Above a cheap mobile phone shop in a chaotic street in north Delhi, there is a grimy apartment whose peeling walls are decorated with photographs of adoring mothers nursing their babies.

The woman cooing at her child in the biggest portrait is beautiful, white and affluent-looking—in stark contrast to the flat’s five residents, four of whom are pregnant, while the other is being pumped full of hormones in the hope she will soon conceive.

They are all uneducated, bare-footed, dirt-poor Indian women from outlying villages—and given the emotional turmoil that awaits them, one would have thought the very last thing they would wish to do is spend their enforced nine months of confinement here gazing upon images of maternal bliss.

Nominally, this forlorn place is a care home for surrogate mothers—at least that is how it is described by the company that runs it, Wyzax Surrogacy Consultancy, which is cashing in on India’s booming new babies-for-sale business.

It boasts of being the country’s first ‘one-stop shop for outsourced pregnancy’. In truth, though, it is nothing less than a baby factory; the end of a grim production line on which children are being designed to order for wealthy couples, mainly from Western countries including Britain, as if they were custom-built cars.

Indeed, as I have discovered during an eye-opening three-week investigation into India’s burgeoning, billion-dollar surrogacy industry, the motor-manufacturing analogy is all too apt.

For under an astonishing—and many will think nightmarishly futuristic—programme devised to make the most efficient use of resources, or ‘optimise’ their baby producing system, as they put it, Wyzax and their partner agencies now source and assemble the ‘components’ of some babies in a variety of different countries before flying the resulting embryo to India to be implanted in the surrogate.

According to the Delhi-based agency’s whizz-kid young bosses, Vivek Kohli and Jagatjeet Singh, they do this for a small but growing number of clients—about 15 per cent—who, for various reasons, don’t wish to use Indian eggs or an Indian fertility clinic, or even set foot in India until they take delivery of the baby they have ordered.

For all their apparent desperation to start families, these so called ‘IPs’, or intended parents, have also become ever-more demanding in their specifications; many want babies who emanate from a gene pool which maximises the possibility that they will not only resemble them but have, say, blond hair and blue eyes (and hopefully be attractive, sporty and intelligent into the bargain).

Kohli and Singh have therefore devised a ‘protocol’ that works roughly like this: after careful screening for genetic illnesses and an IQ test, attractive young female egg donors from countries such as Ukraine, Lithuania, Georgia, Armenia and Belarus are advertised in an online catalogue for prospective parents to browse.

In Eastern Europe, there are all too many hard-up women willing to endure fertility treatment, a long flight to California or Boston, and an uncomfortable operation under anaesthetic to sell their eggs for up to £750 a batch.

And as human eggs cannot be frozen and transported, and there are few surrogacy clinics or wombs available for rent in Eastern Europe, these donors travel, at the height of their monthly cycle, to the United States, where the eggs are extracted and fertilised with the father’s sperm (which can be transported, frozen, from his country of residence, and stored indefinitely).

Lesbian couples or couples where the male partner is infertile can use donor sperm, which is widely available in America and some European countries.

Another advantage of creating babies in a U.S. laboratory is that many couples have a preference for gender, and the ‘sexing’ of test-tube babies is permitted in some states there. It is banned in India, where the preference for sons drives many to female infanticide.

Few American women are willing to act as surrogates—at least not cheaply—but impoverished Indian women are literally queuing up outside surrogacy clinics these days. It is cheaper to hire a womb here than anywhere else in the world, hence its dubious place at the centre of the sci-fi-style ‘global baby’ boom.

Once created, the embryos are frozen to minus 196c, placed in liquid nitrogen canisters resembling small milk-churns, then flown 8,000 miles from the U.S. to cities such as Delhi and Bombay, where they are implanted.

Here, though, the comparison to a car production line ends. As I saw when visiting the ‘baby factory’, the women who incubate and hatch these identikit children would be better compared to brood mares.

They are so desperate to feed, clothe and educate their own families that they are prepared to risk being shunned by their husbands and communities for a fee of up to £4,000; an amount they wouldn’t earn in ten years working in their traditional jobs as domestic servants. All they need do to reap this vast sum—or so these often illiterate souls are told when they make agreements often put together by shady fixers—is to lie around watching TV all day, eating nutritious food they would never ordinarily be able to afford, and be dosed with vitamins and hormones.

Oh, yes, and they must hand over their white, blue-eyed babies (often delivered prematurely by Caesarean section to minimise the risk of perinatal complications) without so much as one, brief parting cuddle—to ensure there is no danger of them bonding.

How does it feel to be carrying a child destined to be removed from her and handed to a foreign couple she will never meet, I ask 25-year-old surrogate Pakhi, whose much older husband recently died of a heart attack, leaving her to care for their five-year-old daughter in penury.

‘I haven’t told my neighbours in the village, only my close family know,’ she says, grinning with embarrassment. ‘I try not to think about whose baby I’m having. If I see the baby I think I’ll be sad, but if I don’t see it, I think I won’t.’

Uneasy with her answer, one of the agency staff interjects snappily. ‘I’m telling you—they are not very much emotionally attached with the babies. They are mentally prepared and they’ll get their money, and that’s it.’

Like all the major players in the lucrative surrogacy industry—the fertility gurus, recruitment agents, and egg donor companies—Wyzax is flourishing for a variety of reasons that make India the destination of choice for many desperate western couples.

Whereas commercial surrogacy is illegal in most European countries, including Britain, in India it is not only permitted but tacitly encouraged and regulated only by an ill-enforced code of practice, not by law. A new surrogacy bill is being discussed, but is years away from the statute books.

Starting at just £15,000, package prices for a baby here are also up to five times cheaper than in the United States.

An increasing proportion of clients are gay couples—though as homosexuality was only recently decriminalised in India, and remains widely taboo, I was urged not to tell the surrogates I met that they might be carrying babies for same-sex parents.

During my visit to the ‘factory’, however, the sheer confusion that can occur when babies are created and bought on demand became farcically apparent.

As I spoke to Rahima, who is staying there with her children, aged two and three months, she told me how she was recently introduced to the Israeli father of the twins she is expecting. In fact, I later discovered, this man was a Tel Aviv agency boss visiting the ‘factory’.

