        belittled, and discriminated against.”

        And how do we know people of all races are brilliant when preference
        is given based on skin color? Just because a person has multiple pieces
        of paper with embossed seals doesn’t make them “brilliant” or even
        qualified for that matter. The proof is in the pudding as they say, and
        the most creative and intelligent people I have ever met, worked with,
        or read about were White.

        Lastly, “the future belongs to brilliant people of all races”, unless
        you are White and cross the God of PC. Any brilliant White who does
        that will be crucified on the cross of public opinion and stripped naked
        of their reputation and business contacts. These unfortunate souls will
        be “excommunicated” from the church and cast aside, regardless of their

        • ncpride

          Excellent post, and more articulate than mine. John knows these things are true, so I can only hazard a guess that perhaps he’s had a glass of wine too many tonight to make such ridiculous statements.

      • anarchyst

        John, what stuff are you smoking?  You are dead wrong.  Just because you may not have been discriminated against because of your race doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen to other whites on a daily basis.
        I suspect that your successes are due to you being a member of the “tribe”, you know, the “chosen people”.
        Best regards,

        • JohnEngelman

          I am neither Jewish nor am I particularly successful. I do not blame others for my failures and disappointments, however. I certainly do not blame affirmative action and political correctness. 
          If you visit one of the best universities in the country, like Harvard, you will find that most of the students are white, closely followed by Oriental. 
          The reason most are liberal is not because of “brainwashing.” These young people can think for themselves. They think very well. 
          The reason most are liberal is because of noblesse oblige. They agree with Charles Murray that ” no one deserves his IQ,” and that IQ, rather than moral worth, is what matters on the job market.
          In addition, they are intelligent enough to see through the lies and distortions of the Republican Hate Machine.

      •  People with low IQs are not discriminated against, White people are.  As usual, you have the wrong site.

        • JohnEngelman

          If white people are discriminated against, why are so many of them so successful? Why do the best universities in the country have predominately white student bodies? 

          • mikejones91

            Majority rules, John. You knew that. Its proportion. Not white privilege.  Have you been watching Louis C.K stand up specials lately? I love the man, but he has some “anti” in him.

          • The Worlds Scapegoat

            “JohnEngelman wrote: If white people are discriminated against, why are so many of them so successful? Why do the best universities in the country have predominately white student bodies?”

            Whites who are successful have not identified the man behind the curtain.

            Universities have predominately jewish student bodies.

      • Sheila Dinehart

        Yes they are!  But things are looking up…the future is bright for the Authentic White. 

      • Well stated John. Rednecks do have low IQs…it seems that the conservative christian (white) right wing-nuts have no problem labeling some people of color as “low IQ” and that maybe rightfully so, but when it comes to dumb uneducated incompetent whites from the lower middle class and lower class ( rednecks, conservative home schooled creationism believing christian dolts and other wing nuts) all of a sudden there seems to be a sudden bout of Amnesia!
        Compared to high IQ well educated immigrants from Asia ( Japan, India, China, Korea) or even those from Israel, the rednecks would seem like retarded clowns! Its classic evolution in action: the survival of the fittest! The future belongs to the brilliant people of ALL races!

        • JohnEngelman

          There are posters here who like to goat about low average IQs for blacks and Hispanics. When I remind them of the high averages for Orientals and Jews, they become angry at me. 
          Hey! Turnabout is fair play. 
          I am neither Oriental nor Jewish, but I have a high regard for each group. I admire intelligent people.  
          Anyway, welcome to American Renaissance. Yours is a voice that is needed here. Please keep posting. 

          • Vil

            Is Angelina your wife or something or why does she post the same things you often do?

            What are you then if not a Jew or some Asian-Hybrid?
            Your surname is exactly one of the names Ashkenazi jews often take. I never heard of a real German or English “Engelman”.

            Same as you and Angelina, I admire intelligent people of other races. But what do they want in white countries? Let them stay in their own.

