Obama’s Zimmerman Problem

Pat Buchanan, World Net Daily, April 12, 2012

God save me from my friends; I can take care of my enemies.

That thought must be coursing through the mind of President Obama right now as his White House rigs for silent running in the murder trial of George Zimmerman.

Obama foolishly inserted himself into this volatile case weeks ago, and injected the issue of race. Expressing empathy with the family of Trayvon Martin, Obama flashed a signal of racial solidarity:

“If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.”

Obama also implied that he shares the liberal perspective that America is a country where black kids must walk in daily fear of white racist vigilantes.

“All of us have to do some soul-searching to figure out how does something like this happen. And that means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened, as well as the specifics of the incident.”

Translation: The death of Trayvon tells us something is wrong with America.

To most Americans, this is a slander against their country, refuted by the statistics on interracial crime. Obama, however, buys into it.

Angela Corey, the special prosecutor, says that the charge against Zimmerman of second-degree murder was based on evidence and not influenced by the weeks of demonstrations, demands and threats from black leaders.

Perhaps. But from what the public knows, a charge of second-degree murder, which carries a sentence of 25 years to life, does not seem to stand up.

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A cop at the scene said Zimmerman had a bloody nose and a gash on the back of his head. Zimmerman’s family says Trayvon banged George’s head on the sidewalk. Film of Zimmerman entering the police station that night shows bruising on the back of his head.

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Zimmerman’s family says Trayvon started the fight with a fist to the nose, and George went down. Trayvon is not here to tell his story. But a natural question arises:

Why would Zimmerman, with a holstered gun to protect himself, close in and start a fistfight with a teenager half a head taller? A grown man with a gun his adversary does not know he has—would he not more likely stand some distance away, to pull it out if needed?

The prosecutors must have discovered new evidence to indict for murder. For all of the testimony from Zimmerman’s side and the eyewitnesses seems to create more than a reasonable doubt that he committed a murder.

Where is Obama’s political problem?

With the election on, the case has begun to divide the nation along racial lines. And Obama’s allies are doing it. It is Jesse Jackson and the Black Caucus crying that Trayvon was “hunted down like a rabid dog in the street,” that he was “murdered and martyred,” that it was a “hate crime.”

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Trayvon is the victim here, but George Zimmerman is beginning to look like a victim—of lynch law and mob rule.

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Is this how justice is advanced in Obama’s America?

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Given their huge emotional investment in this case, how will black leaders and black America react if Zimmerman walks?

And how will the rest of America react to that reaction?

And if Zimmerman, Trayvon, race, guns and stand-your-ground become voting issues this fall, how good is that for Barack Obama?

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  • Consider the prosecution  may have intentionally over charged to place conviction out of reach while placating the lynch mob.

  • This could easily be the perfect opportunity for the Republicans to make bank on the White working class, by showing it as a clear double standard, and win Pennsylvania and Ohio, but of course they’re too stupid and busy chasing ‘the Hispanic vote.’

    • redshirts

      RACISM REARS ITS UGLY HEAD WHEN SOMETHING UGLIER SHOWS UP FIRST. As bad as racism is, Diversity is worse.

      The best case for White America will be an acquittal that will send the afrovoodoos into a raging, shrieking jungle bongo party that burns down Orlando and Disney World in mid October.

      Let the Obama campaign do some soul searching and watch Romney win. Romney needs Treyvon more than Obama, even though the GOP is too inclusive to use the gift they’ve been handed. Maybe a hard right super pac will get the job done that the McCain surrender monkeys won’t.

      “All of us have to do some soul-searching to figure out how does something like this happen. And that means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened, as well as the specifics of the incident.” -Obama re the murdered innocent child of whom “If I had a son, he’d look like Treyvon.”

      Well, I did some soul-searching, and it didn’t take much to realize that the laws and the context and specifics tell me that if I had a son, he’d look like Christopher Newsome.

      Just a little more soul-searching, and I reached horror at just what it means to be White in America today and not one of Eric Holder’s “my people.”

      “Blacks are very aggressive and they feel empowered with one of their own as president and Eric Holder as Attorney General. But what we see now is nothing compared to what we can expect in the future when violence against Whites will go unprosecuted, not just ignored by the media.”

      -Dr. Kevin MacDonald, Occidental Dissent, 2012

      The Talk, Part I-

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si6P_hwRf18

      The Talk, Part II-

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-6L_hT3QtQ

      • Mainstreaming_Diversity

        We prefer the “take your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape” to David Lane’s 14 Words. Lane expressed an ideal, but Charleston Heston’s 10 Words of Whiteness are a call to action, and easier to remember, and express Freedom from the Diversity Curse more succinctly.

        10W = 1088

  • Rational_Liberal

    As usual, a very cogent analysis by Pat Buchanan, but I am not willing to concede, as Pat does, that Trayvon was a victim.