Wyzax bosses told me they had discussed a possible partnership deal with Bourn Hall, the world-renowned, Cambridge-based fertility centre where IVF pioneers Patrick Steptoe and Robert Edwards created the world’s first test-tube baby, Louise Brown, in 1978.

Although the clinic has recently opened two branches in India which offer surrogacy, a spokeswoman categorically denied they had any involvement with this so-called ‘one-stop shop’.

Bourn Hall says its new clinics will serve childless Indians, not foreigners, and doubtless they will be run to its exacting moral and ethical standards; would that the same could be said for all India’s surrogacy practitioners.

During my inquiries among companies who offer such services, I uncovered some deeply disquieting practices, such as the termination of unwanted pregnancies that can occur when clients pay a premium for multiple embryos to be implanted to maximise the chances of conception. If too many embryos develop, some are then selectively terminated.

Euphemistically, the Indians call this ‘reduction’. Many would call it abortion, even though it takes place only a couple of weeks into the pregnancy.

I was also told how imported sperm and embryo canisters are sometimes ‘mistakenly’ opened by customs officers, so that the contents thaw and have to be destroyed. The potential for mistakes is terrifying.

Take the Canadian couple who used one such agency to have a family. They were denied a passport for one of their twins after a DNA test—compulsory under their government’s law—revealed they had been duped and the baby had been fathered by someone else.

Another current example of how wrong these Brave New World baby-making arrangements can go is illustrated by the Kafkaesque legal nightmare that has beset a gay British marketing consultant and his partner. Their case is quietly rumbling on in a British court.

When the two men—one in his 30s, the other in his 40s—decided to start a family, they prepared meticulously, checking many of the country’s 600-plus clinics before choosing the family-run Kiran Infertility Centre, hundreds of miles from Delhi in Hyderabad.

‘Ironically, one of the reasons that attracted us to it was that it seemed more ethical and less hard-sell than the others,’ one of them told me from their West Country home this week.

They used a donor whose eggs were fused with one of the men’s sperm so that he could be the biological father.

Soon afterwards they were told, to their delight, that their 30-year-old surrogate (whom they opted not to meet) was pregnant with twins.

They had agreed to pay the clinic about £20,000—some £4,000 of which was to go to the surrogate—and in June last year, when they were handed two beautiful, healthy sons, it seemed a cheap price to pay for such unbridled joy.

By then the warning bells had already sounded, however. They say their embryologist Dr Sekhar Samit got the date of conception wrong meaning they were not in Hyderabad at the time of the birth as planned, and only discovered that the most momentous event of their lives had taken place when they checked their email.

They flew to India and met their babies, but it was only when they applied for the UK passports they needed to take the boys home, and the British court order that establishes them as legal parents, that their troubles really began.

As Kiran claimed to have handled a good number of British cases, and to know how to circumvent red-tape, the couple had paid an extra £1,500 for their legal services—only to be told by the British High Commission (who were extremely unhelpful, they say) that they had dealt with this clinic just once previously.

They had to wait for three worrying months in India before the passports were finally issued. But worse was in store when they went to court in Britain and applied for the parental order, without which the birth mother remains the babies’ legal guardian in British law.

Before issuing this vital order, the court must be presented with a document signed by the surrogate, saying she relinquishes all rights to the children, and, crucially, her signature must have been obtained at least six weeks after the birth, so she has had time to gather her emotions and consider her wishes.

But according to the babies’ biological father, the only document the clinic has provided was signed by the surrogate just a few days after she bore the twins—and despite repeated requests, and a costly legal wrangle, they still haven’t received the key piece of paper. Bizarrely, in fact, they say the last document they received from Dr Samit—who this week told me he runs the ‘biggest surrogacy practice in the country’ and is helping six British couples—was a stencilled one-finger salute (the Indian equivalent of a V-sign) sent by courier.

As a result, says the babies’ father, the twins are in ‘legal limbo’, and he and his partner have no lawful right to make any major parental decision about their care, such as whether they should have medical treatment or where they should be educated.

On April 23, when the case was last in court, the judge granted them a six-week extension to present the signed document. If they can’t, their only option will be to apply to adopt the twins. It could be a lengthy, costly, and emotionally draining process—but gauging from my inquiries into this extraordinary and unedifying fiasco this week, I fear it will be the couple’s only recourse.

For I discovered the address given for the surrogate was that of Dr Sesha Sai, the ‘caretaker/arranger’ who recruited her, no doubt for a handsome fee; and Dr Samit told me the surrogate had decamped back to her village, and couldn’t be traced.

He also claimed to have forwarded the requisite document months ago and said the British couple were out to smear his reputation because he had rejected their offer to supply him with would-be British parents—an allegation the babies’ father dismisses as ‘totally outrageous’.

If we believe Wyzax boss Jagatjeet Singh, agencies like his will end such wrangles by ‘systemising and optimising’ the surrogacy service in much the same way as Indian call-centres have for insurance and mobile phone providers.

‘Globalisation is here in the surrogacy business!’ he proclaimed, with a zealous look in his eye.

Much as one feels for the desperate couples who beat a path to his Delhi office, it is a deeply depressing thought. And the sale of cheap, designer babies, made from Ukrainian eggs and British sperm, concocted in an American lab, and spawned in a factory in the backstreets of India, should send chills down the spine.

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  • Athling

    While I can understand the desperation of everyone involved, I don’t like this business. It seems so cold and calculated.

    I’ve always found it interesting though how a white woman who can’t conceive and desperately wants a baby is ever so meticulous about the white racial features she wants the baby to have. I have yet to see any of these women request a mulatto child.

    • sbuffalonative

      Nature is cold and calculating. The problem White people are facing are those of political correctness which is driving down our numbers.

      Any process, natural or artificial, that produces more White people is a plus for us.

      The process may seem cold and calculating to you but the result we be that these children will be produced for racially conscious White parents. We need more of those and hopefully these parents will teach the ideal of White racial consciousness to their children.

      I don’t care how it’s done as long as more White children are being born.

  • This is friggin’ bizarre

  • Where all the asian lovers?  Shouldn’t they be here explaining the intelligence, ethics and morals behind this asian baby factory?