          • ncpride

            I don’t see posters here ‘gloating’ over low IQ in minorities. That’s usually disscussed while addressing crime and the achievement gap they’ve been trying to close for 50 years. Stating facts is not ‘gloating’…..

            You know as well as I do that her post will be removed as soon as a moderator sees it.

            Since turnabout is fair play, I’d take those.. how did your friend put it.. ?White, redneck, conservative christian, dumb, incompentent, lower middle class dolts, over those black and brown gang baging, flash mobbing, drug cartel, murderous, high school drop out thugs any day of the week.

          • JohnEngelman

             I’d take those.. how did your friend put it.. ?White, redneck, conservative christian, dumb, incompentent, lower middle class dolts, over those black and brown gang baging, flash mobbing, drug cartel, murderous, high school drop out thugs any day of the week.  
            – ncpride       
            I actually agree with you here. What is more, I think Christians are fine. I am one. Nevertheless, Orientals have a lower crime rate than whites. They have as much right to be in this country as you do. 

          • JohnEngelman

            Nichts auf der Welt ist so gerecht verteilt wie der Verstand, Denn jedermann ist überzeugt, dass er genug davon habe.” – René Descartes, 
             If Angelina’s avatar is her photo, I fear she is out of my price range.  Engelmann is a German craft name, like Baker, Goldsmith, and Fisher. The Engelmanner made angels for churches.  What difference would it make if I was Jewish? The Jews are a gifted people. They benefit every country they live in.  

          • ncpride

            I’ve had ancestors who have fought and died in every war this country has ever fought up to and including WW2, so don’t tell me all these Asian immigrants have just as much right to this country as I do. We’ve been here for centuries, but I guess none of that matters to you since we ‘race replaced’ those poor Indians, huh?

            Perhaps I should go to China or Japan and tell them I have just as much right to their homelands as they do. Oh! Wait.. they don’t put up with that nonsense…. silly me.

          • JohnEngelman

            I’ve had ancestors who have fought and died in every war this country has ever fought up to and including WW2. 
            – ncpride
            How many American Indians did your ancestors kill why they were race displacing the Indians? 

          • ncpride

            They killed as many as it took to protect what was theirs, I’m sure. Don’t pretend they didn’t attack without cause themselves, and they were all innocent victims. Much land was BOUGHT by settlers with Indian consent. Would you also like a body count of all the Englishmen they killed during the Revolutionary War as well?

        • JohnEngelman

          There are posters here who complain about “race displacement.” when I remind them that whites race displaced the American Indians they invent imaginary European settlers who were here before the Indians. How plausible is that? Not plausible at all. Try to get into one of the boats that Europeans may have been able to build twenty thousand or more years ago, and see how easy it is to cross the Atlantic. 

        • Vil

           Angelina, you seem to forget there is always a “dumb uneducated incompetent” lower class in every country or race.
          Do you think that Chinese ricefarmers are much smarter then some rednecks?

          Your post clearly shows that you didn´t really think about what you were writing. You seem to have had a sudden bout of Amnesia as well.

    • GB101

      Battle Flag, not Stars and Bars.

  • Spartan24708

    I assume that by “stars and bars” you mean the Confederate battle flag which is the normal object of offence. The real stars and bars is the first national flag which looks nothing like the CBF.

  • xthred

    The wrong side won.

  • Detroit_WASP

    Had the bus driver worn a Tee-shirt with “wigger” across the front and worn baggy pants, he would have likely been made a supervisor or been put in charge of diversity.   

    It is amazing to me that the farther we get from the civil war, the more hated the rebel flag is.  
    The reeducation of Americans to the leftist view seems to be working pretty well.

    In Detroit, several city council members wear African garb, hang around with Black Panthers, are openly anti-white.   No stories about that in the paper. 

  • crystal evans

    I can guarantee you if a black had a picture of Malcolm X in the back of his truck, nothing would be done. What happened to freedom of speech. I guess it is for some people, but not all.

  • MekongDelta69

    aka Leroy Jefferson (of course).