    • Rocky Bass

       I could go there, but in a larger meta-physical since, IE “Saint Trayvon”tm was a “victim” of the race hustlers having sold him on the idea of “gettin whitey”.

  • No

    QUOTE:  Obama foolishly inserted himself into this volatile case weeks ago, and injected the issue of race.
    …………………………………………

    No.  It wasn’t “foolish.”  It’s only foolish when you think like a rational human being.  Buchanan is so 1980s he might as well be a Betamax VCR.

    Obama had the white part of his brain surgically removed as a teenager by the communist Frank Marshall Davis.  He understands blacks and he thinks black.

    Remember OJ?  Did you read the recent poll Mr Buchanan?  91% of blacks think Zimmerman murdered the Skittle Boy in cold blood.  They’re disappointed because he didn’t go down for First Degree.

    Obama was being smart by playing to the black mob.  He understands the Oompa-Loompas even if Buchanan does not.

  • MekongDelta69

    Zimmerman is a dead man walking…

    The gov’t. will do anything they can to placate blacks and keep them from flash mobbing and rioting this summer. But it won’t matter anyway, because they’re still going to flash mob and riot.

    I mean, c’mon – it’s the summer – what else is an oppressed minority going to do with their time? Something constructive???

  • Hirschibold

    I just saw the recent pictures of Zimmerman on the news. Apparently I think I figured out where that “white Hispanic” has been hiding for the last few weeks: in a tanning booth, because man does he look dark for a “white-Hispanic.” 

  • libertarian4339

    According to Dershowitz who read the indictment, the charge is but a sham by a prosecutor who is no more than a political hack.

    That she prayed with the family of Martin, and told them, in effect, Martin was a victim,  appears to support the allegations of political grandstanding, in this case in order to appease the black mobs who Sharpton threatened to take to the next level if Zimmerman wasn’t arrested. 

     Of course the “next level” meant burning down their neighborhoods, which is their usual procedure to show whitey they mean business, seemingly too dense too understand they’re doing more hurt to themselves than whitey. 

    If this unsightly, unscrupulous woman has more evidence to justify her charge of 2nd degree murder, I would be surprised, because I’m pretty sure Zimmerman’s account of the incident is truthful.

    And I don’t see why the stand-your-ground law is even mentioned, because ordinary self-defense laws apply in this case.

    I hope Zimmerman doesn’t cut any kind of plea deal with these unscrupulous Florida prosecutors just in order to get the situation behind him and to appease the black mobs, because it would amount to an injustice that should never, ever have happen in this country.

    It’s unbelievable that every black that has an opinion on this has swallowed the lie that this Martin perp wasn’t casing houses, but walking while black when he was set upon by the watchman and shot, because he was black.

    I meam, it’s unbelievable if it involved only whites.  But since we know that it is common knowledge among the black population that whites introduced aids and drugs in black neighborhoods to wipe them out, afterwhich the white government blew up the levees in N.O. to do the same,  right along with using racist terms like a “black hole in space” and naming white cake Angel Food and black cake Devil’s Food…which is believed to be purposeful racist terms…it’s perfectly understandable that blacks would scream hysterically for the head of what is probably an innocent man, because they wanted to believe he was a racist.

    Appeasing these black racists will only make them more demanding.  

    • xxxtonygunsxxx

       this woman appears to possess  negroid features

  • If I had a home invader, he’d look like Trayvon.

    • MekongDelta69

      🙂 🙂 🙂

      God, I needed a laugh…

    • Rocky Bass

       Bingo! Have had a couple and yes they looked JUST LIKE “Saint Trayvon”tm

  • Eagle_Eyed

    It will be a jury trial.  In the state of Flordia, if Casey Anthony can get off, I’m sure Zimmerman might as well.

    • Impertinent

      No matter what else you can say about Casey Anthony…she was definitely eye candy for the male jurors…..not so with poor dog faced Zimmerman.

    • RickRaff

      In order to get a conviction the prosecution will have to make their case.  They didn’t come close to making a case for Casey Anthony and it will be even harder to do so for George Zimmerman—I hope.

  • xxxtonygunsxxx

    i have read that the mayors of some cities have been issuing warnings to white people not to walk openly using a device such as an ipod or blackberry, iphone  etc because blacks are attacking people for them

  • xxxtonygunsxxx

    ALL NEGRO MALE MOB IN HOODIES LOOTS NORDSTRUM PORTLAND OR 3 HOURS AGO
     http://www.katu.com/news/local/Teen-flash-mob-strikes-again—-this-time-at-Nordstom-147414585.html

  • MikeofAges

    Sometime I think I must be the smartest guy in the world, or whatever, but I think I’ve finally figured this thing out.