    And while they’re at it, perhaps they can explain the intelligence, ethics and morals about the chinese and their chopping up of babies, drying them, crushing them and then turning them into pills.

    • This is just another example of how the internet and inexpensive jet travel has broken the monopoly Western white women have enjoyed over Western white men….

      These wealthy Western white men who are employing this ghoulish procedure are abandoning Western white women to be egg donors and even just to be surrogate “mothers” to carry their babies!

      If feel sorry for these Indian women who are so poor they rent out their wombs for almost a year. (Cf to prostitutes who just rent out their vaginas for a few minutes at a time.)

      As far as the Oriental (aka Far East Asian) gals I find attractive: they’re Protestant Christians, as am I, so we don’t think and behave as the pagans in our respective races.

      • “monopoly”?  What!?!

        abandon – Perhaps if it wasn’t so “chic” to betray your race, maybe White Men would seek out White Women but no, nope, according to you “white men”, asians are “christian” vs. us “pagans”, they’re “smarter”, “better cooks”, “subservient” and whatever else you people say about them so why are you complaining about White Men abandoning White Women?
        Prostitution – Now ain’t this funny!  If prostitutes aka DESPERATE women, cannot sell themselves without being insulted for it then neither can your asians.oriental – So you’re a race traitor.  Who cares?  What I want to know is, why did you feel such a need to bring that up?  All I asked for was the “intelligence, ethics and morals” behind it.Now, can you kindly explain the “intelligence, ethics and morals”?  And, since you love orientals, can you please explain the “intelligence, ethics and morals” behind the “orientals” chopping up of babies?

        • 1st off: SG, I’m not talking about YOU. Okay?

          2nd:  I already edited out that 1st paragraph since it wasn’t directly on point.

          3rd: As a Christian, I only date Christians. I did NOT say all white women were pagans, or all Oriental gals were Christians, so please don’t mischaracterize my position. 

          4th: I wrote that these Indian women are as desperate as prostitutes and are renting their bodies like prostitutes. There’s nothing funny in what I wrote. I feel sad for both prostitutes and these Indian women.

          5th: To me, abortion is ghoulish and murder. What those Chinese do w/dead babies is also ghoulish. Same with what Hitler did with the Jews and others….

          There are evildoers in all races. These evildoers are sometimes intelligent, so I don’t know why you think intelligence is inherently virtuous. That leaves “ethics and morals.” Since Christians are often inconsistent and fall short of their self-proclaimed beliefs, I am not surprised when pagans — whether Orientals or Occidentals — do not act like consistent Christens. One’s race does not make one immune from sinning….

          • Intelligence is absent in evil people.  Evil people know how to manipulate.  If you call manipulation “Intelligence”, then we have different definitions of Intelligence.

            I wrote “funny” not “haha” funny but funny “queer” funny.  I misread or misunderstood you’re meaning.  It happens.

            I didn’t “mischaracterize”.  You wrote that in a manner that was, I feel, meant to imply you think us White Ladies are Godless.  You chose an oriental because she’s “christian” as if you couldn’t find a good Christian White Woman so you had to go oriental because of it.

            And yes, Intelligence is Dependent on Ethics and Morals.  You’re not Intelligent if you cheat, you’re just a criminal.  You’re not Intelligent if you take advantage when you don’t need it (minority privileges, etc.), you’re just an unethical and amoral greedy leach.  And of course, you’re not Intelligent when you make demands for inclusion in a Country you have no ties to, you’re just another worthless somebody who can’t fix their own Country.

            sinning – Now yer talking!  That’s what I want.  I want you oriental lovers to admit, they’re far from being innocent.

            There ya go again.  “Christians fall” you say.  I hope you’re including yourself here you “Christian” you.  I almost left your “perfect” and “sin-free” oriental wife of yours.  I hope you include her to because the last time I checked, NO ONE is without Sin and EVERYONE falls.  It’s how we learn.

            Last, let’s promise each other that when it all comes down,  we won’t repeat History.  Next time, let’s declare areas for us and never shall either of us try to change the other.

          •  We’ll just have to disagree re. the definition of intelligence. I consider intelligence to be “mental strength”, analogous to physical strength. Just as evil people can be physically strong, they can be mentally strong. Neither, in and of itself, is good or evil, just as guns or nuclear power themselves are neither good nor evil.
            For an example of someone very intelligent, yet evil:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unabomber

            No, white American Christian women are not godless, it is just that a lot of the ones I’ve met have been infected with the attitude Fred on Everything so aptly described. Far fewer Asian American Christian gals, however, have been infected with the mainstream liberal American mindset and therefore are much easier to get along with (“low maintenance”), and thus much more attractive. Just my experience and opinion.

            The Oriental gals I know are very intelligent, yet sweet and polite. They’ve worked hard to get where they’ve gotten, yet they have not lost their femininity. Unfortunately, I’ve not met many single Christian white American gals who’ve been able to do that balancing act.

            SG, I think part of the problem you have in understanding me is that we “oriental lovers” (your term), have a wide range of opinions/beliefs. Some are atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, or whatever, while others are Christians (of any number of denominations), like myself. Some are exclusively Asian attracted, others, like myself, date white or Oriental gals. So please, when interacting with a post of mine, try not to attribute to me the beliefs or behaviors of other white guys one here who may only have in common with me is the fact that they are open to dating/marrying an Oriental or Asian gal. Easiest way of doing that, other than keeping track of each of us “oriental lovers” and our beliefs/practices, is to only reply to what we’ve written.

            If I did not sin, I would not need a Savior. “Only the sick need a physician….” Dittos for EVERYONE else, incl my hoped-for future wife, be she Oriental or Occidental. FYI sin is not how we learn, it is why we all deserve to be condemned — outside of Christ.

            I do not understand what you’re trying to say in your last paragraph.

          • Cali,

            Get out of California.  I’m not replying to this because it’s just too insulting.  White Women are more capable of balancing than ALL non-white women out there combined.  I’m not dealing with your insults to White Women.

            When you learn to be nice to my people, we’ll talk but until, go insult your orientals and leave us White Ladies alone.

          • CA-WASP,

            I’m not trying to be smart with you.  I don’t understand you at all but I’m quite sure, you don’t understand me neither.

      • I missed this apparently.