    Exterminate White People:

    You can talk to him if you’d like:
    [Give him AmRen’s URL. Let me know how that goes!]

  • Remember what all these ‘accusations’ of racism are about.

    If you care about white racial identity or racial issues you are called racist.  

    IN other words, whites are being told they have no right to exist.

    Call them out on that fact and dont apologize.

    This is not about ‘racism’, but it is about race.


    • SBPDL is doing a billboard campaign. Paul is being really secretive about it. I think he is going to put one up that simply states White people exist, we have a culture and a bloodline. The expectation is that minority groups will cry foul and say it’s racist. The catch is, if you dispute the contents of the billboard, you are saying White people don’t have the right to exist, that’s calling for genocide.

      • This is what needs to be done.  It must be thrown back in their faces.

        If you can do it, so can I.  Equality.  They wanted it, demanded it but didn’t get it.  The Pendulum must be balanced.  I mean to say, colored people are being left behind.  You know them as The White Peoples.

        There’s just too many ways to shut these people down.  Why we’re not doing it is completely beyond me.

  • Chimp Master Rules

    While this guy is probably not a rocket scientist, I give him credit for showing some guts.  Imagine if 99 other whites did this . . . say two per state.  I’m guessing the system would pretty much grind to a halt.

    That’s the funny thing about a dictatorship.  It’s all-powerful against an individual but it collapses from the weight of civil disobedience.

    And what is saying NO to political correctness but a modern form of non-violent, civil disobedience?

    • That’s what I say.  Never Submit your Speech to them.  Never submit for approval.  Free Speech doesn’t need approval and that’s why it’s Free.  Actually, it’s about Honesty.  You can’t be Honest if you can’t Speak Freely.  Free Speech is about many things but Honesty is the Core.

    • William_JD

      That’s right – they can always outnimber us if we rebel one at a time, and that’s why any sort of White organization is “streng verboten!”

  • JackKrak

    I’ll just go ahead and assume that the guy would have had no problems at all if he had a big Mexican flag with “Reconquista” written across it.

  • JohnEngelman

    That will only last as long as whites with high IQs allow it to continue. Inferior races do not displace superior races. 

    • The__Verdict__of__History

      I prey that you are correct, sir.

    • Sloppo

      You should visit Detroit some time.

    • The Worlds Scapegoat

       They do not displace them. They kill them off.

  • mikejones91

    I went to Chic-Filet on “Chic appreciation day”. To be fair, I was completely ignorant to the whole deal. I didn’t know it was “Chic” day. There was close to 500 people there. Many blacks, lots of whites, and a few Amish (believe or not). Blacks are very anti-gay. They also love good chicken (but who doesn’t) so its a perfect fit.

    • The__Bobster

      There are usually very few Bantus in the CFA’s because while they like good chicken, they like cheap chicken.

  • The__Verdict__of__History

    Can you say:

    The Passing of the Great Race…?

  • GB101

    It is highly unlikely the bumper displayed the Stars and Bars.   It is almost certainly the Battle Flag.  That is one with the X.  The Stars and Bars is different and would have stirred no controversy.

  • GB101

    They were not rebels.  Sovereigns don’t rebel.

    • Sheila Dinehart

      That is taking it a little in the narrow vein isn’t it? 

    • They do when they’re being invaded.

  • crystal evans

    You would luck out because nobody would know who Jared Taylor and Madison Grant are.

  • GB101

    If you ever get on this side of the water be sure to go to Chick-fil-A.  The food is good.  The employees are well-trained, helpful, and always smiling.  The customers are a cut above too.  Reading while they eat a quiet lunch.  Not a big deal, but you will notice this more here than at other places.

    When the mayors of some of major cities said they would not let the company expand into their jurisdictions, they proved once more what we all know: scratch and liberal politician and you will find a tyrant.  Much of the support of CFA has nothing to do with gay marriage.  It is an outcry against the liberals’ disdain for the rule of law and the United States Constitution.  