    Let’s first suppose that Martin, as alleged, attacked Zimmerman after Zimmerman broke off verbal contact and retreated. Now, if Martin’s attack on Zimmerman had resulted in a severe injury to Zimmerman, or his death, the contentions being made by Zimmerman’s accusers might be a basis for a defense for Martin. That is to say, the defense would argue that Zimmerman acted in an inappropriate manner in following Martin and generally left Martin so frightened and alarmed that, in his immature state of mind, he either thought he was responding to an actual immediate threat or simply lost his judgement entirely. As a defense for a minor who has attacked an adult, this might work to the extent that he might be allowed to face a juvenile charge only or, if charged as an adult, might be allowed to plead guilty to a lesser charge. If Martin had disarmed Zimmerman and used the gun on him, he would have been charged with the maximum, I am sure.

    The problem for the prosecution is that the fact that Zimmerman successfully defended himself against Martin does not mean that the Martin defense scenario can simply be turned upside down. It doesn’t work that way because the argument that Martin was acting under the concept of imperfect self defense does not turn Zimmerman’s actions into an actual physical assault against Martin, which leaves Zimmerman the right to defend himself.

    Myself, I don’t think that Martin was even out of his mind or that he believed that Zimmerman represented a danger to him. I think he just wanted to show the guy. But that is something we will never know.

    Maybe the facts are not what Zimmerman alleges. I think they are, more or less. But whatever they are, they will come out in a court of law. The medical report and ballistics will tell us a lot.

  • Rocky Bass

    But he “was such a goot boy.”  -If I had a dime…
    Most Americans, I am betting know, it’s the “Son’s of Obama” that are committing astronomical amounts of crime in our land.  
    This “talk on race” Obama and Holder say to want to have, is just more of the same old lecturing whites about our yappy little poodle, whilst totally ignoring their pack of pit-bulls tearing our legs off.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Just when you think you’ve reached your breaking point, seen and heard everything and have reached “Travon/Zimmerman” saturation, we have  TA-DA:

     Zimmerman in Skittles!!

    (enjoy)

    Bon

  • xxxtonygunsxxx

    Officers arrived and spoke with Nordstrom employees. They said the
    employees reported a group of about 10 males in the store. The teens
    reportedly began taking items, putting the items into bags. Members of
    the group then ran out the southwest doors of the store towards
    Northeast 9th Avenue.

    Officers checking the area said they
    recovered some of the stolen clothing. However, they did not locate the
    suspects. The suspects are described as male African Americans, ages 13
    to 19 years old, all wearing hats and hoodies with their faces covered.

    Employees at the Lloyd Center Mall are frustrated.

    “I don’t understand why people have to steal, come in and make our lives harder,” said mall-worker Justina Leeauer.

    • xxxtonygunsxxx

        The suspects are described as male African Americans, ages 13
      to 19 years old, all wearing hats and hoodies with their faces covered.
      BUT DON’T PROFILE  YOU WHITE HONKIE!!!
      travoun mau in

  • MikeofAges

     I don’t know about Ford and McCain, not for sure. But I am very sure Dole lost because he got less votes. Dole also was the victim contrived polling date showing him trailing by margins well into the double digits. He lost by eight points in the popular vote.

  • haroldcrews

    What if race-realists, white nationalists and traditional conservatives pooled their resources and formed a media corporation that could on a professional and daily/hourly basis put out programming speaking to some ugly facts and the corporation had the resources to market its programming so that pretty much all whites would find out about it and have to deal with it by attempting to refute it or by accepting it as truth?  What is preventing this from happening?

    • better_times

      So be the leader.  Leadership comes before funding.

  • haroldcrews

    Zimmerman was on his way to the store when he spotted Martin.  He wasn’t ‘patrolling’ for neighborhood watch.  Additionally what if you get a response from the police as happened down in Alabama that they don’t mess with the Outlaws.  The Outlaws are a black bike gang.  One of its members stabbed a white man for no apparent reason.

    • Dave4088

      I think the black biker club in Alabama is called something else, but definitely not the Outlaws.

      The Outlaws are an entirely white motorcycle gang and second only to the Hells Angels in patched members.  
      The Outlaws don’t take kindly to anyone outside the club pretending to
      be one of them or using their name, so if a black club has appropriated
      that name they better grow eyes in back of their heads.  Seriously.

  • haroldcrews

    Would the lynch mob have been satisfied with a lesser charge?

  • Strider73

     As a matter of fact, what is stand-your-ground if not self defense?

    SYG (and its home-based version, the Castle Doctrine) are two important changes  to the traditional self-defense laws: 1) they remove the “duty to retreat” which had given thugs virtually free rein, and 2) they provide civil as well as criminal immunity to victims who use deadly force. #2 is what ticks blacks off the worst, as it shuts them out of the “ghetto lottery” by barring the thug (or his family, if he is killed) from suing the intended victim.

  • Impertinent

    Good God….do you think you can break your huge tome into readable paragraphs? Give us all a break for trying to read your response. Do it…..repost it. Damn….what’s wrong with you?