        Sexual diseases are not limited to White Women.  That is offensive Sir.  I take offense to that I reckon I should say.  Sexual diseases are found in both the promiscuous and the innocent.

        Careers/Degrees – and I don’t disagree.  This whole ‘you don’t need men’ thing is also highly offensive.  Women very much need Men and anyone who says they don’t is a liar through and through.  I really despise this whole ‘men are not needed’ thing because I find it to be nothing more than Pure Hatred for Men.

        abortions – also not limited to White Women.  Stop offending me please!

        Look Cali forn ni a – I feel sorry for Third World too but My People come first.  I’m just not the kind of American who can ignore starving Americans just because some Third World People live in a Third World and are starving too.  I feel that because the asians are as smart as they are, they should be able to fix their own problems.  They do after all, receive Billions upon Billions in Foreign Aide from Americans every year so there really should be no problems.

        • Nope, you didn’t miss it. That is the paragraph I substituted for the one re. “monopoly….”

          STDs: Again, SG, why are you mischaracterizing what I wrote??? I was commenting on an article talking about the fertility problems of white “couples” (in quotes since the article includes homosexual couples). I never said STDs were limited to white women.

          Yes, and men NEED women. As the Puritans preached, women are a necessary good (versus some Catholic teachings that women are a necessary evil to satisfy man’s sexual needs and to populate the earth). As God Himself declared, “it is not good for man to be alone.” This also relates to what I (and Fred), have said previously: the current mainstream American culture makes white women despise being women and being feminine. When I come home after a long day of work, I don’t want to have to deal with an imitation guy w/boobs and long hair. I want to deal with a woman!

          Abortions: “Again, SG, why are you mischaracterizing what I wrote??? I was commenting on an article talking about the fertility problems of
          white “couples” (in quotes since the article includes homosexual
          couples). I never said [abortions] were limited to white women.” SG, this is the THIRD TIME today you’ve mischaracterized what I’ve written. Once again, I, not you, am just in saying: “Stop offending me please!”

          I appreciate the Arnold impersonation….

          I’m all for stopping virtually ALL foreign aid. Can’t say “all” w/o qualification since I’ve not studied the history of foreign aid and what our Founding Fathers may have said re. the issue and our practice in the early days of our Republic.

          IMHO, most foreign aid is evil because, like “welfare”, it has displaced work the church (universal, invisible, eternal), should be doing and is used to spread “democracy” vs spreading the Gospel.

          That’s it for me on this thread.

          • Did you post a link?  If you did, I missed and must look again.  Blame it on the Beer for I am Truly, “innocent” don’t ya know!  Take a joke now Cali.

            White Women can be Ladies too ya know.  Please don’t make it sound like all White Women are Women.  Ladies come in White.

            catlick – I’m not Catholic (technically I am but only because baptism), I don’t know about it and don’t care for it.  What I know is this:  God said the Churches will become corrupt and they have.  I don’t go to Church, don’t believe in Church and will not allow them to fill my head with False Preaching.

            Mainstream – I’m not mainstream.  I’ve never been that.  I follow God, Jesus and My Founding Fathers and that is it.

            “stop offending” – You’re funny!  You misread me and misread you.  It happens.  I don’t like it but if we’re gonna try to understand one another, we’re gonna have to deal with this until we both reach clarification of our feelings.  We’re both sensitive to what we believe and we’re both taking each other perhaps, just a little more than what we both mean.

            Early Republic?  Start with the Barbary Wars.  Asia has never been good to or good for America.

            Foreign Aide – Agreed except, all it does is weaken people.  You can’t learn when you’re being taken care of.  People learn, mostly by hardship.  Cruel this does sound but unfortunately, it’s True.

          • A link??? I’ll assume that is in re. to the Fred on Everything article I mentioned, “Why White Men Prefer Asian Women: The View from the Sushi Bar”
            http://www.fredoneverything.net/AsianWomen.shtml

            Get yee into church! I’d recommend visiting a Presbyterian Church of America (PCA), Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC), Conservative Baptist Association (CBA), and a Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) churches.

            If nothing else, find your local Christian radio channel and listen to Charles Stanley (http://www.intouch.org/ ), Chuck Swindoll (http://www.insight.org/ ), and/or R.C. Sproul (http://www.ligonier.org/ ). You can also listen to them on their websites.

            Not sure if you saw it but I made another reply above (that you haven’t commented on yet), where I point out that not all AmRen posters who are open to Asian/Oriental gals think/believe/behave alike, so best just to interact w/what they specifically posted, not what other “Oriental lovers” have posted.

            FWIW I don’t consider Middle Easterners or North Africans (Barbary Coast), to be “Asians.”

          • Cali Forn Ni A,

            You’re right.  Middle Eastern is not Oriental.  I lump them.  I know I shouldn’t but I’m still doing it.  Perhaps one day I’ll stop.  I need to stop because it sure would help me clarify my meanings.

      • Sherman_McCoy

        Yes, western women squandered their productive child-bearing years pursuing degrees and careers, of which many have disappeared, leaving thousands in student debt, etc.

        • No only that, but the increase we’ve seen in breast cancer rates among white women is because of delayed childbearing.

          If a woman has her 1st full term pregnancy after 30 y.o., she’s got only 3x to 5x the risk of getting breast CA compared to a woman who had her first child before the age of 18.

          The hormonal changes involved with a full-term pregnancy is what fully differentiates breast tissue, reducing their potential for becoming cancerous.

          YOU WILL NEVER BE TOLD THIS BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINST THE FEMINIST/LIBERALS “GENDER EQUALITY” AGENDA!!!

          Same w/the increasing rates of C-sections — women are having their first full-term (vs aborted/miscarried), pregnancies AFTER their pelvic bones fuse in their mid-twenties, and thus do not spread as much during pregnancy.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Comments like your’s are what make me question why I am involved in this movement. Most white women aren’t militant feminists by any means. Why is the bar set so high as to how white women are expected to act? Most of us aren’t having babies at 18 because society, as well as our fathers, in this new day and age, is/are putting pressure on us to go to college. There was no other option for me in my household. I was expected to go to school.