  • Sheila Dinehart

    As a “Real Great Great” I personally dislike seeing these kinds of things done to the symbols and images representing the CSA, especially regarding the Battle Flag.  This must have been one of those awful stickers (T shirts, beach towels, and etc) one sees from time to time…the measurements of the Battle Flag are usually misrepresented on these kinds of things anyway but that flag -bumper sticker is the most popular for red necks who consider themselves workers (Funny how times have changed.  Imagine just being a worker makes one feel oppressed enough to rebel in this society.).  Is it strange that the lines have become so blurred regarding workers, rebels, red necks, not to mention being a true descendent of a Confederate Soldier! As much as I dislike seeing such things I have to say that this guy should get his job back with an apology and a monetary settlement to his satisfaction.

    If I saw a bar with Confederate icons all over the place I would feel safe going in…(but even I will avoid one with motorcycles every where, I think) yet I also know it causes others fear, or dread. But lots of things have caused me fear and dread, like when I think of going to the downtown park and what is there all over the place, lying on the ground drunks…in my grandfathers day they would be rounded up and horse whipped black or white, so if I have had no other choice than to deal with it so can they.

    I hate the whole political correctness thing. That thugocracy of an ideology born of  MarxistcommieLeftistRadicalFraudian-oops was that a Slip?killers, and thugs in government,universities, the media, and all areas of the law in every which way imaginable specifically designed to take down, to deconstruct traditional American (western/white…let me be obvious here: especially old WASP…yes they have a grudge there…know what it is?) rights of the individual over the so-called rights of the mob mentality.

    What’s wrong with “red neck” anyway?

    Go Bubba!

    • If I saw a Confederate Lovin’ Bar with lots of bikes outside, I’d go in and I’d feel extremely safe too.  This is not to say I’m blind to what goes on in certain circles.

      rebel and redneck – I agree.  People have free reign to pervert our language but I won’t stand for it.  It’s like the term “racist”.  I am a racist.  A racist doesn’t hate people, they just believe their own people are better and they discriminate against non-whites ’cause it’s just natural.  I mean, they consider their own first before ever thinking of anyone else and that is where the discrimination comes into play.

  • Sheila Dinehart


  • Jared Pierce

    Verdict of History:
    Good luck with that.  You will  probably get flack from some who get what you are saying. And you  probably will be forced to take it off and  put something else on. Do you have a strategy for what to do when that happens? We will  probably be commenting on your story, come September. I wish you luck and perseverence. 

  • Sheila Dinehart

    Bet that school parking lot has cars with bumper stickers like  MALCOM X, NOI, OBAMA or NAACP or ACLU or SPLC  or any one or more of the thousands of other anti American slogans…it is so official to hate America (western influence) even America’s President protects the haters…ha ha, bet that school hasn’t a single black person or person of color enrolled there.

    •  SPLC bumper stickers?  I’ve never heard of them.  Though I did propose as a joke awhile back to have bumper stickers printed that read, “Support Your Local ADL:  Tyranny’s Last Line of Defense.”

      Bumper stickers are passe anyway.  Many people lease their new cars now, and most leases disallow bumper stickers.  Also, I am suspicious of anyone whose car  has too many bumper stickers, left or right wing.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      There seems to be some kind of entrenched conventional wisdom that ALL teachers are hard core lefties.  This is not true, especially for White teachers.  

      Teachers may come out of ed school spouting mindless marxist bumper sticker slogans: “All Children are Good,”  “We ALL bleed red,” or “IQ is meaningless” — but by Xmas at the latest all of the brainwashing is gone!!  

      Teaching in a black/brown school tends to make one a hard-core race realist, and quickly.

      Of course, most of this is shared far off of school property, behind closed doors and in the company of long-time trusted friends.

      If these walls could talk…


  • The__Bobster

    You mean when he fired people who had no right to strike after he warned them not to strike? Was he supposed to back down?

    • PATCO?

      There’s a reason air traffic controllers that work for the FAA aren’t allowed to strike.  That’s because the economy noticeably slows down if airplanes can’t fly, which what happens if they can’t take off and land safely.