  • better_times

    Used to be called “mugging money.”

  • Impertinent

    “They’re simply too brainwashed.”

    You give them way too much credit….and average IQ of 75 isn’t much brain power to me. Just about enough IQ to walk around in loose shoes and know when to take a dump. Look…they can’t even figure out how to ties those Air Jordans or wear a baseball cap properly! They’re all as backwards as the cap!

    It’s a few thousand years of messed up DNA that propels the negro. Pure animal instincts are wired into their circuits. Not intelligent assessment of fact…just reactions to certain visible stimuli….like the love of bling bling while their kids starve…or 26″ wheels on a 30 year old Chevy.

    Like Lou Reed said..”And the colored girls go doo do doo do doo do do doo.” while eyeballing “Travon or Dionte” in his gangster ride.

    Mothers at 15…grandmothers at 30…great grandmothers at 45.

  • loyalwhitebriton

    Let’s play ‘What if ?’ :

    Current situation: George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin, so Zimmerman is portrayed as a “White” man by a politically correct media obsessed with “racism”.

    But, WHAT IF it was George Zimmerman who had been shot and killed, by a WHITE man?.

    Why suddenly, Zimmerman would be ‘Hispanic’, and there would be a media circus about “racism”.

    “Heads I win, Tails you lose” comes to mind.

     

  • Mainstreaming_Diversity

    Does anyone have an opinon on the Kel Tec .380?   Fits in a pocket; comes out nice and smooth.

  • Mainstreaming_Diversity

    She’s under public pressure to run for guv’nah.  As Fla. becomes more enriched by Diversity, the GOP there will morph into the Dems, and she can run on either ticket and win.

    “As bad as lynching was, Diversity is worse.”

    -Gray Ghost of Shiloh

  • razorrare

    Reread generalquagmeyer & fritz previous post..this is actually a response motivated by their comment on this article..