            Why are white women held to such a high standard in this movement when we are emotionally and physically weak compared to men? Both genders have plenty of shaping up to do. Only blaming white women and talking about how Asian women are better, has absolutely no place in this movement. Most white men are still marrying white women. Just because you weren’t able to find a decent white woman, doesn’t entitle you to bash most white women while trying to act like you care about our race.

    • The__Bobster
    • One more thing: a lot of AmRen posters are angry about white guys who consider Asians, esp Orientals, as “the ‘other’ white race” (honorary Aryans?). Yet only 1% of white guys in the US are married to Asian gals!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#Census_Bureau_statistics

      1) Why offend us when we AGREE w/you about stopping illegal immigration, deporting illegal immigrants, securing our borders, changing the law or amending the Constitution to stop “anchor babies”/birth-right citizenship, stopping foreign aid, stopping/reducing welfare, stopping the DREAM Act, Shall Issue (or better) for CCWs in all states, national CCW reciprocity (like DMV licenses), stopping off-shoring of jobs, curtailing student and work visas, and many other issues, ones that are far greater threats to white Americans than the very few Asian-Caucasian marriages? We are valuable allies in those fights, fights which are being lost at this time.

      2) As I wrote, we are only a VERY small number of white guys — only 1%. The real threat to a majority white America are the TENS OF MILLIONS of Latinos who’ve illegally entered this country since at least the 1960s and once here, start having kids in their teens and have twice as many kids as whites. Latinos are the primary drivers of race displacement/replacement in the US.

      AmReners need to keep their priorities straight and focus their anger and activity on the MAJOR threat from immigration, esp illegal immigration, versus the statistically very minor threat from white guys who marry Asian gals….

      Priorities, folks.

      • IMMACT ’90 is all I can say.

        For every single asian allowed in is one European denied.  Asians are being used to replace us too.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        You had me fooled. It sounded to me like you were trying to say all white men agree with you that white women are pathetic creatures.

  • frederickdixon

    Athling said “it seems so cold and calculated”. Yes I suppose it does, but I’m not sure its morally wrong as the indignant tone of the article implies. Is it, for example, any more wrong than the age old western practice of a rich woman employing a poor woman as a wet nurse? (and is it just me or does the article’s indignation seem to focus rather too much on the babies’ whiteness)

    Anyway, even if there are moral objections I don’t think they outweigh the sheer rightness of bringing into the world babies who could not otherwise have existed

    • Who’s Guaranteeing, who’s Proving these Third World Women are being given Proper Nutrition, Proper Exercise, Clean Air to Breathe, Clean Water to Drink and being in an Environment that Promotes Good Mental Health?

      What Mother Eats, Drinks, Breathes and Feels is what Baby Eats, Drinks, Breathes and Feels.

  • bluegrass91

    This all seems like an extremely round-about way to create white children.

  • Oil Can Harry

    We should recall that when IVF, sperm banks and test-tube babies first came upon the scene many felt squeamish about them just as they feel squeamish about this.

    The bottom line is this means more white babies. It also means less third world rugrats shipped here to be adopted by white yuppie dorks. 

  • Harry, Anonymous and Anon,

    I sure hope you don’t regret your want for this.  Many of these babies will be raised in gay and liberal homes and if you think they’re gonna side with your children, I think you are mistaken.

    There should also be great concern in my opinion, for how they are being not only “bred” but grown in that Third World Womb.

    • Kurt Plummer

      SG,

      >>
      I sure hope you don’t regret your want for this. Many of these babies will be raised in gay and liberal homes and if you think they’re gonna side with your children, I think you are mistaken.
      >>

      While I don’t believe in the so-called right of homosexuals of either gender to raise their children, sans imprint from the ‘other half’ of their genetic makeup (epigenetics cue from observed _parental_ as well as sibling behavior to create nicheing in the family environment), the fact is that any child who is born ‘severely white’ to parents who advocate anything but a conservatively white defense is going to automatically have the stench of hypocrisy attached to their counter arguments:  “Oh, you believe everyone can be great because race is just a social construct but your parents thought otherwise?”

      Not.

      That said, the risks of an underground white slave trade redeveloping here are -enormous-.  Especially if multiple implantations are already the norm, to ensure fertility.  Dose a woman with Clomephine or some kind of gonadotropins and she drops 4-5 follicles from each ovary.  Create ten fertilized zygotes and implant six.  If those six fail (and the test will tell you, within hours), reimplant the rest.

      IF NOT.

      How many other would be customers can you have signed up for the issuance of a -secondary- broodmare?  This is how you go from ‘reductions’ to -active breeding of a captive sexual population-.

      Because, as the article indicates, a bad sheet of paper and suddenly you can’t get a passport for them because the birth mother is gone and would have no idea of the ‘didn’t meet them’ donor’s ID if she was somehow trackable.

      And do not think that the Indians are too good to be doing this.  Because their sexual behavior with their own children is abysmal.

      >>
      There should also be great concern in my opinion, for how they are being not only “bred” but grown in that Third World Womb.
      >>

      India uses what should be prenatal screening ultrasound to actively screen for gender, aborting females.  A -pale skinned- child is an instant ticket to the next caste up for Indians, to the extent that they will specify in dating and marriage online sites that those of darker skin need not apply.

      Combine those two effects:

      A sudden drop in the number of in-cohort females for a country that will number some 3 BILLION lives by 2060 (one third of them male of an interested age).

      With the reality of Indians wanting to be Aryan (having killed or absorbed the last white genelines which came through) as ‘unassailable racism’ and you have A MAJOR CROSS CULTURAL VICTIMIZATION ISSUE.

      Don’t pretend that this is innocent but for profit motive.

      • I don’t know what you’re talking about.  All I know is, I’m so repulsed by this, there are no words.

        It is gross.  Those “white babies” being bred inside a Third World Womb inside a Third World Country being fed Third World Food, listening to Third World Language and Third World Music will show itself in that “white” science project “human being” no matter how much people like to think it won’t.  It will.

        I believe those “white babies” will feel a connection to indians and their culture regardless of their “white upbringing”. 

        Bottom line for me is, I belong to God and as far as I’m concerned, this is UNGODLY.  Not everyone is owed a child and not everyone deserves a child.