      If Coke workers go on strike, we can all drink Pepsi until it’s solved, society doesn’t appreciably slow down.  In fact, that’s leverage that the Coke workers union (if there is such a thing) has over Coke management.  There is not a separate sky and set of airports to use.

      Reagan was the first and thus far only President to have been a labor union leader earlier in life.  Yeah, Screen Actors Guild, not exactly the hard hat types in manufacturing and heavy industry.  But a union nonetheless.

  • jake

    In schools they have world culture day where many flags are flown. They have no problem with the Chinese flag – a commie flag or a Mexican flag – from one of the most corrupt nations in the western hemisphere. Yet they have a problem with the Rebel flag…..

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      They have trouble with the American flag…

      Remember this:

      Administrators at a California high school sent five students home on Wednesday after they refused to remove their American flag T-shirts and bandannas — garments the school officials deemed “incendiary” on Cinco de Mayo

      Or this:

      Middle Schooler Told to Remove American Flag from Bike Because it Could Stir Racial Tensions

      The barbarians aren’t AT the gate they are IN the gate.


  • razorrare

    Can the school fire an  employee over a confederate flag on his/her truck? Well,if precedence means anything the answer to that is yes.Is it right?…No.Good to see that it is being challenged.

    Heck,the U.S. Marines boot recruits with confederate tattoos…

  • razorrare

    and while recruits are rejected for having a confedeerate tattoo,the military accepts those with gang symbols…

    The F.B.I. Announces Gangs Have Infilytrated Every Branch of the Military…

  • razorrare

    Excerpt from article–Marines Boot Recruits with Confederate tattoo…

    We’ve seen this before’
    Other service members and recruits have dealt with similar issues concerning Confederate flag tattoos and military policy.
    The Southern Legal Resource Center, or SLRC, is a nonprofit legal foundation that has handled a number of legal cases involving the Confederate battle flag.
    “We’ve seen this before,” SLRC Chief Trial Counsel Kirk Lyons told WND. “This is not a unique situation. {snip} There was one more incident a couple of years ago where another Marine recruit was refused enlistment because of a battle flag tattoo.”
    Lyons said the case of the Marine with a Confederate flag bumper sticker was resolved without legal action because the base commander decided to leave it alone. However, he said most enlistees and recruits don’t pursue legal action or complaints, so the policy is never challenged.
    ‘This is an insult to us’
    In a recent commentary posted on numerous blogs, Andrews recounted his experience:
    “I informed the young sergeant that my family had defended the state of Tennessee (also his home state) against a sadistic invasion under that flag and to call our sacred flag of honor a ‘hate symbol’ was an insult to all southerners, but especially to those southerners who had risked or even given their lives in service to the Marine Corps. Southerners had served at Belleau Woods, at Tarawa and Iwo Jima, at Inchon and the Chosin Reservoir, and at Khe Sanh and Hue City, but now we are no longer wanted in the politically correct, don’t-offend-any-minorities military?”
    The sergeant politely explained that the policy was handed down by headquarters.
    Andrews continued, “I asked the sergeant if he had taken out the trash yet. He replied that he hadn’t.
    “I then said, ‘Please add these to the day’s garbage,’ and returned my lieutenant’s bars, my gold and silver Marine Corps emblem from my dress blues, my shooting badges and my Vietnam ribbons.
    Andrews told WND he was born in the South, raised in the South and will always be a Southerner.
    “This is an insult to us,” he said. “We’ve laid our lives on the line in the Marine Corps since there was a Marine Corps. We fought in every campaign that the Marine Corps has been involved in. When I was in Vietnam, there were Confederate flags at every base, every fire-support base over there. Nobody said anything about it. There were state flags, Confederate flags, and it was no big deal.”
    Andrews said he is not angry. Rather, he is disappointed in the Marine Corps.
    “I thought if it had been a bunch of political hacks or a school board or a local government or some municipality that was pretty spineless anyway, I really wouldn’t have been surprised,” he said. “That happens all the time. But I felt that the Marine Corps had a little more backbone and a little more character than that.”
    Asked what he would say to people who believe the Confederate flag represents racism and slavery, he responded, “I’d say they don’t know much about history. Slavery existed under the United States flag much longer than it ever did under the Confederate flag.”
    Confederate flag: Symbol of ‘terrorism’ or independence?
    The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, or NAACP, recently fought to ban the Confederate flag from the South Carolina Statehouse. NAACP leaders have said the Confederate flag “supports the evils of slavery” and “represents terrorism.”
    Meanwhile, a May 9, 2000, survey by Gallup Poll News Service posed this question to Americans, “Do you, yourself, see the Confederate flag more as a symbol of Southern pride, or more as a symbol of racism?”
    A full 59 percent of all respondents said they believe it is a symbol of Southern pride, while only 28 percent saw it as a symbol of racism.