    Joe Horn shooting controversy
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Joe Horn shooting controversy refers to the events of November 14, 2007, in Pasadena, Texas, United States, when local resident Joe Horn shot and killed two men burglarizing his neighbor’s home. Publicized recordings of Horn’s exchange with emergency dispatch indicate that he was asked repeatedly not to interfere with the burglary because the police would soon be on hand.[1] The shootings have resulted in debate regarding self-defense, Castle Doctrine laws, and Texas laws relating to use of deadly force to prevent or stop property crimes. The illegal alien status of the burglars has been highlighted because of the U.S. border controversy.[2] On June 30, 2008, Joe Horn was cleared by a grand jury in the Pasadena shootings. Joe Horn, 61, spotted two burglars breaking into his next-door neighbor’s home in Pasadena, Texas. He called 9-1-1 to summon police to the scene. While on the phone with emergency dispatch, Horn stated that he had the right to use deadly force to defend property, referring to a law (Texas Penal Code §§ 9.41, 9.42, and 9.43) which justified the use of deadly force to protect Horn’s home. Horn exited his home with his shotgun, while the 9-1-1 operator tried to dissuade him from that action. On the 9-1-1 tape, he is heard confronting the suspects, saying, “Move, and you’re dead”,[3] immediately followed by the sound of a shotgun blast, followed by two more.[4] Following the shootings Mr. Horn told the 9-1-1 operator, “They came in the front yard with me, man, I had no choice!” [5]Police initially identified the dead men in Horn’s yard as 38-year-old Miguel Antonio DeJesus and Diego Ortiz, 30, both currently resident in Houston and of Afro Latino descent. However, DeJesus was actually an alias of an individual named Hernando Riascos Torres.[3] Torres and Ortiz were carrying a sack with cash and jewelry taken from the home next door to Joe Horn. Both were criminals from Colombia who had been convicted on drug trafficking charges.[1] Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz. Torres had three identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico, and the Dominican Republic, and had been previously sent to prison for dealing cocaine. Torres had been deported in 1999.[6]A plain clothes police detective responding to the 9-1-1 call arrived at the scene before the shooting, and witnessed the escalation and shootings while remaining in his car.[3] His report on the incident indicated that the men who were killed “received gunfire from the rear”.[1] Police Capt. A.H. Corbett stated the two men ignored Mr. Horn’s order to freeze and that one of the suspects ran towards Joe Horn before angling away from Horn toward the street when the suspect was shot in the back. The medical examiner’s report could not specify whether they were shot in the back due to the ballistics of the shotgun wound.[7] Pasadena police confirmed that the two men were shot after they ventured into Horn’s front yard. The detective did not arrest Horn.The incident touched off protests, led by Quanell X, leader of the Houston chapter of the New Black Panther Party (NBPP) that were met by counter-protests from Horn’s neighbors and other supporters, with the NBPP protesters rapidly leaving.[8][9][10][11][edit] 9-1-1 call transcriptOne vital piece of evidence were segments of Mr. Horn’s 9-1-1 calls which could have possibly incriminated Mr. Horn or shown his innocence. The most scrutinized segment is presented below:Joe Horn: “I’ve got a shotgun; do you want me to stop them?”The Pasadena emergency operator responded: “Nope. Don’t do that. Ain’t no property worth shooting somebody over, O.K.?”Mr. Horn said: “But hurry up, man. Catch these guys will you? Cause, I ain’t going to let them go.”Mr. Horn then said he would get his shotgun.The operator said, “No, no.” But Mr. Horn said: “I can’t take a chance of getting killed over this, O.K.? I’m going to shoot.”The operator told him not to go out with a gun because officers would be arriving.“O.K.,” Mr. Horn said. “But I have a right to protect myself too, sir,” adding, “The laws have been changed in this country since September the first, and you know it.”The operator said, “You’re going to get yourself shot.” But Mr. Horn replied, “You want to make a bet? I’m going to kill them.”Moments later he said, “Well here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I’m going.”Then he said: “Move, you’re dead.”There were two quick gunshots, then a third.“I had no choice,” Mr. Horn said when he got back on the line with the dispatcher. “They came in the front yard with me, man.”The 9-1-1 call ended about 80 seconds after the shots were fired, when officers arrived on the scene. [1][edit] Joe HornJoe Horn is a native Houstonian who took an early retirement from AT&T in 1998. Later that year he moved in with his daughter, Rhonda, and her husband in Kentucky. After his daughter was widowed in 1998 the remainder of the family moved to Houston and Horn went back to work so his daughter could take care of the children. When Rhonda re-married, she and her husband purchased a home and asked Mr. Horn to move in. In 2003 he accepted and moved in once more.An only child, Horn graduated from Sam Houston High School in 1964. He went to work as a 7-Eleven store clerk immediately after high school. Two years afterwards, he started work in the communications industry, eventually working his way up to a computer program manager for AT&T before retiring in 2003.He was proficient with guns because of hunting, which he lost interest in years before the shooting.[12][edit] Death threatA death threat was made anonymously to the district attorney in which the following was said: “Don’t worry about my name. But what you better do, you better indict Joe Horn, and you better find him guilty. Because if you don’t, somebody is gonna kill him on the outside, and if he goes to prison he’s gonna get killed on the inside. It’s as simple as that. They waiting on him in prison, and we’re waiting on him on the outside. We gonna kill that mother fucker. Bye.”[13][14][edit] Grand juryOn June 30, 2008 a Harris County grand jury cleared Mr. Horn by issuing a no-bill after two weeks of testimony.[15][edit] Reaction to no billQuanell X said he is meeting with civil attorneys to discuss the next legal move. He said he planned to lobby lawmakers to change the Castle Doctrine, which he believes is racially motivated.[16] He went on to say, “This was a wild and out-of-control Western-thinking, gun-toting man who saw the opportunity to be judge, jury and executioner, and Harris County let him get away with it. But we’re not going to let him get away with it.”[16]Joseph Gutheinz, a Houston attorney and member of the National Republican Lawyers Association, said: “I wonder if Joe Horn were black if he would be free tonight or in the Harris County Jail.” Speaking on the Harris County Grand Jury system, Gutheinz said: “It’s a sea of white faces that doesn’t look anything like the county.”[17][edit] National reactionsThe Glenn Beck Program has conditionally taken up Horn’s defense, but allowed that “property isn’t worth killing over.”[18][dead link]

  • razorrare

    Reread generalquagmeyer & fritz previous post..this is actually a response motivated by their comment on this article..