    • Kurt Plummer

      SG,

      >>
      I sure hope you don’t regret your want for this. Many of these babies will be raised in gay and liberal homes and if you think they’re gonna side with your children, I think you are mistaken.
      >>

      While I don’t believe in the so-called right of homosexuals of either gender to raise their children, sans imprint from the ‘other half’ of their genetic makeup (epigenetics cue from observed _parental_ as well as sibling behavior to create nicheing in the family environment), the fact is that any child who is born ‘severely white’ to parents who advocate anything but a conservatively white defense is going to automatically have the stench of hypocrisy attached to their counter arguments:  “Oh, you believe everyone can be great because race is just a social construct but your parents thought otherwise?”

      Not.

      That said, the risks of an underground white slave trade redeveloping here are -enormous-.  Especially if multiple implantations are already the norm, to ensure fertility.  Dose a woman with Clomephine or some kind of gonadotropins and she drops 4-5 follicles from each ovary.  Create ten fertilized zygotes and implant six.  If those six fail (and the test will tell you, within hours), reimplant the rest.

      IF NOT.

      How many other would be customers can you have signed up for the issuance of a -secondary- broodmare?  This is how you go from ‘reductions’ to -active breeding of a captive sexual population-.

      Because, as the article indicates, a bad sheet of paper and suddenly you can’t get a passport for them because the birth mother is gone and would have no idea of the ‘didn’t meet them’ donor’s ID if she was somehow trackable.

      And do not think that the Indians are too good to be doing this.  Because their sexual behavior with their own children is abysmal.

      >>
      There should also be great concern in my opinion, for how they are being not only “bred” but grown in that Third World Womb.
      >>

      India uses what should be prenatal screening ultrasound to actively screen for gender, aborting females.  A -pale skinned- child is an instant ticket to the next caste up for Indians, to the extent that they will specify in dating and marriage online sites that those of darker skin need not apply.

      Combine those two effects:

      A sudden drop in the number of in-cohort females for a country that will number some 3 BILLION lives by 2060 (one third of them male of an interested age).

      With the reality of Indians wanting to be Aryan (having killed or absorbed the last white genelines which came through) as ‘unassailable racism’ and you have A MAJOR CROSS CULTURAL VICTIMIZATION ISSUE.

      Don’t pretend that this is innocent but for profit motive.

  • WhitesRdumb

    +1000

  • For those who think this is “healthy”: when a woman carries a child, some of her cells migrate into the fetus and some of the fetus’ cells migrate into her. These cells have been found to live for DECADES in both the mother and child. This has been associated w/various autoimmune diseases that women get far more often than men, because men will only get these “foreign” cells as a fetus, but women may get them as a fetus or when she carries her own child/ren.

    If this causes these problems when the mother and child share half their genes, I can’t imagine what will happen here, where the women carrying the baby do not share genes with the child, and aren’t even the same race as the child. Very unnatural, very sick, and very avoidable if whites valued children more than the extra income and ego boost from having a bigger house, better car, because of a 2nd income.

    Cut foreign aid, cut welfare, and cut taxes and be able to afford a large family!

  • KenelmDigby

    The correct terminology is ‘genetic hi-jacking’.

  • sbuffalonative

    I knew the White Man would find a way to keep White genes alive.

    I also believe when recombinant DNA advances, White genes are going to be inserted into non-white genes to add characteristics non-whites don’t naturally possess.

    With advances in White fertility technology, Whites are going to also select ‘designer’ characteristics for their children.

    I also foresee ‘ethical’ challenges to Whites creating a White ‘super race’.

  • Rebelcelt

    If it brings in more White genes and less asian genes to our Western world, I am for it.If the parents are screened for intelligence, strength and Whiteness, I am for it.
    30 years ago I thought test tube babies were strange. Today I have a beautiful niece concieved in such a way. She is a freshman studying Pharmacy. 

    • Kurt Plummer

      RC,

      >>
      If the parents are screened for intelligence, strength and Whiteness, I am for it.>>

      What will happen is one of two things-

      A.  ‘Unable to procreate a generic brown people through social engineering’ (first generation of miscegenation is always so repugnant that it serves to put off everyone else by creating an untouchables class), our masters will do the reverse.  Giving ‘whiteness’ to everyone else until you cannot tell the difference, even if those genetic variations are key to who we are.  Culturally as well as genetically (competitive entrance of whites to backwards cultures only occurs so long as we have unique, intelligence driven, skillsets which our ‘one drop’ rule preserves).

      B.  The first true ‘Aryans’ were likely a group of proto-Vikings, similar to the Rus or the Varangi of the Baltic states, who simply took a turn down the wrong river of central Asia and promptly got themselves _lost_.  Genetically as much as spiritually.  In India.  Where the dominant population, with little or no sexual mores and an explicit, exploitative, attitude towards female children in particular, swallowed up their micro population in a heartbeat.  Not so today, where the commercialization of everything will likely lead to a thriving underground system of ‘blondes from Europe to make you whiter’.

      There will be 3.0 billion humans in India by 2060.  The only way up and out of their color continuum class system will be to whiten up.  This will done exploitatively at the highest levels.  Just as it is done in Mexico.  By those with the money.

      But unlike the hispanics who are firmly patriarchal, little white blonde girls who -do- make it out to the ‘family farm’ (and extended families can be quiet wealthy, even in rural India) will be bred like animals through a dormitory system which breaks them, sexually, at a very young age.  And then through a system of extended sexual access to the brothers, uncles and other high-ranking males of the household, as womb chattel.

      This is not to be celebrated.  It is to be abhorred.

  • refocus

    The success rate for IVF in cattle is about 96%.

    In humans it is only 20%.

    Why?

  • Periapsis

    Exactly, are whites, especially blonde and red-haired white women to be designer “products” for non-whites? There is a creppy ring about the whole thing, I think it could lead to white women being used as unwilling egg donors, or worse. It is indeed hideous and evil to cheapen us in this way,

  • John McNeill

    A race that cannot reproduce on its own is not worthy of life. I hope this does not become the primary method for white reproduction.  I’d rather see aging white women go childless than have their babies implanted in brown and black women.

  • At least the Indians
    are good for SOMETHING
    instead of cheap Customer Support

  • The__Bobster

    Actually, the Asian women are getting $20,000, but it’s still a premium over the others.