  • Using the correct Flag is a good idea but changing our vernacular is not.  I prefer people to learn the correct meaning of words and if they can’t, that’s their problem.

    Sir, non-whites will never change and the verdict has been rendered.  I mean to say, Law is not on our side.

    The only language to be changed is our own.  Non-whites and traitor whites can be shut down very easily.  They’re stubborn and will go like race horses but they can be shut down.  

    Beat them down with things like Personal Responsibility.  The fact that they have every opportunity handed to them for doing nothing but being non-white or not being a White Man.  The lies about slavery.  Founding Father Writings about immigration and immigrants.  Welfare is illegal (taxation without representation).  Anchor babies are illegal (illegality does not birth legality).  mlk is a proven plagiarist.  The White Peoples are supposed to have the same Rights and be treated Equally as everyone else.  islam is evil and belongs nowhere.  Segregation is Right because everyone does it naturally anyway.  White People have a Right to be left alone.  Non-whites cannot have their race based groups if White People can’t have any without being called racist for it.  I can like or dislike anyone and for any reason I choose (free to associate).  I have a thousand different ways of throwing it back in their faces.

    As for your name calling (redneck) part; prove it.  White People have already been beat and been called names and you get only guess as to where that went.  The “law” is not for you white boy.

    reduce vandalism – put cameras in your vehicle.  Sir, Never Stand Down.  Every time we change for them, they win.  These are weak little people we’re willing to bow to and that ain’t right.

  • Somewhere in The Bible God says, you will push back a hundred and a hundred of you will push back a thousand or something like that.  We will Win.

    • NO 
      you WON’T!!!! Whites will LOSE!

      • ncpride

        Lose what Angelina?

      • Undertow is her Name and The Tide is her Game.

        You and yours are about to be swallowed and carelessly drug across the harsh sandy floor of the Ocean and for miles too and all without a thought given to your ability to breathe and forget about breaking away from the hard and mean roll you find yourself engulfed in.The above means, you’ve done run up all the debt the worse of the worse loan sharks will loan aka, Third World Owns You ‘cept this time, ‘ole whitey ain’t bailing you out.

  • razorrare

    “The future belongs to all the brilliant people of all races.”…so says mendez & engelman…

    Intelligence,like beauty, is in thee eyes of the beholder. “Brilliant people,” can be mass murderers & tyrants,child molestorers & self-haters,deceivers…Brilliant people vote for & support people like barack hussien obama…

    On these pages of Amren, moderators get to decide(with the guidance of Mr.Taylor)which posts will be deleted for denigrating a group of people,proselytizing(their definition) or for simply being off-topic.

    It is my guess that God will decide which “brilliant people” have a future.

  • razorrare

    “The future belongs to all the brilliant people of all races.”…so says mendez & engelman…

    Intelligence,like beauty, is in thee eyes of the beholder. “Brilliant people,” can be mass murderers & tyrants,child molestorers & self-haters,deceivers…Brilliant people vote for & support people like barack hussien obama…

    On these pages of Amren, moderators get to decide(with the guidance of Mr.Taylor)which posts will be deleted for denigrating a group of people,proselytizing(their definition) or for simply being off-topic.