    Joe Horn shooting controversy
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Joe Horn shooting controversy refers to the events of November 14, 2007, in Pasadena, Texas, United States, when local resident Joe Horn shot and killed two men burglarizing his neighbor’s home. Publicized recordings of Horn’s exchange with emergency dispatch indicate that he was asked repeatedly not to interfere with the burglary because the police would soon be on hand.[1] The shootings have resulted in debate regarding self-defense, Castle Doctrine laws, and Texas laws relating to use of deadly force to prevent or stop property crimes. The illegal alien status of the burglars has been highlighted because of the U.S. border controversy.[2] On June 30, 2008, Joe Horn was cleared by a grand jury in the Pasadena shootings. Joe Horn, 61, spotted two burglars breaking into his next-door neighbor’s home in Pasadena, Texas. He called 9-1-1 to summon police to the scene. While on the phone with emergency dispatch, Horn stated that he had the right to use deadly force to defend property, referring to a law (Texas Penal Code §§ 9.41, 9.42, and 9.43) which justified the use of deadly force to protect Horn’s home. Horn exited his home with his shotgun, while the 9-1-1 operator tried to dissuade him from that action. On the 9-1-1 tape, he is heard confronting the suspects, saying, “Move, and you’re dead”,[3] immediately followed by the sound of a shotgun blast, followed by two more.[4] Following the shootings Mr. Horn told the 9-1-1 operator, “They came in the front yard with me, man, I had no choice!” [5]Police initially identified the dead men in Horn’s yard as 38-year-old Miguel Antonio DeJesus and Diego Ortiz, 30, both currently resident in Houston and of Afro Latino descent. However, DeJesus was actually an alias of an individual named Hernando Riascos Torres.[3] Torres and Ortiz were carrying a sack with cash and jewelry taken from the home next door to Joe Horn. Both were criminals from Colombia who had been convicted on drug trafficking charges.[1] Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz. Torres had three identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico, and the Dominican Republic, and had been previously sent to prison for dealing cocaine. Torres had been deported in 1999.[6]A plain clothes police detective responding to the 9-1-1 call arrived at the scene before the shooting, and witnessed the escalation and shootings while remaining in his car.[3] His report on the incident indicated that the men who were killed “received gunfire from the rear”.[1] Police Capt. A.H. Corbett stated the two men ignored Mr. Horn’s order to freeze and that one of the suspects ran towards Joe Horn before angling away from Horn toward the street when the suspect was shot in the back. The medical examiner’s report could not specify whether they were shot in the back due to the ballistics of the shotgun wound.[7] Pasadena police confirmed that the two men were shot after they ventured into Horn’s front yard. The detective did not arrest Horn.The incident touched off protests, led by Quanell X, leader of the Houston chapter of the New Black Panther Party (NBPP) that were met by counter-protests from Horn’s neighbors and other supporters, with the NBPP protesters rapidly leaving.[8][9][10][11][edit] 9-1-1 call transcriptOne vital piece of evidence were segments of Mr. Horn’s 9-1-1 calls which could have possibly incriminated Mr. Horn or shown his innocence. The most scrutinized segment is presented below:Joe Horn: “I’ve got a shotgun; do you want me to stop them?”The Pasadena emergency operator responded: “Nope. Don’t do that. Ain’t no property worth shooting somebody over, O.K.?”Mr. Horn said: “But hurry up, man. Catch these guys will you? Cause, I ain’t going to let them go.”Mr. Horn then said he would get his shotgun.The operator said, “No, no.” But Mr. Horn said: “I can’t take a chance of getting killed over this, O.K.? I’m going to shoot.”The operator told him not to go out with a gun because officers would be arriving.“O.K.,” Mr. Horn said. “But I have a right to protect myself too, sir,” adding, “The laws have been changed in this country since September the first, and you know it.”The operator said, “You’re going to get yourself shot.” But Mr. Horn replied, “You want to make a bet? I’m going to kill them.”Moments later he said, “Well here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I’m going.”Then he said: “Move, you’re dead.”There were two quick gunshots, then a third.“I had no choice,” Mr. Horn said when he got back on the line with the dispatcher. “They came in the front yard with me, man.”The 9-1-1 call ended about 80 seconds after the shots were fired, when officers arrived on the scene. [1][edit] Joe HornJoe Horn is a native Houstonian who took an early retirement from AT&T in 1998. Later that year he moved in with his daughter, Rhonda, and her husband in Kentucky. After his daughter was widowed in 1998 the remainder of the family moved to Houston and Horn went back to work so his daughter could take care of the children. When Rhonda re-married, she and her husband purchased a home and asked Mr. Horn to move in. In 2003 he accepted and moved in once more.An only child, Horn graduated from Sam Houston High School in 1964. He went to work as a 7-Eleven store clerk immediately after high school. Two years afterwards, he started work in the communications industry, eventually working his way up to a computer program manager for AT&T before retiring in 2003.He was proficient with guns because of hunting, which he lost interest in years before the shooting.[12][edit] Death threatA death threat was made anonymously to the district attorney in which the following was said: “Don’t worry about my name. But what you better do, you better indict Joe Horn, and you better find him guilty. Because if you don’t, somebody is gonna kill him on the outside, and if he goes to prison he’s gonna get killed on the inside. It’s as simple as that. They waiting on him in prison, and we’re waiting on him on the outside. We gonna kill that mother fucker. Bye.”[13][14][edit] Grand juryOn June 30, 2008 a Harris County grand jury cleared Mr. Horn by issuing a no-bill after two weeks of testimony.[15][edit] Reaction to no billQuanell X said he is meeting with civil attorneys to discuss the next legal move. He said he planned to lobby lawmakers to change the Castle Doctrine, which he believes is racially motivated.[16] He went on to say, “This was a wild and out-of-control Western-thinking, gun-toting man who saw the opportunity to be judge, jury and executioner, and Harris County let him get away with it. But we’re not going to let him get away with it.”[16]Joseph Gutheinz, a Houston attorney and member of the National Republican Lawyers Association, said: “I wonder if Joe Horn were black if he would be free tonight or in the Harris County Jail.” Speaking on the Harris County Grand Jury system, Gutheinz said: “It’s a sea of white faces that doesn’t look anything like the county.”[17][edit] National reactionsThe Glenn Beck Program has conditionally taken up Horn’s defense, but allowed that “property isn’t worth killing over.”[18][dead link]

  • razorrare

    Reread generalquagmeyer & fritz previous post..this is actually a response motivated by their comment on this article..