  • I don’t see much substance in your argument (esp any based in human physiology), only opinion.

    Prior to the 1960s, many whites married their high school sweethearts and, prior to the Pill, started families soon after.

    Divorce wasn’t a big problem w/whites back then because we had our heads screwed on straight, adults did not go to movies to watch, literally, cartoon characters (Bugs Bunny excepted).

    My opinion: the psychological maturity of the average 18 y.o. of the Greatest Generation was at least that of the average 28  y.o. nowadays….

  • Hirene

    The wrong people have money these days.

  • Periapsis

    There are a lot of men in your situation too. Thanks to the mancession against white men, there’s many white men who have been locked out of marriage and fatherhood forever because they don’t have the means to support a family. Women are not interested in men who have no economic prospects, it’s that simple. Men without economic prospects become members of “ghost armies,” and they are the ones who make up gangs, and  extremist and revolutionary movements of all kinds if they are not sent off to be killed in wars. Older men who finally get into a position where they can father children have other problems, aside from the fact that when his kids grow up he will quite likely  be dead and burried. Such children are at greater risk of schizophrenia and other geneticly induced problems. So it’s not just women who have a limited shelf life when it comes to procreation. Many men are not looking for the woman every other man is also looking at, they want a woman who will stick with him, and be a good wife and mother. Character and personality makes a woman much more than just looks.

  • Kurt Plummer

    HAT,

    >>
    This is hideous, another attempt to cheapen Whiteness by turning us into designer products like cars. May God Himself overturn this evil.
    >>

    The Good:  Women are completely out of the picture.  Which may do to them what Greenspan did to the engineering professions: drastically lowering their ‘street value’ as a function of enduring the pain of childbirth and the commitment of early life care to give their husbands a future.  At an -enormous- price in subsequent divorce proceedings.

    This may convince a few to actively make themselves available ‘at reduced price’ (more affection, less plotting) as they realize the realities of genetically white birth from a brown woman whose looks may not effect the child.

    The Bad:  Diseases, particularly those of the blood, could readily jump populations this way.  While the notion of a black/asian/hispanic couple ordering up a white baby must also be considered.  As recently as the 1970s, Indian girls lived in ‘dormitory’ environments where they were sexualized by a chosen partner within their age range (-very- young) before being handed around amongst brothers and uncles in an explicitly prepubescent incest condition.  Masturbation of these children also begins very young as a way to make the girls ‘sleep well’ and the boys ‘more manly’.

    http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/06a1_incest.html

    Now, add to this the reality of a self-induced nightmare of female murder as both infants and adults (generating a shortcoming in gender balanced available partners) and the general lust for white features as social position among -all- the brown races (Indian marital magazines specifically advertise: ‘no dark skinned need apply…’).

    And ask yourself: How long before one of those ‘reductions’ is taken to term to become someone’s sex puppet or worse, breeding stock.

    We -need- exogenic genomics for the simple reason that we can not only enhance what is beautiful, here at home, but _control it_.

    You would not want to live in a world where everyone is so abhorrently interbred that a blonde was no longer Nordic in terms of guarantees of IQ and generational assurances that her childrens children would not suddenly begin to have throw back issues.

    And that is what the proof of white desireability will ultimately come down to.  Selling _who_ we are, so that others can desecrate  it with -what- they are.  Their racial improvement becoming our destruction.

  • Kurt Plummer

    HAT,

    >>
    This is hideous, another attempt to cheapen Whiteness by turning us into designer products like cars. May God Himself overturn this evil.
    >>

    The Good:  Women are completely out of the picture.  Which may do to them what Greenspan did to the engineering professions: drastically lowering their ‘street value’ as a function of enduring the pain of childbirth and the commitment of early life care to give their husbands a future.  At an -enormous- price in subsequent divorce proceedings.

    This may convince a few to actively make themselves available ‘at reduced price’ (more affection, less plotting) as they realize the realities of genetically white birth from a brown woman whose looks may not effect the child.

    The Bad:  Diseases, particularly those of the blood, could readily jump populations this way.  While the notion of a black/asian/hispanic couple ordering up a white baby must also be considered.  As recently as the 1970s, Indian girls lived in ‘dormitory’ environments where they were sexualized by a chosen partner within their age range (-very- young) before being handed around amongst brothers and uncles in an explicitly prepubescent incest condition.  Masturbation of these children also begins very young as a way to make the girls ‘sleep well’ and the boys ‘more manly’.

    http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/06a1_incest.html

    Now, add to this the reality of a self-induced nightmare of female murder as both infants and adults (generating a shortcoming in gender balanced available partners) and the general lust for white features as social position among -all- the brown races (Indian marital magazines specifically advertise: ‘no dark skinned need apply…’).

    And ask yourself: How long before one of those ‘reductions’ is taken to term to become someone’s sex puppet or worse, breeding stock.

    We -need- exogenic genomics for the simple reason that we can not only enhance what is beautiful, here at home, but _control it_.

    You would not want to live in a world where everyone is so abhorrently interbred that a blonde was no longer Nordic in terms of guarantees of IQ and generational assurances that her childrens children would not suddenly begin to have throw back issues.

    And that is what the proof of white desireability will ultimately come down to.  Selling _who_ we are, so that others can desecrate  it with -what- they are.  Their racial improvement becoming our destruction.

  • Kurt Plummer

    IQ has variables (older moms = smarter kids, older dads = dumber ones) but generationally, the skew is downwards towards the population mean rather than sustaining, except in small, highly inbred, groups.

    This means that whatever longsequence haplotypical trait has to be fixed to be reliably present is instead being randomized out of the epigenetic rotation.

    Attempting to ‘breed smart’ unless you are willing to go the Ashkenazi/Parsi route, will therefore remain a waste of time until we -actively- seek the means to elevate our IQ through extensive genomic studies that track the alleles.  And can cut and splice or activate them, on demand, through a controlled developmental process.

    That said, pulchritude and drive are likely their own heritable traits and as far back as Terman’s Termites, it was found that high IQ -normalized with other traits- in ‘certain classes’ of people.  The combination of which gave them good social adjustment and leveraged lifestyles to the tune of thousands of professional class achievements (no presidents but plenty of scientists, authors, collegiate level professors etc.  Few criminals.).