    It is my guess that God will decide which “brilliant people” have a future.

  • Church_of_Jed

    Only a redneck would be disgusted at Serena Williams, who has made women’s tennis unwatchable and disgraced integration:

    Then the 30-year-old who will end her career as one of the greatest tennis players of all time did something that could be interpreted two ways: As a stupid and insensitive celebration that dampened the crowning moment, or as a joy-filled nod to her roots.

    The woman who grew up in Compton did the Crip Walk.

  • Major

    What is most ironic about this whole situation is: A Jew, Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago….telling folks that CFA doesn’t represent the values of Chicago! 

    Now…as we all see it these “values” are a city at war with itself….the beneficiaries of Al Capone, corruption, violence and on weekends…mass murder of blacks by blacks. A city that bans it’s citizens from owing weapons for self defense…thus making the 2nd Amendment illegal in Chicago and denying all it’s citizens that CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT!! 

    How can it be that any state / city in America can withhold constitutional protections from any of it’s citizens?

    Now back to “Rahm”….does he not know that AH…(Adolph Hitler) ) and his Nazi crew…basically said the same things…about…yep…you guessed it…Jews!

    Does this moron not know that Jews…were denied to right to prosper, do business and allowed to free enterprise…regardless of their religious affiliations?

    What this POS has said is this: “Chicago” values..are anti Christian..anti family…anti God, country and our Constitution.

    And this fool…this poor silly stupid fool…doesn’t realize that he’s adopted the same political views of AH that was responsible for the deportations and elimination of many…many…of his relatives.

    God help us when the mayors of any American cities can declare a persons constitutionally protected 1st Amendment rights…persona no grata….or…unwelcome.

    Shame…..shame on Rahm…here he was a year ago…supporting his boss….Obama…on marriage being between a man and a woman.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      What is most ironic about this whole situation is: A Jew, Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago…

      Yes.   This hypocrite has WELCOMED anti-semite Anti-Semitic Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan to Chicago!!

       Farrakhan recently offered to help police high-crime areas of Chicago in the wake of an uptick in murders. Mayor Emanuel accepted Farrakhan’s assistance.

      Farrakhan condemned homosexuality as a ‘sin, according to the standard of God.’

      AND, in 2008, 0bama stated:

      I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian — for me — for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix…. I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage.

      Was 0bama lying then, or is he lying now??


  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Kenneth Webber could wear a dress to work and that would be OK.

    Also OK — flying a gay pride or Mexican flag.

    But a Confederate or even and AMERICAN flag — Well, that’s different!!  

    THAT is now considered subversive or a sign of “domestic terrorism” and the government MUST put a STOP to IT.

    The real crime is offending one of the government’s protected classes — welfare leeches, illegal immigrants from Mexico or Central America, gays protesting at Chick-Fil-A, leftist university professors, well, everyone except for straight Whites.


  • 14POLK88

    I have the stars and bars tattooed on the right side of my chest and the bonnie blue on the left. I am from the deep south and the flag means a lot to me!

  • GB101

    They do not have such legal power.  Every municipality has zoning ordinances, health codes, rules about curb cuts, and other similar things, but the rules must be applied impartially.  The views of the company’s CEO on gay marriage are not among the established criteria.

    A mayor could use his political power in an extra-legal fashion and make it difficult to for  a company to get the necessary permits.  It is unlikely that any of the mayors in question would try that with Chick-fil-A.  Too  obvious; to high profile; too risky politically and legally.  However, the news about these mayors is just one example of the declining respect for the rule of law in the United States.

    I will give one huge example of this declining respect: British Petroleum was forced to pay something like 18 billion dollars into a fund controlled by a special official appointed by the president.  This fund will be used to compensate persons harmed by the oil spill.  This official will divvy up the money.

    BP and others certainly must be held responsible for the damage they caused.  We have laws and courts to determined responsibility and damages.  But the government didn’t bother with these niceties.  It just told BP to pay up.  And no one uttered a word of protest.