    Joe Horn shooting controversy
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Joe Horn shooting controversy refers to the events of November 14, 2007, in Pasadena, Texas, United States, when local resident Joe Horn shot and killed two men burglarizing his neighbor’s home. Publicized recordings of Horn’s exchange with emergency dispatch indicate that he was asked repeatedly not to interfere with the burglary because the police would soon be on hand.[1] The shootings have resulted in debate regarding self-defense, Castle Doctrine laws, and Texas laws relating to use of deadly force to prevent or stop property crimes. The illegal alien status of the burglars has been highlighted because of the U.S. border controversy.[2] On June 30, 2008, Joe Horn was cleared by a grand jury in the Pasadena shootings. Joe Horn, 61, spotted two burglars breaking into his next-door neighbor’s home in Pasadena, Texas. He called 9-1-1 to summon police to the scene. While on the phone with emergency dispatch, Horn stated that he had the right to use deadly force to defend property, referring to a law (Texas Penal Code §§ 9.41, 9.42, and 9.43) which justified the use of deadly force to protect Horn’s home. Horn exited his home with his shotgun, while the 9-1-1 operator tried to dissuade him from that action. On the 9-1-1 tape, he is heard confronting the suspects, saying, “Move, and you’re dead”,[3] immediately followed by the sound of a shotgun blast, followed by two more.[4] Following the shootings Mr. Horn told the 9-1-1 operator, “They came in the front yard with me, man, I had no choice!” [5]Police initially identified the dead men in Horn’s yard as 38-year-old Miguel Antonio DeJesus and Diego Ortiz, 30, both currently resident in Houston and of Afro Latino descent. However, DeJesus was actually an alias of an individual named Hernando Riascos Torres.[3] Torres and Ortiz were carrying a sack with cash and jewelry taken from the home next door to Joe Horn. Both were criminals from Colombia who had been convicted on drug trafficking charges.[1] Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz. Torres had three identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico, and the Dominican Republic, and had been previously sent to prison for dealing cocaine. Torres had been deported in 1999.[6]A plain clothes police detective responding to the 9-1-1 call arrived at the scene before the shooting, and witnessed the escalation and shootings while remaining in his car.[3] His report on the incident indicated that the men who were killed “received gunfire from the rear”.[1] Police Capt. A.H. Corbett stated the two men ignored Mr. Horn’s order to freeze and that one of the suspects ran towards Joe Horn before angling away from Horn toward the street when the suspect was shot in the back. The medical examiner’s report could not specify whether they were shot in the back due to the ballistics of the shotgun wound.[7] Pasadena police confirmed that the two men were shot after they ventured into Horn’s front yard. The detective did not arrest Horn.The incident touched off protests, led by Quanell X, leader of the Houston chapter of the New Black Panther Party (NBPP) that were met by counter-protests from Horn’s neighbors and other supporters, with the NBPP protesters rapidly leaving.[8][9][10][11][edit] 9-1-1 call transcriptOne vital piece of evidence were segments of Mr. Horn’s 9-1-1 calls which could have possibly incriminated Mr. Horn or shown his innocence. The most scrutinized segment is presented below:Joe Horn: “I’ve got a shotgun; do you want me to stop them?”The Pasadena emergency operator responded: “Nope. Don’t do that. Ain’t no property worth shooting somebody over, O.K.?”Mr. Horn said: “But hurry up, man. Catch these guys will you? Cause, I ain’t going to let them go.”Mr. Horn then said he would get his shotgun.The operator said, “No, no.” But Mr. Horn said: “I can’t take a chance of getting killed over this, O.K.? I’m going to shoot.”The operator told him not to go out with a gun because officers would be arriving.“O.K.,” Mr. Horn said. “But I have a right to protect myself too, sir,” adding, “The laws have been changed in this country since September the first, and you know it.”The operator said, “You’re going to get yourself shot.” But Mr. Horn replied, “You want to make a bet? I’m going to kill them.”Moments later he said, “Well here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I’m going.”Then he said: “Move, you’re dead.”There were two quick gunshots, then a third.“I had no choice,” Mr. Horn said when he got back on the line with the dispatcher. “They came in the front yard with me, man.”The 9-1-1 call ended about 80 seconds after the shots were fired, when officers arrived on the scene. [1][edit] Joe HornJoe Horn is a native Houstonian who took an early retirement from AT&T in 1998. Later that year he moved in with his daughter, Rhonda, and her husband in Kentucky. After his daughter was widowed in 1998 the remainder of the family moved to Houston and Horn went back to work so his daughter could take care of the children. When Rhonda re-married, she and her husband purchased a home and asked Mr. Horn to move in. In 2003 he accepted and moved in once more.An only child, Horn graduated from Sam Houston High School in 1964. He went to work as a 7-Eleven store clerk immediately after high school. Two years afterwards, he started work in the communications industry, eventually working his way up to a computer program manager for AT&T before retiring in 2003.He was proficient with guns because of hunting, which he lost interest in years before the shooting.[12][edit] Death threatA death threat was made anonymously to the district attorney in which the following was said: “Don’t worry about my name. But what you better do, you better indict Joe Horn, and you better find him guilty. Because if you don’t, somebody is gonna kill him on the outside, and if he goes to prison he’s gonna get killed on the inside. It’s as simple as that. They waiting on him in prison, and we’re waiting on him on the outside. We gonna kill that mother fucker. Bye.”[13][14][edit] Grand juryOn June 30, 2008 a Harris County grand jury cleared Mr. Horn by issuing a no-bill after two weeks of testimony.[15][edit] Reaction to no billQuanell X said he is meeting with civil attorneys to discuss the next legal move. He said he planned to lobby lawmakers to change the Castle Doctrine, which he believes is racially motivated.[16] He went on to say, “This was a wild and out-of-control Western-thinking, gun-toting man who saw the opportunity to be judge, jury and executioner, and Harris County let him get away with it. But we’re not going to let him get away with it.”[16]Joseph Gutheinz, a Houston attorney and member of the National Republican Lawyers Association, said: “I wonder if Joe Horn were black if he would be free tonight or in the Harris County Jail.” Speaking on the Harris County Grand Jury system, Gutheinz said: “It’s a sea of white faces that doesn’t look anything like the county.”[17][edit] National reactionsThe Glenn Beck Program has conditionally taken up Horn’s defense, but allowed that “property isn’t worth killing over.”[18][dead link]