    And all of this happened way back in the 1920s when the ‘evil’ blue eyed blondes of California were a majority population group.

    Something which nobody wants to acknowledge now that every company that has a survival instinct is leaving the People’s Socialist Republic Of Mexifornia as fast as they can push, pull or drag themselves out.

  • Kurt Plummer

    IQ has variables (older moms = smarter kids, older dads = dumber ones) but generationally, the skew is downwards towards the population mean rather than sustaining, except in small, highly inbred, groups.

    This means that whatever longsequence haplotypical trait has to be fixed to be reliably present is instead being randomized out of the epigenetic rotation.

    Attempting to ‘breed smart’ unless you are willing to go the Ashkenazi/Parsi route, will therefore remain a waste of time until we -actively- seek the means to elevate our IQ through extensive genomic studies that track the alleles.  And can cut and splice or activate them, on demand, through a controlled developmental process.

    That said, pulchritude and drive are likely their own heritable traits and as far back as Terman’s Termites, it was found that high IQ -normalized with other traits- in ‘certain classes’ of people.  The combination of which gave them good social adjustment and leveraged lifestyles to the tune of thousands of professional class achievements (no presidents but plenty of scientists, authors, collegiate level professors etc.  Few criminals.).

    And all of this happened way back in the 1920s when the ‘evil’ blue eyed blondes of California were a majority population group.

    Something which nobody wants to acknowledge now that every company that has a survival instinct is leaving the People’s Socialist Republic Of Mexifornia as fast as they can push, pull or drag themselves out.

  • Kurt Plummer

    >>
    The whole process should be stream lined, perfected and made less expensive. What have you got against having more intelligent, good looking people in the world?
    >>

    The key paragraph is that which focuses on ‘loose to non existent regulation, years away’.  Because that means that any contractual loophole will be exploited.  Which means, to get your white kid because some white not-a-mom is not interested in spoiling her figure, career or social life, you may be selling a bunch of -other offspring of yours- into eternal sex slavery to non-whites looking to ‘improve the race’.

    How this will play out is in the burying but not extinguishment of those ‘not good looking’ genes you talk about.  So that, as the white donais becomes less prolific through each succeeding generation, there is a good chance than a lighter skinned Indian whose granddad ‘bought his whiteness’ from the same clinic you did, will throw back to a dark skinned, 84 IQ, norm.

    If he does it -after- pulling a Valentino trick in marrying your grand daughter, it will be too late to pull back from the ‘Oh, aren’t they so cute!’ (not) aftermath of lending them our genes in this generation.

    Hybrid slump happens.  Especially when the minority gene imprint is one of fashion as much as sense (i.e. is not immediately and exclusively bred back to itself, as with say the Parsi).

    This is just another attempt to get past native aversion to race mixing from the other side of the coin.  If you can’t make dark attractive.  Make it whiter.

    To which I would add that whites aren’t so special anymore.  A 100 IQ, even one which scales upwards, generation after generation, is simply a middle class legacy population which has nowhere to go in a post-industrial ‘info age’ of selling ideas to the highest bidder with the cheapest automan/slave assembly plants.

    If you want to save whites from extinction, we need to not only be more numerous than current demography points at.  But also -vastly- smarter.  In the baseline 120-125 IQ range.  Because Malthus (as resource depletion and ‘sharing’ with ROW population groups that breed like rats) is catching up with us.  And it takes a -smart- man, not just a sensible one, to see through the political smoke screens of today’s exploitationist propaganda.

  • Kurt Plummer

    AK,

    A womb that has been used once will not produce as healthy and good looking a kid the next time around.  It has literally been stretched and deformed once too often and the delicate, plastic, featurs of a developing fetus’ bones will not be held suspended quite so well, the next time.

    This is why first sons or daughters are often the best looking of a family.

    OTOH, the Indian woman is not contributing anything to your descendants’ beauty beyond managed healthcare which you could supply (fatty acids etc.) yourself.

    To do that (i.e. to ensure your quality genes get the ‘kicker’ which makes them especially heritable) you need to -modify- what you have.

    This can be done through good breeding on a semi-random basis of phenotype mapping of eligible donors.  Or it can be done through active genomic intervention.
    Ugly can produce beautiful wiithin two generations, simply by aligning certain symmetries in facial features, BMI and biochemistry.

    The latter is how we gain control over our lives as our futures.  Because when all women are beautiful with the biometric parameters, symmetries and associated metabolisms that define sexual attractiveness, then there will be another arms race between the genders to start defining more genuinely positive traits like compassion and intelligence.

    If there is one thing you should keep in mind it is that older women often bear children which are 2-3 points smarter than younger women.  It is thought because their oxytocin levels are more stabilized and less stress driven by monthly cycles (the HAR F-1 epigen is also involved here as ‘Lamarck and giraffes made real’).

    And that little extra bit of IQ can really be a game changer.  East Asians have it and are taking us out of the marketplace in high income fields like finance and engineering.

    But pulchritude is so very important to women that I will not lie to you by saying that these are anything but secondary considerations, at the moment.

    ‘A man achieves sexual attractiveness through power.  A woman achieves power through sexual attractiveness.’

    And your’s accumulates as it ebbs: faster than ours.  Which means the expectation is always going to be ‘the generation after’ in terms of defining the ability and expectations of wealthy older men, buying into the female cohorts that are a decade or more younger than their own.

    And thereby destroying the white social normative balance even more as that generation of young males is, in turn, deprived (with resulting TFRs being lower, among other things).

    ALL of which could change with exogenic (artificial womb) genomics (high strength hormone and genetic therapies without killing the mother).  As we could size population groups and breed smarter than random eugenics could ever manage on it’s own.

    But we have to see it and want it to achieve it.  And watching the other races chase whiteness could be a part of this.

  • You’re comparing apples to oranges.  You were born from a WHITE womb.

    As for your ‘waking up’, that probably only happened because you found out non-whites were being given opportunities that you yourself were denied simply because you’re White.

    Or perhaps it was because of the Double Standard.  Non-whites can call you whatever they want, on and off the job and all without consequence but can you do that to them without consequence?  You can’t even talk about facts about them without it costing you something.