  • razorrare

    Simply put Joe Horn name in Amren search window..

    Cheers & Jeers for Man in Slayings of Burglary Suspects..

    Do i need to tell you who was Cheering and Who was Jeering?..

    http://amren.com/oldnews/archives/2007/11/cheers_jeers_fo.php

  • razorrare

    Simply put Joe Horn name in Amren search window..

    Cheers & Jeers for Man in Slayings of Burglary Suspects..

    Do i need to tell you who was Cheering and Who was Jeering?..

    http://amren.com/oldnews/archives/2007/11/cheers_jeers_fo.php

  • razorrare

    Simply put Joe Horn name in Amren search window..

    Cheers & Jeers for Man in Slayings of Burglary Suspects..

    Do i need to tell you who was Cheering and Who was Jeering?..

    http://amren.com/oldnews/archives/2007/11/cheers_jeers_fo.php

  • Dave4088

    Don’t expect the black community to coolly and dispassionately weigh the facts of the case before reaching a verdict.  The majority of blacks aren’t constituted in such a way such that such clear headed thinking would even be possible.  Passion and emotion rule the day and if black demagogues like Sharpton, Farrakhan, Jackson, et.al., tell them that this was an unprovoked,  racially motivated killing that was covered up by those no-good, hillbilly cops, then blacky will fall into line.  Any facts that contradict the narrative constructed by said black demagogues will simply be dismissed as racist lies, and white supremacism.

    Dialogue with the black community will never be possible as it consists only of blacks pointing their accusatory fingers and voicing their endless list of gripes and grievances.  Whites and white politicians have been apologizing and acceding to black demands since 1965 and that has served only to further embolden and radicalize the blacks as they sense a wounded and helpless animal in the white race. 

    The only winning strategy is for whites to adopt a countervailing racial radicalism and to begin stripping blacks of all the power and privileges they’ve amassed (at our expense) the last 40+ years.  And any black on white violent crimes should invite a collective response from whites.  Of course, contemporary whites are so liberal and individualistic that my prescription is just a pipe dream at the moment.  

  • Impertinent

    If the black leadership were to preach a more balanced message of both monitoring race-based discrimination while addressing more vigorously endemic pathologies in the inner cities (such as illegitimacy, absentee fatherhood, drug use, crime, violence, misogyny, and anti-intellectualism), most racism would eventually disappear—as black crime rates, graduation rates, or illegitimacy rates matched those of the general public.
    The phenomenal success of Asians, Punjabis, Armenians, Arabs, Latin Americans, and other supposedly non Anglo-Saxon groups is proof that the majority culture holds no one back on the basis of skin color.

    And so race relations have gotten only worse—as Barack Obama and Eric Holder well know. They do not seem to care or feel there is advantage to be had in the new polarity.